1
00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,080
Speaker 1: And Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors, with me Hi Thomas,

2
00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,080
Speaker 1: Good afternoon. Right, so we've got the inquiry into Tom Phillips.

3
00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,120
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, we do so announced a general inquiry

4
00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:14,800
Speaker 2: into the government's actions during that that that led to

5
00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,720
Speaker 2: the Tom Phillips sort of situation. Some thing's excluded specific

6
00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,639
Speaker 2: decisions at the family Court, but it's quite a wide

7
00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,720
Speaker 2: ranging inquiry into into the decisions of various government agencies

8
00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,120
Speaker 2: during that period, and it ends basically at the time

9
00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,160
Speaker 2: that the children were found and taken back into stake here.

10
00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,839
Speaker 1: Okay, obviously, and I'm not going to ask you to

11
00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,960
Speaker 1: comments on it, but the obvious problem here is that

12
00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,440
Speaker 1: there is there is suppression on very key elements of this,

13
00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,120
Speaker 1: which means that it's going to limit, isn't it what

14
00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,320
Speaker 1: they can talk about publicly? And it's probably the reason

15
00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,360
Speaker 1: why it's private rather than publicly out.

16
00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,440
Speaker 2: Yes, precisely, Yes, it is a It is an incredibly

17
00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,640
Speaker 2: complicated inquiry and obviously there are some real questions to

18
00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,920
Speaker 2: be asked and answered here, because there's clearly some mistakes

19
00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,720
Speaker 2: were made at a point along the way. But obviously,

20
00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,400
Speaker 2: given given the massive sensitive is around what happened. The

21
00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,319
Speaker 2: government is sort of limited and where it can go

22
00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:09,720
Speaker 2: and what it can do at this stage.

23
00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,040
Speaker 1: Now, it doesn't it sound like Labour loves having Michael

24
00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:13,640
Speaker 1: Wood back.

25
00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,640
Speaker 2: This, yes, well, and that's that's a very various dute observation.

26
00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,400
Speaker 2: And I guess to that you'd have to say, well,

27
00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,440
Speaker 2: which part of Labor is not happy about having Michael

28
00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,760
Speaker 2: Wood back? I think there is. Obviously, the Chrisipkins kind

29
00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,240
Speaker 2: of project is quite a centerius project. He's obviously been

30
00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,000
Speaker 2: pulled aweey it to the left and opposition agreeing to

31
00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,000
Speaker 2: this capital gains tax. But Michael Woods beloved of the

32
00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,120
Speaker 2: party's left. He is beloved of the parties of a

33
00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,399
Speaker 2: progressive wing and is a bit of a standard bearer

34
00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,840
Speaker 2: for that that part of the party. And and so

35
00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,800
Speaker 2: that part of the party is very excited to have

36
00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:51,160
Speaker 2: Michael Wood back. And in Chris Hopkins pre interview, sorry

37
00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,400
Speaker 2: pre conference interviews, they've just got this conference this weekend,

38
00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,720
Speaker 2: he told the Post, and he actually told the Heralds

39
00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:00,360
Speaker 2: as well, that that that Michael Wood is gonna have

40
00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,960
Speaker 2: to sort of, you know, win back some trust in

41
00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:08,120
Speaker 2: order to elevate himself within the Labor Party and into

42
00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,640
Speaker 2: a potential labor cabinet should it win the election.

43
00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:12,799
Speaker 1: What is the trust that he's breached?

44
00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:19,320
Speaker 2: Well, I suppose it it relates to the circumstances of

45
00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,840
Speaker 2: his opposite the Shares and Grace the Shares, And I mean,

46
00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,560
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not sure about you, but personally, I

47
00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,200
Speaker 2: think he's probably probably served his time on that one.

48
00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:34,240
Speaker 2: Like it was definitely embarrassing and definitely a total screw up,

49
00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,000
Speaker 2: but obviously he got what he had to resign, he

50
00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,080
Speaker 2: lost the seat, He's served his time on the bench,

51
00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,280
Speaker 2: and I probably think it's that's probably the punishment fitting

52
00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:44,760
Speaker 2: the crime. Yep.

53
00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,880
Speaker 1: I look, I would agree with you is do do

54
00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,120
Speaker 1: you think he still harbor his aspirations to be the leader?

55
00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,120
Speaker 1: And is that probably part of the reason maybe why

56
00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,760
Speaker 1: Chip he's not super keen on it.

57
00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,960
Speaker 2: I would say that most in peace, I think, contemplate

58
00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,160
Speaker 2: a circumstance which would see them as the lead of

59
00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,280
Speaker 2: their party and perhaps the prime minister. Yeah, and I

60
00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,440
Speaker 2: think Michael would have certainly one of them. And certainly,

61
00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,200
Speaker 2: you know, he's an ambitious guy who's decided to give

62
00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,600
Speaker 2: politics another cracks, So you know that sort of speaks

63
00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:10,359
Speaker 2: for itself.

64
00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,840
Speaker 1: Now I suppose so. Hey, thank you very much, Thomas.

65
00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,160
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor.

66
00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,239
Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplassy Allen Drive, listen live to

67
00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,360
Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow

68
00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,200
Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio