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Speaker 2: Hell are you going to New Zealand's Welcome to Matt

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Speaker 2: and Tyler Full Show Podcast number two two three. I

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Speaker 2: believe for the sixteenth of October my son's birthday. Happy birthday, Charlie,

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Speaker 2: Happy birthday, sixteenth of October twenty twenty five. Great show today,

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Speaker 2: a lot of wide ranging chat about thrupples, polyamorous behavior.

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Speaker 3: Interesting hour of that one, yep.

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Speaker 2: And also yeah, really really interesting and deep chat about

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Speaker 2: the politics and New Zealand, the history of our leaders

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Speaker 2: with the passing of Jim Bolger. So I think you're

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Speaker 2: going to enjoy the show. I bloody did.

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Speaker 3: Yep, it was a great show. Download, subscribe and give

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Speaker 2: And give a taste a key what you see, Busy

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Speaker 2: to let you go.

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Speaker 3: I love you.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon too. You hope you are having a

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Speaker 3: great Thursday afternoon. Really great to have your company as always.

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Speaker 4: Get a man, get a Tyler, Get a you great

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Speaker 4: New Zealander, whoever you are, where you are listening to

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Speaker 4: our show. We've got three hours of conversation coming up

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Speaker 4: on e one hundred and eighty ten eighty, So have

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Speaker 4: you say.

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Speaker 3: Big show for you today after three o'clock. Monogamy may

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Speaker 3: still be the norm, but more couples than ever are

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Speaker 3: rewriting the relationship rule book, so to speak, and doing

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Speaker 3: it together, from open marriages to polygamy. It's called consensual

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Speaker 3: non monogamy c n M, and it's stepping out of

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Speaker 3: the shadows and into mainstream conversation.

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Speaker 2: Get this.

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Speaker 3: According to a recent study, up to twenty percent of

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Speaker 3: people say they have tried open relationships.

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Speaker 2: Up to twenty percent one on five and eighty five

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Speaker 2: percent of woman claim that that's their key fantasy and

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Speaker 2: ninety three percent of men right someone else into the

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Speaker 2: whole operation. Yeah, very very interesting. Personally, I think it's

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Speaker 2: a terrible lady.

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Speaker 3: Yep, we're going to put that to you after three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Can it ever work? An old open relationship? After two

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Speaker 3: and insure it was entitled to decline a claim for

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Speaker 3: thirty one thousand dollars of items stolen from a car

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Speaker 3: This is from the insurance Ombensman. So the couple came

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Speaker 3: and the obitsmen agreed it wasn't due care.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this will be interesting to hear the things

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Speaker 2: I figured that if you've got insurances in the car,

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Speaker 2: I didn't really know about this whole kind of thing,

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Speaker 2: So I'm interested into that. I mean, they had they

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Speaker 2: you know, the wife said go out and get the stuff.

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Speaker 3: And he went, oh god, no, we''ll been there.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, what do you need to know about the

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Speaker 3: Looking forward to that after talk Klob. But right now,

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Speaker 3: he had been undergoing dialysis several times a day since

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, Ez, one hundred and eighty ten eighty, you

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Speaker 2: I started researching and I was reading up about our

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Speaker 3: He was not a name I've heard before. I've got

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Speaker 2: Julius Fogel was quite some time ago. I've got to say. So,

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Speaker 2: we're going all the way back to when was Julius Vogel.

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Speaker 2: He was eighteen seventy three, right, okay, right, No, so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was eighteen seventy three to eighteen seventy six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so a couple of Voge couple of suburbs named

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Speaker 3: If you want to come through on Julius Vogel by

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Speaker 2: He sounds like an incredible guy the outside of the

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Speaker 3: Who do you think was I'm going to say, Look,

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Speaker 2: It is interesting what you do as a prime minister.

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Speaker 2: You know, do we include in the discussion of who

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Speaker 3: As it was Yeah, he did incredible things after Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You know, you what do you think of Allan cirk

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Speaker 2: and you're always risk ruining your legacy by if you

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Speaker 2: I mean, she did very well at the United Nations,

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Speaker 3: A very different Helen Clark now than and she was,

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Speaker 2: Hugely anti the arts at eden Park. She doesn't want

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Speaker 3: For Allen Clark she used to love the arts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's interesting thing you post your post post

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Speaker 2: political career. What that means for you, Yeah, it plays

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Speaker 3: But keen to hear from you, Oh eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: Jim Bolder was rolled by the ship. Wasn't here in

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Speaker 2: Shipley was the best pro minisut we've ever had.

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Speaker 3: Didn't work out so well, had you know.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, did old Julia's Vogel Vogels bread? I don't

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Speaker 2: It's just the greatest bread.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 3: So we're talking about Jim Bulger, sadly passed away at

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Speaker 3: the age of ninety. But we've asked the question, who,

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Speaker 2: Tyler has put his name with Helen Clark. I have hi, guys,

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Speaker 2: Clark shut down all psychiatric hospitals and left the patients

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say that not everything Helen Clark did

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, as a person that spent a

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Speaker 5: That is dire.

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Speaker 2: Just people that you go, why is this person just

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Speaker 2: walking around with no pants on, offering young people vapes. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you think that maybe they could be in a

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Speaker 3: That's a bad moved from Helen. That was a bad

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Speaker 2: But to be fair that historically there's been some terrible

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, nicely said Oh e one hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 6: Yes, I've been in New Zealand for about fifty years.

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Speaker 6: Excuse me, I suppose going Winston Peters when he becomes

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Speaker 2: That's going to happen. How soon do you think that's

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Speaker 2: do you think he's going to be Prime minister Tony?

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, right, well he's rising in the para.

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Speaker 3: I'll put money on that.

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Speaker 7: I read.

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Speaker 6: I read a book recently on Walter Nash I've never

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Speaker 2: So he was late late fifties, early sixties around that era.

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Speaker 2: Was was he Tony?

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Speaker 6: I think from Catherin it was between the wars?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 6: I read the book and what he did, I just

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Speaker 6: I said, the only one who stands out by a

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Speaker 6: sadly all both all of them. No good, right good?

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Speaker 2: But what qualities? So Warrens was he was nineteen, he

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Speaker 2: was prime minister nineteen fifty seven he became prime minister.

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Speaker 2: So so post war? Yeah, and what do you like

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Speaker 2: about What did you like about Nashi?

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Speaker 6: Well, I just felt that he was looking for They

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Speaker 6: there was none of the moaning and growing in you

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting than Tony Walter Nash got a bit of

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Speaker 2: the late nineteen fifties early ninety sixties in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: would not have gone down. Well that's with a winch

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Speaker 2: because they love to drink back then, Tony.

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Speaker 6: I know, I know, because they had the Friday night

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Speaker 2: Anyway, thank you so much for you call Tony. So

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Speaker 2: that's one for Walton.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just reading. So Stuart Nash was Walter Nash's

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Speaker 3: great grandson.

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Speaker 2: There you go, There you go.

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Speaker 3: Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Maybe, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did anyone ever ask uh? Anyone ever asked Walton

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Speaker 2: Julia's Vogel.

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Speaker 9: Not really, guys, I just you're talking about different locations

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ye, And we.

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Speaker 9: Live we live in a fairly new suburban Tiamaha, yep.

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Speaker 9: And it's called Vogel Place.

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Speaker 2: Vogel Place and Taha.

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Speaker 9: I didn't know. I didn't know any anything about the

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Speaker 2: of vogel Tan's in New Zealand named after him. There's

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Speaker 9: We've been, Hell, we've been. Yeah, suburbs built two.

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Speaker 2: Teens off Stanley Are Was that correct?

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Speaker 9: That's correct?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, memory Matte, you know your geography, know my geography. Hey,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for your call, Warren, and I'm

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's actually quite a few ticks coming through for

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Speaker 3: old Julia's Vogel. We'll get to some of those in

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Speaker 3: a minute. But who knew he was so popular? Janet say,

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Speaker 2: Is thank you very much for that text. Yeah got it.

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Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number

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Speaker 3: to call who for you is our best Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: the hard questions.

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Speaker 1: It's the Mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Do your thoughts this morning on Jim Bolger.

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Speaker 10: Oh look it was I was sweet with Jim Bulger

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Speaker 10: for many years in politics. He was such an interesting mix.

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Speaker 10: He was a conservative Taranaki farmer who had the courage

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Speaker 10: sign the Nahu and Tai Nui settlements. So you, underneath

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Speaker 10: the political maneuvering was a will of steel and some

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Speaker 2: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you, and that's what we're talking about,

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Speaker 3: Jim Bolger, the sad passing, but also who is the

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Speaker 3: best prime minister in your eyes? One hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: And a lot of people hadn't heard of Julius Vogel

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Speaker 2: until today, but so many people are texting and saying

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Speaker 2: they live on Vogel related streets or suburbs. And I

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Speaker 2: just realized I used to live on Vogel Street in

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Speaker 2: Duneda and as a vote, fantastic cafe in Dunedan called

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Speaker 2: Vogel right Vogels. Yeah, people from Dunedin will know. It's

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Speaker 2: I used to live in a bank vault on Vogel

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Speaker 3: Oh good, for very little. Yeah, so far Julius is

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Speaker 3: a hit by a country mile Who would have thought?

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Speaker 3: But can you hear from you?

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Speaker 2: Helen Clark and Rob Muldoon are our two best politicians

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Speaker 2: that became pms. However, says Daryl, our very best PM

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Speaker 2: Ardna is the most hated PM in New Zealand history.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Guess we'll take the negative and the positive. Michael, you've

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Speaker 11: I do, I do.

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Speaker 12: So my mother was Jimbolga's secretary while he was prime minister,

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Speaker 12: So obviously he's my favorite prime minister all the time.

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Speaker 2: What was he like?

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Speaker 12: He was a lovely, lovely man. So every Christmas Eve

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Speaker 12: he said, Michael, your dad always used to have a

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Speaker 12: So I went, I thought, from memory, I think it

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Speaker 12: I know that's my funny story. But you know, I'm

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Speaker 12: quite sad today to hear of us passing in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you so much, Michael. I mean that's

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Speaker 2: the thing. You know, most of us don't even know

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand specifically specifically, they you know, being a

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Speaker 3: It, No, exactly, And it's a funny thing. I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: ins and outs of Jim Bolger's political career, but from

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Speaker 3: what I've been reading and hearing today, the character of

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Speaker 3: the man and that's probably a big thing when it

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Speaker 3: comes to legacy, right who you are and how you

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Speaker 3: seemed like a really really nice guy.

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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, best p M. Chris Luxen hands down. May

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Speaker 2: the other Chris never get near the seat of power.

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Speaker 2: Cheers from Wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, keep those texts coming in on nine two nine two,

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Speaker 3: but also keen to hear from you on eight hundred

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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: John Key and his rockstar economy and getting us through

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Speaker 2: the two thousand and eight global recession where she never retired.

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Speaker 2: That's from MAXI j Thank you very much. MAKESI.

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Speaker 3: We've got one spere line. Oh, eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighties the number to call. Headlines coming up.

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Speaker 13: Jus talks it'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis.

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Speaker 14: It's no trouble with a blue bubble. The governments released

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Speaker 14: our first national climate adaptation framework, including plans for a

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Speaker 14: national flood map. The four pillar plan includes sixteen actions,

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Speaker 14: including responsibilities, risks and investment and resilience. An issue with

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Speaker 14: YouTube appears to be affecting users worldwide. Down Detector reports

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Speaker 14: thousands of Kiwis have been getting an era message when

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Speaker 14: they click on videos. Every dollar from the Dunedin premiere

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Speaker 14: of the Pike River film is going into the local

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Speaker 14: Playhouse Theatre's refurbishment fund. It has a two million dollar

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Speaker 14: fund raising target. The Maritime Union says the government should

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Speaker 14: reject a Swiss shipping company's exemption bid so it can

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Speaker 14: switch to using its Panamanian service to domestically transport cement.

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Speaker 14: The union says it would let the company by pass

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Speaker 14: New Zealand crew protections. Two friends separated by less than

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Speaker 14: thirty votes as four council seats go to the wire.

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Speaker 14: You can find out more at ZID Herald Premium. Now

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Speaker 14: back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lane. So I've asked the

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Speaker 3: question who is the best prime minister in New Zealand?

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Speaker 3: For you? It is on the back of the sad

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Speaker 3: passing of Jim Bolger, the Prime Minister of New Zealand

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Speaker 3: and nineteen ninety for the National Party. Of course, Oh,

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. The text here at nine two

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Speaker 2: nine two is very different from the polls. So many

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Speaker 2: people testing through and saying Chris Luxen is the best

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Speaker 2: prime minister. We've ever had.

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Speaker 3: He's getting a few votes.

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Speaker 2: Chris Luxen is under a He reset our country and

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Speaker 2: will set us right for the future, says Chris Nice

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Speaker 2: Pete Longie, how.

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Speaker 15: Are you doing that?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, I've always had a bit of a sub

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Speaker 16: spot for Locky. I mean, I didn't agree with everything

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Speaker 16: he did, but at the same time, when he came

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Speaker 16: into Parent eighty four, our country's books were in a

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Speaker 16: terrible state. It was so bad the embassy staff were

478
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Speaker 16: being asked how much they could draw down on their

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Speaker 16: credit cards to keep the embassies open.

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Speaker 17: Wow, overseas it was that bad.

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Speaker 16: We were such a closed economy, and under him we

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Speaker 16: opened up. We raised our profile internationally with the debate

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Speaker 16: in Oxford. He really had a personality to match us

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Speaker 16: his waist size.

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Speaker 18: But yeah, yes.

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Speaker 16: History has a little too kindly on him. I think

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Speaker 16: to certain extent he's sort of ushered And you know

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Speaker 16: Roger Douglass and Roger nomics, which a lot of people

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Speaker 16: tend to look down on these days, but I think

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Speaker 16: he's been given the short shifts somewhere online.

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Speaker 2: I listened to this incredible podcast called Juggernaut recently, and

492
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Speaker 2: it was all about that that time, and you know

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Speaker 2: the election, that eighty four election with Rob Muldoon, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: when they got in there, Pete, You're absolutely right that

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Speaker 2: the box were just terrible. Muldoon had just been basically

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Speaker 2: buying the butter and stockpiling it because you know, the

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Speaker 2: UK had joined the EU and there was no one.

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Speaker 2: All we did was sell stuff to the UK and

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Speaker 2: so we were very wealthy country, but we only had

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Speaker 2: one trading partner pretty much, the UK and Australia. So

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Speaker 2: when they got in there. But it is interesting because

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Speaker 2: he was such a good talker and such a powerful

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Speaker 2: presence with the media, but when you actually look into

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Speaker 2: what he was like behind the scenes, he didn't really

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Speaker 2: seem to like confrontation confrontation. So I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Roger Nomics guys, I think they were surprised how

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Speaker 2: much they could push past David long In. A lot

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Speaker 2: of what went through wasn't really in keeping his views

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Speaker 2: of the world, would you agree, peat.

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Speaker 16: Well, I said there was a bit of that, but

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Speaker 16: he was certainly a pregmatist, and I think that's that's

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Speaker 16: something you get in a good prime minister, someone who

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Speaker 16: can see the other side, someone who can look outside

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Speaker 16: their own belief system. But that particular part of you know,

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Speaker 16: the Labor Party sensory also gave first to act, so you.

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Speaker 3: Know, yeah, well Preble was a big part of it,

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Speaker 3: wasn't it That push against and working with Roger Douglas

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Speaker 3: to put those those policies through.

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Speaker 2: But and I think it's hard to remember, for I

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Speaker 2: don't think people know how little we weren't on the map.

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Speaker 2: You know, at that point, we just weren't on the

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Speaker 2: map at all for anyone. And for David Longey to

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Speaker 2: go to that Oxford debate and make you know, global headlines,

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Speaker 2: even though he pissed off the Americans, what was we

525
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Speaker 2: just were the I think at that time we were

526
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Speaker 2: describing it as ourselves as the little mouse that roared.

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Speaker 2: But since since then people people have heard of us

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Speaker 2: a lot more, had a lot of different things have

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Speaker 2: gone down.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, exactly, But you're right, his charisma was was

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Speaker 3: next level.

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Speaker 2: David LONGI the interesting thing that I found out, and

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Speaker 2: you know, when you when you go through and why

534
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Speaker 2: you know, he got rolled and it all went went

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Speaker 2: and went bad for him. He had terrible health right

536
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Speaker 2: through that, so he was fighting with terrible health and

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Speaker 2: drinking a lot, and yeah, I think the pressure of

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Speaker 2: that job really got to him. But hey, thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for your call. Pete appreciate it. David Longie,

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Speaker 2: few votes coming through for him for the most consequential

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Speaker 2: prime minister of our history.

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Speaker 3: Yep, he's certainly up there. Nine two niney two is

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Speaker 3: the text number. Love to hear your thoughts about who

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Speaker 3: is our best prime minister?

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Speaker 2: David, your thoughts.

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Speaker 19: I was just going to put forward the name of

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Speaker 19: Erica Stanford.

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Speaker 2: And you're looking into the future, then.

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Speaker 19: Yes I am. And the future and or the immediate future.

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Speaker 19: She's a Minister of Education, I think. But she's done

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Speaker 19: an amaze thing that people who are not the parents

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Speaker 19: of primary school aged children might not even be aware

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Speaker 19: of that. Since the beginning of the year she pushed

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Speaker 19: through this great move of reintroducing phonics for teaching kids.

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Speaker 19: And it's going to really change things if labor doesn't

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Speaker 19: get in and stuff it all up or whatever, you know,

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Speaker 19: because the last time we had it in New Zealand,

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Speaker 19: back prior to the seventies and eighties, which is when

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Speaker 19: it just got sort of based out, we were number

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Speaker 19: one in the world, or very close to it. To literacy. Yeah,

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Speaker 19: and that would have been because of phonics or structured

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Speaker 19: learning as they call it. And that's why I think

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Speaker 19: she would get my vote for prime minister. And I

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Speaker 19: just she sounds incredibly capable and yes.

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Speaker 2: She's extremely extremely popular and these recent results of she's

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Speaker 2: looking very good. She's a president, and what she's done

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Speaker 2: in the portfolio she's And now, David, what are your

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Speaker 2: memories of Jim Bulger.

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Speaker 19: Well, I remember him, but I didn't take much notice

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Speaker 19: of him when he was in I took more notice

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Speaker 19: of David's Longie of course, after after that fantastic speech

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Speaker 19: you made at the Oxford Union.

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Speaker 2: Then I can smell the uranium on your bread, David Longing.

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Speaker 2: That's how he used to talk, David Longie.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, that's one of the best I think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, pretty incredible, David, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: I saw Simeon Brown speaking in Parliament, I think it

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Speaker 2: was yesterday, and I you know, sometimes you see people

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Speaker 2: and you go I can totally picture Simeon Brown being

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Speaker 2: our Prime minister one day. He's sort of got that

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Speaker 2: that confidence and that vibe. I think he's only thirty

582
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Speaker 2: four at the stage, so he's got a whiles to go.

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Speaker 2: But there's something about him that feels quite prime ministerial.

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Speaker 3: And he's got a hell of a portfolio at the moment,

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Speaker 3: and he seems to be doing okay.

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Speaker 2: Learn welcome to the show.

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Speaker 20: The Vogel Street in Richmond, christ Church, the aged Year,

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Speaker 20: the eighteen seventies, it runs off them morero but you

589
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Speaker 20: being up nort and you probably wouldn't know where that was.

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Speaker 3: So I just Tylers.

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Speaker 2: Forgot Tylers from christ Church. But he's forgotten so quickly.

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Speaker 2: He's been after a year and he's already just turned

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Speaker 2: his back.

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Speaker 3: On Shame on me. I didn't spend too much time

595
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Speaker 3: in Richmond. It's beautiful in Richmond. Looked at a house

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Speaker 3: in Richmond. Actually, all right, we're out bed at option.

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Speaker 20: The other thing, Arnold nord I bought him the Black Budget.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was, but he was, he was under

599
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Speaker 2: he was the finance minister for Walter National right.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 20: I remember it was a it was a gloomy sort

602
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Speaker 20: of time. I was only a young kids then, but

603
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Speaker 20: I remember my mother and father talking about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean obviously not named the Black Budget by

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Speaker 2: by Walton.

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Speaker 3: She's got some connotations.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, No, Prime Minister I think it's totally serious to

608
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Speaker 20: have just Sender as the most hated prime minister. It

609
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Speaker 20: makes all the people I know they never say they

610
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Speaker 20: hated you know, they're probably hated at but.

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Speaker 17: Not here as a person.

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Speaker 20: I mean, God, the God. It's a bit happens in age,

613
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Speaker 20: isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean there's there's a there's there's there's

615
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that feel personally aggrieved by

616
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Speaker 2: Just but but the personal but personal hatred for her

617
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Speaker 2: seems is a bit over top, isn't it. I think

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Speaker 2: if you call lind so, I was just wing.

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Speaker 5: Well.

620
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Speaker 2: So, why there's so much of the country named after

621
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Speaker 2: Sir Julius Vogel, a Prime minister from nineteen from eighteen

622
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Speaker 2: seventy three to eighteen seventy five.

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad we stumbled across this Julius Vogel because

624
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Speaker 3: he sounds amazing.

625
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Speaker 2: Clearly half the bloody country is named after him.

626
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Speaker 3: If you live on Vogel Street or Vogel ev or

627
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Speaker 3: or Vocal Present, Vogel ten, you've been to Vogel House, Yeah,

628
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Speaker 3: come on through. We want to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: There doesn't seem to be a connection with Vogel's bread

630
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Speaker 2: that I can find, but maybe someone can can look

631
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Speaker 2: into that. But he looms large certainly. Maybe that's because

632
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Speaker 2: Vogel started a lot of and he started borrowing money

633
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Speaker 2: internationally quite early on to build public works in New Zealand.

634
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Speaker 2: So maybe that's why I ended up getting his name

635
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Speaker 2: on a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

637
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Speaker 3: to call, who for you is our best prime Minister?

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Speaker 3: It is seventeen to two, beck very shortly.

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Speaker 2: A lot of positive Erica Stanford stuff coming through and labishing.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls

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Speaker 1: on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news talk.

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Speaker 3: Sa'd be for a good afternoon to you. It's fourteen

643
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Speaker 3: to two. Who is our best prime Minister? In your eyes?

644
00:31:02,133 --> 00:31:04,293
Speaker 3: So eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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00:31:04,333 --> 00:31:06,693
Speaker 3: Plenty of texts coming through A nine to ninety two.

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Speaker 3: This one sorry, just quickly, This one says, oh man,

647
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Speaker 3: it's just a million that have come through Erica Stanford's

648
00:31:16,413 --> 00:31:21,013
Speaker 3: what are people going to say when she does become

649
00:31:21,053 --> 00:31:23,533
Speaker 3: prime minister? She's an impressive lady. So Heap's coming through

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Speaker 3: to Erica Standard.

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00:31:24,533 --> 00:31:28,333
Speaker 2: Hans Closer started Vogel Bread. He survived the Holocaust and

652
00:31:28,333 --> 00:31:30,133
Speaker 2: came out to New Zealand. His first job was working

653
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Speaker 2: for a bread maker in Wellington and was called mister Vogel.

654
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Speaker 2: Once he went out on his own, he named the

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Speaker 2: company after him. Hands then, oh, I see see his

656
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Speaker 2: first job was working for a bread maker in Wellington

657
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Speaker 2: and he was called mister vogue I see once he

658
00:31:44,693 --> 00:31:47,853
Speaker 2: went out. Hans then went on to buying Helton Station

659
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Speaker 2: in the Mackenzie Basin in a kind of high country station,

660
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Speaker 2: and still owns it today. So not not related to

661
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Speaker 2: Julius Vogel, it would say.

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Speaker 3: Still a good man, Julius and great bread Vogels.

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Speaker 2: Great bread, great bread terry. You've got a Jim Boulders story.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, you kind of guys. Hey, look, I was a

665
00:32:06,013 --> 00:32:10,573
Speaker 21: young impressionable cop in the early nineties, ninety one ninety two,

666
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Speaker 21: and being the junior man, you drew the short straw

667
00:32:13,973 --> 00:32:17,453
Speaker 21: to the sort of not so likable jobs, and I

668
00:32:17,533 --> 00:32:20,253
Speaker 21: drew the short straw to be the police guard at

669
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Speaker 21: Premier House, which is you know, the residence of the

670
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Speaker 21: Prime Minister and mister bolder and his family. We're there

671
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Speaker 21: at the time, and I guess I just want to say,

672
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Speaker 21: you know, at his passing, just what a awesome family

673
00:32:33,013 --> 00:32:37,013
Speaker 21: they were. All of the kids were there, you know,

674
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Speaker 21: and they would just come out and want to play

675
00:32:40,093 --> 00:32:42,693
Speaker 21: soccer on the front lawn with me, and it was

676
00:32:42,813 --> 00:32:45,893
Speaker 21: just not sure if I should be, but we played

677
00:32:45,933 --> 00:32:48,773
Speaker 21: soccer and he always greeted me, always shook my hands

678
00:32:48,773 --> 00:32:51,373
Speaker 21: at how are you constable? Yeah, good, thank you. And

679
00:32:51,453 --> 00:32:56,133
Speaker 21: I never forget the time his wife actually bought a

680
00:32:56,133 --> 00:32:59,373
Speaker 21: bag of muscles out to me. They'd been away somewhere

681
00:32:59,413 --> 00:33:02,453
Speaker 21: on holiday maybe and came back and she gave me

682
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Speaker 21: a bag of muscles. You know, I didn't eat muscles,

683
00:33:04,613 --> 00:33:08,053
Speaker 21: but I didn't want to say no thinking so I

684
00:33:08,133 --> 00:33:11,133
Speaker 21: took from Yeah, I took them and gave in to

685
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Speaker 21: my father in law. But it really showed to me

686
00:33:13,813 --> 00:33:17,213
Speaker 21: the character of the family and what they were like.

687
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Speaker 21: And so yeah, I've sort of always kept half an

688
00:33:20,133 --> 00:33:22,813
Speaker 21: eye on him and what he's done in his political career.

689
00:33:22,853 --> 00:33:26,373
Speaker 21: But yeah, sort of a little tinge of sadness hearing

690
00:33:26,413 --> 00:33:28,573
Speaker 21: that he died, because yeah, he was a good man.

691
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Speaker 21: If his family is that way, there's a good man

692
00:33:30,653 --> 00:33:32,453
Speaker 21: and a good moun behind that what.

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Speaker 2: It was like trying to take nine children on holiday

694
00:33:35,333 --> 00:33:37,773
Speaker 2: would be quite something, wouldn't it. I mean, what kind

695
00:33:37,773 --> 00:33:39,013
Speaker 2: of vehicle are you running for that?

696
00:33:39,893 --> 00:33:40,093
Speaker 9: Oh?

697
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Speaker 21: Gosh, yeah, who knows?

698
00:33:41,933 --> 00:33:42,413
Speaker 19: Who knows.

699
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of challenges there. But he sounds like

700
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Speaker 3: a thoroughly decent human being, Terry, And that's what I'm

701
00:33:48,533 --> 00:33:51,133
Speaker 3: reading and seeing. And obviously you met the bloke and

702
00:33:51,173 --> 00:33:53,053
Speaker 3: that that says a lot about a person, right.

703
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Speaker 21: Yeah, he's a good man. Yeah, definitely was a good many.

704
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Speaker 2: Thanks for you cool Terry, Thanks for sharing that.

705
00:33:58,813 --> 00:34:02,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, Aaron, you've got a few thoughts. Yeah, okay, mate,

706
00:34:02,453 --> 00:34:04,053
Speaker 3: you've got a few thoughts on different prime ministers.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

708
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Speaker 22: Well I met Jim Boulder a few years ago, said

709
00:34:08,013 --> 00:34:11,133
Speaker 22: it a with them at an event and this is

710
00:34:11,172 --> 00:34:13,172
Speaker 22: only four or five years ago, and thought what an

711
00:34:13,213 --> 00:34:19,013
Speaker 22: amazing person he was. And the comment I wanted to

712
00:34:19,053 --> 00:34:22,173
Speaker 22: make is that you can't quite judge a prime minister

713
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Speaker 22: in their first couple of years. Bolder came in and

714
00:34:26,133 --> 00:34:29,212
Speaker 22: there was supposedly going to be a ninety million dollar

715
00:34:29,253 --> 00:34:32,933
Speaker 22: surplus and he ended up with a three billion dollar deficit.

716
00:34:33,213 --> 00:34:37,093
Speaker 22: Who thought out and had Ruth Richards to the mother

717
00:34:37,133 --> 00:34:42,253
Speaker 22: of all budgets. Everyone was hating the government from all

718
00:34:42,253 --> 00:34:44,893
Speaker 22: their cuts and you know, all that sort of thing.

719
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Speaker 22: But as time went on, it proved that he was

720
00:34:50,093 --> 00:34:53,373
Speaker 22: capable and had all the right attributes to pull it.

721
00:34:53,333 --> 00:34:53,773
Speaker 12: Off, you know.

722
00:34:53,853 --> 00:34:56,053
Speaker 22: And so same with Helen Clark.

723
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Speaker 11: I think.

724
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Speaker 22: In her first year there was a lot of discontent

725
00:35:01,933 --> 00:35:04,173
Speaker 22: and they caught it the Winter of Discontent, and she

726
00:35:04,413 --> 00:35:08,292
Speaker 22: over time proved to be quite a good prime minister,

727
00:35:08,613 --> 00:35:12,533
Speaker 22: one of one of our best. And so it's been

728
00:35:12,613 --> 00:35:15,293
Speaker 22: through to descend it. You know, two years into her role,

729
00:35:16,493 --> 00:35:22,333
Speaker 22: she handled the christ Church events amazingly and was touring

730
00:35:22,413 --> 00:35:26,692
Speaker 22: and yet maybe a whole week of us now would

731
00:35:26,733 --> 00:35:29,973
Speaker 22: think of the you know what, what was left in

732
00:35:30,053 --> 00:35:33,293
Speaker 22: terms of all the borrowing and the economy being hostile

733
00:35:33,333 --> 00:35:37,613
Speaker 22: passed onto our current government. So the comment I wanted

734
00:35:37,653 --> 00:35:39,613
Speaker 22: to sort of make is it's very hard to judge

735
00:35:39,653 --> 00:35:43,053
Speaker 22: a prime minister in this first one year or two years,

736
00:35:43,493 --> 00:35:46,853
Speaker 22: and possibly that's the case. Is where we're at at

737
00:35:46,853 --> 00:35:49,893
Speaker 22: the moment, the cuts, the cuts and all of the

738
00:35:50,453 --> 00:35:52,853
Speaker 22: all of the negativity around the place, and we've still

739
00:35:52,933 --> 00:35:56,773
Speaker 22: got this long big detox going on as a as A,

740
00:35:56,773 --> 00:35:59,533
Speaker 22: as A country trying to clear out all of all

741
00:35:59,573 --> 00:36:05,933
Speaker 22: of the problems economically and perhaps in time if we

742
00:36:06,013 --> 00:36:09,333
Speaker 22: give it, perhaps the current it would be given a

743
00:36:09,373 --> 00:36:13,933
Speaker 22: little bit more credit for the hospital passies received and

744
00:36:13,933 --> 00:36:16,173
Speaker 22: and trying to pull off something despite not really getting

745
00:36:16,173 --> 00:36:21,053
Speaker 22: a honeymoon, but due to his coalition partners. Would you

746
00:36:21,133 --> 00:36:23,213
Speaker 22: would you would you have the negotiations?

747
00:36:23,413 --> 00:36:26,212
Speaker 2: Would you say that we had pretty would you say

748
00:36:26,213 --> 00:36:33,133
Speaker 2: we had pretty sound economic leadership through Bulger Clerk and

749
00:36:34,013 --> 00:36:35,213
Speaker 2: you know there's there's a bit of a ship in

750
00:36:35,253 --> 00:36:37,733
Speaker 2: the middle of there, but not for long. Yeah, but

751
00:36:37,933 --> 00:36:40,853
Speaker 2: a Bulger Clark and Key that that that sort of

752
00:36:40,933 --> 00:36:44,333
Speaker 2: that period was pretty very long period of stability, wasn't it.

753
00:36:45,133 --> 00:36:51,173
Speaker 22: Well, Yeah, the National nineties financial management was was was

754
00:36:51,213 --> 00:36:54,053
Speaker 22: fairly healthy and then Michael Cullen was a very good

755
00:36:54,093 --> 00:36:55,732
Speaker 22: operator through to Bill English looking.

756
00:36:56,613 --> 00:36:58,813
Speaker 2: Key Saver is a great, great legacy, I would.

757
00:36:58,653 --> 00:37:03,533
Speaker 22: Say, I'd say Key Savers is a fantastic thing. I've

758
00:37:03,533 --> 00:37:06,333
Speaker 22: got eleven staff and they are all saving for their

759
00:37:06,373 --> 00:37:11,733
Speaker 22: future cost me, but it's as well worth their future

760
00:37:12,013 --> 00:37:13,573
Speaker 22: to have it, and I think it's a good initiative.

761
00:37:15,093 --> 00:37:18,093
Speaker 22: As for Grant Robertson, you know, I think you'd have

762
00:37:18,133 --> 00:37:21,693
Speaker 22: to say the wheels have fallen off, particularly post twenty

763
00:37:21,733 --> 00:37:25,773
Speaker 22: twenty borrowing another one hundred and twenty billion, and I

764
00:37:25,813 --> 00:37:28,693
Speaker 22: think it costs something like ten billion a year and

765
00:37:28,973 --> 00:37:33,772
Speaker 22: interest alone just from that additional borrowing. And so yeah,

766
00:37:33,813 --> 00:37:37,493
Speaker 22: we've we've always done well when we've had a personable

767
00:37:37,653 --> 00:37:43,813
Speaker 22: prime minister and then a very capable finance minister. Whether

768
00:37:44,373 --> 00:37:47,653
Speaker 22: whether the media is giving that an opportunity at the moment,

769
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Speaker 22: I don't know, but yeah, I think I think you've

770
00:37:52,133 --> 00:37:54,333
Speaker 22: got to give time and you've got to give credit

771
00:37:54,773 --> 00:37:57,493
Speaker 22: over the long haul and not Dodge twot two sent Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think if you call Aaron very well thought through

773
00:37:59,693 --> 00:38:01,773
Speaker 2: a lot of truth in that I was wrong. I've

774
00:38:01,813 --> 00:38:05,373
Speaker 2: done that thing where I've said Paristan North when I

775
00:38:05,413 --> 00:38:07,533
Speaker 2: went new plumbers are right. One of those things that

776
00:38:07,573 --> 00:38:10,573
Speaker 2: people always do. Yeah, So it's Vogel Town is a

777
00:38:10,613 --> 00:38:12,773
Speaker 2: New Plymouth, not Pariston North. Sorry, there is also one

778
00:38:12,773 --> 00:38:13,733
Speaker 2: in Wellington.

779
00:38:13,373 --> 00:38:15,373
Speaker 3: Mere Copper there. It is seven to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams.

782
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Speaker 1: Afternoons news talks'd.

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Speaker 3: Be news talks it'd be we're going to carry this

784
00:38:27,253 --> 00:38:30,533
Speaker 3: on after two o'clock because so many calls and texts

785
00:38:30,533 --> 00:38:31,453
Speaker 3: are coming through.

786
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Speaker 2: But if you text before we get to the news,

787
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Speaker 2: can you please put the Prime Minister Christopher Luxon as

788
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Speaker 2: the best we have because he's working for the people,

789
00:38:40,173 --> 00:38:42,493
Speaker 2: to help the people. He even talks to the media

790
00:38:42,533 --> 00:38:45,173
Speaker 2: who show him no respect, including YouTube by referring to

791
00:38:45,773 --> 00:38:49,333
Speaker 2: him just as Luxon. Please gentlemine, show the New Zealand

792
00:38:49,333 --> 00:38:52,613
Speaker 2: how to respect our leader regards Paul all right. I

793
00:38:52,693 --> 00:38:56,613
Speaker 2: don't think it's a Spersian. I don't think that Christopher

794
00:38:56,653 --> 00:38:58,733
Speaker 2: Luxon would care about being referred to as Luxon.

795
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Speaker 3: No, I don't think he might.

796
00:39:00,093 --> 00:39:01,613
Speaker 2: I've talked to him a bit in the time yep

797
00:39:01,693 --> 00:39:04,812
Speaker 2: in my time. He's a nice guy and I don't

798
00:39:04,853 --> 00:39:07,133
Speaker 2: think he would give a ratsass about being referred to

799
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Speaker 2: as Luxin's.

800
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Speaker 3: And we'll put them on the list of potentials there

801
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Speaker 3: text to thank you very much.

802
00:39:11,013 --> 00:39:13,173
Speaker 2: A lot of people texting through the support for Chris Filuxen.

803
00:39:13,213 --> 00:39:16,493
Speaker 2: But who is our most significant prime minister of all time?

804
00:39:16,533 --> 00:39:17,692
Speaker 2: O weight one hundred and eighty ten.

805
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Speaker 3: Eighty nine two ninety two is the text New Sport

806
00:39:21,173 --> 00:39:24,413
Speaker 3: and we're the fast approaching but stay right here. We

807
00:39:24,493 --> 00:39:26,933
Speaker 3: will be back very shortly. Great to have your company

808
00:39:26,973 --> 00:39:29,853
Speaker 3: is always on this Thursday afternoon. You're listening to Matt

809
00:39:29,853 --> 00:39:30,293
Speaker 3: and Tyler.

810
00:39:30,533 --> 00:39:32,733
Speaker 5: I hope you're having a great one.

811
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Speaker 1: Mad Heath and Tyler Adams talking with you all afternoon.

812
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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

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Speaker 5: It'd be.

814
00:39:52,173 --> 00:39:54,732
Speaker 3: Very very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.

815
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Speaker 3: Six pass two. So as we've been discussing former Prime

816
00:39:57,813 --> 00:40:00,133
Speaker 3: Minister Jim Boulger, he has passed away at the age

817
00:40:00,133 --> 00:40:03,093
Speaker 3: of ninety rows from humble beginnings on a Taranaki farm

818
00:40:03,293 --> 00:40:06,053
Speaker 3: to become one of the most influential political figures of

819
00:40:06,133 --> 00:40:09,533
Speaker 3: his generation. Often referred to as the last true farmer

820
00:40:09,653 --> 00:40:13,373
Speaker 3: prime ministers and also the great Helmsman. He was known

821
00:40:13,413 --> 00:40:16,813
Speaker 3: for his pragmatic leadership style, earning that nickname during a

822
00:40:16,853 --> 00:40:20,613
Speaker 3: time of significant economic and social transformation. So we're talking

823
00:40:20,613 --> 00:40:23,453
Speaker 3: about Jim Bolger, but also we've asked the question, who,

824
00:40:23,453 --> 00:40:25,773
Speaker 3: for you is our greatest ever prime minister?

825
00:40:26,093 --> 00:40:29,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's our most significant prime minister? And when we

826
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Speaker 2: decided to have this chat this morning, I didn't expect

827
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Speaker 2: it wasn't on my bingo card that Julius Vogel would

828
00:40:35,733 --> 00:40:39,213
Speaker 2: loom so large over the chat who was the premiere

829
00:40:39,373 --> 00:40:44,213
Speaker 2: from eighteen seventy three through to eighteen seventy six. But

830
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Speaker 2: he did a lot of stuff because he's on a

831
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Speaker 2: lot of things. Vogel House, Vogel Street, couple of Vogelton's,

832
00:40:50,893 --> 00:40:52,893
Speaker 2: one in New Plymouth, one in Wellington.

833
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Speaker 3: We're learning a lot about Julius Vogel and I love it.

834
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Speaker 2: There's a Vogel Street in christ Church. Yes, someone else

835
00:40:58,973 --> 00:41:00,413
Speaker 2: rang us up from a Vogel Street. Were was that

836
00:41:00,453 --> 00:41:04,933
Speaker 2: one that was off Stanley Stanley Stanley Allenucky in Taranaki?

837
00:41:05,213 --> 00:41:05,533
Speaker 3: Yeah?

838
00:41:06,133 --> 00:41:12,013
Speaker 2: So yeah, he is a He is probably not going

839
00:41:12,093 --> 00:41:14,293
Speaker 2: to win the most significant though, I'm going to say.

840
00:41:14,253 --> 00:41:16,053
Speaker 3: He's still a hot contender coming in three to one.

841
00:41:16,333 --> 00:41:18,453
Speaker 2: Sorry Vogel Street, tiataha.

842
00:41:18,613 --> 00:41:21,853
Speaker 3: Sorry, but keen on your views. I one hundred and

843
00:41:21,853 --> 00:41:24,413
Speaker 3: eighteen eighty and we've had so many phone calls and

844
00:41:24,453 --> 00:41:28,573
Speaker 3: texts come through. Bruce, how are you this afternoon?

845
00:41:29,373 --> 00:41:30,293
Speaker 11: Yeah, good day, guys.

846
00:41:31,333 --> 00:41:31,653
Speaker 7: Listen.

847
00:41:31,693 --> 00:41:34,093
Speaker 11: I've got a bit of a soft spot for David Longie,

848
00:41:34,173 --> 00:41:40,373
Speaker 11: mainly because it was a change of generation from the

849
00:41:40,373 --> 00:41:43,693
Speaker 11: previous prime ministers to a younger generation that sort of

850
00:41:43,773 --> 00:41:47,613
Speaker 11: wasn't directly involved if I'm right, in the Second World

851
00:41:47,693 --> 00:41:51,293
Speaker 11: War or that generation, but also after sort of many

852
00:41:51,373 --> 00:41:57,253
Speaker 11: years of the almost autocratic Muldoon. But we shouldn't discount

853
00:41:57,333 --> 00:42:01,093
Speaker 11: the effect that Bob Jones had in that election with

854
00:42:01,293 --> 00:42:04,773
Speaker 11: the themation of the New Zealand Party. And an interesting

855
00:42:04,813 --> 00:42:09,013
Speaker 11: little fact was the candidates standing for the Bay of

856
00:42:09,053 --> 00:42:12,093
Speaker 11: Islands for the New Zealand Party back in nineteen eighty

857
00:42:12,093 --> 00:42:15,373
Speaker 11: four was one Wayne Brown, now current Mayor of Auckland.

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00:42:15,533 --> 00:42:16,853
Speaker 2: Again I did not know.

859
00:42:17,893 --> 00:42:21,293
Speaker 11: Yeah, and he came forth. And the other little interesting

860
00:42:21,333 --> 00:42:23,772
Speaker 11: thing was that I had a little restaurant up there

861
00:42:23,853 --> 00:42:26,853
Speaker 11: and that became the New Zealand Party headquarters for the

862
00:42:26,933 --> 00:42:31,093
Speaker 11: election night, and Wayne Brown was there and I made

863
00:42:31,173 --> 00:42:32,732
Speaker 11: sure I charged him for his meal.

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00:42:34,173 --> 00:42:35,172
Speaker 3: What was he like back then?

865
00:42:37,333 --> 00:42:41,732
Speaker 11: Pretty much the same as now. Yeah, I don't think

866
00:42:41,773 --> 00:42:44,813
Speaker 11: he's I don't think his style of politics he was

867
00:42:44,893 --> 00:42:47,813
Speaker 11: standing for for, well, the New Zealand Party stood for

868
00:42:47,853 --> 00:42:52,253
Speaker 11: sort of a much more liberalized market and which of

869
00:42:52,253 --> 00:42:56,613
Speaker 11: course is what happened under Douglas in the end. But yeah, no,

870
00:42:57,733 --> 00:43:00,533
Speaker 11: his politics I don't and style I don't think he's changed,

871
00:43:00,653 --> 00:43:02,253
Speaker 11: probably why he got fourth then.

872
00:43:02,693 --> 00:43:06,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he just he absolutely smoked the election this time,

873
00:43:06,293 --> 00:43:09,573
Speaker 2: so he's come first the last two mirrors in New Zealand.

874
00:43:09,573 --> 00:43:13,893
Speaker 11: Bruce Yep, No, you're right anyway, the guys that's so

875
00:43:14,173 --> 00:43:17,493
Speaker 11: day were lungy for me, just not so much because

876
00:43:17,773 --> 00:43:20,453
Speaker 11: of David Longe himself, but more of the context of

877
00:43:20,493 --> 00:43:21,733
Speaker 11: the change that occurred.

878
00:43:22,093 --> 00:43:25,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was monumental, wasn't it. Absolutely? So

879
00:43:25,053 --> 00:43:27,693
Speaker 2: that would have been a there would have been a

880
00:43:27,813 --> 00:43:30,533
Speaker 2: would been a that would have almost been a forty

881
00:43:30,613 --> 00:43:33,693
Speaker 2: year old because how old is Wayne Brown? He's is

882
00:43:33,693 --> 00:43:34,413
Speaker 2: he seventy nine?

883
00:43:34,453 --> 00:43:36,053
Speaker 3: Seven? Nine year bangne well done?

884
00:43:36,213 --> 00:43:40,293
Speaker 2: So he would have been back then he would have

885
00:43:40,293 --> 00:43:42,413
Speaker 2: still been he's still been thirty nine.

886
00:43:42,493 --> 00:43:45,212
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so he was thirty nine?

887
00:43:45,373 --> 00:43:47,333
Speaker 2: Is forty? Yes, all the way back then when he

888
00:43:47,373 --> 00:43:49,573
Speaker 2: came forth. You know, if you were forty and you

889
00:43:49,613 --> 00:43:52,093
Speaker 2: came forth an election, you know and someone said, you

890
00:43:52,093 --> 00:43:55,253
Speaker 2: know when you're you're pushing eighty, you'll be mayor of Auckland,

891
00:43:55,573 --> 00:43:56,613
Speaker 2: You'll be like, well that's pretty god.

892
00:43:56,653 --> 00:43:57,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, who would have thought.

893
00:43:57,493 --> 00:43:58,692
Speaker 2: I mean, he's done a lot of other stuff as

894
00:43:58,693 --> 00:43:59,613
Speaker 2: well asn't he Wayne Brown?

895
00:43:59,733 --> 00:44:03,252
Speaker 3: He certainly has plenty of teachs coming through a lot

896
00:44:03,293 --> 00:44:06,213
Speaker 3: for Christopher Luxe like this one Christopher Luxembre our best

897
00:44:06,453 --> 00:44:07,733
Speaker 3: prime minister ever.

898
00:44:08,613 --> 00:44:10,493
Speaker 2: Goes to Christopher Luxon. He is the right man at

899
00:44:10,533 --> 00:44:12,573
Speaker 2: this time. He's doing a good job. It's not easy

900
00:44:12,613 --> 00:44:15,253
Speaker 2: trying to revive a near dead economy which he inherited

901
00:44:15,253 --> 00:44:18,453
Speaker 2: from the previous useless loot. He has put together a

902
00:44:18,493 --> 00:44:22,053
Speaker 2: great team and lets them show their particular skills. Winston Stamford,

903
00:44:22,053 --> 00:44:27,173
Speaker 2: Simmy and Brown, Chris Bidget, Bishop Mark Mitchell, Erica Stamford.

904
00:44:27,173 --> 00:44:29,613
Speaker 2: He's doing a great job managing a coalition with other

905
00:44:29,653 --> 00:44:32,813
Speaker 2: strong willed partners. He really really cares about New Zealand.

906
00:44:33,253 --> 00:44:35,893
Speaker 2: Keep those texts coming in nine two nine two. Yeah,

907
00:44:35,933 --> 00:44:38,133
Speaker 2: so so many coming through for Chris Lucxeon. I mean

908
00:44:38,173 --> 00:44:39,333
Speaker 2: as their recency buias.

909
00:44:39,493 --> 00:44:42,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe, oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the

910
00:44:42,133 --> 00:44:44,053
Speaker 3: number to call. Who in your eyes is the best

911
00:44:44,093 --> 00:44:46,212
Speaker 3: prime minister we've had in New Zealand. So you coming

912
00:44:46,213 --> 00:44:48,652
Speaker 3: through from Michael Joseph Savage. Yeah, a lot of people

913
00:44:48,653 --> 00:44:49,293
Speaker 3: say Savage.

914
00:44:49,333 --> 00:44:53,413
Speaker 2: Also your thoughts and memories of Jim Bulger as.

915
00:44:53,253 --> 00:44:55,413
Speaker 3: Well, come on through. It is twelve pars two back

916
00:44:55,453 --> 00:44:55,773
Speaker 3: in a month.

917
00:44:56,133 --> 00:45:00,693
Speaker 1: Wow, your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams

918
00:45:00,733 --> 00:45:04,413
Speaker 1: Afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News talk z.

919
00:45:04,493 --> 00:45:08,773
Speaker 3: EDB, News Talks EDB. It is fourteen par and we've

920
00:45:08,813 --> 00:45:12,053
Speaker 3: asked the question, who for you is our best prime minister?

921
00:45:12,333 --> 00:45:15,493
Speaker 2: This Texas says Chippy Shippy is our best ever prime minister.

922
00:45:15,933 --> 00:45:17,813
Speaker 2: He wasn't a prime minister for long No, and then

923
00:45:18,053 --> 00:45:19,693
Speaker 2: you wouldn't say he knocked out of the park of

924
00:45:19,733 --> 00:45:24,813
Speaker 2: the election results wise, but Shippy. Vote there for Chippy. Hey, guys,

925
00:45:25,213 --> 00:45:27,933
Speaker 2: the focus for this afternoon should be on bulger. Do

926
00:45:27,973 --> 00:45:31,533
Speaker 2: we have any bulger streets? You can talk about roads?

927
00:45:31,573 --> 00:45:36,413
Speaker 2: Are there any bulger lanes? Vogel is well gone talk

928
00:45:36,413 --> 00:45:37,613
Speaker 2: about bulger.

929
00:45:37,293 --> 00:45:38,573
Speaker 3: Okay, Well it's a fair question.

930
00:45:38,653 --> 00:45:38,933
Speaker 5: I don't know.

931
00:45:39,013 --> 00:45:40,333
Speaker 3: I've never heard of a bulger street.

932
00:45:40,413 --> 00:45:40,533
Speaker 16: Well.

933
00:45:40,573 --> 00:45:46,053
Speaker 2: The thing about this show, Angela, it's a conversation and

934
00:45:46,133 --> 00:45:48,933
Speaker 2: people sort of lead where they want to chat. Yeah,

935
00:45:48,493 --> 00:45:51,893
Speaker 2: and people want to talk about Julius Vogel. I never

936
00:45:51,933 --> 00:45:53,893
Speaker 2: thought that would be the case, but you know, they

937
00:45:53,933 --> 00:45:56,413
Speaker 2: seem to mainly want to talk about Longie. Yes, Julius

938
00:45:56,493 --> 00:46:00,652
Speaker 2: Vogel and Christopher Luxon but yeah, it's not. Is it

939
00:46:00,733 --> 00:46:03,692
Speaker 2: a thing really that you get streets named after you

940
00:46:03,733 --> 00:46:05,893
Speaker 2: if you've been a politician these days, I don't think

941
00:46:05,893 --> 00:46:09,173
Speaker 2: it's the same thing. I think Julius Vogel was behind

942
00:46:09,293 --> 00:46:12,173
Speaker 2: a lot of works and he started the international borrowing

943
00:46:12,213 --> 00:46:14,253
Speaker 2: into the country was a big part of making New

944
00:46:14,373 --> 00:46:18,693
Speaker 2: Zealand global. Julius Vogel, yes, in the in the eighteenth

945
00:46:19,213 --> 00:46:22,253
Speaker 2: in eighteen seventy six. Yeah, and so he borrowed a

946
00:46:22,293 --> 00:46:23,973
Speaker 2: lot of money and built a lot of stuff. And

947
00:46:24,053 --> 00:46:25,493
Speaker 2: if you if you build a lot of stuff back

948
00:46:25,533 --> 00:46:26,373
Speaker 2: then you've got your name on.

949
00:46:26,333 --> 00:46:27,853
Speaker 3: The l you get to name it. That's right.

950
00:46:28,173 --> 00:46:30,933
Speaker 2: Bulger not sure O eight one hundred eighty ten eighty

951
00:46:30,973 --> 00:46:32,853
Speaker 2: nine two nine two you live on Boulger Street.

952
00:46:32,933 --> 00:46:37,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm absolutely you in Bulger House. Oh one hundred

953
00:46:37,733 --> 00:46:38,973
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is another to call.

954
00:46:40,213 --> 00:46:42,613
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, rob yep Hi.

955
00:46:43,773 --> 00:46:46,173
Speaker 7: I know quite a bit about Juliette Svogel and indeed

956
00:46:46,213 --> 00:46:50,413
Speaker 7: all the premiers, which is what he was during that time.

957
00:46:50,533 --> 00:46:53,933
Speaker 7: He was actually Premier about four different times during that period,

958
00:46:54,013 --> 00:46:59,573
Speaker 7: because in the eighties as well, in the eighteen eighties

959
00:47:00,053 --> 00:47:06,053
Speaker 7: with Robert Stouth, they're normally called the stout Vogel the ministries.

960
00:47:06,813 --> 00:47:08,613
Speaker 7: The thing about him was you're right, I mean he

961
00:47:08,733 --> 00:47:11,533
Speaker 7: was superb in terms of borrowing, but that in fact

962
00:47:11,573 --> 00:47:14,212
Speaker 7: sent New Zealand into the longest depression, which is from

963
00:47:14,293 --> 00:47:21,693
Speaker 7: the end of the seventies. Yeah, yeah, exactly to the

964
00:47:21,693 --> 00:47:26,173
Speaker 7: early eighteen ninety three is when it went finally ended.

965
00:47:27,093 --> 00:47:31,053
Speaker 7: My personal view, and I've sort of looked at most

966
00:47:31,093 --> 00:47:34,133
Speaker 7: of the premiers and the prime ministers over time, was

967
00:47:34,173 --> 00:47:37,253
Speaker 7: a John Balance as probably the most outstanding person. He

968
00:47:37,413 --> 00:47:39,853
Speaker 7: was the prime minister only for two years in eighteen

969
00:47:39,933 --> 00:47:42,692
Speaker 7: ninety one, for eighteen ninety three, and then he died

970
00:47:42,733 --> 00:47:45,453
Speaker 7: of cancer, but he was the first prime minister to

971
00:47:45,493 --> 00:47:50,493
Speaker 7: be a party leader. The Liberal government which Richard John

972
00:47:50,533 --> 00:47:53,413
Speaker 7: said and then took over when he died. He was

973
00:47:53,453 --> 00:47:56,653
Speaker 7: the start of that and there was really the time

974
00:47:56,973 --> 00:47:59,133
Speaker 7: of all the sort of things that people talk about

975
00:47:59,133 --> 00:48:05,733
Speaker 7: in terms of security, the various labor reforms, the woman's

976
00:48:05,733 --> 00:48:07,853
Speaker 7: suffrage and that sort of thing. So in my view,

977
00:48:07,893 --> 00:48:11,013
Speaker 7: the most Delican probably is John Balance.

978
00:48:11,133 --> 00:48:13,853
Speaker 2: So what was what was his party called at that point?

979
00:48:14,493 --> 00:48:20,533
Speaker 7: It was called the New Zealand Liberal Party, right, yeah, So, and.

980
00:48:20,533 --> 00:48:23,293
Speaker 2: Does that have a line running into a later party

981
00:48:23,373 --> 00:48:25,413
Speaker 2: or did that party sort of disappear.

982
00:48:25,613 --> 00:48:29,692
Speaker 7: Right so, but basically what happened, the more left wing

983
00:48:29,813 --> 00:48:32,453
Speaker 7: members of it ended up in the Labor Party effectively

984
00:48:32,773 --> 00:48:38,133
Speaker 7: right well well down the trap we're talking many decades later.

985
00:48:38,453 --> 00:48:42,373
Speaker 7: But then the Liberal Party itself also flowed into the

986
00:48:42,453 --> 00:48:45,172
Speaker 7: National Party and was then called the United change its

987
00:48:45,253 --> 00:48:48,053
Speaker 7: name to United Parties. So the Liberal Party has been

988
00:48:48,093 --> 00:48:53,172
Speaker 7: really significant from that point of view. And the other

989
00:48:53,213 --> 00:48:55,453
Speaker 7: party at the time was called the Reform Party or

990
00:48:55,493 --> 00:48:58,813
Speaker 7: became called that, which was the more conservative party, and

991
00:48:58,853 --> 00:49:02,933
Speaker 7: that also ended up flowing into the National Party in

992
00:49:02,973 --> 00:49:07,013
Speaker 7: nineteen thirty six when the National Party was formed. Fascinating, Yeah,

993
00:49:07,613 --> 00:49:13,212
Speaker 7: that's it. Also very briefly I knew Jim Bolger. Jim

994
00:49:13,253 --> 00:49:16,893
Speaker 7: was a Catholic, which I am not, but because of that,

995
00:49:16,973 --> 00:49:21,573
Speaker 7: he had some quite interesting social justice views. And one

996
00:49:21,613 --> 00:49:24,173
Speaker 7: of the things that I remember was that he was

997
00:49:24,613 --> 00:49:27,493
Speaker 7: unusually because he was around while Doon at the time,

998
00:49:27,693 --> 00:49:33,453
Speaker 7: but he was very anti the Springbok tour and there

999
00:49:33,493 --> 00:49:36,933
Speaker 7: was quite a challenge for him because he was the

1000
00:49:37,053 --> 00:49:39,453
Speaker 7: MP for King Country, which were very very strong in

1001
00:49:39,573 --> 00:49:42,653
Speaker 7: terms of pro tour, and he was quite magnificent in

1002
00:49:42,733 --> 00:49:47,133
Speaker 7: the way in which he very quietly sort of went

1003
00:49:47,213 --> 00:49:50,533
Speaker 7: down that view, but he was very anti tour. He

1004
00:49:50,653 --> 00:49:54,173
Speaker 7: was also very pro Mari settlement when he was the

1005
00:49:54,213 --> 00:49:58,853
Speaker 7: Prime minister and many of the Doug Graham that reforms

1006
00:49:59,373 --> 00:50:04,013
Speaker 7: that occurred with the settlements then were because of him

1007
00:50:04,053 --> 00:50:05,493
Speaker 7: pushing away in the background.

1008
00:50:05,613 --> 00:50:09,293
Speaker 2: So it's interesting, isn't it, because he when you know Post,

1009
00:50:09,933 --> 00:50:14,093
Speaker 2: you know his political career obviously, you know, the left

1010
00:50:14,173 --> 00:50:16,853
Speaker 2: leaning members of Parliament had a lot of faith in

1011
00:50:16,893 --> 00:50:19,293
Speaker 2: him because he was put in charge of ensied Post

1012
00:50:19,333 --> 00:50:22,732
Speaker 2: and Kiwibank. Yes, so he had he had he had

1013
00:50:22,733 --> 00:50:26,013
Speaker 2: fans on that side of the aisle absolutely.

1014
00:50:26,133 --> 00:50:28,652
Speaker 7: I mean in many ways he's pets wee, but like

1015
00:50:28,973 --> 00:50:31,813
Speaker 7: Malcolm Fraser and that once he stopped being Prime Minister

1016
00:50:32,613 --> 00:50:36,693
Speaker 7: he sort of became much more sort of broad minded

1017
00:50:36,933 --> 00:50:43,093
Speaker 7: and in some of the National Party ministers afterwards after

1018
00:50:43,173 --> 00:50:47,493
Speaker 7: stopping prime minister and had retired from politics, went very

1019
00:50:47,573 --> 00:50:49,212
Speaker 7: keen on him. I mean they went for a keen

1020
00:50:49,293 --> 00:50:53,533
Speaker 7: on him becoming the kW Bank chair for example, first

1021
00:50:53,573 --> 00:50:55,333
Speaker 7: for New Zealand. He did a great job. So he

1022
00:50:56,173 --> 00:50:59,133
Speaker 7: was a very fine person. I guess the other comment

1023
00:50:59,213 --> 00:51:01,333
Speaker 7: just from all the names coming in there are some

1024
00:51:01,373 --> 00:51:02,853
Speaker 7: of the names that have come in that I think

1025
00:51:02,893 --> 00:51:06,613
Speaker 7: were very fine New Zealand politicians like Walter Nash, but

1026
00:51:06,653 --> 00:51:09,573
Speaker 7: were not good prime ministers. Walter Nash, in my view,

1027
00:51:09,693 --> 00:51:11,453
Speaker 7: was not a good prime minister, but he was an

1028
00:51:11,453 --> 00:51:12,693
Speaker 7: outstanding politician.

1029
00:51:12,813 --> 00:51:14,133
Speaker 3: Why wasn't he a good prime minister?

1030
00:51:14,213 --> 00:51:14,893
Speaker 2: The Black Budget?

1031
00:51:15,573 --> 00:51:15,772
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1032
00:51:17,893 --> 00:51:20,213
Speaker 7: Yeah, Partly. The other thing was that what he was

1033
00:51:20,493 --> 00:51:22,173
Speaker 7: he was quite old about time. He was in the

1034
00:51:22,213 --> 00:51:26,172
Speaker 7: seventies when he became Prime minister. But but but he

1035
00:51:26,213 --> 00:51:29,613
Speaker 7: was a competent Minister of finance. He was a person

1036
00:51:29,613 --> 00:51:32,133
Speaker 7: who kept every single receipt that he got. And he's

1037
00:51:32,533 --> 00:51:36,333
Speaker 7: just famous apparently in his garage or the garage to

1038
00:51:36,333 --> 00:51:38,093
Speaker 7: the people that he that he used to live with.

1039
00:51:38,853 --> 00:51:43,173
Speaker 7: You know, there were just box off the box of

1040
00:51:43,373 --> 00:51:46,613
Speaker 7: paper and receipts and things and bus tickets and so on.

1041
00:51:46,693 --> 00:51:48,493
Speaker 7: You know, he was that sort of person. Yeah.

1042
00:51:49,013 --> 00:51:50,732
Speaker 2: So you know, it's great to do with someone that's

1043
00:51:50,733 --> 00:51:55,733
Speaker 2: obviously so incredibly knowledgeable about all our our leaders. So

1044
00:51:55,933 --> 00:51:58,173
Speaker 2: someone that people are texting in a lot as Michael

1045
00:51:58,253 --> 00:52:01,252
Speaker 2: Joseph Savage. Yeah, so how do you look at him

1046
00:52:01,733 --> 00:52:06,173
Speaker 2: in terms of where he sits as most important or

1047
00:52:06,173 --> 00:52:07,093
Speaker 2: significant leaders?

1048
00:52:07,653 --> 00:52:10,613
Speaker 7: Right from the FAAL point of view, very very strong.

1049
00:52:10,653 --> 00:52:14,933
Speaker 7: A lot of people still, people in their nineties, will

1050
00:52:14,973 --> 00:52:18,493
Speaker 7: still have his photograph up on their wars, and I

1051
00:52:18,533 --> 00:52:21,413
Speaker 7: think Peter Fraser was the more important person from a

1052
00:52:21,453 --> 00:52:25,573
Speaker 7: New Zealand point of view. With respect, I know people

1053
00:52:25,613 --> 00:52:28,533
Speaker 7: find was hard to believe, but Savage took over when

1054
00:52:28,573 --> 00:52:33,773
Speaker 7: the economy was beginning to come right, and he also died.

1055
00:52:33,813 --> 00:52:36,213
Speaker 7: I mean he was hated by John A. Lee and

1056
00:52:36,533 --> 00:52:42,373
Speaker 7: that they had terrible problems and Savage of cancer he died,

1057
00:52:42,453 --> 00:52:45,053
Speaker 7: so I mean, quite rightly, he died a hero. But

1058
00:52:45,533 --> 00:52:50,573
Speaker 7: I personally think that that Savage is the stronger leader,

1059
00:52:51,133 --> 00:52:53,733
Speaker 7: partly because he was also the Prime Minister during the

1060
00:52:53,773 --> 00:52:58,013
Speaker 7: war and he did a very good job there. I mean,

1061
00:52:58,053 --> 00:53:03,493
Speaker 7: he had been jailed for not joining up in the

1062
00:53:03,493 --> 00:53:06,333
Speaker 7: First World War and ended up being the prime minister

1063
00:53:06,373 --> 00:53:07,573
Speaker 7: in the Second World Wow that.

1064
00:53:07,693 --> 00:53:10,133
Speaker 2: You would feel like would stand against you quite.

1065
00:53:10,373 --> 00:53:13,613
Speaker 7: Quite yeah, well, I mean it did for quite a while.

1066
00:53:13,653 --> 00:53:17,772
Speaker 7: But I think in fairness that he regarded. I mean,

1067
00:53:17,973 --> 00:53:21,693
Speaker 7: my view would be that Peter Fraser, from the left,

1068
00:53:21,933 --> 00:53:28,053
Speaker 7: is the strongest prime minister that we probably had. Their

1069
00:53:28,133 --> 00:53:31,133
Speaker 7: balance was probably from from the middle, and in my

1070
00:53:31,253 --> 00:53:33,893
Speaker 7: personal view, not many people would agree is that sid

1071
00:53:33,933 --> 00:53:38,453
Speaker 7: Holland was probably the strongest one from the from the right,

1072
00:53:38,813 --> 00:53:41,453
Speaker 7: partly because he was the first National Party Prime minister

1073
00:53:42,173 --> 00:53:45,293
Speaker 7: and he also stebbed a National Party and what was

1074
00:53:45,453 --> 00:53:48,652
Speaker 7: to become a very arm period of control. We talked

1075
00:53:48,653 --> 00:53:51,853
Speaker 7: about Nash being PM from fifty seven to sixty, as

1076
00:53:51,893 --> 00:53:55,613
Speaker 7: you said, but other than that, it was National for

1077
00:53:55,653 --> 00:53:59,732
Speaker 7: a long long time, settling off with sid Holland and

1078
00:54:00,173 --> 00:54:08,333
Speaker 7: so late forties, end of fifties year. So what I'm

1079
00:54:09,293 --> 00:54:12,093
Speaker 7: I think Fraser was a stronger PM than him. But

1080
00:54:12,133 --> 00:54:14,053
Speaker 7: what I'm saying is that from the right, that would

1081
00:54:14,093 --> 00:54:16,493
Speaker 7: be my view as the name I mean, the be

1082
00:54:16,533 --> 00:54:19,053
Speaker 7: others that would have totally different views from that.

1083
00:54:19,333 --> 00:54:21,933
Speaker 2: And before before I let you go, Rob, just quickly

1084
00:54:22,213 --> 00:54:26,653
Speaker 2: your knowledge, which is obviously vast of New Zealand politics,

1085
00:54:26,693 --> 00:54:29,573
Speaker 2: is that a professional or an amateur interest.

1086
00:54:30,533 --> 00:54:33,893
Speaker 7: It's mainly amateur. Very briefly, the prime minister who's not

1087
00:54:34,013 --> 00:54:38,053
Speaker 7: regarded highly from nineteen thirty to thirty five was George Forbes.

1088
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Speaker 7: And George Forbes was my great uncle or great grand uncle,

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Speaker 7: and so I'm actually writing a book on him, and

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Speaker 7: because of that, well I had to do is basically

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Speaker 7: look at all the premierers because just just at the

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Speaker 7: time which he was born in which he covered, so

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Speaker 7: I tend to know. I mean the first premier wasn't

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Speaker 7: about approximately eighteen fifty five, but like with Henry Sewell,

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Speaker 7: and he lasted two weeks premier. Yeah. So first of all,

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Speaker 7: they were called normally colle neal secretaries up until about

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Speaker 7: the eighteen seventies and they became premiers. And then when

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Speaker 7: Richard John Seddon came in halfway during his long term

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Speaker 7: he was the longest serving of the prime ministers, he

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Speaker 7: started calling himself prime minister because he had gone to

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Speaker 7: Queen Victoria's jubilee and all the leading ones from Canada

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Speaker 7: and Australia were called prime ministers, so he decided to

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Speaker 7: call himself prime minister as well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, well, thank you so much.

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Speaker 8: Rob.

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Speaker 2: We're just going to go to an air break, but

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Speaker 2: I'll look out for that book. Yeah, well a book

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00:55:36,453 --> 00:55:37,773
Speaker 2: coming out on Forbes.

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Speaker 3: How go. What a great man to chat too. It

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Speaker 3: is twenty five past two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoon call oh eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZADB.

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00:55:50,613 --> 00:55:53,373
Speaker 3: And we are talking about who in your eyes is

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00:55:53,413 --> 00:55:55,533
Speaker 3: our best prime minister on the back of the said

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Speaker 3: passing of Jim Boulger aged ninety nineteen nine.

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00:56:00,373 --> 00:56:02,613
Speaker 2: Two lads, what are you going to talk about? King Dick?

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00:56:03,213 --> 00:56:03,853
Speaker 2: Beg your pardon?

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00:56:03,933 --> 00:56:04,172
Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Richard Seddon died of a heart attack returning back by

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Speaker 2: sea from Australia. Help get Kate Shepard's proposal to allow

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Speaker 2: woman the vote. There you go, King Dick.

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00:56:12,493 --> 00:56:13,172
Speaker 3: Yeah, King Dick.

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Speaker 2: So that's a name. That's our first vote for King

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00:56:15,053 --> 00:56:19,053
Speaker 2: Dick Powell coming through. Ye, Hi, guys, are my two

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Speaker 2: most favorite pms are John Key and Helen Clark. That's

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00:56:22,333 --> 00:56:24,453
Speaker 2: from Ben. A lot of people are lumping those two

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Speaker 2: together as being solid, solid prime ministers of this country.

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Speaker 3: Fair. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call.

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Speaker 2: This sexta races. Most significantly divisive was just Sinda Arduna

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00:56:38,133 --> 00:56:40,853
Speaker 2: and I voted for her twice. Voted right for the

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Speaker 2: first time in my life to ensure Labor didn't get

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Speaker 2: a third term.

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Speaker 3: There you go, Okay, keep those teacher coming in On

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Speaker 3: nine two ninety two, Jonathan, you're.

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00:56:49,933 --> 00:56:51,813
Speaker 2: Who do you think of the most significant prime ministers

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00:56:51,813 --> 00:56:52,453
Speaker 2: we've ever had?

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Speaker 23: There's two I want to mention, but I just want

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00:56:55,293 --> 00:56:57,173
Speaker 23: to comment on Rob's call My God, how do I

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Speaker 23: follow that?

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00:56:58,493 --> 00:56:58,692
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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00:56:58,773 --> 00:56:59,493
Speaker 2: Incredible call.

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00:56:59,573 --> 00:56:59,973
Speaker 3: Wuldn't he?

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00:57:00,453 --> 00:57:02,613
Speaker 2: I found it so interesting I could have I could

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00:57:02,653 --> 00:57:04,693
Speaker 2: have interviewed him for an hour and a half. I

1146
00:57:04,893 --> 00:57:07,213
Speaker 2: had so many questions. But it's so great people that

1147
00:57:07,253 --> 00:57:10,573
Speaker 2: are that knowledgeable and and you know, people that that

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00:57:10,733 --> 00:57:13,173
Speaker 2: keep our history and write it down so valuable.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, it's a it's a subjective subject direct and because

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00:57:18,493 --> 00:57:20,453
Speaker 23: it's a bit like who's the best guitarist in the world,

1151
00:57:20,493 --> 00:57:22,893
Speaker 23: the best drummer, it's it's what's it's.

1152
00:57:22,773 --> 00:57:26,013
Speaker 2: Your and bottom you? Sorry?

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00:57:27,173 --> 00:57:29,693
Speaker 23: Well, I'd love I'd love to get involved in that subject.

1154
00:57:29,733 --> 00:57:33,413
Speaker 23: I could talk for hours on that one. Yes, thanks.

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Speaker 23: So I'm I'm not a labor voter, but after Labor

1156
00:57:37,453 --> 00:57:39,813
Speaker 23: one of the nineteen eighty fourth snap election, I think

1157
00:57:39,853 --> 00:57:44,173
Speaker 23: I remember I quickly going to the admiration for Longie.

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00:57:44,333 --> 00:57:49,573
Speaker 23: I just saw him as very prime, ministerial, fantastic orator,

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00:57:50,173 --> 00:57:52,373
Speaker 23: dressed immeatulally. I think I remember there was a phase

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Speaker 23: when we went for wearing three piece suits, very very

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Speaker 23: business like. He carried himself very well, he presented himself

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Speaker 23: from the world stage very well. And I actually felt

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Speaker 23: proud to have him as our prime minister a little

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Speaker 23: in Newzealand at theottom of the world. You know, this

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00:58:07,733 --> 00:58:10,293
Speaker 23: guy is our prime minister. And I think he could

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00:58:10,293 --> 00:58:13,413
Speaker 23: carry himself very well on the world political stage.

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Speaker 2: As media's stand ups were essentially stand up comedy. He was.

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Speaker 2: He was brilliant. Have you listened to that podcast called Juggernaut,

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00:58:26,013 --> 00:58:27,853
Speaker 2: you'd probably really enjoy it. It's the it's the eighty

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00:58:27,853 --> 00:58:30,933
Speaker 2: four election and that whole long e time and Roger

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00:58:30,973 --> 00:58:33,533
Speaker 2: Nomics and stuff, and they've got lots of audio of

1172
00:58:33,573 --> 00:58:35,813
Speaker 2: his stand ups. He just basically came out and held court,

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00:58:35,853 --> 00:58:37,173
Speaker 2: didn't he with the media?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, very And he was a lawyer, as a

1175
00:58:39,613 --> 00:58:42,173
Speaker 23: lot of than are, and he was very quick wit

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Speaker 23: and he was he was a great debater in the house.

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Speaker 23: But unfortunately there were fractions in developing in the end

1178
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Speaker 23: in the late eighties after they won in eighty seven,

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Speaker 23: and then the fraction going on, particularly with with Douglas

1180
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Speaker 23: and Prebble, and like I heard you say before that

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00:58:58,453 --> 00:59:00,693
Speaker 23: he didn't like a confrontation. So I think he just

1182
00:59:00,733 --> 00:59:03,333
Speaker 23: had to no, I can't do this anymore. And the

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Speaker 23: other the other guy, I want to talk to is

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Speaker 23: Key John Key, And I'm I mean when I think

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Speaker 23: of John Key, I think he was a bit like

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Speaker 23: our John F.

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Speaker 21: Kennedy.

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Speaker 23: He was, he was, he was young, and I think

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Speaker 23: he hit togather from Clark. So I think the finances

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Speaker 23: were in a pretty good good state because and it

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00:59:25,213 --> 00:59:28,853
Speaker 23: has been mentioned ministers of Finance and Michael Curhen again

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Speaker 23: he's a labor labor Minister of Finance, but I had

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Speaker 23: I admired him too because I think he had a

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00:59:33,493 --> 00:59:35,053
Speaker 23: he had a pretty good name on the books.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the GFC had John Key hard when

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00:59:37,813 --> 00:59:39,813
Speaker 2: he when he Deparliament, and.

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Speaker 3: Then the christ and got significant.

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Speaker 2: And you've got to say we came through the GFC

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Speaker 2: better than most countries. We don't know, we've we've come

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00:59:46,253 --> 00:59:50,013
Speaker 2: through COVID pretty poorly in an economic scale, but we

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00:59:50,053 --> 00:59:51,413
Speaker 2: came through the GFC pretty well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 23: And I we're just making other comment. There was a

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Speaker 23: caller earlier before the break that mentioned a deficit of

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Speaker 23: three billion dollars and I thought, oh my god, I

1206
00:59:59,013 --> 01:00:01,813
Speaker 23: wouldn't it be wonderful had a deficit of three billion?

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Speaker 23: We paid three times that much just an interest on

1208
01:00:05,573 --> 01:00:10,093
Speaker 23: the deficit three billion dollar deficits like it's like nothing now,

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01:00:11,173 --> 01:00:12,253
Speaker 23: But then.

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Speaker 2: Again, when when Joseph Joseph Vogel was running up three

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Speaker 2: billion dollars, three billion dollars was a very different three billion.

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Speaker 23: That was what went back then. Yeah, holy Oaks. I

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01:00:23,413 --> 01:00:26,613
Speaker 23: think he was elected ninety fifty seven, went through to

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Speaker 23: late nineteen sixties, so I think he handed the towel to

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Speaker 23: John Marshall, who basically got a hospital pass. And we'd

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01:00:35,653 --> 01:00:39,453
Speaker 23: had such a long tenure of national that and Labor

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01:00:39,893 --> 01:00:42,453
Speaker 23: campaigned on time for a change, and I don't think

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Speaker 23: any anybody was going to be Labor on that election,

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Speaker 23: and so and who else.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, that's that's probably what I think.

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01:00:52,413 --> 01:00:55,893
Speaker 2: Jonathan very well thought through. And Rob Greenfield was the

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Speaker 2: Rob we were talking before his name, and he's the

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01:00:58,173 --> 01:01:00,853
Speaker 2: book he's writing as a retirement project. So so the

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01:01:00,853 --> 01:01:04,453
Speaker 2: book on George Forbes could be a while away, but

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Speaker 2: if you're still listening, Rob, get hold of us when

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Speaker 2: you when you finish it, i'd love to.

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Speaker 3: He's up to chapter three so far, so a little

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01:01:10,533 --> 01:01:11,973
Speaker 3: while ago, but keep working on it.

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Speaker 2: Roll'st a Yeah, I love it. George Forbes, who was

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Speaker 2: nineteen thirty to nineteen thirty five, I believe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic, right, headlines coming up and we're taking more

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Speaker 3: of your calls. Who is, in your eyes, our best

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Speaker 3: prime minister we've had in New Zealand OER eight hundred

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Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: Or maybe the word is most impactful. Yeah, that's the

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01:01:30,413 --> 01:01:32,853
Speaker 2: most good word, Kent something like that. Yeah, let's get

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Speaker 2: one of those kind of words, Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Let's get into it. It is twenty seven to three.

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Speaker 14: US talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1240
01:01:42,453 --> 01:01:45,333
Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble. The government's released the

1241
01:01:45,333 --> 01:01:49,733
Speaker 14: first National Climate Adaptation Framework, a four pillar plan with

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01:01:49,813 --> 01:01:55,013
Speaker 14: sixteen actions including responsibilities, risks and investment in resilience. A

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01:01:55,093 --> 01:01:59,253
Speaker 14: national flood map will be created and legislation to clarify

1244
01:01:59,373 --> 01:02:04,533
Speaker 14: local government responsibilities. MPs and protesters delivered a petition to

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Speaker 14: Parliament today urging the government not to progress a bill

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Speaker 14: likely to make it harder for Mardy to get customary

1247
01:02:11,213 --> 01:02:16,053
Speaker 14: marine title. The owner of online marketplace grab one has

1248
01:02:16,093 --> 01:02:21,253
Speaker 14: gone into liquidation and won't be refunding consumers holding unredeemed vouchers.

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01:02:22,213 --> 01:02:24,253
Speaker 14: A thirty six year old man has been arrested in

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Speaker 14: the Bay of Plenty after a chase ending in Todonger

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01:02:27,413 --> 01:02:30,453
Speaker 14: this morning after the vehicle with spiked Police say they

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01:02:30,573 --> 01:02:34,093
Speaker 14: use non lethal sponge rounds and a taser to apprehend

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Speaker 14: the arm driver. Parliament sitting to pay tribute to former

1254
01:02:38,253 --> 01:02:41,573
Speaker 14: Prime Minister Jim Bolger who died last night. He was

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Speaker 14: ninety bsa versus the platform, they should all be sacked.

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Speaker 14: Businessman says he will help fund legal action. You can

1257
01:02:51,173 --> 01:02:53,893
Speaker 14: read more at ends at Herald Premium. Back to Matt

1258
01:02:53,933 --> 01:02:55,333
Speaker 14: Eathan Tyler Adams, thank.

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Speaker 3: You very much, Rayleen, who has been our most significant

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01:02:58,133 --> 01:03:00,293
Speaker 3: prime minister in New Zealand. Love to hear your thoughts

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01:03:00,333 --> 01:03:01,613
Speaker 3: on one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: This textas says most impact has to be ardoomed for

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01:03:04,773 --> 01:03:08,093
Speaker 2: all the wrong reasons. This person says, stop reading out

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01:03:08,093 --> 01:03:11,853
Speaker 2: them mean just sinder texts. This textas says John Key

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01:03:12,013 --> 01:03:14,213
Speaker 2: must be the best prime minister in modern time. Saved

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01:03:14,253 --> 01:03:16,853
Speaker 2: us from yet another labor financial crisis and the global

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01:03:16,893 --> 01:03:20,853
Speaker 2: financial meltdown, and the same time, however long, he must

1268
01:03:20,933 --> 01:03:23,853
Speaker 2: be the worst and most dishonest politician we've ever had.

1269
01:03:23,933 --> 01:03:25,973
Speaker 2: Lied to his caucus, lied to the people, and lied

1270
01:03:26,013 --> 01:03:29,333
Speaker 2: and cheated on his partner. Okay, And on top of that,

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01:03:29,373 --> 01:03:31,933
Speaker 2: the uranium comment at the debate was straight out of something

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01:03:32,733 --> 01:03:37,893
Speaker 2: we would have done in immediate school. That's a pretty

1273
01:03:37,893 --> 01:03:40,893
Speaker 2: good line and I can't understand why people rave about it.

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01:03:41,253 --> 01:03:44,093
Speaker 2: He was a born liar and refined his craft through

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01:03:44,093 --> 01:03:47,493
Speaker 2: being a lawyer and politicians. Subsequent labor leaders Clark and

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Speaker 2: Deurn had follow his lead. Wow that's some strong long

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Speaker 2: he hate. Yeah, yeah, I mean he was all right,

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01:03:53,653 --> 01:03:57,093
Speaker 2: wouldn't he? Let ye who has not sinned cast the

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01:03:57,133 --> 01:03:57,653
Speaker 2: first stone?

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Speaker 3: I'd say, yeah, Ian, how are you all right?

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01:04:01,333 --> 01:04:01,693
Speaker 5: Mate?

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01:04:02,093 --> 01:04:02,773
Speaker 3: Who is it for you?

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01:04:04,053 --> 01:04:08,613
Speaker 24: Sir Harry Atkinson, Sir Harriet long forgot? And you were

1284
01:04:08,613 --> 01:04:12,253
Speaker 24: talking about Vogels before. So he actually served as premiere

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01:04:12,253 --> 01:04:15,573
Speaker 24: four times. He was a only for short terms. He

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01:04:15,693 --> 01:04:20,133
Speaker 24: was a basically our first professional politician, and he was

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01:04:20,173 --> 01:04:22,613
Speaker 24: the guy that so Vogel would go and have a

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01:04:22,773 --> 01:04:24,933
Speaker 24: spending spree, he would be very good right now. He

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01:04:24,973 --> 01:04:28,093
Speaker 24: actually died in office and he had a very sharp pencil,

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01:04:28,133 --> 01:04:29,973
Speaker 24: and his role was to try and sort out the

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01:04:30,053 --> 01:04:32,173
Speaker 24: mess of all the money that the provinces would go

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01:04:32,253 --> 01:04:35,173
Speaker 24: to government for to borrow money for bridges and roads,

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01:04:35,173 --> 01:04:37,453
Speaker 24: and they just overborrowed and overborrowed like we are now.

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Speaker 24: So when Cullen and Key and Clark are in the government,

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01:04:41,373 --> 01:04:44,053
Speaker 24: debt was twenty billion. When Key left it was over

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01:04:44,093 --> 01:04:47,573
Speaker 24: one hundred billion, and according to Shane jones Ese of

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01:04:47,653 --> 01:04:50,693
Speaker 24: late it's two hundred and forty billion. So if it

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01:04:50,733 --> 01:04:54,213
Speaker 24: was a house mortgage that you had in two thousand

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01:04:54,253 --> 01:04:56,293
Speaker 24: and eight or four hundred thousand, you've now got, you

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01:04:56,373 --> 01:04:57,893
Speaker 24: expect to be paid down quite a bit by now.

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Speaker 2: Ay, so you've gottage. Did ju les Vogel start the

1302
01:05:03,293 --> 01:05:05,213
Speaker 2: rot of over borrowing?

1303
01:05:05,413 --> 01:05:09,133
Speaker 24: He overspent, overspent, overspend and then they were into a depression.

1304
01:05:09,133 --> 01:05:11,733
Speaker 24: So that pulled Harry Atkinson and he got in every time.

1305
01:05:11,733 --> 01:05:13,133
Speaker 24: He was the guy that pulled them out of the pooch,

1306
01:05:13,213 --> 01:05:15,293
Speaker 24: just like we need people with a very sharp pencil

1307
01:05:15,293 --> 01:05:16,133
Speaker 24: to pull us out of the pool.

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01:05:16,173 --> 01:05:18,893
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, we know who's Harry Atkinson.

1309
01:05:19,013 --> 01:05:20,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1310
01:05:20,693 --> 01:05:21,093
Speaker 3: another to go.

1311
01:05:21,413 --> 01:05:25,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we're expecting a call on Michael Joseph Savage.

1312
01:05:25,213 --> 01:05:27,493
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on him as a as an impactful New

1313
01:05:27,573 --> 01:05:29,973
Speaker 2: Zealand leader, Well, I.

1314
01:05:29,893 --> 01:05:34,173
Speaker 15: Think he introduced the welfare state, so his legacy is

1315
01:05:34,213 --> 01:05:38,213
Speaker 15: still with us today. It's made New Zealand a relatively

1316
01:05:39,733 --> 01:05:42,333
Speaker 15: egalitarian state, which is all good.

1317
01:05:43,333 --> 01:05:44,373
Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you.

1318
01:05:44,413 --> 01:05:46,653
Speaker 3: No, not far enough, too short and sharp. I mean,

1319
01:05:46,693 --> 01:05:49,613
Speaker 3: certainly that's what Savage is promoted for, for laying the

1320
01:05:49,613 --> 01:05:53,253
Speaker 3: groundwork for the welfare state, which look some would push

1321
01:05:53,333 --> 01:05:54,973
Speaker 3: back on, but for a lot of people out there

1322
01:05:54,973 --> 01:05:57,533
Speaker 3: that's certainly been a lifeline.

1323
01:05:57,813 --> 01:05:59,653
Speaker 2: You do not have the right to decide what the

1324
01:05:59,653 --> 01:06:01,453
Speaker 2: Prime Minister wants to be called. You need to set

1325
01:06:01,493 --> 01:06:03,973
Speaker 2: an example to all when addressing him. It's a sign

1326
01:06:03,973 --> 01:06:06,333
Speaker 2: of respect for the position and for the person. You

1327
01:06:06,373 --> 01:06:09,853
Speaker 2: are setting a poor example to people that then complain

1328
01:06:09,893 --> 01:06:13,973
Speaker 2: to you about it. I'll call anyone whatever I like, actually, Texter,

1329
01:06:14,173 --> 01:06:16,533
Speaker 2: and you don't have the right to tell me to

1330
01:06:16,613 --> 01:06:18,293
Speaker 2: not call Christopher Luxe and Luxen.

1331
01:06:18,973 --> 01:06:19,813
Speaker 3: I don't think you care.

1332
01:06:20,133 --> 01:06:24,813
Speaker 2: No, I've had long and deep discussions with Christopher Luxe.

1333
01:06:24,893 --> 01:06:28,413
Speaker 2: You have, as was recently put up on TikTok.

1334
01:06:28,493 --> 01:06:31,213
Speaker 3: It's a video. I'm talking to him at.

1335
01:06:30,733 --> 01:06:34,053
Speaker 2: The Rugby and I get on well with them. Primarily

1336
01:06:34,133 --> 01:06:38,053
Speaker 2: my conversations with Luxen have been on cricket. He's a

1337
01:06:38,213 --> 01:06:41,773
Speaker 2: huge cricket fan, Isn't I so deep? Cricket tragic chat.

1338
01:06:41,893 --> 01:06:43,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, term of endearment.

1339
01:06:43,173 --> 01:06:45,333
Speaker 2: So I do get to decide what I call whoever

1340
01:06:45,373 --> 01:06:47,773
Speaker 2: I want, and I'm going to call you poo poo

1341
01:06:47,813 --> 01:06:50,853
Speaker 2: pants text What do you about that?

1342
01:06:50,893 --> 01:06:53,813
Speaker 3: After eighty t and eighty over there for a while?

1343
01:06:53,813 --> 01:06:56,773
Speaker 3: Poo poo pants? Nine nine two is the text number.

1344
01:06:56,853 --> 01:06:58,773
Speaker 2: It's because it's not often used by adults.

1345
01:06:59,333 --> 01:07:01,693
Speaker 3: Oh mate, I love yet it's nineteen to three. Taken

1346
01:07:01,733 --> 01:07:04,133
Speaker 3: more of your calls. Who has been our most significant

1347
01:07:04,133 --> 01:07:04,653
Speaker 3: prime minister?

1348
01:07:05,733 --> 01:07:09,533
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on tennessee Matt Heath

1349
01:07:09,573 --> 01:07:11,813
Speaker 1: and Tyler Adams afternoons used.

1350
01:07:11,693 --> 01:07:15,733
Speaker 3: Talks, they'd be very good afternoons You're seventeen to three.

1351
01:07:16,533 --> 01:07:19,453
Speaker 3: Plenty of takes coming through on nine two nine two

1352
01:07:19,613 --> 01:07:22,693
Speaker 3: about who is the most significant prime minister we've had

1353
01:07:22,693 --> 01:07:23,453
Speaker 3: in this country.

1354
01:07:24,173 --> 01:07:26,373
Speaker 2: Welcome the show, Doug. You met Jim Bolder a couple

1355
01:07:26,373 --> 01:07:28,813
Speaker 2: of times.

1356
01:07:29,173 --> 01:07:33,653
Speaker 25: Yeah, a family member was in the National Party in

1357
01:07:33,693 --> 01:07:37,053
Speaker 25: the king Country and when that family member passed away,

1358
01:07:38,213 --> 01:07:42,253
Speaker 25: Jim and Joanes came to maturitimt Equity for the funeral

1359
01:07:42,613 --> 01:07:46,773
Speaker 25: and I can remember speaking to him personally and he

1360
01:07:47,093 --> 01:07:49,133
Speaker 25: shook my hand, looking me in the eye and said

1361
01:07:49,173 --> 01:07:53,373
Speaker 25: if you can be anything like your family member who's deceased.

1362
01:07:53,413 --> 01:07:54,453
Speaker 25: You'll go a long way.

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01:07:54,853 --> 01:07:55,133
Speaker 13: Wow.

1364
01:07:55,173 --> 01:08:02,053
Speaker 25: Now, very humble man, big family, farming stock and really

1365
01:08:02,333 --> 01:08:05,653
Speaker 25: just a good, good, all round person. And I think

1366
01:08:05,693 --> 01:08:09,053
Speaker 25: if it was thirty years ago, if you look back,

1367
01:08:09,093 --> 01:08:13,413
Speaker 25: what he's done since nineteen ninety five and to what

1368
01:08:13,493 --> 01:08:17,773
Speaker 25: he's done today when he left politics, his actual impact

1369
01:08:18,093 --> 01:08:21,652
Speaker 25: like the things like Kiwi Bank, which is no secret

1370
01:08:21,693 --> 01:08:25,253
Speaker 25: the National Party didn't like Kiwi Bank, but we all

1371
01:08:25,333 --> 01:08:29,053
Speaker 25: now think bloody Hells in competition against the Bigaussis is

1372
01:08:29,053 --> 01:08:31,973
Speaker 25: a good thing. You know, we're actually proud of a

1373
01:08:32,013 --> 01:08:35,452
Speaker 25: little Kiwi Bank that lean against the big Aussies. But

1374
01:08:36,372 --> 01:08:40,933
Speaker 25: Jim's probably biggest mark was with Sir Douglas Graham and

1375
01:08:41,133 --> 01:08:45,293
Speaker 25: collectively they've done more for EWI than anybody else. With

1376
01:08:45,452 --> 01:08:50,132
Speaker 25: the treaty settlement process. You might remember Matt the billion

1377
01:08:50,173 --> 01:08:52,253
Speaker 25: dollar try and say to all the claims for a

1378
01:08:52,333 --> 01:08:57,053
Speaker 25: billion dollars in nineteen ninety six and what that's now

1379
01:08:57,173 --> 01:09:01,892
Speaker 25: transpired onto in terms of the Mari economy, Ni Tahoo chainy,

1380
01:09:02,133 --> 01:09:06,973
Speaker 25: big big settlements and their distribution of wealth and what

1381
01:09:07,133 --> 01:09:12,293
Speaker 25: that wealth has created in terms of young marries, people

1382
01:09:12,412 --> 01:09:16,092
Speaker 25: going to universities, free fees and what it will become.

1383
01:09:16,333 --> 01:09:21,213
Speaker 25: It'll become how key we savor for ewie population in

1384
01:09:21,253 --> 01:09:26,012
Speaker 25: the future and redress in terms of forestry and fishing assets.

1385
01:09:26,093 --> 01:09:30,452
Speaker 25: So I think hugely impactful. Didn't seem it at the time,

1386
01:09:31,053 --> 01:09:34,133
Speaker 25: but it's a little bit like when John Key rolled

1387
01:09:34,173 --> 01:09:38,293
Speaker 25: out ultra fliber broadband. We're all trying to forget that

1388
01:09:38,412 --> 01:09:42,213
Speaker 25: with ultra Fliber broadband over COVID lockdown. We talked to

1389
01:09:42,333 --> 01:09:45,652
Speaker 25: everybody and are set up companies like zero to do

1390
01:09:45,853 --> 01:09:48,052
Speaker 25: business all around the world while we're locked down.

1391
01:09:48,452 --> 01:09:50,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such a such a good point. You know

1392
01:09:50,772 --> 01:09:53,052
Speaker 2: what you set up hardly ever, I mean the really

1393
01:09:53,053 --> 01:09:56,692
Speaker 2: big stuff doesn't come into fruition while you're still in

1394
01:09:56,772 --> 01:09:58,812
Speaker 2: the role. I mean, if it's really significant, you don't

1395
01:09:58,853 --> 01:10:01,012
Speaker 2: see as a previous call I said, you don't really

1396
01:10:01,013 --> 01:10:04,133
Speaker 2: see the fruits of it for many many years to come. Hey,

1397
01:10:04,133 --> 01:10:06,093
Speaker 2: thank you so much for you called Doug. Appreciate that

1398
01:10:06,572 --> 01:10:10,132
Speaker 2: great call afternoon, Really enjoy the banter. I am putting

1399
01:10:10,173 --> 01:10:12,532
Speaker 2: in a vote for Bill English, a great finance minister

1400
01:10:12,652 --> 01:10:15,492
Speaker 2: through the GFC and Christich earthquake. He would have been

1401
01:10:15,532 --> 01:10:17,893
Speaker 2: a brilliant PM. If Winston had played him with a

1402
01:10:17,933 --> 01:10:21,932
Speaker 2: straight bat. His understanding of policy impact was second to none.

1403
01:10:21,973 --> 01:10:25,013
Speaker 3: She is a great, very good politician. So Bill English, Oh,

1404
01:10:25,093 --> 01:10:27,372
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

1405
01:10:27,452 --> 01:10:29,652
Speaker 3: call nine to nine to if you want to send

1406
01:10:29,652 --> 01:10:32,173
Speaker 3: a text Lee, welcome to the show.

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01:10:33,253 --> 01:10:36,012
Speaker 8: Oh hi guys, I always teak too, but it cost

1408
01:10:36,093 --> 01:10:38,173
Speaker 8: me too much over I want to join, and I've

1409
01:10:38,173 --> 01:10:42,492
Speaker 8: got a ring I suppose on you. Yeah, yeah, good

1410
01:10:42,532 --> 01:10:45,532
Speaker 8: on YouTube, mate. You do talk a lot though, So

1411
01:10:45,652 --> 01:10:46,213
Speaker 8: that's sane.

1412
01:10:46,412 --> 01:10:49,412
Speaker 2: Well, it is a well, it is a it is.

1413
01:10:51,412 --> 01:10:53,293
Speaker 8: That's going on this. I think this is.

1414
01:10:53,333 --> 01:10:57,532
Speaker 2: Really I would never interrupt a caler what are you

1415
01:10:57,572 --> 01:10:58,093
Speaker 2: talking about?

1416
01:10:58,213 --> 01:11:02,532
Speaker 5: Lee?

1417
01:11:03,452 --> 01:11:10,413
Speaker 8: But this conversation has really ignitious. I think New Zealand

1418
01:11:10,973 --> 01:11:15,293
Speaker 8: voters again, because the course that I have listened to

1419
01:11:15,612 --> 01:11:18,973
Speaker 8: are just so full on in history. Now I've just

1420
01:11:19,133 --> 01:11:25,412
Speaker 8: turned one year after sixty, but I actually, without even

1421
01:11:25,532 --> 01:11:28,532
Speaker 8: knowing that, have met quite a few prime ministers. But

1422
01:11:28,772 --> 01:11:31,532
Speaker 8: I was very much into the Union and I follow

1423
01:11:31,652 --> 01:11:36,092
Speaker 8: calling Kelly so anyway, but I do remember a time

1424
01:11:36,492 --> 01:11:41,932
Speaker 8: Rob Muldoon I was very young, is probably fourteen, and

1425
01:11:42,013 --> 01:11:45,372
Speaker 8: I was in a running relay on the Kepedy coast,

1426
01:11:45,412 --> 01:11:48,293
Speaker 8: to PORI ruha. And who's at the end when I'm

1427
01:11:48,333 --> 01:11:52,412
Speaker 8: doing the last league of the race is Rob Muldoon.

1428
01:11:52,893 --> 01:11:56,973
Speaker 8: Now he's seeming there. He's got his tuckle on his

1429
01:11:57,173 --> 01:12:00,492
Speaker 8: god has, you know, big cheap you know, rais. And

1430
01:12:00,532 --> 01:12:05,693
Speaker 8: he looked at down at my feet, looked up my legs,

1431
01:12:06,692 --> 01:12:11,253
Speaker 8: my has. He would have been around my breath, I

1432
01:12:11,293 --> 01:12:14,132
Speaker 8: would say, And then he just keep looking at really

1433
01:12:14,213 --> 01:12:18,053
Speaker 8: slowly and thinking, oh this is weird. Indeed, he put

1434
01:12:18,133 --> 01:12:20,612
Speaker 8: out a ten and my sugar ten and he just

1435
01:12:20,692 --> 01:12:22,652
Speaker 8: gave it tuckle that he does.

1436
01:12:24,093 --> 01:12:26,652
Speaker 2: The sort of side mouthed kind of ye.

1437
01:12:30,812 --> 01:12:33,293
Speaker 8: And he did that to me. But I also met

1438
01:12:33,372 --> 01:12:38,772
Speaker 8: Justinder before she was even thinking about being crimes or

1439
01:12:38,893 --> 01:12:43,732
Speaker 8: made to be one. I met David Shearer. Who else

1440
01:12:43,853 --> 01:12:45,452
Speaker 8: I just meet so many of them.

1441
01:12:46,133 --> 01:12:49,732
Speaker 2: A great man, yeah.

1442
01:12:49,372 --> 01:12:50,253
Speaker 17: I don't know, but like.

1443
01:12:50,293 --> 01:12:52,652
Speaker 8: Bill Rolling a little bit two weeks for me, you know,

1444
01:12:52,732 --> 01:12:53,253
Speaker 8: I like him.

1445
01:12:53,293 --> 01:12:56,372
Speaker 2: But I'm a nice man in person, very nice and

1446
01:12:56,612 --> 01:12:58,492
Speaker 2: a very good guy in person. And what he did

1447
01:12:58,532 --> 01:13:00,572
Speaker 2: for charity, yeah, yeah.

1448
01:13:00,973 --> 01:13:05,293
Speaker 8: Rosold I met him years later. He was a narrator

1449
01:13:05,532 --> 01:13:10,852
Speaker 8: for the Rocky Horrors right and Willington Saint Jamee's Theater.

1450
01:13:11,053 --> 01:13:13,532
Speaker 8: But when I tuned up there, not even realizing then

1451
01:13:13,612 --> 01:13:16,013
Speaker 8: I saw him sitting in the chair. I thought he

1452
01:13:16,133 --> 01:13:18,293
Speaker 8: was quite a character. It said that he went the

1453
01:13:18,293 --> 01:13:22,732
Speaker 8: way he did that, I'd say, don Key was up

1454
01:13:22,732 --> 01:13:25,572
Speaker 8: there and used to follow him and take photos of him.

1455
01:13:25,893 --> 01:13:28,693
Speaker 8: I always found his body language very interesting.

1456
01:13:30,093 --> 01:13:31,652
Speaker 3: You used to follow him and take photos of him,

1457
01:13:31,692 --> 01:13:33,652
Speaker 3: did you say, Lee, Yeah.

1458
01:13:33,492 --> 01:13:37,253
Speaker 8: Because I was. I was quite political for the labor

1459
01:13:37,532 --> 01:13:38,492
Speaker 8: side of things, you know.

1460
01:13:39,213 --> 01:13:42,892
Speaker 2: I see, so you followed him legally he went stalking.

1461
01:13:43,893 --> 01:13:46,052
Speaker 8: Oh no, no, no, no, no. I'm sure he knew

1462
01:13:46,053 --> 01:13:48,052
Speaker 8: I was there because when I'm looking from my photos,

1463
01:13:48,093 --> 01:13:48,572
Speaker 8: he's looking.

1464
01:13:50,213 --> 01:13:50,612
Speaker 3: That's good.

1465
01:13:50,812 --> 01:13:52,133
Speaker 2: That's a good signing as there.

1466
01:13:53,133 --> 01:13:56,093
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's too security caster. I just want to say

1467
01:13:56,133 --> 01:14:00,213
Speaker 8: this conversation, I hope whoever listening to this, who all

1468
01:14:00,372 --> 01:14:03,452
Speaker 8: the thousands who are listening to this. I just remember

1469
01:14:03,532 --> 01:14:06,933
Speaker 8: who started New Zealand right and how it developed, and

1470
01:14:07,452 --> 01:14:11,093
Speaker 8: it seems to me we're going back probably two generations

1471
01:14:11,133 --> 01:14:17,772
Speaker 8: at the moment of neglecting infrastructure water. So I hope

1472
01:14:17,853 --> 01:14:21,932
Speaker 8: Chrys relucton because I'm going to be controversial here. I've

1473
01:14:22,053 --> 01:14:28,412
Speaker 8: just kept Charon McNulty saying twenty twenty nine is when

1474
01:14:28,492 --> 01:14:33,692
Speaker 8: Labor gets back in unless they drop to party multi party,

1475
01:14:33,853 --> 01:14:35,973
Speaker 8: because I will not vote them. So I'm going to

1476
01:14:36,053 --> 01:14:38,892
Speaker 8: be very political on that. Trump, But I do believe

1477
01:14:39,532 --> 01:14:42,932
Speaker 8: Chris Flucton will see us through till at least twenty

1478
01:14:43,013 --> 01:14:43,692
Speaker 8: twenty nine.

1479
01:14:44,213 --> 01:14:46,572
Speaker 2: There you go. Thank you, Lee so Mouldon a bit iy,

1480
01:14:46,812 --> 01:14:50,973
Speaker 2: thank you for sharing you short. Sure, But yeah, he

1481
01:14:51,093 --> 01:14:52,732
Speaker 2: was that. That was quite a surprise when he ended

1482
01:14:52,772 --> 01:14:56,452
Speaker 2: up in the Rocky Horror Picture Show. It's just a yeah.

1483
01:14:56,772 --> 01:14:58,293
Speaker 3: That would have been quite confronting for a lot of

1484
01:14:58,333 --> 01:15:03,572
Speaker 3: New Zealanders. Yeah, put your hands on your beautiful it

1485
01:15:03,612 --> 01:15:05,253
Speaker 3: is nine to three, back in the month.

1486
01:15:06,692 --> 01:15:09,133
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

1487
01:15:09,173 --> 01:15:13,052
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

1488
01:15:13,093 --> 01:15:15,492
Speaker 2: They'd be news talks.

1489
01:15:15,492 --> 01:15:18,572
Speaker 3: He'd be who is or has been our most significant

1490
01:15:18,612 --> 01:15:20,932
Speaker 3: prime minister in New Zealand. A whole bunch of tikes

1491
01:15:20,933 --> 01:15:25,213
Speaker 3: to coming through on nine two ninety two Ian Rob

1492
01:15:25,253 --> 01:15:26,452
Speaker 3: Maldone before he robs you.

1493
01:15:27,652 --> 01:15:34,013
Speaker 18: Yes, well, I'm seventy two years old, and I remember

1494
01:15:34,973 --> 01:15:38,132
Speaker 18: I'm a ten pound pomp. Well not a ten pound pomp.

1495
01:15:39,173 --> 01:15:43,492
Speaker 18: I remember laying in bed, I listened to the BBC

1496
01:15:43,772 --> 01:15:49,173
Speaker 18: News and now Dern just decided that he was going

1497
01:15:49,213 --> 01:15:53,053
Speaker 18: to stop the ten pound poms coming in, and I'll

1498
01:15:53,133 --> 01:15:56,892
Speaker 18: kicked the ship as the Oriana, if I remember rightly,

1499
01:15:58,053 --> 01:16:05,492
Speaker 18: And it took six weeks a year apparently. I remember

1500
01:16:05,572 --> 01:16:09,372
Speaker 18: on the BBC News laying in bed, trying to get

1501
01:16:09,372 --> 01:16:13,692
Speaker 18: out of bit to get to work, and and he

1502
01:16:13,853 --> 01:16:17,572
Speaker 18: stopped it, stopped pound poms coming in.

1503
01:16:18,333 --> 01:16:20,213
Speaker 2: So how did you get here? If you? If you

1504
01:16:20,372 --> 01:16:22,253
Speaker 2: if the had stopped.

1505
01:16:21,973 --> 01:16:25,372
Speaker 18: Well, it was a long story. But I had a

1506
01:16:25,452 --> 01:16:28,652
Speaker 18: key Week girl that I fell in love with, yes,

1507
01:16:29,532 --> 01:16:32,012
Speaker 18: and and a couple of key Wee kids and come

1508
01:16:32,133 --> 01:16:35,772
Speaker 18: and I managed And it cost me five hundred pounds

1509
01:16:37,133 --> 01:16:38,492
Speaker 18: to fly.

1510
01:16:39,492 --> 01:16:43,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you stop outspect then when you flew over

1511
01:16:43,452 --> 01:16:45,173
Speaker 2: to New Zealand, wasn't there wasn't a direct flight.

1512
01:16:45,772 --> 01:16:53,293
Speaker 18: It was just straight through, straight through to New Zealand.

1513
01:16:54,173 --> 01:16:59,532
Speaker 18: And I've got a return on my on my ear ticket.

1514
01:17:00,893 --> 01:17:03,293
Speaker 2: It's good stuff in and I'm glad you managed to

1515
01:17:03,293 --> 01:17:04,572
Speaker 2: make it over, even if you were in a ten

1516
01:17:04,652 --> 01:17:07,492
Speaker 2: pound palm. Thanks you so much for talking the sixties boys.

1517
01:17:07,532 --> 01:17:09,812
Speaker 2: As anyone talked about Big Norm Kirk, I thought he

1518
01:17:09,893 --> 01:17:11,812
Speaker 2: was considered one of our greatest promises. Yes, there's been

1519
01:17:11,853 --> 01:17:14,253
Speaker 2: a lot of talk about Big Norm Kirk, but of

1520
01:17:14,293 --> 01:17:16,452
Speaker 2: course there is recency by its bias, isn't there? So

1521
01:17:17,173 --> 01:17:20,652
Speaker 2: you know a lot of people probably don't remember Big

1522
01:17:20,692 --> 01:17:21,253
Speaker 2: Norm Kirk.

1523
01:17:21,612 --> 01:17:23,372
Speaker 3: We while ago, Yeah, do we want to do a

1524
01:17:23,372 --> 01:17:25,852
Speaker 3: wee telly up with what our audience thought over the

1525
01:17:25,973 --> 01:17:26,972
Speaker 3: last two hours on?

1526
01:17:27,412 --> 01:17:29,053
Speaker 2: Well, I'll be interesting here because I've seen you've been

1527
01:17:29,053 --> 01:17:31,133
Speaker 2: counting it up with your little notepad and pin over

1528
01:17:31,173 --> 01:17:31,612
Speaker 2: the tiler.

1529
01:17:31,692 --> 01:17:34,933
Speaker 3: So here's my WI list. So I think by a

1530
01:17:35,053 --> 01:17:37,772
Speaker 3: nose the via the number of techs and phone calls.

1531
01:17:37,853 --> 01:17:41,053
Speaker 3: John Key is right up the top. Longye Longye is

1532
01:17:41,053 --> 01:17:43,213
Speaker 3: coming at number two. A lot of chat about David Longi,

1533
01:17:43,893 --> 01:17:48,293
Speaker 3: Christopher Luxen. Funnily enough, our current Prime Minister Vogel, Julius Vogel,

1534
01:17:48,333 --> 01:17:50,692
Speaker 3: who would have thought he came in strong at number four,

1535
01:17:51,452 --> 01:17:54,532
Speaker 3: and then King Dak, King Dak coming in at number five.

1536
01:17:55,053 --> 01:17:57,852
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I didn't.

1537
01:17:57,652 --> 01:17:58,133
Speaker 7: Even mean that.

1538
01:17:58,532 --> 01:18:02,013
Speaker 3: My isn't even trying to be funny there, Dack. But

1539
01:18:02,492 --> 01:18:03,572
Speaker 3: thankfully he came.

1540
01:18:03,372 --> 01:18:06,093
Speaker 2: In at number five. I'm going straight to the BSA.

1541
01:18:06,612 --> 01:18:10,252
Speaker 3: You should that was terrible right coming up after three o'clock.

1542
01:18:10,692 --> 01:18:12,933
Speaker 3: We want to have a chat about open relationships? Have

1543
01:18:13,013 --> 01:18:14,772
Speaker 3: you been in one? Are you thinking about it? Has

1544
01:18:14,812 --> 01:18:15,213
Speaker 3: it worked?

1545
01:18:15,213 --> 01:18:15,772
Speaker 2: That's next?

1546
01:18:18,333 --> 01:18:22,612
Speaker 1: Your new homes are insateful and entertaining. Talk It's Matty

1547
01:18:22,893 --> 01:18:26,813
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams Afternoons on News Talk Sebby.

1548
01:18:27,253 --> 01:18:29,892
Speaker 3: Very good Afternoons. You welcome back into the show six

1549
01:18:29,933 --> 01:18:33,532
Speaker 3: pass three really good der company as always. So let's

1550
01:18:33,532 --> 01:18:36,612
Speaker 3: get into this one. Once considered taboo or fringe, open

1551
01:18:36,652 --> 01:18:40,572
Speaker 3: relationships are entice are entering the mainstream. I've got to say.

1552
01:18:40,973 --> 01:18:44,413
Speaker 3: With a growing number of people challenging traditional ideas of monogamy.

1553
01:18:44,412 --> 01:18:47,892
Speaker 3: According to a recent UGOV survey, one in four people,

1554
01:18:47,933 --> 01:18:51,933
Speaker 3: twenty five percent say they've been involved in a nonmonogamous

1555
01:18:52,013 --> 01:18:54,532
Speaker 3: relationship at some point in their lives. Will forty three

1556
01:18:54,612 --> 01:18:57,333
Speaker 3: percent of millennials say they're open to the idea. In

1557
01:18:57,372 --> 01:19:00,133
Speaker 3: New Zealand, studies suggests that up to fifteen percent of

1558
01:19:00,133 --> 01:19:05,293
Speaker 3: couples have either tried or currently practiced consensual open relationships.

1559
01:19:05,412 --> 01:19:07,572
Speaker 2: Wow, so this is a real u turn of topics,

1560
01:19:07,612 --> 01:19:09,852
Speaker 2: isn't it It is? I don't know one ad a

1561
01:19:10,053 --> 01:19:14,852
Speaker 2: sharp stop, a right turn. So we're going from most

1562
01:19:14,893 --> 01:19:24,093
Speaker 2: impactful Prime Minister of all time to polygamy only the bees. Polyomory, polyomory, polygamy, No,

1563
01:19:24,173 --> 01:19:28,932
Speaker 2: I think it's polyamory. Polygamy is when polygamy is when

1564
01:19:28,973 --> 01:19:30,012
Speaker 2: you have multiple wives.

1565
01:19:30,293 --> 01:19:30,652
Speaker 15: Ah.

1566
01:19:30,853 --> 01:19:34,652
Speaker 2: Right, polyamory means just loving lots of different people.

1567
01:19:34,692 --> 01:19:37,173
Speaker 3: It's good to clarify that before we get into this discussion.

1568
01:19:37,173 --> 01:19:39,973
Speaker 3: And that's important. But it has a bit but it

1569
01:19:40,013 --> 01:19:44,213
Speaker 3: has been called c n M. Isn't it consensual non monogamy?

1570
01:19:44,372 --> 01:19:48,412
Speaker 3: So interesting that it is becoming more and more of

1571
01:19:48,412 --> 01:19:48,732
Speaker 3: a thing.

1572
01:19:49,053 --> 01:19:51,372
Speaker 2: Is it possible? Is it even possible to pull that up?

1573
01:19:51,452 --> 01:19:54,652
Speaker 2: I mean things can happen bigger partner things can happen,

1574
01:19:56,893 --> 01:19:59,612
Speaker 2: you know, over a six month period, a one night,

1575
01:19:59,812 --> 01:20:04,013
Speaker 2: six months a year. Is it possible to have this

1576
01:20:04,133 --> 01:20:07,173
Speaker 2: kind of thing going on for a long time? And

1577
01:20:07,452 --> 01:20:10,973
Speaker 2: if your partner came to you, Tyler and said I

1578
01:20:10,973 --> 01:20:14,612
Speaker 2: am interested in an open relationship, what would you say.

1579
01:20:14,612 --> 01:20:19,732
Speaker 3: I'd say I'm listening. No, I'd say, hell no, I

1580
01:20:19,812 --> 01:20:21,772
Speaker 3: just don't think that could work. I just think that's

1581
01:20:21,812 --> 01:20:23,012
Speaker 3: a recipe for disaster.

1582
01:20:23,333 --> 01:20:25,973
Speaker 2: What if she said, I'm open to you having an

1583
01:20:26,013 --> 01:20:28,693
Speaker 2: open relationship, but I'm just going to stay monogamous.

1584
01:20:28,732 --> 01:20:31,652
Speaker 3: Oh that's very different, isn't it. That's very generous to her.

1585
01:20:31,732 --> 01:20:34,093
Speaker 2: That doesn't seem to be the conversation anyone seems to

1586
01:20:34,133 --> 01:20:37,333
Speaker 2: have when they well, actually that's not true. There's a

1587
01:20:37,333 --> 01:20:40,372
Speaker 2: few texts coming through and that I won't read out

1588
01:20:40,372 --> 01:20:43,412
Speaker 2: there there is there's there's people that are into everything.

1589
01:20:43,492 --> 01:20:44,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's true.

1590
01:20:44,532 --> 01:20:46,412
Speaker 2: But what does it mean for property law?

1591
01:20:47,333 --> 01:20:47,932
Speaker 3: Good question?

1592
01:20:48,213 --> 01:20:50,892
Speaker 2: If it becomes a serious thing, If you have three

1593
01:20:50,933 --> 01:20:54,052
Speaker 2: people in a relationship and it becomes a serious thing.

1594
01:20:54,093 --> 01:20:56,093
Speaker 3: Well they would have rights, wouldn't they? I imagine if

1595
01:20:56,093 --> 01:20:57,012
Speaker 3: it's long enough.

1596
01:20:57,293 --> 01:20:59,333
Speaker 2: But I guess the question is here. Oh wait, one

1597
01:20:59,412 --> 01:21:02,133
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is it ever possible to

1598
01:21:02,253 --> 01:21:07,372
Speaker 2: run a successful open marriage or open relationship? Has that

1599
01:21:07,612 --> 01:21:13,253
Speaker 2: ever been successfully achieved? Because I think on a lot

1600
01:21:13,293 --> 01:21:15,093
Speaker 2: of occasions, you might go out and go I want

1601
01:21:15,133 --> 01:21:18,452
Speaker 2: an open relationship, then your missus is yeah, okay, let's

1602
01:21:18,452 --> 01:21:20,093
Speaker 2: do it. And then suddenly your missus is getting a

1603
01:21:20,093 --> 01:21:21,652
Speaker 2: lot of action, you're not getting any at all, and

1604
01:21:21,692 --> 01:21:25,013
Speaker 2: then maybe you turn against the open relationship. Imagine it's

1605
01:21:25,013 --> 01:21:27,213
Speaker 2: pretty I think a lot of people sit in relationships

1606
01:21:27,213 --> 01:21:28,892
Speaker 2: and think, oh, there's so many people that are into me.

1607
01:21:29,372 --> 01:21:32,293
Speaker 2: Oh my god. If I just was single, imagine how

1608
01:21:32,293 --> 01:21:34,492
Speaker 2: many people would be into me, and then they've become

1609
01:21:34,532 --> 01:21:37,213
Speaker 2: single and they realize they were all imentioninary people and

1610
01:21:37,333 --> 01:21:37,972
Speaker 2: no one's int here.

1611
01:21:38,093 --> 01:21:40,972
Speaker 3: The reality doesn't work out. Oh, eight, one hundred eighty

1612
01:21:41,013 --> 01:21:44,493
Speaker 3: ten eighty curious too, If you've undertaken an open relationship,

1613
01:21:44,692 --> 01:21:46,572
Speaker 3: how did it work and did it work out in

1614
01:21:46,612 --> 01:21:49,053
Speaker 3: the long run? Are you currently in an open relationship?

1615
01:21:49,293 --> 01:21:51,892
Speaker 3: Nine two ninety two is the text number. We've also

1616
01:21:51,933 --> 01:21:53,692
Speaker 3: got to say. The idea of taking a break, I

1617
01:21:53,732 --> 01:21:57,173
Speaker 3: know that is pretty common with couples, but that, to me,

1618
01:21:57,253 --> 01:21:59,133
Speaker 3: I think would even be too much that if there was,

1619
01:21:59,253 --> 01:22:01,933
Speaker 3: you know, a bit of trouble in the relationship and

1620
01:22:01,973 --> 01:22:04,052
Speaker 3: then there was that conversation we should take a break

1621
01:22:04,053 --> 01:22:06,452
Speaker 3: for three months and go and do whatever we want

1622
01:22:06,452 --> 01:22:08,173
Speaker 3: to do and then come back at the end of

1623
01:22:08,213 --> 01:22:09,892
Speaker 3: the and see if we can figure things out.

1624
01:22:09,973 --> 01:22:12,333
Speaker 2: Even that, to me, it'll be like, I don't know

1625
01:22:12,333 --> 01:22:14,293
Speaker 2: if I can play that game. Let's break up for

1626
01:22:14,333 --> 01:22:16,412
Speaker 2: three months, go off and do whatever you want to

1627
01:22:16,452 --> 01:22:18,492
Speaker 2: do for three months, and then let's argue about what

1628
01:22:18,572 --> 01:22:20,812
Speaker 2: you did for three months for the rest of our life. Yeah, yeah,

1629
01:22:20,893 --> 01:22:23,492
Speaker 2: it sounds about right. It sounds beang on. If someone

1630
01:22:23,492 --> 01:22:25,412
Speaker 2: wants to have an open relationship. Does that mean that

1631
01:22:25,452 --> 01:22:28,572
Speaker 2: they don't love you as much as they did? Is

1632
01:22:29,333 --> 01:22:31,372
Speaker 2: that what it means? Or Am I just taking a

1633
01:22:31,492 --> 01:22:35,372
Speaker 2: very immature approach to something that's more complicated than that.

1634
01:22:35,372 --> 01:22:40,333
Speaker 2: That now has a name consensual non monogamy. Yeah, because

1635
01:22:40,372 --> 01:22:43,492
Speaker 2: these people say the important part is the consensual because

1636
01:22:44,213 --> 01:22:47,492
Speaker 2: of course, because if you're running a non monogamous relationship.

1637
01:22:47,692 --> 01:22:50,412
Speaker 2: In a monogamous relationship, that's called cheating. Yeah, yeah, spot,

1638
01:22:50,973 --> 01:22:52,852
Speaker 2: Have you en't been honest about it? That's called cheating,

1639
01:22:52,893 --> 01:22:53,213
Speaker 2: isn't it?

1640
01:22:53,253 --> 01:22:55,612
Speaker 3: Come on through? Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is

1641
01:22:55,652 --> 01:22:58,412
Speaker 3: the number to call love to hear from you your experiences,

1642
01:22:58,492 --> 01:23:01,492
Speaker 3: has it worked for you, and has it fixed potentially

1643
01:23:01,532 --> 01:23:03,732
Speaker 3: a relationship that may be on the rocks. Nine two

1644
01:23:03,812 --> 01:23:06,012
Speaker 3: ninety two is the text number. It is eleven past

1645
01:23:06,053 --> 01:23:09,053
Speaker 3: three US talks that'd be good after. So we're talking

1646
01:23:09,053 --> 01:23:11,372
Speaker 3: about the idea of an open relationship, wants as a

1647
01:23:11,452 --> 01:23:14,692
Speaker 3: boo and it's fair to say most people are in

1648
01:23:15,893 --> 01:23:20,013
Speaker 3: monogamous relationships, but more and more people are having a

1649
01:23:20,093 --> 01:23:21,213
Speaker 3: chat about making it open.

1650
01:23:21,293 --> 01:23:25,293
Speaker 2: Now this is directed that you, Tyler after your lude

1651
01:23:25,293 --> 01:23:27,173
Speaker 2: comments at the end of last hour. I mean they

1652
01:23:27,173 --> 01:23:30,452
Speaker 2: were accidentally ludea of the time about King Dick quite

1653
01:23:30,492 --> 01:23:32,372
Speaker 2: apt though, I will say, yeah, well, I'm not going

1654
01:23:32,372 --> 01:23:34,892
Speaker 2: to go into what you said, but said a lot

1655
01:23:34,933 --> 01:23:37,253
Speaker 2: about you that that's what accidentally came out in a

1656
01:23:37,293 --> 01:23:40,053
Speaker 2: Freudian way. But the sex says, boys, what's up with

1657
01:23:40,053 --> 01:23:42,253
Speaker 2: having this conversation after school? Damn just picked up my

1658
01:23:42,293 --> 01:23:44,812
Speaker 2: eight year old son. Can't have him listen to this, lols.

1659
01:23:45,293 --> 01:23:48,973
Speaker 2: Let's get so just talk around the issue. Yeah, we'll

1660
01:23:49,053 --> 01:23:50,812
Speaker 2: keep it because because this is a school pickup time.

1661
01:23:50,853 --> 01:23:54,532
Speaker 2: Okay it is, yes, so make its listening. You're natural

1662
01:23:54,572 --> 01:23:56,612
Speaker 2: tendency to make it blue. I think you need to

1663
01:23:56,652 --> 01:23:58,572
Speaker 2: fight that back. I will keep it clean, and I

1664
01:23:58,612 --> 01:24:02,772
Speaker 2: think Craig has done this perfectly. Okay, guys, some mornings

1665
01:24:02,772 --> 01:24:05,213
Speaker 2: you might like wheatbooks for breakfast. Some mornings you might

1666
01:24:05,293 --> 01:24:07,412
Speaker 2: like corn flax. Does that mean that you don't like

1667
01:24:07,452 --> 01:24:09,772
Speaker 2: weetbooks just because sometimes you like corn flakes?

1668
01:24:10,093 --> 01:24:15,133
Speaker 3: Beautifully said Greg. That sums it up nicely, romantic.

1669
01:24:16,452 --> 01:24:21,812
Speaker 2: Mike, Welcome to the show, guys. Good. So you know

1670
01:24:21,973 --> 01:24:24,812
Speaker 2: someone that's thriving in a thruftle situation? Is that right?

1671
01:24:25,612 --> 01:24:29,852
Speaker 26: Yeah? Yeah, so Susan A, Yeah, thriving it's going pretty well.

1672
01:24:29,973 --> 01:24:33,293
Speaker 26: So they lived together. So they all they dated for

1673
01:24:33,333 --> 01:24:36,012
Speaker 26: a little bit and now they all they all lived together.

1674
01:24:36,253 --> 01:24:40,853
Speaker 2: So they dated, so they what's the makeup.

1675
01:24:40,532 --> 01:24:43,652
Speaker 26: Of the They ate they corn flakes and then ate,

1676
01:24:43,893 --> 01:24:48,492
Speaker 26: you know, weak, and then they decided, hey, let's makes

1677
01:24:48,572 --> 01:24:49,772
Speaker 26: us a permanent thing. And then so.

1678
01:24:49,772 --> 01:24:52,293
Speaker 2: They fix them all together in the bowl at the

1679
01:24:52,333 --> 01:24:59,053
Speaker 2: same time and throw some porridge on top. Why not now, now, Mike, So, so,

1680
01:24:59,133 --> 01:25:01,213
Speaker 2: what is the makeup of this? Is this a if

1681
01:25:01,412 --> 01:25:02,532
Speaker 2: M M type situation?

1682
01:25:03,772 --> 01:25:08,012
Speaker 26: It's if if him? So he's got it pretty he's

1683
01:25:08,053 --> 01:25:09,812
Speaker 26: got a pretty sweet depending on which way you.

1684
01:25:09,732 --> 01:25:14,572
Speaker 2: Look at it, and does that and so and they

1685
01:25:14,612 --> 01:25:17,692
Speaker 2: started dating. Did one start dating the other and then

1686
01:25:17,692 --> 01:25:19,293
Speaker 2: they bought the other one in or did it start

1687
01:25:19,372 --> 01:25:21,053
Speaker 2: right from as a as a.

1688
01:25:22,812 --> 01:25:25,892
Speaker 26: So it was it was a just a whatever you

1689
01:25:25,893 --> 01:25:27,772
Speaker 26: want to call it, a stop standard couple of a

1690
01:25:27,893 --> 01:25:31,812
Speaker 26: male and a female and then my just a female

1691
01:25:31,893 --> 01:25:36,412
Speaker 26: friend of mine, like like that kind of stuff. And

1692
01:25:37,293 --> 01:25:40,293
Speaker 26: they met, and so yeah, they started the three of

1693
01:25:40,333 --> 01:25:42,732
Speaker 26: them started hanging out and dating and so on, and

1694
01:25:42,772 --> 01:25:45,013
Speaker 26: then they decided, you know, we all actually really like

1695
01:25:45,093 --> 01:25:48,852
Speaker 26: each other. Wow, we're mature about this. And so now

1696
01:25:48,853 --> 01:25:50,852
Speaker 26: they're looking at it, but just quickly because I don't

1697
01:25:50,853 --> 01:25:51,892
Speaker 26: want to take up too much of your.

1698
01:25:51,853 --> 01:25:54,253
Speaker 2: Time, taking as much time as you want.

1699
01:25:55,812 --> 01:25:59,532
Speaker 26: But I think, you know, especially in this well, the

1700
01:25:59,612 --> 01:26:01,852
Speaker 26: era that we're in now, that this modern top or

1701
01:26:01,893 --> 01:26:04,173
Speaker 26: whatever you want to call it, the modern fie, you know,

1702
01:26:04,293 --> 01:26:09,692
Speaker 26: some of those that traditional belief of one person or

1703
01:26:09,893 --> 01:26:14,333
Speaker 26: one one six kind of thing, those kind of you know,

1704
01:26:14,372 --> 01:26:16,173
Speaker 26: we've got to be a bit more open these days.

1705
01:26:16,213 --> 01:26:16,612
Speaker 2: Everybody.

1706
01:26:16,652 --> 01:26:19,293
Speaker 26: There's a lot of like freedom is a lot more

1707
01:26:19,293 --> 01:26:20,333
Speaker 26: easier to come by.

1708
01:26:21,093 --> 01:26:21,572
Speaker 18: And.

1709
01:26:23,013 --> 01:26:26,333
Speaker 26: You know, and so what if there's if you wanted that,

1710
01:26:26,492 --> 01:26:30,412
Speaker 26: but also think that you know, we don't you know,

1711
01:26:30,452 --> 01:26:32,772
Speaker 26: if we're married to someone or dating someone long term,

1712
01:26:32,772 --> 01:26:36,612
Speaker 26: we're not. We don't own that person. And if they

1713
01:26:36,812 --> 01:26:39,892
Speaker 26: decide hey listen, I want to try this, or what

1714
01:26:39,933 --> 01:26:42,372
Speaker 26: do you think about this? And the communication is there,

1715
01:26:42,652 --> 01:26:46,213
Speaker 26: then what's holding what's holding that back? If both both

1716
01:26:46,213 --> 01:26:49,133
Speaker 26: parties are you know, they have a good, you know,

1717
01:26:49,213 --> 01:26:52,892
Speaker 26: good comms about it, then then what the what If

1718
01:26:52,933 --> 01:26:54,892
Speaker 26: you have an issue with it, then you need to

1719
01:26:55,133 --> 01:26:58,012
Speaker 26: you need to let that person know and maybe you

1720
01:26:58,013 --> 01:27:00,012
Speaker 26: you know, I don't know, it comes to a compromise

1721
01:27:00,093 --> 01:27:01,852
Speaker 26: and maybe your time is done.

1722
01:27:02,412 --> 01:27:06,213
Speaker 2: Yeah you know that. Yeah, well I guess I guess

1723
01:27:06,253 --> 01:27:11,892
Speaker 2: that's that would be the situation that where it gets difficult, right,

1724
01:27:12,013 --> 01:27:15,572
Speaker 2: because say someone came to you. So let's say say

1725
01:27:16,013 --> 01:27:17,652
Speaker 2: if there's a man and a woman and the man

1726
01:27:17,732 --> 01:27:20,533
Speaker 2: comes to the woman and says, I want an open relationship,

1727
01:27:20,933 --> 01:27:23,093
Speaker 2: then they're to put it in the position of overgoing.

1728
01:27:24,053 --> 01:27:29,492
Speaker 2: Yeah that's cool, or this is over and that's that's

1729
01:27:29,532 --> 01:27:32,052
Speaker 2: a tough position to be in, isn't it sure?

1730
01:27:32,093 --> 01:27:34,293
Speaker 26: But you yeah, sure it is. But you don't own

1731
01:27:34,333 --> 01:27:36,372
Speaker 26: that person. And if that's what hey, listen, you know

1732
01:27:36,452 --> 01:27:38,732
Speaker 26: my life has changed. I want to change jobs. I've

1733
01:27:38,732 --> 01:27:41,372
Speaker 26: been doing this job for twenty twenty years. I want

1734
01:27:41,412 --> 01:27:44,333
Speaker 26: to change jobs. Sure it's a slightly different to a job.

1735
01:27:44,372 --> 01:27:46,132
Speaker 26: But you don't own that person.

1736
01:27:46,213 --> 01:27:48,772
Speaker 2: What about after a marriage, Like, if you're married, though,

1737
01:27:48,893 --> 01:27:51,372
Speaker 2: haven't you made a commitment to just be with that

1738
01:27:51,372 --> 01:27:55,652
Speaker 2: that one person and have them be the subject of

1739
01:27:55,692 --> 01:27:57,053
Speaker 2: your attentions.

1740
01:27:57,333 --> 01:28:01,532
Speaker 26: Through through thick and thin? Yeah, through whatever, you know,

1741
01:28:01,572 --> 01:28:06,173
Speaker 26: but ever, I mean, it's a you know, I think

1742
01:28:06,213 --> 01:28:09,892
Speaker 26: it's I still stand by, you know, whether you're married

1743
01:28:09,973 --> 01:28:12,372
Speaker 26: or not, I still stand by. You can still celebrate

1744
01:28:12,372 --> 01:28:14,852
Speaker 26: marriage in the other ways, yep, But I think if

1745
01:28:15,492 --> 01:28:16,852
Speaker 26: you do, you think, do.

1746
01:28:16,732 --> 01:28:18,732
Speaker 2: You think you could handle it? Mike though, because my

1747
01:28:19,013 --> 01:28:22,532
Speaker 2: I question and maybe I agree with you on like,

1748
01:28:22,612 --> 01:28:25,772
Speaker 2: let's say, on a philosophical level, but I don't think

1749
01:28:25,893 --> 01:28:30,093
Speaker 2: I maybe I'm not big enough for whatever. I don't

1750
01:28:30,093 --> 01:28:34,333
Speaker 2: mean like that. I may maybe I'm not like emotionally

1751
01:28:34,492 --> 01:28:38,532
Speaker 2: powerful enough, but I wouldn't go for it. I'll be like, no,

1752
01:28:38,732 --> 01:28:40,133
Speaker 2: this is over. If you if you want, if you

1753
01:28:40,133 --> 01:28:42,892
Speaker 2: want to be with other people, then then then that's

1754
01:28:42,893 --> 01:28:43,492
Speaker 2: a different thing.

1755
01:28:45,093 --> 01:28:48,093
Speaker 26: I think. Yeah, I think I could always I've had

1756
01:28:48,652 --> 01:28:51,213
Speaker 26: some solid conversations with my last partner about it.

1757
01:28:51,372 --> 01:28:51,612
Speaker 2: Yep.

1758
01:28:52,572 --> 01:28:57,213
Speaker 26: I think and this, look, there's nothing wrong with saying, look,

1759
01:28:57,253 --> 01:28:59,093
Speaker 26: this isn't for me, you know, if you want to

1760
01:28:59,133 --> 01:29:02,253
Speaker 26: do that, hey man, go for gold. You know, like,

1761
01:29:02,372 --> 01:29:06,692
Speaker 26: who are you to stop that person doing what they

1762
01:29:06,772 --> 01:29:07,133
Speaker 26: want to do.

1763
01:29:07,333 --> 01:29:10,572
Speaker 3: It's a fair point. I mean, now that you mentioned that, Mike,

1764
01:29:10,612 --> 01:29:13,132
Speaker 3: if I was in that situation, I'd prefer the partner

1765
01:29:13,173 --> 01:29:15,333
Speaker 3: to be honest, and then I'd probably make the call

1766
01:29:15,412 --> 01:29:17,213
Speaker 3: look not for me. If you're really strong on that,

1767
01:29:17,293 --> 01:29:20,133
Speaker 3: then we might have to end things rather than them

1768
01:29:20,173 --> 01:29:21,572
Speaker 3: going and doing the duty on this side.

1769
01:29:21,572 --> 01:29:23,333
Speaker 2: But do you think that would be Do you think

1770
01:29:23,333 --> 01:29:26,052
Speaker 2: that's unfair in a way? So the person who really

1771
01:29:26,133 --> 01:29:30,692
Speaker 2: wants to open up the relationship, but still, you know,

1772
01:29:30,973 --> 01:29:33,692
Speaker 2: can you like, if that's important to them, is it

1773
01:29:34,412 --> 01:29:36,173
Speaker 2: unfair to not let them do it?

1774
01:29:36,492 --> 01:29:38,173
Speaker 3: That's a fair point, because then I'd make it pretty

1775
01:29:38,173 --> 01:29:40,053
Speaker 3: clear that I think this is a deal breaker for me.

1776
01:29:40,253 --> 01:29:42,692
Speaker 3: So I'm sorry, I can't do this. So it's either

1777
01:29:42,772 --> 01:29:46,293
Speaker 3: me or your open relationship. And if they chose that,

1778
01:29:46,333 --> 01:29:48,173
Speaker 3: then it was never going to work out in any way.

1779
01:29:49,253 --> 01:29:53,012
Speaker 26: Correct, correct, Yeah, but you know you're always learning about

1780
01:29:53,013 --> 01:30:00,133
Speaker 26: the other person, and you know if you don't try it.

1781
01:29:59,013 --> 01:30:01,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's complex. Thanks to you, call Mike. This person's

1782
01:30:02,013 --> 01:30:05,173
Speaker 2: complaints being made currently this is an absolutely unacceptable topic

1783
01:30:05,213 --> 01:30:07,293
Speaker 2: for this time of day. My kids have now heard

1784
01:30:07,333 --> 01:30:10,653
Speaker 2: and asked questions. Absolutely unacceptable.

1785
01:30:10,732 --> 01:30:11,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry about that.

1786
01:30:11,652 --> 01:30:12,812
Speaker 2: Complaints being made to who?

1787
01:30:13,652 --> 01:30:16,572
Speaker 3: Well yeah, well good point is the going right to

1788
01:30:16,612 --> 01:30:16,972
Speaker 3: the top.

1789
01:30:17,492 --> 01:30:18,173
Speaker 2: Who's the top?

1790
01:30:18,412 --> 01:30:18,692
Speaker 8: You what?

1791
01:30:19,093 --> 01:30:20,492
Speaker 2: Good question? The governor general?

1792
01:30:21,253 --> 01:30:25,213
Speaker 3: Well we're in trouble in that case, not the governor general. Look,

1793
01:30:25,253 --> 01:30:27,572
Speaker 3: kids are going to ask questions, and I'm glad we

1794
01:30:27,612 --> 01:30:28,692
Speaker 3: could facilitate that for you.

1795
01:30:28,853 --> 01:30:30,133
Speaker 2: If you want to live in a world where kids

1796
01:30:30,133 --> 01:30:32,572
Speaker 2: aren't going to ask questions than you are. Yeah, you're

1797
01:30:32,612 --> 01:30:34,052
Speaker 2: in trouble. You're not living in this world.

1798
01:30:34,452 --> 01:30:36,612
Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

1799
01:30:36,652 --> 01:30:39,293
Speaker 3: to call open relationships. Have you had that conversation in

1800
01:30:39,333 --> 01:30:41,932
Speaker 3: your own relationship and has it worked? Love to hear

1801
01:30:41,973 --> 01:30:43,692
Speaker 3: from you. Nine to ninety two is the text number.

1802
01:30:43,732 --> 01:30:51,012
Speaker 27: Twenty one past three, Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call

1803
01:30:51,133 --> 01:30:53,812
Speaker 27: oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on News Talks The

1804
01:30:54,133 --> 01:30:54,852
Speaker 27: Very Good Afternoons.

1805
01:30:54,893 --> 01:30:57,013
Speaker 3: You're twenty four past three. So we're talking about the

1806
01:30:57,013 --> 01:31:00,253
Speaker 3: idea of open relationships. It's getting more and more mainstream.

1807
01:31:00,333 --> 01:31:02,932
Speaker 3: According to a you gov survey, one in four people

1808
01:31:02,973 --> 01:31:06,213
Speaker 3: twenty five percent say they've been involved in a in

1809
01:31:06,253 --> 01:31:08,692
Speaker 3: an open relationship at some point in their lives. In

1810
01:31:08,692 --> 01:31:11,293
Speaker 3: a New Zealand, fifteen percent of couples have either tried

1811
01:31:11,452 --> 01:31:14,532
Speaker 3: or currently practiced open relationships. So if that's you, oh

1812
01:31:14,532 --> 01:31:16,293
Speaker 3: e one hundred and eighty ten eighty, or if you

1813
01:31:16,333 --> 01:31:18,253
Speaker 3: want to come on the other side and you think

1814
01:31:18,492 --> 01:31:21,013
Speaker 3: an open relationship can never work by all means, come through.

1815
01:31:21,093 --> 01:31:24,012
Speaker 3: Nine two nine two is the text number. Get Alex,

1816
01:31:25,612 --> 01:31:28,372
Speaker 3: Hello there, Tyler how are you very good? So what

1817
01:31:28,372 --> 01:31:29,333
Speaker 3: do you reckon about this one?

1818
01:31:29,452 --> 01:31:30,013
Speaker 16: Excellent?

1819
01:31:30,372 --> 01:31:31,972
Speaker 28: Well, I just want to put out a little morning

1820
01:31:32,013 --> 01:31:34,333
Speaker 28: before I say anything. There's any children under the age

1821
01:31:34,372 --> 01:31:38,652
Speaker 28: of sixteen, now's the time to change the channel. That's

1822
01:31:38,652 --> 01:31:40,652
Speaker 28: how you get That's how you stop them from listening

1823
01:31:40,732 --> 01:31:42,612
Speaker 28: to what you don't want them to hear not moaning

1824
01:31:42,652 --> 01:31:43,893
Speaker 28: at the radio station.

1825
01:31:44,093 --> 01:31:45,012
Speaker 3: Nicely said Alex.

1826
01:31:46,372 --> 01:31:48,452
Speaker 2: It's hard to silence, Well, isn't it. It's hard to

1827
01:31:48,452 --> 01:31:49,173
Speaker 2: silence the world.

1828
01:31:49,372 --> 01:31:50,732
Speaker 13: Yeah, it does.

1829
01:31:51,372 --> 01:31:53,692
Speaker 28: There's a lot of truth in the men are from

1830
01:31:53,692 --> 01:31:55,692
Speaker 28: Mars and the women are from Venus when it comes

1831
01:31:55,692 --> 01:32:01,612
Speaker 28: to these things, because the two sexes are built totally

1832
01:32:01,652 --> 01:32:04,772
Speaker 28: differently on an emotional level and on a physical level.

1833
01:32:05,333 --> 01:32:11,852
Speaker 28: And gay relationships relationships you will find much easier at

1834
01:32:11,933 --> 01:32:19,692
Speaker 28: having open relationships because the the the the men look

1835
01:32:19,772 --> 01:32:24,253
Speaker 28: for satisfaction, women look for love. And that is to

1836
01:32:24,293 --> 01:32:27,412
Speaker 28: me the essential difference, and that men can part easily

1837
01:32:27,412 --> 01:32:30,732
Speaker 28: go out and do it purely for the physical side

1838
01:32:30,732 --> 01:32:35,093
Speaker 28: of it, but for women it is essentially an emotional experience,

1839
01:32:35,612 --> 01:32:39,052
Speaker 28: and for to try and introduce that into a hepro

1840
01:32:39,253 --> 01:32:42,132
Speaker 28: relationship I think would be extremely difficult.

1841
01:32:43,173 --> 01:32:46,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and do you think that might be biologically speaking,

1842
01:32:46,772 --> 01:32:53,892
Speaker 2: because you know, a if a woman is of child

1843
01:32:53,933 --> 01:32:57,612
Speaker 2: with child, then that's nine months of and needing. You know,

1844
01:32:57,692 --> 01:33:00,572
Speaker 2: that's that's a potentially a much bigger commitment of time

1845
01:33:01,133 --> 01:33:06,772
Speaker 2: and in energy and also need for protection over that

1846
01:33:06,933 --> 01:33:12,053
Speaker 2: time then then than male. So biologically speaking, that those

1847
01:33:12,093 --> 01:33:17,293
Speaker 2: strategies have evolved in that sort of fashion. I'm talking.

1848
01:33:18,293 --> 01:33:19,333
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know what I said.

1849
01:33:19,333 --> 01:33:22,452
Speaker 3: There's listening anymore, you can go loud.

1850
01:33:22,532 --> 01:33:24,372
Speaker 2: They were listening to being bored senseless by the way

1851
01:33:24,372 --> 01:33:26,093
Speaker 2: I described that.

1852
01:33:27,572 --> 01:33:30,213
Speaker 28: Matt, I'll try and wade my way through that. I've

1853
01:33:30,253 --> 01:33:34,492
Speaker 28: never had the experience of being in a partner where

1854
01:33:34,572 --> 01:33:39,173
Speaker 28: children are on the way, so being in a gay relationship,

1855
01:33:39,253 --> 01:33:42,253
Speaker 28: it doesn't happen. But yeah, there is going to be

1856
01:33:42,293 --> 01:33:46,692
Speaker 28: a lot more emotional support required from the male to

1857
01:33:46,772 --> 01:33:48,892
Speaker 28: the female when that situation happens.

1858
01:33:48,893 --> 01:33:49,173
Speaker 11: For men.

1859
01:33:49,213 --> 01:33:51,692
Speaker 28: To put that aside, we're now talking purely about a

1860
01:33:51,692 --> 01:33:56,492
Speaker 28: sexual aspect, and to me that even in that situation, yes,

1861
01:33:56,612 --> 01:34:00,012
Speaker 28: that the female is looking for satisfaction, but it comes

1862
01:34:00,053 --> 01:34:01,773
Speaker 28: with more of an emotional attachment.

1863
01:34:02,692 --> 01:34:04,612
Speaker 3: But what it does for the male, But what about

1864
01:34:04,652 --> 01:34:07,213
Speaker 3: the jealousy side of things? Alex and that's generally why

1865
01:34:07,333 --> 01:34:09,893
Speaker 3: I just couldn't in an open relationship because of the

1866
01:34:09,973 --> 01:34:12,452
Speaker 3: jealousy aspects. And that's a flow of my character. I

1867
01:34:12,492 --> 01:34:15,333
Speaker 3: accept that, but surely that plays a part. Even with

1868
01:34:16,532 --> 01:34:19,652
Speaker 3: gay couples like yourself, there must be a jealousy element

1869
01:34:19,692 --> 01:34:21,412
Speaker 3: that would pop up sometimes.

1870
01:34:22,372 --> 01:34:25,013
Speaker 28: Well, you know, funny you should say that because my

1871
01:34:25,173 --> 01:34:27,932
Speaker 28: partner and I have been together thirty four years this month,

1872
01:34:29,253 --> 01:34:33,892
Speaker 28: and when we first started out, I said to him

1873
01:34:34,133 --> 01:34:35,892
Speaker 28: the one thing that we need to be careful of

1874
01:34:36,853 --> 01:34:39,933
Speaker 28: is jealousy because I'm a bit of a flirt. I

1875
01:34:40,093 --> 01:34:44,532
Speaker 28: like to play around and don't get jealous because that

1876
01:34:44,572 --> 01:34:47,612
Speaker 28: will destroy us. And we've kept that mantra for the

1877
01:34:47,692 --> 01:34:51,372
Speaker 28: last thirty four years and it's worked. We don't have

1878
01:34:51,412 --> 01:34:56,853
Speaker 28: an open relationship as such that we don't bring partners

1879
01:34:56,893 --> 01:35:01,973
Speaker 28: into our own existence or into our own environment, but

1880
01:35:02,412 --> 01:35:06,053
Speaker 28: there have been playtimes in the past and it's all

1881
01:35:06,093 --> 01:35:10,372
Speaker 28: been done consensually and enjoyably for both of us.

1882
01:35:10,732 --> 01:35:14,972
Speaker 2: Now, Alex, congratulations on thirty four years. That's fantastic. Now

1883
01:35:15,452 --> 01:35:18,893
Speaker 2: I'm going to open a Pandora's box of worms. I

1884
01:35:18,893 --> 01:35:22,172
Speaker 2: don't know if that's to say, but I was following

1885
01:35:22,173 --> 01:35:25,052
Speaker 2: the comedian Jim Jefferies, the Australian comedian, and I thought,

1886
01:35:25,333 --> 01:35:28,093
Speaker 2: maybe you're not a way on this topic. And he's

1887
01:35:28,133 --> 01:35:32,652
Speaker 2: talking about marriage and he said the shortest lasting marriage

1888
01:35:32,692 --> 01:35:36,852
Speaker 2: are woman woman marriages, the second shortest lasting marriages are

1889
01:35:37,093 --> 01:35:41,253
Speaker 2: men women marriages, and the longest lasting marriages statistically are

1890
01:35:42,692 --> 01:35:46,572
Speaker 2: male gay marriages. Why would you think that would be.

1891
01:35:48,452 --> 01:35:51,093
Speaker 28: Well, I think it comes back to what I've been

1892
01:35:51,133 --> 01:35:55,612
Speaker 28: saying is that men don't have that jealousy factor. They aren't.

1893
01:35:56,572 --> 01:36:00,692
Speaker 28: They are after the physical without the emotional. So when

1894
01:36:00,732 --> 01:36:03,572
Speaker 28: they go to play outside the relationship, they're not doing

1895
01:36:03,652 --> 01:36:07,133
Speaker 28: it unless, of course the relationship is breaking down. They're

1896
01:36:07,133 --> 01:36:08,732
Speaker 28: not doing it for emotional reasons.

1897
01:36:08,732 --> 01:36:09,013
Speaker 26: They do.

1898
01:36:09,053 --> 01:36:10,532
Speaker 28: It's really for physical reasons.

1899
01:36:10,532 --> 01:36:13,093
Speaker 2: But apart from that, there is a lot of love

1900
01:36:13,093 --> 01:36:13,933
Speaker 2: in your relationship.

1901
01:36:13,973 --> 01:36:18,213
Speaker 28: Alex Oh, absolutely, yeah, but the love.

1902
01:36:18,732 --> 01:36:22,572
Speaker 2: The love isn't as strictly tied to the physical side

1903
01:36:22,652 --> 01:36:23,293
Speaker 2: as it might be.

1904
01:36:23,893 --> 01:36:25,093
Speaker 12: No, yeah, no, it's not.

1905
01:36:25,452 --> 01:36:26,372
Speaker 2: Well, very interesting.

1906
01:36:27,492 --> 01:36:32,092
Speaker 28: What you commented about a female lesbian relationships being the

1907
01:36:32,093 --> 01:36:35,812
Speaker 28: shortest is amusing because we have a saying, oh I

1908
01:36:35,853 --> 01:36:39,172
Speaker 28: ever say that with a lesbian couple on the second

1909
01:36:39,253 --> 01:36:45,253
Speaker 28: date they move in together. For women, it happens that

1910
01:36:45,293 --> 01:36:48,732
Speaker 28: way because of the emotional contact. It's like we go

1911
01:36:48,772 --> 01:36:50,492
Speaker 28: on the first date, the second date, I'm moving in

1912
01:36:50,732 --> 01:36:52,092
Speaker 28: with men, that doesn't happen.

1913
01:36:52,333 --> 01:36:54,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you so much for your insights, Alex.

1914
01:36:55,333 --> 01:36:58,093
Speaker 2: What do you think, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty, Yeah,

1915
01:36:58,133 --> 01:36:59,293
Speaker 2: it's a very interesting topic.

1916
01:36:59,412 --> 01:37:02,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, great caller, Alex. Open relationships, Yeah or nay? Can

1917
01:37:02,333 --> 01:37:03,052
Speaker 3: they ever work?

1918
01:37:03,572 --> 01:37:03,972
Speaker 2: Clearly?

1919
01:37:04,013 --> 01:37:06,133
Speaker 3: Alex says that they can work. So what do you

1920
01:37:06,173 --> 01:37:08,572
Speaker 3: say to that? It is bang on half past three,

1921
01:37:08,572 --> 01:37:09,892
Speaker 3: headlines with railing coming.

1922
01:37:09,772 --> 01:37:15,893
Speaker 13: Up, youth talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis

1923
01:37:16,013 --> 01:37:17,772
Speaker 13: it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

1924
01:37:18,133 --> 01:37:22,412
Speaker 14: The governments released the first National Climate Adaptation Framework, a

1925
01:37:22,452 --> 01:37:26,452
Speaker 14: four pillar plan. There will be sixteen actions including responsibilities,

1926
01:37:26,692 --> 01:37:30,932
Speaker 14: risks and investment in resilience. A national flood map will

1927
01:37:30,933 --> 01:37:36,812
Speaker 14: be created and legislation to clarify local government responsibilities. Police

1928
01:37:36,812 --> 01:37:39,772
Speaker 14: have found a woman's red Mitsubishi station wagon in the

1929
01:37:39,853 --> 01:37:44,213
Speaker 14: Ruttudua as they investigate her death in Pahia Tour yesterday.

1930
01:37:44,692 --> 01:37:47,293
Speaker 14: Anyone who saw the vehicle between Pahea Tour and the

1931
01:37:47,372 --> 01:37:52,852
Speaker 14: Rutua registration q GU nine to one should contact police.

1932
01:37:53,652 --> 01:37:57,572
Speaker 14: Auckland University is voted against staff wishes to make its

1933
01:37:57,612 --> 01:38:01,932
Speaker 14: compulsory treaty of white Tongui paper optional. Clean Up from

1934
01:38:01,973 --> 01:38:04,452
Speaker 14: flooding and slips this week continue at pace in the

1935
01:38:04,572 --> 01:38:09,213
Speaker 14: rue Pahu as floodwaters recede. Luapahu District Council says the

1936
01:38:09,253 --> 01:38:14,692
Speaker 14: most affected properties are in Orka Hukuda next to Angodo River,

1937
01:38:14,893 --> 01:38:19,692
Speaker 14: where water flooded a number of homes. Judges call next

1938
01:38:20,053 --> 01:38:24,293
Speaker 14: What's at Stake? After Telly's versus TV and Z trial wraps,

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Speaker 14: you can see more at ENDZT Herald Premium. Back to

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Speaker 14: matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thanks you very much, Raylane. We are talking about open relationships.

1942
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Speaker 3: They are entering into the mainstream. Just to give you

1943
01:38:34,652 --> 01:38:36,972
Speaker 3: some figures, forty three percent of millennials say they're open

1944
01:38:37,053 --> 01:38:40,052
Speaker 3: to the idea, and right here in good old New Zealand,

1945
01:38:40,732 --> 01:38:43,293
Speaker 3: recent studies suggest up to fifteen percent of couples have

1946
01:38:43,372 --> 01:38:46,812
Speaker 3: either tried it or currently practiced open relationships.

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Speaker 2: Where that you'd want a relationship but want to have

1948
01:38:48,333 --> 01:38:51,452
Speaker 2: a player around as well. Where's the bloody commitment? These

1949
01:38:51,492 --> 01:38:56,412
Speaker 2: relationships eventually fail, that's sort I wonder how long they

1950
01:38:56,492 --> 01:39:00,213
Speaker 2: can last? Are high there. I think that all open

1951
01:39:00,253 --> 01:39:03,532
Speaker 2: relationships would not realistically works as this text. There's no

1952
01:39:03,652 --> 01:39:07,053
Speaker 2: way three people can maintain a healthy lifestyle together. What

1953
01:39:07,133 --> 01:39:09,492
Speaker 2: about all the jealousy at tension more to one than

1954
01:39:09,492 --> 01:39:11,612
Speaker 2: the other person. It can't work, I believe, and I

1955
01:39:11,612 --> 01:39:15,612
Speaker 2: think thinking about it seems wrong. But hey, if it

1956
01:39:15,652 --> 01:39:18,732
Speaker 2: looks good for you personally, I don't see how it

1957
01:39:18,732 --> 01:39:20,933
Speaker 2: would work on the real working But who am I

1958
01:39:21,013 --> 01:39:25,452
Speaker 2: to judge? Yeah, I mean, jealousy is a huge thing

1959
01:39:25,492 --> 01:39:30,572
Speaker 2: in relationships, right, Yeah, And imagine if that then is

1960
01:39:30,612 --> 01:39:34,532
Speaker 2: within the relationship, So you start spending a lot more time,

1961
01:39:35,013 --> 01:39:37,652
Speaker 2: whatever type of time that is with one person over

1962
01:39:37,692 --> 01:39:39,692
Speaker 2: the other. Isn't that eventually going to happen or you

1963
01:39:39,772 --> 01:39:41,652
Speaker 2: go through periods or factions will form.

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01:39:41,812 --> 01:39:44,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, eat away if I was ever in that situation,

1965
01:39:44,692 --> 01:39:46,973
Speaker 3: or eat away at me? And again, maybe that is

1966
01:39:47,253 --> 01:39:49,612
Speaker 3: a flaw of my character. But I don't know how

1967
01:39:49,612 --> 01:39:51,692
Speaker 3: to get over there. But I'm willing to admit maybe

1968
01:39:51,732 --> 01:39:55,532
Speaker 3: that is because of societal prescius about that idea of

1969
01:39:55,772 --> 01:39:59,013
Speaker 3: what you're with the woman that you've chosen, and the

1970
01:39:59,013 --> 01:40:02,652
Speaker 3: physical side of that should just be between me and her.

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01:40:02,893 --> 01:40:04,852
Speaker 3: But obviously it's changing, and.

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01:40:05,053 --> 01:40:08,213
Speaker 2: What about the situation where you've got, say, let's say

1973
01:40:08,933 --> 01:40:11,053
Speaker 2: a guy, because I am a guy, so I see

1974
01:40:11,093 --> 01:40:14,293
Speaker 2: the world through that lens, and maybe this guy thinks

1975
01:40:14,412 --> 01:40:19,892
Speaker 2: I would be quite good to have two girlfriends, two wives,

1976
01:40:19,933 --> 01:40:23,372
Speaker 2: two whatevers, and think it's going to be amazing. Then

1977
01:40:23,692 --> 01:40:26,452
Speaker 2: they start getting up on you all of a sudden,

1978
01:40:26,692 --> 01:40:29,812
Speaker 2: they agree on everything, and then you're pariah in your

1979
01:40:29,812 --> 01:40:30,173
Speaker 2: own home.

1980
01:40:30,253 --> 01:40:30,973
Speaker 3: I massively big.

1981
01:40:32,173 --> 01:40:34,213
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think the way people picture these

1982
01:40:34,213 --> 01:40:36,652
Speaker 2: things might be very different from the actuality, the day

1983
01:40:36,692 --> 01:40:40,053
Speaker 2: to day actuality, yeah, you know, and the amount of

1984
01:40:40,093 --> 01:40:42,732
Speaker 2: you know, So in a relationship, it's good when you're

1985
01:40:42,732 --> 01:40:45,812
Speaker 2: both in a good mood and a positive mindset, and

1986
01:40:45,853 --> 01:40:47,852
Speaker 2: that happens most of the time, but then one of

1987
01:40:47,853 --> 01:40:50,053
Speaker 2: it you won't be and that that happens some of

1988
01:40:50,093 --> 01:40:53,852
Speaker 2: the time. And in one of these sort of poly

1989
01:40:53,973 --> 01:40:57,412
Speaker 2: emory relationships with his three involved, is that just mean

1990
01:40:57,452 --> 01:40:59,773
Speaker 2: that more often one of the people in the relationship

1991
01:40:59,853 --> 01:41:01,372
Speaker 2: is going to be in a bad state of mind

1992
01:41:01,412 --> 01:41:03,133
Speaker 2: and making everything visible for everybody else.

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Speaker 3: The third world situation, absolutely, Greg, How are you this afternoon?

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01:41:09,013 --> 01:41:09,412
Speaker 26: I'm good?

1995
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Speaker 3: Thanks, guy, How are you very good? Going to get

1996
01:41:12,093 --> 01:41:13,053
Speaker 3: your thoughts?

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01:41:13,452 --> 01:41:15,973
Speaker 29: Yeah, like I got into the singing scene after my

1998
01:41:16,053 --> 01:41:18,692
Speaker 29: first marriage broke up and sort of just as a

1999
01:41:18,732 --> 01:41:21,412
Speaker 29: single guy not wanting to get into a relationship because

2000
01:41:21,412 --> 01:41:24,612
Speaker 29: I had young kids. But I sort of liked playing

2001
01:41:24,652 --> 01:41:27,293
Speaker 29: hide the sausage, if you don't mean so. I thought

2002
01:41:27,293 --> 01:41:28,812
Speaker 29: it was a good way not to get tied up

2003
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Speaker 29: in a relationship, and the couples that I've played with

2004
01:41:32,452 --> 01:41:37,732
Speaker 29: seemed strong. I also met people who were in a

2005
01:41:37,812 --> 01:41:41,532
Speaker 29: marriage but were sort of playing separately, and that doesn't

2006
01:41:41,532 --> 01:41:44,892
Speaker 29: seem so good. Just by the way you were talking

2007
01:41:45,093 --> 01:41:47,133
Speaker 29: to these ladies, you sort of there was a little

2008
01:41:47,133 --> 01:41:50,092
Speaker 29: bit of a grudgement there. It was really quite interesting.

2009
01:41:50,372 --> 01:41:52,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you think that they were they were they

2010
01:41:52,732 --> 01:41:57,932
Speaker 2: were involved because their partner was involved and thought they

2011
01:41:58,013 --> 01:42:00,573
Speaker 2: should to keep the relationship going. But it wasn't necessarily

2012
01:42:00,652 --> 01:42:03,173
Speaker 2: something that they particularly wanted to do, if you know

2013
01:42:03,173 --> 01:42:03,892
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

2014
01:42:04,692 --> 01:42:07,892
Speaker 29: Absolutely perfect for at least two of the ladies that

2015
01:42:07,933 --> 01:42:09,933
Speaker 29: I was saying, yeah, that's exactly what it was. The

2016
01:42:10,053 --> 01:42:12,133
Speaker 29: sort of they were talking about the husband and how

2017
01:42:12,173 --> 01:42:15,372
Speaker 29: he was doing this thing, and yeah, she thought she'd

2018
01:42:15,372 --> 01:42:18,132
Speaker 29: get into it. But the couples that I saw together,

2019
01:42:18,732 --> 01:42:22,652
Speaker 29: they were really tight. You know that was quite interesting,

2020
01:42:23,652 --> 01:42:24,812
Speaker 29: an interesting part of my life.

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01:42:24,812 --> 01:42:25,412
Speaker 19: Put it that way.

2022
01:42:25,532 --> 01:42:30,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, yeah, you go, I just say bet

2023
01:42:30,253 --> 01:42:30,572
Speaker 2: it wasn't.

2024
01:42:31,893 --> 01:42:34,253
Speaker 29: So then I got in to I met my now

2025
01:42:34,333 --> 01:42:36,973
Speaker 29: current wife, but we sort of talked about what I

2026
01:42:37,053 --> 01:42:40,133
Speaker 29: was up to. I didn't like the idea of us

2027
01:42:40,213 --> 01:42:43,492
Speaker 29: doing it as a couple, and especially not her doing

2028
01:42:43,532 --> 01:42:45,293
Speaker 29: that without me knowing what was going on.

2029
01:42:45,412 --> 01:42:45,612
Speaker 8: You know.

2030
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Speaker 29: It was quite a different dynamic. So yeah, time my

2031
01:42:51,173 --> 01:42:52,092
Speaker 29: life very enjoyable.

2032
01:42:52,213 --> 01:42:57,933
Speaker 3: Would I say, yeah, was any situation where, you know,

2033
01:42:57,933 --> 01:43:00,213
Speaker 3: because you mentioned that the woman that you talk to

2034
01:43:00,293 --> 01:43:03,093
Speaker 3: there and you felt that maybe they were precedent to

2035
01:43:03,372 --> 01:43:05,372
Speaker 3: being a part of that, did you ever get on

2036
01:43:05,412 --> 01:43:06,972
Speaker 3: the wrong side of one of the men who were

2037
01:43:06,973 --> 01:43:12,253
Speaker 3: involved in that community. No, night, So the fellows were

2038
01:43:12,253 --> 01:43:12,572
Speaker 3: all good.

2039
01:43:13,253 --> 01:43:15,812
Speaker 29: One night we were in the room and the husband

2040
01:43:15,893 --> 01:43:18,372
Speaker 29: came home and there was actually.

2041
01:43:20,253 --> 01:43:20,452
Speaker 7: Nice.

2042
01:43:20,973 --> 01:43:27,133
Speaker 2: He wandered off the bees evening. I can imagine that

2043
01:43:27,253 --> 01:43:27,812
Speaker 2: was bizarre.

2044
01:43:27,973 --> 01:43:30,372
Speaker 29: Yeah, he actually he actually poked his head in to

2045
01:43:30,412 --> 01:43:35,052
Speaker 29: say hello, I never found.

2046
01:43:34,853 --> 01:43:38,853
Speaker 30: There anyway, have fun, good night, Yeah, cup of tea.

2047
01:43:40,133 --> 01:43:43,013
Speaker 29: It was exactly.

2048
01:43:45,133 --> 01:43:47,372
Speaker 2: You've seen busy. I'll let you go. You seem busy.

2049
01:43:48,293 --> 01:43:53,253
Speaker 2: Thanks for your call. Greyaeses it's interesting, the whole fascinating world.

2050
01:43:53,333 --> 01:43:54,572
Speaker 2: The whole thing is so interesting.

2051
01:43:54,572 --> 01:43:56,812
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the

2052
01:43:56,893 --> 01:43:59,452
Speaker 3: number of cool open relationships? Have you floated it in

2053
01:43:59,572 --> 01:44:02,652
Speaker 3: your relationship? And how did it go down? Because again,

2054
01:44:02,732 --> 01:44:05,812
Speaker 3: I think when you look at the cheating statistics, and

2055
01:44:05,812 --> 01:44:09,693
Speaker 3: there's a lot of people who stray in a relationship

2056
01:44:09,772 --> 01:44:14,372
Speaker 3: or a marriage, arguably sitting down with your partner and saying, look,

2057
01:44:14,412 --> 01:44:16,532
Speaker 3: we're being married for twenty years now and it's been

2058
01:44:16,532 --> 01:44:19,253
Speaker 3: lovely and I love you more than anything, but I

2059
01:44:19,293 --> 01:44:22,372
Speaker 3: want to I want to open this relationship out and

2060
01:44:22,452 --> 01:44:25,333
Speaker 3: just see what house is going on out there. Surely

2061
01:44:25,412 --> 01:44:27,372
Speaker 3: that is you know, that's a hard conversation here.

2062
01:44:27,732 --> 01:44:30,053
Speaker 2: How is it? How is it? I mean? Is it?

2063
01:44:30,253 --> 01:44:32,532
Speaker 2: Would you be possible to say they want to see

2064
01:44:32,532 --> 01:44:34,933
Speaker 2: what ouse is out there without thinking they want to

2065
01:44:34,973 --> 01:44:36,372
Speaker 2: see if there's something better out there?

2066
01:44:36,973 --> 01:44:37,173
Speaker 12: Yeah?

2067
01:44:37,412 --> 01:44:37,972
Speaker 3: Good points.

2068
01:44:38,452 --> 01:44:41,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you're the person that that's sprung on,

2069
01:44:42,412 --> 01:44:44,372
Speaker 2: I mean, how could you think that they might not

2070
01:44:44,492 --> 01:44:46,532
Speaker 2: just come across the greatest person they've ever met and

2071
01:44:46,532 --> 01:44:48,013
Speaker 2: then you're out of the picture. But then again, I

2072
01:44:48,053 --> 01:44:53,852
Speaker 2: guess you in in a relationship, you should back yourself

2073
01:44:53,973 --> 01:44:58,812
Speaker 2: to be awesome. And if the relationship is just the

2074
01:44:58,812 --> 01:45:01,652
Speaker 2: rest of your life of him walking around going on

2075
01:45:01,652 --> 01:45:04,532
Speaker 2: I wish I was with a bunch of other people.

2076
01:45:04,893 --> 01:45:06,972
Speaker 2: Is that a great relationship? Hard to say? Hey, guys,

2077
01:45:06,973 --> 01:45:09,613
Speaker 2: the open marriage is that I have have been very complicated.

2078
01:45:09,612 --> 01:45:12,492
Speaker 2: This person's about to take it very deep, Anthony. Consider

2079
01:45:12,532 --> 01:45:15,732
Speaker 2: the latest research into quantum entanglement and then project from

2080
01:45:15,772 --> 01:45:18,772
Speaker 2: that the effects that multiple sex relationships have and creating

2081
01:45:18,973 --> 01:45:21,333
Speaker 2: ripples that go on and on and on. Having a

2082
01:45:21,372 --> 01:45:24,572
Speaker 2: relationship outside of one that is meant for long term

2083
01:45:24,973 --> 01:45:27,852
Speaker 2: companionship and support by both parties as an invitation to

2084
01:45:27,893 --> 01:45:30,972
Speaker 2: the illusionment and hurt to at least one, if not all,

2085
01:45:31,053 --> 01:45:32,012
Speaker 2: of the people involved.

2086
01:45:32,372 --> 01:45:35,452
Speaker 3: That is deep and it makes a lot of sense. Actually, yeah,

2087
01:45:35,492 --> 01:45:39,852
Speaker 3: I'm no physicist, but well played. One hundred and eighty

2088
01:45:39,893 --> 01:45:41,532
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. Nineteen to four

2089
01:45:42,452 --> 01:45:43,333
Speaker 3: a fresh.

2090
01:45:43,013 --> 01:45:44,093
Speaker 2: Take on talkback.

2091
01:45:44,293 --> 01:45:47,852
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say on

2092
01:45:48,133 --> 01:45:50,093
Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty news talk.

2093
01:45:50,173 --> 01:45:53,652
Speaker 3: Then be very good. Afternoon. Child is sixteen to four

2094
01:45:53,772 --> 01:45:56,253
Speaker 3: and we are talking about open relationships. They are becoming

2095
01:45:56,293 --> 01:45:59,253
Speaker 3: more and more mainstream, more couples are chatting about the

2096
01:45:59,293 --> 01:46:01,852
Speaker 3: idea of open relationships. So love to hear from you

2097
01:46:01,893 --> 01:46:04,972
Speaker 3: if you have had that conversation and you've decided, look,

2098
01:46:05,013 --> 01:46:06,692
Speaker 3: it's not for me, we're going to have to break up.

2099
01:46:07,133 --> 01:46:09,173
Speaker 2: Well, the fact that we have urges for other people

2100
01:46:09,213 --> 01:46:11,492
Speaker 2: even whilst in a relationship, according to this text a

2101
01:46:11,612 --> 01:46:14,652
Speaker 2: means we're not monogamous creatures A look at history and

2102
01:46:14,692 --> 01:46:21,452
Speaker 2: you'll see that monogamy. Everyone knows you might have to

2103
01:46:21,492 --> 01:46:23,812
Speaker 2: stand on a bus. If you can't stand, don't get

2104
01:46:23,853 --> 01:46:24,772
Speaker 2: on a on the bus.

2105
01:46:25,053 --> 01:46:26,812
Speaker 3: Right, it started off really well and then.

2106
01:46:27,372 --> 01:46:30,013
Speaker 2: Sorry, I think that I'm wondering if Siri has got

2107
01:46:30,053 --> 01:46:33,892
Speaker 2: involved with this text enough of the socialist equity and

2108
01:46:35,093 --> 01:46:40,652
Speaker 2: giving old people seats. Everyone knows you might Okay, okay, right, okay, Siri, Yeah, yes,

2109
01:46:41,652 --> 01:46:43,652
Speaker 2: if you want to send that again, I think you've

2110
01:46:43,692 --> 01:46:47,572
Speaker 2: been turned into a word jumble. It's like it's like

2111
01:46:47,652 --> 01:46:49,732
Speaker 2: Strands or something, which I play every day on in

2112
01:46:49,732 --> 01:46:50,293
Speaker 2: New York Times.

2113
01:46:50,333 --> 01:46:52,132
Speaker 3: It's a great game. By the way, Strands is amazing

2114
01:46:52,532 --> 01:46:53,173
Speaker 3: to play it together.

2115
01:46:53,293 --> 01:46:56,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, Strands connections every day for me Mini crossword, yes, go,

2116
01:46:57,133 --> 01:46:58,812
Speaker 2: but seeing their back through because that seems like an

2117
01:46:58,812 --> 01:47:01,293
Speaker 2: interesting point oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

2118
01:47:01,412 --> 01:47:04,012
Speaker 2: number to call. Mass Is Tyler, Mate, It's not a floor,

2119
01:47:04,253 --> 01:47:06,933
Speaker 2: You're You're the same as most guys, including me, you

2120
01:47:07,013 --> 01:47:08,532
Speaker 2: mus Yeah. I mean, I don't think it's a or

2121
01:47:08,572 --> 01:47:10,972
Speaker 2: to just want your partner to just be your partner.

2122
01:47:11,013 --> 01:47:11,932
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a floor.

2123
01:47:12,893 --> 01:47:13,093
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2124
01:47:13,093 --> 01:47:16,293
Speaker 2: I don't think you should feel guilty because you can't

2125
01:47:16,333 --> 01:47:18,852
Speaker 2: imagine your partner being with other people. Yeah, I think,

2126
01:47:20,133 --> 01:47:22,412
Speaker 2: and not judging other people by for the way they

2127
01:47:22,412 --> 01:47:24,013
Speaker 2: want to live. It doesn't mean that you have to

2128
01:47:24,053 --> 01:47:26,212
Speaker 2: just embrace every idea that's out there.

2129
01:47:26,133 --> 01:47:29,452
Speaker 3: That is a good point for your own life. Yeah, Chris,

2130
01:47:29,652 --> 01:47:30,692
Speaker 3: how are you this afternoon?

2131
01:47:31,692 --> 01:47:31,973
Speaker 26: Good a.

2132
01:47:32,492 --> 01:47:35,492
Speaker 31: This is a sad story, but a great story at

2133
01:47:35,492 --> 01:47:39,093
Speaker 31: the end. Okay, So just quickly for you boys, I

2134
01:47:39,213 --> 01:47:41,692
Speaker 31: was in an open relationship with a chip that I

2135
01:47:41,732 --> 01:47:44,932
Speaker 31: met at bar, and she said, she's got a girl

2136
01:47:45,013 --> 01:47:47,772
Speaker 31: that's three years old and she doesn't want, you know,

2137
01:47:47,893 --> 01:47:52,572
Speaker 31: too much connection. He just wants to, you know, have

2138
01:47:52,652 --> 01:47:57,133
Speaker 31: fun and get along. And then after about two months

2139
01:47:57,173 --> 01:47:59,132
Speaker 31: of hanging out with her once or twice a week,

2140
01:47:59,933 --> 01:48:02,012
Speaker 31: went to a beach with a bunch of her friends

2141
01:48:02,053 --> 01:48:05,972
Speaker 31: that I've never met, took her daughter, who was three,

2142
01:48:06,853 --> 01:48:10,973
Speaker 31: out into the water, like splashing around, and oh that

2143
01:48:11,133 --> 01:48:13,812
Speaker 31: was the first time she's been in the surf. So

2144
01:48:13,853 --> 01:48:16,293
Speaker 31: I'm like, oh, I'm making progress, you know, I'm getting

2145
01:48:16,333 --> 01:48:20,213
Speaker 31: close to this. Check She's brought me along to meet

2146
01:48:20,213 --> 01:48:23,532
Speaker 31: her friends. Like okay, looks just because I quite like that,

2147
01:48:24,253 --> 01:48:25,772
Speaker 31: and so I'm like, this is awesome.

2148
01:48:26,973 --> 01:48:28,812
Speaker 18: Then four or.

2149
01:48:28,732 --> 01:48:31,612
Speaker 31: Five days later, I went out to a part in

2150
01:48:31,652 --> 01:48:35,892
Speaker 31: a different neighborhood in Sydnaney and she was with another

2151
01:48:35,933 --> 01:48:40,012
Speaker 31: guy being whined and dyed and the daughter was there.

2152
01:48:40,492 --> 01:48:45,652
Speaker 31: Whoa wow, And I was like, they don't approach them,

2153
01:48:45,732 --> 01:48:47,732
Speaker 31: you know, walk away. You know, you've got to be

2154
01:48:47,772 --> 01:48:51,492
Speaker 31: a man about this. Shiit sorry for swearing. And now

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Speaker 31: I was like, oh, like here I was four days ago,

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Speaker 31: like you know, trying to do the like I want

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Speaker 31: this character.

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Speaker 17: You know.

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Speaker 31: Oh I was burned. So anyway, I was like, not

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Speaker 31: going to hang around with these types of chips ever again.

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Speaker 31: If my wife we dated, the married, happy days, got

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Speaker 31: a house together, settled. But that girl, she had two

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Speaker 31: choices and she chose that life and are you at

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Speaker 31: the time it was.

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Speaker 2: Heartbreaking confusing for the child as well.

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Speaker 31: Yeah, so I've got this little girl either in the ocean,

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Speaker 31: kidney head above it obviously, you know, you know, making

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Speaker 31: splashes and you know, carrying on like that. And then

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Speaker 31: four days later I'm like, oh, she's actually dating other

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Speaker 31: people at the same time.

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Speaker 2: We well, yeah, be good.

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Speaker 31: If she's doing this now, she'll do this later.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think if you call Chris, clearly not for you,

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Speaker 3: and it's probably a good thing. You know, Chris found

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Speaker 3: out when he did, rather than later down the track.

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Speaker 3: And I know obviously it was pretty heartbreaking from it

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Speaker 3: at the time. But the sooner the better you find

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Speaker 3: out if it's not for you.

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Speaker 2: Hi, lads, we're intelligent animals, the animals. Nonetheless, are we

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Speaker 2: suppose to be monogamous? Or is our basic incident to

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Speaker 2: breed and populate? Just a question for the audience. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: I think you know that we have lots of instincts

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Speaker 2: and we don't act on all of them. Yeah, otherwise

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Speaker 2: life would be very anarchistic. Yeah, so just our animal instincts,

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Speaker 2: I mean, part of being a human being is deciding

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Speaker 2: which of your animal instincts you're going to listen to

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Speaker 2: and which ones you're going to go for the good

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Speaker 2: of yourself. And your society and your family you're not

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Speaker 2: going to going to listen.

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Speaker 3: To and thank God for that. Andrew, you want to

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Speaker 3: have a chat about jealousy.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, Look, I think jealousy is a bit of

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01:50:47,532 --> 01:50:52,253
Speaker 17: a misnomer and it's I actually think jealousy is insecurity

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01:50:52,293 --> 01:50:55,772
Speaker 17: and drag and if you're secure in your relationship, then

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Speaker 17: there's absolutely no reason to get jealous. So like, like,

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Speaker 17: I know that regardless of what happens during the day,

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Speaker 17: I'm going home to my wife, and whatever happens during

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Speaker 17: who day, she's going home to me. I know that

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01:51:10,812 --> 01:51:15,012
Speaker 17: I'm absolutely secure in that. And we we've been married

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Speaker 17: thirty five years and jealousy has never been a feature

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Speaker 17: of our relationship. It's not and we just simply do

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01:51:23,812 --> 01:51:24,652
Speaker 17: not allow it to be.

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Speaker 24: And so.

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Speaker 17: And so how that translates in terms of open relationships

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01:51:35,093 --> 01:51:38,613
Speaker 17: for well, for us, we don't have an open relationship,

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01:51:39,093 --> 01:51:43,053
Speaker 17: but if we did, the same rules would apply. You know,

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01:51:43,093 --> 01:51:46,013
Speaker 17: we're going home and with each other at the end

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Speaker 17: of the day. And also, would you would you let

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Speaker 17: sex destroy a family? I sure as how it wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fair question, but but you could put

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01:51:57,732 --> 01:51:59,972
Speaker 2: it the other way and say, the person that wants

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01:52:00,013 --> 01:52:06,052
Speaker 2: to open up the relationship, they're letting their desires destroy

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01:52:07,013 --> 01:52:09,812
Speaker 2: the the family. Well, you know, there's two ways to

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01:52:09,812 --> 01:52:10,813
Speaker 2: look at it, Andrew.

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Speaker 17: Oh, absolutely, But so you know, is a desire like

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01:52:17,893 --> 01:52:23,293
Speaker 17: that me aig like that in a relationship that just

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01:52:23,372 --> 01:52:26,892
Speaker 17: hasn't sprung up out of the blue. That's there's there's

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01:52:26,893 --> 01:52:29,253
Speaker 17: something that's led to that, and that's going to lead

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01:52:29,293 --> 01:52:33,253
Speaker 17: to a much bigger and heavier discussion about Okay, well

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01:52:33,412 --> 01:52:39,413
Speaker 17: what what has led that desire to being a desire

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01:52:39,612 --> 01:52:43,372
Speaker 17: is that? You know, you know what is it? I

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01:52:43,412 --> 01:52:46,772
Speaker 17: don't want to define it, but there's there's something, there's

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01:52:46,853 --> 01:52:52,053
Speaker 17: something going on in that relationship that's created that imbalance.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't separate. And this is me and

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01:52:56,013 --> 01:52:57,612
Speaker 3: I think you know a lot of people feel this

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01:52:57,652 --> 01:53:00,133
Speaker 3: way if they're in a monogamous relationship that I don't

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01:53:00,173 --> 01:53:03,652
Speaker 3: separate physical from the emotional. That to me is one

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01:53:03,692 --> 01:53:06,053
Speaker 3: and the same. And if you separate for me the

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01:53:06,093 --> 01:53:08,213
Speaker 3: physical side of it, then I don't want any part

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01:53:08,253 --> 01:53:11,093
Speaker 3: of that relationship because that's a part that somebody else

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01:53:11,173 --> 01:53:14,213
Speaker 3: is jumping in on and I feel really uncomfortable with that.

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01:53:14,213 --> 01:53:17,412
Speaker 3: That's not about jealousy. That is just in my mind.

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01:53:17,812 --> 01:53:20,253
Speaker 3: I think, you know, the fact that somebody else is

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01:53:20,333 --> 01:53:23,412
Speaker 3: jumping in on that on that side of my love

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01:53:23,452 --> 01:53:26,293
Speaker 3: relationship is too much. It's over the top. And I

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01:53:26,293 --> 01:53:28,572
Speaker 3: don't think that's a jealousy thing. That's just I don't

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01:53:28,612 --> 01:53:30,772
Speaker 3: want to share that that relationship.

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01:53:30,293 --> 01:53:32,253
Speaker 2: With me, Andrew, it would be a jealousy thing.

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Speaker 26: See.

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Speaker 17: I see that as an intimacy thing. So what you're

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01:53:39,412 --> 01:53:43,213
Speaker 17: saying is you don't want to share that level of intimacy,

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01:53:43,452 --> 01:53:49,812
Speaker 17: and that's that's that's perfectly that's perfectly acceptable for you

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01:53:49,853 --> 01:53:54,452
Speaker 17: to have that opinion, and other people might enjoy sharing

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01:53:54,492 --> 01:53:56,173
Speaker 17: that level of intimacy.

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01:53:56,372 --> 01:53:58,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, thank you, Andrew, thank you for your insights.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy the show. Says this text I heard recently have

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01:54:01,213 --> 01:54:04,452
Speaker 2: a wedding invite that was received addressed to guest and partner.

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01:54:04,652 --> 01:54:07,012
Speaker 2: A request came back from someone who requested to bring

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Speaker 2: her to partners as she was polyamorous. Sign of the times. Certainly,

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Speaker 2: it's bloody Expensive's weddings already expensive enough. Having the bloody

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01:54:17,372 --> 01:54:20,732
Speaker 2: feed two people that you've only vaguely wanted to invite

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01:54:21,333 --> 01:54:23,973
Speaker 2: you there on the peripherary, Yeah, you know, there's all

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01:54:24,133 --> 01:54:26,012
Speaker 2: those people in the gray area of a wedding where

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Speaker 2: you're not sure you go. Really, if we're going to

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01:54:27,853 --> 01:54:30,452
Speaker 2: invite them, I guess we kind of have to. You

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01:54:30,452 --> 01:54:32,213
Speaker 2: know how that that the circle of people you invite

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01:54:32,253 --> 01:54:34,932
Speaker 2: sort of extends out. Then you find someone that's right

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01:54:34,933 --> 01:54:36,653
Speaker 2: in the gray area and they come back where there's

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Speaker 2: actually three of us.

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Speaker 30: Yeah, it's a plus one. You're not a plus two

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01:54:39,533 --> 01:54:42,493
Speaker 30: three plus one? Yeah, yes, come on, send the other

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Speaker 30: two when you stay at home. But there's I'm only

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01:54:44,373 --> 01:54:47,213
Speaker 30: paying for wine for two of you, not you three

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01:54:47,253 --> 01:54:50,573
Speaker 30: disgusting alcoholics, slamming the overpriced food.

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Speaker 3: It's an open bar. How much money do you think

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Speaker 3: we've got. Yeah, right, we've got to take a quick break,

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Speaker 3: but we've got plenty of ticks coming through. It is

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Speaker 3: seven to four.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 2: This Texas says the lack of calls from females on

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Speaker 2: this topic tells me that what actually people want in

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Speaker 2: this world, says Chrissy. This person says, I've been twenty

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Speaker 2: five years in a polythrople, raised six kids, never had

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Speaker 2: any issues, lost friends over it when they found out.

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Speaker 2: But that's their issue, not ours. Well, great discussion, so

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Speaker 2: that answers the question is it possible? All right? That

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Speaker 2: brings us to the end of the show. Great conversations

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Speaker 2: over the last three hours. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: all your calls and text the Sir Paul Holmes Broadcaster

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Speaker 2: of the Year here the duplessy Ellen is up next.

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Speaker 2: But why am I playing the song?

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Speaker 3: Tyler is called Ebony No oh? So the band is

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Speaker 3: called Ebony Oh Big Norm because we had a fantastic

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Speaker 3: chat about the sad passing of Jim Bulger. But a

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Speaker 3: the legends, one.

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Speaker 2: Of the greatest Prime ministers of all time according to

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Speaker 2: a lot of our texters. All right, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for us. As I said, until tomorrow afternoon, wherever

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Speaker 2: you are, what are you doing? Give them a taste

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