1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Acts looks like it might kill off the planed surcharge ban. Now, 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: the plan was to ban retailers from putting a surcharge 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: on contactless credit card purchases so that they use to 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: cover the fees that they pay. But act is written 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: to National proposing to actually allow businesses to continue with 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: the surcharges as long as they give customers an alternative 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: way to pay, like cash or f poss ax PALMG 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: parmas with US now hi PALM g hihata. Is this 9 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: a proposal that you may or may not go with 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: or is this a line in the sand and this 11 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: is what you want? 12 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: So the bill is going through the Select committey process. 13 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: So I have put this idea to the Select Committee 14 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: at the start of the process. And as you know 15 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: that many bills have been adjusted in the Select Committee process. 16 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: So I'll be really looking forward to seeing what submitters 17 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 2: have to say on this amendment. 18 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: Oh, I propose if National says to yet not, we're 19 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: not going to do that. It's a ban on everything 20 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: all surcharges. Will you support that? 21 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: So this bill is a government policy. An actors committed 22 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: to supporting a government position, but that doesn't mean that 23 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: we can't put our ideas forward. So I have done 24 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: that and now it's in the hands of the Select Committee. 25 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: Have you heard back from Scott Simpson on this, not 26 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: yet directly. Are you convinced of the merits of banning 27 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: all surcharges? 28 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: So what I've heard from businesses is this that it 29 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: is going to impose a huge amount of cost on businesses. 30 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: Obviously that depends on businesses turnover, and that's where I 31 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: have come up with this position because my position is 32 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 2: about choice and cost. It's about saving Different modes of 33 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: payment are also stopping inflation because if businesses can't search 34 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: charge for PAYWAF, they will build the cost of that 35 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: in their products and then everybody who is using other 36 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: modes of payment will also end up paying the cost 37 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 2: towards that, and that will result in higher prices for everybody. 38 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: And I want to stop that. 39 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: So that's the idea of beare okay you, I agree 40 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: with you on everything you just said, So how can 41 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: you support the surcharge ban then? 42 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is that if a business is 43 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: not providing any other choice, then the band should be applic. 44 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: Yes, I know, but I asked that shouldn't thought if 45 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: they don't accept this proposal, will you still support the 46 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: surcharge band? And you said yes, But how can you 47 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: if you know that it's going to impose costs on businesses? 48 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: It is going to and as I said, the bill 49 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: is government policy, an actors committed to supporting the government position. 50 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: But as I said, many legislations have been changed in 51 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 2: the Select committee process, and that's what I'm looking forward 52 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: to this bill beings for you. 53 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: Okay, So alternative theory, have you given Scott Simpson a 54 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: way out of this little conundrum that he's found himself in. 55 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: So I have put my idea forward to this Select 56 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: committee because now the bill is in the Select Committee, 57 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 2: not with the Minister, so it will be reported back 58 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: and we'll have to see what form it is reported back. 59 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: Okay, Palm Jed appreciate a Pumjeet Palmer ACT Party Commerce 60 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: and Consumer Fair spokes person. I have a suspicion, I 61 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: just think just alternative theory here that maybe ACT has 62 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: just given Scott Simpson a way out of a terrible 63 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: policy because at the moment, if he imposes this policy, 64 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: he is going to be getting a lot of retailer 65 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: offside just before the election, so it might have given 66 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: him a little out here quarter past. Heather got to 67 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: get you across as a terrible sports clash that's happened. 68 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to run you through that. Just a bit 69 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: of an update really quickly on the Tom Phillips case. 70 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: The mother of the three children has now joined the 71 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: legal proceeding proceedings to keep that information you know that 72 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: we all know about secret. It was originally brought by 73 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: Tom Phillips's mother with Linda Clark as her lawyer. Now 74 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: the mother of the three children has joined different lawyer, 75 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: Michael Bott knows his way around a courtroom, so he'll 76 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: be good. The information still remains suppressed. This is the 77 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: third time the judge has suppressed it. She says, this 78 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: is Justice Cull that she's going to release a minute 79 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: based on her decision today, which I think we will 80 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: all be pleased to understand what's going on here. But 81 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: apparently there is no end in sight here and this 82 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: suppression may go on for a very long time. For 83 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: more from Heather Duplassy Allen Drive, listen live to News 84 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: Talk said Be from four pm weekdays, or follow the 85 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio.