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Speaker 1: be anybody else that has caused him to be later

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Speaker 1: than expected and therefore not on the plane we will

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Speaker 1: talk to, well, not off the plane yet, even though

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Speaker 1: program and get all of the detail. But in the

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Speaker 1: which we were going to talk about anyway, got to

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Speaker 1: look at the panel that's tasked with reviewing our methane targets.

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Speaker 1: Former Climate Change commissioner and farmer Nicholas shadbolts On. She'll

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Speaker 1: be the chair, and also climate change academic professor David

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Speaker 1: frame On as well. Now, the current legislated methane reduction

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Speaker 1: targets are twenty four to forty percent, which needs to

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Speaker 1: be the reduction by twenty fifty. Wayne Langford, president of

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Speaker 1: Federated Farmers, is with us right now.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Wayne, Ay evening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for helping us out and stepping in

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Speaker 1: for Jamie McKay.

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Speaker 2: I'm always covering for Jamie McKay.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, it's not the first time listener

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Speaker 2: We're just more happy with the fact that the targets

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Speaker 2: You know, we've asked for a long time for there

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Speaker 1: What are you expecting them to find? Where would you

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Speaker 2: So from some work that we've done you mentioned earlier,

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Speaker 2: should be a lot lower. Now, I'm not a scientist,

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Speaker 2: I'm a dairy farmer. Side, I'm not really going to

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Speaker 1: What would you do, though, Wayne, if these guys come

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Speaker 1: back and go, now, do you know what, actually forty

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Speaker 2: If that's what they come back and day, and then

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Speaker 2: that's where we're heading, and then we've got to accept

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Speaker 2: that and we got to do what we can to

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Speaker 2: get there. But right now we don't think that's quite

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Speaker 2: where it's going to end up. And so that's why

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Speaker 2: we're encouraging this review.

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Speaker 1: Are you worried that this is becoming such a political

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Speaker 1: this government, only to be overturned by a future labor

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Speaker 2: Well, what I actually see happening is the market's starting

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Speaker 2: to outpace where we're regulations looking anyway. So don't get

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Speaker 2: I'd like to think that the exeittor is going to

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Speaker 2: Well, that's certainly how i'd like it to be. But

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Speaker 2: four to forty seven percent. We can't do that without tools, right,

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Speaker 2: and those tools aren't at the farmer's hands at the moment.

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Speaker 2: They'll take years, two years to develop and I'll take

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Speaker 2: some time to put in place, and so if we're

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Speaker 2: Farming is a seasonal game. It's not something that you

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Speaker 2: not like that that it it takes a few seasons

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Speaker 2: whether or not they're working.

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Speaker 1: Did you see what they're doing over in Denmark with

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Speaker 1: the carbon tax on agriculture. I took a look at

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Speaker 2: my concern is that they're potentially hitting. But then the

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Speaker 2: same way that New Zealand has over the last few years,

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Speaker 2: where they've planted pine trees and places that they shouldn't

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Speaker 2: and they're literally going to destroy some of their royal communities.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they should be looking at us and learning

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Speaker 2: from that and be thinking, hey, we don't want to

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Speaker 1: Wayne, thank you very much appreciated.

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Speaker 2: Mate.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy your long weekend. That's Wayne Langford, president of Federated Farmers.

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