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Speaker 2: So we have been talking about protests outside of Foreign

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Speaker 2: Minister Winston Peters Auckland's home, banging drums, waving Palestinian flans

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Speaker 2: and demanding action over New Zealanders involved in the Gaza

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Speaker 2: Aid flow tiller. So it was noisy, emotional and highly visible.

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Speaker 2: The police were called, noise control showed up. The names

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Speaker 2: of the activists were written in chalk on the footpath.

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Speaker 2: But Winston Peters himself has called that particular style of

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Speaker 2: protest disgraceful and that private home should be off limits.

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Speaker 2: Minister Winston Peters, very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, thank you for joining us in. Minister, can

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Speaker 3: you describe the protests that occurred outside your house?

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Speaker 4: Well, there's been a whole lot of them, but the

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Speaker 4: latest one turns up with usual noise, last in the

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Speaker 4: whole street, waging everybody up in the neighborhood and the

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Speaker 4: dolls and the cats and all the animals, and generally

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Speaker 4: breaking the law because we haven't noise abatement laws in

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Speaker 4: this country and they prest all those are the.

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Speaker 3: Laws that we've got sufficient to stop this kind of behavior,

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Speaker 3: or do you support a new law that's been proposed

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Speaker 3: by justin Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith.

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Speaker 4: Well, I support the new law because there's some vagueness

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Speaker 4: about the application of the old law. And when you

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Speaker 4: insist that the noise abatement rules be followed so that

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Speaker 4: blocks away they won't be able to hear this protest,

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Speaker 4: there have been some vagueness about how it applies, and

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Speaker 4: so clarity is the name of the game. Everyone is

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Speaker 4: in total to their peace and their neighborhood. And if

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Speaker 4: you want to protest, it's preciousful protest, but it isn't

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Speaker 4: outside of people's homes. Sometimes those protests have happened when

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Speaker 4: they're not even home. It's only that neighborhood that's taking

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Speaker 4: the pain and bearing the bunt of it all.

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Speaker 2: You yourself, minister, have been you know, supportive of the

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Speaker 2: idea of protesting for a long time in your career

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Speaker 2: of various different issues. What's the egregious part of being

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Speaker 2: outside apologists private home? Is it the fact that sometimes

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Speaker 2: children and other family members are targeted with these actions.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's an anophol reason. So this is first of all,

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Speaker 4: not a public place in this context. One of the

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Speaker 4: marvelest things about our law coming down through the centuries

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Speaker 4: is the right to peaceful occupation of your home, and

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Speaker 4: someone breaking the laws with loudspeigers or three louds figures

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Speaker 4: outside the front door is not abiding by the law.

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Speaker 4: My most important point is the campus places where you

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Speaker 4: can protest. But to think you're going to shout outside,

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Speaker 4: for example, as they did the other night about the

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Speaker 4: three people on the flotilla shouting out bringing them home,

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Speaker 4: when we first of all told them not to come,

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Speaker 4: not to go further. We told them not to go

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Speaker 4: because it ought to be rested last time. And the

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Speaker 4: second thing, we knew that we had pign affairs in

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Speaker 4: Anchor and around the world stepping in to try and

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Speaker 4: help them back, and they'll be coming home. So they

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Speaker 4: were shouting out of guitar. Message has already been dealt with, yes,

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Speaker 4: by Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

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Speaker 3: So would you be able to put up the noise

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Speaker 3: more if the message was less futile in your opinion, Minister, No.

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Speaker 4: Because the neighborhood has no responsibility or obligation to put

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Speaker 4: up with people preaching the law in that way.

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Speaker 3: Now, Minister, you've been around for a while, obviously, do

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Speaker 3: you think things have changed? Is this more prevalent then

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Speaker 3: than it has been in the past, this kind of behavior.

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Speaker 4: Well, it has changed dramatically because you've got these people

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Speaker 4: virtue signaling and they don't give a darn about other

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Speaker 4: people's rights. Now, you know, there's a famous speech bad

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Speaker 4: by an human politician that says, you're right in one

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Speaker 4: edge from the end of my nose. It was a

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Speaker 4: long long time ago when you said that, but it

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Speaker 4: is correct. When you're going to a protest, you've got

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Speaker 4: a rite to and that is a central part of democracy.

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Speaker 4: But there are rules and obligations you've got to follow.

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Speaker 4: You can't example, block roads, stop traffic, particularly when someone

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Speaker 4: may be on an emergency rushing off to hospital to

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Speaker 4: save someone's life. That is unacceptable and that's what my

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Speaker 4: point is. There's got to be rules.

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Speaker 3: So where do you support protests to take place? I mean,

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Speaker 3: we had protests in front of Parliament that were the

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Speaker 3: famous Parliament protests that ended in quite dramatic fashion. Is

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Speaker 3: Parliament the place to protest? Is it public squares? Where

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Speaker 3: where do you support protests?

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Speaker 4: But it would have never been in dramatic fashion. Had

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Speaker 4: not every parliamentarian signed a fact whether then Prime Minister

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Speaker 4: not to talk to them. This is unbelievable that you'd

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Speaker 4: have no one in Parliament then appear to go down

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Speaker 4: and talk to them and hear them out. They would

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Speaker 4: have gone home. It deteriorated rapidly after that.

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Speaker 2: That's my point, Minister, isn't a part of this when

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Speaker 2: you've got actions like these protests undertook and we've had

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Speaker 2: a lot of people come through over the last forty

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Speaker 2: five minutes saying it goes too far proteint seen outside

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Speaker 2: a private person's residence, and then you mentioned blocking the

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Speaker 2: roads and the Auckland Harbor Bridge for example. At the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, this whole message that the protests

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Speaker 2: are trying to get through, isn't it a bit of

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Speaker 2: an own goal because most fear minded New Zealanders can

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Speaker 2: see it goes too far or the interrupt lives of

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Speaker 2: people that have nothing to do with it, so their

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Speaker 2: causes weakened anyway.

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Speaker 4: Well, what you're really saying is they lose any moral

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Speaker 4: high ground they're claiming. There's no morality in what they're

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Speaker 4: claiming in the first place, so they don't ever care

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Speaker 4: about moral high ground. They've come to the view that

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Speaker 4: no matter what the population thinks, no matter what the

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Speaker 4: process thinks, no matter what Parliament thinks, they in a

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Speaker 4: democracy are entitled to have their voice, whether it be

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Speaker 4: one tenth of the rest of the nation's voice heard

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Speaker 4: above all others. This is a type of facism, it's

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Speaker 4: a type of Marxism. It's a type of pictorial behavior

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Speaker 4: which we don't accept.

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Speaker 3: Now, finally, Minister, these three New Zealanders that have been detained,

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Speaker 3: that were on the flotilla, is there any reason for

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Speaker 3: friends and family to be concerned for their safety.

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Speaker 4: No, because we've gone a lot of bubble we always

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Speaker 4: do that. They were not in any way endangered. This

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Speaker 4: was a futile journey where people were saying they're taking

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Speaker 4: aid when their aid had no chance of getting in there.

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Speaker 4: The Italian leader said, look, we've got a military boat.

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Speaker 4: Give us the aid and will to make sure it

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Speaker 4: lands at the right place and it gets to the

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Speaker 4: gas and people. But they weren't interested in getting to

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Speaker 4: the people in Gaza. They were interested in virtue sitting

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Speaker 4: the formative politics and trying to make a point at

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Speaker 4: the enormous cost of the victims in Gaza and at

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Speaker 4: the enormous cost of media space on real issues in

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Speaker 4: our country.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you so much for most.

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Speaker 4: Want to say, how would you guys, how they come

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Speaker 4: outside your front door now and plus at your show

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Speaker 4: so you can't speak to the country.

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Speaker 2: We did talk about that, Minister, and I think Matt

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Speaker 2: and myself both agreed that that's probably too far for

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Speaker 2: They want to come outside the studio more than welcome.

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Speaker 2: But outside of my private home, no, I wouldn't like it.

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Speaker 3: But there's a lot of protections.

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Speaker 4: Here outside of your studio. You're an essential part of

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Speaker 4: the nvacy. It's called a four state Yeah, and there

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Speaker 4: now making sure that you can't operate.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's been a bit of that protesting out the

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Speaker 3: front he has. Yeah, but we're on the we're on

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Speaker 3: the first floor and we're protected by the my costing

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Speaker 3: protocols where there's a lot of lot of doors to

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Speaker 3: swipe through. But yes, some people can protest, as I

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Speaker 3: say on nine two nine two is the text numbered

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Speaker 3: or eight hundred and eighty three and eighty those are

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Speaker 3: perfect lines of protests that they can they can use.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we get a lot of that minister really

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Speaker 2: appreciate you coming on this afternoon. Really nice to chat

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Speaker 2: chats that is for a minister and the leader of

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Speaker 2: the New Zealand First Party of course, Winston Peters. And

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Speaker 2: thoughts and prayers to his pets and neighbors.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely with people yelling and screaming on a street

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Speaker 3: at all ours.

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Speaker 2: Those poor dogs.

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