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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister in the studio where it's being a

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Speaker 1: Monday morning, good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: What it good to be with you?

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Speaker 1: Before the news I float, well, I didn't float the idea.

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Speaker 1: Lamming in the UK has floated the idea that we

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Speaker 1: get rid of jury trials except for the odd one

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Speaker 1: like manslaughter and murder and stuff and public interest? Is

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Speaker 1: that something? I mean, this is out of the blue,

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Speaker 1: because you won't have given this in the field or

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Speaker 1: have you?

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Speaker 2: No, nothing, we've had a discussion about whatsoever. I mean,

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Speaker 2: our focus has been, as you know, just making sure

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Speaker 2: we get our sentencing laws tougher. Yes, we've got a

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Speaker 2: lot more prisoners in there and present at the moment,

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Speaker 2: but actually no, we wanted toughen up the sensing laws

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Speaker 2: and that stop the judges from doing the discounts. Add

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Speaker 2: in the three strikes, harassment, stalking, you know, all those

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, TV three tried the very best last week

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Speaker 1: to explain to us that the British in particular, but

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Speaker 1: our trading partners more generally are allegedly upset at our

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Speaker 1: climate stance at the moment and they're making this known.

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Speaker 1: Is that true or not?

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Speaker 2: Never heard about it, totally disagree. Has never come up

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Speaker 2: in any of my conversations whatsoever. Is pretty simple, you know,

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Speaker 2: as I said to some of folk during the cop period,

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Speaker 2: until any other country, you know, we're in the top

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Speaker 2: ten countries in the world in terms of renewable energy.

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Speaker 2: Most people are still cold power advice power stations. Until

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Speaker 2: everyone gets that position, then I won't really listen too

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Speaker 1: And the other thing that came out, I don't know

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Speaker 1: I got much coverage, but our twenty six to thirty

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Speaker 1: target we've met because trees suck up more co two

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Speaker 1: than we previously thought, so so it's all worked out well.

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Speaker 1: The reason I asked about the trade thing and how

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Speaker 1: inextricably linked they are to trade deals. If you followed

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Speaker 1: that UK budget last week, they've increased the amount of

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Speaker 1: drilling slash exploration they have for oil and gas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quite an incredible budget, wasn't it. There was

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Speaker 2: massive rise and taxes. But yes, I mean, I think

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Speaker 2: you know the reality is, you know, we the world

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Speaker 2: has changed. You need to make sure that your country

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Speaker 2: is resilient and if that means in our case, we

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Speaker 2: want to open up oil and gas, we want to

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Speaker 2: open up mining. We think that's important. The places we

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Speaker 2: can get high paying jobs in regional New Zealand, that's great.

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Speaker 2: Why on earth where we let you know, New Zealanders

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Speaker 2: go off overseas to Australia and particularly do mine work

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Speaker 2: or to work on oil and gas, and yet we

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Speaker 2: deny them the opportunity to be able to do so here.

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Speaker 2: So we should be looking at all our natural resources

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Speaker 2: and making sure we're doing the very best with them

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Speaker 2: as we can.

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Speaker 1: The CRL. Will you be aloive when it opens? Damn well,

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Speaker 1: hope so, because it's well, I mean, how long can

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Speaker 1: it be? Well, you say next year, But do you

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Speaker 1: say that hand on hard or do you just expect

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Speaker 1: it to be open. Well, that's not the same thing.

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Speaker 1: We've been expecting it to be open for a long time.

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Speaker 2: I understand they about I understood that they are going

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Speaker 2: it has definitely up me next year. That's that's got

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Speaker 2: to be non negotiable.

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Speaker 1: Because what are you going to do if it's not,

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Speaker 1: Because I wouldn't be surprised.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully someone's listening right now.

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Speaker 1: I already said, they've already said it'll be in twenty

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Speaker 1: six and then they said it's now late twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Late twenty six to me means December.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've got a new Zealand International Convention seat that's

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Speaker 2: kicking off at the beginning of the year. That's going

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Speaker 2: to be bloom and brilliant, and we need the CRL

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Speaker 2: to be the accompaniment peace to that. And the sooner

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Speaker 2: they get it done and open, the better.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the banks last week, the Reserve Bank their final cuts,

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Speaker 1: seemingly their final cut.

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Speaker 2: Where are you at?

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Speaker 1: Because I still can't work out whether the banks are

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Speaker 1: screwing it's the Monetary Policy Committee made some interesting comments

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what I want us to watch that really closely.

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Speaker 2: I made that point a couple of weeks ago on

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Speaker 1: Can, but are those deals about cash backs as opposed

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Speaker 2: But now there's actually variation and interest rates. If you

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Speaker 2: the second you know TSB and those kind of players,

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Speaker 2: I think the point I'm trying to make it a

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Speaker 1: Short of jaw burning. Can you actually do anything now?

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Speaker 1: Because you've made the moves you've made, and the margins

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Speaker 2: So the actual bank, the reserve bank, capital rules are

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Speaker 2: got that setting right on those limits. That'll come through,

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Speaker 2: you know, hopefully in the next few months. But the rest

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Speaker 2: That's what happens in other countries around the world. My

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Speaker 1: Okay, the MATHS amount. When was the Math's announcement that

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Speaker 2: We've been working you know, you know my story. I

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Speaker 2: frustration here was that, you know, we take over power.

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Speaker 2: We've got fifty five percent of our kids not at school,

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Speaker 2: Now we've passed that law, we're done, we've finished the boards,

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Speaker 2: the basics. Well, but there's a really good example where

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Speaker 2: phonics tests. Now fantastic improvement. You had eighteen percent improvement

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Speaker 2: Kids need extra help. That's good because our teachers are

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Speaker 1: But having watched the thing live and then watched the

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Speaker 2: Didn't get to talk about the math story, did we.

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Speaker 2: I think some of the media are just so disconnected

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Speaker 2: something that's already've aready made a decision on. We've moved on.

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Speaker 2: So we're not relitigating section one twenty seven. We're not

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Speaker 2: asking boards to be upholding the treaty of by Toney obligations.

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Speaker 2: That's not their responsibility. We're done, we're finished that, but

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Speaker 1: The other string to that story was a couple of

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Speaker 1: remember it, etc. Is there a mentality within the education

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Speaker 2: Oh well, here's an idea. Rather than sitting on a

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Speaker 2: and do a twenty four seven negotiation for your members,

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Speaker 2: who are the teachers who are doing a good job.

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Speaker 2: You know, I just think they're focused on the wrong things,

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Speaker 2: and the reality is we need to put some standards

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Speaker 2: world country where an under Chris Sipkins, forty five percent

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Speaker 2: and set yourself up for a fantastic future if you

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Speaker 2: can't get your kids to do maths and reading. And

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Speaker 2: so that's what we're doing. We're doing the practical things

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Speaker 2: to make sure we lift the quality big time so

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Speaker 2: those kids have great opportunities.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the Conventions Center a moment ago, and I

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Speaker 1: should have asked this, then where are we at with

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Speaker 1: move on orders? Because one of the things you said

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Speaker 1: with move on orders is there's a cruise season. The

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Speaker 1: cruise seasons here yep, yep.

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Speaker 2: So Goldsmith's got advice coming very very quickly on that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the move on orders. We're very interested in

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Speaker 2: the problem is what do you do with the people.

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Speaker 2: You can't just move them around and bounce them around

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Speaker 2: the city. You've actually got to get a solution in place.

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Speaker 2: That's really that thinking there. Having said that, Simon Brown

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Speaker 2: and Wayne Brown actually came together last week and actually

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Speaker 2: put together quite a good action plan on what they

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Speaker 1: So how close is this? I mean, when's something going

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Speaker 1: to be announced? And something before before Chris.

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Speaker 2: West is what we expect?

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Speaker 1: Yep, you're back in parliament this week?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing you

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Speaker 2: on Friday, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, Now look.

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Speaker 2: Oh sorry is this your last week this week? Sorry?

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Speaker 2: You gave me to the listeners. I'm sorry, but it

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Speaker 2: is payback time people, because he gives me grief about

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Speaker 2: the relative and frequency he thinks. We're in parliament. This

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Speaker 2: is I want you to know. This is the hardest

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Speaker 2: working government, probably since the eighties, passing the most amount

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Speaker 2: of legislation. Yes, yes, yes, yes. While you're on holiday,

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Speaker 2: where would you be on a beach somewhere? Or I'm

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Speaker 2: still working.

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Speaker 1: We just up the road because I can't afford to travel.

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Speaker 1: Now here's here's the thing that the gift I've got you?

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Speaker 1: Are you backing yourself on the gift you've got me?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Big time. It's the Powell doctrine. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: hit you with overwhelming force, my friend, is what it is.

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Speaker 1: Because you better be ready it's a gift arrived, and

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Speaker 1: it was Semi's idea to his. Now you're shifting it

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Speaker 1: to say, a brilliant idea, so you will be I

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Speaker 1: think blow it away. Yeah, I think you could almost

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Speaker 1: be emotional. Really, I think you could almost I think

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Speaker 1: there could be some tears anyway on your last day.

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Speaker 2: So you're coming. You would be good to see, appreciate.

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