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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB. The only place for the big names,

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Speaker 1: the big issues, the big controversies and the big conversations

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Speaker 1: home of Sport News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to good afternoon and welcome into the Sunday

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Speaker 2: edition of Weekend Sport on News Talks hed B. July

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Speaker 2: seven Today, Happy birthday fifteen test or Blacks Loose Forward

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Speaker 2: Ron Cribb. Happy birthday Ms Dony and Sir Murray Helberg

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Speaker 2: also born on this date, July seven, nineteen thirty three.

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Speaker 2: Sir Murray one of our absolute greats on and off

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Speaker 2: the running track, passing away in twenty twenty two. I'm

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Speaker 2: Jason Pine Show producer and A McDonald. We're here till

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Speaker 2: three and coming to you from duneed In this afternoon,

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Speaker 2: the day after the first All Blacks Test of twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four New Zealand sixteen England fifteen Raisers regime off

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Speaker 2: to a winning star ptee. There was some nervous moments

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Speaker 2: and water test match. That is the thing that stood

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Speaker 2: out most for me first and foremost. This was a

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Speaker 2: genuine contest between two rugby heavyweight who just went at

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Speaker 2: each other for large parts of the game, especially in

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Speaker 2: the second half, and were locked in an absolute arm wrestle.

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Speaker 2: Going to dedicate a big part of the show today

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Speaker 2: to reviewing the rugby your views will form the base

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Speaker 2: of it wire, joined shortly by former All Blacks number

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Speaker 2: eight Paul Miller. New Zealand Herald rugby writer Liam Napier

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Speaker 2: with his analysis as well. Will also here some of

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Speaker 2: the postmatch thoughts of Scott Robertson and Damien McKenzie, who

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Speaker 2: was at the center of probably the biggest talking point

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Speaker 2: in last night's game, timed out when taking a shotted

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Speaker 2: goal late in the game, time expired on the shot

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Speaker 2: clock the sixty seconds that you're allowed to take the kick,

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Speaker 2: not that anybody in the ground, including Damien McKenzie himself,

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Speaker 2: could see the timer counting down because it wasn't no time,

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Speaker 2: no timer, no shot clock on the big screen. Surely

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Speaker 2: that has to change your views on that and anything

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Speaker 2: else you want to chat about rugby wise, And they

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Speaker 2: came out of last night happy to open the lines

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Speaker 2: right across the afternoon for that other matters around today

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Speaker 2: though our Road to Paris feature continues, the Paris Olympics

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Speaker 2: rarely are looming large. Now we're joined by Athens gold

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Speaker 2: medalist in the triathlon in two thousand and four, Hamish

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Speaker 2: Carter just after two o'clock. You might remember that race,

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Speaker 2: Bevan Dockerty and Hamish Carter going stride for stride right

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Speaker 2: near the end, Carter eventually winning gold and Bevan Dougherty

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Speaker 2: picking up the silver, and the Melbourne Cup is on

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Speaker 2: a tour of New Zealand. Keeper of the Cup. Joe

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Speaker 2: mcgrah is in studio after two o'clock as well James

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Speaker 2: mcconey and his regular slot of course around one forty five.

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Speaker 2: But this really is your show. I'd love to have

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Speaker 2: Jason at newstalksb dot cot on INCID. Just coming up

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Speaker 2: teen past midday.

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Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails weekend

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Speaker 1: Sport with Jason hin news talks mb Tasse.

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Speaker 2: One of the years in the books that.

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Speaker 3: Runs into two point five. Still their fan like a

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Speaker 3: period backs holding on. Holy God, there's a summer out

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Speaker 3: in the show. But the old Packs both.

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Speaker 4: When that's first test of the year, Penally.

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Speaker 2: Holding on a run sold it properly.

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Speaker 4: Was the man they put the pennery and now the

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Speaker 4: Old Blacks they just to get it into Touts.

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Speaker 2: Everyone needs to take its eighth race.

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Speaker 4: Damian McKenzie TEPS takes it at the Touts and new

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Speaker 4: earright of All Black Rugby begins with an old fashioned

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Speaker 4: test Man Time Wrestle News Even sixteen Infan fifteen, Full

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Speaker 4: Time at full Side Bars Stadium in Dnedum.

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Speaker 5: Black What Buy What?

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Speaker 2: All Black sixteen England fifteen. That was Elliot Smith on

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Speaker 2: the call last night. Alongside him in the commentary box

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Speaker 2: was former All Blacks number eight Paul Miller providing expert analysis.

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Speaker 2: He joins us now having given it the overnight test, Paul,

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Speaker 2: good to chat to you. What did you make in

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Speaker 2: general terms of the All Blacks first outing of the year.

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Speaker 6: Well, some might.

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Speaker 7: Suggest there was a bit of bit of rustiness, especially

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Speaker 7: I think they they proved to be more physically dominant

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Speaker 2: Just on the physicality that England brought, that wouldn't have

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's funny how the sort of rugby is kind

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Speaker 7: You need to get that ascendency of that game line,

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Speaker 7: I had had the bag a while to think, but

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Speaker 2: So late in the game he had the chance to

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Speaker 7: In the commentary box, was Elliott and yourself. Obviously we

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Speaker 7: he was going through his pre kicking routine where he

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Speaker 8: Through with it.

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Speaker 7: But the other aspect we talked about Piney was maybe

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Speaker 2: Absolutely one hundred percent agree with that without question. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I mean Scott Robertson even said afterwards he's going

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Speaker 2: thing doesn't happen again. Just on on Razor. Could you

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Speaker 5: Well habit.

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Speaker 7: You know, he's got that winning habit and the All

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Speaker 7: you know, they performed pretty pretty well most most games.

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Speaker 7: looking at that game intensely, and I would say they

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Speaker 7: like they've always, they're going to breed confidence, and I

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Speaker 7: think he's a coach that will just say have a crack,

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Speaker 7: give it, give it a good go, but at times

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Speaker 7: maybe it was overused at times, particularly around that halfway

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Speaker 7: there were trying about six or seven phases they weren't

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Speaker 7: kicked through. So but you know, it's it's it's that's

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Speaker 7: his style, I think, and it's it's allowing the players

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Speaker 7: his nature is as a coach.

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Speaker 2: Do you think this was an opportunity lost for England

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Speaker 2: Eden Park and and break what is a long standing

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Speaker 2: you know, fortress for all Blacks rugby in terms of

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Speaker 2: their chance to beat the All Blacks.

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Speaker 7: Well, every every chance that let England play All Blacks

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Speaker 7: is always a chance for them to beat.

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Speaker 5: The All Blacks, but they all go away ruin.

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Speaker 7: I think they completely dominated the All Blacks around that,

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Speaker 7: you know, the collision type area, so that they'll be

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Speaker 7: But you're right that Eden Park is a fortress and

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Speaker 7: not many international teams come away with a win from there,

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Speaker 2: No, thank you mate. Paul Miller there, former All Blacks

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Speaker 2: Twelve to twenty three. Bruce, kick us off.

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Speaker 9: Yet a Jason. I made my decision when Razor and

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Speaker 9: I'll just go back to thread Allen. They didn't have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you didn't win any money, did you, Bruce?

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Speaker 2: If just basically given the tab one hundred bucks. I

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Speaker 10: Good morning?

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Speaker 8: How's the game?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm ringing up. I'm sort of a little of

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Speaker 2: Angus Gardner. I think you're talking about yeah.

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Speaker 11: He had to eat go.

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Speaker 10: So in some ways, I think the referees do that.

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Speaker 10: The players know how many Well, it's a good referee

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Speaker 10: they do that. Players know you how you've got forty seconds,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, last night's referee did that. Yeah, last night's referee

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it was an interesting game because I found that well,

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Speaker 2: They would have Craig and there's there's absolutely nothing wrong

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Speaker 2: with saying that you thought England played better. I think

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Speaker 2: I think in Love for large periods they did. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: Marcus Smith, he missed, he missed, He missed two shots,

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Speaker 10: Makes you wonder what's going to happen in a mount

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well wait and see, Craig, good to chat to

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Speaker 2: your mate. Always enjoy getting a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: And you're right about England's defense. It was always going

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Speaker 11: But there's usually an English team doesn't mean that quick.

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Speaker 11: like he said, Patrick twop to always going forward. I

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Speaker 11: think our whole hood Tack played well. I think we didn't.

432
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Speaker 11: There's one scream and they dominated this wrong. I saw

433
00:21:30,307 --> 00:21:35,627
Speaker 11: the Boots Lomas just absolutely a blutorate. They starting front

434
00:21:35,707 --> 00:21:38,347
Speaker 11: row and then two my fussy and Nevil did the same.

435
00:21:39,267 --> 00:21:42,227
Speaker 11: So that's where I had drawing micause it is my

436
00:21:42,307 --> 00:21:46,387
Speaker 11: negatives with Braden Barrett coming on, and I think I

437
00:21:46,507 --> 00:21:48,907
Speaker 11: counted he had them all six times he kicked it five.

438
00:21:49,427 --> 00:21:50,347
Speaker 2: Was that your negative time?

439
00:21:50,387 --> 00:21:50,827
Speaker 11: You didn't?

440
00:21:50,947 --> 00:21:53,027
Speaker 2: I thought Bodon added really I packed when he came on,

441
00:21:53,187 --> 00:21:55,347
Speaker 2: just energy, but he kicked too much for you.

442
00:21:57,067 --> 00:22:01,747
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, a problem with the kicking and it's again

443
00:22:02,187 --> 00:22:05,947
Speaker 11: to kick. I think Peter Fetter played brilliantly in terms

444
00:22:05,987 --> 00:22:08,867
Speaker 11: of run into they could see the space.

445
00:22:12,107 --> 00:22:16,387
Speaker 2: Or I can't remember, yeah, no, no, it was yeah.

446
00:22:16,587 --> 00:22:18,667
Speaker 2: He made that try pair off absolutely.

447
00:22:18,947 --> 00:22:21,987
Speaker 11: Yeah, and I think he really clear. Well. But what

448
00:22:22,147 --> 00:22:25,347
Speaker 11: we need to look at next week is how are

449
00:22:25,347 --> 00:22:27,987
Speaker 11: we going to combat that are we just going to

450
00:22:28,027 --> 00:22:30,627
Speaker 11: go pick and pick and I was going to do

451
00:22:30,747 --> 00:22:33,227
Speaker 11: quo going to do same or more because the English

452
00:22:33,227 --> 00:22:35,627
Speaker 11: are going to come higher this week and it's going

453
00:22:35,667 --> 00:22:39,507
Speaker 11: to be it's pen to suit their condition.

454
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Speaker 2: You're already forecasting rain seven days out to them. I

455
00:22:44,387 --> 00:22:47,147
Speaker 2: love it, mate, Good on you. Good observation. So I think, Look,

456
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Speaker 2: I don't think I'm going will change the way they play.

457
00:22:49,147 --> 00:22:50,747
Speaker 2: I think it worked for them last night. They put

458
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Speaker 2: the All Blacks into positions on the field that they

459
00:22:53,667 --> 00:22:56,387
Speaker 2: weren't comfortable. And you think of Maro a Toji's try.

460
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Speaker 2: Uh that was the result of a deep kick that

461
00:23:01,947 --> 00:23:03,907
Speaker 2: was fielded by I think it might have been severe

462
00:23:03,987 --> 00:23:07,307
Speaker 2: either resource Parafetter pushed into touch England line out. They

463
00:23:07,387 --> 00:23:10,667
Speaker 2: drove towards the lines scored. It's not rocket science, but

464
00:23:10,707 --> 00:23:13,707
Speaker 2: it's pretty effective if you can get it right. Chris asks,

465
00:23:13,747 --> 00:23:17,427
Speaker 2: a bit pedantic, But it's the shot clock, so it's

466
00:23:17,427 --> 00:23:19,347
Speaker 2: just drifted down it. But Pedantica says Chris, is the

467
00:23:19,347 --> 00:23:22,667
Speaker 2: shot clock? Is it as they run to kick the

468
00:23:22,747 --> 00:23:26,147
Speaker 2: ball or is it when you kick the ball. Chris,

469
00:23:26,227 --> 00:23:28,387
Speaker 2: I'm almost positive it's when you make contact with the ball,

470
00:23:28,427 --> 00:23:32,667
Speaker 2: because when it reached sixty seconds last night, I think

471
00:23:32,707 --> 00:23:37,107
Speaker 2: Damien McKenzie had just about started his run and when

472
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Speaker 2: the referee said nar times up. So it's yeah, it's

473
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Speaker 2: from just for clarity, the moment that you indicate or

474
00:23:44,947 --> 00:23:46,867
Speaker 2: you tell the ref we're taking a shot. Ref points

475
00:23:46,867 --> 00:23:49,347
Speaker 2: at the posts. That's when he starts his watch. He

476
00:23:49,427 --> 00:23:52,827
Speaker 2: points at the posts sixty seconds from then takes ages

477
00:23:52,867 --> 00:23:55,507
Speaker 2: to get the tea out there. That's an issue. And

478
00:23:55,707 --> 00:24:00,587
Speaker 2: we know Damien McKenzie's got a pre kick ritual. We've

479
00:24:00,627 --> 00:24:03,227
Speaker 2: all seen it. He looks down at the ball, looks

480
00:24:03,307 --> 00:24:06,027
Speaker 2: up at the posts, looks down at the ball, looks

481
00:24:06,107 --> 00:24:07,987
Speaker 2: up at the post again with that little smile of

482
00:24:08,067 --> 00:24:13,307
Speaker 2: his looks down again, starts as run kicks and so,

483
00:24:13,587 --> 00:24:15,707
Speaker 2: like I said to you, he didn't have the ball

484
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Speaker 2: on the tee by my timing watching it back this morning,

485
00:24:18,907 --> 00:24:21,707
Speaker 2: he didn't have the ball set on the tee until

486
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Speaker 2: thirty nine seconds. That does not give him a lot

487
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Speaker 2: of time to go through that entire pre kick ritual,

488
00:24:27,667 --> 00:24:29,747
Speaker 2: does it. He owned it. We're going to play you

489
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Speaker 2: some audio from Damien McKenzie when he was asked about

490
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Speaker 2: it afterwards. He owned it. He didn't try and make

491
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Speaker 2: excuses or say, oh, well I should I should be

492
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Speaker 2: able to see the time on the screen. When it

493
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Speaker 2: was suggested to him, said yeah, they'd be a good idea.

494
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Speaker 2: I think it's a fan thing though, we need to

495
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Speaker 2: see that that time on the screen. How are you, Shane? Oh,

496
00:24:48,627 --> 00:24:51,707
Speaker 2: good afternoon, sir, good afternoon. What's on your mind?

497
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Speaker 13: Oh?

498
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Speaker 14: I'm just curious. I just reading the Herald this morning,

499
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Speaker 14: you know, doing the all Black ratings and that of players,

500
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Speaker 14: and I'm a bit dumbfounded. How bro, Damian McKenzie gets

501
00:25:02,627 --> 00:25:07,227
Speaker 14: a four out of ten and we've got a number

502
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Speaker 14: one hooker who we're we're on the English twenty two

503
00:25:10,267 --> 00:25:12,587
Speaker 14: and we've got an attacking line out and he doesn't

504
00:25:12,587 --> 00:25:15,067
Speaker 14: throw the ball and straight we lose the ball. I'm like,

505
00:25:15,827 --> 00:25:18,587
Speaker 14: and he gets a better rating. And I thought, Damien McKenzie, yes,

506
00:25:18,667 --> 00:25:21,987
Speaker 14: he missed the timeout on the kick, but I thought,

507
00:25:22,067 --> 00:25:25,507
Speaker 14: you know, he helped basically the first try to Reese.

508
00:25:26,267 --> 00:25:30,067
Speaker 14: I thought he played, you know, definitely a six out

509
00:25:30,107 --> 00:25:31,747
Speaker 14: of ten versus a four out of ten. I'm just

510
00:25:31,787 --> 00:25:35,067
Speaker 14: wondering who does these ratings of you know, we looking

511
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Speaker 14: at different games or am I a bit biased?

512
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Speaker 15: I don't know.

513
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Speaker 14: What's what's your thought of that.

514
00:25:39,627 --> 00:25:41,507
Speaker 2: No, I don't think you're I don't think you're biased

515
00:25:41,507 --> 00:25:41,787
Speaker 2: at all.

516
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Speaker 11: No, I don't.

517
00:25:43,427 --> 00:25:47,027
Speaker 2: I don't think that at all. Shane. The ratings, I

518
00:25:47,067 --> 00:25:49,387
Speaker 2: think you take with a grain of salt, because one

519
00:25:49,467 --> 00:25:51,627
Speaker 2: man's one man's Yeah, one man's five out of ten

520
00:25:51,747 --> 00:25:53,707
Speaker 2: is another man's seven out of ten. I think four's

521
00:25:53,747 --> 00:25:56,027
Speaker 2: low for Damien McKenzie. If I'm honest, I think that's

522
00:25:56,187 --> 00:25:56,987
Speaker 2: pretty low for him.

523
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I just can't believe we You know, as soon

524
00:25:59,547 --> 00:26:02,547
Speaker 14: as we replaced our hooker, we were winning the lineout

525
00:26:02,587 --> 00:26:05,387
Speaker 14: ball again. He missed I think three three shots at

526
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Speaker 14: lineen and and and in the second half, we're in

527
00:26:07,787 --> 00:26:09,547
Speaker 14: the twenty two. We had a good kick, we had

528
00:26:09,587 --> 00:26:11,307
Speaker 14: the line out, we have a penalty, we're in there

529
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Speaker 14: twenty two and you know, Cody Taylor, you know, I've

530
00:26:15,547 --> 00:26:17,547
Speaker 14: seen it in the past. The pressure comes on and

531
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Speaker 14: I'm not trying to pick on him, but it's like

532
00:26:19,787 --> 00:26:22,147
Speaker 14: it's happened before. And we've lost the line out on

533
00:26:22,267 --> 00:26:24,867
Speaker 14: a good attacking on the good attacking lineout, and we

534
00:26:24,987 --> 00:26:26,947
Speaker 14: lost the ball. So we lost a bit of momentum

535
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Speaker 14: and I just I just don't I don't understand it.

536
00:26:29,467 --> 00:26:32,067
Speaker 14: It's like, you know, we've got all the assistant you

537
00:26:32,147 --> 00:26:34,227
Speaker 14: know who. We've got Corey Flynn who's helping him with

538
00:26:34,227 --> 00:26:36,027
Speaker 14: the lineup. So I'm like, well, what's he helping with

539
00:26:36,107 --> 00:26:37,947
Speaker 14: because it doesn't seem to be improving in my eyes.

540
00:26:38,307 --> 00:26:40,547
Speaker 2: Yeah, Shane, the lineout wasn't good last night for the

541
00:26:40,627 --> 00:26:42,267
Speaker 2: most part. If you hover above it and say, okay,

542
00:26:42,267 --> 00:26:45,347
Speaker 2: how were the lineouts not good? You're right? Didn't hit

543
00:26:45,387 --> 00:26:47,507
Speaker 2: the mark a few times? Yes, for one more. He

544
00:26:48,067 --> 00:26:51,387
Speaker 2: he's a terrifically destructive ball runner, but he knows himself.

545
00:26:51,427 --> 00:26:53,627
Speaker 2: He's got to work on his core role. Throw the ball.

546
00:26:53,667 --> 00:26:55,547
Speaker 2: He got called for Bulkin, didn't he When you go

547
00:26:55,627 --> 00:26:56,907
Speaker 2: to throw it and you don't, and then you do,

548
00:26:57,267 --> 00:27:00,747
Speaker 2: he got called for that. Our text for here, get

549
00:27:00,787 --> 00:27:03,427
Speaker 2: it right. The sixty seconds starts from when the ref

550
00:27:03,467 --> 00:27:07,027
Speaker 2: signals a penalty that is incorrect. That is incorrect. I

551
00:27:07,147 --> 00:27:08,867
Speaker 2: have got it right because I've checked that three or

552
00:27:08,907 --> 00:27:13,387
Speaker 2: four times. The sixty seconds starts when the referee points

553
00:27:13,387 --> 00:27:16,347
Speaker 2: at the posts. And if you don't believe me, go

554
00:27:16,507 --> 00:27:20,067
Speaker 2: back and watch a replay of last night and you

555
00:27:20,427 --> 00:27:22,747
Speaker 2: watch the time on the screen or run a stop.

556
00:27:22,827 --> 00:27:25,987
Speaker 2: What's yourself from the moment the referee points at the

557
00:27:26,067 --> 00:27:29,267
Speaker 2: posts until he blows the whistle to say you're out

558
00:27:29,307 --> 00:27:32,547
Speaker 2: of time. That is sixty seconds. It would be very

559
00:27:32,707 --> 00:27:36,427
Speaker 2: unfair if the sixty seconds started when the referee blew

560
00:27:36,507 --> 00:27:39,427
Speaker 2: the penalty, because there's the decision making around whether you

561
00:27:39,547 --> 00:27:41,507
Speaker 2: take the kick or not that has to come into

562
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Speaker 2: the equation too, So for clarity and for accuracy, I

563
00:27:45,987 --> 00:27:49,187
Speaker 2: can confirm that the sixty second starts from when the

564
00:27:49,307 --> 00:27:52,827
Speaker 2: referee points at the posts having got the indication from

565
00:27:52,867 --> 00:27:54,547
Speaker 2: the attacking team that they're going to have a shot

566
00:27:54,587 --> 00:27:57,027
Speaker 2: at goal. Appreciate your text, though, and good to be

567
00:27:57,067 --> 00:27:58,907
Speaker 2: able to clear it up. Twenty five to one Back

568
00:27:58,947 --> 00:28:01,427
Speaker 2: with more after this on New Stalks hed B the

569
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Speaker 2: Voice of.

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Speaker 1: Sport on your Home of Sport Weekend Sport with Jason

571
00:28:06,107 --> 00:28:10,667
Speaker 1: time Gg Gunnals, New Zealand's most trusted oh Builder News Talks.

572
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Speaker 2: It'd be point it should be forty five seconds from

573
00:28:13,307 --> 00:28:16,107
Speaker 2: when the tea arrives. Yeah, I think the tea arriving

574
00:28:16,267 --> 00:28:19,107
Speaker 2: is probably a good point to start the shot clock

575
00:28:20,067 --> 00:28:24,107
Speaker 2: because it's so inconsistent how quickly the tea gets out there.

576
00:28:25,027 --> 00:28:27,227
Speaker 2: So yeah, I agree with that. Actually, that that would

577
00:28:27,227 --> 00:28:29,427
Speaker 2: be a good change. When the tea arrives, that's when

578
00:28:29,467 --> 00:28:31,427
Speaker 2: it starts. And a lot of people are pointing out

579
00:28:32,027 --> 00:28:34,627
Speaker 2: about the couple of minutes before halftime when the All

580
00:28:34,667 --> 00:28:36,987
Speaker 2: Blacks were in possession of the ball, led ten to seven,

581
00:28:37,347 --> 00:28:39,627
Speaker 2: and then played and played when they could have kicked

582
00:28:39,627 --> 00:28:41,027
Speaker 2: it out and gone and with a ten to seven lead,

583
00:28:41,267 --> 00:28:43,067
Speaker 2: as it happened, they played, they gave away a penalty,

584
00:28:43,107 --> 00:28:45,707
Speaker 2: England kicked it whenning at ten. All A lot of

585
00:28:45,707 --> 00:28:47,627
Speaker 2: people have picked up on that. I guess it's risk

586
00:28:47,747 --> 00:28:50,507
Speaker 2: v reward, isn't it. If Theil Blacks had sprinted down

587
00:28:50,507 --> 00:28:52,547
Speaker 2: the other end and scored a converted tribe, we'ld be

588
00:28:52,587 --> 00:28:55,587
Speaker 2: talking about seventeen to seven. But yeah, could a should

589
00:28:55,587 --> 00:28:57,707
Speaker 2: have water? As I say, let's get back to the lines, Chris,

590
00:28:58,187 --> 00:29:02,387
Speaker 2: any changes of selection that you would make for next week?

591
00:29:03,667 --> 00:29:03,867
Speaker 8: Yeah?

592
00:29:03,907 --> 00:29:04,467
Speaker 11: Absolutely.

593
00:29:04,707 --> 00:29:09,387
Speaker 16: I would be putting Barrett at ten, McKenzie on the

594
00:29:09,507 --> 00:29:12,787
Speaker 16: bench cover the ten and fifteen role, and I'll be

595
00:29:12,987 --> 00:29:18,387
Speaker 16: starting with Anton Brown at center and having Rico Ione

596
00:29:18,867 --> 00:29:26,227
Speaker 16: as a wing slash center replacement. I mean, nobody played

597
00:29:26,267 --> 00:29:30,147
Speaker 16: a really bad game, but I just feel that Anton

598
00:29:30,507 --> 00:29:35,667
Speaker 16: Brown a little bit more of a proper center. That

599
00:29:35,787 --> 00:29:40,267
Speaker 16: makes any sense to you, it does, so yeah, i'd

600
00:29:40,347 --> 00:29:44,387
Speaker 16: be I'd be going that particular way. It was good

601
00:29:44,427 --> 00:29:47,427
Speaker 16: to see that we won. I was a bit little

602
00:29:47,547 --> 00:29:49,667
Speaker 16: fifty to fifty on this game. I had an English

603
00:29:49,667 --> 00:29:52,947
Speaker 16: friend around watching this with me. He was quite He

604
00:29:53,147 --> 00:29:56,347
Speaker 16: was quietly confident because he knows of the changing of

605
00:29:56,427 --> 00:29:58,907
Speaker 16: the coaching staff and all of the all blacks that

606
00:29:59,107 --> 00:30:02,667
Speaker 16: had left with us a lot of caps and in

607
00:30:02,867 --> 00:30:06,267
Speaker 16: key positions as well. So yeah, by the end of

608
00:30:06,427 --> 00:30:10,027
Speaker 16: the games he was in despair because he was coming

609
00:30:10,027 --> 00:30:16,427
Speaker 16: around in my place to watch an English Well, thank you.

610
00:30:17,147 --> 00:30:19,547
Speaker 16: He now owed me a pint at the pub.

611
00:30:19,947 --> 00:30:21,067
Speaker 3: I love it.

612
00:30:21,827 --> 00:30:24,307
Speaker 2: So just on your selection, then you you were you'd

613
00:30:24,387 --> 00:30:27,147
Speaker 2: leave Stephen Stephen Peifetta at fallback. Then you were you

614
00:30:27,187 --> 00:30:28,547
Speaker 2: were happy of the way he played.

615
00:30:29,507 --> 00:30:32,147
Speaker 16: Absolutely, And I was a little bit doubtful on that

616
00:30:32,267 --> 00:30:36,187
Speaker 16: particular step selection because I was like, you know, maybe

617
00:30:37,347 --> 00:30:42,707
Speaker 16: Jill he earns his keep, like he shone in certain moments.

618
00:30:43,347 --> 00:30:45,187
Speaker 16: He did what he had to do, and then the

619
00:30:45,267 --> 00:30:50,147
Speaker 16: fallback has to do. The English they'd never steam rolled

620
00:30:50,187 --> 00:30:53,467
Speaker 16: him over for a try, or he wasn't side stepped

621
00:30:53,507 --> 00:30:56,227
Speaker 16: by anyone. He was there, So I'd give him. I'd

622
00:30:56,267 --> 00:31:01,107
Speaker 16: give him a starting opportunity again. He's I think he's

623
00:31:01,587 --> 00:31:04,387
Speaker 16: a well rounded fullback, so well done him.

624
00:31:04,507 --> 00:31:07,587
Speaker 2: He does escape, yep, so I agree. I agree. I'd

625
00:31:07,627 --> 00:31:09,307
Speaker 2: give him the fifteen jersey again next week. I thought

626
00:31:09,307 --> 00:31:12,187
Speaker 2: he was very good set up the try. Ferrati did

627
00:31:12,227 --> 00:31:14,467
Speaker 2: all that was asked of him, good under the high ball. Yeah,

628
00:31:14,627 --> 00:31:18,267
Speaker 2: I think he deserves to keep the fifteen jersey. A

629
00:31:18,307 --> 00:31:20,787
Speaker 2: few people have pointed out to me that if you

630
00:31:21,147 --> 00:31:23,347
Speaker 2: do it on when the tea arrives, that's when the

631
00:31:23,387 --> 00:31:27,227
Speaker 2: delayed tactical tactics could happen, and it's a very good point. Yeah,

632
00:31:27,707 --> 00:31:30,387
Speaker 2: you know, you might just conveniently lose the tee for

633
00:31:30,467 --> 00:31:31,907
Speaker 2: a while to give you forward to the chance to

634
00:31:32,307 --> 00:31:35,867
Speaker 2: have a bit of a breather, regardless of when the

635
00:31:35,947 --> 00:31:38,427
Speaker 2: time starts and stops and all that sort of thing.

636
00:31:39,187 --> 00:31:44,547
Speaker 2: It simply must be displayed in ground for the players, yes,

637
00:31:44,587 --> 00:31:48,307
Speaker 2: but for us too, you know, it just adds something

638
00:31:48,347 --> 00:31:49,747
Speaker 2: a little extra, but we need to be in the

639
00:31:49,867 --> 00:31:53,547
Speaker 2: know as well. But certainly for the players, and yes

640
00:31:53,627 --> 00:31:56,267
Speaker 2: we you know that. We've mentioned a couple of times

641
00:31:56,347 --> 00:32:00,387
Speaker 2: the referee did say ten seconds and a previous caller

642
00:32:00,427 --> 00:32:02,707
Speaker 2: mentioned that Angus Gardner sort of does it in increments

643
00:32:02,747 --> 00:32:05,267
Speaker 2: of ten, he said, say thirty twenty ten, So you

644
00:32:05,387 --> 00:32:08,427
Speaker 2: know it's not ready. The referee's responsibility to do that.

645
00:32:08,507 --> 00:32:12,347
Speaker 2: It's the kicker's responsibility to know how long his routine

646
00:32:12,467 --> 00:32:20,747
Speaker 2: takes and to approach it accordingly. But there needs to

647
00:32:20,827 --> 00:32:23,747
Speaker 2: be a visual indicator in the ground. It's not hard, right,

648
00:32:23,987 --> 00:32:26,107
Speaker 2: Just chuck a big sixty up on the score board

649
00:32:26,147 --> 00:32:27,787
Speaker 2: and count it down. How are you, Mark?

650
00:32:29,587 --> 00:32:30,427
Speaker 11: Yeah, good, Bony.

651
00:32:30,707 --> 00:32:36,627
Speaker 17: It's amazing what one point makes to the country's feelings,

652
00:32:36,867 --> 00:32:39,467
Speaker 17: feelings about the way the world is. Isn't it really well?

653
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Speaker 2: I guess it is a results game in many ways, Mark,

654
00:32:42,747 --> 00:32:44,827
Speaker 2: Isn't it sport as a results business, isn't it?

655
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Speaker 9: Yeah?

656
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Speaker 17: I guess the Warriors were on the other end of that.

657
00:32:49,267 --> 00:32:51,747
Speaker 17: Imagine the NBA if you didn't have a twenty four

658
00:32:51,787 --> 00:32:53,787
Speaker 17: seconds shot clock of the referee was up to.

659
00:32:53,787 --> 00:32:55,187
Speaker 18: The referee exactly.

660
00:32:55,667 --> 00:32:57,827
Speaker 2: It's like social basketball. I was saying that Andy, Andy

661
00:32:57,867 --> 00:33:00,547
Speaker 2: plays social basketball where there's no shot clock and the

662
00:33:00,627 --> 00:33:05,147
Speaker 2: referee himself or herself just starts counting down from ten. Yeah,

663
00:33:05,147 --> 00:33:07,147
Speaker 2: but imagine the NBA without a shot clog.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, it's just ridiculous. Maybe maybe d Mech will have

665
00:33:11,907 --> 00:33:15,107
Speaker 17: to stop that smile. Maybe that's what's over the limit.

666
00:33:15,427 --> 00:33:17,747
Speaker 2: I've heard that suggested Mark, you know, and I think

667
00:33:17,787 --> 00:33:19,947
Speaker 2: you know, people said, oh, he just needs to stop smiling.

668
00:33:20,587 --> 00:33:22,427
Speaker 2: No one worries about it. When he kicks his goals.

669
00:33:22,787 --> 00:33:26,827
Speaker 2: It's part of his routine. It's part of his routine. Yep.

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Speaker 17: I think it's great entertainment. It's become it's become a

671
00:33:29,827 --> 00:33:31,587
Speaker 17: big thing. At a game, people are looking at the

672
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Speaker 17: biggest screen waiting for the big smile. I think it

673
00:33:34,027 --> 00:33:36,427
Speaker 17: would be a shame if he cut that out. I

674
00:33:36,547 --> 00:33:39,067
Speaker 17: think even you know, I'm a bow and Barrack fan.

675
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Speaker 17: I thought the match had a great game. I thought

676
00:33:41,187 --> 00:33:44,667
Speaker 17: his decision making was fantastic under extreme pressure at times.

677
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Speaker 17: And I think you definitely get the nod again, I think,

678
00:33:48,107 --> 00:33:49,947
Speaker 17: and I don't think you can look at I think

679
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Speaker 17: you have to give Inland a lot of credit because

680
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Speaker 17: I don't think the old Blacks, any of them, really

681
00:33:55,507 --> 00:33:58,267
Speaker 17: had a bad game. I thought Sammy Reese was probably

682
00:33:59,267 --> 00:34:01,867
Speaker 17: you know, took his Super rugby former. I think he

683
00:34:01,947 --> 00:34:03,907
Speaker 17: was probably the best winger in Super rugby and I

684
00:34:03,987 --> 00:34:08,427
Speaker 17: think he was outstanding. Think Matt Talia just needs to

685
00:34:08,467 --> 00:34:11,067
Speaker 17: get a break case just so literacy. Now you can

686
00:34:11,507 --> 00:34:13,987
Speaker 17: bass so many tackles. He must have broken more tackles

687
00:34:13,987 --> 00:34:16,067
Speaker 17: than anyone in that game. But I just don't think

688
00:34:16,067 --> 00:34:19,267
Speaker 17: anyone had a bad game and the black and mental

689
00:34:19,267 --> 00:34:20,027
Speaker 17: black side.

690
00:34:19,827 --> 00:34:22,227
Speaker 2: Do you No, I don't, And I don't think anybody

691
00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:23,987
Speaker 2: in an England should had a bad game either, Mark.

692
00:34:24,867 --> 00:34:26,667
Speaker 2: I think there was just two teams who just went

693
00:34:26,747 --> 00:34:29,307
Speaker 2: at one another proper test match. Yeah, I don't think

694
00:34:29,307 --> 00:34:32,547
Speaker 2: anybody will lose. Well, I mean, I'm sure that they'll

695
00:34:32,587 --> 00:34:35,987
Speaker 2: make changes of some description, but I don't think on

696
00:34:36,107 --> 00:34:39,627
Speaker 2: their performance last night, anybody necessarily played their way out

697
00:34:39,667 --> 00:34:41,987
Speaker 2: of their jersey. You might have a different view. I'm

698
00:34:42,027 --> 00:34:43,347
Speaker 2: sure you do have a different view, and you can

699
00:34:43,427 --> 00:34:44,947
Speaker 2: voice it on the phone if you like. Oh eight

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty sixteen Away from One Back

701
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Speaker 2: with more of your calls after this on Weekend Sport,

702
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Speaker 2: the Big.

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Speaker 1: Issues on and after Fields Call Oh eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 2: Baby thirteen to one. James asks any update on TJ.

707
00:35:05,267 --> 00:35:08,627
Speaker 2: Pennald's injury, not yet, James No. Scott Robertson did a

708
00:35:08,747 --> 00:35:10,707
Speaker 2: media stand up about an hour ago, and there is

709
00:35:10,787 --> 00:35:13,787
Speaker 2: no update at the moment on the seriousness of t J.

710
00:35:13,947 --> 00:35:18,147
Speaker 2: Pettinad's injury. If the crowd could see the countdown asks

711
00:35:18,187 --> 00:35:20,267
Speaker 2: this test, wouldn't they just chant the last ten seconds?

712
00:35:20,267 --> 00:35:23,147
Speaker 2: I think they probably would. It'll add to it, wouldn't it.

713
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Speaker 11: Hello?

714
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Speaker 2: Angus?

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00:35:25,387 --> 00:35:28,587
Speaker 16: Hey? Yeah, young, good quick one?

716
00:35:28,907 --> 00:35:29,107
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:35:29,187 --> 00:35:30,027
Speaker 18: Did we when?

718
00:35:30,187 --> 00:35:30,787
Speaker 8: Or did they lose?

719
00:35:31,987 --> 00:35:35,347
Speaker 2: Nice one? I think we won. What do you think?

720
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Speaker 19: Yeah, I think I think it's one. But yeah, I

721
00:35:40,027 --> 00:35:40,707
Speaker 19: agree it was.

722
00:35:40,907 --> 00:35:41,067
Speaker 20: It was.

723
00:35:41,267 --> 00:35:44,027
Speaker 19: It was a good game. So no, there's about it

724
00:35:44,107 --> 00:35:45,147
Speaker 19: really well not the sports.

725
00:35:45,707 --> 00:35:49,307
Speaker 2: Yeah, terrific. They did, angus. To be fair, they left

726
00:35:49,307 --> 00:35:52,587
Speaker 2: some points out there in one penalty in particular from

727
00:35:52,587 --> 00:35:56,227
Speaker 2: Marcus Smith, which was pretty handy that you know. And

728
00:35:56,787 --> 00:35:58,427
Speaker 2: when it's a one point game, if you leave eight

729
00:35:58,467 --> 00:36:01,827
Speaker 2: points out there with miss kicks, then I'm sure you're

730
00:36:01,827 --> 00:36:03,947
Speaker 2: waken up this morning thinking, man, we let that one

731
00:36:04,027 --> 00:36:04,427
Speaker 2: get away.

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00:36:05,387 --> 00:36:06,347
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, I see the question.

733
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Speaker 19: And if it was the other way around, would we

734
00:36:08,067 --> 00:36:09,067
Speaker 19: beat him the same conversation?

735
00:36:10,587 --> 00:36:13,427
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if we if we'd lost sixteen fifteen,

736
00:36:13,467 --> 00:36:15,427
Speaker 2: I think we'd probably be saying the all Blacks lostter

737
00:36:15,467 --> 00:36:17,147
Speaker 2: but the anywhere all Blacks fans, aren't we?

738
00:36:18,027 --> 00:36:18,467
Speaker 19: Absolutely?

739
00:36:18,507 --> 00:36:19,067
Speaker 15: You know that's the one.

740
00:36:19,067 --> 00:36:19,547
Speaker 19: Ain't you business?

741
00:36:19,547 --> 00:36:21,427
Speaker 2: Hold you to No, you're all good, Ancus, good to Chatim,

742
00:36:21,547 --> 00:36:25,307
Speaker 2: thanks for calling in. Hello, Peter, how are you doing there?

743
00:36:25,587 --> 00:36:25,747
Speaker 10: Good?

744
00:36:25,827 --> 00:36:26,067
Speaker 2: Thank you?

745
00:36:26,867 --> 00:36:27,107
Speaker 8: Chrisk.

746
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Speaker 13: If we'd lost by one point, had been filthy over

747
00:36:29,907 --> 00:36:31,187
Speaker 13: he's missing account now, wouldn't he?

748
00:36:31,387 --> 00:36:34,187
Speaker 2: He absolutely would, And he said that last night as well, Peter.

749
00:36:34,267 --> 00:36:36,067
Speaker 2: He said, Look, it could have been a heck of

750
00:36:36,107 --> 00:36:39,187
Speaker 2: a lot worse. The fact was it didn't impact the result,

751
00:36:39,627 --> 00:36:42,507
Speaker 2: but if it had, then he would have been feeling

752
00:36:42,507 --> 00:36:45,027
Speaker 2: a lot worse than he was from simply having been

753
00:36:45,107 --> 00:36:45,547
Speaker 2: timed out.

754
00:36:46,507 --> 00:36:48,947
Speaker 13: Just just thinking back to the game, though, I'd say

755
00:36:48,987 --> 00:36:52,467
Speaker 13: there are a few all Blacks incumbents. It may have

756
00:36:52,547 --> 00:36:54,547
Speaker 13: loosted the copy book a little bit. Yeah, I mean,

757
00:36:54,627 --> 00:36:58,267
Speaker 13: I'm not saying that anyway. He particularly bad game, but

758
00:36:58,387 --> 00:37:00,587
Speaker 13: I don't think all of the players played up to

759
00:37:00,627 --> 00:37:02,747
Speaker 13: the required standard, if you know what I mean.

760
00:37:03,107 --> 00:37:06,067
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I understand if you can you can single

761
00:37:06,107 --> 00:37:07,067
Speaker 2: people allowed if you'd like.

762
00:37:07,947 --> 00:37:12,667
Speaker 13: Yeah, I still think Cody Taylor, you know the difference

763
00:37:12,907 --> 00:37:15,867
Speaker 13: in how the line now performed when he came on

764
00:37:15,947 --> 00:37:17,387
Speaker 13: there a couple of times when he got the ball

765
00:37:17,507 --> 00:37:19,907
Speaker 13: and seemed at a loss of what to actually do

766
00:37:20,027 --> 00:37:22,467
Speaker 13: now that he'd mistakenly found this thing in his hands,

767
00:37:22,467 --> 00:37:26,027
Speaker 13: whereas you know, has a pretty both approach to that situation.

768
00:37:26,467 --> 00:37:29,587
Speaker 11: Yes, I think d Mach.

769
00:37:31,227 --> 00:37:31,827
Speaker 8: When he was.

770
00:37:31,947 --> 00:37:34,707
Speaker 13: Receiving those high kicks show what he should be playing

771
00:37:34,747 --> 00:37:37,867
Speaker 13: at fifteen. If I was putting the team next week,

772
00:37:37,947 --> 00:37:39,947
Speaker 13: I'd be starting voting at ten. I'd been putting d

773
00:37:40,067 --> 00:37:42,347
Speaker 13: Mac at fifteen and putting pair of fetter on the

774
00:37:42,387 --> 00:37:43,507
Speaker 13: bench because he covers both.

775
00:37:44,427 --> 00:37:46,507
Speaker 2: That's a very good point, Patty, because he was very

776
00:37:46,547 --> 00:37:47,747
Speaker 2: good under the high ball last night.

777
00:37:47,947 --> 00:37:48,107
Speaker 8: Mak.

778
00:37:48,147 --> 00:37:49,187
Speaker 2: He's just feel us, isn't he.

779
00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:52,827
Speaker 13: He's feel us exceptional And to give him a little

780
00:37:52,827 --> 00:37:55,387
Speaker 13: bit more space to run from back, I think he'd

781
00:37:55,467 --> 00:38:00,467
Speaker 13: relish that. He'd absolutely relish that. I think Rico Yuani

782
00:38:01,867 --> 00:38:03,947
Speaker 13: may be lucky to be in the twenty three next week.

783
00:38:06,707 --> 00:38:08,187
Speaker 2: So who would you Who would you play at center?

784
00:38:08,307 --> 00:38:10,507
Speaker 2: Lennet Brown? Or would you give Billy Proctor a debut?

785
00:38:10,827 --> 00:38:14,347
Speaker 13: I need to give Billy Proctery go. Hey, you know

786
00:38:14,427 --> 00:38:16,227
Speaker 13: you could argue he's pretty much the form center of

787
00:38:16,227 --> 00:38:22,307
Speaker 13: the tomp anyway, Anton nut Brown probably, you know, covers

788
00:38:22,347 --> 00:38:26,707
Speaker 13: twelve and thirty in a way that Proctor doesn't. But yeah, no,

789
00:38:27,227 --> 00:38:30,827
Speaker 13: I think Proctor is generally much more of a natural

790
00:38:31,027 --> 00:38:33,067
Speaker 13: center as opposed to a converted winger.

791
00:38:34,707 --> 00:38:37,067
Speaker 2: Interesting. Thanks, Pete, I appreciate. I've got to get one

792
00:38:37,107 --> 00:38:39,147
Speaker 2: more call away before we get to the break, but yeah,

793
00:38:39,227 --> 00:38:43,307
Speaker 2: Scott Robertson will have some thinking to do around his selections.

794
00:38:43,987 --> 00:38:46,507
Speaker 2: Ben you over the streets of yesterday with the Warriors

795
00:38:46,547 --> 00:38:47,147
Speaker 2: and the All Blacks.

796
00:38:48,667 --> 00:38:50,667
Speaker 18: Oh mate, look a hang on a bit of turn

797
00:38:50,707 --> 00:38:54,467
Speaker 18: the radio down because it's it's bringing back flashbacks of

798
00:38:55,907 --> 00:39:01,467
Speaker 18: yesterday's Shenanigans. Holy heck, what a right? Yeah yeah man,

799
00:39:01,707 --> 00:39:04,507
Speaker 18: yeah man, just just yeah.

800
00:39:04,947 --> 00:39:07,187
Speaker 2: This is what we love about the Warriors game. So

801
00:39:07,227 --> 00:39:09,027
Speaker 2: I didn't really get the chance to watch it really

802
00:39:09,107 --> 00:39:10,907
Speaker 2: closely because it was the two hours leading into the

803
00:39:10,947 --> 00:39:12,907
Speaker 2: All Blacks test and I was kind of focusing on that.

804
00:39:13,107 --> 00:39:17,067
Speaker 2: So obviously the Warriors lost in Golden Points. What was

805
00:39:17,147 --> 00:39:19,267
Speaker 2: your assessment? Did they deserve to win?

806
00:39:20,667 --> 00:39:22,867
Speaker 18: The Warriors deserved to win, man, there's no doubt about it.

807
00:39:23,227 --> 00:39:26,027
Speaker 18: And but hey, the Bulldogs just keep hammering back and

808
00:39:27,427 --> 00:39:29,747
Speaker 18: things just didn't go away. There's tries that you know,

809
00:39:29,907 --> 00:39:32,787
Speaker 18: there was you thought, here comes a try and then

810
00:39:32,827 --> 00:39:34,747
Speaker 18: it wasn't a try. It held up and then and

811
00:39:34,787 --> 00:39:37,267
Speaker 18: then we went into overtime, and it was it was

812
00:39:37,347 --> 00:39:39,907
Speaker 18: just back and forth, men. And honestly, the boys knew

813
00:39:40,707 --> 00:39:43,747
Speaker 18: we're going deep. And the boys on both teams knew

814
00:39:43,787 --> 00:39:45,467
Speaker 18: that they had to run the ball back into the

815
00:39:46,827 --> 00:39:50,667
Speaker 18: into the twenties, you know, within drop kick zone range.

816
00:39:50,947 --> 00:39:56,227
Speaker 18: And yeah, it was just that was the boys stood up,

817
00:39:57,067 --> 00:39:59,347
Speaker 18: got the ball back there. But yeah, the kicks just

818
00:39:59,387 --> 00:40:05,347
Speaker 18: went going over pinty and and yeah, the overtime we

819
00:40:05,467 --> 00:40:08,547
Speaker 18: know went on and it just keep going on.

820
00:40:09,347 --> 00:40:11,987
Speaker 2: You still got to you still have you still got

821
00:40:12,187 --> 00:40:13,827
Speaker 2: a chart? I mean I'm looking at the table now

822
00:40:13,947 --> 00:40:17,067
Speaker 2: and for every game that goes past, you started getting

823
00:40:17,107 --> 00:40:20,267
Speaker 2: into sort of this mathematical possibility situation. Got to buy now.

824
00:40:20,347 --> 00:40:23,987
Speaker 2: So that's two points obviously, but what's three points outside

825
00:40:24,067 --> 00:40:25,667
Speaker 2: the top eight as it stands at the moment, which

826
00:40:25,667 --> 00:40:27,867
Speaker 2: doesn't sound like a lot, But you've got to start

827
00:40:27,867 --> 00:40:28,747
Speaker 2: winning some games.

828
00:40:28,587 --> 00:40:31,867
Speaker 18: Right this is otherwise we're going to start to play

829
00:40:31,947 --> 00:40:34,787
Speaker 18: the game we were hoping on other teams still lose.

830
00:40:35,627 --> 00:40:35,747
Speaker 5: Uh.

831
00:40:36,987 --> 00:40:39,867
Speaker 18: You know there was the boys that I reckon would

832
00:40:39,867 --> 00:40:41,707
Speaker 18: have turned the table, they would have stood up in

833
00:40:41,747 --> 00:40:45,147
Speaker 18: those in those in those clutch moments they were they

834
00:40:45,147 --> 00:40:50,707
Speaker 18: were out, they were injured. Yeah, Dylan, Uh who.

835
00:40:52,427 --> 00:40:54,587
Speaker 2: No, no, Tom Who Harris is out on radio?

836
00:40:54,867 --> 00:40:59,587
Speaker 21: No a bit.

837
00:40:59,627 --> 00:41:01,387
Speaker 2: I better go in because I've got to get a breakaway.

838
00:41:01,427 --> 00:41:04,027
Speaker 2: That's why otherwise I won't be working in radio much

839
00:41:04,067 --> 00:41:05,827
Speaker 2: longer for I don't play the ads. Yeah, Taho Harris

840
00:41:05,907 --> 00:41:08,187
Speaker 2: is the other one I think and out in definitely too.

841
00:41:08,267 --> 00:41:10,147
Speaker 2: We'll wait for more information on that. Thanks for your

842
00:41:10,147 --> 00:41:12,227
Speaker 2: cor Ben, appreciate it. Seven to one New Talks does

843
00:41:12,267 --> 00:41:14,747
Speaker 2: that me? Is that my turn to speak?

844
00:41:14,947 --> 00:41:15,187
Speaker 1: It is?

845
00:41:15,787 --> 00:41:18,147
Speaker 2: It is my turn to speak. Thank you, Andy. I

846
00:41:18,267 --> 00:41:21,027
Speaker 2: was just reading the mountain of texts that are flowing

847
00:41:21,067 --> 00:41:23,387
Speaker 2: in here, a lot of them making very good points.

848
00:41:23,467 --> 00:41:25,907
Speaker 2: We'll get to more of them after one o'clock. Also

849
00:41:26,027 --> 00:41:29,947
Speaker 2: joined after one with his analysis by Liam Napier, senior

850
00:41:30,027 --> 00:41:31,667
Speaker 2: rugby writer at The New Zealand Herald.

851
00:41:31,747 --> 00:41:35,387
Speaker 1: Back after the News, it's the only place to discuss

852
00:41:35,547 --> 00:41:39,627
Speaker 1: the biggest sports issues on and after fields. It's all

853
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Speaker 1: on Wi James Ford with Jason Vaine on Your Home

854
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Speaker 1: of Sport.

855
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Speaker 2: News Talk one oh seven. Welcome back in or welcome in,

856
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Speaker 2: as the case may be. We're broadcasting live from duneed

857
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Speaker 2: in the day after the first All Blacks test of

858
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Speaker 2: the year. More to come on that. Liam Napier from

859
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Speaker 2: the New Zealand Herald going to join us shortly. More

860
00:41:57,507 --> 00:42:01,907
Speaker 2: of your calls and correspondence. Niri asks, with regard to

861
00:42:01,987 --> 00:42:04,867
Speaker 2: the sixty second rule for goalkicking, is there any this

862
00:42:05,067 --> 00:42:08,627
Speaker 2: dispensation given when conditions are windy and a player needs

863
00:42:08,667 --> 00:42:10,587
Speaker 2: to be brought in to steady the ball for the kicker?

864
00:42:10,827 --> 00:42:14,187
Speaker 2: A good question, Nri. As I read the rule, No,

865
00:42:14,667 --> 00:42:18,227
Speaker 2: there is no dispensation. Even if the ball falls off

866
00:42:18,267 --> 00:42:22,387
Speaker 2: the tee. The sixty seconds continues, which adds another layer

867
00:42:22,867 --> 00:42:25,547
Speaker 2: of interest, doesn't it on windy days? No problem and

868
00:42:25,587 --> 00:42:27,307
Speaker 2: didn't need and last not with the roof of course,

869
00:42:27,387 --> 00:42:31,867
Speaker 2: But yeah, as I read it, you don't get any

870
00:42:31,947 --> 00:42:38,667
Speaker 2: extra dispensation for that. Damien McKenzie timed out as he

871
00:42:38,787 --> 00:42:41,507
Speaker 2: lined up a eight shot at goal last night to

872
00:42:41,587 --> 00:42:43,587
Speaker 2: give him his due, came out in front of the

873
00:42:43,667 --> 00:42:45,867
Speaker 2: media on it. Here was his postmatch reaction to what

874
00:42:45,947 --> 00:42:46,387
Speaker 2: played out.

875
00:42:47,067 --> 00:42:48,587
Speaker 5: Just miss the time.

876
00:42:49,347 --> 00:42:51,107
Speaker 20: I think we're about sixty seconds from the time the

877
00:42:51,227 --> 00:42:56,147
Speaker 20: pearently is blind to win the goals kick. So he

878
00:42:56,267 --> 00:42:59,107
Speaker 20: did rush me in my last previous kick, said that

879
00:42:59,227 --> 00:43:01,507
Speaker 20: I need to speed up, so kind of felt like

880
00:43:01,587 --> 00:43:03,667
Speaker 20: I didn't take too long in the last kick. And

881
00:43:03,707 --> 00:43:05,787
Speaker 20: then he did say something when I was in the

882
00:43:05,787 --> 00:43:08,187
Speaker 20: back of my sort of went to go forward and

883
00:43:08,907 --> 00:43:09,827
Speaker 20: but then it was too late.

884
00:43:11,147 --> 00:43:12,707
Speaker 5: But I'm not pointing the finger anyone.

885
00:43:12,787 --> 00:43:15,387
Speaker 2: It's it's completely on my shows.

886
00:43:15,387 --> 00:43:17,307
Speaker 20: I've got to sort that out around my process and

887
00:43:17,427 --> 00:43:19,987
Speaker 20: just speeding things up and knowing that once the penalty's blind,

888
00:43:20,027 --> 00:43:24,987
Speaker 20: I've got sixty seconds to kick the cack and I think, yeah,

889
00:43:25,147 --> 00:43:27,027
Speaker 20: there was a lot of relief after the we got

890
00:43:27,067 --> 00:43:31,547
Speaker 20: that final penalty. Would have been disastrous if we'd lost

891
00:43:31,587 --> 00:43:34,427
Speaker 20: from a from AKP three points. So yeah, something I

892
00:43:34,547 --> 00:43:36,787
Speaker 20: have to look at, but completely on my shols and

893
00:43:36,827 --> 00:43:38,427
Speaker 20: you know, and that sort of said in my previous

894
00:43:38,507 --> 00:43:40,387
Speaker 20: kick ten seconds and then I had a couple of

895
00:43:40,507 --> 00:43:42,987
Speaker 20: boys like cat Cap, so I'd got into my cacking process.

896
00:43:43,027 --> 00:43:45,707
Speaker 20: And then the last time, I can't remember exactly what

897
00:43:45,827 --> 00:43:48,827
Speaker 20: was said, but it was a round of speed up

898
00:43:48,987 --> 00:43:51,027
Speaker 20: and then as I sort of happened look up to

899
00:43:51,067 --> 00:43:52,867
Speaker 20: the post and I went to walk into well, it

900
00:43:52,987 --> 00:43:54,187
Speaker 20: was on my way to walk in, and then the

901
00:43:54,907 --> 00:43:58,387
Speaker 20: whistle was blind. So yeah, again, it's it's something I

902
00:43:58,507 --> 00:44:00,027
Speaker 20: have to look at. I don't think I've got a

903
00:44:00,067 --> 00:44:02,787
Speaker 20: slow sort of process. I probably feel like I've taken

904
00:44:02,867 --> 00:44:05,547
Speaker 20: longer before, but it's that's the rules, so I'm gonna

905
00:44:05,547 --> 00:44:07,507
Speaker 20: have to sort it out. I think it would be

906
00:44:07,547 --> 00:44:08,747
Speaker 20: great if there was a sort of a time on

907
00:44:08,827 --> 00:44:10,147
Speaker 20: the screen. You can sort of get a bit of

908
00:44:10,187 --> 00:44:14,667
Speaker 20: an ideas why counting in my head the sixties, especially

909
00:44:14,667 --> 00:44:16,347
Speaker 20: when I'm trying to focus someone cat's out, they're great.

910
00:44:16,387 --> 00:44:20,427
Speaker 20: So yeah, I mean if well, I've played in games

911
00:44:20,427 --> 00:44:22,867
Speaker 20: where there is a shot flop, so if there was

912
00:44:22,907 --> 00:44:25,507
Speaker 20: one on the screen, there'd be awesome. Thank Heaven.

913
00:44:25,707 --> 00:44:28,547
Speaker 2: There you go. There's Damien McKenzie after the game last night.

914
00:44:29,147 --> 00:44:31,187
Speaker 2: As I say, fronted up. He didn't have to come

915
00:44:31,227 --> 00:44:33,387
Speaker 2: out and talk to the media. He did, among them

916
00:44:33,427 --> 00:44:36,627
Speaker 2: New Zealand Herald Rugby writer Liam Napier. I thought he

917
00:44:36,707 --> 00:44:40,107
Speaker 2: owned that quite well, Liam, don't you He did.

918
00:44:40,187 --> 00:44:42,307
Speaker 19: Yeah, it was very nice to hear him be so

919
00:44:42,467 --> 00:44:45,427
Speaker 19: honest and open about it. Wasn't that there were no complaints.

920
00:44:45,467 --> 00:44:47,427
Speaker 19: He wasn't trying to point the finger at anyone else,

921
00:44:48,267 --> 00:44:51,787
Speaker 19: and he did say that the referee George and referee

922
00:44:51,867 --> 00:44:54,827
Speaker 19: spoke to him in his previous kick as well, so

923
00:44:55,347 --> 00:44:59,027
Speaker 19: as I've seen from a few Australians saying, now you

924
00:44:59,147 --> 00:45:01,907
Speaker 19: know how we feel after that Classic Leaders Though finish

925
00:45:02,547 --> 00:45:04,667
Speaker 19: in Melbourne a couple of years ago.

926
00:45:05,707 --> 00:45:07,827
Speaker 2: Do you think they'll do You think they'll put a

927
00:45:07,947 --> 00:45:11,187
Speaker 2: timer on the screen. Surely that would be easy to do.

928
00:45:11,707 --> 00:45:13,147
Speaker 2: Do you think they'll do that? For eating part?

929
00:45:14,187 --> 00:45:17,307
Speaker 19: It does seem like a common sense decision, doesn't it.

930
00:45:17,787 --> 00:45:20,107
Speaker 19: Whether Mark Robinson gets on the phone to Nick Sawton

931
00:45:20,307 --> 00:45:23,987
Speaker 19: this week seems like a very simple, easy request and

932
00:45:24,187 --> 00:45:26,827
Speaker 19: something that should be done not just for the kickers

933
00:45:26,867 --> 00:45:29,907
Speaker 19: and the players, but the fans at the grounds they're

934
00:45:29,987 --> 00:45:33,427
Speaker 19: now in Dunedin. They put up the decisions across the

935
00:45:33,467 --> 00:45:36,587
Speaker 19: big screen. Every decision that was made penalty wise here

936
00:45:36,667 --> 00:45:38,387
Speaker 19: was a brief explanation.

937
00:45:38,027 --> 00:45:38,627
Speaker 11: Of what it was for.

938
00:45:39,227 --> 00:45:43,507
Speaker 19: So it shouldn't be a big thing to have that

939
00:45:43,667 --> 00:45:46,387
Speaker 19: sort of element there so everyone knows what's going on.

940
00:45:47,667 --> 00:45:51,707
Speaker 2: In overall terms, did you get what you expected last

941
00:45:51,787 --> 00:45:52,867
Speaker 2: night from these two teams?

942
00:45:54,387 --> 00:45:58,227
Speaker 19: To a degree? I think given the limited preparation, the

943
00:45:58,267 --> 00:46:00,947
Speaker 19: All Blacks heads the fact that this is the biggest

944
00:46:00,987 --> 00:46:03,467
Speaker 19: sea change for the All Blacks in twenty years. They

945
00:46:03,587 --> 00:46:07,147
Speaker 19: had eighteen new managements, a lot of it experience, they

946
00:46:07,227 --> 00:46:11,227
Speaker 19: had a lot of new calls, very limited time to

947
00:46:11,267 --> 00:46:13,747
Speaker 19: bring everyone together from the super rugby clubs. I did

948
00:46:13,867 --> 00:46:17,987
Speaker 19: expect them to be scratchy, rusty, nervous, and they were.

949
00:46:18,187 --> 00:46:22,347
Speaker 19: They started probably better than I expected, and England had

950
00:46:22,387 --> 00:46:26,227
Speaker 19: the benefit of playing six tests this year, of playing Japan,

951
00:46:26,547 --> 00:46:29,147
Speaker 19: of naming pretty much the same team other than their

952
00:46:29,227 --> 00:46:33,307
Speaker 19: props that they used against Japan seven or eight days ago.

953
00:46:33,507 --> 00:46:37,147
Speaker 19: So for me, this was a real blown opportunity for England.

954
00:46:37,187 --> 00:46:39,547
Speaker 19: This was their best chance to strike their first tour

955
00:46:40,027 --> 00:46:43,627
Speaker 19: to New Zealand in the decades, and they had it

956
00:46:43,747 --> 00:46:45,787
Speaker 19: to a degree in the palm of their hand. They

957
00:46:45,867 --> 00:46:48,067
Speaker 19: came out of the box brilliantly in the second half.

958
00:46:48,147 --> 00:46:50,627
Speaker 19: They put the All Backs under extreme pressure and they

959
00:46:50,747 --> 00:46:52,587
Speaker 19: just couldn't quite finish the job. I don't know if

960
00:46:52,627 --> 00:46:55,347
Speaker 19: you've done the sums piny, but this match could have

961
00:46:55,427 --> 00:46:59,067
Speaker 19: easily been a drawer off. Marcus Smith kicked all his kicks.

962
00:46:59,387 --> 00:47:03,347
Speaker 19: There was eight points. Damien McKenzie miss seven, including the

963
00:47:03,427 --> 00:47:05,787
Speaker 19: timed out penalties, so it could have easily been a draw,

964
00:47:05,947 --> 00:47:07,867
Speaker 19: and in my mind that probably would have been a

965
00:47:07,947 --> 00:47:08,467
Speaker 19: fair result.

966
00:47:09,307 --> 00:47:11,307
Speaker 2: So what got the All Blacks across the line?

967
00:47:13,507 --> 00:47:16,907
Speaker 19: I think they did well to fight through that adversity

968
00:47:17,067 --> 00:47:22,467
Speaker 19: in the second half and McKenzie did kick enough goals.

969
00:47:23,307 --> 00:47:25,827
Speaker 19: Addie Severe was huge with a couple of turnovers on

970
00:47:26,027 --> 00:47:28,547
Speaker 19: his own line, Scott Barrett with a couple of big

971
00:47:28,627 --> 00:47:33,667
Speaker 19: counter rucks. They just they did enough. But it was

972
00:47:33,907 --> 00:47:37,147
Speaker 19: very squeaky, very nervous. Scott Robinson talked about hatching the

973
00:47:37,227 --> 00:47:40,347
Speaker 19: wall behind him in the coach's box and you not

974
00:47:40,507 --> 00:47:44,747
Speaker 19: being totally calm. So this was a real experience, for

975
00:47:45,067 --> 00:47:49,467
Speaker 19: first experience for that whole management team. While there is

976
00:47:49,507 --> 00:47:52,707
Speaker 19: a strong degree of continuity from the playing group, it

977
00:47:52,867 --> 00:47:55,227
Speaker 19: is a new group and I expect him to be

978
00:47:55,307 --> 00:47:58,427
Speaker 19: a lot better. But this was a very near thing,

979
00:47:58,547 --> 00:47:58,827
Speaker 19: wasn't it?

980
00:47:59,267 --> 00:48:02,667
Speaker 2: It was? It was So what will be on Scott

981
00:48:02,747 --> 00:48:05,427
Speaker 2: Robertson's to do list as he hops on a plane

982
00:48:05,507 --> 00:48:09,147
Speaker 2: at some stations, presumably jets up to Auckland. What's on

983
00:48:09,267 --> 00:48:11,227
Speaker 2: his to do list right at the top of it.

984
00:48:12,627 --> 00:48:14,787
Speaker 19: I think there's some things that dealbacks will take away

985
00:48:14,827 --> 00:48:17,987
Speaker 19: from a positive perspective, this scrum was extremely dominant without

986
00:48:18,067 --> 00:48:21,827
Speaker 19: getting the rewards some where bizarre refereeing calls there. They

987
00:48:21,987 --> 00:48:24,707
Speaker 19: use them more well at times, probably not as much,

988
00:48:25,227 --> 00:48:29,627
Speaker 19: but in terms of improvements getting around the English rush defense,

989
00:48:30,187 --> 00:48:34,027
Speaker 19: the lion speed from Felix Jones. He's a former spring

990
00:48:34,107 --> 00:48:37,787
Speaker 19: box defense coach. He's coming and that rattle deal backs.

991
00:48:37,787 --> 00:48:41,347
Speaker 19: At times they target the second man. Damien McKenzie got

992
00:48:42,107 --> 00:48:46,627
Speaker 19: flattened a couple of times Eriykowani. They did score twice

993
00:48:46,747 --> 00:48:49,907
Speaker 19: with McKenzie kicking to the edge for several recent Stev

994
00:48:49,987 --> 00:48:53,827
Speaker 19: Petterfetter skipping out of Ben Earl's tackles to get around

995
00:48:53,867 --> 00:48:56,467
Speaker 19: that rush. But it just kept coming, and so that

996
00:48:56,547 --> 00:48:59,987
Speaker 19: will be a huge focus. I think the breakdown, England

997
00:49:00,027 --> 00:49:04,867
Speaker 19: had success there. I think Ollie Lawrence and the rookie

998
00:49:04,907 --> 00:49:09,147
Speaker 19: winger Emmanuel got two turnovers each. Marrow told you got two.

999
00:49:09,347 --> 00:49:14,187
Speaker 19: So increasingly England dominated the breakdown and the lineouts. Gil

1000
00:49:14,227 --> 00:49:16,987
Speaker 19: Black's lost three of their own throws and that's an

1001
00:49:17,027 --> 00:49:20,427
Speaker 19: area that they really pride themselves on. So those are

1002
00:49:20,507 --> 00:49:23,467
Speaker 19: three areas. I'm sure there'll be more just decision making

1003
00:49:23,547 --> 00:49:24,947
Speaker 19: as well. You look at the back end of the

1004
00:49:24,987 --> 00:49:28,067
Speaker 19: first half, Gill Black's played beyond the hooter inside their

1005
00:49:28,107 --> 00:49:31,427
Speaker 19: own half England in the penalty and they lock it

1006
00:49:31,507 --> 00:49:33,947
Speaker 19: up at ten all and given the All Blacks dominance,

1007
00:49:34,307 --> 00:49:37,507
Speaker 19: they didn't deserve to be level at halftime, so bill

1008
00:49:37,547 --> 00:49:39,147
Speaker 19: back should be better for that had out, but there

1009
00:49:39,227 --> 00:49:40,747
Speaker 19: is a lot for them to drill into in the

1010
00:49:40,787 --> 00:49:41,507
Speaker 19: next seven days.

1011
00:49:41,987 --> 00:49:44,267
Speaker 2: Do you expect any personnel changes in the All Black

1012
00:49:44,347 --> 00:49:44,987
Speaker 2: side next week.

1013
00:49:46,187 --> 00:49:48,427
Speaker 19: I think the key one will be probably at half back.

1014
00:49:48,947 --> 00:49:52,907
Speaker 19: TJ Pittinara had that nasty twist of his knee with

1015
00:49:53,067 --> 00:49:56,787
Speaker 19: Scott Barrett and the cleanouts and I'd be very surprised

1016
00:49:57,267 --> 00:50:00,747
Speaker 19: he was walking around the lobby today, didn't look too serious,

1017
00:50:00,907 --> 00:50:03,827
Speaker 19: but I'd be very surprised he didn't the merge for

1018
00:50:03,867 --> 00:50:07,827
Speaker 19: a second half and I don't to see him participating

1019
00:50:07,867 --> 00:50:09,787
Speaker 19: in this next test. And I do see that as

1020
00:50:10,067 --> 00:50:13,107
Speaker 19: quite a blow because I felt like he was a

1021
00:50:13,187 --> 00:50:15,987
Speaker 19: loss and fin Lay Trusty didn't have the same control

1022
00:50:16,067 --> 00:50:19,307
Speaker 19: from the base in that second half. So I think

1023
00:50:19,387 --> 00:50:21,667
Speaker 19: you'll probably see fin la Christie coming at half back

1024
00:50:21,707 --> 00:50:24,907
Speaker 19: if TJ. Petina has ruled out. Cortez at Artimo probably

1025
00:50:24,947 --> 00:50:27,867
Speaker 19: on the bench for his debut, and your backs will

1026
00:50:27,947 --> 00:50:31,507
Speaker 19: potentially have to call in a replacement, maybe Fala Falcatava

1027
00:50:31,947 --> 00:50:34,667
Speaker 19: or a Noah Hopm, but outside of that, I think

1028
00:50:34,747 --> 00:50:38,507
Speaker 19: it will be largely continuity and cohesion. That's Scott Robertson

1029
00:50:38,507 --> 00:50:41,347
Speaker 19: will want. He hasn't had long with this team and

1030
00:50:41,427 --> 00:50:46,067
Speaker 19: it will be more about getting improvements from that starting

1031
00:50:46,147 --> 00:50:49,107
Speaker 19: tend The only other tweak potentially maybe they look to

1032
00:50:49,187 --> 00:50:51,827
Speaker 19: inject Boden about at the back. I was impressed by

1033
00:50:51,867 --> 00:50:54,827
Speaker 19: Steven Petefestter, but they did pull him off after fifty

1034
00:50:54,867 --> 00:50:59,307
Speaker 19: one minutes, and part of the reasoning given for starting

1035
00:50:59,507 --> 00:51:02,307
Speaker 19: Stephen Petefestter was that Boden had only had one match

1036
00:51:02,667 --> 00:51:05,547
Speaker 19: club rugby match in the past five weeks, so that's

1037
00:51:05,667 --> 00:51:08,507
Speaker 19: probably something way up. I would also like to see

1038
00:51:08,507 --> 00:51:10,987
Speaker 19: a bit more punched from Neil Black's pack, but whether

1039
00:51:11,067 --> 00:51:13,787
Speaker 19: they make any changes there, certainly I don't see him

1040
00:51:13,827 --> 00:51:16,707
Speaker 19: coming in the front row given the way they.

1041
00:51:16,667 --> 00:51:21,387
Speaker 2: Performed potentially at blindside. Even Black at his fit isn't

1042
00:51:21,387 --> 00:51:23,747
Speaker 2: he could potentially come in at six?

1043
00:51:23,827 --> 00:51:25,107
Speaker 5: Could he? Yeah?

1044
00:51:25,107 --> 00:51:27,067
Speaker 19: I think he'll be in consideration. Hasn't played a lot

1045
00:51:27,067 --> 00:51:31,667
Speaker 19: of rugby this year either, but he's well liked, doesn't

1046
00:51:31,667 --> 00:51:34,467
Speaker 19: he buy Scott Watson and Jason Ryan. I think that's

1047
00:51:34,467 --> 00:51:37,507
Speaker 19: certainly a discussion point at six Summer Puny Female. I

1048
00:51:37,547 --> 00:51:39,667
Speaker 19: don't think you can knock his work great, but he

1049
00:51:39,787 --> 00:51:44,147
Speaker 19: probably didn't deliver the consistent ball carrying, powerful presence that

1050
00:51:44,307 --> 00:51:48,307
Speaker 19: you'd wants from that role. So I think there's certainly

1051
00:51:48,387 --> 00:51:50,627
Speaker 19: discussion to be had at blind Side. Luke Jacobson was

1052
00:51:50,627 --> 00:51:54,667
Speaker 19: on the bench, Buddies. He's not that big, powerful prototype

1053
00:51:54,667 --> 00:51:55,747
Speaker 19: that you're looking for at six.

1054
00:51:55,867 --> 00:51:56,947
Speaker 17: So yeah, maybe.

1055
00:51:58,307 --> 00:52:00,707
Speaker 19: Ethan Blackheader comes in. I don't think you could change

1056
00:52:00,747 --> 00:52:04,627
Speaker 19: the wings se verese was outstanding, wasn't he defensively? And

1057
00:52:04,787 --> 00:52:07,827
Speaker 19: his work create and Mark Kala, so I don't think

1058
00:52:07,867 --> 00:52:09,867
Speaker 19: you've seen too many changes elsewhere.

1059
00:52:09,787 --> 00:52:12,507
Speaker 2: All right, And just on England you talked about being

1060
00:52:12,547 --> 00:52:15,667
Speaker 2: a lost opportunity. They blew the chance to break a

1061
00:52:15,787 --> 00:52:18,667
Speaker 2: long standing drought of wins in New Zealand that goes

1062
00:52:18,707 --> 00:52:21,307
Speaker 2: all the way back to two thousand and three. Was

1063
00:52:21,427 --> 00:52:24,147
Speaker 2: last night their best chance? Or will the way they

1064
00:52:24,307 --> 00:52:27,587
Speaker 2: played last night give them confidence they can go to

1065
00:52:27,667 --> 00:52:30,587
Speaker 2: the fortress at is Eden Park and went up there

1066
00:52:30,667 --> 00:52:31,227
Speaker 2: next weekend.

1067
00:52:32,987 --> 00:52:35,267
Speaker 19: I'm going to expect them to take heart from that

1068
00:52:35,387 --> 00:52:40,467
Speaker 19: performance and improve themselves. But this was the best chance

1069
00:52:40,547 --> 00:52:44,267
Speaker 19: to catch the All Blacks on the hop to expose

1070
00:52:44,347 --> 00:52:48,107
Speaker 19: a team that's had such limited time together. And I

1071
00:52:48,187 --> 00:52:50,667
Speaker 19: think it is there is something about eden Park with

1072
00:52:50,867 --> 00:52:56,747
Speaker 19: your buy into the universal mystique or whatever it is,

1073
00:52:56,787 --> 00:52:59,987
Speaker 19: there is something in eden Park that brings out the

1074
00:53:00,067 --> 00:53:00,427
Speaker 19: best in.

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00:53:00,467 --> 00:53:01,027
Speaker 10: The All Blacks.

1076
00:53:01,667 --> 00:53:03,707
Speaker 19: So I would expect the All Blacks to improve in

1077
00:53:03,747 --> 00:53:07,347
Speaker 19: the next week, to play better. But look, I expect

1078
00:53:07,387 --> 00:53:10,427
Speaker 19: England to still be competitive. They're still going to bring

1079
00:53:10,467 --> 00:53:12,907
Speaker 19: the rush, defense, their pressure at the line, out the breakdown.

1080
00:53:13,667 --> 00:53:16,427
Speaker 19: They will still challenge the All Blacks. But this was

1081
00:53:16,547 --> 00:53:19,627
Speaker 19: the best chance. And you know, when you come so

1082
00:53:19,787 --> 00:53:23,707
Speaker 19: close and don't get over the line, there is a

1083
00:53:23,747 --> 00:53:26,747
Speaker 19: bit of a hangover from that, so they'll have to

1084
00:53:26,827 --> 00:53:30,067
Speaker 19: move on pretty quickly. But I didn't know Jamie George

1085
00:53:30,147 --> 00:53:35,387
Speaker 19: postmatch saying, you know, they were a bit pissed off

1086
00:53:35,467 --> 00:53:37,267
Speaker 19: to a degree that the All Blacks didn't know their

1087
00:53:37,307 --> 00:53:39,627
Speaker 19: names last week, and Jamie George when an interview of

1088
00:53:39,707 --> 00:53:42,027
Speaker 19: the BBC was saying, look, well they'll know who we

1089
00:53:42,107 --> 00:53:44,907
Speaker 19: are now. So this is a motivated England team. They're

1090
00:53:44,947 --> 00:53:48,547
Speaker 19: very driven to break that history, so they'll give it

1091
00:53:48,587 --> 00:53:50,707
Speaker 19: a good crack next week too, fantastic.

1092
00:53:50,747 --> 00:53:52,307
Speaker 2: Well, I've had a clock running while you've been on

1093
00:53:52,387 --> 00:53:55,027
Speaker 2: the air and you bang on the allocated time, Liam,

1094
00:53:55,347 --> 00:53:57,347
Speaker 2: you haven't gone over it, and you had no visual

1095
00:53:57,467 --> 00:53:59,427
Speaker 2: queue either, presumably, so well done.

1096
00:54:00,107 --> 00:54:00,507
Speaker 5: That's great.

1097
00:54:00,507 --> 00:54:03,027
Speaker 19: You didn't have to call him a mo I didn't have.

1098
00:54:03,107 --> 00:54:05,627
Speaker 2: To save travels night. We'll see in Auckland next week.

1099
00:54:06,347 --> 00:54:07,667
Speaker 19: It's Bunny tom Man.

1100
00:54:07,707 --> 00:54:09,867
Speaker 2: Thanks Liam, Liam, And if you're there New Zealand Herald,

1101
00:54:10,307 --> 00:54:13,507
Speaker 2: senior rugby writer always worth reading his copy, be it

1102
00:54:13,667 --> 00:54:17,787
Speaker 2: match reports or analysis inzit herold dot co dot ez it,

1103
00:54:17,907 --> 00:54:20,147
Speaker 2: or just pick up the paper if it's around where

1104
00:54:20,187 --> 00:54:23,387
Speaker 2: you are and have a read. Oh eight one hundred

1105
00:54:23,387 --> 00:54:25,747
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty nine two ninety two. On text

1106
00:54:25,787 --> 00:54:27,707
Speaker 2: we can talk some more rugby, pick up on whatever

1107
00:54:27,707 --> 00:54:29,347
Speaker 2: you're like. I don't really want to labor the shot

1108
00:54:29,427 --> 00:54:31,707
Speaker 2: clock point, but there's a lot of a lot of

1109
00:54:31,787 --> 00:54:34,427
Speaker 2: interest in chatting about it, presumably, so let's keep on

1110
00:54:34,747 --> 00:54:35,027
Speaker 2: doing that.

1111
00:54:35,347 --> 00:54:35,547
Speaker 14: Frank.

1112
00:54:35,587 --> 00:54:37,267
Speaker 2: You might have to turn your radio down in the

1113
00:54:37,307 --> 00:54:41,707
Speaker 2: background there, mate, Let's go to Pete. Hello, Pete, how

1114
00:54:41,787 --> 00:54:44,387
Speaker 2: you doing. I'm okay, Pete, I'm okay. What do you

1115
00:54:44,587 --> 00:54:47,467
Speaker 2: want to talk about? The shot clock? Incident.

1116
00:54:47,827 --> 00:54:51,067
Speaker 15: I've got a technical question around that sixty seconds then

1117
00:54:51,147 --> 00:54:52,947
Speaker 15: you yourself won't got to answer this, but I'm sure

1118
00:54:52,987 --> 00:54:55,827
Speaker 15: one of your good listeners are referees and that so

1119
00:54:57,107 --> 00:54:59,987
Speaker 15: who's determined you're taking a legitimate shot at goal. So

1120
00:55:00,507 --> 00:55:03,747
Speaker 15: the referee allocates you a penalty with a minute to

1121
00:55:03,827 --> 00:55:06,147
Speaker 15: go or frexnly less than a minute to go. So

1122
00:55:06,347 --> 00:55:09,227
Speaker 15: so if you take a shot and you miss, then

1123
00:55:09,347 --> 00:55:12,107
Speaker 15: the opposition could potentially run off and score a try.

1124
00:55:12,267 --> 00:55:16,827
Speaker 15: So you tell your your kicker line up to take rest.

1125
00:55:16,867 --> 00:55:19,507
Speaker 15: We're taking a goal. Tell you kicker, I don't aim

1126
00:55:19,587 --> 00:55:22,187
Speaker 15: for posts, aim for the sideline and just get the

1127
00:55:22,227 --> 00:55:25,707
Speaker 15: ball out. And to take it back to a never

1128
00:55:25,787 --> 00:55:29,187
Speaker 15: and sillier situation, you've got penalty in your own twenty

1129
00:55:29,227 --> 00:55:31,147
Speaker 15: two and the rest goes, well you can't shoot that,

1130
00:55:31,267 --> 00:55:33,147
Speaker 15: you can't reach that, And you say, well rest, Yeah,

1131
00:55:33,187 --> 00:55:34,907
Speaker 15: this guy can kick eighty meters. He's going to have

1132
00:55:34,947 --> 00:55:37,227
Speaker 15: a decent go with it. And he stands there, waits

1133
00:55:37,267 --> 00:55:40,307
Speaker 15: for the shot. What the countdown games over? Kick the

1134
00:55:40,347 --> 00:55:42,947
Speaker 15: ball dead or kick the ball over the sideline. Because

1135
00:55:42,987 --> 00:55:44,707
Speaker 15: he does the kick and say, oh, he's not as

1136
00:55:44,707 --> 00:55:45,307
Speaker 15: good as I thought.

1137
00:55:45,347 --> 00:55:48,587
Speaker 2: Ref So turns out, he can't kick it, Adie Medus.

1138
00:55:48,667 --> 00:55:51,707
Speaker 2: I know what you're saying, Pete and I because we

1139
00:55:51,867 --> 00:55:54,827
Speaker 2: know that you can't pass the ball out intentionally. If

1140
00:55:54,827 --> 00:55:56,587
Speaker 2: you're running down the sideline with a ball, you can't

1141
00:55:56,627 --> 00:56:00,307
Speaker 2: pass it out intentionally. But it's an interesting point that

1142
00:56:00,427 --> 00:56:02,827
Speaker 2: you raise. I think if it was a kick that

1143
00:56:03,907 --> 00:56:05,427
Speaker 2: you know the game's going to end. I think what

1144
00:56:05,547 --> 00:56:07,787
Speaker 2: they encourage kicker to do when they're lining up the

1145
00:56:07,787 --> 00:56:09,947
Speaker 2: shot of goal is to give up plenty. So even

1146
00:56:09,987 --> 00:56:13,267
Speaker 2: if even if they miss, it goes dead, game over. Anyway,

1147
00:56:13,507 --> 00:56:15,187
Speaker 2: it's when the ball stays in the field of play

1148
00:56:15,307 --> 00:56:17,267
Speaker 2: or it was taken in the end goal area or

1149
00:56:17,307 --> 00:56:19,147
Speaker 2: whatever it might be. But yeah, it's an interesting point

1150
00:56:19,227 --> 00:56:22,147
Speaker 2: you make. I'm not sure what would happen in the

1151
00:56:22,267 --> 00:56:23,787
Speaker 2: case of the eighty meter penalty.

1152
00:56:24,707 --> 00:56:24,907
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1153
00:56:24,947 --> 00:56:26,827
Speaker 15: Well, as I said, I leave the I live the

1154
00:56:26,867 --> 00:56:28,867
Speaker 15: phone line open for someone who.

1155
00:56:33,747 --> 00:56:34,107
Speaker 9: I remember.

1156
00:56:34,147 --> 00:56:35,907
Speaker 15: In the World Cup there was one of the remember

1157
00:56:35,907 --> 00:56:37,267
Speaker 15: which came was it was a game and it was

1158
00:56:37,307 --> 00:56:38,507
Speaker 15: about thirty seconds to go, and I.

1159
00:56:38,507 --> 00:56:40,027
Speaker 19: Was thinking, mate, don't aim for the post.

1160
00:56:40,187 --> 00:56:41,347
Speaker 10: Just aim to get the ball.

1161
00:56:41,227 --> 00:56:43,867
Speaker 15: As like, you know, aim for the corner post or something,

1162
00:56:44,227 --> 00:56:47,067
Speaker 15: you know, just you know, don't aims to give them

1163
00:56:47,107 --> 00:56:47,387
Speaker 15: the ball.

1164
00:56:47,467 --> 00:56:50,067
Speaker 2: Basically, I love the way you're thinking, mate, Good on

1165
00:56:50,187 --> 00:56:52,227
Speaker 2: your mate. Well keep listening because I'm sure there'll be

1166
00:56:52,267 --> 00:56:54,067
Speaker 2: an answer somewhere in the ZB audience.

1167
00:56:54,867 --> 00:56:57,547
Speaker 22: Frank, Hello, Hello, Yes, if you're going to have a

1168
00:56:57,747 --> 00:57:00,667
Speaker 22: time in one minute for the kicking, how about for

1169
00:57:00,787 --> 00:57:03,747
Speaker 22: them when walking to the line out it should be

1170
00:57:03,907 --> 00:57:07,187
Speaker 22: ten or fifteen second penalty on that and if they

1171
00:57:07,267 --> 00:57:10,667
Speaker 22: don't get the n ten or fifteen seconds penalty the

1172
00:57:10,707 --> 00:57:11,147
Speaker 22: other team.

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00:57:11,587 --> 00:57:13,987
Speaker 2: I think that I think there is one, Frank. I

1174
00:57:14,067 --> 00:57:16,107
Speaker 2: don't know how heavily it's enforced, but I think they

1175
00:57:16,187 --> 00:57:19,147
Speaker 2: have broad in a shot clock type arrangement for lineouts

1176
00:57:19,187 --> 00:57:19,987
Speaker 2: and scrums. Rum.

1177
00:57:20,227 --> 00:57:22,747
Speaker 22: Yeah, so they should because they're just walking near wasting

1178
00:57:22,747 --> 00:57:23,787
Speaker 22: a lot of time last night.

1179
00:57:24,707 --> 00:57:27,067
Speaker 2: Good point, Frank. Yeah, they do seem to have committee meetings,

1180
00:57:27,107 --> 00:57:30,627
Speaker 2: don't they, in an around lineouts in particular. I noticed

1181
00:57:30,627 --> 00:57:33,467
Speaker 2: that a bit last night. One twenty three's the time

1182
00:57:33,907 --> 00:57:35,667
Speaker 2: I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty probably for the

1183
00:57:35,707 --> 00:57:38,027
Speaker 2: first time this afternoon, there was a spare line. If

1184
00:57:38,027 --> 00:57:39,627
Speaker 2: you want to jump aboard it, We've got a couple

1185
00:57:39,707 --> 00:57:42,067
Speaker 2: to get to on text nine to two, nine to

1186
00:57:42,107 --> 00:57:44,947
Speaker 2: two back with more of your calls on Weekend Sport

1187
00:57:45,027 --> 00:57:46,147
Speaker 2: after this one.

1188
00:57:46,347 --> 00:57:51,587
Speaker 1: Crutch hold Ngage Weekend Sports with Jason Tame and GJ.

1189
00:57:51,747 --> 00:57:56,147
Speaker 1: Gunnerhomes New Zealand's ice Trusted home Builder News Talks Abby.

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00:57:55,987 --> 00:57:57,787
Speaker 2: News Talks a B one twenty six Back to the

1191
00:57:57,867 --> 00:58:00,507
Speaker 2: line shortly. Here's Scott Robertson speaking a short time ago

1192
00:58:00,587 --> 00:58:03,667
Speaker 2: about the relief of winning his first Test match as

1193
00:58:03,747 --> 00:58:04,187
Speaker 2: head coach.

1194
00:58:05,027 --> 00:58:07,467
Speaker 23: I think Test footy was a reality of the chest

1195
00:58:07,507 --> 00:58:09,907
Speaker 23: footing and how close and the margins are and how

1196
00:58:09,987 --> 00:58:12,827
Speaker 23: poortant the little things are in the game. Look really

1197
00:58:12,907 --> 00:58:16,107
Speaker 23: proud of the group, how they thought on their feet

1198
00:58:16,147 --> 00:58:17,987
Speaker 23: and made some really good decisions and found a way

1199
00:58:18,067 --> 00:58:21,387
Speaker 23: to win that. Ye will be better for a lot

1200
00:58:21,387 --> 00:58:24,427
Speaker 23: of players got some time under their belt, you know

1201
00:58:24,467 --> 00:58:26,347
Speaker 23: they had a few boys hadn't played.

1202
00:58:28,387 --> 00:58:28,987
Speaker 5: For a while.

1203
00:58:30,267 --> 00:58:31,987
Speaker 23: We embedded a lot through the week and now we

1204
00:58:32,027 --> 00:58:32,747
Speaker 23: can just get into it.

1205
00:58:33,107 --> 00:58:35,267
Speaker 2: That is Scott Robertson a short time ago doing his

1206
00:58:35,707 --> 00:58:39,547
Speaker 2: Sunday Morning media. Doan you reckon he'll be happy with

1207
00:58:39,667 --> 00:58:41,867
Speaker 2: his first outing? Raise it or are you happy with it?

1208
00:58:42,907 --> 00:58:43,467
Speaker 20: Oh mate?

1209
00:58:43,747 --> 00:58:47,427
Speaker 8: One hundred happy hats off to Rasa and the team.

1210
00:58:48,227 --> 00:58:49,987
Speaker 8: I mean only having two.

1211
00:58:49,907 --> 00:58:54,227
Speaker 17: Weeks to get the boys together and to just get

1212
00:58:54,307 --> 00:58:56,107
Speaker 17: the dub pressed up.

1213
00:58:57,427 --> 00:59:00,867
Speaker 8: That's kudos to Raisa and the team.

1214
00:59:02,107 --> 00:59:04,387
Speaker 2: What what impressed you the most? Who did you like

1215
00:59:04,507 --> 00:59:04,947
Speaker 2: last night?

1216
00:59:06,027 --> 00:59:06,227
Speaker 11: Well?

1217
00:59:06,347 --> 00:59:09,947
Speaker 8: I like the first half. I thought our breakdown area

1218
00:59:10,187 --> 00:59:15,627
Speaker 8: was beauty, TG quickball. Just towards the end there it

1219
00:59:15,707 --> 00:59:19,467
Speaker 8: did get a little missy, but I did find it

1220
00:59:19,627 --> 00:59:24,227
Speaker 8: changed once Christy Kemman second half. I mean that there

1221
00:59:24,227 --> 00:59:27,187
Speaker 8: are one play there where the rest calling for him

1222
00:59:27,187 --> 00:59:30,067
Speaker 8: to use the ball and then he doesn't use the ball.

1223
00:59:30,427 --> 00:59:33,587
Speaker 8: Whether Ardie didn't hear him off the back, I'm not sure,

1224
00:59:33,667 --> 00:59:38,067
Speaker 8: but happy with the boys efforts and I wouldn't mind

1225
00:59:38,107 --> 00:59:41,467
Speaker 8: if they kept the same team. Yeah, if you make

1226
00:59:41,467 --> 00:59:44,627
Speaker 8: another run at first five, you know, yeah.

1227
00:59:44,507 --> 00:59:46,587
Speaker 2: I guess they might. They'll have to. They'll probably have

1228
00:59:46,707 --> 00:59:49,387
Speaker 2: to make a change at half back with with TJ's injury.

1229
00:59:49,547 --> 00:59:51,467
Speaker 2: As you've probably heard, we don't know the full extent

1230
00:59:51,547 --> 00:59:53,787
Speaker 2: of it just at the moment. I mean, I'm just

1231
00:59:54,347 --> 00:59:56,827
Speaker 2: hoping that it's one of those where it's not as

1232
00:59:56,867 --> 00:59:59,187
Speaker 2: bad as it first appears because he's had such bad

1233
00:59:59,267 --> 01:00:02,347
Speaker 2: luck with injuries. But they may just decide, Okay, let's

1234
01:00:02,507 --> 01:00:05,147
Speaker 2: let's be cautious. So yeah, they may have to make

1235
01:00:05,187 --> 01:00:08,747
Speaker 2: a change there elsewhere. I think you're right, Dean, I'm

1236
01:00:08,827 --> 01:00:11,507
Speaker 2: not sure that there'll be too many tweaks that would

1237
01:00:11,547 --> 01:00:14,547
Speaker 2: definitely be needed. I think you'd probably throw pretty much

1238
01:00:14,547 --> 01:00:15,467
Speaker 2: the same team back out there.

1239
01:00:16,547 --> 01:00:20,627
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, even the shot clock. I mean I

1240
01:00:20,787 --> 01:00:22,907
Speaker 8: was on the edge of my seat, I guess as

1241
01:00:23,147 --> 01:00:25,667
Speaker 8: the rest of the do nation. But I mean I

1242
01:00:25,827 --> 01:00:29,587
Speaker 8: wasn't too upset because of the position we're in. We're

1243
01:00:29,707 --> 01:00:32,067
Speaker 8: up one. I mean, it might have been a different

1244
01:00:32,107 --> 01:00:34,667
Speaker 8: story for a down one, but we're up one. Okay,

1245
01:00:34,827 --> 01:00:38,827
Speaker 8: yet they boarded gazers and we're in there twenty two.

1246
01:00:39,627 --> 01:00:42,667
Speaker 8: So yeah, but a shot clock would be good.

1247
01:00:48,627 --> 01:00:50,947
Speaker 2: You won't get an argument, Dean from me on that, mate.

1248
01:00:50,987 --> 01:00:52,787
Speaker 2: You won't get an argument from me. Good to have

1249
01:00:52,867 --> 01:00:55,347
Speaker 2: your thoughts, mate, And I think a lot of people

1250
01:00:55,427 --> 01:00:57,707
Speaker 2: probably share your view that that you know, a win

1251
01:00:57,867 --> 01:01:00,467
Speaker 2: is a win. It's a results business. After all, you've

1252
01:01:00,507 --> 01:01:03,587
Speaker 2: got to win the game. And yes, if it had

1253
01:01:03,627 --> 01:01:05,587
Speaker 2: been the other way around, I'm sure the calls would

1254
01:01:05,587 --> 01:01:08,547
Speaker 2: be very different day, but it wasn't. History will show

1255
01:01:08,667 --> 01:01:12,187
Speaker 2: us that Scott Robertson's tenure as All Black's head coach

1256
01:01:12,227 --> 01:01:14,427
Speaker 2: started with a win, a hard fought one with lots

1257
01:01:14,467 --> 01:01:18,547
Speaker 2: of layers of complexity and conversation, but a win nonetheless.

1258
01:01:18,627 --> 01:01:22,107
Speaker 2: Good to chet to you, Dan, Hello, Petey fine.

1259
01:01:22,307 --> 01:01:24,107
Speaker 24: I think the old rager could be quite happy. It's

1260
01:01:24,107 --> 01:01:26,267
Speaker 24: a new team. Pretty much up he got now, So

1261
01:01:26,827 --> 01:01:28,827
Speaker 24: I think the wins will win. They did pretty good.

1262
01:01:28,947 --> 01:01:31,107
Speaker 24: I think you know you'll have plas to do. And

1263
01:01:31,147 --> 01:01:33,427
Speaker 24: the poems are hard. They're hard me and the big

1264
01:01:33,467 --> 01:01:35,587
Speaker 24: boys think be shrubbed. They got big boys in their team,

1265
01:01:35,707 --> 01:01:38,427
Speaker 24: so I think we could be proud of our team.

1266
01:01:38,507 --> 01:01:42,787
Speaker 24: But just going back to regarding their sixty sixty seconds

1267
01:01:43,227 --> 01:01:45,867
Speaker 24: time to kick a goal, I reckon it's not really

1268
01:01:46,027 --> 01:01:48,267
Speaker 24: fair that it should be on the day like it's

1269
01:01:48,347 --> 01:01:51,107
Speaker 24: windy by the time that the guy runs out and

1270
01:01:51,147 --> 01:01:53,467
Speaker 24: puts the thing and to kick the ball and sixteen

1271
01:01:53,547 --> 01:01:54,867
Speaker 24: seconds ok, and it's a hell of a lot of

1272
01:01:54,947 --> 01:01:58,907
Speaker 24: time frame, truly short time play American. Plus they should

1273
01:01:58,907 --> 01:02:02,187
Speaker 24: put a display and how say they can steal on

1274
01:02:02,227 --> 01:02:04,467
Speaker 24: the goal postal summy. So the poor old kick the

1275
01:02:04,507 --> 01:02:06,147
Speaker 24: white Dame. You can see him and he thinks he's

1276
01:02:06,147 --> 01:02:08,427
Speaker 24: got yet fifty seconds is not much. I reckon I

1277
01:02:08,467 --> 01:02:11,067
Speaker 24: should maybe extend it a little bit more. You get

1278
01:02:11,107 --> 01:02:14,307
Speaker 24: a really good ticker in a team, they'll take advantage

1279
01:02:14,307 --> 01:02:15,947
Speaker 24: of that and they'll win, because then they're putting the

1280
01:02:15,987 --> 01:02:19,347
Speaker 24: stress on maybe a ticket that needs a bit more time,

1281
01:02:19,427 --> 01:02:21,667
Speaker 24: I reckon it's not should we maybe a win and

1282
01:02:21,787 --> 01:02:23,547
Speaker 24: a half or two minutes not much to see how

1283
01:02:23,627 --> 01:02:25,627
Speaker 24: much time they're wasting the scum scrums in that.

1284
01:02:26,707 --> 01:02:28,627
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a good point you make, Pete, which

1285
01:02:28,667 --> 01:02:30,787
Speaker 2: others have made as well, as like, if we're trying

1286
01:02:30,827 --> 01:02:34,107
Speaker 2: to cut down on time wasting or or dead time

1287
01:02:34,147 --> 01:02:36,827
Speaker 2: in a game of rugby, then surely things like reset scrums,

1288
01:02:37,747 --> 01:02:39,627
Speaker 2: players taking ages to get to the line out and

1289
01:02:39,707 --> 01:02:41,467
Speaker 2: other things need to be looked at as well. I

1290
01:02:42,147 --> 01:02:44,507
Speaker 2: think to give the all Black Stare credit. Both Damien

1291
01:02:44,547 --> 01:02:48,347
Speaker 2: McKenzie and Scott Robertson said afterwards, we know the framework

1292
01:02:48,467 --> 01:02:51,107
Speaker 2: within which we're playing. We just have to make our

1293
01:02:51,187 --> 01:02:55,347
Speaker 2: own adjustments. So yeah, for Damien McKenzie, look, it's one

1294
01:02:55,347 --> 01:02:57,587
Speaker 2: of those where it's never happened him before, and he

1295
01:02:57,627 --> 01:03:00,347
Speaker 2: said afterwards he hope it never happens again. He'll be

1296
01:03:00,467 --> 01:03:02,947
Speaker 2: so aware of it next time waiting. But I think

1297
01:03:02,987 --> 01:03:05,707
Speaker 2: you're right, it's if it's a windy day, or it

1298
01:03:05,827 --> 01:03:07,987
Speaker 2: takes ages for the tea to get out there. There's

1299
01:03:08,067 --> 01:03:10,427
Speaker 2: just a couple of variables which make it, you know,

1300
01:03:10,907 --> 01:03:16,227
Speaker 2: not quite as consistent as it could be. Yeah, be fair, Yeah,

1301
01:03:16,267 --> 01:03:19,867
Speaker 2: good on your feet. Thanks mate, I appreciate it, jacere

1302
01:03:19,867 --> 01:03:20,707
Speaker 2: your overall thoughts.

1303
01:03:23,947 --> 01:03:26,787
Speaker 25: Sorry you're there, Piney, I'm here, Jace Oh sorry I

1304
01:03:26,867 --> 01:03:30,587
Speaker 25: am now so yeah, I just say you, producer, there's

1305
01:03:30,707 --> 01:03:32,627
Speaker 25: a growing thing with me. Like I I think it

1306
01:03:32,747 --> 01:03:35,267
Speaker 25: was just a case of four super rugby teams coming

1307
01:03:35,307 --> 01:03:38,867
Speaker 25: together at haste versus a side that's at least had

1308
01:03:38,907 --> 01:03:42,587
Speaker 25: a together, and it sort of showed a bit like

1309
01:03:42,707 --> 01:03:44,467
Speaker 25: that were sort of I don't know, I just thought of,

1310
01:03:44,587 --> 01:03:48,387
Speaker 25: look but pop gun rugby. We were running around in

1311
01:03:48,467 --> 01:03:50,227
Speaker 25: circles to sort of try and go and meet a

1312
01:03:50,307 --> 01:03:52,867
Speaker 25: Ford type thing versus, you know, the big sides we

1313
01:03:52,947 --> 01:03:56,547
Speaker 25: had in the past. We always had that big goliath

1314
01:03:56,787 --> 01:03:59,547
Speaker 25: type enforcer, whether it be a Jonah or whether it

1315
01:03:59,707 --> 01:04:03,027
Speaker 25: be a oh the guy that retired up with US

1316
01:04:03,107 --> 01:04:06,987
Speaker 25: World Cup Jerome Connellano type. We don't have them, and

1317
01:04:07,067 --> 01:04:09,667
Speaker 25: it just seems like if the opposition can just get

1318
01:04:09,787 --> 01:04:12,067
Speaker 25: up like England at the whole game must have been

1319
01:04:12,107 --> 01:04:13,867
Speaker 25: bordering on off side the entire game.

1320
01:04:13,987 --> 01:04:14,547
Speaker 10: Let's be fair.

1321
01:04:15,187 --> 01:04:16,627
Speaker 25: They just seem to be able to knock the stuff

1322
01:04:16,627 --> 01:04:18,267
Speaker 25: and out of us a bit, and then we sort

1323
01:04:18,307 --> 01:04:20,947
Speaker 25: of do the little darts around and try and get

1324
01:04:20,987 --> 01:04:25,107
Speaker 25: things going again. But yeah, I'd just been disappointed, to

1325
01:04:25,187 --> 01:04:29,187
Speaker 25: be honest, But maybe that was just indicative the fact that,

1326
01:04:29,587 --> 01:04:32,427
Speaker 25: as I said before, we've got soup four super ropey

1327
01:04:32,467 --> 01:04:34,707
Speaker 25: sides sort of coming together that form the nucleus of

1328
01:04:35,227 --> 01:04:37,587
Speaker 25: the squad. But they can only get better.

1329
01:04:39,827 --> 01:04:42,507
Speaker 2: Big game next week, Big game next week, Jason. The

1330
01:04:42,587 --> 01:04:46,027
Speaker 2: counterpoint to the short time together is the state of

1331
01:04:46,107 --> 01:04:49,387
Speaker 2: origin example, where those players only have a short time together,

1332
01:04:49,467 --> 01:04:52,907
Speaker 2: don't they head of state of origin matches? So you

1333
01:04:52,987 --> 01:04:55,827
Speaker 2: know there is a counterpoint to it. But you did

1334
01:04:55,947 --> 01:04:59,387
Speaker 2: right ten days versus you know, several months that England

1335
01:04:59,427 --> 01:05:01,947
Speaker 2: have been together. If you take it back to before

1336
01:05:02,227 --> 01:05:04,187
Speaker 2: the World Cup, through the Six Nations and then on

1337
01:05:04,307 --> 01:05:07,507
Speaker 2: to the Japan Test and then down he Yeah, the

1338
01:05:07,587 --> 01:05:09,907
Speaker 2: preparations are vastly different between the two.

1339
01:05:10,907 --> 01:05:11,107
Speaker 26: Yeah.

1340
01:05:11,267 --> 01:05:14,107
Speaker 25: One final thing too, Like one player that you were saying,

1341
01:05:14,107 --> 01:05:17,267
Speaker 25: you know, I'm pretty much on song with the consensus

1342
01:05:17,307 --> 01:05:18,987
Speaker 25: that you probably just throw out the same side again.

1343
01:05:19,027 --> 01:05:21,307
Speaker 25: But Ritojani would need to show something a little bit

1344
01:05:21,787 --> 01:05:23,787
Speaker 25: like he promised a few years ago. He's sort of

1345
01:05:23,827 --> 01:05:27,427
Speaker 25: been running around, whether it be in the Super season

1346
01:05:28,427 --> 01:05:30,867
Speaker 25: or verse so far. He'd need to show something a

1347
01:05:30,907 --> 01:05:33,387
Speaker 25: little bit more dynamic than what he's putting out there

1348
01:05:33,387 --> 01:05:35,907
Speaker 25: at the moment too. He would be probably my only

1349
01:05:35,947 --> 01:05:36,467
Speaker 25: concern in that.

1350
01:05:37,267 --> 01:05:40,067
Speaker 2: All right, Jas, good to chat mate. Thanks and Dick. Yeah,

1351
01:05:40,067 --> 01:05:44,227
Speaker 2: I think Billy Proctor will get a test at some

1352
01:05:44,507 --> 01:05:46,627
Speaker 2: stage in the next two I wonder whether it might

1353
01:05:46,667 --> 01:05:49,147
Speaker 2: wait till San Diego. He was the form center and

1354
01:05:49,187 --> 01:05:51,027
Speaker 2: super rugby Billy Procter, and I don't think he'd be

1355
01:05:51,027 --> 01:05:52,747
Speaker 2: able to place in an All Blacks jersey at all.

1356
01:05:54,347 --> 01:05:59,227
Speaker 2: It just yeah, I think he'll run out almost the

1357
01:05:59,347 --> 01:06:03,747
Speaker 2: same team next week, injury permitting. Half Back obviously will

1358
01:06:03,787 --> 01:06:05,187
Speaker 2: be one that needs to be looked at. But I

1359
01:06:05,227 --> 01:06:07,987
Speaker 2: wouldn't be at all surprised if from ten out to

1360
01:06:08,067 --> 01:06:11,267
Speaker 2: fifteen it's the same. It's the same players. We'll see

1361
01:06:11,747 --> 01:06:12,707
Speaker 2: team named on Thursday.

1362
01:06:12,747 --> 01:06:16,147
Speaker 21: Hello James, Yeah, hang on, all right, very good first

1363
01:06:16,187 --> 01:06:21,147
Speaker 21: time caller to you. Yeah, I'm not concerned that the

1364
01:06:21,187 --> 01:06:24,307
Speaker 21: All Blacks have gone back or gone to the super

1365
01:06:24,427 --> 01:06:28,267
Speaker 21: rugged style of when they get awarded a penalty and

1366
01:06:28,707 --> 01:06:31,307
Speaker 21: their first penalty, they've been having the right line, they've

1367
01:06:31,467 --> 01:06:34,867
Speaker 21: didn't score a try, so they awarded a penalty and

1368
01:06:34,947 --> 01:06:39,267
Speaker 21: I don't take the points to build schoolboard pressure. A

1369
01:06:39,347 --> 01:06:41,907
Speaker 21: perfect example, this was too sad name with Kieran Reid

1370
01:06:42,027 --> 01:06:43,707
Speaker 21: kicking for touch at the time, and we drew the

1371
01:06:43,787 --> 01:06:45,907
Speaker 21: series of the Lions. We should have been light years

1372
01:06:45,907 --> 01:06:48,547
Speaker 21: the head of Alliance. If they had a captain like

1373
01:06:49,387 --> 01:06:52,467
Speaker 21: Buck Shelford, we would have won that series. You know,

1374
01:06:52,707 --> 01:06:54,867
Speaker 21: we left ten points out there for the All Blacks

1375
01:06:55,227 --> 01:06:59,107
Speaker 21: because that would have that was a showing that penalty,

1376
01:06:59,427 --> 01:07:01,627
Speaker 21: that first penalty we had would have been three points.

1377
01:07:02,027 --> 01:07:05,747
Speaker 21: We didn't score from kicking to touch. In fact, we

1378
01:07:05,827 --> 01:07:08,027
Speaker 21: turned the ball. So I just think the All Blacks

1379
01:07:08,067 --> 01:07:10,627
Speaker 21: are going to have to learn to go back to

1380
01:07:10,707 --> 01:07:14,267
Speaker 21: the way we used to play the game, especially when

1381
01:07:14,307 --> 01:07:17,307
Speaker 21: you're playing Lions because it's Olympics, you'll never played them again,

1382
01:07:17,947 --> 01:07:22,107
Speaker 21: and you don't win by just kicking for touch and

1383
01:07:22,147 --> 01:07:24,587
Speaker 21: then turning them all over. So I think the All

1384
01:07:24,627 --> 01:07:26,707
Speaker 21: Blacks need to go back to the basics and start

1385
01:07:26,747 --> 01:07:30,627
Speaker 21: building scoreboard pressure, getting down that end and take the three.

1386
01:07:30,787 --> 01:07:31,867
Speaker 21: Take the three, take the three.

1387
01:07:32,307 --> 01:07:34,867
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've often heard it, sa James. Yeah, I've often

1388
01:07:34,907 --> 01:07:37,587
Speaker 2: heard it, said James, And exactly what you're subscribing to

1389
01:07:37,867 --> 01:07:40,827
Speaker 2: that it's okay to go up in threes. It's quite okay,

1390
01:07:41,147 --> 01:07:44,707
Speaker 2: especially when you know hindsight sixteen fifteen. You know, three

1391
01:07:44,747 --> 01:07:46,467
Speaker 2: points here or there, it makes a massive difference.

1392
01:07:47,107 --> 01:07:50,507
Speaker 21: Yeah, the other ten would have been light year between

1393
01:07:50,627 --> 01:07:52,387
Speaker 21: us and that English team last night.

1394
01:07:52,667 --> 01:07:54,507
Speaker 2: Yeah. Good on to James, say, thanks for calling in, mate,

1395
01:07:54,507 --> 01:07:57,587
Speaker 2: I'm glad you've made your debut. Please call back any time, mate,

1396
01:07:57,867 --> 01:08:01,027
Speaker 2: good to chat to you. The sixty second rule says

1397
01:08:02,267 --> 01:08:04,587
Speaker 2: this text has been around for a few seasons now,

1398
01:08:04,667 --> 01:08:08,107
Speaker 2: all the players know about it. Excuses and the reef

1399
01:08:08,147 --> 01:08:10,347
Speaker 2: had already worn Damien McKenzie about the time. A shot

1400
01:08:10,347 --> 01:08:12,867
Speaker 2: clock on the big screen, though, is absolutely a no brainer.

1401
01:08:13,067 --> 01:08:13,907
Speaker 2: Let's hope that happens.

1402
01:08:14,107 --> 01:08:17,627
Speaker 12: Hey, Greg, good a mate, I think we I'm calling

1403
01:08:17,707 --> 01:08:20,027
Speaker 12: from Crusader Country. We've talked before, Piney.

1404
01:08:20,347 --> 01:08:22,507
Speaker 2: Yes, Greg, good to have you back on the show, mate,

1405
01:08:23,427 --> 01:08:24,067
Speaker 2: But to talk to.

1406
01:08:24,067 --> 01:08:27,147
Speaker 12: You, I think we should be very thankful for the win.

1407
01:08:27,227 --> 01:08:30,507
Speaker 12: It was only a point, but it's the first first

1408
01:08:31,627 --> 01:08:34,227
Speaker 12: test with the new team, and first one for Raises

1409
01:08:34,307 --> 01:08:37,987
Speaker 12: so I was very pleased. I did think I just

1410
01:08:38,067 --> 01:08:42,387
Speaker 12: saying to your reception man, a bit of arrogance out

1411
01:08:42,427 --> 01:08:43,467
Speaker 12: there towards the English.

1412
01:08:43,627 --> 01:08:44,307
Speaker 22: I felt.

1413
01:08:44,347 --> 01:08:47,907
Speaker 12: I didn't like, you know, there was a fore gone conclusion.

1414
01:08:48,067 --> 01:08:50,427
Speaker 12: I thought, you know, these guys are battle hard and

1415
01:08:50,507 --> 01:08:52,987
Speaker 12: have just come through a season and we've got a

1416
01:08:53,067 --> 01:08:57,107
Speaker 12: new combination. It's first up for raises. So I just felt,

1417
01:08:57,227 --> 01:09:01,067
Speaker 12: you know, not some people didn't take them as seriously

1418
01:09:01,107 --> 01:09:02,107
Speaker 12: as what we should have.

1419
01:09:02,587 --> 01:09:04,907
Speaker 2: Absolutely right, absolutely right.

1420
01:09:05,987 --> 01:09:08,427
Speaker 12: It's a point at points the wins a win, and

1421
01:09:08,507 --> 01:09:11,627
Speaker 12: I'm really grateful. I'll get chewed up for one about

1422
01:09:11,627 --> 01:09:15,147
Speaker 12: to say next, But on the Harker, I felt the

1423
01:09:15,267 --> 01:09:18,227
Speaker 12: throat something is just totally unnecessary and I just don't

1424
01:09:18,307 --> 01:09:20,307
Speaker 12: think that's the need for it in this day and age.

1425
01:09:20,827 --> 01:09:22,747
Speaker 12: But if you're going to do that, we've got no

1426
01:09:22,907 --> 01:09:27,747
Speaker 12: cause to complain and whine. If other teams, you know,

1427
01:09:28,267 --> 01:09:29,867
Speaker 12: take it to the all blacks and stick it to

1428
01:09:29,987 --> 01:09:33,067
Speaker 12: the all blacks that they English did during the World

1429
01:09:33,107 --> 01:09:36,547
Speaker 12: Cup semi final when they formed that V formation, and

1430
01:09:37,227 --> 01:09:40,507
Speaker 12: I just think, you know, respects the two way thing,

1431
01:09:41,427 --> 01:09:45,107
Speaker 12: and I just felt it was a bit unnecessary. The

1432
01:09:45,187 --> 01:09:48,187
Speaker 12: other point, upon the mate and I'm not against the harker.

1433
01:09:48,227 --> 01:09:50,747
Speaker 12: I think it's something to be revered and treated with respect.

1434
01:09:51,387 --> 01:09:54,427
Speaker 12: But I think it's overdone a lot of the time,

1435
01:09:54,507 --> 01:09:58,227
Speaker 12: and it's almost been sadly commercialized during to a marketing employer.

1436
01:09:58,307 --> 01:10:02,027
Speaker 12: But that's just a personal view. The other thing is

1437
01:10:02,147 --> 01:10:04,107
Speaker 12: why did people have to do when the English guy

1438
01:10:04,187 --> 01:10:08,667
Speaker 12: took kicks looking for points? I just they have a

1439
01:10:08,747 --> 01:10:11,747
Speaker 12: sign up to respect the kicker, so I don't think

1440
01:10:11,787 --> 01:10:14,107
Speaker 12: there's any need for that bin it's tourist and it's

1441
01:10:14,387 --> 01:10:15,547
Speaker 12: makes us right hacks.

1442
01:10:16,147 --> 01:10:18,747
Speaker 2: What do you think, Greg, You made some good points.

1443
01:10:19,707 --> 01:10:22,627
Speaker 2: I can't unpack them all. I agree with the last bit,

1444
01:10:22,667 --> 01:10:25,267
Speaker 2: but that's a very much a personal thing, and I think,

1445
01:10:25,307 --> 01:10:29,107
Speaker 2: you know, any move to try and stop New Zealand

1446
01:10:29,187 --> 01:10:32,987
Speaker 2: rugby crowds from booing kickers will we'll just it's we're

1447
01:10:33,027 --> 01:10:35,547
Speaker 2: basically pushing it uphill to try and do that. People

1448
01:10:35,627 --> 01:10:38,507
Speaker 2: will always just do it. I agree, I you know,

1449
01:10:38,587 --> 01:10:41,507
Speaker 2: I think it's unnecessary and doesn't paint us in a

1450
01:10:41,587 --> 01:10:43,907
Speaker 2: very good light. If I'm honest, I don't think the

1451
01:10:44,427 --> 01:10:45,827
Speaker 2: I don't want to get into the ins and outs

1452
01:10:45,827 --> 01:10:50,467
Speaker 2: of the hauker today, but yeah, yeah, I don't know.

1453
01:10:50,627 --> 01:10:54,667
Speaker 2: That it has a great impact on the game itself.

1454
01:10:55,547 --> 01:10:58,667
Speaker 2: I like the Haucker, I like the reverence with which

1455
01:10:58,747 --> 01:11:02,867
Speaker 2: it is held, but yeah, I'm not really that keen

1456
01:11:02,907 --> 01:11:05,947
Speaker 2: on getting into it today. The throat slitting, yeah, I

1457
01:11:06,027 --> 01:11:09,907
Speaker 2: could probably do without it. Thanks, Greg, appreciate your call.

1458
01:11:10,187 --> 01:11:12,387
Speaker 2: Twenty one away from two, we'll take a break, come

1459
01:11:12,427 --> 01:11:15,667
Speaker 2: back with James mccony and his regular Sunday slot.

1460
01:11:16,947 --> 01:11:18,027
Speaker 5: You be the TMO.

1461
01:11:18,307 --> 01:11:22,067
Speaker 1: Have your say on eight eighty eighty Weekend Sport with

1462
01:11:22,267 --> 01:11:26,667
Speaker 1: Jason Hin and GJ. Guvnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder,

1463
01:11:26,827 --> 01:11:28,107
Speaker 1: News TALKSB.

1464
01:11:28,387 --> 01:11:31,067
Speaker 2: News Talks NB and Weekend Sports. Seventeen away from two,

1465
01:11:31,267 --> 01:11:33,587
Speaker 2: At around about this time every Sunday afternoon, we get

1466
01:11:33,627 --> 01:11:36,147
Speaker 2: the pleasure of the company of James mcconey, which we

1467
01:11:36,227 --> 01:11:36,747
Speaker 2: do right now.

1468
01:11:36,907 --> 01:11:40,347
Speaker 11: Hello mate, kid, Hey Piney, how are you? What a game?

1469
01:11:40,467 --> 01:11:41,227
Speaker 11: What a big game?

1470
01:11:41,707 --> 01:11:43,947
Speaker 2: I loved it. I loved it, I really did. I.

1471
01:11:45,067 --> 01:11:47,507
Speaker 2: I don't mean to compare, but I watched the Wallabyes

1472
01:11:47,507 --> 01:11:50,507
Speaker 2: Whales game afterwards and that was a bit underwhelming compared

1473
01:11:50,507 --> 01:11:52,027
Speaker 2: to what happened under the roof and Dunedin.

1474
01:11:52,067 --> 01:11:54,867
Speaker 11: For me, yeah, that was lame. It was a proper

1475
01:11:54,947 --> 01:11:58,907
Speaker 11: test metch last night, so enthralling the drama with d MAC.

1476
01:11:59,107 --> 01:12:01,627
Speaker 11: I totally agree with DMAK about a shot clock. There

1477
01:12:01,707 --> 01:12:04,147
Speaker 11: needs to be a shot clock. But also I'm just

1478
01:12:04,267 --> 01:12:07,307
Speaker 11: wondering whether I don't blame him for smiling. I know

1479
01:12:07,387 --> 01:12:10,267
Speaker 11: it's triggering for some people to see in all black smiling,

1480
01:12:10,787 --> 01:12:13,467
Speaker 11: but maybe he can't do a full blown smile. Maybe

1481
01:12:13,547 --> 01:12:15,947
Speaker 11: it needs to be like a Mona Lisa smile, just

1482
01:12:16,027 --> 01:12:17,787
Speaker 11: a smirk, just a little.

1483
01:12:17,947 --> 01:12:19,987
Speaker 2: Just a little grin you got. You would have seen

1484
01:12:20,027 --> 01:12:21,387
Speaker 2: this as well. You would have been at grounds where

1485
01:12:21,427 --> 01:12:24,867
Speaker 2: Damie McKenzie is taking kecks and he's on the big screen.

1486
01:12:25,187 --> 01:12:27,867
Speaker 2: When he smiles, everybody cheers.

1487
01:12:29,547 --> 01:12:32,307
Speaker 11: It's part of his routine. I'm not going to stop him.

1488
01:12:32,307 --> 01:12:34,507
Speaker 11: He's a bloody good goal kicker, although there are a

1489
01:12:34,547 --> 01:12:37,347
Speaker 11: few that were missed last night and also by Marcus Smith.

1490
01:12:37,427 --> 01:12:40,427
Speaker 11: But it does put the pressure on tea delivery. I

1491
01:12:40,507 --> 01:12:42,427
Speaker 11: was thinking, you can't have a prop doing that. It's

1492
01:12:42,467 --> 01:12:44,827
Speaker 11: either going to be Caleb Clarke or a Morning Nadawa,

1493
01:12:45,507 --> 01:12:48,307
Speaker 11: or we just get in someone like you know, Joseph Miller,

1494
01:12:48,347 --> 01:12:51,627
Speaker 11: New Zealand's fartus Man, just as a tea tea boy.

1495
01:12:52,107 --> 01:12:55,747
Speaker 2: Like Idio sign Katia, he could come back from his

1496
01:12:55,867 --> 01:13:00,187
Speaker 2: fledgling NFL career and bestally the tea. So you basically

1497
01:13:00,387 --> 01:13:04,147
Speaker 2: you could put some starting blocks on the sideline and

1498
01:13:04,347 --> 01:13:04,867
Speaker 2: out you go.

1499
01:13:05,787 --> 01:13:09,307
Speaker 11: Yeah, far side of the field. Sideline conversion, I mean,

1500
01:13:09,827 --> 01:13:12,747
Speaker 11: or even any sideline kick. That tea is going to

1501
01:13:12,787 --> 01:13:15,307
Speaker 11: get out there fast. That's that's a seventy meter sprint

1502
01:13:15,387 --> 01:13:18,907
Speaker 11: there and you can't have anybody like lumbering over there.

1503
01:13:19,067 --> 01:13:22,107
Speaker 11: No disrespect to our props, but hey, you know, although

1504
01:13:22,147 --> 01:13:24,787
Speaker 11: to Mysy Williams did look quite quick to the Chiefs,

1505
01:13:24,867 --> 01:13:27,227
Speaker 11: so maybe he could do it. But yeah, maybe maybe

1506
01:13:27,307 --> 01:13:29,067
Speaker 11: any delivery.

1507
01:13:28,707 --> 01:13:31,907
Speaker 2: Is key, Absolutely it is key. Hey, England will be

1508
01:13:33,107 --> 01:13:36,347
Speaker 2: I don't think they'll be necessarily kicking themselves, but they

1509
01:13:37,707 --> 01:13:41,027
Speaker 2: will be thinking about a blown opportunity today, won't they.

1510
01:13:42,467 --> 01:13:45,587
Speaker 11: Absolutely, that's the one that got away. I totally agree

1511
01:13:45,587 --> 01:13:48,147
Speaker 11: with Liam Napier and some of your callers there who

1512
01:13:48,187 --> 01:13:50,867
Speaker 11: were just you know, looking at thinking wow, there was

1513
01:13:51,147 --> 01:13:53,067
Speaker 11: there were moments there and it's still could have right

1514
01:13:53,107 --> 01:13:55,227
Speaker 11: at the end that that penalty could have gone either

1515
01:13:55,347 --> 01:13:59,267
Speaker 11: way right on full time. So England will be gutted.

1516
01:13:59,667 --> 01:14:01,867
Speaker 11: They look like a work in progress as well, I mean,

1517
01:14:01,947 --> 01:14:05,587
Speaker 11: Findaxter looks about twelve years old. The giant chair up

1518
01:14:05,627 --> 01:14:10,867
Speaker 11: who's playing reserve prop for them to see. But they

1519
01:14:11,147 --> 01:14:14,467
Speaker 11: also have people that you know that Dan Cole is

1520
01:14:14,507 --> 01:14:17,947
Speaker 11: thirty seven years old, so they sort of, I guess,

1521
01:14:18,027 --> 01:14:21,067
Speaker 11: trying to shore up that the scrum, and that's I

1522
01:14:21,147 --> 01:14:24,347
Speaker 11: thought where the All Blacks excelled and put pressure on

1523
01:14:24,467 --> 01:14:27,067
Speaker 11: in the last quarter. But up until then, I would

1524
01:14:27,147 --> 01:14:29,587
Speaker 11: say that England looked the better side.

1525
01:14:31,067 --> 01:14:31,787
Speaker 2: Do I agree?

1526
01:14:32,147 --> 01:14:32,507
Speaker 27: I agree?

1527
01:14:32,507 --> 01:14:34,307
Speaker 2: I think, and I think for large parts of the game,

1528
01:14:34,347 --> 01:14:36,227
Speaker 2: if you were going to break it down with you know,

1529
01:14:36,387 --> 01:14:40,067
Speaker 2: forensic deep and forensic detail, I think they probably shagged

1530
01:14:40,147 --> 01:14:43,547
Speaker 2: it in a lot of areas and sixteen fifteen tells

1531
01:14:43,627 --> 01:14:45,827
Speaker 2: the story of that. You know, Marcus Smith, I really

1532
01:14:45,947 --> 01:14:47,427
Speaker 2: like him, by the way. I think he's a really

1533
01:14:47,467 --> 01:14:49,907
Speaker 2: good player. But he missed a couple of shots of

1534
01:14:49,987 --> 01:14:52,707
Speaker 2: goal one in particular, which was fairly handy.

1535
01:14:53,827 --> 01:14:56,587
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, I mean Owen Pharrell would have slotted those.

1536
01:14:56,667 --> 01:14:59,627
Speaker 11: But I like Marcus Smith, and even though Borthwick probably

1537
01:14:59,667 --> 01:15:02,427
Speaker 11: doesn't see him as his number one first five, I

1538
01:15:02,507 --> 01:15:06,827
Speaker 11: think England needs to keep stick with that Mark Smith.

1539
01:15:06,827 --> 01:15:09,867
Speaker 11: I've got to persevere with him because otherwise they go

1540
01:15:09,947 --> 01:15:12,427
Speaker 11: back to boring old England. I don't think that makes

1541
01:15:12,467 --> 01:15:15,987
Speaker 11: them competitive against teams like the All Blacks. So yes

1542
01:15:16,067 --> 01:15:19,027
Speaker 11: to Marcus Smith used to Chamber coming him South who

1543
01:15:19,067 --> 01:15:22,387
Speaker 11: went to Hambleton Boys High and Lincoln University apparently and

1544
01:15:22,787 --> 01:15:26,867
Speaker 11: playing blindside for England. They were exceptional. But in the

1545
01:15:26,947 --> 01:15:29,787
Speaker 11: final quarter I just think the All Blacks bench was

1546
01:15:29,827 --> 01:15:33,747
Speaker 11: a bit stronger. Soft Whale Moor excellent, Boden Barrett really

1547
01:15:33,907 --> 01:15:39,067
Speaker 11: solid and clever, Fletcher Newle as well kept the pressure

1548
01:15:39,107 --> 01:15:42,667
Speaker 11: on in the scrum, and Luke Jacobson. They all studied

1549
01:15:42,667 --> 01:15:45,227
Speaker 11: the ship. Really But we have to be honest as

1550
01:15:45,267 --> 01:15:49,747
Speaker 11: All Blacks fans and media rarely that this is a

1551
01:15:49,827 --> 01:15:52,987
Speaker 11: new era with Razor, we've got to give him time.

1552
01:15:53,427 --> 01:15:56,027
Speaker 11: I don't think we should be concerned if there is

1553
01:15:56,067 --> 01:15:59,307
Speaker 11: a loss against England. But you know, because I was

1554
01:15:59,347 --> 01:16:01,827
Speaker 11: looking thinking, well, the lineouts are shambles, so you've got

1555
01:16:01,907 --> 01:16:04,787
Speaker 11: no metallic or white lock, and then you know the

1556
01:16:04,867 --> 01:16:06,627
Speaker 11: back line was a bit clunky, and of course you're

1557
01:16:06,627 --> 01:16:09,987
Speaker 11: missing Aaron Smith, so and even the defense of Sam Kaine.

1558
01:16:10,027 --> 01:16:12,987
Speaker 11: I think we are missing top players. This is a

1559
01:16:13,107 --> 01:16:13,467
Speaker 11: new era.

1560
01:16:14,427 --> 01:16:17,427
Speaker 2: Speaking of time, are the Warriors running out of it

1561
01:16:17,787 --> 01:16:19,307
Speaker 2: a little bit to make the eight.

1562
01:16:20,907 --> 01:16:25,227
Speaker 11: Do you know what they missed? That was tough yesterday

1563
01:16:25,307 --> 01:16:28,987
Speaker 11: because they they did enough to win, but didn't quite

1564
01:16:29,067 --> 01:16:32,627
Speaker 11: have the finish that they needed. And I'm gud when

1565
01:16:32,627 --> 01:16:34,387
Speaker 11: it comes down to drop goals. You just haven't got

1566
01:16:34,427 --> 01:16:36,827
Speaker 11: one person who spends their whole life and that's all

1567
01:16:36,867 --> 01:16:40,667
Speaker 11: they care about. But I was so excited to see

1568
01:16:41,507 --> 01:16:45,827
Speaker 11: Leka Halasima, the eighteen year old from Tonga, normally a forward,

1569
01:16:45,947 --> 01:16:48,827
Speaker 11: second row sometimes front row, playing in the senders. Did

1570
01:16:48,827 --> 01:16:49,907
Speaker 11: you see him, Pony.

1571
01:16:49,827 --> 01:16:52,187
Speaker 2: I did, I did. I've watched. I didn't watch the

1572
01:16:52,347 --> 01:16:54,107
Speaker 2: entire game. I was getting ready for the rugby, but

1573
01:16:54,267 --> 01:16:56,907
Speaker 2: I've watched some highlights, and yeah, I love it when

1574
01:16:56,947 --> 01:16:58,507
Speaker 2: you see it when you see a guy you've never

1575
01:16:58,587 --> 01:17:00,827
Speaker 2: heard of, really and they seize their chance.

1576
01:17:01,827 --> 01:17:02,027
Speaker 5: I know.

1577
01:17:02,307 --> 01:17:04,987
Speaker 11: And we've been talking about this on your show, Piney,

1578
01:17:05,267 --> 01:17:07,787
Speaker 11: about filling that water in the Warriors, A big line

1579
01:17:07,867 --> 01:17:11,747
Speaker 11: breaking side stepping, attacking threats from anywhere in the field.

1580
01:17:12,187 --> 01:17:15,507
Speaker 11: And when I say you know side stepping as well,

1581
01:17:15,547 --> 01:17:17,747
Speaker 11: I mean like not just a person who can change

1582
01:17:17,827 --> 01:17:20,947
Speaker 11: direction quickly, I mean like he feigned one way, dipped

1583
01:17:20,987 --> 01:17:24,547
Speaker 11: the shoulder basically broke the defender's ankles, as they say,

1584
01:17:24,907 --> 01:17:28,347
Speaker 11: set that bulldog on his bum And I was just like,

1585
01:17:29,027 --> 01:17:31,147
Speaker 11: I'm not proying to going off. I know I am.

1586
01:17:31,267 --> 01:17:32,987
Speaker 11: I am prone to going off at the deep, but

1587
01:17:33,067 --> 01:17:37,107
Speaker 11: I'm saying right now, Piney, a star is born. And

1588
01:17:37,267 --> 01:17:40,707
Speaker 11: to quote Lady Gaga, it's like, tell me, is something?

1589
01:17:41,067 --> 01:17:41,307
Speaker 28: Boy?

1590
01:17:42,027 --> 01:17:46,027
Speaker 11: Are you trying hard to feel that bored? And you

1591
01:17:46,307 --> 01:17:50,867
Speaker 11: war more scored? You're the center we've been looking for.

1592
01:17:52,227 --> 01:17:52,947
Speaker 11: You know what I'm saying.

1593
01:17:53,227 --> 01:17:56,067
Speaker 2: I know I do, And I love the way you've

1594
01:17:56,707 --> 01:18:01,787
Speaker 2: articulated yourself through song. Can I just ask you.

1595
01:18:01,747 --> 01:18:04,067
Speaker 11: About the Europe It's exciting to see.

1596
01:18:05,547 --> 01:18:05,827
Speaker 7: It is.

1597
01:18:07,547 --> 01:18:09,027
Speaker 2: I got up, I set my arm this morning to

1598
01:18:09,067 --> 01:18:11,187
Speaker 2: get up to watch England play Switzerland and the Euros.

1599
01:18:12,347 --> 01:18:15,067
Speaker 2: England won on penalties, which actually hasn't always been the case.

1600
01:18:16,147 --> 01:18:18,667
Speaker 2: That sort of I don't know, almost turned up in

1601
01:18:18,707 --> 01:18:20,947
Speaker 2: the semi finals by accident, haven't they. England.

1602
01:18:21,947 --> 01:18:24,627
Speaker 11: Yeah, this is weird. It's like they've missedter magoo their

1603
01:18:24,707 --> 01:18:28,747
Speaker 11: way through every single phase of play, although there have

1604
01:18:28,867 --> 01:18:33,347
Speaker 11: been moments of brilliance and they really Garriss Southgate owes

1605
01:18:33,387 --> 01:18:35,627
Speaker 11: a lot to Jude Bellingham for the overhead in the

1606
01:18:35,667 --> 01:18:39,227
Speaker 11: previous game, and then the overhead kick, and then now

1607
01:18:39,667 --> 01:18:45,307
Speaker 11: he's got bacay Osaka who's kind of been trying as

1608
01:18:45,427 --> 01:18:47,347
Speaker 11: much as he can to sort of do something with

1609
01:18:47,467 --> 01:18:49,987
Speaker 11: his England team. I saw him make one run and

1610
01:18:50,107 --> 01:18:53,067
Speaker 11: crossed it into the area and Harry Kane was nowhere

1611
01:18:53,107 --> 01:18:54,867
Speaker 11: to be seen. Did you see that, Pony I did?

1612
01:18:56,107 --> 01:18:57,067
Speaker 8: That is weird to me.

1613
01:18:57,547 --> 01:18:59,987
Speaker 11: There's something wrong with this England team. But they are

1614
01:18:59,987 --> 01:19:03,107
Speaker 11: in the Semis. They're going to play the Dutch, and

1615
01:19:03,187 --> 01:19:05,627
Speaker 11: they're probably lucky that they are playing them because I

1616
01:19:05,747 --> 01:19:10,147
Speaker 11: think look really good. Yeah, they're a little bit annoying

1617
01:19:10,187 --> 01:19:12,427
Speaker 11: and they dive all over the place, but so does everybody.

1618
01:19:13,867 --> 01:19:17,147
Speaker 11: My big issue though is yellow cards, and I mentioned

1619
01:19:17,187 --> 01:19:20,267
Speaker 11: it last week. Yellow cards are still a problem, Piny.

1620
01:19:20,627 --> 01:19:24,107
Speaker 11: Don't you think the incorrect yellow cards is what I'm

1621
01:19:24,107 --> 01:19:24,547
Speaker 11: talking about?

1622
01:19:24,787 --> 01:19:24,947
Speaker 5: Right?

1623
01:19:25,027 --> 01:19:27,987
Speaker 2: I was ruondering what the other part about it is.

1624
01:19:28,027 --> 01:19:30,587
Speaker 2: That is the accumulation of yellow cards which leads to

1625
01:19:30,707 --> 01:19:34,387
Speaker 2: a ban. And yeah, if you get a couple in

1626
01:19:34,467 --> 01:19:36,587
Speaker 2: the EU eyes I think that because normally they wipe

1627
01:19:36,627 --> 01:19:39,347
Speaker 2: the slate clean after the after the group stages. Just okay,

1628
01:19:39,387 --> 01:19:40,867
Speaker 2: you can get two in the group stages, but then

1629
01:19:41,147 --> 01:19:43,187
Speaker 2: everyone goes back to zero in the knockout stages. I

1630
01:19:43,307 --> 01:19:46,587
Speaker 2: think they've included the quarter finals and the accumulation of

1631
01:19:46,667 --> 01:19:49,667
Speaker 2: yellow cards at the Euros exactly.

1632
01:19:49,787 --> 01:19:52,707
Speaker 11: So I saw another shocking one the other day. A

1633
01:19:53,747 --> 01:19:58,427
Speaker 11: tackle on Embarpe, Portuguese player, perfectly legitimate, clean tackle, got

1634
01:19:58,467 --> 01:20:01,387
Speaker 11: the ball only no studs up, no nothing, pretty much

1635
01:20:01,467 --> 01:20:03,867
Speaker 11: balls on the floor, so it was his foot. There

1636
01:20:03,947 --> 01:20:06,107
Speaker 11: was a yellow card and he was going to miss

1637
01:20:06,187 --> 01:20:09,787
Speaker 11: the next game if Portugal had gone through. And you're

1638
01:20:09,827 --> 01:20:12,747
Speaker 11: not allowed to appeal yellow cards. So there's a mess

1639
01:20:12,787 --> 01:20:15,027
Speaker 11: of problem in football at the moment with the adjudicating it.

1640
01:20:15,147 --> 01:20:18,027
Speaker 11: Even under the VAR, it feels like they're getting way

1641
01:20:18,147 --> 01:20:21,107
Speaker 11: more stuff wrong than they used to. So there was

1642
01:20:21,147 --> 01:20:24,187
Speaker 11: a handball in the Spain Germany game that I'm sure

1643
01:20:24,227 --> 01:20:26,907
Speaker 11: I've seen that kind of handball. This is a shot

1644
01:20:26,987 --> 01:20:29,147
Speaker 11: on target, by the way, not just out in the

1645
01:20:29,267 --> 01:20:32,107
Speaker 11: far reaches of the of the penalty box, a shot

1646
01:20:32,147 --> 01:20:34,347
Speaker 11: on target. Spanish guy has his hand in the way

1647
01:20:34,867 --> 01:20:37,707
Speaker 11: and there's no penalty. That didn't even go to VAR.

1648
01:20:37,827 --> 01:20:38,627
Speaker 11: I don't think ye.

1649
01:20:38,707 --> 01:20:40,747
Speaker 2: I saw that one too. I saw that one too. Yeah,

1650
01:20:40,827 --> 01:20:44,427
Speaker 2: it's the inconsistency, the inconsistency is what is most frustrating.

1651
01:20:44,867 --> 01:20:48,187
Speaker 2: I think in the Euros, whoever wins the Spain France

1652
01:20:48,227 --> 01:20:51,907
Speaker 2: semi final probably wins it. I mean, yes, England, could

1653
01:20:51,987 --> 01:20:54,827
Speaker 2: you know, mister Magoo their way to it. As you say,

1654
01:20:55,107 --> 01:20:57,467
Speaker 2: the Netherlands on their day can can do things. But

1655
01:20:58,187 --> 01:21:00,587
Speaker 2: I just think Spain, well, I actually think Spain will

1656
01:21:00,587 --> 01:21:02,827
Speaker 2: win it. But whoever wins Spain France I think wins it.

1657
01:21:03,707 --> 01:21:06,627
Speaker 11: Yeah, I totally agree with you, mate, And France looking

1658
01:21:06,827 --> 01:21:09,027
Speaker 11: quite dodgy and is it a case when you know

1659
01:21:09,147 --> 01:21:11,627
Speaker 11: you've probably got extra time that you hold back your

1660
01:21:11,667 --> 01:21:15,307
Speaker 11: stars and Embarbe looks uncomfortable in his mask. I just

1661
01:21:15,387 --> 01:21:17,547
Speaker 11: let him start on the bench and give him the

1662
01:21:17,627 --> 01:21:20,747
Speaker 11: final hour rather than the first hour if you're assuming

1663
01:21:20,787 --> 01:21:22,867
Speaker 11: it's going to go the extra time. And I'd even

1664
01:21:22,907 --> 01:21:25,027
Speaker 11: say the same with Griesman. The team looks better with

1665
01:21:25,147 --> 01:21:28,267
Speaker 11: him out there, but then he can only really last

1666
01:21:28,707 --> 01:21:32,067
Speaker 11: an hour in those conditions. So anyway, it's something for

1667
01:21:32,547 --> 01:21:35,067
Speaker 11: Dave shamp to think about. But also just as well,

1668
01:21:35,067 --> 01:21:37,307
Speaker 11: I think it's great let's applaud Razor for his first

1669
01:21:37,387 --> 01:21:40,707
Speaker 11: win and just say the Blues WhatsApp group they would

1670
01:21:40,707 --> 01:21:42,387
Speaker 11: have been it would have been pinging off last night

1671
01:21:42,427 --> 01:21:45,187
Speaker 11: when the All Blacks are in trouble with support for Hoskins,

1672
01:21:45,547 --> 01:21:48,787
Speaker 11: and I'm sure someone probably added Razor into the group

1673
01:21:48,867 --> 01:21:51,947
Speaker 11: chat there for a bit, you know, just to troll them.

1674
01:21:51,987 --> 01:21:54,427
Speaker 11: But now they can they can calm down for another week.

1675
01:21:54,827 --> 01:21:57,627
Speaker 2: Good man, and we'll chat to you in a week

1676
01:21:57,907 --> 01:22:00,547
Speaker 2: from today as well. James always love chatting to you, mate.

1677
01:22:00,587 --> 01:22:03,507
Speaker 2: James mcconey big part of our Sunday afternoons here on

1678
01:22:03,587 --> 01:22:06,067
Speaker 2: Weekend Sport, follow him on socials, listen to him in

1679
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Speaker 2: the Alternative Commentary Collective and across the crowd goes wild

1680
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Speaker 2: as well. It is seven to two News talksipp.

1681
01:22:13,827 --> 01:22:16,427
Speaker 1: The Schoon from the track Field and the Court on

1682
01:22:16,587 --> 01:22:20,027
Speaker 1: your home of Sport Weekend Sport with Jason Vine.

1683
01:22:20,187 --> 01:22:20,987
Speaker 5: News Talks in B.

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Speaker 2: Three and a half away from two will Change Tech

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Speaker 2: After two. Thank you for all your texts. I as

1686
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Speaker 2: I often say, we can't read them all out, but

1687
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Speaker 2: we do read them all and we really appreciate you

1688
01:22:31,467 --> 01:22:34,947
Speaker 2: taking the time to articulate your thoughts. After two, our

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Speaker 2: Road to Paris feature continues Athens Gold Medalist and the

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Speaker 2: triathlon Hamish Kater.

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Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

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Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vine on your home of Sport

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Speaker 28: A b.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome back into the show. It's coming up

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Speaker 2: seven past two. I'm Jason Pine Andy McDonald alongside. This

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Speaker 2: is Weekend Sport from Dunedin, Sunday, July seven another and

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Speaker 2: then we'll hand it over to Tim Beverage for the

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Speaker 2: Weekend Collective our Road to Paris feature. We've really loved

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01:23:12,947 --> 01:23:17,227
Speaker 2: bringing you these wanders down memory lane remembering some of

1702
01:23:17,307 --> 01:23:21,707
Speaker 2: the great Olympic moments of years gone by. Hamish Carter

1703
01:23:21,947 --> 01:23:23,987
Speaker 2: is the owner of a gold medal that he won

1704
01:23:24,067 --> 01:23:27,307
Speaker 2: in triathlon in two thousand and four. A pretty special

1705
01:23:27,387 --> 01:23:29,947
Speaker 2: race that one. Because Bevan Doherty, a fellow key, we

1706
01:23:30,307 --> 01:23:32,467
Speaker 2: picked up the silver medal. The two of them stride

1707
01:23:32,507 --> 01:23:35,547
Speaker 2: for stride for long parts of the run at the

1708
01:23:35,627 --> 01:23:38,427
Speaker 2: end of the triathlon before Hamish Carter pulled away and

1709
01:23:38,627 --> 01:23:42,307
Speaker 2: won by a few seconds. He's with us shortly to

1710
01:23:42,707 --> 01:23:44,827
Speaker 2: reminis a little bit about that and what chance does

1711
01:23:44,867 --> 01:23:48,947
Speaker 2: he give Hayden Wilde of emulating him when Paris rolls

1712
01:23:48,987 --> 01:23:52,587
Speaker 2: around in the men's triathlon. The Melbourne Cup is in

1713
01:23:52,667 --> 01:23:55,827
Speaker 2: New Zealand, it's on tour and the keeper of the

1714
01:23:55,907 --> 01:23:58,387
Speaker 2: Cup is a man by the name of Joe McGrath

1715
01:23:58,547 --> 01:24:02,187
Speaker 2: who is in charge of this very precious piece of cargo.

1716
01:24:02,547 --> 01:24:04,187
Speaker 2: He's going to pop into the studio to join us

1717
01:24:04,347 --> 01:24:07,067
Speaker 2: this hour as well, and we'll mop up remaining All

1718
01:24:07,107 --> 01:24:10,187
Speaker 2: Blacks chat, including a few of the comments from Scott

1719
01:24:10,267 --> 01:24:13,427
Speaker 2: robertson the day after he's fronted media this morning with

1720
01:24:13,467 --> 01:24:16,467
Speaker 2: a few thoughts on various matters. You can get in

1721
01:24:16,547 --> 01:24:19,227
Speaker 2: touch whenever you like via text nine two ninety two

1722
01:24:19,747 --> 01:24:22,747
Speaker 2: or on the phone, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1723
01:24:23,547 --> 01:24:25,667
Speaker 2: But as we always do it around about this time

1724
01:24:26,107 --> 01:24:28,267
Speaker 2: on weekend sport, we like to bring you up to date,

1725
01:24:28,347 --> 01:24:30,427
Speaker 2: but the things that you might have missed, and we're

1726
01:24:30,467 --> 01:24:33,507
Speaker 2: focused almost exclusively on the All Blacks today on the show,

1727
01:24:33,667 --> 01:24:36,027
Speaker 2: so we want to make sure that you know there

1728
01:24:36,107 --> 01:24:38,427
Speaker 2: was other sport happening in the last little while, starting

1729
01:24:38,507 --> 01:24:40,907
Speaker 2: in the NRL, and we did touch on it with

1730
01:24:41,227 --> 01:24:45,587
Speaker 2: James mcconey. Heartbreak for the Warriors last night. Did they

1731
01:24:45,667 --> 01:24:46,107
Speaker 2: go early?

1732
01:24:46,227 --> 01:24:53,387
Speaker 27: They will twice said one way, love the pain, lose.

1733
01:24:54,947 --> 01:24:59,347
Speaker 4: Every post as a winner for Dundy Button.

1734
01:25:00,187 --> 01:25:04,627
Speaker 29: Chattafrey are an absolute miracle at the moment.

1735
01:25:05,227 --> 01:25:09,067
Speaker 2: Yeah, golden point lost for the Warriors. The Storm meantime

1736
01:25:09,227 --> 01:25:13,187
Speaker 2: got the expected result against the Lowly Tigers. The bet'll

1737
01:25:13,307 --> 01:25:19,307
Speaker 2: jewess here tonight as the siren sounds and Melbourne twelve

1738
01:25:19,467 --> 01:25:24,107
Speaker 2: point winners forty points to twenty eight. They've taken down

1739
01:25:24,147 --> 01:25:27,987
Speaker 2: the Tigers and Manly got out a jarl against the Cowboys.

1740
01:25:28,707 --> 01:25:34,067
Speaker 29: Here it comes Terry Evans for thirty he has Here's

1741
01:25:34,227 --> 01:25:35,867
Speaker 29: the greatest, here's.

1742
01:25:35,707 --> 01:25:38,587
Speaker 27: The best golden point closuring the game.

1743
01:25:39,107 --> 01:25:43,387
Speaker 4: It's daily Terrans, the seventh time he has won a

1744
01:25:43,507 --> 01:25:44,387
Speaker 4: game for Male.

1745
01:25:44,827 --> 01:25:47,667
Speaker 2: After the eighty minute back here they won. At twenty

1746
01:25:47,747 --> 01:25:51,427
Speaker 2: one twenty the Sea Eagles over the Cowboys to rugby union.

1747
01:25:51,547 --> 01:25:54,947
Speaker 2: The Wallabies have started the Joe Schmidt era with a

1748
01:25:54,987 --> 01:25:59,947
Speaker 2: win over Wales. Tom right right cuts crossfield right dunnis

1749
01:26:00,307 --> 01:26:01,507
Speaker 2: and goes straight through.

1750
01:26:01,627 --> 01:26:03,747
Speaker 5: I think you'd be quick enough to get.

1751
01:26:03,667 --> 01:26:04,187
Speaker 27: On the line.

1752
01:26:05,307 --> 01:26:13,027
Speaker 2: Jo twenty five sixteen Australia over Wales. Japan with an

1753
01:26:13,227 --> 01:26:14,587
Speaker 2: historic rugby result.

1754
01:26:14,947 --> 01:26:21,227
Speaker 7: Has pence an excellent rugby structured haven't overplayed their hand and.

1755
01:26:21,347 --> 01:26:26,947
Speaker 29: Now is the moment for Japan rugby a special night

1756
01:26:27,667 --> 01:26:29,507
Speaker 29: at Toyota Stadium.

1757
01:26:30,587 --> 01:26:31,587
Speaker 2: For the first time.

1758
01:26:31,907 --> 01:26:33,667
Speaker 5: They have beaten the Marii.

1759
01:26:33,467 --> 01:26:37,507
Speaker 2: Or Blacks by twenty six points to fourteen and South

1760
01:26:37,587 --> 01:26:39,547
Speaker 2: Africa too strong for Ireland.

1761
01:26:41,627 --> 01:26:45,187
Speaker 30: Put the knock on cords. Haven't heard this Island against

1762
01:26:45,227 --> 01:26:50,187
Speaker 30: that time of Yes, it is South Africa. I have

1763
01:26:50,347 --> 01:26:52,947
Speaker 30: done it after la Yes, they had.

1764
01:26:52,867 --> 01:26:53,707
Speaker 5: A victory.

1765
01:26:54,867 --> 01:26:58,707
Speaker 2: Against Lands twenty seven to twenty the spring box winning

1766
01:26:58,747 --> 01:27:02,267
Speaker 2: that one in France continue their golden era with a

1767
01:27:02,307 --> 01:27:04,067
Speaker 2: win over Argentina.

1768
01:27:04,387 --> 01:27:08,627
Speaker 30: Knocked into touch by a French side which deserves to

1769
01:27:08,787 --> 01:27:10,307
Speaker 30: celebrate a quality.

1770
01:27:10,027 --> 01:27:14,227
Speaker 1: Victory here in Mendoza by twenty eight points to thirteen.

1771
01:27:15,307 --> 01:27:18,187
Speaker 2: Let's go to the round ball and the Euro's. England

1772
01:27:18,347 --> 01:27:19,867
Speaker 2: are through to the semifinals.

1773
01:27:20,147 --> 01:27:22,907
Speaker 5: Just and England.

1774
01:27:23,507 --> 01:27:29,427
Speaker 2: Ireland to the semifinals. Alexander Arnold with an arrow.

1775
01:27:29,507 --> 01:27:31,827
Speaker 5: Into the natswer and.

1776
01:27:31,987 --> 01:27:35,227
Speaker 2: Having fit on the cusp of coming out, England have

1777
01:27:35,387 --> 01:27:38,907
Speaker 2: rescued themselves again. Yeah, I've won it on penalties after

1778
01:27:38,947 --> 01:27:41,387
Speaker 2: it was one all, after full time and extra time.

1779
01:27:41,547 --> 01:27:44,427
Speaker 2: They'll faced the Netherlands who had to come from behind

1780
01:27:44,467 --> 01:27:47,867
Speaker 2: to beat Turkey Simons dog Fries.

1781
01:27:49,507 --> 01:27:50,587
Speaker 5: It's small home.

1782
01:27:51,387 --> 01:27:54,627
Speaker 2: I'm from behind the Netherlands.

1783
01:27:54,747 --> 01:27:57,707
Speaker 27: Lean Coding got Cole right.

1784
01:27:57,627 --> 01:27:58,267
Speaker 7: On the line.

1785
01:27:59,147 --> 01:28:02,587
Speaker 2: Let's go to our under seventeen basketballers who found the

1786
01:28:02,707 --> 01:28:06,587
Speaker 2: going just a bit too tough against the United States overnight.

1787
01:28:07,147 --> 01:28:08,307
Speaker 5: As the USC.

1788
01:28:10,347 --> 01:28:13,907
Speaker 1: Deal with New Zealand like they have dealt with all

1789
01:28:13,947 --> 01:28:15,427
Speaker 1: the other members of this competition.

1790
01:28:16,347 --> 01:28:19,027
Speaker 5: Sixty five to one hundred of forty five.

1791
01:28:19,827 --> 01:28:22,827
Speaker 2: Yeah, a disappointing result for New Zealand, but they still

1792
01:28:22,827 --> 01:28:25,227
Speaker 2: get to play off the third against Turkey. To sports

1793
01:28:25,307 --> 01:28:29,347
Speaker 2: with wheels involved, Biiam Gurmet doubled his career to a

1794
01:28:29,387 --> 01:28:30,547
Speaker 2: the front stage wins.

1795
01:28:30,907 --> 01:28:34,387
Speaker 29: Now they really start to kick for the finish forty four.

1796
01:28:34,307 --> 01:28:35,267
Speaker 5: Kilometers an hour.

1797
01:28:35,587 --> 01:28:38,227
Speaker 27: It's a sheer power uphill sprint for the finish.

1798
01:28:38,507 --> 01:28:41,027
Speaker 5: It's gonna be bidim Gami.

1799
01:28:41,907 --> 01:28:44,387
Speaker 10: Two stage wins for the Green Jersey in the.

1800
01:28:44,507 --> 01:28:49,987
Speaker 2: Tour, it's all Britton. At the uk GP qualifiers, George.

1801
01:28:49,747 --> 01:28:52,187
Speaker 6: Russell snatches Poe from Lewis Hamilton.

1802
01:28:52,547 --> 01:28:55,387
Speaker 5: Can Norris do anything about pits he has pitted.

1803
01:28:55,747 --> 01:28:59,827
Speaker 7: It's a Mercedes one two on the gred of Silverstone.

1804
01:29:00,187 --> 01:29:01,867
Speaker 5: It's a British one two.

1805
01:29:01,867 --> 01:29:04,027
Speaker 7: Three for the first time ever.

1806
01:29:04,747 --> 01:29:08,147
Speaker 2: And finally the guers ain't Van Gisberg and he must

1807
01:29:08,347 --> 01:29:10,507
Speaker 2: really love Chicago now.

1808
01:29:11,027 --> 01:29:13,467
Speaker 26: He was a maverick coming in and it's very difficult

1809
01:29:13,547 --> 01:29:17,267
Speaker 26: to be able to perform with that much pressure. But

1810
01:29:17,307 --> 01:29:20,227
Speaker 26: I'm guessing that Auckland, New Zealand is his favorite city.

1811
01:29:20,427 --> 01:29:23,027
Speaker 26: But number two on the list has to be Chicago.

1812
01:29:23,667 --> 01:29:26,427
Speaker 26: She Ben Gibsbergen is gonna do it again.

1813
01:29:26,827 --> 01:29:32,067
Speaker 27: He went to Chicago there on Newsyland in the home straight,

1814
01:29:32,187 --> 01:29:34,387
Speaker 27: Head Gone old.

1815
01:29:34,787 --> 01:29:35,747
Speaker 5: Jeewe's have won.

1816
01:29:35,707 --> 01:29:36,147
Speaker 27: At all.

1817
01:29:40,027 --> 01:29:43,387
Speaker 5: Weekends for Road to Paris twenty twenty four.

1818
01:29:44,267 --> 01:29:47,187
Speaker 2: And Paris is coming into sight only a couple of

1819
01:29:47,227 --> 01:29:51,067
Speaker 2: weeks before the Olympic Games get underway in Paris, and

1820
01:29:51,627 --> 01:29:54,187
Speaker 2: in the last few weeks we've been, I guess walking

1821
01:29:54,267 --> 01:29:56,507
Speaker 2: the Road to Paris, but really looking back at some

1822
01:29:56,627 --> 01:30:00,787
Speaker 2: of the best ever Olympic results by New Zealanders. Our

1823
01:30:00,867 --> 01:30:04,987
Speaker 2: best ever Olympic triathlon result came in two thousand and

1824
01:30:05,147 --> 01:30:06,267
Speaker 2: four in Ethens.

1825
01:30:06,907 --> 01:30:09,787
Speaker 29: He's kicking clear of Bevan Dougherty in Away he goes

1826
01:30:09,827 --> 01:30:13,587
Speaker 29: Hamers Carter back, he comes onto the blue carpet. They

1827
01:30:13,587 --> 01:30:15,747
Speaker 29: won't catch Hamers Carter now, and I don't think.

1828
01:30:15,627 --> 01:30:17,907
Speaker 2: They'll catch Bevan Dougherty down.

1829
01:30:17,987 --> 01:30:21,067
Speaker 29: He comes Hams Carter about to win the gold medal

1830
01:30:21,107 --> 01:30:26,347
Speaker 29: and the men's triathan across the finish line try for

1831
01:30:26,507 --> 01:30:29,627
Speaker 29: New Zealand's fist gold.

1832
01:30:29,467 --> 01:30:30,547
Speaker 2: Medal for Hamos Carter.

1833
01:30:31,347 --> 01:30:34,747
Speaker 5: It hasn't finished yet. Silver medal for New Zealand one

1834
01:30:34,907 --> 01:30:35,467
Speaker 5: and two.

1835
01:30:35,467 --> 01:30:38,387
Speaker 2: In the men's try. In one of our most iconic

1836
01:30:38,467 --> 01:30:41,787
Speaker 2: sporting moments, two Kiwi's battled out for gold and silver

1837
01:30:42,307 --> 01:30:45,627
Speaker 2: in the men's triathlon, Hamish Carter crossing in one hour

1838
01:30:45,707 --> 01:30:48,947
Speaker 2: fifty one minute, seven point seven to three seconds, Bevan

1839
01:30:49,027 --> 01:30:52,507
Speaker 2: Dougherty just eight seconds behind. It was New Zealand's first

1840
01:30:52,627 --> 01:30:56,987
Speaker 2: and so far only gold medal in Olympic triathlon. Hamish

1841
01:30:57,067 --> 01:30:59,747
Speaker 2: Carter went on to place sixth at the two thousand

1842
01:30:59,787 --> 01:31:04,027
Speaker 2: and six Melbourne Commonwealth Games, having won Commonwealth Games bronze

1843
01:31:04,347 --> 01:31:07,387
Speaker 2: in Manchester in two thousand and two. He was second

1844
01:31:07,427 --> 01:31:11,747
Speaker 2: at the six World Championships behind Britain Tim Donn, who

1845
01:31:11,907 --> 01:31:14,947
Speaker 2: was suspended shortly after that for missing three out of

1846
01:31:15,067 --> 01:31:18,787
Speaker 2: competition drug tests. In October of two thousand and six,

1847
01:31:19,067 --> 01:31:23,427
Speaker 2: Hamish Carter won the ex Terror World Championship in Mali, Hawaii,

1848
01:31:23,787 --> 01:31:27,467
Speaker 2: beating a field of more experienced off road triathletes. In

1849
01:31:27,627 --> 01:31:30,947
Speaker 2: March of two thousand and seven, he announced his retirement.

1850
01:31:31,267 --> 01:31:33,067
Speaker 2: He won the Sportsman of the Year award in two

1851
01:31:33,107 --> 01:31:35,987
Speaker 2: thousand and four and was named an Officer of the

1852
01:31:36,027 --> 01:31:38,547
Speaker 2: New Zealand Order of Merit in the two thousand and

1853
01:31:38,707 --> 01:31:42,547
Speaker 2: five New Year's Honors. Hamish Carter is with us on

1854
01:31:42,707 --> 01:31:47,667
Speaker 2: Weekend Sport. Hard to believe it's been twenty years, Hamish, Hey.

1855
01:31:47,627 --> 01:31:52,827
Speaker 6: Yeah, funny, it feels like in a lifetime ago that

1856
01:31:54,147 --> 01:31:58,907
Speaker 6: popping up and it's a great memory. But yeah, I've

1857
01:31:58,907 --> 01:32:01,907
Speaker 6: definitely move danced in those times. But it was a

1858
01:32:01,947 --> 01:32:03,387
Speaker 6: pretty awesome period of my life.

1859
01:32:03,747 --> 01:32:05,467
Speaker 2: Well, I want to go straight to that race for

1860
01:32:05,587 --> 01:32:09,147
Speaker 2: Golden athen You were thirty third after the swim. You

1861
01:32:09,307 --> 01:32:12,267
Speaker 2: moved up into a leading group of six after the bike.

1862
01:32:12,707 --> 01:32:14,107
Speaker 2: Can you pick it up for us At the start

1863
01:32:14,147 --> 01:32:17,587
Speaker 2: of the run, Yeah.

1864
01:32:17,587 --> 01:32:21,587
Speaker 6: It was a pretty hot day and I was definitely

1865
01:32:21,587 --> 01:32:26,027
Speaker 6: feeling good. I prepared really well and when we come

1866
01:32:26,067 --> 01:32:29,787
Speaker 6: off the bike, we we we set off pretty fast

1867
01:32:29,867 --> 01:32:33,987
Speaker 6: and quickly. There was about three of us that formed

1868
01:32:34,027 --> 01:32:38,227
Speaker 6: at the front and it was funny because you know,

1869
01:32:38,307 --> 01:32:42,867
Speaker 6: at that point it felt like we started to get

1870
01:32:42,907 --> 01:32:46,787
Speaker 6: control of the race, but there was also that nagging

1871
01:32:47,427 --> 01:32:53,547
Speaker 6: scense that you know had been there, had the rest

1872
01:32:53,587 --> 01:32:55,347
Speaker 6: of the world behind me, but I had another new

1873
01:32:55,467 --> 01:32:56,267
Speaker 6: yonder beside me.

1874
01:32:56,547 --> 01:32:58,107
Speaker 22: So it was.

1875
01:32:59,827 --> 01:33:02,707
Speaker 6: And look, Vivi and I, you know, Devin came along

1876
01:33:02,827 --> 01:33:06,187
Speaker 6: later in my career, and it was a really important

1877
01:33:06,947 --> 01:33:10,467
Speaker 6: to push me, you know, further, because I didn't want

1878
01:33:10,547 --> 01:33:14,107
Speaker 6: him to be me. And so the rivalry was a

1879
01:33:14,667 --> 01:33:18,347
Speaker 6: really really powerful component I think of both of our success.

1880
01:33:18,507 --> 01:33:21,907
Speaker 6: And then Vivian had won the World Chance that year

1881
01:33:22,027 --> 01:33:26,147
Speaker 6: in two thousand and four, so I was I was

1882
01:33:26,267 --> 01:33:29,427
Speaker 6: pretty desperate to make sure it shouldn't be me. And

1883
01:33:29,507 --> 01:33:32,547
Speaker 6: then the process, we'd done the damage on the rest

1884
01:33:32,547 --> 01:33:35,427
Speaker 6: of the field. So and yeah, the run was. We

1885
01:33:35,507 --> 01:33:37,587
Speaker 6: stayed together for quite a long the run until eight

1886
01:33:37,667 --> 01:33:41,187
Speaker 6: hundred meters to go, and then we started to throw

1887
01:33:41,307 --> 01:33:45,307
Speaker 6: a few attacks, went down and I managed to roll

1888
01:33:45,387 --> 01:33:46,907
Speaker 6: over the top of him and get a gap, and

1889
01:33:46,987 --> 01:33:47,467
Speaker 6: off I went.

1890
01:33:48,587 --> 01:33:51,867
Speaker 2: What gave you that edge? What gave you that ability

1891
01:33:52,027 --> 01:33:54,587
Speaker 2: to to with eight hundred meters left and what was

1892
01:33:54,627 --> 01:33:58,267
Speaker 2: already a grueling race in the heat, Where did you

1893
01:33:58,387 --> 01:34:00,667
Speaker 2: find the ability to kick from there?

1894
01:34:03,107 --> 01:34:08,147
Speaker 6: I think the main the main part of that was

1895
01:34:08,907 --> 01:34:13,867
Speaker 6: my preparation had been really good and so you know,

1896
01:34:14,067 --> 01:34:17,667
Speaker 6: I'd practice not that scenario.

1897
01:34:17,387 --> 01:34:17,467
Speaker 1: But.

1898
01:34:18,947 --> 01:34:22,067
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd really looked after myself and conserve my energy

1899
01:34:22,107 --> 01:34:25,347
Speaker 6: throughout the race, and I'd been well acclimatized to the heat.

1900
01:34:26,147 --> 01:34:30,307
Speaker 6: But I think being more mature, I'd separated my performance

1901
01:34:30,387 --> 01:34:33,227
Speaker 6: from the emotion that can take over. So it's quite

1902
01:34:33,267 --> 01:34:37,707
Speaker 6: a clinical delivery, and I kind of think it's you know,

1903
01:34:38,027 --> 01:34:40,107
Speaker 6: it took me a long time, but I understood the

1904
01:34:40,227 --> 01:34:42,067
Speaker 6: event I was in and what it took to win,

1905
01:34:42,987 --> 01:34:46,187
Speaker 6: and I'd practiced, you know, delivering that sort of performance,

1906
01:34:46,267 --> 01:34:50,467
Speaker 6: and so it was it was quite a natural. It

1907
01:34:50,547 --> 01:34:53,507
Speaker 6: is a natural thing. It wasn't that incredible. It was

1908
01:34:53,587 --> 01:34:57,147
Speaker 6: just what I trained to do. So yeah, I think

1909
01:34:57,187 --> 01:34:58,707
Speaker 6: that that was key to my success.

1910
01:34:59,667 --> 01:35:01,947
Speaker 2: I've watch the closing stages of the race and the

1911
01:35:02,027 --> 01:35:05,267
Speaker 2: lead up to chatting to you, and you look so

1912
01:35:05,467 --> 01:35:08,587
Speaker 2: much in control once you get the break on Bevan Dougherty.

1913
01:35:09,147 --> 01:35:11,027
Speaker 2: Is that the way it felt once you'd open up

1914
01:35:11,067 --> 01:35:13,627
Speaker 2: that that five or six second gap on him? Did

1915
01:35:13,667 --> 01:35:14,587
Speaker 2: you know you had it one?

1916
01:35:16,267 --> 01:35:16,507
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1917
01:35:16,747 --> 01:35:21,347
Speaker 6: No, Because it's funnily enough, it wasn't actually about winning

1918
01:35:21,427 --> 01:35:21,827
Speaker 6: the race.

1919
01:35:23,467 --> 01:35:23,947
Speaker 18: I was.

1920
01:35:24,427 --> 01:35:27,827
Speaker 6: My goal in that race was to produce a really

1921
01:35:27,867 --> 01:35:31,187
Speaker 6: good performance. Like because of suddenly I didn't feel like

1922
01:35:31,307 --> 01:35:34,987
Speaker 6: I delivered what I was capable of. So I wanted

1923
01:35:35,027 --> 01:35:38,627
Speaker 6: to meet my own expectations, which was pretty high. But

1924
01:35:39,667 --> 01:35:43,067
Speaker 6: and so I kind of reveled in that challenge as

1925
01:35:43,187 --> 01:35:46,067
Speaker 6: to how fast can I run? And it's yeah, considering

1926
01:35:46,107 --> 01:35:49,227
Speaker 6: how tired I feel and how hot it is, And

1927
01:35:49,467 --> 01:35:52,707
Speaker 6: so it was a real technical delivery of my performance

1928
01:35:52,787 --> 01:35:57,627
Speaker 6: and trying to get control of the race. Yeah, Bevan's

1929
01:35:57,667 --> 01:36:01,507
Speaker 6: a phenomenal competitor, so he he might be down and

1930
01:36:01,547 --> 01:36:03,427
Speaker 6: you might get a gap, but he'll come back and

1931
01:36:03,547 --> 01:36:07,787
Speaker 6: get you. So I had to be sure that he

1932
01:36:07,987 --> 01:36:08,947
Speaker 6: wasn't going to come back.

1933
01:36:10,627 --> 01:36:13,147
Speaker 2: You mentioned Sydney. There home if she'd been to the

1934
01:36:13,187 --> 01:36:15,787
Speaker 2: Sydney Olympics in two thousand, you were ranked number one

1935
01:36:15,827 --> 01:36:18,387
Speaker 2: in the world. It didn't go to plan. You finished

1936
01:36:18,707 --> 01:36:23,627
Speaker 2: twenty sixth in Sydney. What happened in Sydney, Oh a lot.

1937
01:36:23,747 --> 01:36:27,547
Speaker 6: I think I wasn't. I didn't really understand the event

1938
01:36:27,627 --> 01:36:29,947
Speaker 6: I was racing, even though I was world number one,

1939
01:36:30,027 --> 01:36:34,627
Speaker 6: and you think you'd understand it, right, But as an athlete,

1940
01:36:34,827 --> 01:36:42,147
Speaker 6: I needed that event or disappointment to happen. It made

1941
01:36:42,187 --> 01:36:44,347
Speaker 6: me rethink everything I was doing, even the sort of

1942
01:36:44,387 --> 01:36:47,947
Speaker 6: person I was, So I did have to reassess everything.

1943
01:36:48,467 --> 01:36:51,867
Speaker 6: And it was kind of a shock that I needed

1944
01:36:53,067 --> 01:36:56,707
Speaker 6: because I was good, but I wasn't ready for that

1945
01:36:57,107 --> 01:37:00,267
Speaker 6: big race in the environment of the Olympic, which is

1946
01:37:00,307 --> 01:37:05,467
Speaker 6: pretty unique and everything that comes with it. So it

1947
01:37:05,627 --> 01:37:09,027
Speaker 6: was a blessing and like I would never have achieved

1948
01:37:09,107 --> 01:37:12,027
Speaker 6: in essence if Sydney hadn't happened like it did. And

1949
01:37:12,707 --> 01:37:16,827
Speaker 6: it's painful, right, but necessary. And I guess you know,

1950
01:37:17,067 --> 01:37:21,587
Speaker 6: I learned a lot about performance through that experience, because oh,

1951
01:37:22,027 --> 01:37:24,827
Speaker 6: I just came to realize that win. Thing wasn't about

1952
01:37:25,107 --> 01:37:28,067
Speaker 6: the winning. It's actually what you do when you when

1953
01:37:28,107 --> 01:37:31,547
Speaker 6: you completely stuff things up and how you respond. I

1954
01:37:31,627 --> 01:37:34,227
Speaker 6: think that's far more powerful than winning a race.

1955
01:37:35,347 --> 01:37:35,587
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1956
01:37:36,827 --> 01:37:40,547
Speaker 6: So yeah, it was just I somehow turned into my

1957
01:37:40,587 --> 01:37:43,667
Speaker 6: advantage and so that was a really important part I

1958
01:37:43,707 --> 01:37:44,347
Speaker 6: had to be able to do.

1959
01:37:44,987 --> 01:37:47,547
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that shows an enormous amount of

1960
01:37:48,387 --> 01:37:51,347
Speaker 2: an ability to self reflect because you know, as you say,

1961
01:37:51,427 --> 01:37:53,707
Speaker 2: you went into two into two thousand, I'm sure with

1962
01:37:54,347 --> 01:37:59,187
Speaker 2: very high hopes which weren't weren't realized. You know, they

1963
01:37:59,187 --> 01:38:00,467
Speaker 2: say you've got to lose one to win one, and

1964
01:38:00,547 --> 01:38:03,387
Speaker 2: you certainly did that. But what's there a point after

1965
01:38:03,467 --> 01:38:05,907
Speaker 2: Sydney where you thought, you know what, I'm I'm not

1966
01:38:05,947 --> 01:38:08,547
Speaker 2: going to get on or were you always going to

1967
01:38:08,627 --> 01:38:08,987
Speaker 2: carry on?

1968
01:38:10,347 --> 01:38:12,347
Speaker 6: Yeah, I definitely had a year. I didn't want to

1969
01:38:12,427 --> 01:38:16,267
Speaker 6: go back because it was such an awful feeling. But

1970
01:38:16,387 --> 01:38:18,587
Speaker 6: you know, you've got to have really good people around you.

1971
01:38:18,667 --> 01:38:21,787
Speaker 6: I had a fantastic coach that brought me through to

1972
01:38:22,067 --> 01:38:25,827
Speaker 6: me with Dat Rolston taught me so much and then

1973
01:38:25,987 --> 01:38:29,227
Speaker 6: I started working with Chris Plain And a big thing

1974
01:38:29,307 --> 01:38:32,227
Speaker 6: that Chris did was when I got back from Sydney,

1975
01:38:32,267 --> 01:38:34,467
Speaker 6: I had every excuse under the book wide and won,

1976
01:38:35,587 --> 01:38:39,587
Speaker 6: but he was he was strong enough to sort of

1977
01:38:40,027 --> 01:38:42,507
Speaker 6: just turn to me and say, the only reason you

1978
01:38:42,547 --> 01:38:46,867
Speaker 6: didn't win is you were good enough. And that sounds

1979
01:38:46,947 --> 01:38:50,627
Speaker 6: like a simple statement, but it forces you to face

1980
01:38:50,827 --> 01:38:53,267
Speaker 6: what you don't want to and you've got to grow

1981
01:38:53,347 --> 01:38:56,627
Speaker 6: from that. And so you know, the role that Chris

1982
01:38:56,747 --> 01:39:00,707
Speaker 6: played and my coach Mike Boone, you know these sort

1983
01:39:00,707 --> 01:39:04,827
Speaker 6: of people and Mercy wife, they all played a massive

1984
01:39:04,907 --> 01:39:08,987
Speaker 6: role in help me, helping I had to learn from it,

1985
01:39:09,147 --> 01:39:12,867
Speaker 6: but also, you know, to face something that was really painful.

1986
01:39:13,067 --> 01:39:17,667
Speaker 6: And anyhow, it's a republic, right, so you it's not

1987
01:39:17,747 --> 01:39:20,587
Speaker 6: a great feeling, but it's necessary sometimes and you've got.

1988
01:39:20,587 --> 01:39:23,347
Speaker 2: To go through it absolutely well. It obviously did the

1989
01:39:23,427 --> 01:39:25,907
Speaker 2: trick when it came to Athens taking it back home.

1990
01:39:25,947 --> 01:39:28,787
Speaker 2: If you were a rower at school, how and why

1991
01:39:28,907 --> 01:39:31,067
Speaker 2: did you transition into triathlon.

1992
01:39:33,147 --> 01:39:38,187
Speaker 6: I know, I think it wasn't by design, but I look,

1993
01:39:38,267 --> 01:39:41,147
Speaker 6: I just I wanted to represent New zeal on that

1994
01:39:41,547 --> 01:39:44,467
Speaker 6: highest level and I thought I could do it in rowing.

1995
01:39:44,507 --> 01:39:46,987
Speaker 6: And then I realized when I left school that role

1996
01:39:47,147 --> 01:39:51,667
Speaker 6: was a massive and I wasn't And I was like,

1997
01:39:52,347 --> 01:39:53,867
Speaker 6: I was like, you've got to be king. I've got

1998
01:39:53,947 --> 01:39:56,187
Speaker 6: to find a sport where I can be good. And

1999
01:39:56,947 --> 01:39:59,547
Speaker 6: you know, at the time, we had some you know,

2000
01:39:59,707 --> 01:40:04,627
Speaker 6: world class athletes, Rick Wells and Aaron Baker, and there

2001
01:40:04,707 --> 01:40:06,747
Speaker 6: was a sport that was new but will have just

2002
01:40:06,907 --> 01:40:09,467
Speaker 6: the world and I mean it's crazy, right like a

2003
01:40:09,507 --> 01:40:12,547
Speaker 6: small patch in like New Zealand, we have these athletes

2004
01:40:12,587 --> 01:40:16,187
Speaker 6: who are just the best, and so it's quite aspirational

2005
01:40:17,067 --> 01:40:19,947
Speaker 6: as a sport that if you like, okay, if that's

2006
01:40:20,107 --> 01:40:21,867
Speaker 6: if you can do it, I want to do that too.

2007
01:40:23,507 --> 01:40:27,547
Speaker 2: And you got very good, very quickly. Was it just

2008
01:40:27,627 --> 01:40:30,307
Speaker 2: something that you talked to or did you like of

2009
01:40:30,387 --> 01:40:32,827
Speaker 2: the three things. Were you already a good runner, a

2010
01:40:32,907 --> 01:40:34,907
Speaker 2: good swimmer and a good cyclist or did you have

2011
01:40:34,987 --> 01:40:37,067
Speaker 2: to work hard at one or more of them?

2012
01:40:38,667 --> 01:40:41,267
Speaker 6: I think I was just lucky to get some really

2013
01:40:41,307 --> 01:40:45,627
Speaker 6: great coaching early on. I'd learned so much from rowing

2014
01:40:45,707 --> 01:40:49,107
Speaker 6: about what it took to be to work hard and

2015
01:40:49,907 --> 01:40:55,467
Speaker 6: to overcome setbacks and to suffer and and you know,

2016
01:40:55,747 --> 01:40:58,507
Speaker 6: trying to recover and stuff like that. So, yeah, all

2017
01:40:58,547 --> 01:41:01,147
Speaker 6: the bowling box are there. I mean, anyone who rode

2018
01:41:01,187 --> 01:41:04,587
Speaker 6: it Maddy Cup, it's probably done a couple of lumpacs.

2019
01:41:04,627 --> 01:41:06,827
Speaker 6: And the fort five years I've been at it's it's

2020
01:41:06,827 --> 01:41:08,747
Speaker 6: a ridiculous sport. It's so intense to.

2021
01:41:08,827 --> 01:41:09,347
Speaker 20: Be fair, but.

2022
01:41:11,347 --> 01:41:15,147
Speaker 6: It's a fast track to Yeah that, And so I

2023
01:41:15,307 --> 01:41:17,587
Speaker 6: just lead a lot from sending my time there.

2024
01:41:18,307 --> 01:41:19,027
Speaker 8: I was always a.

2025
01:41:21,347 --> 01:41:24,067
Speaker 6: I had access to, as I said, the good coaches

2026
01:41:24,187 --> 01:41:26,787
Speaker 6: and and all. That makes a mass of difference.

2027
01:41:27,947 --> 01:41:30,347
Speaker 2: What was your favorite and least favorite of the three?

2028
01:41:32,667 --> 01:41:35,267
Speaker 6: The problem is try some is the three disciplines tag

2029
01:41:35,387 --> 01:41:39,507
Speaker 6: pull in different directions, and well, actually, nowadays affects are

2030
01:41:39,547 --> 01:41:41,747
Speaker 6: so good that I have a weakness, which is pretty

2031
01:41:41,787 --> 01:41:44,667
Speaker 6: cool to watch. But when when I was racing, if

2032
01:41:44,707 --> 01:41:49,147
Speaker 6: we swim really fast, you generally ran like durably if

2033
01:41:49,227 --> 01:41:51,907
Speaker 6: you if you're running really well, you couldn't film that well.

2034
01:41:51,907 --> 01:41:55,187
Speaker 6: And then if you're good on a bike, you know,

2035
01:41:55,587 --> 01:41:59,107
Speaker 6: good sitelists can't run off of them. So it was

2036
01:41:59,147 --> 01:42:00,907
Speaker 6: a tug of war. I got to find a balance

2037
01:42:00,947 --> 01:42:03,347
Speaker 6: and figure out what's the right next and how do

2038
01:42:03,467 --> 01:42:06,707
Speaker 6: I prepare myself that some of the performance that gonna

2039
01:42:06,787 --> 01:42:11,227
Speaker 6: win the race. And so again my coaches worked hard

2040
01:42:11,307 --> 01:42:15,107
Speaker 6: to try and figure that puzzle out. And so we

2041
01:42:15,227 --> 01:42:18,067
Speaker 6: swam badly in Athens, but we It was a calculator

2042
01:42:18,147 --> 01:42:21,387
Speaker 6: risk because I sort of felt it would be a

2043
01:42:21,467 --> 01:42:23,587
Speaker 6: tough ride, but then the run was going to be

2044
01:42:23,627 --> 01:42:26,027
Speaker 6: a war of attrition and that was that suited me.

2045
01:42:26,187 --> 01:42:28,267
Speaker 10: So we got it right.

2046
01:42:28,707 --> 01:42:29,147
Speaker 11: It was great.

2047
01:42:29,187 --> 01:42:30,547
Speaker 6: It was a riskue but it worked out.

2048
01:42:30,747 --> 01:42:31,067
Speaker 18: It did.

2049
01:42:31,467 --> 01:42:33,627
Speaker 2: What's it like standing up on top of that podium

2050
01:42:34,267 --> 01:42:36,107
Speaker 2: and hearing the national anthem play?

2051
01:42:37,427 --> 01:42:43,347
Speaker 6: Oh, it's special, Like you just can't describe it. It's

2052
01:42:43,427 --> 01:42:47,707
Speaker 6: a moment in time and it's forever. So I mean

2053
01:42:47,787 --> 01:42:51,307
Speaker 6: mostly I think when you're from New Zealand, you do

2054
01:42:51,427 --> 01:42:53,227
Speaker 6: feel the whole country is behind you, which is good

2055
01:42:53,267 --> 01:42:58,307
Speaker 6: and bad, and you know that everyone takes so much

2056
01:42:58,467 --> 01:43:01,867
Speaker 6: from when we are successful. You know, the whole country

2057
01:43:02,027 --> 01:43:04,987
Speaker 6: gets behind that late even when we're six and all

2058
01:43:05,027 --> 01:43:09,027
Speaker 6: the things like music and business and the arts and sport.

2059
01:43:09,667 --> 01:43:12,787
Speaker 6: We have so much success across every genre. And how

2060
01:43:12,867 --> 01:43:15,587
Speaker 6: cool is that when an he's yonder does that sort

2061
01:43:15,587 --> 01:43:18,587
Speaker 6: of wins and goes out there and beats the outs.

2062
01:43:18,667 --> 01:43:20,787
Speaker 6: And I think we're always trying to do that, and

2063
01:43:20,827 --> 01:43:23,867
Speaker 6: it's kind of in our DNA, and so I think

2064
01:43:23,947 --> 01:43:26,307
Speaker 6: be part of that, and people take so much joy

2065
01:43:26,387 --> 01:43:29,187
Speaker 6: from it. It's a it's a beautiful thing. I mean

2066
01:43:29,787 --> 01:43:32,587
Speaker 6: it's brutal and it's hard, and there's a lot of disappointment,

2067
01:43:32,707 --> 01:43:33,907
Speaker 6: but it's worth the risk.

2068
01:43:34,907 --> 01:43:37,667
Speaker 2: How do you, says heiden Wald's chances of emulating you

2069
01:43:37,787 --> 01:43:38,267
Speaker 2: in Paris?

2070
01:43:39,987 --> 01:43:45,947
Speaker 6: Ah, I think Hayden, It's what I did with irrelevant

2071
01:43:46,027 --> 01:43:51,027
Speaker 6: Hayden right. Firstly, Secondly, Hayden's an incredible athlete, you know,

2072
01:43:51,587 --> 01:43:54,747
Speaker 6: a lot better than I was, and he has worked

2073
01:43:54,747 --> 01:43:58,987
Speaker 6: incredibly hard. He's got a great team around him, has

2074
01:43:59,027 --> 01:44:02,427
Speaker 6: every chance to but yeah, I just I don't want

2075
01:44:02,467 --> 01:44:04,027
Speaker 6: to put any pressure on him. I just think he

2076
01:44:04,747 --> 01:44:06,787
Speaker 6: he's amazing and I just want to watch him go

2077
01:44:06,907 --> 01:44:11,187
Speaker 6: there and deliver his this performance and anythings possible because

2078
01:44:11,227 --> 01:44:14,347
Speaker 6: he's he's done it all. Like what he can do

2079
01:44:14,427 --> 01:44:17,467
Speaker 6: in a race is incredible. So now I wish him

2080
01:44:17,547 --> 01:44:19,267
Speaker 6: and the whole team with a lot of success because

2081
01:44:19,267 --> 01:44:20,787
Speaker 6: I know how hard it all worked.

2082
01:44:21,387 --> 01:44:23,907
Speaker 2: Just to finish. Same question I've asked all of our

2083
01:44:23,947 --> 01:44:26,507
Speaker 2: guests on this feature, where is your gold medal?

2084
01:44:28,707 --> 01:44:31,347
Speaker 6: Like I think most gold medals, it's a soft draw

2085
01:44:31,427 --> 01:44:35,347
Speaker 6: in a little oak leaves sunglass bag and it comes

2086
01:44:35,387 --> 01:44:40,427
Speaker 6: out and people I haven't look at it. Yeah, yeah,

2087
01:44:40,547 --> 01:44:43,667
Speaker 6: I think you should actually save the whole country or not.

2088
01:44:43,787 --> 01:44:45,707
Speaker 6: Sorry everyone has got one and say where is it?

2089
01:44:45,827 --> 01:44:49,587
Speaker 6: Because yeah, they always tend enough for the same places

2090
01:44:49,707 --> 01:44:50,867
Speaker 6: as that word, but they.

2091
01:44:50,867 --> 01:44:53,347
Speaker 2: Just do well that it's so odd you say that.

2092
01:44:53,467 --> 01:44:55,107
Speaker 2: I think you're about the eighth or ninth guest I've

2093
01:44:55,107 --> 01:44:56,787
Speaker 2: had on the s feet chair and everybody you said

2094
01:44:56,827 --> 01:44:59,307
Speaker 2: exactly the same thing. Some of them they have to

2095
01:44:59,347 --> 01:45:01,067
Speaker 2: think a little bit about it. But you're right, it's

2096
01:45:01,107 --> 01:45:03,547
Speaker 2: in a socdraw or somewhere, or it's out the back,

2097
01:45:04,027 --> 01:45:06,267
Speaker 2: or it's you know, it's somewhere that's it's not certainly

2098
01:45:06,427 --> 01:45:08,227
Speaker 2: the first thing you see when you walk in that

2099
01:45:08,387 --> 01:45:11,427
Speaker 2: person's front door. It's not displayed prominently, which I think

2100
01:45:11,467 --> 01:45:13,987
Speaker 2: is very key. We and I think it's really cool

2101
01:45:14,027 --> 01:45:16,667
Speaker 2: that that that it's very understated as it is in

2102
01:45:16,747 --> 01:45:17,227
Speaker 2: your case.

2103
01:45:17,427 --> 01:45:20,507
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's so key. We a that kind of

2104
01:45:20,547 --> 01:45:22,507
Speaker 6: holds it back a little bit. We should celebrate our

2105
01:45:22,547 --> 01:45:24,467
Speaker 6: success more, but it's who we.

2106
01:45:24,507 --> 01:45:28,587
Speaker 2: Are, so you know, Sealovi indeed indeed, Well, it's been

2107
01:45:28,587 --> 01:45:31,347
Speaker 2: great to celebrate a bit and reminis a bit with you. Hamish. Congratulations,

2108
01:45:31,387 --> 01:45:33,467
Speaker 2: I'm bringing us so much joy twenty years ago in

2109
01:45:33,587 --> 01:45:36,707
Speaker 2: Athens and for taking a wander down memory laid on

2110
01:45:36,747 --> 01:45:38,707
Speaker 2: our road to Paris today. Really appreciate your time.

2111
01:45:39,427 --> 01:45:41,267
Speaker 6: Yeah, no way, thanks again, jeez.

2112
01:45:41,307 --> 01:45:43,387
Speaker 2: No, thank you, Hamish. Hamish card of there the latest

2113
01:45:43,427 --> 01:45:46,827
Speaker 2: guest on our road to Paris, which is quickly coming

2114
01:45:46,867 --> 01:45:48,867
Speaker 2: to an end. I think we'll have two more guests,

2115
01:45:48,907 --> 01:45:51,387
Speaker 2: I would say, on the road to Paris. The Olympics

2116
01:45:51,427 --> 01:45:53,987
Speaker 2: themselves underway on about what the twenty fifth, twenty sixth

2117
01:45:54,027 --> 01:45:57,747
Speaker 2: of July, So two more sundays when we'll chat with

2118
01:45:57,867 --> 01:46:01,227
Speaker 2: two more of our great Olympians and celebrate their success,

2119
01:46:01,307 --> 01:46:04,027
Speaker 2: and then we'll look forward to Paris twenty twenty four.

2120
01:46:04,347 --> 01:46:07,267
Speaker 2: And I guess the magical mode that will be created,

2121
01:46:07,347 --> 01:46:11,147
Speaker 2: we hope by our athletes at the Paris Olympic Games

2122
01:46:11,467 --> 01:46:16,147
Speaker 2: in terms of coverage of those games. Incidentally, we're a

2123
01:46:16,267 --> 01:46:18,227
Speaker 2: radio partner here at News Talks. He'd be of the

2124
01:46:18,307 --> 01:46:22,707
Speaker 2: Olympics and in particular our sister station Gold Sport will

2125
01:46:22,787 --> 01:46:26,507
Speaker 2: have through the night commentary of the Paris Olympic Games

2126
01:46:27,067 --> 01:46:30,187
Speaker 2: right through the fourteen to fifteen to sixteen days of competition.

2127
01:46:30,307 --> 01:46:32,947
Speaker 2: Not exactly sure how many days there are, but however

2128
01:46:33,027 --> 01:46:36,027
Speaker 2: many there are, we will be providing you with through

2129
01:46:36,147 --> 01:46:39,227
Speaker 2: the night, wall to wall commentary of not only the

2130
01:46:39,307 --> 01:46:42,667
Speaker 2: New Zealand athletes taking part in Paris, but the other

2131
01:46:43,107 --> 01:46:46,467
Speaker 2: notable events as well. So if you're an insomniac or

2132
01:46:46,547 --> 01:46:48,827
Speaker 2: you just love your sport, then you've got a treat

2133
01:46:48,867 --> 01:46:52,187
Speaker 2: coming up. When the Paris Olympic Games roll around half

2134
01:46:52,267 --> 01:46:55,027
Speaker 2: past two, we'll take a break and then the Keeper

2135
01:46:55,507 --> 01:46:58,667
Speaker 2: of the Cup, the Melbourne Cup, that is it is

2136
01:46:58,747 --> 01:47:01,787
Speaker 2: on tour in New Zealand, escorted by the Keeper of

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01:47:01,867 --> 01:47:04,747
Speaker 2: the Cup. His name is Joe mcgrah. He's in studio

2138
01:47:04,867 --> 01:47:05,387
Speaker 2: right after.

2139
01:47:05,267 --> 01:47:09,267
Speaker 1: This some more than just a game weekends for it

2140
01:47:09,547 --> 01:47:11,227
Speaker 1: with Jason Vine and TJ.

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01:47:11,427 --> 01:47:13,987
Speaker 5: Gardnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted.

2142
01:47:13,707 --> 01:47:16,987
Speaker 2: Home builder news Dogs be coming up twenty six away

2143
01:47:17,067 --> 01:47:20,747
Speaker 2: from three. The Melbourne Cup, one of world sports most

2144
01:47:21,027 --> 01:47:24,427
Speaker 2: iconic trophies, is on tour in New Zealand under the

2145
01:47:24,467 --> 01:47:28,307
Speaker 2: watchful eye of Joe mcgrah who was keeper of the Cup.

2146
01:47:28,707 --> 01:47:32,307
Speaker 2: Joe has responsibility for the eighteen carrot Gold seven hundred

2147
01:47:32,307 --> 01:47:36,227
Speaker 2: and fifty thousand Australian dollar Melbourne Cup trophy whenever it

2148
01:47:36,347 --> 01:47:38,227
Speaker 2: goes on to it. He's the first person to hold

2149
01:47:38,267 --> 01:47:40,867
Speaker 2: this role and has been doing it since the tour

2150
01:47:40,947 --> 01:47:44,107
Speaker 2: started with the Melbourne Cup back in two thousand and three.

2151
01:47:44,227 --> 01:47:46,587
Speaker 2: He stopped into the studio. Good to see you, Joe.

2152
01:47:46,667 --> 01:47:47,707
Speaker 2: How did you get the job?

2153
01:47:49,147 --> 01:47:54,187
Speaker 28: Well, Ponty probably lucky in many ways and a few

2154
01:47:54,267 --> 01:47:57,387
Speaker 28: fortunate things happened, and someone actually said, we're going to

2155
01:47:57,467 --> 01:48:00,507
Speaker 28: take the trophy on the road, would you like to

2156
01:48:00,547 --> 01:48:03,147
Speaker 28: have a chat about it on the road. So I

2157
01:48:03,267 --> 01:48:05,747
Speaker 28: did that back in two thousand and three Makaibe divers

2158
01:48:05,827 --> 01:48:11,067
Speaker 28: first and Cup and it was a resounding success. And

2159
01:48:12,067 --> 01:48:15,987
Speaker 28: since then I've managed the event and look, it's been

2160
01:48:16,027 --> 01:48:17,627
Speaker 28: a labor of love if you want to call it that,

2161
01:48:19,107 --> 01:48:21,707
Speaker 28: and you know, really privileged to hold the role.

2162
01:48:21,987 --> 01:48:24,107
Speaker 2: I want to talk a bit about traveling with such

2163
01:48:24,147 --> 01:48:28,907
Speaker 2: a you know, a prestigious and valuable piece of cargo.

2164
01:48:29,107 --> 01:48:32,587
Speaker 2: But does your association with racing go back? All we wait,

2165
01:48:33,547 --> 01:48:34,147
Speaker 2: Yes it does.

2166
01:48:34,587 --> 01:48:41,507
Speaker 28: My family book making horse breeding media even got a

2167
01:48:41,587 --> 01:48:45,547
Speaker 28: nephew who's now training at the moment. So yeah, Look,

2168
01:48:45,587 --> 01:48:47,107
Speaker 28: I grew up with it, and I was the youngest

2169
01:48:47,147 --> 01:48:50,347
Speaker 28: of seven, and I had a brother, have a brother, Jim,

2170
01:48:50,387 --> 01:48:53,907
Speaker 28: who was a race caller in Europe, and pretty much

2171
01:48:53,987 --> 01:48:58,747
Speaker 28: grew up with you know, form guides and hearing the

2172
01:48:58,827 --> 01:49:01,907
Speaker 28: breakfast shows on a Saturday morning in the kitchen. And

2173
01:49:02,027 --> 01:49:05,907
Speaker 28: I sort of thought everyone lived this lifestyle, I thought

2174
01:49:06,987 --> 01:49:08,947
Speaker 28: until I went over to a few friends at school

2175
01:49:09,027 --> 01:49:10,907
Speaker 28: and realized that none of them turned on to the

2176
01:49:10,947 --> 01:49:14,947
Speaker 28: same thing. So yeah, I suppose it's from you know,

2177
01:49:15,067 --> 01:49:18,507
Speaker 28: just being brought up with it. And yet we had

2178
01:49:18,547 --> 01:49:20,907
Speaker 28: a bit of success with horse breeding. And I suppose

2179
01:49:21,107 --> 01:49:23,467
Speaker 28: my family had a runner in the nineteen sixty seven

2180
01:49:23,547 --> 01:49:26,307
Speaker 28: Melbourne Cup, which led about one hundred and fifty meters

2181
01:49:26,347 --> 01:49:30,867
Speaker 28: from the post Piny and came from dun Eden, was

2182
01:49:30,907 --> 01:49:36,107
Speaker 28: bred in dun Eden down that way, and the Diddams

2183
01:49:36,387 --> 01:49:39,427
Speaker 28: bred the horse, and yeah, you know it was amazing.

2184
01:49:39,627 --> 01:49:41,347
Speaker 28: She was a mayor that went on to stud and

2185
01:49:41,547 --> 01:49:44,387
Speaker 28: was a great producer. And I think that's where it

2186
01:49:44,507 --> 01:49:46,587
Speaker 28: bit me at about the age of twelve or thirteen,

2187
01:49:46,627 --> 01:49:48,827
Speaker 28: and I haven't been able to shake it since.

2188
01:49:49,347 --> 01:49:51,347
Speaker 2: Well, you sound like the perfect demand to be the

2189
01:49:51,427 --> 01:49:55,827
Speaker 2: keeper of the cup. Interested in how the Melbourne Cup travels,

2190
01:49:56,147 --> 01:49:59,987
Speaker 2: what special requirements are there, what special measures are in

2191
01:50:00,107 --> 01:50:03,427
Speaker 2: place to assure that, as I said before, precious piece

2192
01:50:03,467 --> 01:50:04,907
Speaker 2: of cargo is okay.

2193
01:50:05,627 --> 01:50:08,067
Speaker 28: Well, I was supposed to the you know, the obvious

2194
01:50:08,107 --> 01:50:11,467
Speaker 28: one would be to have security where we're doing public

2195
01:50:11,507 --> 01:50:14,387
Speaker 28: events and making sure that it's safe and looked after.

2196
01:50:15,027 --> 01:50:17,987
Speaker 28: But I suppose you know the flip side of all

2197
01:50:18,067 --> 01:50:20,827
Speaker 28: that traveling it around, it's trying to be as nondescript

2198
01:50:20,867 --> 01:50:24,987
Speaker 28: as you can be, don't draw any attention to yourself.

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01:50:25,667 --> 01:50:28,627
Speaker 28: It does need its own paperwork as it goes out

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01:50:28,707 --> 01:50:32,027
Speaker 28: of the country, so call it a passport which needs

2201
01:50:32,107 --> 01:50:34,747
Speaker 28: to go through all the authorities and get stamped and

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01:50:35,187 --> 01:50:37,147
Speaker 28: stamped on the way out, stamped on the way back in.

2203
01:50:38,387 --> 01:50:41,107
Speaker 28: So I think you know they're they're the sort of protocols,

2204
01:50:41,667 --> 01:50:45,267
Speaker 28: but certainly you know wearing the gloves is a key

2205
01:50:45,387 --> 01:50:48,667
Speaker 28: moment you know, key protocol as well in terms of

2206
01:50:48,787 --> 01:50:51,987
Speaker 28: protecting the gold, because I mean, it is eighteen carrot gold,

2207
01:50:52,867 --> 01:50:54,387
Speaker 28: and you know, you sort of got to remind yourself

2208
01:50:54,427 --> 01:50:57,667
Speaker 28: it's the most precious metal on the planet and it's

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01:50:57,747 --> 01:51:01,107
Speaker 28: gone through the roof and now the trophies with eight

2210
01:51:01,227 --> 01:51:04,827
Speaker 28: hundred and forty thousand New Zealand dollars, so you know,

2211
01:51:04,867 --> 01:51:08,267
Speaker 28: you've got to make sure remind yourself just to keep

2212
01:51:08,347 --> 01:51:09,187
Speaker 28: it in good order.

2213
01:51:09,707 --> 01:51:11,627
Speaker 2: See you don't carry it onto the plane, though, do

2214
01:51:11,707 --> 01:51:13,787
Speaker 2: you It goes in the in the hold, does it?

2215
01:51:14,267 --> 01:51:17,667
Speaker 2: You know what are you not allowed to say? Are

2216
01:51:17,667 --> 01:51:18,427
Speaker 2: you not allowed to say?

2217
01:51:18,507 --> 01:51:19,147
Speaker 7: No? No, no, no.

2218
01:51:19,267 --> 01:51:21,227
Speaker 28: I would never do that. I'd never put it down

2219
01:51:21,267 --> 01:51:21,587
Speaker 28: the hold.

2220
01:51:21,667 --> 01:51:22,067
Speaker 6: I don't think.

2221
01:51:22,707 --> 01:51:25,547
Speaker 28: I don't know if you've traveled lately, but your luggage

2222
01:51:25,547 --> 01:51:27,307
Speaker 28: could end up over the other side of the world.

2223
01:51:27,427 --> 01:51:30,147
Speaker 28: So I don't know how i'd be about a Melbourne

2224
01:51:30,147 --> 01:51:31,587
Speaker 28: cup going down the back of the plane.

2225
01:51:31,667 --> 01:51:32,467
Speaker 26: So we do.

2226
01:51:32,907 --> 01:51:36,387
Speaker 28: We're fortunate that it is the size that it is.

2227
01:51:36,467 --> 01:51:41,587
Speaker 28: It's thirty eight centimeters tall, pretty compact, and it can

2228
01:51:41,747 --> 01:51:45,987
Speaker 28: travel as over head luggage and right a weighs three

2229
01:51:46,027 --> 01:51:50,107
Speaker 28: point eight five kilos, so all those you know, specifications

2230
01:51:50,187 --> 01:51:53,587
Speaker 28: sort of fit in the with the airlines in taking

2231
01:51:53,627 --> 01:51:56,507
Speaker 28: over head luggage. So let's just say we know where

2232
01:51:56,547 --> 01:51:59,227
Speaker 28: it is at all times, and it's not far from

2233
01:51:59,307 --> 01:52:00,707
Speaker 28: us as we travel.

2234
01:52:00,827 --> 01:52:02,587
Speaker 2: I feel like it should have its own seat, But

2235
01:52:02,667 --> 01:52:05,227
Speaker 2: then again, that would probably draw attention to it, wouldn't it.

2236
01:52:05,267 --> 01:52:07,147
Speaker 2: As you say, you've got to almost want it to be,

2237
01:52:07,587 --> 01:52:10,667
Speaker 2: you know, a little bit nondescript. Sorry about all the

2238
01:52:10,667 --> 01:52:12,307
Speaker 2: travel questions, But do you put it through that? You

2239
01:52:12,387 --> 01:52:15,067
Speaker 2: know we have to put our bags through the scanner

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01:52:15,227 --> 01:52:18,827
Speaker 2: as we go through. Surely it gets an exemption from that.

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01:52:19,947 --> 01:52:22,187
Speaker 28: No, you just put it through the You just I

2242
01:52:22,227 --> 01:52:25,747
Speaker 28: always love to see the security people that because they

2243
01:52:25,867 --> 01:52:27,587
Speaker 28: see a lot of different items come through and then

2244
01:52:27,587 --> 01:52:29,907
Speaker 28: when they see it, they stop and then they look

2245
01:52:29,947 --> 01:52:32,027
Speaker 28: at it. And then it's got a three D sort

2246
01:52:32,067 --> 01:52:35,107
Speaker 28: of scanner that can go all different angles, and then they.

2247
01:52:35,107 --> 01:52:38,147
Speaker 2: Look at you and go, yep, it is.

2248
01:52:38,267 --> 01:52:41,227
Speaker 28: And you know, most are just intrigued as to what

2249
01:52:41,347 --> 01:52:44,227
Speaker 28: the trophy represents. And you know, because some parts of

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01:52:44,227 --> 01:52:46,227
Speaker 28: the world they've never heard of it or never heard

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01:52:46,307 --> 01:52:49,427
Speaker 28: of you know, there may not be into horse racing necessarily,

2252
01:52:49,507 --> 01:52:53,387
Speaker 28: and but other places they just sail on through and

2253
01:52:53,907 --> 01:52:56,667
Speaker 28: next you know, it's it's sort of how it goes.

2254
01:52:56,747 --> 01:53:00,387
Speaker 28: But now look at it. You know, we always, you know,

2255
01:53:00,907 --> 01:53:03,347
Speaker 28: look after it and make sure that it's it's safe

2256
01:53:03,387 --> 01:53:05,467
Speaker 28: as we travel, and the easiest way to do that

2257
01:53:05,627 --> 01:53:06,307
Speaker 28: is make sure it's.

2258
01:53:06,507 --> 01:53:09,147
Speaker 2: You absolutely well, we all know it's the race that

2259
01:53:09,227 --> 01:53:11,627
Speaker 2: stops not just your nation but ours as well, the

2260
01:53:11,747 --> 01:53:13,987
Speaker 2: race that stops two nations. Why do you think, Joe,

2261
01:53:14,067 --> 01:53:18,267
Speaker 2: the Melbourne Cup is still so special, still so iconic

2262
01:53:18,347 --> 01:53:20,947
Speaker 2: and a very crowded sporting landscape.

2263
01:53:20,987 --> 01:53:24,787
Speaker 28: Now, well, I think it's you know, horse racing goes

2264
01:53:24,827 --> 01:53:28,027
Speaker 28: back a long way in both Australia and New Zealand,

2265
01:53:28,107 --> 01:53:31,587
Speaker 28: and you know the first New Zealand bred horse goes

2266
01:53:31,627 --> 01:53:34,587
Speaker 28: back to eighteen eighty three with Martini Henry, and there's

2267
01:53:34,667 --> 01:53:37,107
Speaker 28: forty four New Zealand bred horses that have won the race.

2268
01:53:38,347 --> 01:53:40,267
Speaker 28: And you know you put in a few icons in

2269
01:53:40,347 --> 01:53:43,747
Speaker 28: there as like Farlap in nineteen thirty and Carbine and

2270
01:53:44,107 --> 01:53:47,307
Speaker 28: eighteen ninety. You know, there's there's strong history and I think,

2271
01:53:48,187 --> 01:53:50,867
Speaker 28: you know, I personally think from an Australian perspective, there's

2272
01:53:51,707 --> 01:53:54,787
Speaker 28: certain things that you know part of your cultural identity

2273
01:53:55,867 --> 01:53:58,827
Speaker 28: and I would certainly think the Ansacs are very much

2274
01:53:58,907 --> 01:54:03,547
Speaker 28: part of that. The baggy green cap is also in that,

2275
01:54:03,747 --> 01:54:08,587
Speaker 28: and you know the surf life say also, and I

2276
01:54:08,627 --> 01:54:11,747
Speaker 28: would throw I put the Melbourne Cup as part of

2277
01:54:12,187 --> 01:54:15,907
Speaker 28: what we've all grown up with and becomes part of

2278
01:54:15,987 --> 01:54:19,627
Speaker 28: your cultural identity. And I think once you start, you know,

2279
01:54:20,227 --> 01:54:25,107
Speaker 28: playing around with any of those, I call them virtually untouchables.

2280
01:54:25,147 --> 01:54:28,107
Speaker 28: You know, you just don't want to mess around with them.

2281
01:54:28,107 --> 01:54:30,587
Speaker 28: Once you start doing that, everyone gets a little bit

2282
01:54:30,587 --> 01:54:34,427
Speaker 28: antsy about it, you know, don't you touch that? You know,

2283
01:54:34,587 --> 01:54:36,227
Speaker 28: this is I grew up with that, you know, and

2284
01:54:36,907 --> 01:54:40,027
Speaker 28: it means a far lap and so you you know,

2285
01:54:40,187 --> 01:54:43,987
Speaker 28: these are the things and we're around it, you know,

2286
01:54:44,147 --> 01:54:46,467
Speaker 28: all the time. But once you do get on the

2287
01:54:46,547 --> 01:54:49,547
Speaker 28: road you start to see, you know, people's reactions and

2288
01:54:51,067 --> 01:54:55,427
Speaker 28: what it means to them. You gain an appreciation. I

2289
01:54:55,507 --> 01:54:58,307
Speaker 28: said on that first tour back in two thousand and three,

2290
01:54:58,307 --> 01:55:01,787
Speaker 28: I said, and the committee quiz me as to you

2291
01:55:01,867 --> 01:55:04,347
Speaker 28: know what the response was, and I said, look, it's

2292
01:55:04,587 --> 01:55:08,627
Speaker 28: it's not a sporting icon. It it's a cultural phenomenon.

2293
01:55:09,147 --> 01:55:12,347
Speaker 28: I mean like it it's you know, you go out

2294
01:55:12,427 --> 01:55:15,587
Speaker 28: to different parts of Australia in particular, they know more

2295
01:55:15,587 --> 01:55:16,347
Speaker 28: about it than you do.

2296
01:55:16,667 --> 01:55:18,427
Speaker 5: And it's and you.

2297
01:55:20,027 --> 01:55:21,547
Speaker 28: Get you're not selling it into them.

2298
01:55:21,627 --> 01:55:22,187
Speaker 10: They know it.

2299
01:55:23,227 --> 01:55:26,947
Speaker 28: It's and I can't work out how seven eight year

2300
01:55:26,987 --> 01:55:31,387
Speaker 28: olds know who Farlap is and they do. Just fascinated.

2301
01:55:31,867 --> 01:55:33,547
Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite Melbourne Cup race?

2302
01:55:34,827 --> 01:55:38,027
Speaker 28: Look, I think I've been to a number of Melbourne

2303
01:55:38,067 --> 01:55:40,947
Speaker 28: Cups since the mid seventies onwards. But look, I think

2304
01:55:41,267 --> 01:55:44,067
Speaker 28: the historical part of it is what fascinates me. And

2305
01:55:44,307 --> 01:55:46,067
Speaker 28: I would have loved to have been there for Farlaps

2306
01:55:46,147 --> 01:55:51,347
Speaker 28: nineteen thirty Melbourne Cup. Look, and you know, I've come

2307
01:55:51,467 --> 01:55:55,427
Speaker 28: to enjoy the many stories connected over that one hundred

2308
01:55:55,427 --> 01:55:58,147
Speaker 28: and sixty three year period. And I often say to

2309
01:55:58,187 --> 01:56:01,587
Speaker 28: people they often go to Makaybe Diva and Farlap, and

2310
01:56:01,867 --> 01:56:04,867
Speaker 28: I say the first third, the first thirty forty years

2311
01:56:05,067 --> 01:56:09,187
Speaker 28: history of the Melbourne Cup is quite fascinating. And they

2312
01:56:09,227 --> 01:56:13,107
Speaker 28: were boom times in Melbourne and some pretty you know,

2313
01:56:13,307 --> 01:56:17,387
Speaker 28: unique horses like Archer winning back to back, you know,

2314
01:56:17,827 --> 01:56:20,227
Speaker 28: the barb and I mean there was a horse called

2315
01:56:20,307 --> 01:56:22,827
Speaker 28: bryce Is in eighteen seventy six of Philly that won

2316
01:56:22,947 --> 01:56:25,347
Speaker 28: the Derby on the Saturday, the Cup on the Tuesday,

2317
01:56:25,387 --> 01:56:28,387
Speaker 28: and the Oaks on the Thursday, and the Cup winner

2318
01:56:28,587 --> 01:56:35,267
Speaker 28: was ridden by an eleven year old eleven Peterson Auburns.

2319
01:56:36,347 --> 01:56:39,787
Speaker 28: Tom Hales rode Bryce's in the Derby and the Oaks,

2320
01:56:39,827 --> 01:56:42,547
Speaker 28: but couldn't get down to the lightweight in the Cup.

2321
01:56:42,667 --> 01:56:46,027
Speaker 28: And I mean there's some really, I mean you it's

2322
01:56:46,067 --> 01:56:50,187
Speaker 28: hard to believe, but a lot of younger riders were

2323
01:56:50,427 --> 01:56:54,067
Speaker 28: engaged in that. You know, they didn't now you, they

2324
01:56:54,107 --> 01:56:56,387
Speaker 28: won't let you ride in a race until you're over

2325
01:56:56,507 --> 01:57:02,267
Speaker 28: sixteen or thereabouts, certainly in Australia, but way back you know,

2326
01:57:02,467 --> 01:57:05,707
Speaker 28: they utilized a lot younger jockey. So there's you know

2327
01:57:05,787 --> 01:57:10,187
Speaker 28: that early history carbine carrying, you know, huge weight of

2328
01:57:10,267 --> 01:57:12,707
Speaker 28: sixty five and a half kilos in eighteen ninety and

2329
01:57:13,547 --> 01:57:16,627
Speaker 28: you know all everything that went around that period of time,

2330
01:57:18,067 --> 01:57:22,187
Speaker 28: you know, is what I find what intrigues me about

2331
01:57:22,267 --> 01:57:25,147
Speaker 28: the race. And you start to unearth the different characters

2332
01:57:25,227 --> 01:57:29,307
Speaker 28: that were involved, you learn a lot about Australian history,

2333
01:57:29,467 --> 01:57:31,107
Speaker 28: let alone New Zealand history as well.

2334
01:57:31,347 --> 01:57:35,107
Speaker 2: I'll be just another protocol question. Does the just the

2335
01:57:35,307 --> 01:57:37,787
Speaker 2: owner or the winning owner or the syndicate that owns

2336
01:57:37,827 --> 01:57:40,427
Speaker 2: the winning horse get to have the cup overnight? Do

2337
01:57:40,507 --> 01:57:44,987
Speaker 2: they actually get to assume ownership of it temporarily or not.

2338
01:57:46,227 --> 01:57:46,427
Speaker 5: Well.

2339
01:57:46,747 --> 01:57:50,947
Speaker 28: I can remember when I had my first child and

2340
01:57:51,227 --> 01:57:54,187
Speaker 28: at the hospital and once you have the baby, everyone

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Speaker 28: leaves the room and it's like, hang on, is anyone

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Speaker 28: going to help us here? It's like it's a bit

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01:58:01,627 --> 01:58:05,667
Speaker 28: like that. It's like you're on your own and they

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Speaker 28: go and I actually, you know, we talk to our

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01:58:08,707 --> 01:58:12,027
Speaker 28: security on course, I say, look, just follow them for

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Speaker 28: the next few hours because they don't know what they've

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Speaker 28: actually won until they've got it.

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Speaker 5: And then and some of them just.

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Speaker 28: Walk out of a bar and just leave it. It's like,

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Speaker 28: hang on, this is yours. You've got to look after it.

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01:58:25,907 --> 01:58:29,227
Speaker 28: So once they're off the course and they go off

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01:58:29,267 --> 01:58:32,267
Speaker 28: to somewhere in the city at no doubt and party

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Speaker 28: till the early hours.

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Speaker 5: It is there.

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Speaker 28: I make sure I don't look at my phone for

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Speaker 28: the next two days because sometimes there's ah, well this

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01:58:43,987 --> 01:58:45,707
Speaker 28: sort of happened or that happened. I go, I don't

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01:58:45,747 --> 01:58:49,907
Speaker 28: want to know about that, really, but we make sure

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Speaker 28: we give them every assistance up until a point.

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Speaker 2: Yep, brilliant Joe. It's a pilgrimage. I know many Keywis

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Speaker 2: have made. It's on the bucket list of many keywis

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Speaker 2: as well to get across on the first Tuesday of

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Speaker 2: November and taken a you know, a day at the

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Speaker 2: Melbourne Cup at Flemington. Just a just absolutely iconic. It's

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Speaker 2: such a pleasure to have you in New Zealand with

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Speaker 2: your precious cargo. Travel well and look forward to catching

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Speaker 2: up again sometime.

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Speaker 28: Thanks Piney. And I think I should shout out to

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Speaker 28: Mark Twain who is a leading light and Maharajan that

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01:59:28,107 --> 01:59:30,387
Speaker 28: are both looking like they'll head over to Flemington, So

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Speaker 28: if anyone's interested, certainly follow them over. I'm sure they're

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Speaker 28: going to give a good sight on that first Tuesday November.

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Speaker 2: Top manager. Great to see you, thanks for coming in,

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Speaker 2: Thanks Piney. Thanks Joe Joe McGrath, keeper of the Cup.

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Speaker 2: The Melbourne Cup No. Less fourteen to three News Talks MB.

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Speaker 2: Two forty nine. Let's just circle back to the All

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Speaker 2: Blacks to finish. Scott Robertson as I mentioned earlier in

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Speaker 2: the show, has fronted media the small on a range

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Speaker 2: of issues. Just wanted to get you across the situation

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Speaker 2: with injury. So what is the situation with t J,

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Speaker 2: pet Nada and other injuries in the All Black squad?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 23: Yes, TJ. He's great, he's working up an awesome condition.

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Speaker 23: But we'll scan in this afternoon.

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Speaker 17: He h.

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Speaker 23: I hope it's one of those ones that look worse

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Speaker 23: than it actually is. So we'll know definitely tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 23: But we've got pens and past if he's not right.

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Speaker 2: To those players include bringing in someone.

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Speaker 5: New here that's great from the game.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, everyone's good. We had a pretty good medical

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Speaker 23: clinic there and everyone's pretty everyone's pretty good to my

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Speaker 23: Penny goes to his h Ai protocols really well is

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Speaker 23: right on.

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Speaker 2: So a couple of players that Scott Robertson was asked about,

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Speaker 2: first of all, Ardie Savere upon his return from Japan

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Speaker 2: without any super rugby.

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Speaker 23: He was straight back on as professionalism has been incredible,

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Speaker 23: you know, as role as a vice captain and how

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Speaker 23: he supported and when he stood up you know a

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Speaker 23: couple of great turnovers as you know he can do

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Speaker 23: and a couple of half carries off solowball, so you

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Speaker 23: look he stood.

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Speaker 2: Up and Boden Barrett another to return from Japan.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, great cameo, wasn't it. A couple of nice touches

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Speaker 23: off his foot, some good guidance and those circles around

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Speaker 23: the leadership side or really peace from just what we

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Speaker 23: needed at the right time.

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Speaker 2: That is the voice, of course of Scott Robertson, head

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Speaker 2: coach of the All Blacks. One from one so one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent at the moment. That's some thinking to do,

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Speaker 2: no doubt. Ahead of the second Test against England next

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Speaker 2: Saturday at Eden Park. Of course we will have a

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Speaker 2: full life commentary of that game for you and we

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Speaker 2: can't support will come to you from Eden Park next Saturday.

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Speaker 2: As we build towards the second Test of the year

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Speaker 2: nine to three new stalks ed.

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Speaker 1: Be analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting

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Speaker 1: world weekends for it with Jason Pie.

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Speaker 5: They're all always under news Talk Zenby.

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Speaker 2: But you might have to wait for next week to

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Speaker 2: call that number if you want to talk some sport,

2427
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Speaker 2: because that is us on weekend sport for another Sunday

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Speaker 2: and another weekend. Massive thanks to everybody who took the

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Speaker 2: time to call in and to text a message through

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Speaker 2: or send one via email. As I said before, we

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Speaker 2: can't read them all out. We do read them all though,

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Speaker 2: and we greatly appreciate your time and your opinion. Tim

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Speaker 2: Beverage on the radio after three o'clock. I'm back on

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Speaker 2: Sports Talk tomorrow night. Between Saturday eight, no doubt there'll

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Speaker 2: be some more All Blacks chat and then next weekend,

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Speaker 2: as I say, we'll be in Auckland for Test two

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Speaker 2: of the year with the All Blacks up against England

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Speaker 2: Eden Park next Saturday night at five past seven. Big

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Speaker 2: thanks to Andy McDonald for producing the show and manning

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Speaker 2: the phones on a particularly busy day. Thanks mate, enjoy

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Speaker 2: the rest of your day. To take us out a

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Speaker 2: song today. Well, a lot of the conversation, excuse me

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02:02:59,907 --> 02:03:02,427
Speaker 2: after last night was about the timer or the lack

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02:03:02,507 --> 02:03:05,027
Speaker 2: of the timer, and the counting down of the clock

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02:03:05,667 --> 02:03:09,867
Speaker 2: that eventually denied Damien McKenzie the chance to take that

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Speaker 2: shot at goal. So I've gone with cold plays. There

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02:03:13,147 --> 02:03:15,227
Speaker 2: is a flimsy length phoney and there's a flumsy leg

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Speaker 2: I've gone with cold plaze clocks. They did also play

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Speaker 2: at glasson bree in the last little while. So there's

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Speaker 2: another little layer or strand of relevance there makes it okay,

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02:03:24,107 --> 02:03:27,707
Speaker 2: then it doesn't sure. Then look, you know, I get

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02:03:27,747 --> 02:03:29,507
Speaker 2: the song on a Sunday, you get along the Saturday.

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Speaker 2: We should stay in our lanes, stay in our respective lanes.

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Speaker 2: I apologize, Poney. Alright, this clock's by cold plate. See

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow Night, wife an out.

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Speaker 27: Where Where where I wants it?

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