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Speaker 3: Morning Jeremy, Welcome into the podcast.
Speaker 4: Kell you to turn the well. Who's got their conditioning
Speaker 4: up in this bloody place? It's freezing out there today.
Speaker 3: Too cold.
Speaker 4: It's freezing.
Speaker 1: Have you or have you been outside this studio? This
Speaker 1: studio is up and down. It's either sweltering hot or
Speaker 1: it's Arctic blizzard cold.
Speaker 4: It's been a pausal.
Speaker 3: It has been a pausal.
Speaker 4: Doesn't know whether it's hot, doesn't know whether it's cold.
Speaker 4: Doesn't know whether it's trying to make babies or whether
Speaker 4: it's trying to shut it down when it's drying up,
Speaker 4: whether it's.
Speaker 1: It's going up, it's going through the change it really
Speaker 1: is this studio.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of a lot of snow down south.
Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot of photo has been sent through
Speaker 1: and my mum's texting me, going Jesus cold down here.
Speaker 1: Tell you what she doesn't want to hear. Me complaining
Speaker 1: about the weather in Auckland.
Speaker 4: Does that make you long for the for the horrific
Speaker 4: weather of the South Island or not.
Speaker 1: That not at all. I hate snow controversial opinion, largely
Speaker 1: because I can't ski, but also because snow to North Islanders, like,
Speaker 1: if you've lived in Auckland your whole life, snow is
Speaker 1: this magical, mystical, whimsical sort of thing. But in reality,
Speaker 1: it's sludge. It's everything's fucking wet. There's mud everywhere.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It's actually not as magical a time of year as
Speaker 1: you think it would be, and it just makes life
Speaker 1: so much worse. So yeah, me, personally, I can't guess snow.
Speaker 4: Okay, So when you see snow, you see dead lambs.
Speaker 1: Yes, I see dead lambs. I see calves born too early.
Speaker 4: You see pain in the agricultural sector.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: You know, is it gonna is it gonna dry out
Speaker 1: in time for you to put some feed down? Are
Speaker 1: they gonna be eating off?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: And there everything's going moldy. It's just it's sludge. That's
Speaker 1: the part that people don't realize about it. It's not
Speaker 1: often that you get the powdery snow it's the sleety,
Speaker 1: sludgy shit. That's just it's crashing your car. It's your
Speaker 1: flatmate taking your car down to the deer and sliding
Speaker 1: out around the corner and then lying about it.
Speaker 4: Specific story. Clearly something happened to us along those lines.
Speaker 4: Why don't saut to South Islanders driving snow tires? Have
Speaker 4: you heard of snow tires? I went to Japan and
Speaker 4: I was driving in the snow. Yeah, And I was
Speaker 4: driving in a car, just a normal car, four wheel drive,
Speaker 4: but it's a car, and it was a Sabaru Forester,
Speaker 4: and I had these things called snow ties, which means
Speaker 4: you don't have to wear chains. Oh, you don't put
Speaker 4: chains on.
Speaker 1: Nah.
Speaker 4: These things grip in the snow. It's quite out of it.
Speaker 4: They look like kind of normal ties, but they're they're softer, right,
Speaker 4: and so when they when they get cold, they're still soft,
Speaker 4: so they grip, whereas you know, opposed to normal tires,
Speaker 4: when they get cold, they go hard and they slide.
Speaker 1: It's like plastic. Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't get sideways once and I was driving in
Speaker 4: deep snow all the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, No, I'm sure that there would be parts
Speaker 3: of the country.
Speaker 1: That have them, and in certain times of the year,
Speaker 1: but no, I haven't seen them so good. The snow tight, yeah, removed.
Speaker 1: And there's nothing more humiliating than trying to put a
Speaker 1: set of chains on.
Speaker 4: The worst thing is that my partner, Tolsi, is really
Speaker 4: good at putting on chains. So when we go skiing,
Speaker 4: she puts on the chains and it's I say, I
Speaker 4: sit in the side of the.
Speaker 3: Car, keeping your hands warm, and.
Speaker 4: She's out there on a mat getting dirty. And I
Speaker 4: tell you what, man, I get some flsy locks, particularly
Speaker 4: from women.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, it's the fucking seven chap guys.
Speaker 4: Ideas like, she's good at it, she enjoys it.
Speaker 3: What are you supposed to do?
Speaker 4: I know some people are got it putting on chains.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my missus has been backing a trailer than I am.
Speaker 1: I'm mad enough to admit it. I'm not too proud
Speaker 1: to say she's really good at backing a trailer. Grew
Speaker 1: up on a farm. You know what am I supposed
Speaker 1: to do? We've got the greatest New Zealander debate going
Speaker 1: on at the moment, Jerry, and I thought I'd get
Speaker 1: you in today because this one I know you'll be
Speaker 1: able to weigh in on yesterday it was fred dag
Speaker 1: Billy T.
Speaker 3: Belly T won the.
Speaker 1: Landslide really, and I think partially due to the fact
Speaker 1: that a lot of fred Dagg's work was done over
Speaker 1: in Australia. Also, fred Dagg just one of the characters
Speaker 1: you know, played by Why am I.
Speaker 4: Forgetting his name by John Clark?
Speaker 3: John Clark?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so it wasn't John Clark. It was fred
Speaker 4: Dak Yeah, yeah, fair enough. I mean fred Dagg was
Speaker 4: good for sure, but watch character played by belly T.
Speaker 1: I mean, belly T played a whole lot of characters
Speaker 1: and I think that's probably what what one. I also
Speaker 1: think that belly T's remembered more fondly than fred Daggers
Speaker 1: we're saying yesterday Heath was talking about, you know there's
Speaker 1: the comedians when the towel of the other best comedian
Speaker 1: of that year. So you know that one was won
Speaker 1: by landslide. Today's one is going to be very tough.
Speaker 1: It's going to cause a lot. You know, it's going
Speaker 1: to tear families apart, this this one, and I know
Speaker 1: you're already torn about it. Today's matchup for the Greatest
Speaker 1: New Zealander of all time as Richard Hadley versus Dan Vittori.
Speaker 4: Oh man, this is well, and you're asking me this question.
Speaker 1: I'm asking you as as Richard Hadley's biggest fan. Yes,
Speaker 1: and also a personal friend of Dan vatory.
Speaker 4: This is really hard for me. I am definitely Richard
Speaker 4: Hadley's number one fan. I've now realized it. I used
Speaker 4: to think that everybody loved Richard Hadley. I just grew
Speaker 4: up thinking that he was like the greatest human that
Speaker 4: ever lived, and therefore everybody loved him. And I was
Speaker 4: one of the multitude of people who just worshiped everything
Speaker 4: he did, including the way he skipped at the beginning
Speaker 4: of his run up and the way that he wore
Speaker 4: wristbands as well. And it's mistache, but it turns out
Speaker 4: I was actually the number one fan. I loved him
Speaker 4: more than he I paid more attention to everything about
Speaker 4: Richard Hadley than anyone else.
Speaker 1: Was it a slow realization when you're talking to people
Speaker 1: at cocktail parties and realizing their eyes are glazing over
Speaker 1: and you're talking about bowling averages.
Speaker 4: It was a slightly slowly realization. But everybody came to
Speaker 4: me one day when Stephen Fleming organized a lunch to
Speaker 4: celebrate the twenty fifteen Cricket World Cup. Then that and
Speaker 4: Stephen Fleming organized very kindly. What a lovely man Stephen
Speaker 4: Filming is. He organized me to sit beside so Richard
Speaker 4: Hadley because he had heard that I idolized them, probably
Speaker 4: through damnatory. And not only did he sit beside Richard Hadley,
Speaker 4: he sat on the other side of me was wok
Speaker 4: a Unice. I was in a handly Unice sandwich and
Speaker 4: I love wo Unice. What a great bowler he was.
Speaker 4: I thought he was mean and nasty because he always
Speaker 4: looked terrifying he was bowling. He is the gentlest, nicest man,
Speaker 4: really humble, just a very nice human.
Speaker 1: Until you put the cherry in his hand and then
Speaker 1: he's at your throat vicious.
Speaker 4: I mean a green seemer with waka Unice steaming and
Speaker 4: our old ball, new ball whatever.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: That guy was terrifying, and he's up in your ribs
Speaker 4: and he steamed in from miles and he really steamed
Speaker 4: in and then he sort of did that thing we
Speaker 4: jumped and stopped, which is terrifying as a batsman because
Speaker 4: he's a pause like your way. You do if I
Speaker 4: did it different, And then there's this pause that's like,
Speaker 4: oh god, the shooting fire. Yeah, he's vicious and he
Speaker 4: will got a bolt of devastating bounts of plus a
Speaker 4: devastating Yorker. That's a terrible combination.
Speaker 1: Is there a chance that you were set next to
Speaker 1: Richard Hadley because no one else at that lunch wanted
Speaker 1: to sit next to Richard Hadley?
Speaker 4: Which turns out Richard Hadley loves the red wine. Really
Speaker 4: I found that out. Okay, you know it's not such
Speaker 4: a fan. But Richard Hadley nicked a couple of rids
Speaker 4: and really loosened up and it's quite quite a good time.
Speaker 1: Richard Headley, did you did you have any burning questions
Speaker 1: that you'd carried since a child that you wanted to ask?
Speaker 4: Of course I did. Of course I had a list.
Speaker 4: I seriously had a list that was like five pages long.
Speaker 4: But I realized I couldn't do that, and I, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm not stupid, So I was like, Okay, I've got one.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to ask him one question, peppering him
Speaker 4: with questions. Even though that that's what I'd like to
Speaker 4: with questions, He's not going to do this. So I thought,
Speaker 4: I've got one, and I was like, what can that
Speaker 4: one be? And I was like, I know. So it
Speaker 4: was around the change of run up when he went
Speaker 4: from the long run to the short run. And in
Speaker 4: that time and about nineteen eighty one nineteen eighty two,
Speaker 4: he changed from the short to long and he used
Speaker 4: to alternate actually, and he was criticized quite heavily in
Speaker 4: New Zealand cricket for going back to the short run
Speaker 4: up because he was our number one strike bowler, even
Speaker 4: though he felt that he was a bitter bowler coming
Speaker 4: off the short run. But anyway, when he did that,
Speaker 4: he changed the beginning of his run up where he
Speaker 4: used to skip you bringing his back leg, his right
Speaker 4: leg around behind the left leg and sort of almost
Speaker 4: in front of it. Was it was a very strange
Speaker 4: kind of side on and over.
Speaker 3: The left the top of the run up at the
Speaker 3: top of the run up.
Speaker 4: It was a really weird move. And he stopped doing
Speaker 4: that to this little hop, this little skip at the
Speaker 4: beginning of his run. There was a little with a
Speaker 4: little with a little brush of the hand on the
Speaker 4: on the legs. It almost liked to sort of put
Speaker 4: the put the ball in the hand and go from
Speaker 4: the transfer the ball from the left of the right hand.
Speaker 4: And I always wondered. I was like that was was
Speaker 4: that a conscious decision? Because it was quite a dramatic change.
Speaker 4: It's quite a you know, to stop doing one and
Speaker 4: start doing the other as a bowler. And he and
Speaker 4: I said to him, I noticed in nineteen eighty two
Speaker 4: that you changed from from around the back skip to
Speaker 4: a little hop. And I said, why did you do that?
Speaker 4: And was it? Was it gradual or was it one day?
Speaker 4: And he said, nobody's ever asked me that, christ I
Speaker 4: did that happened? And I said and he and I said, well,
Speaker 4: I'm interested. And he said it was because I used
Speaker 4: to play league cricket in county and county cricket and
Speaker 4: you were only allowed to come in off fifteen paces
Speaker 4: faces really met. Yeah, And so I had the short
Speaker 4: run up and I used that just to skip to
Speaker 4: get me going because I couldn't bring the leg around
Speaker 4: and get the timing right right. And he said, then
Speaker 4: I just introduced it to Test cricket and one day
Speaker 4: cricket was like, oh, there we go. So it was
Speaker 4: it was a conscious.
Speaker 1: Decision, right, So it was like Last Night Stands or
Speaker 1: like Twilight Cricket.
Speaker 3: We were only allowed to come off three paces.
Speaker 4: Yeah, try and keep the games fast, I spose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be annoying in county cricket to have
Speaker 1: some just village bird, who's coming off the boundary bowling
Speaker 1: one ten?
Speaker 3: Do we need it?
Speaker 4: And in those days there were some big run ups yeah,
Speaker 4: like oh yeah, there was some I mean Michael holding
Speaker 4: he he was running in from about fifty meters. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean that's a long way.
Speaker 3: That's over the rope in some boundaries.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's in the park. He's coming from up in
Speaker 4: the caterings and making his way down. So I think
Speaker 4: they were trying to sort of shorten, shorten things down,
Speaker 4: shut in the game. So that was I was so
Speaker 4: proud that he said to me, No, does he ever
Speaker 4: asked me that question before?
Speaker 1: Did that impact his bowling at all? Did it take
Speaker 1: a couple of clicks off?
Speaker 3: Did it?
Speaker 4: I think he lost a couple of cliques, definitely, but
Speaker 4: he gained a little bit of control. Yeah, And I
Speaker 4: think all of a sudden, it was a golden period
Speaker 4: from nineteen eighty two through to nineteen ninety he took
Speaker 4: so many works.
Speaker 1: Long as spells, I suppose as well, because he's not
Speaker 1: running as far.
Speaker 4: Yep, that's exactly what he said, longest spells. And he
Speaker 4: didn't lose a lot of pace. He certainly didn't lose
Speaker 4: any of his bounce. I think that was the thing
Speaker 4: with Richard Hadley. People don't understand he he was. He
Speaker 4: came with a very high arm action, amazing wrist action,
Speaker 4: and just extracted a lot of bounce. And you saw
Speaker 4: it when you when you watched him live and I
Speaker 4: watched him live a bit as a kid, and the
Speaker 4: boy would always hit the gloves hard and it was
Speaker 4: always on the app on the way through to insment. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, So that's your h that's your love affair with
Speaker 1: Richard Hadley. And actually, funnily enough, when I teached you
Speaker 1: last night about coming on this morning, the last text
Speaker 1: I had sent to you was I couldn't remember the
Speaker 1: mantra that he had at the top of his run up,
Speaker 1: and it just texted you what was what was Hadley's
Speaker 1: rhythm Swing Lily Swing Lily? Was it the name of
Speaker 1: his book as well, Rhythm and Swing. Yeah, he didn't
Speaker 1: put lily in the in the title.
Speaker 4: Oddly, The greatest moment I had with Richard Hadley came recently.
Speaker 4: Came about three months ago when I went down to
Speaker 4: his house. He was selling his house. I went down
Speaker 4: for seven sharp to do a story and I wandered
Speaker 4: around his house and he showed me around his house,
Speaker 4: and then at the end of it, we sat down
Speaker 4: in front of his big screen TV, which is giant,
Speaker 4: must be about like eighty inches huge on these two
Speaker 4: lazy boys in his house in christ Jurg and we
Speaker 4: started watching Richard Hardley clips. So I watched Richard Handley
Speaker 4: playing in nineteen eighty one against Australia at the SCG.
Speaker 4: We took five wickets and I watched that with Richard Hardley.
Speaker 4: That was the That's one of the greatest moments in
Speaker 4: my life. I would say, top top three.
Speaker 1: How quickly was he able to pull that highlightrail up?
Speaker 4: I was on his my sky, along with a whole
Speaker 4: lot of other highlights of his.
Speaker 1: How many other people have been subjected to this? Hey,
Speaker 1: I know it was a trick for you, you.
Speaker 4: Know it was. It was just amazing. I was like,
Speaker 4: if I could be in this moment for the rest
Speaker 4: of my life, I'd be happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just imagining his wife just been like again, she.
Speaker 4: Was somewhere else. She was in another part of the house.
Speaker 4: Oh god, he's watching himself on TV. But the interesting
Speaker 4: thing he was critiquing his own performance, and he's like,
Speaker 4: it's rubbish, a lot of rubbish. That is. He goes, oh,
Speaker 4: good delivery coming up here. Watched this one just just
Speaker 4: angles and then just nips away. And he was right, like,
Speaker 4: there's a couple of absolute screamers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that would have been a beautiful moment.
Speaker 4: Oh man.
Speaker 1: Gelane recently retold the story about you being given the
Speaker 1: keys to the roller at high school and rolling out
Speaker 1: the pitch to within an inch of its life overnight
Speaker 1: before school exchanges.
Speaker 4: It was a double whemy for me that not only
Speaker 4: did I get off class, particularly particularly geography with mister Lloyd,
Speaker 4: who didn't even know that I wasn't even on the class,
Speaker 4: which I got my best market actually, but that was
Speaker 4: an opportunity to get our class. Plus I loved just
Speaker 4: being on the roll. I loved operating a bit of technology.
Speaker 4: Track is always fun to drive, cars are fund to drive, etc.
Speaker 4: And And yeah, you get to right get to the
Speaker 4: piece and quiet of just sitting out and just rolling this.
Speaker 4: But what I didn't realize is you can overroll a pitch.
Speaker 4: Oh really, I didn't know anything about pictures. I just
Speaker 4: wanted this really hard. I thought that the problem with
Speaker 4: New Zealand pictures were they weren't hard enough. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: it turns out you can just roll the living but
Speaker 4: Jesus out of it. So this pitch would have it
Speaker 4: was like a rolled piece of mud, hardly any grass
Speaker 4: on it, and you'd stand it. You couldn't get a
Speaker 4: key into it, and you think, oh, this is going
Speaker 4: to be and with the new ball it would and
Speaker 4: if you bowled first, it came through and then all
Speaker 4: of a sudden it just died in the second inex
Speaker 4: because they had no grass on it. And that's when
Speaker 4: Victoria would come into his own.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, So did that become a bit of a
Speaker 1: like a play for your team? All right, Jerry's going
Speaker 1: to get out there, roll this thing into the core
Speaker 1: of the earth, and then Victoria is going to come
Speaker 1: out and turn it square?
Speaker 4: Well, was is it wrong that I produced a pitch
Speaker 4: that I then took six wickets on?
Speaker 3: You did?
Speaker 4: And yeah, and I wondered about that? Is that is
Speaker 4: that legitimate.
Speaker 1: Was there like a bump right at your leap that
Speaker 1: no one else knew about it?
Speaker 4: Actually, the actually was, But it was not something that
Speaker 4: I that I crafted, But I did know that you
Speaker 4: knew it was there. I did, But I don't know
Speaker 4: if I'm bowld from that end of the other end,
Speaker 4: But there were there was a little ridge in it.
Speaker 4: But but yeah, looking back on it now, I think,
Speaker 4: is that actually a little bit dodgy?
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't trying to be dodgy. That's just home
Speaker 1: filed advantage. I think, yeah, that's that's always been part
Speaker 1: of the Glane benefited from it, did he? Yeah, Glane
Speaker 1: benefited from it. Would he come steaming in off the
Speaker 1: long run?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Gane Gulane knew the right areas to bowlin on
Speaker 4: that pitch. Took a lot of wickets on that pitch.
Speaker 1: So for you, you're gonna have to go Richard Hadley,
Speaker 1: aren't you.
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I love Dan Vatory and I love
Speaker 4: what Dan Vatory did. Mensely proud of Davatory as a person.
Speaker 4: You know, it's that thing when you know someone as
Speaker 4: a kid, and I remember him as a fifteen year old,
Speaker 4: when you know someone as a fifteen year old, you
Speaker 4: know them for the rest of your life because you
Speaker 4: know their essence. And he's he's exactly the same. He
Speaker 4: is still a fifteen year.
Speaker 1: Old, the man who filled the nation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he's he's smart, he's funny, he's cheeky, he's
Speaker 4: a lot of fun and so I have a huge
Speaker 4: amount of love for him. But I know that he
Speaker 4: wouldn't He doesn't want to be a part of this. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Like I know, if I know him, I know that
Speaker 4: he would like me to vote him off. Yeah, right,
Speaker 4: because he don't want to be a part of it.
Speaker 4: He doesn't want to be doesn't want he wanted to
Speaker 4: notice him. I mean, if he got to play cricket,
Speaker 4: no one could have watched. Yeah, he would have been
Speaker 4: much happier.
Speaker 1: But he's also grown that sort of David Leedhiman post
Speaker 1: career long beard that that guys get when they're like,
Speaker 1: I'm sick of being in the public eye. I want
Speaker 1: to go full Gandalf and just not have anyone recognize me.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, he used to take his glasses off back
Speaker 4: in the day because he was you know, he wore
Speaker 4: glasses cricket and he'd go out without glasses.
Speaker 3: I don't think i'd recognize him.
Speaker 4: People didn't. People didn't used to recognize him. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: you know, now he's in a situation. I mean, I
Speaker 4: don't know how he goes in India. Now he walk
Speaker 4: around India. Everyone knows who he is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tall white guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's quite full on in that situation. He can't
Speaker 4: go to a place like India and be anonymous.
Speaker 1: It was funny you mentioned that some one of the
Speaker 1: comments on social media said dan Vttori. They're voting for
Speaker 1: Dan VATORI purely on the basis of him loading a
Speaker 1: couple of other players and his manner of the series
Speaker 1: lancer and ripping donuts on the field in India.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, was it India or Bangladesh? It was one
Speaker 4: of the two. Yeah, I feel like it may have
Speaker 4: been Bangladesh. That was the days where you could do
Speaker 4: anything on tour, because I didn't. I think the game
Speaker 4: was televised, but it may not have been televised into
Speaker 4: New Zealand. Yeah, taped Bangladish was like you might as
Speaker 4: well have played on the moon. And he got in
Speaker 4: that car and he really racked. There's no rules and
Speaker 4: nobody in Bangladish would even tell you off, and.
Speaker 1: I've heard he was. I think it was Scott Styrus
Speaker 1: and Stephen Fleming. I think we're in the car with
Speaker 1: him and they were just given him apes.
Speaker 4: It was handbrakes on the field and.
Speaker 1: It was to be honest, it was a pretty average
Speaker 1: car that he'd run, so it wasn't like a Lamborghini
Speaker 1: or anything totally. So yeah, I think so that you
Speaker 1: can go and cast your votes on that on social media,
Speaker 1: on Facebook, on Instagram. How do you like, I know
Speaker 1: what way you're voting. How do you think the public's
Speaker 1: going to say it?
Speaker 4: That'll be interesting. Well, a lot of people won't know
Speaker 4: who Richard Hendley is now. Yeah, I imagine I never
Speaker 4: saw him. Your generation didn't grow up watching him, and
Speaker 4: they didn't realize just how much better him and Martin
Speaker 4: Crowe were than everybody else in our team. I think
Speaker 4: that's everybody else. Yeah, Him and Martin Crowe were world
Speaker 4: class players and the rest of the team we're good players,
Speaker 4: but they just weren't world class. Yeah, and he genuinely
Speaker 4: got out world class batsman, Richard Handley, he was his quality.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, I really don't know which way this
Speaker 1: one's going to go. There's been a lot of landslides
Speaker 1: over the last week or so, but I think this
Speaker 1: one's going to come right down to it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you can you at home, can go and have your
Speaker 1: say on Facebook and see. We're going to take a
Speaker 1: quick break when we come back on a stick with
Speaker 1: cricket for a bit, as I want to know what
Speaker 1: the whole central contract situation is and means. It doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense to me, so we'll be right back
Speaker 1: after this quick at break. The news came out probably
Speaker 1: yesterday or over the weekend, Jerry, that Finnellen and Devin
Speaker 1: Conway are turning down central contracts from New Zealand Cricket.
Speaker 1: What does that actually mean? How does a contract thing work?
Speaker 4: How does a contract work?
Speaker 3: Well, it's never been offered one.
Speaker 4: It's an agreement between two parties where they write a
Speaker 4: whole lot of things on a piece of paper and
Speaker 4: decide on stuff because they don't trust each other. It's
Speaker 4: basically what it's light marriage, right, So I think that's
Speaker 4: the central contract. New Zealand Cricket offer you a certain
Speaker 4: amount of money and part of that is a central contract.
Speaker 4: You play a certain amount of games and you are,
Speaker 4: you're essentially playing for New Zealand and you do whatever
Speaker 4: New Zealand want you to do. But obviously that means
Speaker 4: that you only have certain windows that they decide where
Speaker 4: you can go overseas and play and teach twenty leagues.
Speaker 1: Basically, I think it's almost just the IPL.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is, and eventually you might have something new
Speaker 4: contract might says that you might be able to have
Speaker 4: another one somewhere along the line. I don't know. Every
Speaker 4: contract will be slightly different, but the Central not signing
Speaker 4: up to Central contract means you don't get the I
Speaker 4: think it's generally last time I locked, and that was
Speaker 4: a while ago. It's like two hundred and fifty three
Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars that you might get, and that everyone
Speaker 4: gets contracted to different amounts, but generally it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: two hundred thousand dollars whatever from New Zealand Cricket. That's
Speaker 4: like a retainer where they kind of own you. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and guys now obviously who are having lucrative contracts overseas
Speaker 4: in the OPL, they're like, well, I don't want to
Speaker 4: be bound by a New Zealian Cricket Central contract. That's right,
Speaker 4: because then I'm not going to be able to go
Speaker 4: and earn money somewhere else and I've only got this
Speaker 4: limited amount of time that i can earn money as
Speaker 4: a cricketer.
Speaker 1: So if the central contract's like a marriage, then what
Speaker 1: these guys are doing now is almost like a side piece,
Speaker 1: like yeah, when it suits me, I'll text you middle
Speaker 1: of the night, are you up yep? And then it's
Speaker 1: on yeah, and it'll be hot and passionate.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's everyone's dream, isn't it. But it's everyone's
Speaker 4: dream to not have a central contract, yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: but still be wanted.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: At the same time, well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you gotta have a thing about how New
Speaker 1: Zealand Cricket feels in this situation.
Speaker 3: You know, do they feel used.
Speaker 4: Well, you gotta say New Zealand Cricket spraying it around
Speaker 4: because they've they've got they're married to a lot of people,
Speaker 4: so they've got the choice of a lot of people.
Speaker 4: You know, as a player, you've only got the one. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they've got New Zealand Cricket. It's a little bit the
Speaker 4: New Zealand Cricket are asking a lot of players and
Speaker 4: the central contract system came from a time when cricket
Speaker 4: was different. I mean when there was no ipl there
Speaker 4: was no massive T twenty leagues all around the world.
Speaker 1: So what does it mean for these That doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that Fanellen and Conway won't get packed, right.
Speaker 4: It doesn't. It just means that they're free to do
Speaker 4: whatever they want. And then if they come back and say, hey,
Speaker 4: look you can pick me, I'm available for the series,
Speaker 4: the New Zealand Cricket can pack them. Whether they do
Speaker 4: or not is an interesting thing, and there's obviously politics
Speaker 4: that comes into play there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because of the entire team start doing stuff like that,
Speaker 1: which it looks like they're going to right, well, that
Speaker 1: causes problems for Usland cricket.
Speaker 4: Well, hold on, how do we build a team? How
Speaker 4: do we build a squad when we don't know if
Speaker 4: these guys are going to be around in a year's
Speaker 4: time or two years time? Because he's only cricket success
Speaker 4: has always been based around clarity, and clarity is not
Speaker 4: the right word, like loyalty, heal, like selection, basically just
Speaker 4: making the same.
Speaker 3: I can't think of that, that's right, No, I know
Speaker 3: what you mean.
Speaker 1: It takes players so long to break into the team
Speaker 1: because they stick with the same players, the selections are
Speaker 1: the same continuity of selection.
Speaker 4: That's probably a better way to do yet, and so
Speaker 4: that's always and in building a team, because there's such
Speaker 4: a big jump between domestic cricket and international cricket that
Speaker 4: that for guys to you can't sort of be coming
Speaker 4: between domestic and international just every now and then. It's like,
Speaker 4: once you're an international cricket then you can kind of
Speaker 4: focus on such a massive step up and the questions
Speaker 4: are you good enough to take the step up? Because
Speaker 4: you can, you can, you can work really really hard
Speaker 4: on your game and I'm a good domestic player. Can
Speaker 4: you take the step up to international cricket though, because
Speaker 4: that's going to require a whole lot more, Which was
Speaker 4: also the theory around a lot of players that you
Speaker 4: talk to have played for New Zealand, really good players.
Speaker 4: They're all like they don't necessarily the guys who end
Speaker 4: up playing for New Zealand, and not always the guys
Speaker 4: who have worked really really hard to get there. There
Speaker 4: are often guys who have got there because they're really talented,
Speaker 4: and then people know that they've got what it takes
Speaker 4: if they now have to work hard well, now that
Speaker 4: they've got there on their talent. Now they work hard,
Speaker 4: they're going to do really, really well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's quite an interesting philosophy.
Speaker 4: It's different for the sports.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always found cricket to be the one where,
Speaker 1: like God, that looks like the hardest yaker, Like you
Speaker 1: might toil away in the domestic leagues till you're thirty
Speaker 1: and then get like two caps and that's your career.
Speaker 1: There's just no certainty. It's so hard to break into
Speaker 1: that top team and so much luck. I mean, you
Speaker 1: could be going great guns and you could be doing
Speaker 1: everything you possibly can. You're training well, you're hitting the.
Speaker 4: Ball beautifully at practice, whatever, and you go out as
Speaker 4: an opening batsman. Your team, your your captain, loses the toss.
Speaker 4: It's a green seemer and you get put into bat
Speaker 4: overhead conditions and not favoring you. They might be overcast
Speaker 4: or something, the balls moving around. You come up against
Speaker 4: a bowler who might be an ornary bowler, but then
Speaker 4: just on their day they put.
Speaker 1: The ball on the right spot in the former lot
Speaker 1: and neck.
Speaker 4: Someone takes a great catch. I mean, you haven't done
Speaker 4: a lot wrong, and all of a sudden you got
Speaker 4: out for first ball duck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just your first time seeing Bomra. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what he's supposed to know? Does luck involved? So cricket's
Speaker 1: a weird game like that.
Speaker 3: I think that too.
Speaker 1: When we talk about, oh, he's not a great player
Speaker 1: of spin over in the subcontinent, it's like, how do
Speaker 1: you know? We haven't been there for two years. He
Speaker 1: wasn't in that team, so it's been four years since
Speaker 1: you've seen that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can say that a blanket about all New
Speaker 4: Zealand cricketers. Yeah, all New Zealand crickets are not great
Speaker 4: players of spin and the subcontinent are. No international players
Speaker 4: really are that great? Are playing spin on the sub
Speaker 4: A couple of Australians who can do it, but generally
Speaker 4: not many.
Speaker 1: Because unless a heavily stoned Jeremy Wells has been on
Speaker 1: the roller or.
Speaker 3: Not, you're just not going to see that much turn mate.
Speaker 4: I mean when you when you see some of those
Speaker 4: tests in India and it's turning square on day one, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, what do you meant to do and you
Speaker 4: don't get those conditions in New Zealand. You can't practice
Speaker 4: in those sorts of conditions.
Speaker 1: You can't create them. Now, and just quickly to finish
Speaker 1: off on cricket. I talked to Heath about it yesterday.
Speaker 1: The Black des Caps tour of OZ confirmed four tests
Speaker 1: and twenty six twenty seven.
Speaker 3: Why they announced them so far out?
Speaker 4: When is twenty six twenty seven? So it's not that
Speaker 4: like next century or when it's.
Speaker 3: Not last summer. It's not next summer.
Speaker 4: It's not even the summer after that, is it? So
Speaker 4: this is twenty four to twenty five coming up now,
Speaker 4: then we've got twenty five twenty six, then we've got
Speaker 4: twenty six twenty seven, so that on three summers away.
Speaker 1: Three years away. Oh man, we may not have any
Speaker 1: of the same players.
Speaker 4: I can't even I can't even think two summers are here.
Speaker 4: That's crazy. But I guess what that does do as
Speaker 4: it does signal for New Zealand cricket fans that they
Speaker 4: can say to their partners, I'm going away for the
Speaker 4: Boxing Day Test and three years time and everyone, every
Speaker 4: partner will sign that off now because it doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: You can't see that far.
Speaker 4: And then later on when it comes to the thing,
Speaker 4: remember that thing that I said three years ago, three.
Speaker 1: Years ago about this, so don't act surprise now I
Speaker 1: reckon it's.
Speaker 4: The only reason they're announcing it. But that'll be huge.
Speaker 4: I went to the last one where we got smashed. Yeah,
Speaker 4: really hard place to play cricket Australia, really hard place
Speaker 4: to turn one, especially on Boxing Day at the MCG.
Speaker 4: But but I'm a massive crowd. But that'll be it'll
Speaker 4: be huge. I'll be there, Yeah, I'll be there. I've
Speaker 4: locked at him with the partner.
Speaker 3: Oh you've already said that.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. As soon as they hit the announcement, I texted
Speaker 4: Tozzy immediately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're going to dig that text out in
Speaker 1: three years total screenshot at it. Yeah, but they come
Speaker 1: around quickly. So has the This is a segue, by
Speaker 1: the way, if it does your planet home. So has
Speaker 1: the America's Cup. The preliminary regatta starts on Thursday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you can believe that. Then next week they have
Speaker 1: the Louison Cup and that decides who races us for
Speaker 1: the America's Cup. That's right, which starts in like October.
Speaker 1: Why is saying why do we have such a hard
Speaker 1: on for the America's Cup in New Zealand.
Speaker 4: Well, it's a historical thing, isn't it. But dates back
Speaker 4: to Michael Fay and the Plastic Fantastic The nineteen eighty
Speaker 4: six nineteen eighty seven challenge is that the mantle still
Speaker 4: down at the it's the big boat.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Then we went through all that nonsense with the Big
Speaker 4: Boat and all those crazy challenges in the late eighties.
Speaker 4: I think the Big Boat was nineteen eighty eight, right
Speaker 4: when Michael Faye, Michael Faye, very wealthy man, decided that
Speaker 4: he would go to New York and challenge the New
Speaker 4: York Yacht Club and found some legal loophole which said
Speaker 4: that the yacht club had to accept the challenge from
Speaker 4: a syndicate.
Speaker 3: That's so sailing.
Speaker 4: We put together this giant boat. New York Club put
Speaker 4: together a catamaran absolutely with Dennis Connor. Yeah, and just
Speaker 4: completely destroyed us. And then we kind of claimed that
Speaker 4: they were cheating, but we went to the court in
Speaker 4: the first place. Anyway.
Speaker 3: That's compet it's so sailing.
Speaker 1: There's always a law suits involved, there's like court, there's
Speaker 1: like trademarks and patterns.
Speaker 3: That's the latest headline.
Speaker 1: One of the teams is going another team about the
Speaker 1: fiber that they've made their mesh out of that covers
Speaker 1: one of the holes and it's like you've got a
Speaker 1: honeycomb pattern there. Now, we agreed that it was only
Speaker 1: going to be you know, Octagones, but you've gone honeycomb.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think it's it's I mean, it's the oldest
Speaker 4: prize in the world, is it. Yeah, it's the oldest
Speaker 4: cup in the world, the America's Cup, and it means
Speaker 4: a lot. It's hard to win. It took I mean
Speaker 4: I think England had it and then America took it,
Speaker 4: and then England never got it back, so it was
Speaker 4: really hard to win. And when Australia too won it
Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty two, that was massive. They had a
Speaker 4: wing Keel Alan Bond put together that challenge and that
Speaker 4: was amazing that they took it out of America because
Speaker 4: nobody thought that would ever happen. I mean, it wasn't
Speaker 4: called the America's Cup. It was only called that because
Speaker 4: they couldn't get it out of America, right, And then
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, all these rich guys around the
Speaker 4: world went, oh, hold on, this is quite fun. This
Speaker 4: is something to spend my money on, and this is
Speaker 4: a massive challenge for people who love challenges. And so
Speaker 4: now it's still the same way. You've got billionaires going
Speaker 4: against each other, and.
Speaker 1: Then our team is called Emirates. Yeah, there's like the Prada,
Speaker 1: Gucci Vesaci a lingy boat as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally. And is Oracle still going?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's having a look at the team names.
Speaker 4: Okay, so do we get to go I don't know
Speaker 4: how it is this time around, but do we get
Speaker 4: to go on the Louis Do we go on the
Speaker 4: Louis Vuitton even though we're in part of the Defender series?
Speaker 4: Do we also get to sail in the Louis Vuitton
Speaker 4: because they used to?
Speaker 1: I did say that all teams are sailed in the
Speaker 1: louisdon the preliminary regatta, but I don't know whether that
Speaker 1: included us or not.
Speaker 4: Okay, if you sort of want to do that, when't
Speaker 4: you so you can you can actually practice?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I've always said, if you know how, whoever's
Speaker 1: hosting it, and technically we are despite it being over
Speaker 1: in Spain, they get to decide what the boat's going to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they do, and then everyone else has to sort of fall.
Speaker 3: In line with that.
Speaker 1: Well, why don't we stack the deck entirely in our
Speaker 1: favor and go Wakahama and we're cool. We have the
Speaker 1: full like you know, not the Wakahama club.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 3: Cool, Yeah, why not because I dare say Switzerland wouldn't
Speaker 3: be able to keep up with us.
Speaker 4: No, useless, No, that's that's not about cool, I think.
Speaker 4: But part of it. Now you've got it. There's a
Speaker 4: delicate balancing act because of sale GP now too. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so there's a delicate balancing inc between making sure that
Speaker 4: you win it and making it so other syndicates want
Speaker 4: to still be involved in it because this is like
Speaker 4: this little dangling carrots.
Speaker 1: Right, you have to leave the door open just a
Speaker 1: little bit because it's so because it's such a rich
Speaker 1: guy sport, and it's very rich guy to stack the
Speaker 1: deck entirely in your favors and no one.
Speaker 3: Else even has a sniff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: But it's like playing a game with like one of
Speaker 1: your little cousins. If you want to play, you know,
Speaker 1: backyard cricket and your nephew is the only one who
Speaker 1: could bowl to you.
Speaker 3: You can't just cart.
Speaker 1: Him around the neighborhood, no, because he's going to stop
Speaker 1: bowling to Well, that's.
Speaker 4: It's totally yeah, So this will be an interesting one
Speaker 4: because I don't know, I don't know anything in the
Speaker 4: lead up to it. I don't know how we've been going.
Speaker 4: I mean, ultimately, it generally just comes down to who's
Speaker 4: got the fastest boat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I guess that's why that's the everyone necessar
Speaker 1: sailed the same boat, because otherwise to just be who's
Speaker 1: the richest.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but even then, like the fastest boat, but they're
Speaker 4: still slightly different. Yeah, there'll be some little tiny little thing.
Speaker 1: That's how we that's how you know how many years
Speaker 1: ago it was when we were up by eleven races
Speaker 1: or something and then they came.
Speaker 4: Back and how amazing was that sped? All? That was amazing? Cock.
Speaker 4: So what happens if we because you seem to know
Speaker 4: a lot about America's company, what happens if we defend us?
Speaker 4: Like do we bring it back to New Zealand or
Speaker 4: do we take it on the road again?
Speaker 1: Well, I think if we win this, Russell Kurtz and
Speaker 1: just Cinder our durn' gonna have this ever mma fight
Speaker 1: about whether it comes back to New Zealand or not.
Speaker 3: It seemed to be what was happening last time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like we'll only do it if the
Speaker 1: government gives us X amount of funding And then government's like,
Speaker 1: why would we give you any funding for this? Yeah,
Speaker 1: then fuck you will take it somewhere else.
Speaker 4: I think I want to. I like it when it's
Speaker 4: in New Zealand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, think it should be if we're defending it, it
Speaker 1: should be our right. Yeah, to just feel like, look
Speaker 1: we're doing it. But you know, like I said before,
Speaker 1: such a rich guy sport. There's lawyers involved.
Speaker 4: Well, there's rich guys sport unless it's New Zealand. Yeah, right,
Speaker 4: we're like the least rich. Well yeah, but still the government.
Speaker 4: We're the only country there's the government that funds the syndicon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's what makes me make it feel makes
Speaker 1: it feel like a rich guy's sport because it's like,
Speaker 1: what are the sports lobbying the government about?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a big man of tourism and yeah it's
Speaker 4: the rich people bring their boats over here and all
Speaker 4: that sort of crap.
Speaker 1: I don't think it will have I think if we
Speaker 1: I think the president's been set now, it's going to
Speaker 1: be hosted in you know, some somewhere else Mediterranean city.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well there's.
Speaker 4: Miles away New Zealand is in the New Zealand's so
Speaker 4: far away from moving it is we forget because we
Speaker 4: live here. Yeah, but we're a long way away from
Speaker 4: most of them.
Speaker 3: Were not even on most maps.
Speaker 4: No, and we're miles away from Australia, and Australia is
Speaker 4: miles away from the rest of the world.
Speaker 1: Having said all of that, they are there's a sport
Speaker 1: raced on yachts, so like they have a way of
Speaker 1: getting here. I would understand that, although they used to
Speaker 1: have to, you know that, So the.
Speaker 4: Boat used to have to get across the Atlantic and
Speaker 4: then it was the same boat that would then have
Speaker 4: to go on the match racing. It was like, no wonder,
Speaker 4: you'd never win.
Speaker 1: That living on it bloody Atlantic and living on it
Speaker 1: for six months.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was shitting off the bow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's what I mean, Like, i'd understand if
Speaker 1: you know that, if one didn't want to come down,
Speaker 1: how do you drive your car across?
Speaker 3: The sailors have gotten I love your logic.
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Speaker 2: Guys should get behind it. At the seventy seventh minute
Speaker 2: and the seventy seventh second.
Speaker 4: The cloud of the crowd standing ovation to the end
Speaker 4: of the game.
Speaker 1: For Shawnee J.
Speaker 2: It's logical thing to happen.
Speaker 4: It makes sense.
Speaker 1: Don't argue with me about it. Make happen seven seven, seven, seventh, seventh.
Speaker 4: I like seventy seventh minute, in the seventy seventh second,
Speaker 4: there's not seventy seven seconds in a minute, So did
Speaker 4: that work? That would go back into the seventy eighth minute,
Speaker 4: seventeen seconds into that.
Speaker 1: You're asking them the Warriors faithful to do a lot
Speaker 1: of mats at the ground, and that far into the
Speaker 1: game they're going to be a few diesels in by
Speaker 1: that stage.
Speaker 4: I think the beginning of the game they wouldn't be
Speaker 4: able to do that.
Speaker 3: Man now maybe the seventh minute.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Did you see the renaming Mount Smart
Speaker 1: Stadium Shawn Johnson Stadium for whatever that means.
Speaker 4: I don't know how I feel about that. I always
Speaker 4: find that's a bit weird. I think great player shawne.
Speaker 4: J obviously played for the club forever, Yeah, massively, you know,
Speaker 4: a great a great servant for the game, good guy
Speaker 4: and done a huge amount. But I just always think
Speaker 4: renaming grounds, you're not one week, You're not renaming the ground. No,
Speaker 4: it's not true. You're just you're just saying that the
Speaker 4: name of the person when you say the grounds. I
Speaker 4: find that weird, so do I.
Speaker 1: It's the biggest lip service. You don't get to decide
Speaker 1: what the ground is called. It's called Mount Smart you
Speaker 1: know it? Well, I mean I know something else, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's called Go Go Hard Stadium or whatever?
Speaker 4: Go media as well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, Oh media is that called?
Speaker 4: What was it? Ericson Q and stadium? I don't know
Speaker 4: ericson Stadium anyway. It's been called lots of things. Yeah,
Speaker 4: a shudder, it's been called a shit. It's a bit
Speaker 4: of a shudder.
Speaker 3: Hard to get to. I'll give you that it's very
Speaker 3: hard to get to. I would say that the once
Speaker 3: you're there it's great.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're in the half of industrial Penrose.
Speaker 4: There's a a I don't know, it's just faces a
Speaker 4: particular way, which means that there's a sol westerly which
Speaker 4: just whips through there. Yeah again, so Westy whips read
Speaker 4: and pat too. Where's not whep through?
Speaker 3: Well, that's right, I did.
Speaker 1: I have talked to players for the Warriors who are
Speaker 1: from Australia who have said the reason that the Warriors
Speaker 1: can't sign Australian players is because when you come here
Speaker 1: from Ozzie, you stay near the airport and then you
Speaker 1: drive from the airport through industrial South Auckland Mount Smart
Speaker 1: Stadium and then back again. You're like, fuck, that's it.
Speaker 4: Past the tippet worry. It's it's not a it's not
Speaker 4: a glamorous drive, No, it's not. And it's a hard
Speaker 4: place to get ubers for some reason. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: It's a nightmare.
Speaker 4: Yeah, at least you can, at least with Mount Smart,
Speaker 4: you can put on a hiver's vest and just stand
Speaker 4: outside one of those small businesses and pretend that it's yours.
Speaker 4: And charge people to park in there. At least you
Speaker 4: can do that.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they ask for your keys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the home of the entrepreneurial spirit. I like
Speaker 4: that part of it.
Speaker 1: Can we just hold onto your keys because because sometimes
Speaker 1: we have to move cars?
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. There's no fucking way I'm giving you my keys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but good on Shawney j Yeah. And I saw
Speaker 4: him last night on the news on one News, and
Speaker 4: he was he's very emotional about I know, he's a
Speaker 4: guy that's actually very deep down and he's a bit
Speaker 4: of a soft and he's an emotional dude, and I
Speaker 4: could I could see it last night. This means a
Speaker 4: lot to him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree with you. I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to watching that final home game as well.
Speaker 3: I think I'll be on the.
Speaker 1: Mett Jerry Show on Friday. Julane usually puts a punt
Speaker 1: on your shows.
Speaker 4: There are he does?
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the tip yep. I'm thinking Seawan Johnson to score.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, he played well last week, I thought,
Speaker 4: and he scored. Yeah, he scored.
Speaker 1: But like every player on the field is going to
Speaker 1: be like, let's get Sean Johnson to try.
Speaker 4: Yeah, why have people not been when Shawn Johnson scored
Speaker 4: that try, was like, it made me realize, why have
Speaker 4: people not been running off Eden Vanoa Blake all season?
Speaker 1: If I played for the Warriors, that is all I'd
Speaker 1: be doing. Let's be hanging out the back of Edin
Speaker 1: Vanoa Blake.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean the guy has not once gone backwards, it
Speaker 4: will been driven backwards in a tackle the entire year.
Speaker 3: He's never been tackled onto his back.
Speaker 4: No, he just he's got beautiful feet. Man. He's going
Speaker 4: to be a huge loss.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he is going to be a massive loss.
Speaker 1: Like you don't really although we are replacing him with
Speaker 1: James Fisher Harris.
Speaker 3: You know that swings in roundabouts.
Speaker 4: That's true. But James Fisher Harrison coming to a different
Speaker 4: time in his career, isn't.
Speaker 1: He maybe about the same age as like Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that'd be up there with sort of two of the
Speaker 1: top three four props in the game. So I was
Speaker 1: saying when the when they were first announced that Adan
Speaker 1: Vanoa Blake's leaving, I was like, there should be a
Speaker 1: trade window and the only player I'd trade him for
Speaker 1: would be James Fisher Harris. And months later got my
Speaker 1: Wish so okay.
Speaker 4: But you say that James Fisher Harris better defense, bitter,
Speaker 4: slightly better defensively, not quite as good with the.
Speaker 1: Ball, not like this year and last year Ad and
Speaker 1: Fanoa black Smith's scoring tries, which for a props kind
Speaker 1: of rear.
Speaker 3: I would say it's.
Speaker 1: An if at level thing, or like a kre thing
Speaker 1: like Edit Vanoa Blake. It just doesn't seem the body
Speaker 1: language seems like he just doesn't really care, like he's
Speaker 1: always been so much better than everyone else. He'll sort
Speaker 1: of wander around the field and when he's got the ball,
Speaker 1: he'll smash you, and on defense he will put a
Speaker 1: head on you. But like other than that, he's sort
Speaker 1: of strolling around. I feel like James Fisher Harris is
Speaker 1: gonna install a bit of monner into the team, which
Speaker 1: I think is the direction the club needs to go.
Speaker 1: I'd also be pissed off of us Jess Deevanger. This
Speaker 1: is his last game at at Mount Smart Stadium as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they're not even renaming a stand for him, No,
Speaker 1: they don't. Even Fritz's Wieners can't get rebranded to essenas.
Speaker 4: I saw him last night on the news when he
Speaker 4: had here when he first started playing.
Speaker 1: Yeah freaky Yeah. It was like we were looking at
Speaker 1: photos of Lee Heart when he had here the other day. Anyway,
Speaker 1: let's knock listening on the head. Thank you very much
Speaker 1: for joining me this morning, Jerry, thank you, min I,
Speaker 1: and I'll see you on Friday for the old just
Speaker 1: the tip, beautiful beauty.
Speaker 3: Cheers man.
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