1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Speaking of sports, what are we making of Jason Holland 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: stepping down from the All Blacks after the Northern to 3 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: a second high profile exit under the Robertson rain Leo 4 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: McDonald of course after three tests left and anyway, former 5 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: All Black Justin Marshall back with this morning to you 6 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: and a good. 7 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: Morning to you, Mike. Nice to be back chatting to. 8 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: You and very nice of you to say so. Jason Holland, 9 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: is this a scandal or just a bloke who's moving on? 10 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 2: Oh? I think it's a bloke that's moving on. Like obviously, 11 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: in terms of continuity for the All Blacks, that's not great. 12 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: Like Jason looks after set piece attack and back attack, 13 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: and when you've got a team looking to evolve and 14 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 2: to get better, you want continuity so that the players 15 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: have got the same information and so that the voice 16 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: that they're hearing and the things that they want to 17 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: do and achieve, then they know what they are in for. 18 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: But when you change that personnel and then you have 19 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 2: to find somebody else, because that's an important part of 20 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 2: the game. It is disruptive, is the some of the media. 21 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: You're trying to make this a raise of things raises 22 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: a problem. Everything's a problem around Raser. Is that true 23 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: or not? 24 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: No, I don't feel that that's the case. Obviously, Jason 25 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: has his reasons for moving on, and those reasons could 26 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 2: be the fact that he's not happy with the workload 27 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 2: or he wants to move on to other things. I 28 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: certainly feel that what you need when you need a 29 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: good when you get a coaching group, you need good balance. 30 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: Look what happened to En Foster. At the end of 31 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: the day, he got rid of coaches, didn't he and 32 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 2: then he had a very successful Rugby World Cup campaign. 33 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: Now there's more to the All Blacks than Rugby World Cups, 34 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 2: and I'm very much on that page. But you have 35 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 2: to find that balance where everybody's got good synergy, you 36 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 2: all work together and the common denominator is you're winning 37 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: every test match for the All Blacks. And perhaps Jason 38 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 2: Holland been involved from his perspective, and like Leon McDonald said, 39 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: I don't quite feel that it's working. And the best 40 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 2: thing for the All Blacks is me moving on and 41 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: looking at where I can be a better coach. 42 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: Have we got a rich talent pool of replacements? 43 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: Look, I don't know that we've got the greatest steps 44 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: that we used to have. I certainly feel that there's 45 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: a great a great amount of coaches coming through and 46 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: what has been a really entertaining positive good be NPC campaign, 47 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: But taking that next step is a big step. And 48 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: obviously we've not seen a lot of those guys come 49 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 2: through Super Rugby yet, and Jamie Joseph has now gone 50 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: on to that All Blacks fifty. Those people, however, a 51 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: lot of them are ambitious and want to be head coaches, 52 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 2: non assistant coaches. But there are plenty of players out there. 53 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 2: Look look at what Jamie's got. He's got the likes 54 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: of Corey, Jane and people like that involved. So they 55 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 2: are there and thereabouts. 56 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: While I've got you prediction time in PC Canterbury by 57 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: how many? 58 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: Oh, Mike, you know that you and I know that 59 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 2: Canterbury is going to win this game. It's going to 60 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 2: be tough. But are Targo going with the better form? 61 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 2: But I feel that the Canterbury factor in christ Church 62 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: they'll get the job done in a real close game. 63 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: Internationally, if we're going to lose one of the four 64 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: I see at Ireland in Chicago, but I say four 65 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: of four what do you say? 66 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,839 Speaker 2: I say four or four? The first one is really 67 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: important that we get away to a good start. And 68 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: then obviously history against Scotland, we don't want that as 69 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: a negative. I've never ever beaten us, so that should 70 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: motivate New All Blacks. To me, England's the Neglie one. 71 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 2: As long as we win too and they go going 72 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: to England with momentum, we can get all four. 73 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: Final question for a Friday, Justin Marshall. When you go 74 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: to your spin class, are people intimidated by you being 75 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: next to them? 76 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 2: I tell you what, Mike, I usually walk my head 77 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: down or a hoodie on. I get onto my bike 78 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: and get my job done. I'm not what I used 79 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: to be, buddy, but at least I'm still putting it 80 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: out there again. 81 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: Yes, well that is true. All right, we'll have a 82 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 1: good class. Appreciate it very much. Justin Marshall's got a 83 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: seven thirty. There For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, 84 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: listen live to news Talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, 85 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.