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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage like

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Speaker 1: no one else News doorgsz B.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 2: our US correspondent with an update on the man hunt

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Speaker 2: for Charlie Kirk's killers or killer and how they got

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Speaker 2: the wrong person in custody, Laura Langman on the Dame

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Speaker 2: Nolean drama, and Erica Stanford on the new year eleven

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Speaker 2: to year thirteen subjects that she's announced today.

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Speaker 3: Heather Duplicy Ellen, Well, I.

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Speaker 2: Wonder how those netball players who complained about Dame Nolean

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Speaker 2: field today, because what they've done is probably let's be

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Speaker 2: honest and her career and also brought out a swell

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Speaker 2: of support that I can't imagine that they foresaw. Silver

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Speaker 2: Fern's legend. Laura Langman's gone on social media called this

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Speaker 2: the saddest day in New Zealand netball history. Gordon Titchens,

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Speaker 2: the sevens rugby legend, called us at Newstalk ZB to

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Speaker 2: convey his support for Dame Knowles. Former coach Vonn Willering

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Speaker 2: says Noles is not old school at all and she'd

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Speaker 2: listen to her players. Now, the details of what has

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Speaker 2: happened to get to this point are fairly sketchy. Everybody's

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Speaker 2: trying to keep things quiet. But what we know is

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Speaker 2: that two players complained on behalf of a group of players,

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Speaker 2: and that sparked a review, and that review has led

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Speaker 2: to her being stood down. And what these players have

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Speaker 2: complained about is her communication style and that they were

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Speaker 2: psychologically unsafe. Now, you can probably figure out what's going

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Speaker 2: on here, can't you. We've got a generational problem, don't we.

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Speaker 2: This looks to me like a generation of young players

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Speaker 2: who don't like tough feedback and hard words. For whatever

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Speaker 2: reason that is, I don't know. Maybe because they are

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Speaker 2: the generation raised through gentle parenting techniques where mum and

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Speaker 2: dad didn't want to have to say no to them,

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Speaker 2: so didn't say no to them, didn't want to tell

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Speaker 2: them they've been bad kids and being naughty. And maybe

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Speaker 2: they're the generation that came through the education system, the

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Speaker 2: current one where everyone gets a pass and no one

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Speaker 2: experiences failure. They are the ones who've gone and complained

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Speaker 2: because they're psychologically unsafe, to which I think most of

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Speaker 2: us who've experienced a little bit of life and didn't

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Speaker 2: go through this nonsense with parenting and schooling, would say,

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Speaker 2: do you know what you need to do? You need

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Speaker 2: to grow up, you need to get hard. Life is tough.

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Speaker 2: You're an elite athlete. If your welfare is getting in

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Speaker 2: the way of your excellence, get out of the squad. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: for us, the person who is out of the squad

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Speaker 2: is someone who understands excellence and has actually achieved a

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Speaker 2: hell of a lot of excellence. And unfortunately, she will

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Speaker 2: probably stay out of the squad even though she's only

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Speaker 2: been stood down at the moment. I mean, think about it,

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Speaker 2: I can't see her coming back in. If they have

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Speaker 2: to pick between one coach and several players, they're gonna

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Speaker 2: choose the several players, aren't they. And frankly, I don't

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Speaker 2: think that Dame Knowles should want to come back because

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Speaker 2: if her excellence and her skills aren't appreciated by this

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Speaker 2: generation of players.

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Speaker 3: Why bother Heather do proceeed?

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Speaker 4: Hey, hey, hello, helloo, let you know what you're think

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Speaker 4: And by the way, yeah, Laura Langman is going to

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Speaker 4: be with us after five o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Now, Scott Robertson has revealed his team for the second

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Speaker 2: match against South Africa on Saturday night. He's made six

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Speaker 2: changes to the starting side. Tokiya who is in for Taylor,

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Speaker 2: Rico Yuanni is out, Noah Hotham and Tyrel Lomax are back,

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Speaker 2: and Finley Christie and Fleck Nile will also be on

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Speaker 2: the bench. Leroy Carter will make his debut on the

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Speaker 2: left wing. Now. Versatile loose forward Wallace Atiti is going

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Speaker 2: to remain at number eight. We spoke to him earlier.

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Speaker 4: High Wallace, Hey, hey, hello, hello.

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Speaker 2: How's the body going?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but a fecial bodies after last week? It was

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Speaker 5: a big game, so yeap recover the well hopefully well

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Speaker 5: to go to sickond Was it?

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Speaker 2: Was it because somebody suggested you guys took more contact,

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Speaker 2: like the contact load was heavier than a normal game.

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Speaker 2: Was it?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 5: I guess he felt that way, said you have the

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Speaker 5: Souf African you know, big boys. Yet was heavy contact

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Speaker 5: as we expected it to be and yep got right

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Speaker 2: So did you did you feel like was this week?

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Speaker 2: Did you feel it in your body this week more

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Speaker 5: Uh? This week?

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Speaker 2: Like this past week? Have you been in the in

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Speaker 2: the ice spars and in the spas and in the

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Speaker 2: saunas and hitting the physio and the whole shebang.

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Speaker 5: Yep, or the whole thing human right now as we speak.

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Speaker 7: So what are you getting?

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Speaker 2: What's happening right now?

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Speaker 5: I'm not just physios?

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Speaker 2: So are you telling me the physio is touching you

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Speaker 2: while you're talking to me? Yea, yes, okay, Wallace paint

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Speaker 2: is a picture? What part of your body are they

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Speaker 2: working on right now?

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Speaker 5: Just a sort of cards and yeah and all that.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, now, jeez, I tell you what. We were

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Speaker 2: all nervous going into that game, and then within what

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Speaker 2: was it three minutes you set all the nerves. What

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Speaker 2: was it that you guys got it?

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Speaker 8: What?

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Speaker 2: What made you fight the way you did at Eden Park?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 5: I think that's high stakes? Was the looking forward to

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Speaker 5: that one. So I really made an emphasis to start well,

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Speaker 5: and I think we're just that.

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon you guys, because the question is whether

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Speaker 2: you can get up again for this game? Can you?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Of course?

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Speaker 5: Playing spring Box is always a the game and something

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Speaker 5: that we always look forward to, and not only every

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Speaker 5: chance we get to put on the black jersey always

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Speaker 5: go out there, child is so yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I'll ready for ye Are you ready for the

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Speaker 2: mind games that Russy Erasmus might play play in the

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Speaker 5: Oh, try to stay away from there as players. But

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Speaker 5: you know, we we acknowledge that when we can and

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Speaker 5: try and focus on our own print.

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Speaker 2: Wallace, Thank you very much, Wallace. The t t all

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Speaker 2: black loose forward. I did go there, didn't it. I

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Speaker 2: mean I think at one point, like I tried really

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Speaker 2: not to make it sound like it was erotic. I

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Speaker 2: didn't want it to be erotic. But it did sound

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Speaker 2: like that, didn't it. So I do deserve it. If

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Speaker 2: you're like, oh, you're no better than Stewart Nash, You're

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Speaker 2: just a girl version. Yeah, God, I've absolutely got to

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Speaker 2: wear that right. Thank you, Libby, Thanks for that audio. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: So I've got bad news for you, terrible news, really

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Speaker 2: really bad news, especially if you're in Wellington. The ugly

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Speaker 2: Bridge is staying. But I think the Ugly Bridge has

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Speaker 2: got a reprieve. And I don't think this is a

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Speaker 2: temporary reprieve. I think this is a permanent thing. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you've been following the saga of the Ugly Bridge,

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Speaker 2: you will know that has been oh backwards and forwards,

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Speaker 2: in an out of court, in and out of council

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Speaker 2: and finally they barricaded the bloody thing off and they're

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Speaker 2: going to start demolishing it. And at the last minute Tory,

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Speaker 2: who ruins everything, sent out an email to the councilors

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Speaker 2: and was like, good news everyone, We're not going to

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Speaker 2: be knocking it down just yet. We're going to pause

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Speaker 2: it because we're now waiting for the government's updated recommendations

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Speaker 2: on earthquake assessments. Now, as much as I hate that bridge,

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Speaker 2: and I really do, because it's hideous, I actually think

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Speaker 2: they're doing the right thing here the governments. What the

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Speaker 2: government is doing is looking again at our earthquake standards.

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Speaker 2: Our earthquake standards are ridiculous, right, I mean, there are

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Speaker 2: perfectly acceptable structures out there that have been deemed to

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Speaker 2: be a threat to us when there really aren't at all.

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Speaker 2: And so we're spending millions, million, millions and millions and

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Speaker 2: millions of dollars knocking down buildings we don't have to

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Speaker 2: knock down. And but it's possible that this was going

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Speaker 2: to be one as well that had been deemed an

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Speaker 2: earthquake risk. But when you look at it without being

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Speaker 2: So as much as I hate this bridge, it was

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Speaker 2: going to cost a lot to knock it down on

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Speaker 2: a counter earthquakes. And if you don't have to spend

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Speaker 2: that money to knock it down on a counter earthquakes

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Speaker 2: because the rules were ridiculous and conservative, then you know

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Speaker 2: fair play. You don't have to knock it down. Just

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Speaker 2: another reason to think Wellington's uctly though he could have passed.

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Speaker 2: Heather, that's a low Wallace IQ right there. He had

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Speaker 2: no idea how to respond to your questions old on

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Speaker 2: attack though that's not fair. He was being touched up

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Speaker 2: as we were speaking. So can you answer questions when

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Speaker 2: somebody's busy rubbing your calves? Eighteen past four Sport with.

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Speaker 9: I've never tried that before, having my calves rubbed and

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Speaker 9: been the end quisition by Heather Duplessi Allen.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what the actually, the All Blacks media

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Speaker 2: people had a lot of confidence in Wallace that he

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Speaker 2: was able to answer questions while being done by the physio.

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Speaker 8: Okay, quite a lot of this.

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Speaker 9: It's a very relaxing space.

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Speaker 3: You could have got a.

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Speaker 9: Lot out of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah or not anyway, So.

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Speaker 9: Ri eighteen bit responsibly, let's run with the TB Okay.

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Speaker 9: So you got to say, ladies, you're listening to me

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Speaker 9: only bet we can afford to lose, because if you're

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Speaker 9: listened to me, you'll lose. Okay, but that's the whole idea.

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Speaker 9: You're going to lose if you put money on the

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Speaker 9: four NRL games there opening around to the finals, and

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Speaker 9: you run with the favorites and you put twenty bucks

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Speaker 9: on one hundred and fifteen dollars. Okay, if you go

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Speaker 9: the other way and get the underdogs to win all

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Speaker 9: of the games, and the Warriors are an underdog at

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Speaker 9: three dollars twenty and you put twenty bucks on seven

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Speaker 9: hundred and eighty seven dollars for the multi at the end, well,

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Speaker 9: you go somewhere in the middle. The idea predicting the

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Speaker 9: NRL is so hard. Panthers one thirty five, Wars three twenty,

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Speaker 9: the Storm and the Bulldogs, the one fifty two sixty Raiders,

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Speaker 9: one sixty eight Broncos to twenty Sharks two fifteen Roosters

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Speaker 9: one seventy. You can't split them. So go all in

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Speaker 9: one with the winners all the loser and see what happens.

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Speaker 9: And always make sure you're over eighteen and make sure

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Speaker 9: you betchl So.

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Speaker 2: I was in an accidentally in a taxi with the

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Speaker 2: new boss of the tab after the All Blacks game

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Speaker 2: on Saturday night. Had you accidentally because what happened was

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Speaker 2: when you go to Eden Park, right, it's impossible to

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Speaker 2: get out, and so unless you walk, Yeah, so you

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Speaker 2: have to walk a distance, but you can also wait

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Speaker 2: in the corporate box until the crowds have cleared. Like

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Speaker 2: this is definitely the IP experience. I'm not gonna lie, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, I'm not gonna lie corporate box.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, so we're in there and I waited for

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Speaker 2: And then what you do is you just have to

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Speaker 2: Right now, quick quick quick take from you on this, Heather,

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Speaker 2: Have we learned nothing from Olivia Podmore's tragedy? High performance

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Speaker 2: Doorgs Envy four twenty five. Listen. The situation with Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 11: For a new person over again, the name.

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Speaker 1: You trust to get the answers you need, It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage like no

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Speaker 3: Use talks, they'd be.

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Speaker 8: Don't you win anybody?

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Speaker 2: I can do this all week. You'll be there to

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Speaker 2: do the morning johnthan Kursley the US correspondence with us

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Speaker 2: after five o'clock on Charlie Charlie Kirk's shooting. Also Laura Angman,

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Speaker 2: grossly irresponsible to have played this or to have put

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on Newstalks'd Drive.

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Speaker 2: Conservative political activists and founder of Turning Point Us Charlie

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Speaker 2: Kirk has died. He was shot while he was speaking

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Speaker 2: Others say the shooting lays bare the broken politics of

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and eye insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: Oliver Peterson, six PR Perth Life presenter, Hey Oli, get ahead, OLLI.

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Speaker 2: So Europe is going to ban the social media for

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Speaker 15: Yeah, well, they're going to look at what we're doing

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Speaker 16: And that's going to open up a whole new can

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Speaker 15: Well, people are saying, why do we need to give

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Speaker 15: And I know there's one argument that will say, if

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Speaker 15: Susan Lee has indicated that she hasn't apologized yet, And

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Speaker 15: of course people remember just Into Price was front and

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Speaker 15: center of the no campaign for the Voice. But she

443
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Speaker 15: is here in Perth today, She's here yesterday and tonight

444
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Speaker 15: she is due at an Indian Society of WA's Indian

445
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Speaker 15: Community event in Willitson, which is a suburb here in Perth.

446
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Speaker 15: And it's being described as being quite distasteful because of

447
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Speaker 15: course she's been sacked for her comments about Indian migrants

448
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Speaker 15: coming into Australia and voting for.

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Speaker 16: The Labor Party.

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Speaker 15: So this is all to be blunt, a big, big

451
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Speaker 15: distraction for the Liberal Party and the Newish Liberal leader,

452
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Speaker 15: Susan Lee. I think this decision to dump just Ceder

453
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Speaker 15: Price will ultimately cost Susan Lee her own job. And

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Speaker 15: while they have spent the past week or so fighting

455
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Speaker 15: each other publicly, the government's just licking its leaps.

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Speaker 16: Albow's got a whole heap of problems.

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Speaker 15: Obviously gone Vana Wadu to sign up to a national

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Speaker 15: security agreement and he was embarrassed and left faced in

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Speaker 15: the Pacific Islands. And they're just talking about each other

460
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Speaker 15: and trying to bring each other down. It's just hopeless

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Speaker 15: how position party cannot get itself together.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Now, I was just going through a bunch of

463
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Speaker 2: texts the other day. This is this is not just

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Speaker 2: some random thing. At the point here we go and

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Speaker 2: I was going through a bunch of texts the other

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Speaker 2: day and it's between myself and somebody who was Australian

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Speaker 2: who lives in New Zealand, and they said something along

468
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Speaker 2: the lines of just Into Price should be Australia's next

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister. Now, I just happened to find this while

470
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Speaker 2: we're in the middle of this fight with just Inenter Price.

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Speaker 2: Is that still the vibe? Like, is she still popular

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Speaker 2: enough for people to think that.

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Speaker 16: From the conservative side of the fence.

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Speaker 15: Absolutely, Like any time that we interview Just Need a

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Speaker 15: Price on my program. For example, when she comes on

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Speaker 15: regularly Heather, the feedback channels go absolutely bananas because she's

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Speaker 15: not afraid to say what.

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Speaker 16: A lot of people are thinking.

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Speaker 15: She's obviously an Indigenous woman and she is very much

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Speaker 15: Team Australia, and she was the one in the Parliament

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Speaker 15: last week with the Australian flag and she's doing her

482
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Speaker 15: best to try and unite the country. But she's also

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Speaker 15: looked at as a very divisive figure, particularly amongst those

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Speaker 15: in her own party who are from the progressive side

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Speaker 15: of politics, and of course the Labour Party can see

486
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Speaker 15: her basically as enemy number one. She is probably she's

487
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Speaker 15: in the wrong house though she's in the upper House,

488
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Speaker 15: she's in the Senate, but she is probably at the

489
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Speaker 15: moment the Liberals the Conservative's best chance for relevancy. Nobody

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Speaker 15: knows who Susan Lee is. Everybody knows who just enter

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Speaker 15: price is.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Ollie, Good to talk to you, mate. That's

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Speaker 2: Oliver Peterson six PR Perth Live presenter.

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Speaker 3: Heather do for see Alan Rerea the.

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Speaker 2: Netballers Heather Live Podmore's housemate here. She loved straight up coaching.

496
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Speaker 2: There were much deeper issues at Sea and Z, which

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Speaker 2: is to say, it's not a coach being straight up

498
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Speaker 2: that is the problem for female athletes right. There are

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Speaker 2: other problems hither concerning the netballers. I think you've hit

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Speaker 2: the nail on the head and these are the types

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Speaker 2: that will soon complain that they don't get a medal

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Speaker 2: because the competition played too hard and they're so used

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Speaker 2: to getting a medal just for attendance in a sport

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Speaker 2: that no one is allowed to win, but everyone gets

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Speaker 2: a prize environment I totally agree with to John, Thank

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Speaker 2: you you now. We've just got a little update for

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Speaker 2: you on the injunction ree Tom Phillips, you will, of

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Speaker 2: course be aware that has been in court today. This

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Speaker 2: is the suppressed information. The latest is key details of

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Speaker 2: the Tom Phillips case will remain suppressed for now following

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Speaker 2: that urgent hearing. Most of the details of what was

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Speaker 2: said during the hearing even remain heavily suppressed. But we

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Speaker 2: can report that a hearing was held and that the

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Speaker 2: status of the and the status of the interim injunction order,

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Speaker 2: which is the bloody bare minimum. Honestly, Justice Cull has

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Speaker 2: made an order extending the injunction until Thursday next week

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Speaker 2: at least. Well, good luck to them, because if what

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing on social media and on text is anything

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Speaker 2: to go by by Thursday next week, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if this injunction is going to be worth anything. Sixteen

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Speaker 2: away from five.

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Speaker 1: For politics with centric credit, check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 2: Certain right, it's fourteen away from five And just reminder,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to rain you through what happened according to

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Speaker 2: that police communications on the night of the Tom Phillips shooting.

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Speaker 2: But with us right now we have Thomas Coglan, the

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Speaker 2: Herald's political edit.

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Speaker 17: A high Thomas here, a good afternoon.

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Speaker 18: Now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Stuart Nash has quit his job because of what

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Speaker 2: he said. How is this going to affect his future

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Speaker 2: at New Zealand First.

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Speaker 19: Oh, very interesting question is obviously not a great look.

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Speaker 19: It's interesting obviously, Winston Peters has a long and colorful

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Speaker 19: history in New Zealand politics, but one of the things

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Speaker 19: he doesn't like is bad language, particularly bad language in

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Speaker 19: this in this sort of area. Obviously, I think you

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Speaker 19: can go through the handsard and find a number of

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Speaker 19: things that Winston said that probably wouldn't wouldn't pass the

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Speaker 19: sniff test these days. But it's certainly the sort of

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Speaker 19: language is not really what Winston Peter's likes, so so

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Speaker 19: I think it would It would negatively, I mean clearly

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Speaker 19: it negatively affects affects his chances and that in that area.

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Speaker 17: Then again, there's always a way back.

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Speaker 19: Like Winston Peter's in New Zealand First are famous for

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Speaker 19: second chances in terms of political candidates, and they do

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Speaker 19: tend to attract rough around the ages sort of candidate. No,

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Speaker 19: I think this is probably a bit rougher around the

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Speaker 19: edges than perhaps they have an appetite for.

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Speaker 17: But I certainly wouldn't rule out forever.

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Speaker 2: Can you think of anything more crass that you've ever

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Speaker 2: heard in New Zealand. Politicians say no, say right in

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Speaker 2: the meaning.

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Speaker 17: And it does speak to a complete lack of judgment.

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Speaker 17: It is it is. I my jaw hit the floor

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Speaker 17: when I heard it. I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 19: So, you know, look, with New Zealand First, the general

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Speaker 19: rule of Doune with New Zealand First doesn't never say never.

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Speaker 19: But clearly, you know, Stuart Mesh's chances took a massive dating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the problem for him is that he

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Speaker 2: was on a kind of probation and almost in a

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Speaker 2: weird way, New Zealand First had got out of Stuart

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Speaker 2: really the thing that they wanted right, which is the

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Speaker 2: endorsement at the conference.

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Speaker 19: Well exactly, and it is, you know, it is a

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Speaker 19: wee bit crowded at the top there, like obviously Winston

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Speaker 19: Peters is New Zealand First, and then the ear apparent.

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Speaker 17: Is Shane Jones.

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Speaker 19: And and you've I've always wondered with New Zealand First

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Speaker 19: that the party doesn't and the functioned well when there

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Speaker 19: are a couple of years apparent and and you know

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Speaker 19: gives that that famous tension between Tracy Martin and Ron

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Speaker 19: Mark who who famously sort of didn't really get on

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Speaker 19: and I think sometimes refused to share a car together.

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Speaker 17: That there was there's that sort of issue.

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Speaker 19: So obviously if Stuart Nash did become an MP, then

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Speaker 19: he would he would be in the mix for for

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Speaker 19: taking over if if, if, if that that role ever

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Speaker 19: became vacant, and and you know, I'm not sure whether

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Speaker 19: the party really wants that instability again, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's a fair point. Now, what's been going on with

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Speaker 2: the Marti parties have been a little shuffle going on.

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Speaker 17: Interesting one.

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Speaker 19: Usually usually this is announced in the press release, but

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Speaker 19: the Parliament website has updated the profiles of Debbie Nardi

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Speaker 19: Repeca and Mariameno Capa Kingy. So mariamno was the was

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Speaker 19: the whip for the party for some time. That is

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Speaker 19: now no longer her role as of the ninth of Septembers,

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Speaker 19: that was only a couple of days ago. Role has

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Speaker 19: transferred to Debi Nardi Wapeka again. As of the ninth

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Speaker 19: of September, no one knows what's going on. Requests have

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Speaker 19: been made of the party. We haven't heard back and

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Speaker 19: as as usual that the party, Mariy didn't come across

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Speaker 19: the bridge today the co leaders went in the house

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Speaker 19: that I can see very I can't say never, but

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Speaker 19: I would say almost never.

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Speaker 2: Close enough on, here is something weird going on in

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Speaker 2: the party because you now have so you have a

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Speaker 2: removal of quite a senior job from I will note,

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Speaker 2: the mother of the protest organizer, and then you've got

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Speaker 2: another MP who is busy going apparently rogue in eight

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Speaker 2: minute long midnight video. Is this something up?

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Speaker 19: Yes, well, I probably would connect those two things. I

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Speaker 19: mean that they are a bit of a black box party, Marty.

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Speaker 19: You just don't know what's going on inside inside the

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Speaker 19: party in the way that you do with some of

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Speaker 19: the other parties. And it does seem like Takuda Ferris

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Speaker 19: has gone a weave at rogue. And it does when

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Speaker 19: you look at Aharna and RAFTI might be clarkted an

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Speaker 19: interview the other day, she's sort of distanced herself from

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Speaker 19: Taku to Feris. The co leaders have been distancing themselves

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Speaker 19: from him a week. But I do wonder whether there's

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Speaker 19: a disciplinary thing that's probably probably looming for him in

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Speaker 19: the wake of these comments, and whether that results in

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Speaker 19: a bit of a reshuffle that could very well be

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Speaker 19: the thing, and frustratingly, you know, everyone's having to pieces

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Speaker 19: together from whispers and snippets that that appear in the

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Speaker 19: media because the party's not really front footing it and

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Speaker 19: being transparent about what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well what a surprise, Thomas, Thanks very much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thomas Coglan, The Herald's Political Letter. By the way, Barrie's

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Speaker 2: not here. Berries had been called away for dad duties. Also,

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Speaker 2: if you're wondering what it is that Stuart Nash said,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a warning that I'm going

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Speaker 2: to tell you in about half an hour. So just

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Speaker 2: if you're sensitive to crass language, gonna want to, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, have a gin and tonic or something, get

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Speaker 2: yourself ready. Nine away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 20: It's a bit of banks growing around the government's proposal

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Speaker 20: for new shop lifting. The law was the change would

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Speaker 20: ship the burden of proof onto suspects. In other words,

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Speaker 20: you are guilty until you prove yourself otherwise. This is

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Speaker 20: where the Bill of Rights Act comes in. All Goldsmith,

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Speaker 20: Justice Minister with us.

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Speaker 11: It's more akin to a traffic offense. You're speeding you

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Speaker 11: get a ticket, there's no debate about it. Unless you've

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Speaker 11: got a reasonable excuse, you pay the fine. The whole

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Speaker 11: purpose of it is to come up with a swift

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Speaker 11: way to deal with the shoplifting, other than the alternative,

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Speaker 11: which is to go through the whole court process.

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Speaker 3: To find a reasonable excuse. Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 11: You're in the supermarket and your three year old stuck

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Speaker 11: a banana in.

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Speaker 3: Your handbag and you didn't realize.

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Speaker 20: And this is the problem, isn't it.

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Speaker 11: I mean, so I know people sometimes do make genuine mistakes.

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Speaker 20: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 20: a Vida News Talk z B.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the surely John tarmerheady calling women front bums is

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Speaker 2: the worst of it. No, do you know what, I'd

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Speaker 2: never found that I thought it was. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: just I was like, oh, that's lame, bit weird, But no,

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Speaker 2: never found that. I think this is far crasser. And

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Speaker 2: it was crasser a word far more crass anyway, five

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Speaker 2: away from five. So the chase audio that stuff has

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Speaker 2: obtained basically describes what happens from the minute the police

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Speaker 2: start actually pursuing Tom Phillips to them. In it that

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Speaker 2: shots are fired. It starts with one officer who's parked

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Speaker 2: on a hill overlooking pupew he's got his lights off.

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Speaker 2: The quad bike with Tom and his daughter goes past

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Speaker 2: and the officer starts following, but lights off. Backups coming

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Speaker 2: from Altara Hunger. The Eagles is en route from Auckland.

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Speaker 2: The officer then and I think this is interesting from

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Speaker 2: the cops. The officer then asks the Comms guys to

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Speaker 2: phone up a local farmer who lives nearby. Ask this

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Speaker 2: farmer if he can hear a bike, and then he

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Speaker 2: starts telling the other units where to go. The officer

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Speaker 2: then says, the bike has seen me. It's stopped in

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Speaker 2: the middle of the road. I'll put my lights on

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Speaker 2: now because he's seen me, but he's headed off. Officer

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Speaker 2: says he's armed. The Comm's operator says the farmer that

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Speaker 2: he called has now called back and said yes, they've

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Speaker 2: just heard the quad bike pass the house, so now

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Speaker 2: they know the direction of the quad bike's going in.

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Speaker 2: So the officer then gives the Comm's person another name

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Speaker 2: on another road and says call them up and tell

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Speaker 2: them to keep an air out. Chopper is now twenty

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Speaker 2: five minutes away. Officer sees gravel mark starts following the

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Speaker 2: quad bike down that road. Another officer is now at

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Speaker 2: a tea intersection, which is nearby on the way that

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Speaker 2: they think the quad bike is going, asks if he

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Speaker 2: should spike. Yes, lays the spikes, says, trying to find

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Speaker 2: a spot to park up pretty narrow and windy here.

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Speaker 2: Haven't got anywhere to hide. They say, just put yourself

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Speaker 2: in the best safe position possible. That's obviously I'm assuming

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Speaker 2: the officer that gets shot. The com center advisers they've

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Speaker 2: spoken to a resident who has heard the motorbike, but

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Speaker 2: it didn't appear to have its lights on. The officer

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Speaker 2: at the intersection says he can hear the bike coming.

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Speaker 2: Now I think this is the officer that gets shot.

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Speaker 2: Right says he can hear the bike coming. It's probably

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Speaker 2: a couple of minutes out. Someone says eagle is ten

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Speaker 2: minutes away. The bike is now only thirty seconds away.

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Speaker 2: Over spikes. Over spikes, the officer says, the vehicle is

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Speaker 2: in front of me. It's got two flat front tires.

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Speaker 2: He then says he's gone off the road. How far

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Speaker 2: away are you? And then says shots fired? Shots fired

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Speaker 2: at the next officer arrives, says the officer who has

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Speaker 2: been shot is breathing and cooperative. I need a helicopter

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Speaker 2: to meet asap. Road ambulance is also called for. Someone,

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Speaker 2: says Tom Phillips looks like he's been shot. Also, he's

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Speaker 2: in handcuffs and under control. Now, as I say, police

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Speaker 2: are not stoked that Stuff has got their hands on

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Speaker 2: that and it has published it. But as Stuff argues,

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Speaker 2: it's in the public interest, and it's an argument I

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Speaker 2: would say they'll bang on with right. So we're going

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Speaker 2: to go next to the US, get you an update

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Speaker 2: on what's going on with Charlie Kirk and the man

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Speaker 2: hunt there, and then Laura Langman on the day Nol's controversy.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can try Trump to ask

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Speaker 1: the questions, you get the answers, find a fag sack

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Speaker 1: and give the analysis. Here the duplicy Ellen Drive with

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Speaker 1: One New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile News

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Speaker 1: Dogs V.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon in the US, a man hunter is still underway

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Speaker 2: to find the person who killed conservative activist Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 2: in Utah this morning. Donald Trump has called the killing

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Speaker 2: a dark moment and flags on the White house are

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Speaker 2: flying at half mass. US correspondent Jonathan Kurzley is back

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Speaker 2: with us. Hey, Jonathan, what if they told us about

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Speaker 2: the person they're looking for?

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Speaker 16: Well, essentially not much.

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Speaker 21: I mean, well, what we are seeing is video being

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Speaker 21: circulated online of a person that had been on the

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Speaker 21: roof in the moments before that shooting had taken place,

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Speaker 21: and clearly now that is the person that they are

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Speaker 21: looking for. The manhunt very much continues. They had arrested

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Speaker 21: two people were taken into custody two people earlier today.

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Speaker 21: One was described as a person of interest. Both of

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Speaker 21: them have been released. One was an old man, the

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Speaker 21: other a younger male. But clearly now this manhunt continues.

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Speaker 21: There were hundreds of people at this university gathering that

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Speaker 21: Charlie Kirk so often does. This is what he was

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Speaker 21: known for, going into universities, taking in his political action

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Speaker 21: group that he started when he was eighteen, and openly

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Speaker 21: debating his ideas with students. He's a conservative thinker. He

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Speaker 21: believed in a free speech, he believed in the Americans

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Speaker 21: right for people to bear arms, and he was quite

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Speaker 21: confrontational with his views. Some viewed him as controversial. Donald

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Speaker 21: Trump clearly viewed him as an ally and even essentially

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Speaker 21: said that he had helped win him last year's election. Now,

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Speaker 21: at the age of thirty one, fassinated America is facing

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Speaker 21: yet another watershed moment when it comes to gun violence

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Speaker 21: and politically motivated violence.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is nuts, right the political debate. It's

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Speaker 2: nuts that the political debate has gone this way. So

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Speaker 2: the question I suppose is is this an infliction point

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Speaker 2: where people stop and reflect and change course or do

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Speaker 2: you think this is simply the new normal.

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Speaker 21: Well, you've got some on the far right side of politics,

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Speaker 21: the Alex Joneses of Info Wars Fames essentially saying.

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Speaker 16: That they are now at war with the left.

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Speaker 21: You had Jesse Waters from Rupert Murdoch's Fox News are

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Speaker 21: saying that the left has been accusing the right of

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Speaker 21: being at war and now the right, in his words,

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Speaker 21: will no longer stand for it. Donald Trump himself spoke

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Speaker 21: from the Oval offers and essentially said that it was

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Speaker 21: the rhetoric of what he said was the radical left

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Speaker 21: was responsible for, in his words, the terrorism they're seeing

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Speaker 21: in the country now, and said it must stop now.

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Speaker 21: He has made a point of singling out rhetoric from

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Speaker 21: what he views as the radical left from the left

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Speaker 21: side of politics. You've got to remember, too, Donald Trump

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Speaker 21: survived two assassination attempts of his own, and clearly now

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Speaker 21: it is being viewed in that framework. You would have

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Speaker 21: thought that the assassination attempt on a presidential candidate more

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Speaker 21: than a year ago would have been the moment that

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Speaker 21: maybe Americans stood up and thought, well, hang on a moment,

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Speaker 21: is this the way that we need to have a

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Speaker 21: political debate? Can't we just be a little bit more

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Speaker 21: civil and talk to each other about it. Yet, we've

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Speaker 21: seen politically motivated attacks in Washington, d C. We've seen

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Speaker 21: the shootings of Minnesota senators, a Minnesota politicians earlier this year, Democrats,

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Speaker 21: and now we're seeing a conservative commentator assassinated in full

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Speaker 21: view of the public. It's understood his wife and two

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Speaker 21: young children were also at the university at the time too.

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Speaker 21: They are obviously now grieving a husband, a father. But

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Speaker 21: this country is now finding itself trying to deal with

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Speaker 21: the consequences now of what some experts are saying now

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Speaker 21: could be a vicious spiral lead America into something really,

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Speaker 21: really bad.

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Speaker 2: He's hopefully not, Jonathan, Thanks so much. Jonathan Cursley US correspondent.

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Speaker 3: Heather Dope Allen.

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Speaker 2: Netball New Zealand's decision to stand down Dame Noline Toto

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Speaker 2: has sent shockwaves through netball. Silver Fern centurion Laura Langman

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Speaker 2: has posted on Facebook that it's gutless and selfish for

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Speaker 2: complaining players not to be upfront with what the issues are.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk to her. Hi, Laura, Hi, how are you going?

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Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you. Do you have any idea

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Speaker 2: what's going on here?

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Speaker 17: No?

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Speaker 8: I don't have any effects.

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Speaker 22: I have just had the information that everyone else has,

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Speaker 22: but it doesn't dull down the shock and disappointment.

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Speaker 8: I think that's been felt.

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Speaker 2: Worldwide, worldwide. Do you think Yeah?

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Speaker 22: I saw tans and Greenway has commented on it.

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Speaker 8: I just think there's just so many levels to this.

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Speaker 22: For me, besides having been a player under Knowles's leadership

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Speaker 22: for many campaigns, it's just not the way we do

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Speaker 22: things as Kiwi's first and foremost.

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Speaker 8: Secondly, I don't think.

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Speaker 22: This is a direction where we want sport to be going.

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Speaker 22: You know, Nipple used to be a household celebrated sport

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Speaker 22: and at the moment we're just not doing ourselves any

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Speaker 22: favors at all.

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Speaker 2: So apparently this has come down to Dame Nolean's communication style.

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Speaker 2: Any idea what that means?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I found that interesting, to be honest, and it's

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Speaker 22: really interesting the perception of people.

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Speaker 8: I can only comment on what I know, and.

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Speaker 22: I know that people think Noles and I like besties

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Speaker 22: and are each other every week like that is not

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Speaker 22: the case. I have a huge amount of respect for

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Speaker 22: Noles for what she's done for me as a person

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Speaker 22: or player. Her communication style I think is appropriate for

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Speaker 22: the level that she is coaching. When you make the

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Speaker 22: elite side, a coach's role is a facilitator. You've been

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Speaker 22: in the sport long enough, you know what you're looking for,

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Speaker 22: you know the feel the need to seek feedback, and

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Speaker 22: I think in an environment where you can get it

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Speaker 22: yourself from video through like support staff, you don't need

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Speaker 22: to have the coach petting in you on the back

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Speaker 22: twenty four seven?

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Speaker 2: Did you reckon that's what it is?

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Speaker 8: Do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: That's There may be a generation of young players here

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Speaker 2: who don't want to have to be told where they

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Speaker 2: need to brush up and be told that harshly.

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Speaker 22: Well, look, yeah, no one goes into a one on

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Speaker 22: one and expecting to be patted on the back, that's

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Speaker 22: for sure. So I don't know if it's around those communications.

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Speaker 22: I have heard whispers that the environment was one people

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Speaker 22: were scared to speak up.

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Speaker 8: Or do anything wrong.

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Speaker 22: And if I'm being really blunt, I think that's a

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Speaker 22: corp out. Elite sport level, you need to be able

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Speaker 22: to have those hard conversations, and under every environment I've

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Speaker 22: been under, Knowles she is one that empowers her athletes

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Speaker 22: to have those conversations.

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Speaker 8: She just like facilitates.

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Speaker 22: She wants it to be driven by the player group

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Speaker 22: because we're the ones that are making the decisions out

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Speaker 22: on court. We can't wait for Quurt a time halftime

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Speaker 22: to come and get a pat on the back, or

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Speaker 22: this needs to be changed. Our game's dynamic, like we

848
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Speaker 22: as players need to make decisions. So I think for

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Speaker 22: players to be like we didn't have a voice, I

850
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Speaker 22: think it's a cop out because I blatantly know you would.

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Speaker 2: Of yeah, Laura, listen, thanks very much for talking us

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Speaker 2: through at Laura Langman silver Fern Legend. I just want

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00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: to say the support for Dame Knowles, I think is unreal.

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Speaker 2: We even had Gordon Titchens the legendary sevens coach get

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Speaker 2: in touch with us. We didn't call him. He called

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Speaker 2: us to tell us he wanted to support Dame Noles

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Speaker 2: in this He reckons the players have got too much say.

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Speaker 2: He reckons. She isn't old school at all like she's

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Speaker 2: been accused of. In fact, she's elevated and changes with

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Speaker 2: the times and accepts that probably his own style would

861
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Speaker 2: not be acceptable to these younger players nowadays. So there

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Speaker 2: you go. By the way, they think they've got a

863
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Speaker 2: ghost at the hotel and Funger Mormona, So we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about that next. Yeah, I know where quarter

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Speaker 2: past Erica Stanford's going to be at us in around

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Speaker 2: about twenty minutes, just after the half past news. Talk

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Speaker 2: her through these new subjects she's announced for years eleven

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Speaker 2: to thirteen. Right now it's coming up eighteen past five. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they think they've got a ghost at the Funger Mormurna hotel. Well,

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Speaker 2: they actually think they may have three, and so they've

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Speaker 2: got the paranormal researchers and to stay a couple of

872
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Speaker 2: nights and confirm whether this is the case or not.

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Speaker 2: Vicky Pratt is the hotel owner. High Vicki Hi, How

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Speaker 2: are you well? Thank you? Are you having a bit

875
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Speaker 2: of fun here? Or do you really think there are ghosts?

876
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 20: Oh?

877
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 23: You know twofold too fold. I'm always suspected something but

878
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 23: not sure.

879
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, well what makes you think there might be ghosts?

880
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Speaker 23: There's one? I think there's three ghosts, when we've been

881
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 23: told by different people that there are definitely ghosts in here.

882
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 23: We had our portraits painted when we first came into

883
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 23: the hotel about eleven years ago, and it was of

884
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 23: a gentleman. And when the portrait was finished, it was

885
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 23: sitting in the binding room and a woman said to

886
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 23: me after breakfast, he said, did you know that that

887
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 23: gentleman just got out of that portrait? She said, he's

888
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 23: one of your ghosts, but he's friendly. His name's Joe.

889
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 23: And then other people at different times have just said

890
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 23: things like, oh, there was a lady wandering down the

891
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 23: hall up stairs last night, but she was friendly.

892
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 8: Ah.

893
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: Now the portrait is that the chap? Who is that?

894
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 2: The living Levan Darlski chap?

895
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 23: Is that one Joseph love and dusky Polish descent?

896
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: Why is he holding in your hotel? Did he die

897
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: there or something?

898
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 23: No, he was of illegitimate booth back in the day,

899
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 23: and mother sister brought him up because it wasn't the

900
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 23: thing to do then. Oh yeah, and he lived out

901
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 23: here from the time he was about eighteen and never married,

902
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 23: but was a really Everyone enjoyed him and it was

903
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 23: a really good bloke and he looked after the roads

904
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 23: because in those days they lived in little huts and

905
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 23: you needed to get through and they were the ones

906
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 23: that kept the road open for the horses and later on.

907
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: The cast What kind of proof of these people are

908
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 2: going to find, Like, how are they going to prove

909
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 2: to you that there are ghosts? What have they got?

910
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: What's the equipment?

911
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 23: Good question. I don't know that yet. She said to

912
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 23: me that this scientific side of things, And then I

913
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Speaker 23: guess other people just see things or maybe feel things.

914
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Speaker 23: I'm not one hundred percent sure. I'm open to whatever happens.

915
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: If Vicky, they established that there are ghosts, are you

916
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: going to sell up and move on or are you

917
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: just going to hang out there with the ghosts?

918
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 23: Funny you should say that she's on the market, so

919
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 23: whoever wants it can have of the ghosts too, because

920
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 23: they're nice.

921
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: VICKI thank you. I appreciate it. She's on the market.

922
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: So if you've got a spare whatever to buy, I

923
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: don't know to buy a hotel on funger Warmurna with

924
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: three ghosts. So you go, Vicky Pratt, owner of the hotel.

925
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: All right, it's gonna deal with Stuart Nash later. And

926
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Speaker 2: by the way, did you know that you remember on

927
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Speaker 2: the night that Auckland flooded because you remember the Auckland

928
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: Anniversary floods and how the council was really crapped you

929
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: did you know that they were drinking in the Mayor's

930
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Speaker 2: office for a lot of that known me neither. I'm

931
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Speaker 2: going to tell you that story five twenty one on.

932
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Speaker 1: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your

933
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: car on your drive home. It's Heather Do for c

934
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: Ellen Drive with one New Zealand and the power of

935
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Speaker 1: satellite mobile news talks.

936
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Speaker 2: They'd be hither. The spiritual world is as real as

937
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 2: the one where and don't be scared, thank you? You

938
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 2: know that? You know that's that works a little bit

939
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: like when you say don't think of an elephant, and

940
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: then everybody thinks of an elephant. If you say don't

941
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: be scared of the ghosts. That doesn't help AY five

942
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: twenty four potty mouth Alert. So the question is should

943
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: Stuart Nash have been fired for what he said? I

944
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: think the answer is probably yes, because it was pretty crass. Now,

945
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: when he was asked what a woman was, he said,

946
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: and I'm warning you it's coming. A woman is a

947
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,959
Speaker 2: person with a pussey and a pair of tits. Now,

948
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: if you know Stuart, you know he was just trying

949
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 2: to make a joke. And any of us who've made

950
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 2: jokes that have landed really badly know that no one

951
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 2: joke as poor as it is should define us. But

952
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: it may well be the most crass thing that I

953
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: can ever recall hearing a New Zealand politician say in

954
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 2: the media. And the thing is, Stuart Nash was probably

955
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: hired by Robert Walters because of his profile. It felt

956
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 2: like one of those jobs that are given to former

957
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 2: politicians because simply because they're kind of famous for being politicians,

958
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 2: and the hope is that that profile would then bring

959
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: in work or a little bit of profile for the

960
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: outfit itself. This happens a lot, right. You had Paula

961
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: Bennett in with the real estate lot Fletcher Tabiteau in

962
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: with the lobbyist outfit Chris Favowi and with the insurance

963
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 2: lost and lot we just go on. The list is

964
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: just incredibly long. But when that politician tarn that profile

965
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: by saying something silly, the value of the politician to

966
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: the employer has lost. So it's a pretty straightforward decision

967
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 2: for Robert Walters Stuart Nash no longer has any benefit

968
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: to them. And this is not to mention the fact

969
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 2: that Robert Walters itself has already been cutting down jobs

970
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: in New Zealand. Nash was already down to three days

971
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 2: a week now. The most interesting question is what it

972
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: actually means for his future with New Zealand. First, and

973
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: I legit cannot call this for you. I don't know.

974
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: On the one hand, a lude joke like this might

975
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 2: go down well with the working class voters that Shane

976
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 2: Jones appeals to, but then it might go down really

977
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: badly with a conservative women who love Winston. It feels

978
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 2: like the kind of joke that Shane Jones would enjoy,

979
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: but that Winston Peters would absolutely hate from the depths

980
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Speaker 2: of his heart. So it kind of feels like a

981
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: contest between team Shane's voters and Team Winston's voters. I

982
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: think ultimately Nashi's future with New Zealand first comes down

983
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: to whether he can convince Winston that it was a

984
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: silly mistake and that he won't make it again.

985
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 3: Heather Duplicy Ellen.

986
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So this is what happened for anyone outside of Auckland,

987
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: just a reminder of what happened on the night of

988
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Speaker 2: the anniversary weekend in twenty twenty three right Auckland was

989
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: It was Elton John was playing that night, and it

990
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 2: was a bit overcast, and Auckland was just going about

991
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: a bit of a summer's day, just doing its thing

992
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: and getting ready for the weekend. And we were just

993
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: doing our show. And then five point thirty that night,

994
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: something was wrong. We could tell something is wrong because

995
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: we were getting all of these alerts to say all

996
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: the fire trucks in the city are being used, there's flooding,

997
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 2: everything's going down. But remember Auckland Council was really crap

998
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: at their response, and they did not sign a state

999
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: of emergency thing declaration until half past nine, and then

1000
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 2: didn't tell the public until quarter past ten because they

1001
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 2: were having drinks. It now transpires in Wayne Brown's office.

1002
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Speaker 2: They started the booze up. I don't know what time,

1003
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: but the guy who's now the chief executive walked in

1004
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: at quarter past four and they were already at it.

1005
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: Now that's fine, I mean, it's only an hour before knockoff,

1006
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: you know, so whatever. But then he comes back at

1007
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: seven forty five, which by the way, is two hours

1008
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: after we at newstalk ZB know something is going wrong

1009
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: out there. Two hours into the thing. Thus still on

1010
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: the ras in Wayne Brown's office. Anyway, the thing about

1011
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: this that is particularly interesting is that this didn't come

1012
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: out in that report that Mike Bush did, did it.

1013
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: Remember Mike Bush did the report where he talked about

1014
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: all he left out the juicy bits. Now, this is

1015
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 2: a lesson in us remembering. And this is the best

1016
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: case of it so far that I can think of.

1017
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 24: That.

1018
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: When you get a report right and it gives you

1019
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: the information, always ask who asked for the report, because

1020
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: whoever paid for the report probably gets a final sale

1021
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: on what goes into the report. And I would say

1022
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: that probably happened here, don't you think. And that's why

1023
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: we didn't find out about the drinks until now. Until

1024
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 2: the local body elections and someone's leaked it. So there

1025
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: you go. If you're looking for a nice job that

1026
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: loves having a booze on Friday night, here it is

1027
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: Mayor's office.

1028
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 7: News is next, cutting through the noise to get the facts.

1029
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: It's Heather Do for Cellen Drive with one New Zeala coverage.

1030
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 3: Like no one else US talks.

1031
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: They'd be you don't have to flood lord. Okay, if

1032
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: local government makes you angry, then like it does me,

1033
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: after six o'clock, we are going to talk about where

1034
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: the people who are just there and unelected should make decisions,

1035
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: or whether it should be the elected people who talk

1036
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: to Neil Holdham, Mayor of New Plymouth. Just a quick

1037
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: update on the Reserve Bank. The current governor, the acting governor,

1038
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 2: Christian Hawksby's given a speech and he's admitted that the

1039
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: Reserve Bank has been in the news for all the

1040
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: wrong reasons too much this year and has said the

1041
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 2: Central Bank faces a test of trust and confidence as

1042
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: an organization, which is obviously a statement of fact, but

1043
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 2: it's nice to know that they can see that because

1044
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: it's not you can't always rely on them to notice

1045
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 2: the obvious, so that's heartening. Twenty four away from six.

1046
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 2: Now we've got the list of new subjects that years

1047
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: eleven to thirteen students will be able to choose in

1048
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: the curriculum shakeup. They include Civics, Politics and Philosophy, Media

1049
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 2: and Communications, further maths, and Electronics and Mechatronics. Erica Stanford

1050
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: is with us. Hello, Erica, Hello, How are you very well?

1051
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: Thank you? Is there a theme here? You adding these

1052
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 2: subjects for a particular reason?

1053
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 25: Look, there is. There is certainly a STEM theme. You'll

1054
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 25: be able to see that in other countries. We compare

1055
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 25: ourselves to offer things like further maths and data analysis,

1056
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 25: but we don't do that because we haven't had the

1057
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 25: ability to. Frankly, we just haven't had kids who are

1058
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 25: at curriculum. And now that we've got this whole reform

1059
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 25: program going, we can actually look to the future and go, well,

1060
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 25: what does that look like if we've got more kids

1061
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 25: who are at curriculum and in these STEM subjects and

1062
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 25: further maths is something that lots of other countries offer

1063
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 25: but we don't. So there is a bit of a

1064
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 25: STEM theme with the electronics and mechatronics further maths. There's

1065
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 25: also applied maths which is, you know, maths for people

1066
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 25: who want to go into the trades, So really good

1067
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 25: solid maths. But isn't your insane calculus thing for many

1068
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 25: people find difficult?

1069
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 16: Yeah?

1070
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: What about civics? Why is that in there?

1071
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 25: Look, it's something that I think has been called for

1072
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 25: for a very long time. I remember talking about it

1073
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 25: when I was at university myself being interviewed on it

1074
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 25: by the news about why we didn't teach civics and

1075
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 25: schools and there are many schools out there who have

1076
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Speaker 25: kind of cobbled bits and pieces of other standards together

1077
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 25: to try and create philosophy and politics and civics courses.

1078
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 25: But this will be a whole year's curriculum worth of those,

1079
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 25: and I think it's about time.

1080
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: Have you guys dropped agriculture.

1081
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 25: No, it's being created as a industry led pathway, so

1082
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 25: it'll be sort of your food and fiber agriculture standards

1083
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 25: or curriculum that will be strengthened and aligned with what

1084
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 25: industry want, and also aligned with tertiary qualification. So those

1085
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 25: lucky students doing that will come out with not only

1086
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 25: a secondary qualification, but also potentially level two and three

1087
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 25: tertiary qualifications as well.

1088
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: Now, just on what's going on at the moment with

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Speaker 2: the primary and secondary school teachers and the fact that

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Speaker 2: some of them are striking, others are thinking about strike.

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Speaker 2: Are you guys in government going to limit the ability

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Speaker 2: of public workers to strike.

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Speaker 25: Look, it's not something that it's in my a bit

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Speaker 25: of things that I look at it. It's Judith Collins,

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Speaker 25: Minister Collins. She hasn't spoken, she hasn't spoken to me

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Speaker 25: about it, So I'm not aware of any work that's underway. Look,

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Speaker 25: I say it is frustrating because in good faith we've

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Speaker 25: put literally everything on the table and said, look, this

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Speaker 25: is the total quantum and let's work within it to

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Speaker 25: make sure that it works for you. And you know,

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Speaker 25: we've met their demands. We've already put a whole lot

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Speaker 25: of money into three quarters of a billion into learning support,

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Speaker 25: you know. And I hear Liam Rutherford from the Nzity

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Speaker 25: Eye on the news saying, oh, it's not about pay,

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Speaker 25: it's about learning support. It's like, well, we just had

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Speaker 25: the biggest boost in learning support in a generation, three

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Speaker 25: quarters of a billion dollars. That answered almost everything that

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Speaker 25: teachers wanted. More teacher aides, more learning support, coordinators, more

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Speaker 25: money for high needs. You know, it was a huge,

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Speaker 25: significant package. So it just feels like the stands keep

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Speaker 25: sort of shifting.

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Speaker 2: I can understand your frustration, Erica, Thank you very much, Erica,

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Speaker 2: Stanford Education Minister. Twenty one away from six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find your

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Speaker 2: If it wasn't for low rates and things getting done,

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Speaker 2: mayor Brown would be gone, then you'll probably bang on

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Speaker 2: on the huddle with US. Craig rennisi TU Chief Economist

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Speaker 2: and Nick Leggett Infrastructure, New Zealand. Hello you too, Craig.

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Speaker 2: On the shooting is I can hear you on the

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Speaker 2: shooting of Charlie kirk over in the US. I think

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Speaker 2: we've I mean, I think we can all accept this

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Speaker 2: is the new normal over there, isn't it.

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Speaker 26: It definitely seems to be. You know, we've we've had

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Speaker 26: the shooting, the shooting of Donald Trump. There's been a

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Speaker 26: range of shootings of other congressmen and congress women. It's

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Speaker 26: a country with a Second Amendment and arguably far too

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Speaker 26: many firearms. You know, it does seem to be a

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Speaker 26: sort of a cost of doing business to be in

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Speaker 26: public office in the US.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Nichols, If what worries me is

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Speaker 2: if it catches on there and becomes established, that kind

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Speaker 2: of flows into the rest of the world and possibly

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Speaker 2: even here, doesn't it.

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Speaker 6: I think that's what we have to be on guard about.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think kiwis value a liberal democracy when

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Speaker 6: we look at America, and you know, I do also

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Speaker 6: think that we've lived in an age of relative calm,

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Speaker 6: whereas political violence has actually often been the norm in

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Speaker 6: the United States if you look back, you know, one hundred,

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Speaker 6: one hundred and fifty two hundred years. That's no excuse.

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Speaker 6: We have to tackle this head on. But actually, you know,

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Speaker 6: I was not a follower of Charlie Kirk. I am

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Speaker 6: not a fan of most of what he says, but

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Speaker 6: I do support him and people like his right to

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Speaker 6: say it and their opponents. And I think that if

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Speaker 6: we get to this point where people are taken out

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Speaker 6: by the use of violence for being controversial, we we

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Speaker 6: are we are skating so fast and so far away

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Speaker 6: from democracy that we're we're in trouble as a society.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a fair point, all right. Craig

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Speaker 2: what's your take on Stuart Nash. I'm getting a lot

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Speaker 2: of texts on either side of this debate. Does he

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Speaker 2: have a future in New Zealand first or not?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 26: I mean that'll be up to New Zealand First and to say,

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Speaker 26: but my guess is that he probably doesn't in terms of,

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Speaker 26: you know, the court of public opinion. I think what

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Speaker 26: he said was was pretty out there. It doesn't fit

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Speaker 26: with anything I've ever heard the form of deprem Minister

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Speaker 26: Winston Peter's ever say. It's certainly not language I think

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Speaker 26: he would find acceptable in any in any meeting I've

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Speaker 26: ever been with him in so I really do struggle

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Speaker 26: with the idea that he would have a front bench

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Speaker 26: publicly facing role after this.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon Nick.

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Speaker 24: Well?

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Speaker 6: I mean, obviously his employer has spoken and this is

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Speaker 6: a pretty gross thing to say. And I think though

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Speaker 6: that you know, think about the last topic, there are

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Speaker 6: people are saying, you know, more and more outrageous things

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Speaker 6: and using language that's out there. New Zealand first, and

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Speaker 6: I agree Winston would have no truck with this kind

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Speaker 6: of language. But it has to be a kind of

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Speaker 6: broad coalition and when you're going for seven eight ten

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Speaker 6: percent of the vote, you can actually afford for eighty

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Speaker 6: or ninety percent of the electric to not be you

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Speaker 6: made and not think you say, you're speaking the right words,

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Speaker 6: and that's that's you know, this is a proportional electoral

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Speaker 6: system we've got and that's the reality of it. So

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Speaker 6: I think that New Uettle First will make that decision

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Speaker 6: and they'll they'll obviously have their future and mind when

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Speaker 6: they do it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess the question is Craig, I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is a fantastic point that Nick has made. Is

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Speaker 2: right even if ninety percent of people don't like it,

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Speaker 2: it's just a ten percent that have to And is

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Speaker 2: it the right ten percent for New Zealand First? Is it?

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Speaker 2: Will their voters be okay with it?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 26: I think actually one of the reasons that they have

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Speaker 26: tried to bring Stuart back in is because they were

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Speaker 26: looking at the seat of Nepier thinking can we get

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Speaker 26: a seat, which means that regardless of wherefore we sit

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Speaker 26: on the threshold, we always get back into Parliament. And

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Speaker 26: so it's actually much more it's that ten percent rule

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Speaker 26: would apply if they weren't trying to win that seat back,

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Speaker 26: and so you need to get you know, the plurality

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Speaker 26: of volts in Nepier, and that's why this is so important,

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Speaker 26: because that language, you're not going to win the plurality

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Speaker 26: of votes and Nepier on that basis.

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Speaker 2: Does Napier include Havelock North?

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Speaker 26: I honestly no, I reckon.

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Speaker 2: They might might be. Okay, then do we have locked North?

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Speaker 2: That is like, oh no, you can't say that.

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Speaker 6: There is.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 6: We don't know, we don't know how this is going

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Speaker 6: to play in different parts of the country. In my

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Speaker 6: view was most people don't use that language, and most

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Speaker 6: people would think it was pretty poor taste and afits

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Speaker 6: of on some in some instances.

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Speaker 2: So it was out the gate crass, wasn't it.

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Speaker 24: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Really so?

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Speaker 6: But in a year's time, I mean, let's see if

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Speaker 6: it's you know, if it's remembered. I mean people do

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Speaker 6: say outrageous things from time to time and they're forgive them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And look, I think that an element part of

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Speaker 2: me wants to forgive them because it was just a

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Speaker 2: bad joke, wasn't it. Anyway, Listen, we'll take a break,

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Speaker 2: come back shortly. Almost caught it too.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the huddle. We've got Nick Leggan

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Speaker 2: and Craig Renny with us. Nick, now this Dame Nole's debate.

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Speaker 2: I'm putting this down to a generational problem where the

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Speaker 2: younger generation doesn't like hard work words and what is

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Speaker 2: it that they said that they're psychologically unsafe? What do

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Speaker 2: you think it is?

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Speaker 6: Well, I would have to give Dame Nolan the benefits

1232
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Speaker 6: of the doubt as well, but it does speak to

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Speaker 6: something that's clearly been festering away, I think is how

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Speaker 6: it was described. And I do worry you. I think

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Speaker 6: New Zealand is a non confrontational and often the stuff

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Speaker 6: is left to fester and then it blows out of

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Speaker 6: all proportion, and you do wonder if those responsible should

1238
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Speaker 6: have intervened earlier and got it sorted. But I think

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Speaker 6: there are some hard conversations, you know. I think a

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Speaker 6: lot generations do differ, and I think that it would

1241
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Speaker 6: be fair to say that there are elements of this

1242
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Speaker 6: generation coming up that probably don't like to be spoken to,

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Speaker 6: or wouldn't find it acceptably spoken to in a way

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Speaker 6: that perhaps either you, Craig or I would be, but

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Speaker 6: that has to be discussed and confronted so this stuff

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Speaker 6: would be sorted because it's so important to allow crises

1247
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Speaker 6: like this to develop.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. It's sparked a debate in the office today,

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Speaker 2: Craig about whether you do have to be hard ass

1250
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Speaker 2: in order to be successful as a coach. Do you

1251
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 2: have to be tough on these guys to get the

1252
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 2: excellence or can you actually go softly, softly just let

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Speaker 2: them sort of lead themselves to excellence.

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Speaker 26: I think the key thing is you've got to work

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Speaker 26: with people that you're working with, and you've got to

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Speaker 26: work with their skills and their talents, and you've got

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Speaker 26: to work with how you know, you've got to bring

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Speaker 26: the best out of people, and sometimes that can mean

1259
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Speaker 26: being hard.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes that can mean, you know, putting.

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Speaker 6: An arm around them.

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Speaker 26: The best football managers, the best you know, sports managers,

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Speaker 26: they work with the people that are in front of

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Speaker 26: them and they work with them on their strengths and weaknesses.

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Speaker 26: So I think it's it's it's much more complicated than

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Speaker 26: that than just sort of saying, you know, you've got

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Speaker 26: to be Alex Ferguson type and be hard and tlevel much.

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Speaker 2: Well, he was pretty successful, so your whole.

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Speaker 26: Life, you know, it didn't because if you think about

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Speaker 26: someone like David Beckham, you know, if you're kicking the

1271
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Speaker 26: boots in his face and then he ups and leaves

1272
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Speaker 26: and goes to Real Madrid and has a fantastic career there,

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Speaker 26: then you know, arguably that backfired. But it stage, Oh

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Speaker 26: he did pretty well at Real Madrid, you know. But

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Speaker 26: I think you know, and I trust me as a

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Speaker 26: Newcastle fan, I would have taken them at Newcastle at

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Speaker 26: that point. And but but I think you know, it's

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Speaker 26: about it's about building, working with the workers that you

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Speaker 26: have and working with their talents.

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Speaker 2: Suppose this is true. You know this is a parent,

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Speaker 2: don't you, nick. I mean, some of the kids can

1282
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Speaker 2: can handle a bit of the old tough love and

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Speaker 2: then other ones, you know, you just look at them

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Speaker 2: and they start crying.

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Speaker 6: Yes, exactly. And that's I think the point that Craig's making,

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Speaker 6: isn't it that you work with what you've got and

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Speaker 6: you adapt, you know, to people and and bring out

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Speaker 6: their skills in different ways, you know. And that's but

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Speaker 6: you know, you would I would imagine that that Dame

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Speaker 6: Nolen would do that there just seems to be some

1291
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Speaker 6: you know, but potentially a mismatch somewhere along the line here.

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Speaker 6: And as I say, I think if it had been

1293
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Speaker 6: brought out into the open earlier, perhaps it could have

1294
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Speaker 6: been you know, there would have been a different result.

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Speaker 6: I think this is set.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right, though. I think the born

1297
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Speaker 2: New Zealand has just completely cocked the thing up by

1298
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Speaker 2: the looks of things. Now, Craig, would you go and

1299
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Speaker 2: stay in a hotel if you knew that there were

1300
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Speaker 2: ghosts there?

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Speaker 6: Depend how it depends how stupid it is.

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Speaker 26: The level of spiritual activity in it is kind of irrelevant.

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Speaker 26: If it's good and she will absolutely staying it, and

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Speaker 26: in fact, if the fact that's supportedly haunted makes it cheaper, great, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 26: you know, sort of, no, you know, whether whether or not,

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Speaker 26: you know, I would be asking if the plumbing is

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Speaker 26: going to work, because it's often just the plumbing that's

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Speaker 26: making the people believe in the ghosts rather than actually

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Speaker 26: anything else. But yeah, right, right, rather than rather than

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Speaker 26: you believe in it being haunted.

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Speaker 16: And that's definitely not going to put me off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, what about you, Nick?

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Speaker 6: Well, no, I'm into it. I've done it. In fact,

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Speaker 6: I stayed at some Bethan's and Otago. There's the old

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Speaker 6: pubs here, and I stayed in the Haunted Room where

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Speaker 6: the woman apparently it actually turned out when I approached

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Speaker 6: the owner that it was probably garbage, but that was exciting.

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Speaker 6: And I've also stayed at the White tom Or Caves Hotel,

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Speaker 6: which has a definite sort of air about it, So yeah,

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Speaker 6: it would attract me rather than.

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Speaker 2: Del Okay, look at you.

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Speaker 6: I'm a gruleissh. I'm a goulish head.

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Speaker 2: Run to danger, Nick, run to danger. Yeah, guys love it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you the pair of you. Craig Rennie, Nick Leggott.

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Speaker 2: Ain't away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Art Radio powered by News Talk z be.

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Speaker 2: Good point, Heather. Seems to be a common thread here

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Speaker 2: regarding coaches getting sacked in New Zealand. They are all

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Speaker 2: women's coaches netball, football, swimming, cycling, hockey, The list goes on,

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Speaker 2: oh and women's rugby. Grant. Thank you for making the point. Now,

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Speaker 2: should we be honest about why that is, we'll just

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Speaker 2: we'll just say it right, that's because women are Karens

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Speaker 2: and I say that in the same way that you know,

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Speaker 2: like I shouldn't make generalizations, and yet I just have,

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Speaker 2: and I know that I shouldn't, but you can. You

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Speaker 2: can broadly generalize because you know it's often stereotypes are true. Right,

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Speaker 2: So men are more resilient because I think because the

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Speaker 2: well I don't. We don't need to go into that.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's because they're sometimes not even tuned

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01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 2: in and don't know what's going on. But men just

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Speaker 2: focus at the task, focus on the task at hand,

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Speaker 2: and get on with it.

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Speaker 24: Right.

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Speaker 2: Rere's women have a moan about it. Afterwards, we have

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Speaker 2: a moan about it. Moan, moan, moan, and then we

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Speaker 2: talk to each other. Oh no, and then we go

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Speaker 2: you know what, you and I we need to go

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Speaker 2: see the Players Associated. No, we're going to the players.

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Speaker 2: We're going to the Players Association on behalf of all

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Speaker 2: of us because we've all been just abuse and we're

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Speaker 2: psychologically trauma traumatized by Dame Nolth. And then we go

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Speaker 2: to the Players Association and the player Oh no, no,

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Speaker 2: need a review. So then we do a review. And

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Speaker 2: now we've ruined someone's Now we've ruined someone's career, allegiance

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Speaker 2: career because we just wanted to moan. Because we're women, ladies,

1357
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Speaker 2: to be honest about it, this is what we do.

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Speaker 2: We do it all the time. Men just get on

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Speaker 2: with it. You don't see men complaining about things like this,

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Speaker 2: having a bitch and a moan. Sort it out, ladies.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise we deserve all the crap that we get for

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Speaker 2: being women, and often we do. Hey, we've got a

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Speaker 2: couple of pieces of really good news for you. The

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Speaker 2: first one is Prince Harry's caught up with with King Charles,

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Speaker 2: and that's a good piece of news because I hate

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01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 2: seeing families fall apart, and this is just ridiculous from adults.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just was complaining. I was just saying,

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Speaker 2: men don't get involved in this. And there's three men

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Speaker 2: who have just had this most epic catfire, haven't they,

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Speaker 2: Charles and William and Harry. Anyway, has Her hasn't seen

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Speaker 2: his dad since February last year, so they've finally seen

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Speaker 2: each other. They had a slightly shy of an hour

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Speaker 2: catch up, had a cup of tea or whatever they did,

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Speaker 2: and then he left and he said his father is great,

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Speaker 2: So that's nice also, and we will talk to get

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Speaker 2: Inani Brady about it when he's with us out of

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Speaker 2: the UK just before seven o'clock. Also, avocados are super cheap,

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Speaker 2: apparently reaching as low as nineteen cents in parts of

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Speaker 2: this country. Now I don't know where they are nineteen cents,

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Speaker 2: but if you know where they are nineteen cents, you

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Speaker 2: need to text me on nine two nine two, Thanks

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Speaker 2: very much. The Germans says if she saw an avocado

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Speaker 2: price at nineteen cents, she wouldn't buy it because she

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Speaker 2: would number one, think it was stolen. I mean, she

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Speaker 2: isn't nutty. She said she'd think it was stolen and

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Speaker 2: being sold to her whatever made who's going to steal

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Speaker 2: a nineteen cents of akado and whatever? Anyway? But also

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01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 2: she'd think would be a dud. But that's okay because

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01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 2: you and I can buy it. So if you know

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Speaker 2: where they get there at nineteen cents, let me know anyway,

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Speaker 2: Talk local government, next news talks Edbre's you know, I

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Speaker 2: continue inn and indeed so many Dsjlgacy.

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Speaker 1: We're Business meets Insight Love a Business Hour with Heather Duplicy,

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Speaker 1: Ellen and Mays for Insurance investments and Julie Safer, you're

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Speaker 1: in good hands.

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Speaker 3: Newstalks edb.

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Speaker 2: Even in coming up in the next hour, Costco and

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Speaker 2: Ikea are coming to New Zealand. Sam Dickie's going to

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Speaker 2: explain to us just how excited we should be because

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Speaker 2: they are awesome and very big companies. Jamie McKay is

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Speaker 2: going to be there shortly. An end of Brady will

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Speaker 2: join us out of the UK right now at seven

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Speaker 2: past six now, the Act Party is rolling out policies

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01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 2: ahead of their first shot at local elections, and one

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Speaker 2: of their proposals is to scrap voting rights for unelected

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Speaker 2: council members that we're talking about Mana, Fina World pointies,

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Speaker 2: youth councilor positions and so on. Neil Holdham is the

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Speaker 2: mayor of New Plymouth and with us, Hey.

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Speaker 24: Neil got a head the hair done.

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Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you. Did you guys have do

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Speaker 2: you have unelected positions on your council?

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Speaker 24: Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, we've got well look they've been elected

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Speaker 24: by their own people. But yeah, we have a committee

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Speaker 24: that's got five councilors and a representative of each of

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Speaker 24: our five EWI and you know they make decisions they

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Speaker 24: do things like road naming, allocating funds to MURI. They

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Speaker 24: make recommendations on a whole range of council issues and

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Speaker 24: it's been We've been doing it for eight years, works

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Speaker 24: works really well. And I mean I look at this

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Speaker 24: whole thing. You know, you've got these political parties in

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Speaker 24: Wellington and they're laying awake at night. You know, we've

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Speaker 24: got cost of living issues, the inability to build infrastructure.

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Speaker 24: People haven't got homes to live in and this is

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Speaker 24: the stuff that's keeping them up at night. You know,

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Speaker 24: it's a joke. And I mean you know they do

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Speaker 24: of the.

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Speaker 2: Cost of living for you. I mean, like it is possible,

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Speaker 2: isn't it? Because how much can they can?

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Speaker 24: You give us an example of one example where having

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Speaker 24: an EI representative on a council committee has caused a

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Speaker 24: problem for somebody or somebody's messed out. Well, hold on

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Speaker 24: a good policy problem.

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Speaker 2: Didn't you just say the ACT Party and people in

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Speaker 2: central government should be focused on the cost of living?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Okay, So so how many you've got five of

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Speaker 2: these man offener positions?

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Speaker 26: Have you?

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Speaker 24: Yes? Correct?

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Speaker 2: And who pays the wages of these man of feneral positions?

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Speaker 24: Well, look, yeah, we pay them an hourly rate for sure,

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Speaker 24: and if we, if we didn't, I think it's I

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Speaker 24: think it's about eighty or one hundred dollars.

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Speaker 2: An hour, Neil, eighty or one hundred eighty or one

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Speaker 2: hundred dollars an hour. That's like twice what you pay

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Speaker 2: for a senior builder.

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Speaker 16: What are you doing well, I don't know.

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Speaker 24: I mean, didn't we just pay forty four thousand dollars

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Speaker 24: to fly a couple of prime ministers to the top

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Speaker 24: of them?

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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean you're just as somebody else is making

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Speaker 2: a stupid decision.

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Speaker 12: So point so we're paying.

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Speaker 2: We're paying possibly up to five hundred dollars for these

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Speaker 2: people who are unelected to sit there around the council

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Speaker 2: and give their vibes on things that pushes up your rates.

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Speaker 24: There you go, cost of I think that. I think

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Speaker 24: what you're saying is if we, if we, if they

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Speaker 24: weren't there, that we wouldn't have people in those sects

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Speaker 24: because we would be prank councilors.

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Speaker 2: So are you telling me that you have just taken

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Speaker 2: five enough positions away to put unelted people. Literally just

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Speaker 2: asked me the question, Neil, before you said who are

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Speaker 2: these people taking things from? And I can tell you

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Speaker 2: it's elected positions now because you're talking.

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Speaker 24: About such a minuscule amount of money on the on

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Speaker 24: the bigger picture, you know this is not going to

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Speaker 24: materially change the cost of living councils, you know, when

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Speaker 24: we pick up your rubbish, how often we mow the lawns,

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Speaker 24: when we're replacing pipes down the street. And you've got

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Speaker 24: these micro managers in Wellington that now want to determine

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Speaker 24: what the committee structures are.

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Speaker 2: Well, hey, what's yours struct What was your rating?

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Speaker 24: What was your rating for average rate increase for newponments

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Speaker 24: district council this year? Was about seven point five percent?

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Speaker 2: That's not bad, seven point five percent.

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Speaker 24: That's correct.

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Speaker 2: And what was it last year?

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Speaker 24: I was about twelve?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, okay, But but I think you know, if you're

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Speaker 18: if you're a hold on but if you're trying to

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Speaker 18: draw a connection between you know, EWE representatives on council

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Speaker 18: and those numbers, you know, you know, I could tear

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Speaker 18: that argument to pieces here that it's an absolute nonsense.

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Speaker 24: Government have been putting non elected members on things like,

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Speaker 24: I mean, district health boards. The acting National Party were

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Speaker 24: quite happy to support those for years and guess who

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01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 24: they put on their non elected members, government appointed and

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01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 24: they were making decisions about money. This is actually about

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01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 24: Mary bashing. This is about climbing over the fence and saying.

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Speaker 17: Yes it is.

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Speaker 24: It's about climbing over the fence and saying we're doing

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Speaker 24: such a good job in Wellington of getting the economy going,

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01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 24: getting the housing built, getting the cost of living down,

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01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 24: that we've got time to climb over into that eight

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Speaker 24: percent that counsels manage and tell them how to do it.

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Speaker 24: I'm waiting for the policy on what days we have

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Speaker 24: to mow the lawns. But we need to be told,

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Speaker 24: trouble well, what don't we need to We get to

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Speaker 24: be told every three years the same as them by

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Speaker 24: our electorate. But they micro managers, Neil. And the reality

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Speaker 24: is if they were doing a kick ass job down there,

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01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 24: and then then I'd say, yep, okay, look, you know

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Speaker 24: I've got a lot to learn from you, because you

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Speaker 24: guys are smoking it. You know, you're doing amazing.

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Speaker 2: I think you make a fair point. I think you

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01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,879
Speaker 2: make a fair point. But hear me out on this, Okay.

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Speaker 2: So what you're saying is it's Mardi bashing, and I

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01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 2: really object to that.

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Speaker 24: It's not because they're used it in their example.

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Speaker 2: Well hold on, but they also use the youth councils,

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01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 2: didn't they the youth council say that.

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Speaker 24: But it's primarily focused because I think there's one example of.

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Speaker 2: A youth neil because you're you're very compelling and very

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Speaker 2: likable until you start cherry picking stuff and then I

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Speaker 2: start losing patience.

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Speaker 24: Well, you start cherry picking stuff. My daughters were saying,

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Speaker 24: they were looking forward to the summary.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so do you remember when hawks Pay did that thing,

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Speaker 2: one of the Hawk's Bay counselors, and they had.

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Speaker 16: That the youth.

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Speaker 2: We went like, we rained hell fire on them for

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Speaker 2: the youth counselor's thing. So to say it's just Mardi

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01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 2: bashing is not fair because when other examples crop up,

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Speaker 2: like the youth counselors, they get just as much grief

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Speaker 2: for it. And also what I would say to you

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Speaker 2: is I know that you think that that you can't

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Speaker 2: really draw a line necessarily between this and what happens

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Speaker 2: with rates, But I would put to you that it's

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Speaker 2: an attitude problem that we have at local council where

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Speaker 2: if it's not you pay these guys over the going

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Speaker 2: rate for things, and then I'm not saying necessary.

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Speaker 24: People stay aligns with government's fees. You know, they've got

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Speaker 24: a fee schedule for all of the boards that they

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Speaker 24: allocate people, and our fees are well in line with them.

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Speaker 24: So so in terms of what we're paying, it's consistent.

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Speaker 24: But but I mean, I'll just oh, you know, in

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Speaker 24: the big picture of things, we're working really well with

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Speaker 24: Marty and it's delivering results for our people. We're getting

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Speaker 24: projects done. Cool, we're cutting through a lot of the rebound.

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Speaker 24: You're makings well, no, no, because what it is is

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Speaker 24: about a group of people in Wellington that you know. Well,

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Speaker 24: I'll let you know. The public decide how efficient central

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Speaker 24: government is that they're so confident in their own abilities

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01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 24: that they're micro know what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: You're doing that annoying thing that kids do to parents

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Speaker 2: without Now Johnny, wasn't that good either. Well, I just

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Speaker 2: want better from both of you, Neil. I want you

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Speaker 2: guys at local government to do a better job and

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Speaker 2: Central so are you're.

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Speaker 24: Saying it's better not to have you don't believe that

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Speaker 24: we should be able to bring in the people that

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Speaker 24: we feel will add value.

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Speaker 2: To our unelected positions.

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Speaker 7: Get rid of all of them, really, yea.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Okay, thank you for asking me, Neil.

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Speaker 2: It's lovely to chat to you. Neil hold him, but

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Speaker 2: he regrets that now I got the last word, and

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Speaker 2: that's not what his daughters wanted. Mayror of New Plymouth. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So MSNBC has had to apologize because when the Charlie

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Speaker 2: Kerr shooting became public, they were live on air, obviously,

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Speaker 2: and they had a political analyst, Matthew Dowd on when

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Speaker 2: the news came in, and this is what he said.

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Speaker 27: He's been one of the most divasive, especially divisive younger

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01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 27: figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this

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Speaker 27: sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups.

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Speaker 27: And I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to

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Speaker 27: hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions.

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Speaker 2: Basically what he was saying was, well, if Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 2: hadn't said the stuff he said, he wouldn't have got shot.

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Speaker 2: That's basically what Matthew Dad was saying. For that reason,

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Speaker 2: he is quite rightly no longer a political analyst at

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Speaker 2: MSNBC and as I say, they had to apologize quite rightly.

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Speaker 2: Quarter past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by Newstalk ZEBBI. Whether it's Macro

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Speaker 1: micro or just playing economics, it's all on the Business

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Speaker 1: Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and to mass for Insurance.

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Speaker 3: Kuye Saber. You're in good.

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Speaker 2: Ads, Heather. Yes, you took Neil down. Heather, you got

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Speaker 2: smoked by Neil now yeah, eighteen pass six.

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Speaker 3: The Rural Report on Heather do for see Alan Drive.

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Speaker 2: Jamie mckaye, host of the Countries with us Alo.

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Speaker 16: Jamie get Neil Neil.

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Speaker 24: I'll right, Heather, really, I won't.

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Speaker 10: I won't smoke you, Heather, try not to smoke you need.

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Speaker 2: Do you need Stuart to tell you what a woman is?

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Speaker 24: Uh? No, No, I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 10: We're having all sorts of issues with politicians in this

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Speaker 10: country telling a swa woman.

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Speaker 24: He was on my.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody tells me and said when he was on

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Speaker 2: your show and actually didn't sound that cross at stew

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Speaker 2: at all.

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Speaker 10: Well, he was on my show today and he didn't

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Speaker 10: sound that cross Stewart at all. But that of view,

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Speaker 10: and I had looked back on it was recorded at

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Speaker 10: about quarter to eleven this morning. I'm not sure whether

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Speaker 10: he knew at that stage that Stuart Nash had resigned

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Speaker 10: or was going to resign. Yeah, he said, oh, well,

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Speaker 10: he made a mistake. We all make mistakes. He immediately apologized,

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Speaker 10: business as usual. I suspect underneath it all he's human

1603
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Speaker 10: because you know him as as well as I do,

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Speaker 10: and the man himself has impeccable manners and etiquette.

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Speaker 24: He would never have mutted that himself.

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Speaker 2: No, I think you're quite right. Hey, listen, is it

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Speaker 2: the case that some forest is starting to regret getting

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Speaker 2: into the carbon farbing?

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Speaker 10: Well, A really interesting comment came out from in a

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Speaker 10: panel discussion from doctor Elizabeth Heigh, who's the chief executive

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Speaker 10: of the Forest Owners Association, and she's saying that it's

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Speaker 10: turned into a bit of a poison chalice for some growers.

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Speaker 10: They're starting to regret rushing into carbon credit farming. She's

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Speaker 10: saying that it's true that some people and this is

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Speaker 10: what we've been or I've been arguing all along, we're

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Speaker 10: treating it.

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Speaker 24: Like a bit like a gold rush rush.

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Speaker 10: She was fed up with dealing with a lot of

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Speaker 10: negativity around forestry, because most of it is.

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Speaker 24: Not negative at all.

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Speaker 10: But she said every forest needed to be actively managed,

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Speaker 10: but there were a small number of people failing to

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Speaker 10: uphold their legal and moral land management obligations. And then

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Speaker 10: she went on to save anyone says they can plant

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Speaker 10: and walk away, this is spray and walk away with

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Speaker 10: everything climate change is throwing at us. They are a

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Speaker 10: liability and they need to be held to account. So

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Speaker 10: strong words from a doctor Elizabeth on that one Federated

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Speaker 10: farmers when it comes to the carbon farming, they made

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Speaker 10: a good point. They said farmers could probably accept re

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Speaker 10: a forestation because the rates apparently in numbers of hectares

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Speaker 10: are no higher than they were twenty five years ago.

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Speaker 10: It's just where we're planting them right at the moment.

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Speaker 10: They're saying they could probably accept this real forestation if

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Speaker 10: it were driven entirely by the harvest market i e.

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Speaker 24: Log prices, etc.

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Speaker 10: However, seventy percent of the revenue for harvested trees was

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Speaker 10: coming from carbon, and they're saying they wouldn't be planted

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Speaker 10: at the scale they are the moment if it wasn't

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Speaker 10: for the carbon price. The other issue is with these

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01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 10: carbon farms, farms adjoining pine forests were losing the likes

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Speaker 10: of lambs, newborn lambs to feral pigs coming out of

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Speaker 10: the trees. Pest control has fallen away in these forests.

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Speaker 10: It's leading farmers to have to move away from sheep

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Speaker 10: to the likes of beef.

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Speaker 24: So it is a real issue.

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Speaker 10: And then there's the fact that carbon farming has made

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Speaker 10: sheep and beef farms more valuable, and that has a

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Speaker 10: negative effect on the return of assets for sheep and

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Speaker 10: beef farms. So yet it's an interesting argument, and I

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Speaker 10: think that the the forestry industry per se is getting

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01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:41,600
Speaker 10: a bit sick of being tarred with the carbon farming brush.

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Speaker 2: Jamie, it's good to talk to you. I really appreciate

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Speaker 2: you taking on that. There's Jamie mackay, host of the Country.

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Speaker 2: Heather Oakridge Fresh Limited sells four cagees of not four,

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Speaker 2: four cagees of avocados for twelve dollars sixty That works

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Speaker 2: out to be about sixty three cents per avocado. That's

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Speaker 2: great value. Ben, thank you for that tip. Six twenty three.

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Speaker 3: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicllen and Mass for insurance

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Speaker 1: investments and Kui Safer.

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Speaker 3: You're in good hands news talks that'd be hither.

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Speaker 2: It might be exciting for consumers to purchase cheap avocados,

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Speaker 2: and I'm one of them, but it's heartbreaking for those

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Speaker 2: growers who now have no value in their fruit. Look,

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Speaker 2: this is actually you do need to bear this in mind.

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Speaker 2: What's gone on is that basically the reason we're buying

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Speaker 2: so many cheap avocados is because we're not exporting as

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Speaker 2: many because Peru has just got so many coming out.

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Speaker 2: Now the US is completely drowning in Peru fruit. They

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Speaker 2: don't want any of our fruit, so they're selling it

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Speaker 2: to us. And so I do feel sorry for the

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Speaker 2: growers because they might have got a mint once upon

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Speaker 2: a time for these fruits, and now they're selling it

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Speaker 2: to us for what nineteen sixty three cents or something

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Speaker 2: like that. Six twenty five. Here's a bit of showbiz

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Speaker 2: newss lod Good times, weren't they move over? Ross Jen's

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Speaker 2: got a new bow. His name is Jim Curtis. I

1679
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Speaker 2: guess what he does for a job. He's a hypnotist,

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Speaker 2: Like he's actually actually a hypnotist. Now I'm happy for

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Speaker 2: Jen because this guy is hot. He's like one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent more. Imagine, it's kind of like a Yaquin Phoenix vibe.

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Speaker 2: Joaquin meets George Clooney, So it's an improvement on Joaquin.

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Speaker 2: And then he's because Joaquin is kind of a little menacing,

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Speaker 2: isn't he. He's a bit grim anyway, so a little

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Speaker 2: bit more, a little bit like George Clooney he looks,

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Speaker 2: but with Joaquin's sharp face. I'm overdoing this completely to

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Speaker 2: try and get anyway, whatever, go just go google him.

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Speaker 2: It's not She's not his first celebrity girlfriend because he

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Speaker 2: used to go out with Bethany Frankel, who's one of

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Speaker 2: the Housewives of New York. Anyway, she said on a

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Speaker 2: podcast that the reason that they split is because he's

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Speaker 2: a bit woo woo, a bit into wellness, and she

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Speaker 2: may have a point.

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Speaker 13: In our subconscious mind, we want to obchage, obtain something

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Speaker 13: what you know, it becomes exclusive. Sometimes that bleeds over

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Speaker 13: into dating.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 13: Subconsciously we realize that they feel they know something, you know,

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Speaker 13: because if they did know us, then they would not

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Speaker 13: be interested.

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Speaker 2: What I way prefer the Ghosts and the funger Mormona Hotel.

1703
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean to this woo word, Dippy,

1704
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 2: imagine getting imagine getting on the on the wines with

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Speaker 2: him on a Friday night. You'd be like, shut up.

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Speaker 2: Then what you would do is you would turn on

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Speaker 2: season four of The Morning Show, which is coming out

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Speaker 2: on Wednesday on Apple Plus. Do not do not miss

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Speaker 2: out on that, and that's a good time anyway. That's

1710
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Speaker 2: how we know about him because she hard launched him

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Speaker 2: at the premiere of that. Anyway, Sam Dickie like, if

1712
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Speaker 2: you love your retail, you're in for a treat. Next

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk Costco and I Care with Sam Dickey.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour where they header do for c Ellen

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Speaker 1: and MAS for insurance investors and Qui Safer and you're

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Speaker 1: in good heads news talks.

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Speaker 3: The'd be.

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Speaker 2: Like end of Brady is with us in about ten

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Speaker 2: minutes time. Out of the UK, there is quite a

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Speaker 2: quite a little brew ha ha that's developed in the

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Speaker 2: Labour Party because the UK Ambassador to the US, Peter Mandelsson,

1723
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Speaker 2: is in a bit of trouble over links to Epstein

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Speaker 2: and now the Labor MPs are demanding that he'd be sacked,

1725
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 2: and it's putting Keir Starman in an awkward position, which

1726
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 2: is basically where he's been there. He's never been out

1727
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 2: of an awkward position the entire time he's been in government.

1728
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 2: But anyway, we'll have a chat with Ender and just

1729
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 2: get his take on that. Heather Omg Neil Holdham living

1730
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 2: proof that counsels don't care about how they spend other

1731
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 2: people's money. Well, I think they to be fair to them.

1732
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 2: I really like Neil by the way. I think he's

1733
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 2: a very good sort. But I think they do care,

1734
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 2: but just not as much as we do, and just

1735
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 2: not as much as a private business does. And that's

1736
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 2: our problem is that we all, most of us work

1737
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 2: in the private sector, right, so we fight for every

1738
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 2: single dollar that we get to spend. You want the

1739
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 2: core club membership, They're like, nah, you can't have the

1740
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 2: corric what plan you're living on? It's not nineteen eighty

1741
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 2: five and you're fighting about every single dollar. Whereas these

1742
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 2: guys are like, oh, did you want you're unelected? Would

1743
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 2: you like the Curri club membership?

1744
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 24: Yeah?

1745
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 2: How many would you like?

1746
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:18,600
Speaker 10: You know?

1747
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 2: They kind of have that, so they care a little bit,

1748
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 2: but raally not enough for us. I'm not suggesting that

1749
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 2: the unelected people have Courri club memberships, but I wouldn't

1750
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 2: be surprised twenty four away from seven. Now, over the

1751
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 2: last few years we've managed to pull a couple of

1752
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 2: retail giants to shore and they changing our shopping landscape.

1753
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:36,839
Speaker 2: We've got Costco opening its first door and we Stalkland

1754
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, and now i Ka is going

1755
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 2: to be opening up at Sylvia Park in December this year.

1756
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 2: Sam Dickey from Fisher Funds is with us. Hello Sam,

1757
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 2: good evening hither. Now these are really really big business

1758
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 2: is very successful. What makes them so formidable formidable? Indeed,

1759
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,480
Speaker 2: they are phenomenal businesses.

1760
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 7: So Costco half a trillion dollar companies share price up

1761
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 7: around almost four thousand percent in the last twenty years,

1762
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:04,839
Speaker 7: and Ikea the biggest furniture retailer in the world. Costco

1763
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 7: is obsessive about its customers. So when they go into

1764
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 7: any board meeting, any management meeting, they always talk about

1765
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 7: how they can drive down the price of their goods

1766
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 7: for their customers. They never talk about how they can

1767
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 7: gouge more profit. Or margin out of you and I,

1768
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 7: and that's called scale. Economy is shared and its feeds

1769
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 7: on itself, and it's very hard for smaller players to

1770
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:29,679
Speaker 7: compete with and that's why they were stalking stores booming,

1771
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 7: and IKEA's motors is also at sheer scale, so four

1772
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 7: hundred and twenty two stores across sixty odd countries. What's

1773
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,799
Speaker 7: really interesting about Ikea though, is its unique ownership structure,

1774
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 7: and that's kind of a competitive advantage. So it is

1775
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 7: owned by Dutch and Swiss foundations, and the Dutch foundation

1776
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 7: model makes selling Ikea more or less impossible, which ensures

1777
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 7: independence from shareholders and that silly quarterly pressure, and it

1778
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 7: allows them to take one hundred year strategic view while

1779
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:58,680
Speaker 7: competitors chase short term gains.

1780
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 2: Interesting and why are they interested coming to New Zealand?

1781
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 7: Yes, well, what is interesting because global behemoths have sort

1782
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 7: of ignored New Zealand for the last fifty years because

1783
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 7: it's so small until now. And you know, you think

1784
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 7: about the biggest retailers in the world, warm Amazon Home Depot,

1785
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 7: none of them have ventured down here with local operations,

1786
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,719
Speaker 7: so so Costco, the third biggest retailer in the world

1787
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 7: is here, and that's because New Zealand is an attractive

1788
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 7: market because it's dominated by it sort of a small

1789
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 7: handful a cartel or an oligopoly of duopoly in each segment,

1790
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 7: so a small handful of supermarkets for Costco to disrupt,

1791
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 7: a small handful of furniture players for Ike to disrupt,

1792
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 7: and plus IQ sided the government's streamlined approval process to

1793
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 7: encourage overseas competition in retail, and of course it's a

1794
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 7: point in time thing. So New Zealand is an Auckland

1795
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 7: is a compact, affluent market. And while we're not number

1796
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 7: one on the global expansion list for these these great companies,

1797
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 7: they do get to us eventually.

1798
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,440
Speaker 2: Should retailers here in this country be worried.

1799
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 3: The look?

1800
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 7: I do think they have been sheltered these oligopolies until

1801
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 7: now from these global bohemos, so that the news is

1802
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 7: not quite as rosy. They're gonna have to run really

1803
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 7: fast to outcompete these companies. And remember that they only

1804
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 7: have one store each by the end of this year

1805
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 7: at Costco's plenty another one in South Auckland and another

1806
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,560
Speaker 7: one in christ too, so they kind of have a

1807
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 7: land and expand model that they don't really come down

1808
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 7: here just to have one store.

1809
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 2: And what about consumers? Should we be as stoked as

1810
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 2: we are?

1811
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1812
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 7: I think so it's great news for us. So again,

1813
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 7: Costco's obsessive about us, about you and I, and using

1814
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 7: its scale to drive down prices for us every day.

1815
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 7: That's nice to have and choices is always good. We've

1816
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 7: been restricted to a small handful of supermarket players and

1817
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 7: IKEA runs exceptionally lean profit margin and uses its massive

1818
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 7: scale to offer very low prices in that mantra that

1819
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 7: there's nothing free in life, but the best price you

1820
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 7: can get is when you do as much as you

1821
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 7: can yourself. So that's pretty exciting. So I think it's

1822
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 7: good news for us.

1823
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 2: So what does it mean for investors?

1824
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:01,679
Speaker 7: Well, for investors Costco doesn't mean much at all really

1825
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 7: because New Zealand's pretty tiny and we can't invest in

1826
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 7: the ike But it means quite a bit for investors

1827
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 7: in New Zealand companies. So on the good news front

1828
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 7: for main freight, allegedly, I think there's been in the press.

1829
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,959
Speaker 7: They've apparently won the ike in New Zealand logistics contract

1830
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:18,719
Speaker 7: and apart from being the best logistics operator in New Zealand.

1831
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 7: I suspect Maine Freights pretty unique hundred year vision gelled

1832
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 7: quite well with Ikea is pretty unique kind of one

1833
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 7: hundred year vision. It's pretty pretty rare to have that

1834
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:31,640
Speaker 7: long term vision. But for investors in listed retailers that

1835
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:35,679
Speaker 7: cross swords with IKEA companies like the warehouse Harvey Norman,

1836
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 7: they should those investors should revisit their investment thesis and

1837
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 7: make sure they've factored in a significant step up in

1838
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 7: competition from global winners.

1839
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, Sam as always really appreciated it. Sam Dickey,

1840
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 2: Fisher Funds will talk to you again in a week's time.

1841
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 2: It's nineteen away from seven.

1842
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:51,839
Speaker 3: Ever, do for Cea Ellens?

1843
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 8: Hey, can I just.

1844
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,559
Speaker 2: On the Dame no Lean's total. I think I feel

1845
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 2: like I haven't actually told you exactly how this played out,

1846
01:26:57,880 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 2: So just bear with me because I think this is

1847
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 2: fascinating now. Apparently this dispute between no Lean and the

1848
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 2: guys at Netball New Zealand, and by that I just

1849
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 2: been netballers and the management the bosses, I don't really know.

1850
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 2: Apparently it goes back to January. So what happened is

1851
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 2: the Silver Ferns played some training camps they went over

1852
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:17,480
Speaker 2: to Australia played against the Swifts, the New South Wales side,

1853
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:20,639
Speaker 2: and that they performed poorly. They basically lost all the games,

1854
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 2: and I don't think that all of the games were public,

1855
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 2: but they lost all four games. After that, they must

1856
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 2: have had a bit of a a dressing down from

1857
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 2: Dame Knowles because two of the players went crying to

1858
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 2: the Players Association and complained and they said that the

1859
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 2: environment had become psychologically unsafe for them and they described

1860
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:42,719
Speaker 2: a culture in which some felt fearful of raising issues

1861
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 2: with Dame Knowles. After that there was a bit of

1862
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 2: tearing and throwing or whatnot. And then I think the

1863
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 2: Players Association association with the one who pushed for a review.

1864
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,759
Speaker 2: So there was a review and the review found issues

1865
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 2: with the environment and this was presented to Dame Knowles

1866
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 2: and her assistance and they they didn't agree with it,

1867
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 2: so they got their lawyers and can test that review.

1868
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 2: So this has been going on for a little while,

1869
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 2: Like basically you can take it all the way back

1870
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 2: to January last year, right, but then things really had

1871
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 2: a wall. On Friday last week, the squad were due

1872
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:14,719
Speaker 2: to assemble in Auckland for a four day training camp

1873
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 2: and it never happened because the night before there was

1874
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 2: a crisis meeting and around the table was the board

1875
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 2: chair of Netball New Zealand, Matt Winnerey, who we spoke

1876
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 2: to on the show yesterday, Dame Knowles and her whole

1877
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 2: management team, and then High Performance Sport New Zealand rep

1878
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,640
Speaker 2: representatives and then members of the New Zealand Netball Players Association.

1879
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 2: Now apparently the talks lasted a whole day. Several solutions

1880
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 2: were put forward, including the option of bringing in the

1881
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 2: Silver Firm's defense of Great Tracy Fair and former All

1882
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 2: Blacks team manager Darren Shan to support the players coaching

1883
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 2: and management. This is like Dame Knowles's people. They all

1884
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 2: said no and so they stood down. That's what happened, right.

1885
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 2: So then I was pointed to the podcast Between Two Beers,

1886
01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:00,559
Speaker 2: which Dame Knowles spoke to in July. Listen to this.

1887
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 2: Every time when I look back on what I've done,

1888
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:04,839
Speaker 2: I thought.

1889
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 3: Ah, you poor players.

1890
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 28: You guys have been through how And that's why I'm

1891
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 28: so grateful for like the laws and the cases and

1892
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 28: a lot of those players who have stuck with me

1893
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:17,520
Speaker 28: because they've been tormented honestly, they've been abused and tormented

1894
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 28: sometimes with me.

1895
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 2: What do you think of that? Laws and Casey Ho

1896
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:27,679
Speaker 2: stuck with her, have been tormented like she has. Sound

1897
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 2: sounds fun and awesome, sounds really well managed, doesn't it

1898
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 2: not at all? Anyway, Oh, the German has sent me

1899
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 2: an article and she would like me to withdraw and apologize.

1900
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 2: In fact, in fact, sometimes avocados are stolen. And if

1901
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:47,879
Speaker 2: I had done my research dating back to twenty twenty

1902
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 2: a spinoff article, I would have found that, yes, there

1903
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 2: were in fact avocado gangs that in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,

1904
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen did in fact strip commercial

1905
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 2: trees take all of the avocados. And then she says

1906
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,719
Speaker 2: seldom to the local dairy. However, I've read the entire article.

1907
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 2: I find no proof of the local dairy bitten and

1908
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 2: that I think she has just made up. But anyway, whatever,

1909
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 2: so it is possible that there is avocado crime. However,

1910
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 2: I will point to the fact that at the time

1911
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:22,639
Speaker 2: that the avocado gangs were striking, as in hitting the trees,

1912
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 2: AVOs were selling for seven dollars fifty each. So it's

1913
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 2: a little bit of a different game now when they

1914
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 2: are nineteen cents, but point taken, I withdraw and apologize

1915
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:32,600
Speaker 2: quarter to approaching.

1916
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:34,120
Speaker 3: The numbers and getting the results.

1917
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 1: It's Heather due for Sea Ellen with the business hour,

1918
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 1: and Mas for insurance investments and Kui Saber you're in

1919
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:43,679
Speaker 1: good hands news talks that'd.

1920
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 2: Be text for Heather. Yay, Laura thumbs up, stop it

1921
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:49,640
Speaker 2: thirteen away from seven Endo Brady UK correspondence with US.

1922
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 17: Hello Ender, Hey, har good to speak to you.

1923
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:55,000
Speaker 2: Gain right, so are you? I looked at this hazard

1924
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 2: story and I thought, oh, that's lovely. He got to

1925
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 2: see his dad for an hour. You looked at it

1926
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 2: and went his dad gave him less than an hour.

1927
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 12: What's going after nineteen months? After nineteen months, forty five

1928
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 12: minutes and a cup of tea after nineteen months. Look,

1929
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 12: you can see Charles's thinking, And I think the people

1930
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 12: who'll be really annoyed about this meeting taking place at

1931
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 12: all are the insiders behind the scenes that who Harry's

1932
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:21,839
Speaker 12: mother referred to as the men in gray suits, because

1933
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 12: they will now be worrying that there will be a

1934
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 12: podcast next week or Oprah Winfrey will suddenly pop around

1935
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,720
Speaker 12: with a TV crew of twenty and every word that

1936
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 12: was said inside the palace yesterday evening as Laren's house

1937
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 12: yesterday evening will be made public. But I guess it's

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Speaker 12: the beginning of healing between father and son. But interestingly,

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Speaker 12: absolutely no sign of William this week on Harry's radar.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. I mean this will be the test,

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Speaker 2: won't it, Because Harry has to prove himself, so they

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Speaker 2: will tell him things. They'll have conversations and see whether

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Speaker 2: it comes out or not.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, and look, if you wanted to be really twisted,

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Speaker 12: you could have told them an awful lot of life

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Speaker 12: and waited for it to hit the media. You know,

1947
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Speaker 12: it's it's it's just a fascinating dynamic. But I think

1948
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 12: he is moving in the direction of travel, that he

1949
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Speaker 12: wants to spend more time in the UK. Major donation

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Speaker 12: to knife Crime charity in Nottingham the other day two

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Speaker 12: million dollars. He's talking about being here more often. But

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Speaker 12: where is Meghan in all of this, because I don't

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Speaker 12: think she ever, I don't think she ever wants to

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Speaker 12: look at Europe again unless it's with some a list

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Speaker 12: celebs in Amalfi on the coast in Italy.

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Speaker 2: What are you suggesting, Hinda, I don't know.

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Speaker 12: I just think long term, perhaps young gl vent doll,

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Speaker 12: it's cracked up to be.

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Speaker 2: Are you just asking some questions?

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Speaker 3: Are you in my head?

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Speaker 12: In my head hypothetically?

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Speaker 2: Listen, We've lived a life, haven't we. We know how

1963
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Speaker 2: this thing often goes. Now, talk to me about Peter Mandelsson.

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Speaker 2: What are the chances that he gets the sack?

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Speaker 12: So Starmar's sticking by like the wind next week is big.

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Speaker 12: The timing of this is crucial. So for anyone who

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01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 12: hasn't followed, it's Peter Mandelson is Labor Royalty. He was

1968
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Speaker 12: the architect of New Labor. He helped Tony Blair could

1969
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 12: not have happened without Mandelssohn. So he's been embedded in

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Speaker 12: the UK political establishment for decades. Turns out he was

1971
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Speaker 12: very very good pals with Jeffrey Epstein. Now pictures have

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01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:20,760
Speaker 12: appeared of Mandelssohn lounging in a dressing gown, chatting and

1973
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:23,720
Speaker 12: having breakfast at Epstein on the island, all looking very

1974
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 12: very cozy. Now I should point out that there is

1975
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 12: absolutely no suggestion Mandelson has done anything wrong or was

1976
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 12: involved in criminality, that we know Epstein was and Mandelson

1977
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Speaker 12: is a gay man, so he would have no interest

1978
01:33:36,479 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 12: in what Epstein was doing with girls categorically. But I

1979
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:43,919
Speaker 12: think the question marks being raised are over his judgment,

1980
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 12: you know, being around this guy. Mandelsson has come out

1981
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:49,799
Speaker 12: and said this week that he deeply regrets ever meeting

1982
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:53,679
Speaker 12: Jeffrey Epstein and that there's more to come. He's gone

1983
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:56,720
Speaker 12: on a podcast yesterday and he said, actually embarrassingly, there

1984
01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 12: would be more information to come. So it was clear

1985
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 12: that he was very, very close to Epstein. This is

1986
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 12: causing Starmer a problem and into the mixed next week

1987
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 12: we have Donald Trump coming and Mandleson is the UK's

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Speaker 12: ambassador to America.

1989
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Mandelson is smart and he knows how PR

1990
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:14,160
Speaker 2: works and he knows it's drip trip trip, right, so

1991
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 2: he will be away that if he is being taken down,

1992
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Speaker 2: that there will be a constant leaking of information, right, Yes, So.

1993
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Speaker 12: I think Sunday will be the key day in all

1994
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Speaker 12: of this. The Sunday newspapers, if they've got a lot

1995
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Speaker 12: more and I think with Mandleson and Epstein it will

1996
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:32,639
Speaker 12: be more business or more Who did Epstein want him

1997
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 12: to lean on or introduce him to You know, I

1998
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 12: just think Tony Blair's name might get brought into the mix.

1999
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 12: It's just very embarrassing for everyone that Mandelson but was duped.

2000
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 12: But like he says, this was a very charismatic criminal

2001
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 12: who fooled everyone. But Mandleson is as sharp as attack

2002
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 12: and as sharp as he is today, thirty years ago

2003
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 12: he was even sharper. So I'm a bit surprised.

2004
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:02,679
Speaker 2: Sure enough, Hey, what the award is that? Jeremy Clarkson's got.

2005
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Speaker 12: National Television Awards? So he won Best Factual Program last night,

2006
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 12: and the standard of TV in the UK is very,

2007
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:13,680
Speaker 12: very tough, So Clarkson turned up. Clarkson's Farm won and

2008
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 12: it won big, and all the characters were there with him.

2009
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:19,640
Speaker 12: Caleb Cooper, the young Oxfordshire farmer who's turned into an

2010
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:25,200
Speaker 12: agricultural superstar. He was there, Clarkson's partner Lisa Charlie, cheerful

2011
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 12: Charlie who always breaks the bad news about the realities

2012
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Speaker 12: of farming and finance to Jeremy, and he was very

2013
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:33,360
Speaker 12: very funny. Clarkson. I have to hand it to him.

2014
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Speaker 12: He has done more for farming in the UK and anywhere.

2015
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Speaker 12: I would say, remember because having spent childhood summers on

2016
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 12: my grandparents dairy farm in Ireland, I've seen how hard

2017
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:47,320
Speaker 12: it is to make a living out of the land

2018
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Speaker 12: and Clarkson just shows you that.

2019
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Speaker 2: Yeah too, right, and it always good to talk to

2020
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Speaker 2: you mate. We'll talk to you next week into Brady

2021
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Speaker 2: UK Correspondent. Right, we need to talk about this life

2022
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Speaker 2: on Mars Business next eight away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather tops Allen Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: powered by news Dog ZB.

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Speaker 2: Five away from seven. Okay, so just really quickly want

2026
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Speaker 2: to give your heads up if you're in Auckland on Saturday,

2027
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:14,639
Speaker 2: there will be the Harbor Bridge will be closed because

2028
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 2: the pro Palestinian March is going to come across the

2029
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 2: Harbor Bridge and it's gonna it's gonna start in North

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01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 2: Kit and Northcote and then it's going Isn't it bizarre

2031
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 2: that Auckland's the only place in the whole world that

2032
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 2: miss like deliberately mispronounces a suburb. Everybody else is North

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Speaker 2: Kit because that's how you pronounce it in Auckland, where

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01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:33,160
Speaker 2: I have had to correct my husband from Wellington. I'm like, no,

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Speaker 2: it's not North Kit now it's North Cote, North Cote,

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Speaker 2: so we like to mispronounce it. Anyhow are they going

2037
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:40,640
Speaker 2: to land at Victoria Park? So just be aware of

2038
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Speaker 2: that and try to plan your journey somewhere else. Now, okay,

2039
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Speaker 2: so if you're not on the march by the way, obviously,

2040
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:50,799
Speaker 2: now life on Mars? Right, So I heard this headline

2041
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:54,320
Speaker 2: this morning. They were like found scientists believe that they

2042
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:58,160
Speaker 2: have found the clearest sign yet of ancient life on Mars.

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Speaker 2: I thought, here we go, here we go, here we go.

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01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:05,479
Speaker 2: So I opened it up. What is it? It's leopard marks,

2045
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 2: leopard spots, leopard spots on a rock sampled by the rover.

2046
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Speaker 2: And do you know how they know that the leopard

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01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:16,679
Speaker 2: spots are a sign of life because they can't that nothing.

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01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:20,040
Speaker 2: They've come back after a year of review and they

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Speaker 2: can't find another explanation. Well, look, I'm sorry, but you

2050
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:25,559
Speaker 2: don't just go on. I don't know. Therefore it must

2051
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:27,640
Speaker 2: be life like it cannot be the best case, it

2052
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 2: can't be the thing that you're looking for is the thing,

2053
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 2: because you can't explain it some other way. And also,

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01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:35,519
Speaker 2: can they please stop over hyping? Like every time I

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01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 2: click on one of these things, which is like life

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01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 2: outs there's some alien life out there. It's always something

2057
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:42,920
Speaker 2: really dull and not at all I think to the

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01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:46,480
Speaker 2: normal person a sign of life. So anyway, very disappointed

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Speaker 2: this morning. It's it's been hanging over me all day, Libby.

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Speaker 8: We've been teasing it.

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Speaker 22: So I thought we may as well go out with

2062
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 22: a bit of a mile on because because here is

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Speaker 22: one of.

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Speaker 6: The top five for the Silver Scroll.

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Speaker 2: Or all the other ones, I didn't care about that.

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01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:02,920
Speaker 2: There's five of them who might win the Silver Scroll award.

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01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 2: I looked at them all I was like, don't know,

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01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:05,799
Speaker 2: you don't know, you don't know, you don't know you Malin,

2069
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:07,720
Speaker 2: I know you and I like the song. So here

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Speaker 2: it is, See you tomorrow.

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