1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,600 Speaker 1: I was coming up twenty one away from six. And 2 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: on the huddle we have Ali Jones read PR and 3 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: christ Church Local board member and Jordan Williams of the 4 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: Taxpayers Union. Hell are you too, Hi, good evening, Ali? 5 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:10,159 Speaker 1: Do you want to change it? 6 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 2: Nope? 7 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 3: No, nope no. Tyler Welle does a good job. Lovely guy. Actually, 8 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 3: But you know what frustrates me about this is that 9 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 3: they use those words like you know, Tyler said that 10 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 3: the kids mentioned about celebrating people. I don't think we're 11 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 3: celebrating someone by putting their name on a street sign. 12 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 3: We are acknowledging them, we are noting them. They are 13 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 3: part of the history. And the other point too, is 14 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 3: that I understand that Rolliston didn't actually lead the attack 15 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 3: on Patiaka. Yes he was part of the conversation leading 16 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 3: up to it, but someone else actually led that. Do 17 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 3: we erase the history? I mean? He also set up 18 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 3: the death school Vanish College out in Sumner here in 19 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 3: christ Church. He was also a key supporter of women's suffrage. 20 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 3: So what do we do here? Do we throw the 21 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 3: baby out with the bast water or do we teach 22 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 3: people New zem On history in context? And we're all 23 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 3: that for us. 24 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know about you, Jordan, but I 25 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: find often that history I find I enjoy learning about 26 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: our history and then connected and going, oh there is 27 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: a chap called Jenningham Wakefield. Oh that's why it's point Jenningham, 28 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: you know. And so actually those landmarks do help you 29 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: to learn it and realize the significance of these people, 30 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: you know. 31 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: I mean, history is actually can be quite dark, like 32 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, and it's just a slippery So 33 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: they found at the Free Speech Union seven years ago 34 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: to fight against people, you know, that are alive being canceled. 35 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: Now it seems that the work have now turned on 36 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 2: that if you're diard, you can be canceled. You know. 37 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: We've got to get rid of this name. The cock Islands. 38 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: It's just it's so offensive. Churchill Lane, but the worst 39 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: is down near Stuart Island, the Pit Islands. Yeah, that 40 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: is just the younger No, I mean, it's true that 41 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: doesn't cancel them. 42 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: And what great did he introduce it? 43 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: It was very low, it was very low. But the 44 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: thing is is the taxes they grow. 45 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: Like was it like ten percent back in the day 46 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: or something like that. I mean, if you said to them. 47 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: You know, if you said I. 48 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: Need to, we need to the history of taxation newsy 49 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: Island was written not by me, that was Paul Goldsmith. 50 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: You're getting confused, Yeah, but I mean I know that 51 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: you'll just you just know everything. But if you said 52 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: at the time, don't let the younger do this children, 53 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: because he'll start a ten percent, but it's the thin 54 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: of the wedge and before you know it, you're paying 55 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: thirty nine percent, that's ridicas. 56 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: I don't engage with it because I find it so 57 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: so emotionally distressful, and that's why we need to change 58 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: the triggering. 59 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 3: There is one other thing, Can I just raise it 60 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 3: to where do we draw the line? 61 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: Right? 62 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 3: We've got Rollston Township, Rolliston's growing is one of the 63 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: biggest fastest growing areas just outside christ Church. We've got 64 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 3: Rolliston College. I know people called Rolliston. What will they 65 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 3: change the names as well? 66 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous, Yeah, totally. I mean, there is a 67 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: William Roliston, isn't It wasn't he in the Federated Farmers. 68 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 3: Well, there's a Humphrey Rolliston who's well known in christ Church. 69 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 3: So it's christ Church name. It's still a name. 70 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: William will have to change the name all together. Now, Jordan, 71 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: what do you think about this adh move? Adhd move 72 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: A good move? 73 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess. I mean, I'm I'm not libertarian on 74 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: too much, but HM on this, I take the sort 75 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 2: of the Economist magazine view that that you know that 76 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: the more the area. I'd say that the performance enhancing 77 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: mental drugs that are used widely in campuses in North America, 78 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: I don't have the same moral objection to as a 79 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: lot of people, but I know I'm not My views 80 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: aren't very mainstream. But the Economist just says like that, are. 81 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: You saying it's it's cool to do your exams on Rittlin. 82 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: No, I think it's cool. I just think that it's 83 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: south so widely done. I was astounded. This is obviously it's. 84 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: Like level level of the playing field. If everybody is 85 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: doing it, then you may as well let the rest 86 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: of them do it as well. 87 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Not, my young guys in Aukland say it's very 88 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: common at the University of Auckland anyway. But I was 89 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: astounded when I did at university exchange to Germany, as 90 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: I say, many many years ago, the extent to which 91 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: performance enhancing drugs were used by students to sort of 92 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 2: stay awake and cram, and just from the Ivy League 93 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: schools in the US, I didn't know the extent to 94 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: which it's done. I should ask my young chaps in Wellington. 95 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: But that I just don't have the same moral issues 96 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: with ADHD drugs being slightly more widely available. I know 97 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 2: that this over diagnosis, and I agree with all of that, 98 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: but I just don't, as I say, but there's not 99 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: a certainly an obtexoson issue, and I know that it's 100 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 2: not a of you widely held Allie. 101 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: I can't decide if we're overdiagnosing or underdiagnosing. I just 102 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: don't think we don't. 103 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, it's really interesting and I support this 104 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 3: move one hundred percent. I've changed my mind on it. 105 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: I think seeing the difference that it made for someone's 106 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 3: daughter with ADHD recently be diagnosed and then beyond the 107 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 3: right medication, it was absolutely life changing for her. But 108 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 3: it was going to cost well, actually it did cost 109 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 3: her eighteen hundred bucks to see a specialist and she 110 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: had to wait, and that was privately. So the barriers 111 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 3: are really heartbreaking. What I'm concerned about here is that 112 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: it's all very well for the government to be making 113 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 3: these changes, but we need to have the support for 114 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 3: the GPS and the nurse magnetitioners, the training we needed, 115 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 3: counseling and support for those who are diagnosed. Otherwise it's 116 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: just virtual signaling. I think it's great that this is 117 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 3: going to be available to more people, but they need 118 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: some support to be supports around it as well. 119 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, guys, we'll take a break. Come back to you, 120 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: just in just to tech. It's the huddle. Back with 121 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: the huddle. Jordan Williams of the Taxpas union, Allie Jones, 122 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: Jordan Rates Caps tell me why look here. 123 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: I know you're captured by a big council and don't 124 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 2: want don't want rate the cats spending. Hey, yeah, the 125 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: thing is the spending was going to core infrastructure, if 126 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: it was going for where the pollys and the officials came. 127 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: You know, we look at the pipes of versting. We 128 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: desperately need more money to fix them. But whenever we've 129 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 2: done this, from an analysis on this over time, a 130 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: greater and greater proportion is going on operating expenditure, not 131 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: capital expenditure. It's going on empire buildings and staff. And 132 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, when you can't be trusted with money, you 133 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: don't keep giving the agreement. 134 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: But tell me I'm wrong, Jordan, tell me I'm wrong, 135 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: because I what I predict would happen is that they 136 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: will just run it up on the credit card. You'll 137 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: cap how much money they've got. They'll just keep on spending, 138 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: run it up on debt. They will still spend on 139 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: the wrong things. They will scrimp on the capital expenditure, 140 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: and before you know it, you've got a crisis like 141 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: they've got on Wellington with the pipes. And then somebody 142 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: like Grant Robertson goes it's okay, just you know, go hard, Okay. 143 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 2: Turn me out, take water act because that's go thanks 144 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: to the excellent work the tax Baser Union did before 145 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: the election and the National Party. But I mean, if 146 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: the government squeezes from the size around their power of 147 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: general competence and what local government can do, you gotta 148 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 2: squeeze it from the top bottom two. And that is 149 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 2: around this, you know, And it's not unreasonable. It is 150 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: limiting rates to inflation, except for if you convince people 151 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: in a local referenda. That's what the policy we're calling 152 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: for happens in part Australia, it happens in the UK. 153 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: Well we can they do it in Australia in the UK. 154 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: Can't when you can do it in Australia in the 155 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: UK a. 156 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 3: Different countries money because random would cost an absolute fortune. 157 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: Oh not so very Chucke. Fifteen percent was the average 158 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: rates increase last year? No household is spending year after 159 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: year fifteen percent. 160 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 3: Disagree, that's what we're. 161 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: Putting out with. 162 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: I'm not disagreeing with you, Jordan, but you cannot run 163 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 3: things like this on a committee, which is what a 164 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 3: referendum system does. 165 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 2: Will you? 166 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 3: I totally agree hang on, I totally agree with the 167 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: wood No, no, no, no. What I agree with what 168 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 3: you said earlier, Heather, which was you've got to put 169 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,559 Speaker 3: people around that council table who have got the nouse 170 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 3: to be a to do the job. And the other 171 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 3: thing is it's not city how It's not the staff 172 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 3: that are their nets are on the line here or 173 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 3: the accountability is there with them, it's the chief executive. 174 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 3: The chief executive is the only person that is answerable 175 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 3: to the counselors. Now, if the delegations of such that 176 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: people are signing stuff off that they shouldn't be, that 177 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 3: it's far too high, then they have to change that. No, 178 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 3: you have got to allow people to do the job 179 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 3: that they are there to do. But if they can't 180 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 3: do it, there has to be oversight. And that's where 181 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 3: the chief executive comes in. 182 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: Look at the story that the tax paying and exposed 183 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: today there's two point three million dollar disco duney in 184 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: Wellington of of of some public lows two point three 185 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: million with all the flashing lights and stuff. Yeah, no, 186 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 2: killing are irrelevant problem, but it's not like or irrelevant 187 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 2: Wells two point three million dollar public laboratories. Then Ali, 188 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: that is that is that is you cannot say that 189 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: that is not representative of local council and your solution 190 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: to fix the Wellington pipes is to give them more money. 191 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: It is not a revenue issue. It is the quality 192 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 2: of decision making and quality of spending. I got agree 193 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 2: with you these decisions. 194 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 3: I don't disagree with you that it's an issue in 195 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 3: two point three million is a ridiculous amount of money 196 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 3: to pay for toilets. In fact, I rang round because 197 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: that's what I do, and I found that you can 198 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 3: get a triple toilet built for one hundred and twenty 199 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 3: five k. You have to add claning to that and 200 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 3: he has to grate it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the 201 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: point is that I don't think. I think procurement policies 202 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: have to be looked at. The Boston has to be 203 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 3: looked at, and there is no doubt that this cost 204 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 3: more than should have because it took three years to 205 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 3: do so. There are a whole lot of issues here 206 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 3: that need to be looked at as to how this 207 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 3: even came to two point three million. I think the 208 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 3: lights are great. More lights only if I'm not going 209 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 3: to add a massive amount. 210 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 2: Now in the district Dunning, because this is this book end. 211 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 3: Sitting does Queen cubicles. 212 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, it's wonderful to talk to you, and I 213 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: really appreciate the fact that you're both the experts on 214 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: this particular subject, So thanks so much, being obviously counsels 215 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: not toilets. 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