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Speaker 1: Your trusted source for news and views, the Mic Hosking

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Speaker 2: Togs Head been billing and welcome today more money to

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Speaker 2: help teachers with the new math's curriculum. We've got a

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Speaker 2: free trade deal with the UAE that's been done in

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Speaker 2: record time. Transpower tell us all about the pylons that

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Speaker 2: fall over and what they make of the report. Mark Manson,

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Speaker 2: you know the name subtle art of not giving an

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Speaker 2: f He's back with us after eight Rod does the UK.

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Speaker 2: Joe McKenna is in Italy for us as well, asking

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Speaker 2: now it is seven past six. Officially charter schools are back.

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Speaker 2: The third reading of the bill passed yesterday. That means

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Speaker 2: it's now law and we stand by, I guess for

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Speaker 2: round two of an idea that one should never have

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Speaker 2: been killed off in the first place, because two ideology,

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Speaker 2: for too long is stood in the way of good

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Speaker 2: education in this country. The irony, or at least one

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Speaker 2: of the ironies, of the re emergence of charter schools

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Speaker 2: is that the education system is now worse than it

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Speaker 2: was when they were first introduced. It was pretty bad

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Speaker 2: back then. It still amazes me that we can have

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Speaker 2: the statistics we have on schooling and somehow defend them

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Speaker 2: as acceptable, And even those who rightly don't defend them

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Speaker 2: as acceptable because they aren't. They then somehow still defend

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Speaker 2: the status quo if only it had more money, And

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Speaker 2: that's education in this country. Isn't it performing poorly and

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Speaker 2: the sole solution is always less teacher time and more money.

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Speaker 2: Charter schools are not for everybody. They don't claim to be.

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Speaker 2: All they claim to be is a recognition that a

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Speaker 2: one stop shop is not the only way to do things,

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Speaker 2: and a one stop shop does not fit all because

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Speaker 2: it indisputably doesn't. Few aspects of our lives revolve around

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Speaker 2: no choice markets and things, whether services or goods, evolve

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Speaker 2: based on demand. Our needs vary. Why is it's so

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Speaker 2: hard to understand that it's no different in schools. I

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Speaker 2: hated school personally. My guess is I probably would have

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Speaker 2: achieved more in a different environment. Communities and he is

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Speaker 2: an irony one of the biggest fans of charter schools.

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Speaker 2: You know who, Mari. Communities no better than the Ministry

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Speaker 2: of Education. Not every bright idea comes out of Wellington.

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Speaker 2: Charter schools are held to account in attendance, finances and results,

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Speaker 2: and indeed in a more rigorous way than the public schools.

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Speaker 2: The demand outstripped supply on application. Put simply, if they work,

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Speaker 2: if there is a demand, if some kids prosper, how

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Speaker 2: can you possibly talk them down.

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Speaker 1: News of the world in ninety seconds right, the.

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Speaker 2: War still full of heat and bombs. Israel once again

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Speaker 2: point out that there after the weapons, and those weapons

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Speaker 2: are often in people's living room.

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Speaker 3: Images have proven that Resbela are hiding arms caches inside

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Speaker 3: civilian homes. We see secondary explosions of Resbela weapons stockpiles, munitions,

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Speaker 3: long range cruise missiles, drones, rocket launchers.

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Speaker 2: By now, just about every government has told these citizens

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Speaker 2: to get out of Lebanon. Easier said than done.

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Speaker 4: Well, we've been struggled with the airlines because only Middle

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Speaker 4: East is running my flight, Why it was yesterday, so

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Speaker 4: I have to cancel, not myself, the airlines, they cancel

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Speaker 4: all the flight apart from Middle East, and middlest has

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Speaker 4: got fully voted.

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Speaker 2: The Iranians have widened with their theory by dragging others

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Speaker 2: into the conflict, they could expand the world probably bring.

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Speaker 5: The United States in and change the dynamics of the situation.

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Speaker 2: Sakias left Britain his conference and various donation scandals to

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Speaker 2: travel to New York too. Might the usual play.

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Speaker 6: We need a political route which provides a bridge to

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Speaker 6: a better future, a credible and irreversible path towards a

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Speaker 6: viable Palestinian state alongside a safe and secure state of Israel.

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Speaker 2: Zelenski's also there, but talking about a different war. Do

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Speaker 2: not divide the world.

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Speaker 7: I ask the same of you.

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Speaker 8: Do not divide the world, be united nations.

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Speaker 2: And then to the markets, where Americans working through the

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Speaker 2: dichotomy of watching the market state records and yet their

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Speaker 2: back pockets don't seem any fuller.

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Speaker 9: The FED cut has made a difference, and I think

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Speaker 9: that we now with that latest consumer data yesterday, now

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Speaker 9: traders are potentially pricing in another fifty basis point cut,

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Speaker 9: which is even more than people were expecting a few

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Speaker 9: weeks ago, and that does give stocks a boost.

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Speaker 2: Yes, finally we have our color of the year, and

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Speaker 2: now it comes to us from PPG. They owned you

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Speaker 2: Lux among many other brands around the world, They've decided

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Speaker 2: this year it's purple basil. It's a refreshingly bold, yet soothing,

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Speaker 2: dusty violet hue that represents adaptability in times of change.

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Speaker 2: It's picked by a dozens of experts and takes into

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Speaker 2: account the social, the culturally political dynamics that influenced trends worldwide.

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Speaker 2: It describes it as an elegant color that is warm

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Speaker 2: enough to be inviting, but cool enough to create an

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Speaker 2: air of mystery, while the tension between red and blue

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Speaker 2: and parts of kinetic energy. I went and looked it

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Speaker 2: up and there's a beautiful shot of It's a lounge,

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Speaker 2: come snug, come study that they've done it, and it's

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Speaker 2: absolutely very Ralph Laurence, shut up about verb, very very

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Speaker 2: Ralph lauren vibes. Anyway, it's a step up from last year,

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Speaker 2: which was called Limitless. That was a honey beige.

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Speaker 10: Oh I love that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So wh role in ninety zero the bloke who

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Speaker 2: I told you about the other day, who won the

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Speaker 2: presidential election in Sri Lanka Desaniaka. Anyway, first thing he's

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Speaker 2: done is dissolve parliament. Two hundred and twenty five memb

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Speaker 2: of Parliament gone and dissolved that snap elections on fourteenth

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Speaker 2: of November. What I didn't know at the time I

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Speaker 2: told you he won the election was he's run before

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Speaker 2: and last time he got three percent. This time he's

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Speaker 2: run the whole thing. And one the other thing he's

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Speaker 2: doing is trying to renegotiate the two point nine billion

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Speaker 2: dollar bail art deal with the IMF. So that's a

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Speaker 2: man all a mission. So we'll we'll keep watch twelve

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Speaker 2: past six.

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Speaker 2: You think Starmer's in trouble and we'll have more on

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Speaker 2: that later on. The Greens are in real trouble in Germany.

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Speaker 2: Their two leaders all Green Party seem to have two

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Speaker 2: leaders these days, Nudapour and Lang not that that matters.

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Speaker 2: They both quit overnight because of these regional elections. They've

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Speaker 2: got done like a dinner. They're part of the coalition

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Speaker 2: the government, of course, so they got to find a

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Speaker 2: couple of leaders. So that's unfolding as we speak. Fifteen

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Speaker 2: past six, Ye talking JMI Wealth Andrew Keller had good.

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Speaker 11: More Good morning, Mike, I love you love Fonterras, Yeah,

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Speaker 11: Fonterra and results and look before we look at some

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Speaker 11: of the detail. Mic I did want to make the

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Speaker 11: comment that how good is it to be talking effusively

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Speaker 11: about it Fonterra. I mean, yeah, you don't have to

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Speaker 11: cast your mind back sort of too far to recall,

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Speaker 11: you know, poor capital allocation, underperforming offshore investments, balance sheet problems,

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Speaker 11: management issues. So New Zealand Bigness, biggest business, it's in

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Speaker 11: a different place now, and that, mic, is cause for celebration,

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Speaker 11: isn't it good?

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Speaker 2: Agree more? And I would any credence to Miles Hurrying

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Speaker 2: for doing all of that.

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Speaker 11: Well you have to, Miles, you have to. So yeah, yesterday,

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Speaker 11: So just looking at some of the detail announced yesterday,

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Speaker 11: strong results of net profit one point one billion dollars.

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Speaker 11: Balance sheet is in very good shape. So some of

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Speaker 11: that strategic those directions that have been taken by the

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Speaker 11: now current management and board has effectively contributed to that

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Speaker 11: balance sheet health net debt two point six billion dollars.

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Speaker 11: Now it sounds an awful lot, but it is. It's

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Speaker 11: a very big company. So the market tends to look

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Speaker 11: at the comparison of the debt to the earnings, and

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Speaker 11: on that metric, I think it's the lowest it's ever been.

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Speaker 11: So balance sheet is in fine fettle. The dividend the

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Speaker 11: announced final divdent yesterday of twenty five cents plus a

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Speaker 11: special dividend of fifteen cents, so total for the fifty

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Speaker 11: five cents it was fifty last year fifty five cents.

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Speaker 11: I also think that's the second largest dividend since Fonterra

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Speaker 11: was formed. Look profit is a little lower than twenty

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Speaker 11: twenty three, but overall performance looks good. Guidance for earnings

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Speaker 11: next year forty to sixty cents per share, so that's

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Speaker 11: a similar performance to twenty twenty four forecast. Farm gate

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Speaker 11: milk payot has been lifted, so further cause for cheer

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Speaker 11: for farmers. It's been lifted by fifty cents, so midpoint

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Speaker 11: of the twenty five year financier forecast is now nine

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Speaker 11: dollars per kilogram milk solids. The twenty twenty four year

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Speaker 11: pay it has now been finalized at seven dollars eighty

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Speaker 11: three a kilogram of milk solids. There's sort of an

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Speaker 11: structural tension there in the industry. No updates yesterday, and

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Speaker 11: what's happening with the sale of their consumer division. We

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Speaker 11: expect to hear something soon. They are making an announcement

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Speaker 11: and strategy next week. We wait that with interest. Sort

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Speaker 11: of Fonterra much now in this sort of this sort

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Speaker 11: of good news cycle of announcements. So it's been a

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Speaker 11: significant turnaround. Business looks in better shape, and you know,

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Speaker 11: the business landscape in New Zealand, parts of agri do

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Speaker 11: stand out, don't they when you compare them to retail

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Speaker 11: or manufacturing construction. So yeah, positive, we like that good

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Speaker 2: Indeed, speaking of retail K m D. My read of

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Speaker 2: Is that fair?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, there are there are little there are green shoots.

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Speaker 11: That's the That's the cliche, isn't it. There are green shoots.

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Speaker 11: So result yesterday, Look, I did see a broker comment

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Speaker 11: the result was well signaled to the market. Sales down

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Speaker 11: eleven just over eleven percent. In terms of new news.

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Speaker 11: The Oh Boss business this is the American hiking footwear brand,

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Speaker 11: which I don't think it's very well known in New Zealand.

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Speaker 11: But they've taken a forty million dollar impairment against that business,

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Speaker 11: and that's due to their view on US wholesale market conditions,

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Speaker 11: which is telling no final dividend. I think the market

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Speaker 11: will be interested in those trading For the first eight

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Speaker 11: weeks the financial year, Australia was actually up up two percent.

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Speaker 11: Now New Zealand was down twenty three percent, but I

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Speaker 11: think there's an issue there with comparing it to strong

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Speaker 11: clearance sales at the same time last year. We can

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Speaker 11: looking through the detail see evidence of less discounting. Now,

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Speaker 11: we do know that retail in New Zealand in general

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Speaker 11: has been trying to reduce inventory, so we're looking for

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Speaker 11: evidence that that's fading. You possibly see that there, But

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Speaker 11: there are some positive smike sales trends are improving. Their

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Speaker 11: margin has been quite resilient, so that's good. They're managing

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Speaker 11: their operating expense as well, which is good. They really

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Speaker 11: just do need to see a stronger underlying operating environment,

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Speaker 11: and they're also facing some reasonably strong competition from Macpak.

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Speaker 11: Share price remains in what I would call a subdued state,

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Speaker 11: but yeah, there are some pockets of light there.

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Speaker 2: Type say, what are the numbers?

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Speaker 11: So the Dow Jones is under a little bit of pressure,

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Speaker 11: just about two thirds of percent two hundred and seventy

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Speaker 11: two points forty one, nine hundred and thirty four, the

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Speaker 11: S and P five hundreds down ten points five seven

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Speaker 11: two to two, and the Nasdaq down eleven points eighteen

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Speaker 11: thousand and sixty three overnight. Small loss for the foots

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Speaker 11: of one hundred forteen points eight two six eight. Also

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Speaker 11: a small loss for the nickey. It was down point

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Speaker 13: When people hear this, did they tell you you're nuts?

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Speaker 2: Be the funniest story. It could only come out of Italy.

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Speaker 2: So the Monmouth University polling Harris forty seven, Trump forty five.

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Speaker 2: How about their apples twenty three to seven from the

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Speaker 2: Infrastructure Commissioner on one our future will costs. As it stands,

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Speaker 2: we got assets worth about two hundred and eighty seven

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Speaker 2: GDP is needed. The Infrastructure Commission's Acting General Manager of Strategy,

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Speaker 2: Peter Nuns, is with us on all this.

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Speaker 14: Peter morning, gooday Mike, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Not at all am I being slightly weird and suggesting

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Speaker 14: Well, we can think about what we have more and

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Speaker 15: Right.

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Speaker 2: So I couldn't agree with you more. And I'm glad

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Speaker 2: get it, We've got it. Let's keep it up to speed.

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Speaker 2: I've got all of that. Yesterday I'm reading a report.

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Speaker 2: Did you see business cases for large roading projects disconnected

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Speaker 2: in that particular area maintenance, we're useless if we're useless.

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Speaker 2: Do we have any hope?

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Speaker 14: I think we need to recognize that the challenges that

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Speaker 14: to say. But what that highlights is the challenges that

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Speaker 2: How do we because I'm increasingly coming to the conclusion

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Speaker 14: I mean people see this in their homes, right, you

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Speaker 5: Blow?

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Speaker 14: Significant? That being said, what we can do in this

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Speaker 14: geotechnical investigations. We need to get some people to design

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was part of the story I read yesterday. See,

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Speaker 14: Yeah, Yeah, And I think that we've got when we

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Speaker 14: value we're getting from those investigating investigation processes. Right, some

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Speaker 14: of that money will be well spent because we're dealing

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Speaker 14: with major issues. Spending a few million dollars up front

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Speaker 14: can be good money, right, just in terms of understanding

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Speaker 14: You can save yourself money if you if you run

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Speaker 2: that's not a lesson for Fonterra as it sells off

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Speaker 2: who when they don't like what's going on in business circles,

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Speaker 2: cost to consumers, either by raising prices or reducing quality

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Speaker 2: of service. As a result, Visa's unlawful conduct affects not

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Speaker 2: just the price of one thing, but the price of

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Speaker 2: nearly everything. See in Court six forty five.

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Speaker 12: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 12: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 2: Baily Time, Joe mcckennon, Morning, Good Money man. I would

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Speaker 2: imagine this confession thing, and I'm not sure how many

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Speaker 2: people have followed it has been fascinated to watch. So

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Speaker 2: the guy confesses about murdering his mother. I'm assuming this

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Speaker 2: is blown up.

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Speaker 8: Well it has. Actually it's a bit of an ethics

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Speaker 8: role in Italy because Lorenzo Carbone, fifty year old, made

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Speaker 8: his confession under duress outside his home up in a

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Speaker 8: small town near Moderna in the Emilio Romagna region, during

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Speaker 8: a TV interview that was aired on Media Set, the

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Speaker 8: Berlusconi channel. He said that his mother had been living

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Speaker 8: with dementia and he couldn't take it anymore and he

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Speaker 8: strangled her and then Media Set the TV channel tagged

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Speaker 8: this is an exclusive interview, while at the same time

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Speaker 8: reporting the murder suspect to police.

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Speaker 2: So where does it go? What do they do?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean I think there's just a huge political

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Speaker 8: outcry about it at the moment. Can the station be

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Speaker 8: charged or in some way identified for wrongdoing? I'm not

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Speaker 8: quite sure about that at this point, but it certainly

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Speaker 8: created plenty of debate.

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Speaker 2: Then, I just this story is so cooled. So he

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Speaker 2: has the affair, she gets the job. We've talked about

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Speaker 2: this for the last several weeks. He resigns, he goes

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Speaker 2: on television, cries, they raid her house and she's got spyglasses.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I think the spyglasses had been mentioned before, but

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Speaker 8: it's certainly interesting. The police have raided the home of

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Speaker 8: Maria Rosario Boccha. She's the one who had the affair

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Speaker 8: with the now ex minister. They've seized her computer, her

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Speaker 8: mobile phone, and her pair of spy glasses, which are

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Speaker 8: of course ray Ban smart glasses, which I didn't think

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Speaker 8: we're all that popular, but they're certainly getting a lot

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Speaker 8: of publicity now. She apparently used these glasses to record

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Speaker 8: video of herself walking through the corridors of power in

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Speaker 8: the Lower House of Parliament, and this should be a

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Speaker 8: cause for concern in terms of security.

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Speaker 2: I would say, exactly, because you're not allowed to do.

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Speaker 2: It's against the law, isn't it.

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Speaker 8: I'd say it was against the law. So she's facing

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Speaker 8: an investigation and all sorts of charges also because of

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Speaker 8: the threats she made to the minister, I think as well.

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Speaker 2: Exactly Now these demonstrations correct me if I'm wrong. So

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Speaker 2: the Security Bill is designed to increase the punishment for

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Speaker 2: people who glue themselves to roads and walls and cars

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Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff. So why are people

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Speaker 2: demonstrating against that. We don't want that's great causing themselves

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Speaker 2: to stuff, do we?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Well it does sound a little intense. I mean,

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Speaker 8: this bill has passed the Lower House of Parliament, it's

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Speaker 8: going to the Senate. It's being considered as the latest

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Speaker 8: move by the Georgia Maloney government to get tough on

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Speaker 8: law and order. They want to stop people blocking roads

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Speaker 8: and railways, severe penalties for people trying to interrupt public

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Speaker 8: works like Italy France high speed rail project that's still underway. Well,

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Speaker 8: it does give police the power to enforce wider surveillance

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Speaker 8: and prisons and migrant detention centers. And one thing I

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Speaker 8: thought was interesting, Mike. They want to criminalize businesses that

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Speaker 8: sell SIM cards to people who don't have ID documents

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Speaker 8: or residents permits. And I think that's a bit heavy handed.

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Speaker 2: The old Bona phone. Yeah, Okay, Now I was reading

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Speaker 2: earlier as the OECD report Britain's up They've upgraded Britain

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Speaker 2: on growth China. Where where's Italy fit into this? In

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Speaker 2: the G seven?

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Speaker 8: Well, Italy is not as bad as we expected. The GDP,

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Speaker 8: according to OECD, will rise by zero point eight percent

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Speaker 8: in twenty twenty four against one percent last year, one

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Speaker 8: point one percent predicted in twenty twenty five. I haven't

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Speaker 8: checked the figures, but that sounds actually better than what

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Speaker 8: Germany's predictions are at this point.

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Speaker 2: Germany's a basketcase, absolute basket case. At the moment, you're

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Speaker 2: getting cooler, there is autumn.

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Speaker 7: Struck, autums struck.

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Speaker 8: We're getting core mornings and very nice sunny days.

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Speaker 2: Oh beautiful. You enjoy, We'll catch up. So appreciated. Breath much.

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Speaker 2: Joe McKenna out of Britain on every Thursday morning here

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Speaker 2: on the Mic Hosking Breakfast where it's ten to seven.

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Speaker 1: The mic costing Breakfast with our Vida Retirement community News

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Speaker 1: togs head b like.

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Speaker 2: Ree project costs blowouts. Many times, the client's already decided

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Speaker 2: whether a project is going ahead before the feasibility study,

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Speaker 2: So even if that study suggests a lot of unknowns

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Speaker 2: and potential blowouts, there is high pressure to proceed anyway.

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Speaker 2: Then when a high contingency suggested, there's pushback resulting in

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Speaker 2: the cost blowouts that we're all familiar with one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: And that's why these reports is sort of I don't

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Speaker 2: know if they're even useful, but I mean the politics

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Speaker 2: at play here a light rail and Auckland. It was

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Speaker 2: a dog of an idea from day one, the cycle

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Speaker 2: bridge over the harbor, dog of an idea from day one.

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Speaker 2: What's the point? Do read the story? I referred to

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Speaker 2: the headline's business cases for large roading projects disconnected from reality,

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Speaker 2: and that is the Ministry of Transport saying that.

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Speaker 10: What they going to do, they're trying to build a

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Speaker 10: bridge to reality.

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Speaker 2: Very good Palm. Jeep Palm is still on to the

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Speaker 2: business of the aut and their racist policy around travel expenses.

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Speaker 2: Her latest is an email she's writing to the various

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Speaker 2: people at AUT. I found your email address on the

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Speaker 2: AUT website, so I hope I don't mind you contacting

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Speaker 2: me contacting you this way. I've recently been sent AUT's

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Speaker 2: points system for travel fund. This is where you get

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Speaker 2: extra points if you're MARI, which is designed to fund

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Speaker 2: disproportionately allocated towards travel for Maria and Pacific staff for researchers.

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Speaker 2: I'm interested in the views of AUT staff, so all

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Speaker 2: that's fine. Then she ends the email. I also understand

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Speaker 2: that AUT staff who are members of the union have

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Speaker 2: received an email from the union's branch president requesting they

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Speaker 2: do not reply to my correspondence. This is disappointing, no kidding,

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Speaker 2: And that's the way that unions operate in this country.

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Speaker 2: Heaven forbid, you should ask a question, and heaven forbid

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Speaker 2: you should feel free enough to respond. But no, we

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Speaker 2: don't like democracy and the free flow of ideas. So

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Speaker 2: palme Jet's on it, and good on her. Five minutes

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Speaker 2: away from seven.

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Speaker 7: Bill, the ins and the outs.

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Speaker 17: It's the biz.

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Speaker 1: With business fiber, take your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as I mentioned with Joe, Marminagum, I have a

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Speaker 2: little bit of good news for the UK, Ki as

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Speaker 2: starman as kid. Are you not up on that story?

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Speaker 2: Key a starman, I mean, come on, as it's scandal

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Speaker 2: upon scandal upon scandal. Anyway, More shortly back to the UK,

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Speaker 2: so Saki is busy talking the place down at the moment.

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Speaker 2: He says, we've got to turn our collar up and

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Speaker 2: face the storm, and everything's miserable and well and all

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Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. Anyway, the OECD latest report economic

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Speaker 2: growth is going to be in the UK one point

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Speaker 2: one percent this year and one point two percent next year.

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Speaker 2: Is that good? Well, it's better because it was zero

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Speaker 2: point four, so it's gone zero point four to one

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Speaker 2: point one and from one to one point two. So

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Speaker 2: the update now puts the UK second only to the

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Speaker 2: US for overall growth this year. Now the worst of

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Speaker 2: the G seven. This is the US, Canada, France, Italy, UK, German.

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Speaker 2: In Japan is Japan. They potentially, I don't think it

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Speaker 2: will happen, but they potentially are going to see negative

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Speaker 2: growth this year. China, of course, as always, they're are

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Speaker 2: four point nine for this year and four point five

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Speaker 2: for next year. Although for China watches, which is New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: This is not what it should be and a lot

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Speaker 2: of us are paying the price for all of that,

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Speaker 2: of course, and that was the stimulus package over the

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Speaker 2: last forty eight hours from the central banks, so they're

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Speaker 2: worried as well. Overall, the world economy is expected to

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Speaker 2: grow by three point two percent this year, so that's

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Speaker 2: up from three point one. Unfortunately New Zealand not really

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Speaker 2: part of that growth club. They also predict the Fed's

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Speaker 2: main interest rates would ease eventually the three point five

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Speaker 2: by the end of next year, and the European Central

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Speaker 2: Bank would be at two point twenty five by the

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Speaker 2: end of next year. So that's the global situation. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so Keia's kid Eddy, I want to study in silence

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Speaker 2: and you're running as prime minister and everything's noisy because

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Speaker 2: the paps are outside. Where do I go? Goes, Well,

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Speaker 2: I've got a friend called Wi Leaed and while Lead's

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Speaker 2: giving you his house, and you guy state while Leeds

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Speaker 2: house for a while, and I'll put it down on

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Speaker 2: the paper workers a bit of a gift and we'll

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Speaker 2: we'll pretend none of that's a problem. So anyway, when

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Speaker 2: that gets to be public, Kia just doesn't quite get it.

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Speaker 2: So Rod's all over this as you can well imagine,

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Speaker 2: and we'll do that later on this morning. Still a

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Speaker 2: come Ministry of Education announcement on the MAT's curriculum. More

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Speaker 2: money heading that way to solve the perceived problems. The

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Speaker 2: bloke who's running Transparent and Watch It is on fall Over.

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Speaker 2: The report came out on that yesterday. What else is

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Speaker 2: going to tell you? Mark Manson, he's back on the

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Speaker 2: program as well.

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Speaker 1: You're trusted home for News, for Entertainments, Opinion and Mike

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Speaker 1: the Mike asking breakfast with the Jaguar f base cut

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Speaker 1: from a different class News TOGSD.

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Speaker 2: Seven past seven to another thirty million heading towards the classroom. Today,

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Speaker 2: the government is announcing further support for teachers worried about

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Speaker 2: new Math's curriculum. The finding has been reprioritized. The funding

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Speaker 2: has been reprioritized from a scheme that offered free to

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Speaker 2: Rayo lessons for teachers. The funny thing about that was

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Speaker 2: it was unaccredited and cost double that of some of

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Speaker 2: the courses, So a little bit of a waste of money,

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Speaker 2: it seems. Education Minister Erica Stanford with us good morning,

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Speaker 2: good morning. That money you've found. How much of that's

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Speaker 2: out there if you look hard enough, that's just sloshing

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Speaker 2: around doing god knows what.

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Speaker 18: I think there's plenty of money in education for us

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Speaker 18: to reprioritize and to things like literacy and numerous eat

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Speaker 18: makes sure that our cuts to getting the very best

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Speaker 18: raising achievement. I go through line by line the last budget.

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Speaker 18: I'm doing it again this budget to reprioritize into EVINCED

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Speaker 18: based initiatives that work for our kids.

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Speaker 2: And what's the thirty million this time?

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Speaker 16: By well, we.

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Speaker 18: Said back in August with those pretty awful Maths results

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Speaker 18: that came out in the twenty percent of our kids

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Speaker 18: are at curriculum for Maths by the time they leave intermediate.

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Speaker 18: We set at that point were launching our new campaign.

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Speaker 18: We're bringing forward the Maths, the new Math curriculum for

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Speaker 18: next year. We're investing in professional learning and development. But

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Speaker 18: we always knew that we needed to provide high quality

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Speaker 18: curriculum alan resources to school. So I'm talking about lesson

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Speaker 18: plans and teacher guides for the teachers, and high quality

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Speaker 18: workbooks for our kids. Many schools who can afford them

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Speaker 18: already buy them. We are now making them free of

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Speaker 18: charge for every single child in every single school.

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Speaker 2: The specialist nature if you like, of maths. How difficult

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Speaker 2: is this potentially making it for you?

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Speaker 18: It is difficult for our primary school teachers to be

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Speaker 18: experts and everything mathematics and science and art, music and English.

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Speaker 18: It's a monumental effort every day for them to deliver

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Speaker 18: those multiple curricular areas. And we need to make sure

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Speaker 18: that we're supporting them with high quality PLD and all

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Speaker 18: of these high quality curriculum aligned resources. And that's what

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Speaker 18: we don't know.

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Speaker 2: So what you're seem to be saying, correct me if

652
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Speaker 2: I'm wrong, is that if you need it, you will

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Speaker 2: get it if they're genuine. And what I can't work

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Speaker 2: out is how much of what they need is based

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Speaker 2: on need versus the Union's going, I just want more money.

656
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Speaker 2: I just want more money. I just want more money.

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Speaker 2: And that's my singular solution to everything.

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Speaker 18: Well, look there's multiple parts of this. He just need

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Speaker 18: lots of support from the government and from the Ministry

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Speaker 18: of Education, whether that's PLD or resources. Of course, they

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Speaker 18: we'll always talk about teacher pay and we've made sure

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Speaker 18: that we've said every teacher bargaining around while we'll pay

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Speaker 18: teachers more, but it's also important because they also talk

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Speaker 18: about their day and the workload on there, and I

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Speaker 18: want to take that away. That's why we have a

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Speaker 18: curriculum that is year by year, that is highly specific

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Speaker 18: about what needs to be taught, so that they don't

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Speaker 18: have to create that themselves. We're providing them should they

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Speaker 18: need it, with lesson plans and high quality resources so

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Speaker 18: they don't have to go and spend hours and hours

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Speaker 18: after school every day finding their own. So this is

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Speaker 18: all designed to support them and to take away some

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Speaker 18: of that load because they, as I.

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Speaker 14: Say, it's a.

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Speaker 18: Huge effort to be across all of those curricular areas,

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Speaker 18: find resources for all those areas. We're making it easier

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Speaker 18: so we've got better outcomes for our kids.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Good luck with the Erica Stamford Education Minister

679
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Speaker 2: since twenty nineteen. By the way, the one hundred million

680
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Speaker 2: dollar funded this initiative isn't accredited more than double the

681
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Speaker 2: cost of similar courses available, and evaluation of the program

682
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Speaker 2: found no evidence it directly impacted progress or achievement for students.

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Speaker 2: The review also couldn't quantify what impact the program had

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Speaker 2: on Tayo Mara use in the classroom, one hundred million

685
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Speaker 2: dollars ten minutes past seven tasking. So we're expecting the

686
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Speaker 2: FTA Free Trail arrangement with the UAE to be wrapped up,

687
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Speaker 2: possibly signed off this afternoon. Australia got these across the

688
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Speaker 2: line a week ago. Our negotiations only began in May,

689
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Speaker 2: so today is the day it's been done at record pace,

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Speaker 2: forming New Zealand trade negotiated. Charles phinneysback, Well, there's Charles

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Speaker 2: morning to you.

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Speaker 17: Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Are the UAE the goods are they there? These are

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Speaker 2: the sort of people we want to deal with. Is

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Speaker 2: this got that gold standard UK vibe about it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 17: I think this is quite exciting. Hopefully the rumors are

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Speaker 17: true and there will be an announcement maybe today. If

699
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Speaker 17: all signs are that this would be a really high

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Speaker 17: quality free trade agreement with pretty much all our trade

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Speaker 17: covered and pretty much everything being liberalized by entry into force.

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Speaker 17: It's already a billion dollar market for US and there's

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Speaker 17: kids potential for growth?

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Speaker 2: Are and is that not the key in all FTAs?

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Speaker 2: What is the potential? How do you see it growing

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Speaker 2: and buy how much?

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Speaker 17: Well, it's always hard to quantify. It getmists to make predictions.

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Speaker 17: Usually these are to shoot by a huge marriage and

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Speaker 17: that's been the case in pretty much all our free

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Speaker 17: trading premutes. In this case, UE is fairly liberal, so

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Speaker 17: we're looking at for five percent tariffs on some dairy

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Speaker 17: products and frozen meat, beef and lamb. Take that off.

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Speaker 17: That's going to be really, really useful. The other point

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Speaker 17: is that the UREE is not just negotiating with US,

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Speaker 17: as you noted, they've done a deal with Australia, they're

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Speaker 17: negotiating with the EU. They actually I think undergotiating or

717
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Speaker 17: have completed agreements with twenty six other parties. So if

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Speaker 17: we're not part of that list, we're in trouble. Our

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Speaker 17: exploits will start using market share. We will be.

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Speaker 2: Able similar do you think or no with Australia. So

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Speaker 2: it's like the like with Australia. Because Australia head a

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Speaker 2: tremendous it will still do with the EU deal we

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Speaker 2: signed ours off.

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Speaker 17: Well, I think this will be of higher quality than

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Speaker 17: in terms of agriculture then we achieved with the EU

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Speaker 17: and the problems Australia is facing with the EU will

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Speaker 17: not be there. In this agreement.

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Speaker 2: No, is this just what like minds. If you're aligned ideologically,

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Speaker 2: you can do business really efficiently and really fast. And

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Speaker 2: that's what this boils down to.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: I think that THEAE is desperately dean to diversify its

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Speaker 17: sources of wealth away from oil and gas, and they're

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Speaker 17: trying to build a whole whole new economy and being

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Speaker 17: open to investment and trade with multiple parties or part

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Speaker 17: of that mix.

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Speaker 16: I like it.

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Speaker 2: Let's hope it comes to pass. This afternoon, Charles Finny,

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Speaker 2: former New Zealand trade negotiator, thirty minutes past seven. Rent news.

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Speaker 2: Do you want good news? I've got reasonable news. Couple

741
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Speaker 2: of consecutive months of declines on rent are stabilized. For August.

742
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Speaker 2: Numbers out this morning average around the country of six

743
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Speaker 2: hundred and forty dollars three point two percent on the year,

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Speaker 2: So she's coming back slowly but surely. Listings are down

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Speaker 2: again but still up thirty eight percent year on year.

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Speaker 2: Demand is down again, down thirteen percent between July and

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Speaker 2: August and down thirty six percent and since last year.

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Speaker 2: August of last year remarkably quiet on the month. Biggest

749
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Speaker 2: fall was Southland at one percent. Biggest gain was four

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Speaker 2: point eight in Otago Auckland down zero point seven, Canterbury

751
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Speaker 2: up at one point seven. What else is going to

752
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Speaker 2: tell you? The Capital dead flat is your rental news?

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Speaker 2: This morning, fourteen past.

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Speaker 1: The mic asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 2: Witz transpower and his pylon fell over. Then they did

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Speaker 2: a report, So he'll work us through all of that.

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Speaker 2: Mark manson the subtle art, not giving any f He's

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Speaker 2: back with us after eight o'clock seventeen past seven. What

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Speaker 2: about Canterbury? I can we do anything wrong at the moment?

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Speaker 2: The Wellington Phoenix they've joined the Warriors in locking in

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Speaker 2: fixtures at christ Church's new stadium, which I suppose raises

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Speaker 2: the question will we see an a leg or an

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Speaker 2: NRL create franchises in that particular part of the world anyway?

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Speaker 2: Chief Executive of Venues Attataki Are Carolyn Harvey tears with

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Speaker 2: us on all of this. Carolyn, morning to you, Good

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Speaker 2: morning Mike. Does it feel I mean, this is a

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Speaker 2: soft ball question, but does it feel like christ Church

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Speaker 2: slash Canterbury is on a bit of a roll at

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Speaker 2: the moment and everything you touch turns to something that

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Speaker 2: equates to money.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, it kind of does, really, But it's kind of

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Speaker 19: our time, hasn't it. We's been through a bit, so

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Speaker 19: I guess what's happening at the minute is we're sort

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Speaker 19: of hopefully bearing the fruits of a pretty tough few years.

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Speaker 19: So we can't wait for the next eighteen months and

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Speaker 19: to see the new stadium open. But it really just

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Speaker 19: adds to this, to the whole kind of set of

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Speaker 19: infrastructure that we have now here in Canterbury and.

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Speaker 2: In doing these deals with the A League in NRL,

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Speaker 2: what's the how do you deal with the timeline? Because

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Speaker 2: I mean you're not building the thing. What if it

783
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Speaker 2: blows out? What if it's delayed? You know, when's the

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Speaker 2: opening date? Do they get some sort of surety? How

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Speaker 2: do you handle all that?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, we're lucky because we're really close. We're a CEO,

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Speaker 19: so we're part of the design and construction program, so

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Speaker 19: we have pretty much confidence in terms of look, it's

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Speaker 19: on track at the minute. We're in a pretty high time,

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Speaker 19: so they're building the roof, which you know what spring

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Speaker 19: wins the light down here in christ Us. It's a

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Speaker 19: tricky time, but early next year March April, we will

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Speaker 19: have far greater confidence of that opening date. But in

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Speaker 19: terms of doing these deals, you know, we're doing long

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Speaker 19: term partnerships, so we know in twenty twenty six will

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Speaker 19: be open. April is the date, and we're hoping that

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Speaker 19: that's about right, and we've got pretty much confidence in that.

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Speaker 19: But it means we can traverse both the Tempery Stadium

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Speaker 19: and the new stadium, which shows not just a commitment

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Speaker 19: to the new stadium, but actually confidence in christ Use generally.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, do you see yourself on a path from being

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Speaker 2: a place that attracts events like a couple of games

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Speaker 2: a year or whatever, to potentially you build that infrastructure

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Speaker 2: and you become the hometown for new teams permanently.

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Speaker 19: Look, I think that's the aim. You know, we want

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Speaker 19: to see that. We want to leverage the opportunity that

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Speaker 19: is one New Zealand Stadium and all of the other

808
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Speaker 19: investment that the city's made in new infrastructure that makes

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Speaker 19: sense for us to be the home of new teams.

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Speaker 19: We're going to have the best infrastructure in the country

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Speaker 19: and we've got a wonderful portfolio of it. You know,

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Speaker 19: you look at the town Hall you look at the arena,

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Speaker 19: you look at the stadium, the new sports facility. TIPI,

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Speaker 19: you know, we really are setting ourselves up to be

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Speaker 19: the events capital of New Zealands.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic, Carolin go Well, Carolyn Harvey to t here Venues Otatari

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Speaker 2: nineteen minutes past seven, tasking so Starmer yesterday said this

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Speaker 2: the return of the Sassage, the return of the sausages,

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Speaker 2: and online he has been roasted in Britain. I've got

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Speaker 2: a pack of Cumberland sausages in the freezer and they've

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Speaker 2: just been granted asylum and a free council house here

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Speaker 2: in the UK. But my favorite one was from the

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Speaker 2: gravy to the p the sausages will be free. It's

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Speaker 2: not bad ah. The Return of the Sassage seven.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on Aheart Radio

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Speaker 2: Ab aren't sausages weapons of mash destruction, calling for two

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Speaker 2: stakes solution. I'm not sure people understand the gravy of

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Speaker 2: the situation. The first thing that he could say, and

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Speaker 2: so and so it went, it is a pathosagre seven

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Speaker 2: twenty three. Now listen, I can't help but think the

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Speaker 2: Transpower report into the Pylon falling over and we'll talk

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Speaker 2: about it shortly is one of those reports that has

834
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Speaker 2: to find things to say because the real reason for

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Speaker 2: the report was obvious. Nevertheless, there are twenty six recommendations

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Speaker 2: now to recap the company that Transpower hires to maintain

837
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Speaker 2: the pilon's hired a couple of clowns and didn't train them.

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Speaker 2: They undid a lot of bolts, and the pylon fell over.

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Speaker 2: The report suggests that ultimately is Transpower's fault. I don't

840
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Speaker 2: see how you hire a painter he paints your house

841
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Speaker 2: the wrong color. Your wife tells you you're an idiot

842
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Speaker 2: for hiring the painter. As long as Transpower had checked

843
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Speaker 2: that a Mixim was a proper company, What is it

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Speaker 2: they're supposed to be doing. Are they supposed to bet

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Speaker 2: the company every time they do any work? Do they

846
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Speaker 2: run through the CB of everyone who touches a bolt?

847
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Speaker 2: Or is that the contractor's job the way it's the

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Speaker 2: contractor's job for everyone you hire in your life life

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Speaker 2: to do anything for you. Certainly the issue raised in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one when an engineer four Transpower told the

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Speaker 2: maintenance issues were a thing that is on Transpower. Now

852
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: they were alerted and yet they did nothing. That I

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Speaker 2: suspect goes in some way to the fact that Transpower

854
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: are a monopoly, and monopolies tend to be a little

855
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 2: bit lax around these things. The report recommends Transpower improved

856
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: processes for maintenance work on base plates. What's that mean?

857
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: I mean it's water blasting something. Do you need to

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Speaker 2: hire a rocket scientist to unscrew some bolts and have

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Speaker 2: a laminated sign on every tower saying only undo one

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Speaker 2: bolt at a time. Surely this is getting all a

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Speaker 2: little bit forensic and smacks of a report author making

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Speaker 2: stuff up. Basically that the sake of it, the simple

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Speaker 2: truth is the beginning, the middle, and the end of

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Speaker 2: it is a Maxim are a fault. They are the

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Speaker 2: ones that didn't do the job. The original report told

866
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: us all this. None of this is complicated. They weren't

867
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Speaker 2: building the Hadron collide. They were cleaning a tower, and

868
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: Maxim hired fools didn't train them, and untrained fools make mistakes.

869
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: A Maxim should be sacked. They should be sued or

870
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: made to pay for the damage. The report says anywhere

871
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: between thirty seven and eighty million dollars, and that should

872
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 2: be that transpower are not devoid of complete responsibility given

873
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: pylons are on them. But the reason the CEO doesn't

874
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: clean the building, do the correspondence, and make all the

875
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: boxes is it's not possible, it's not reasonable, and that's

876
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: why you hire people to do stuff you can't. At

877
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: some point in the hiring process, the level of responsibility

878
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: transfers from the hirer to the higher E end of

879
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 2: report asking Mike, a number of progressive countries don't have

880
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: a CGT. The A Z CEO can easily afford a CGT,

881
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: but she hasn't obviously thought it out properly and as

882
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: part and apart from being annoying and annoying a lot

883
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: of amz's customers, this would obviously impact bottom line profits

884
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: for the banks, as it would take a lot of

885
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: money out of the system. Phil you make an interesting point,

886
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: So potentially, and if you've missed this, Antonia who runs

887
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: the A and Z came out yesterday and she said

888
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 2: the time is right for a CGT in this cut.

889
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: And I tell you what I like about that. I

890
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: like it what she's wrong, obviously, but I like the

891
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: fact she's got an opinion, And I told her a

892
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: person who was running a bank once and we're in

893
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: a meeting, and I said, I'll tell you what, if

894
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 2: you want a piece of advice, take it or leave it.

895
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: As it turns out, the person left it. I said,

896
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: what the banking sector needs is a spokesperson. Is a

897
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 2: go to is somebody you can ring on a regular basis.

898
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: It's like economics. When you want somebody to go to Bradley, right,

899
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: you go to Bradley It informetrics. Is Bradley available, Yes

900
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: he is. Is he on the phone, Yes he is.

901
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 2: Can he help you out, yes he can. Does he

902
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: speak in plain English? Yes he does. I said, what

903
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 2: the banking industry needs is a go to person who's

904
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 2: readily available, who can come on and talk to people

905
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: and explain things the way they see it from a

906
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: bank's perspective. Because the bank's industry, the industry in general's

907
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 2: got a fairly poor reputation in terms of communication. So

908
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 2: I congratulate in Tonia for coming out and having an

909
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: opinion on something, and good on her for having an opinion.

910
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: And she must have known when she said it wouldn't

911
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 2: necessarily be popular with everybody and she must have expected

912
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: potentially some pushback, but nevertheless she stood up, she said

913
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Speaker 2: something and she stands by it, and good on her

914
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 2: and more people and I learned this lesson, particularly in COVID,

915
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 2: where so many people at the upper echelons of business

916
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: in this country lost their spine, forgot where their balls

917
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: were and never had an opinion and never came out,

918
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: never see the damn thing about what was unfolding in

919
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: front of our very eyes. So good on her for

920
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: going public with that. Right, speaking of the pylon, Mark's

921
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: in charge of that, and Mark's works works at Transparent.

922
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: He's expecting our call any moment now, so we'll have

923
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: a work with him after the news which is next

924
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: here at Newstalks EDB.

925
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Speaker 1: The newsmakers and the personalities the big names talk to,

926
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Speaker 1: like my costing breakfast with Bailey's real Estate, your local

927
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: experts across residential, commercial and rural news talks.

928
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Speaker 2: dB need to keep an eye on Gareth Ward. He's

929
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: a new South Wales MP. So this happened back in July,

930
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: but it's only being made public now. He denied being

931
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: drunk showing up at Parliament House at four am on

932
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 2: a Sunday morning back in July, he claims he had

933
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: locked himself out of his apartment. He's an independent MP

934
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 2: for Kema. He arrived at Parliament wearing a T shirt,

935
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: underwear and socks and a gash on his head. The

936
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 2: more serious part of the equations next year is facing

937
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 2: caught over a series of alleged sexual abuse offenses dating

938
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Speaker 2: back several years. He denies this. He denies everything. By

939
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: the way, he wasn't drunk, he wasn't wearing socks, and

940
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: he didn't have a gash on his head, and he

941
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: didn't turn up to parliament, and he didn't sexually assault anybody.

942
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 2: He also says he wasn't drunk, said the characterization of

943
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 2: his state of undress was not correct. He was woken

944
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: by a noise in the middle of the night, locked

945
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: himself out of his pots Point apartment. So upon locking

946
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: himself out and given it was freezing, was four am

947
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: in July, no prospect of getting a locksmith. Didn't have

948
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Speaker 2: his phone and with my property around eight minutes walk

949
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: or jog. He looks like a guy who walked more

950
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: than jogged. He went to Parliament to get a spare key.

951
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 2: I did not see anyone in Parliament other than the

952
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: security guard. He gave me access to the building. He

953
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 2: denied he was drunk. This is the sort of guttered

954
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: journalism that sees the faith and journalist to an all

955
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: time life. So that's bubbling as we speak. So let's

956
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 2: see where that goes today. Twenty ten minutes away from eight,

957
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: Ken hands them back with us after late. If you

958
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 2: don't know the name, immediate or exclaim more shortly. But

959
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: we got the report into the Pilon. The barkle lays

960
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: the blame at the feet of Transpower, which, as I

961
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: said before the new strikes me as slightly old. The

962
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 2: argument is too much reliance on contractors and the fact

963
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: too many volts have been removed more than once, and

964
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: the fact of Transpower employee had of course raised the

965
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: issues back in two thousand and one, but seemingly was

966
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: ignored anyway. Trustpowers Executive general Manager of grid Delivery Mark

967
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: Ryle is with us.

968
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Speaker 16: Mark.

969
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: Good morning to you, morning Mike. The twenty twenty one warning.

970
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: First of all, why do you know wasn't that acted on?

971
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Speaker 15: Yeah, Look, I'll put some facts out there around that.

972
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 15: For some of the rhetoric from the press conference isn't

973
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 15: quite accurate. So we've a t Hunred engineers for context,

974
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 15: and you know we run a continuous improvement culture, So

975
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 15: then making a recommendation around an improvement as something that's

976
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 15: quite common. In this case, the recommendation was around a

977
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 15: coating's practices course a how you apply the coating product

978
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 15: to a foundation was made through the Grid Skills manager

979
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 15: at the time. Now, the decision was obviously made not

980
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 15: to take that forward. That person's left the business, so

981
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 15: I can't ask them, But that decision makes sense the

982
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 15: responsibility of our contractual framework if the staff being competent

983
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 15: in trains sits with the service providers, in this case

984
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 15: a mex On. We have Grid Skills, which provides transmission

985
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 15: specific competency training, how people access equipment, how they can

986
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 15: be safe around high voltage, all those sort of specific things,

987
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 15: out to paint a tower out of pain, to foundation,

988
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 15: how to drive an e WP, even basic supervisor training

989
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 15: that sits with the service providers as expected, because that's

990
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 15: their competency. We're not skilled in playing coteins. So this

991
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 15: course it wasn't a warning around taking two million nuts off.

992
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 15: It wasn't a warning around unsafe practices. If that had

993
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 15: been raised, that would have gone down a different shot

994
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 15: in the company, and iither one hundred percent confidence that

995
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 15: it would have been escalated to me or through my

996
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 15: business very quickly. From an operational and safety perspective. You know,

997
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 15: all the information we've looked at does not confirm this

998
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 15: practice is common. In fact, the exact opposite. That hasn't

999
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 15: been common apart from this one small group over four

1000
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 15: jobs in Northland between late May and early June, and

1001
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 15: obviously we saw the unfortunate circumstances of that coming together.

1002
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: Correct. Have you talked in the ensuing period since the

1003
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 2: day it happened with a MIXIM and got to your

1004
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: satisfaction and explanation as to why they hired people they

1005
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: didn't train.

1006
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 15: Yes, yes, of course we have. We released our investigation

1007
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 15: report six weeks ago and all this information was contained

1008
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 15: within it. We've worked with a mix on, They've done

1009
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 15: an independent investigation. They've got a long list of recommendations

1010
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 15: that they are working actively on as well, focused on

1011
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 15: our recommendations. The reality is you do need to be

1012
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 15: able to train people on the job, otherwise no one

1013
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 15: can ever become competent. But as someone that is a trainee,

1014
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 15: they need to be under direct supervision. In this case,

1015
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 15: the trainee wasn't adequately supervised. The work order approved the job.

1016
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 15: The information transper had was that a competent supervisor and

1017
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 15: to people with foundation competency, we're going to do the task.

1018
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 15: What turned up on the job was a competent supervisor

1019
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 15: in two trainees. This was an adequate and this is

1020
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 15: one of the key findings. The root cause of the

1021
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 15: event were not following procedures and practices. If that follows

1022
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 15: their proscedures, how I would have never fallen.

1023
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,959
Speaker 2: Come to so both the reports and I just wonder

1024
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: if we're convoluting too much here because it's not actually

1025
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: that complex. You people who didn't do their job properly.

1026
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: I and from the text everyone disagrees with me, but

1027
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: I argue it's it's I mean, ultimately it is your

1028
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 2: fault because you hire these people, and your your ultimately

1029
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: responsible buck stops at the top.

1030
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 15: I get that we're not avoiding that.

1031
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 2: At some point, when you hire people to do something,

1032
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: you've got to have a level of trust that they're

1033
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 2: going to do it, don't you. Therefore it's on them, Yes.

1034
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 19: You do.

1035
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 15: We have a robus quality assurance program and we do

1036
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 15: hundreds and hundreds of independent audits of work throughout every year.

1037
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 15: We have thousands of interactions where our job manager out

1038
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,240
Speaker 15: there inspecting site. Unfortunately, in a small package of work,

1039
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 15: nobody visited that site. The service providers have their own

1040
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 15: assurance programs that should have picked it up. So look,

1041
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 15: we have taken that on board and we are reviewing

1042
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 15: all our assurance programs seeing do we need to do more.

1043
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 15: We're looking at how we can get better. Obviously, you

1044
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 15: need to stop on one of these investigations at the people.

1045
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 15: You look right through your organization and right through ser

1046
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 15: prose organization and identify those things we can improve. And

1047
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 15: we're focused on doing that.

1048
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: Okay, have a mixed some sacked in your body.

1049
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 15: They haven't sacked these people at the moment. They are

1050
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 15: supporting them through the process. They're not through the processing

1051
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 15: on our assets. Well, I guess I mean the crew

1052
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 15: lescens never go out to do something like this, right,

1053
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 15: They don't into have an outcome like this. The training

1054
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 15: is need training before they can do work.

1055
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 16: That task.

1056
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 2: This must have occurred to you. I have no training

1057
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: in doing this, but I can tell you something for nothing.

1058
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: I wouldn't undo all the bolts for what I would

1059
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: argue are pretty bloody obvious reasons.

1060
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 15: Yes, look I've arrived on the site from the next

1061
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 15: and one look at that tower arrangement and absolutely should never.

1062
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 15: And that is one of the things we to work through.

1063
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 15: How could a fully supervisor Lyon mckinnick been trained on loading, rigging,

1064
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 15: all those kind of things leading a crew that this

1065
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 15: could happen. And that's, you know, one.

1066
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: Of the fundamental He wasn't playing attention. He was in

1067
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: the cab having a sandwich. I bet wasn't he.

1068
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 15: Well, he was water blasting at the time, so he

1069
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 15: had a mask on water blasking and the trainee continued

1070
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 15: to take nuts off unsupervised and went too far, as

1071
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 15: the findings from the investigation.

1072
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: So dis guy's on the water blaster, standing the watching

1073
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: a guy and do nuts, and at no points does

1074
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: he go that's quite a lot of nuts. I wonder

1075
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 2: if that's too many.

1076
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 15: Well, he's blasting the tower. He's got a mask on,

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Speaker 15: So that explanation is he's not actually supervising this. The

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Speaker 15: member of the time, he's focused on the water blasting.

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Speaker 15: So the trainee's gone and removed nuts without supervision, which

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Speaker 15: is you know the fundamental failing here that led to

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Speaker 15: the tower.

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Speaker 2: Well where are we at with compensation for the Northland region?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, look, as you know electricity, Well, first of all,

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Speaker 15: impossible to guarantee supply one hundred percent of the time.

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Speaker 15: We really loved and we try very hard across the

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Speaker 15: the three to do that. Okay, ially agree and we

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Speaker 15: understand that. But I guess it's the value you have Sard.

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Speaker 15: Some of the numbers are coming out from the investigation

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Speaker 15: potential loss. You know, the value that electricity adds is

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Speaker 15: hugely higher than what we actually charged for the service.

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Speaker 15: So what that conversation it will be there's no mechanism

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Speaker 15: with than the existing framework to provide that. THEA report

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Speaker 15: looked into conversations and makes no recommendation to change anything.

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Speaker 15: You know, in essence, if we paid conversation, the cost

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Speaker 15: will have to be picked up by other consumers.

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Speaker 5: And you've got evidence of the governance.

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Speaker 15: Or reduced dividence government. Yes, of course we have insurance

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Speaker 15: and do that. Well. We are working actively and some

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Speaker 15: of my colleagues are hidden meetings in Northern today. We've

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Speaker 15: been working with the community out there. We are looking

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Speaker 15: to put some investment into the community. Tragedy, Sorry about

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Speaker 15: this event.

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Speaker 2: Now you're dodging me. So if you've got insurance and

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00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 2: you're cocked it up, you've got to put it right,

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00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 2: because it's the putting right that counts.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, Look, we just obviously have insurance or businesses do

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Speaker 15: that as the mechanism we have under existing frameworks. As

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Speaker 15: you know, we are looking to put some community care

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Speaker 15: funding into the community. We don't have an ability within

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Speaker 15: our framework to pay compensation. That's practical.

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Speaker 2: Ideas about I've done some way, Why don't you make

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00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 2: a claim with the insurance company. They already told you

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00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 2: they're not going to pay.

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Speaker 15: No, I'm not aware.

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Speaker 14: Of that fact.

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Speaker 2: So you haven't even inquired.

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Speaker 15: No, I'm not letting the insurance part of the business.

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Speaker 15: But no, I don't believe that's the case.

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Speaker 2: So wouldn't wouldn't that be the next route you'd want

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Speaker 2: to follow if you wanted to do the right thing?

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Speaker 15: Yes? Well, well a we're obviously working through those outcomes.

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Speaker 15: We're looking to work with the community on putting some

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Speaker 15: avestment into Northland around that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's the time frame?

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Speaker 15: Is the effect the effect of the money into the

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00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 15: effect of the guest to make that. But then our

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Speaker 15: tepe mechanism, but the electricity authority put together and we're

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Speaker 15: working through way we capture our costs. We don't have

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00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 15: a mechanism to do this, so you know that change

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Speaker 15: could come from the ultroscy Authority or from government.

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Speaker 2: All right, what any time frame around sorry, well, the

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Speaker 2: timeframe so it doesn't drag on for months on and

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Speaker 2: and you keep coming up out programs like this going

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, we're still talking about it.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, well, the meetings to the north Land I think

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Speaker 15: over the next couple of days and then we should

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Speaker 15: have an announcement around that.

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Speaker 2: Eminently fantastic. All right, we'll stay in touch. Mark appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Mark Ryle, who's the Transpwer executive general manager and loving

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Speaker 2: every minute of his job. Thirteen Away from eight.

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Speaker 1: The Mic Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 1: by News Talks V The Mic Hosking Breakfast with the

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Speaker 2: EDB given away from it. So the trip Advisor Travelers

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Speaker 2: Choice Awards are out. This is in Hospital and Grove

1147
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 2: Restaurant in Auckland turns out to be the ninth best

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Speaker 2: in the world in its category. Of the eight million

1149
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 2: listings worldwide, fewer than one percent achieve this particular milestone. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: the Groves owner is Michael Death who was with us. Michael,

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Speaker 2: very good morning to you.

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Speaker 14: Good morning Mike.

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00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 16: So you're having me.

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Speaker 2: No worries it all. So you're in the fine dining

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00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: space for this particular one. How would you describe fine

1156
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: dining generally at the moment in healthy spirits or not

1157
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Speaker 2: so good?

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Speaker 16: Well, worldwide, it's pretty banged up. In New Zealand, it's

1159
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 16: it's really rough.

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Speaker 2: So to get something like this is fantastic.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, we're Yeah, we have an attention to detail. We

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Speaker 16: work closely with some fantastic or is in producers and yeah,

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Speaker 16: we have a big team. It takes a big team

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Speaker 16: to pull this off.

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00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 2: How does the trip advisory thing actually work. It's people

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Speaker 2: who are in and go there and and fill out

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Speaker 2: the forms or the answer the questions or whatever.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, so that's it's an online platform for people that

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Speaker 16: travel the world. So when people from someone might be

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Speaker 16: from Egypt, one person might be from the Ukraine, one

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00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 16: person will be from Atlanta, Georgia. So people around the world.

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Speaker 16: They'll dine and then they'll leave some comments about your restaurant.

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Speaker 2: Would that be a fair representation, do you think? See?

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Speaker 2: Because I've been to a lot of restaurants, so I've

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00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 2: never left an online comment in my life, So would

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Speaker 2: this be a fair representation of the people who come

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Speaker 2: to your place?

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Speaker 14: I think so.

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Speaker 16: A lot of times when people leave, when they leave

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Speaker 16: the restaurant, they're just gushing there with compliments and they

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Speaker 16: love the place.

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Speaker 14: And most people book online these days.

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Speaker 16: We always send out a little message after they die

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00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 16: and saying we appreciate that you've dined with us. If

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00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 16: you like to provide us any feedback, here's our email

1186
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 16: you get in touch with us, or if you'd like

1187
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 16: to leave a review, here's something on trip Advisor with

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00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 16: a link. And people go on and leave leave their thoughts. Fantastic,

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Speaker 16: And you know, the growth has been This is our

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Speaker 16: twentieth year. We celebrated our twentieth year in business this year,

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Speaker 16: so we've had a big year, a lot of celebration,

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Speaker 16: So I think we've been it's been consistent. We've been

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Speaker 16: consistent for a long time.

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Speaker 2: That's the trick. And I know, do you still do

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Speaker 2: baduci you're still running.

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Speaker 14: Boduci, Yep, still have Yep.

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Speaker 16: I'm there several times a day. Then I'm back at

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Speaker 16: the Grove several times a day. I have the shortest

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Speaker 16: distance between Baduci and the Grove. A few little minor illegal.

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Speaker 2: U turns there you go, because I'm Baduci's in the

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Speaker 2: casual category as well. So you're obviously doing something hospo

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Speaker 2: quickly you'll take on it. In this economic environment at

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Speaker 2: the moment in this country, where are we at with that?

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Speaker 16: It's pretty brutal. I won't lie, and now I'll tell

1205
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 16: you do feel like sometimes there's a conspiracy to kind

1206
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 16: of kick us when we're down, you know, everything from

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Speaker 16: the bridge being out for a year connecting the viaduct

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00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 16: to the Windard Quarter. It's a bit ridiculous. How long

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00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 16: it takes, you know, a great nation like New Zealand,

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Speaker 16: we can't see them to get this bridge done, for example,

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00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 16: really just hurts us in a situation where it's already

1212
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Speaker 16: a challenge.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're doing your best, Michael, and he won a

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Speaker 2: couple of great awards, and I congratulate you, Michael Durth,

1215
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 2: who's the Grove restaurant also, but It's see the Top

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Speaker 2: ten Fine Dining in the Country, by the Way, the

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Speaker 2: Grove Sales and Auckland, Jerbois, steakhount In, Queenstown, Logan Brown, Wellington,

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Speaker 2: Craigie Range, Havelock Writer and Queenstown are He Auckland, sid

1219
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Speaker 2: Art Auckland, Paris, Butter Auckland, Mudbrick on Wahiki Island. So

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Speaker 2: there's some there's all some flesh dining to be done

1221
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 2: in this beautiful country of ours. News for You in

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Speaker 2: a couple of Moments, and The Subtle Art of Not

1223
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Speaker 2: Giving an f How a book changed a person's life Mark.

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Speaker 7: And next.

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Speaker 1: The Breakfast Show You Can Trust, The Mic Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 1: with al Vida, Retirement Communities, Life Your Way, News Togs

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Speaker 1: ed b.

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Speaker 2: It is seven past day, So a catch up with

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Speaker 2: an author whose book changed his life. The Subtle Art

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Speaker 2: of Not Giving an It was published back in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 2: gone on to sell more than twenty million copies in

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Speaker 2: counting and that, along with a couple of couple of

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Speaker 2: other self help books New York Times best sellers. He's

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Speaker 2: coming back here in November as part of his The

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Speaker 2: Subtle Art of Not Giving An It tour and Mike

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Speaker 2: Mansin's with us morning, good morning. Now that I've got

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Speaker 2: you in Los Angeles. Last time we talked to you,

1238
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Speaker 2: you were on the other side of the country, but

1239
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, what's your Because Los Angeles is one

1240
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: of my favorite cities in the world, what's your observation

1241
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 2: of Los Angeles and its reputation post covid.

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Speaker 13: H Los Angeles is a mixed bag because I think

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Speaker 13: what most people don't realize is that it's not one

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01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 13: big city. It's like ten small cities all crammed together.

1245
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Speaker 13: So you can have there can be one experience in

1246
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Speaker 13: one place, and then you just go three or four

1247
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 13: blocks in one direction and the city completely changes. So

1248
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Speaker 13: it's a very like heterogenerous experience being here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so good and bad. I was going to say,

1250
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Speaker 2: because the reputation from the side of the world is

1251
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 2: Los Angeles is not what it was. You would argue

1252
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Speaker 2: differently if you go to the right bit of.

1253
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Speaker 13: It, Well, define what was I mean, Hollywood's broke, So

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Speaker 13: that's that's definitely one thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. They've had the strike since I was

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Speaker 2: last year, and listen, I was looking I was looking

1257
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Speaker 2: at you with Stephen Bartlett on his Diary of a CEO.

1258
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Speaker 2: I think that is as a podcast is absolutely fantastic.

1259
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Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong. You were playing poker with

1260
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Speaker 2: your friends, they wanted to get into finance. You thought

1261
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Speaker 2: I might do that as is that how your life

1262
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Speaker 2: was unfolding before this whole book thing came along pretty much.

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Speaker 13: I mean when I was in Universe and when I

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Speaker 13: was in university, Yeah, I thought I was going to

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Speaker 13: go in the finance because I love playing poker. I

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Speaker 13: was really good at it. All my poker buddies were

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Speaker 13: going in the finance. But I think when you're that age,

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Speaker 13: you don't think much further than that. You just kind

1269
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Speaker 13: of like, well, I like this thing, I'm good at it,

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Speaker 13: it makes some money, let's go do that. And then

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Speaker 13: you know, lo and behold it's uh. I hated every

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Speaker 13: second of it. I couldn't wait to get out. So

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Speaker 13: so yeah, it was a nice little experiment in my twenties.

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Speaker 2: As an exercise in writing a book, getting famous and

1275
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Speaker 2: transforming your life. How's it gone for you?

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Speaker 13: No complaints, no complaints. It's one of those things where

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Speaker 13: you know, in some ways it the reality lives up

1278
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Speaker 13: to your dreams and your expectations, but in a lot

1279
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Speaker 13: of ways, it doesn't play out the way you expect,

1280
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Speaker 13: you know. I think there's it's a it's a natural

1281
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 13: human tendency to have this big dreamer goal and assume like, oh,

1282
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Speaker 13: if I can just accomplish that, then everything will be amazing.

1283
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Speaker 13: And and don't get me wrong, it is amazing, but

1284
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Speaker 13: it never plays out the way you expect. It's always

1285
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Speaker 13: messier and different and and all sorts of challenges that

1286
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Speaker 13: you didn't you didn't expect along the way. So I'm

1287
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Speaker 13: very blessed and grateful, but it's it's been kind of

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Speaker 13: a crazy ride.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So would you change it if you could or not?

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Speaker 7: No? No, no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't take anything back.

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Speaker 2: Now because the idea was And once again, correct me

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Speaker 2: if I'm wrong. I think you wanted to get famous,

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Speaker 2: didn't you. You wanted to write a book that was

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Speaker 2: going to turn your life around. That was a goal.

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Speaker 13: My goal was to be a best selling author. My

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Speaker 13: goal was, you know, I wanted to be on the

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Speaker 13: New York Times list. I wanted to sell a bunch

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Speaker 13: of books. I never fathomed that, as much as that

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Speaker 13: has would happen like this was completely out of the

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Speaker 13: realm of possibility to my young, innocent mind.

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Speaker 2: Where did you get Where did you get the idea from?

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Speaker 13: So I had been blogging for about six years online,

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01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 13: I'd built a pretty steady audience, and you know, I

1304
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 13: when I was young, I consumed a lot of self

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Speaker 13: help material, and I was kind of disillusioned with it.

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Speaker 7: I thought a lot of it was very just.

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01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 13: Bs and Pollyanna and just like really tell like it

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01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 13: was designed to make you feel good about your life

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Speaker 13: and not actually like do anything about your life. And

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Speaker 13: so in the early twenty tens, I started asking myself, like, Okay,

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Speaker 13: what would actually like if there was a form of

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Speaker 13: self help that was just very honest about how difficult

1313
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Speaker 13: life's problems can be and how difficult the solutions to

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Speaker 13: life's problems can be. What would that look like and

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01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 13: what would it sound like? And how would you have

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01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 13: to write it so that people would actually enjoy reading it?

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Speaker 13: And that was kind of I guess. So my own

1318
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 13: frustrations with the industry was the starting point for what

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Speaker 13: eventually became my books.

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Speaker 2: Were you surprised when it happened?

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Speaker 7: I was surprised The extent of it.

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Speaker 15: You know.

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Speaker 13: I I was pretty optimistic when the book came out

1324
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Speaker 13: that it was going to do well and that it

1325
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 13: would it would resonate and sell well. But you know,

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Speaker 13: I think it was number one in thirteen different countries.

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Speaker 13: It sold seventeen million copies worldwide. At this point, you know,

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Speaker 13: I'm going back to New Zealand again to do a

1329
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 13: speaking event eight years later, you know.

1330
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Speaker 7: So it's just all of these things are.

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Speaker 13: It's the it's the extent of it that was just

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Speaker 13: so mind blowing and still to this day is kind

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01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 13: of surprising.

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Speaker 2: To me exactly. Or hold on, Mike, We'll come back

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Speaker 2: in just a couple of moments. Mike Manson of the

1336
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 2: subtle art of not giving an f or in a

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Speaker 2: moment thirteen past.

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Speaker 1: The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, cowed

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Speaker 1: by News Talk.

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Speaker 2: Zippy News Talks caught a past eight Mike Mansin's with

1341
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Speaker 2: us out of Los Angeles Now, without getting too existential

1342
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 2: about it, is what drove all of the success in

1343
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 2: the book and all of that sort of thing. I

1344
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 2: I want to be an author, a successful author, versus

1345
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 2: say I was going to do this no matter what.

1346
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 2: I just happened to get famous.

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01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 13: No, I mean my I've never been primarily motivated by

1348
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 13: like fame or money. It's to me, it's like fame

1349
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 13: and money are useful ways to measure your progress in

1350
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 13: this field. You know, for me it was I was

1351
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 13: very much driven I still am driven by, for lack

1352
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 13: of a better term, like cleaning up the self help industry,

1353
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 13: like like fixing you know, putting out good advice that

1354
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 13: actually works and it's actually useful for people, and and

1355
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 13: and is practical and the scientifically based. Like that's always

1356
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 13: been the motivation. I think just in the process of

1357
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 13: doing that. A good way to measure the impact that

1358
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,439
Speaker 13: you're having is, Okay, how many books am I selling?

1359
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 13: How many people are reading my my newsletter each week?

1360
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 7: How many interviews am I doing?

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Speaker 13: It? Like those become useful metrics on the way, but

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01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 13: they were never the point. Like I can honestly say that,

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01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 13: you know, I probably would have done the same thing

1364
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 13: even if it if it the book didn't do nearly

1365
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 13: as well.

1366
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Speaker 2: Does the white of expectations sit hitvily on your shoulders

1367
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 2: these days because of your success?

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Speaker 10: Uh?

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01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 13: It did for a number of years. I think there

1370
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 13: there's like this. You know, in the in showbiz they

1371
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 13: call it a sophomore slump, which is when your debut

1372
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 13: thing is just massively successful. There's all of this expectation

1373
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 13: and pressure that's put on you for like the next thing,

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Speaker 13: and I definitely suffered quite a bit from that. I

1375
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 13: think at this point though, I'm like, I'm far enough

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01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 13: removed in my career to well not given f to

1377
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 13: realize to realize that that I'm going to create a

1378
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 13: lot of things over the course of my life, and

1379
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Speaker 13: I'm going to do a lot of things, and some

1380
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 13: of them are going to be really successful, and some

1381
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Speaker 13: of them are gonna bomb horribly, and that's okay. I

1382
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 13: don't get to choose which ones turn out which, So

1383
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 13: I just need to do the best work I possibly can.

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Speaker 13: It took me a number of years to get yeah

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Speaker 13: to that point, but I am there today.

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Speaker 2: I think you're very lucky. How old are you? I

1387
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Speaker 2: just turned forty, Okay, so you turn forty. I'm fifty nine, right,

1388
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 2: So I feel that I'm like you, I've been around

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01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 2: a long time. It doesn't matter anymore. I just have

1390
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Speaker 2: the best time, and it is what it is. But

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01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 2: that took me a long time to get where I

1392
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 2: am at. Whereas if you if you try, which is

1393
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,759
Speaker 2: my question, do you truly believe what you just said

1394
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 2: is true?

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01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, for sure, for sure.

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Speaker 13: I mean it's some of that is just having enough

1398
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 13: experience to trust to yourself, I think, and not depend

1399
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Speaker 13: so much on like, oh my god, are people gonna

1400
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Speaker 13: like me? Are they going to like my new thing?

1401
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 13: It's you have to kind of you need to do

1402
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 13: enough work in the world to, like, I guess, earn

1403
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 13: the confidence to stay on the path. But I mean

1404
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 13: some of it too, is just uh, you know, financial security.

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Speaker 7: Like it's if the.

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Speaker 13: Next thing bombs, like, I'm gonna be okay, so I

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01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:48,839
Speaker 13: don't it. Actually the sixth there was a real mindset

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Speaker 13: shift for me when I stopped thinking of the subtle

1409
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 13: art and not giving it enough as something that I

1410
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Speaker 13: needed to live up to, and started thinking of it

1411
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Speaker 13: as something that like bought me creative freedom for the rest.

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Speaker 7: Of my life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. And so you did you come to that

1414
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 2: conclusion by yourself or did somebody point that out to you?

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Speaker 8: Uh?

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Speaker 13: I mean, I'm I'm sure it Like it was a

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01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 13: multi year process, and I talked to a lot of

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Speaker 13: people in my life, you know, as I struggled through it,

1419
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 13: so but it ultimately, Yeah, it was something that I

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Speaker 13: had to like.

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Speaker 7: Fashi into my thick skull.

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Speaker 14: Uh at some.

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Speaker 2: Point, how have you turned it into a show?

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Speaker 7: What do you mean when you're coming to New.

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Speaker 2: Zealand you're going to be presenting it as a shot

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Speaker 2: like like, well, what's on stage that wasn't on in

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Speaker 2: the book? Or is it what's on stage what was

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Speaker 2: in the book?

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Speaker 13: Uh? No, it's completely different. I mean it will be uh,

1430
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 13: you know, inspired by the philosophy of the book, but

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Speaker 13: essentially what's on stage is uh, it's ninety percent new material,

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Speaker 13: it's new ideas, it's stuff that I've been working on

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Speaker 13: the past few years. It'll be part talk, lots of jokes,

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Speaker 13: some fun stories, audience, Q and A. They'll be meeting

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Speaker 13: greets afterwards. So it would just be a fun night

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Speaker 13: and for people who you know, want to learn something,

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Speaker 13: want to improve something in their lives, want to meet

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Speaker 13: other people who are on a similar path.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic, it'll be great. Fantastic that your view on TikTok

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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. If if you do nothing else

1441
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Speaker 2: in the world, get people off TikTok.

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Speaker 13: Yes please, and we can advertise that down there and

1443
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Speaker 13: Arkland and well to you know, it's like come to

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Speaker 13: the Mark Manson show.

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Speaker 7: It's better than TikTok.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well exactly, and you're not actually saying much by

1447
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Speaker 2: saying that, but anyway, it's going to be. It's going

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Speaker 2: to be a good chunk here. Listen, lovely to talk

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Speaker 2: with you. Go well and we'll maybe talk when you

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Speaker 2: get here.

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Speaker 7: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: There we go. Mike mentioned now at Los Angeles who show,

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Speaker 2: interview Mike, Mike, I read both subtle art books. Just

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Speaker 2: brilliant they are, aren't they?

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Speaker 19: Mike.

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Speaker 2: Great interview with Mike. I've read that book and I'm

1480
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Speaker 2: now going to get it out and read it again.

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Speaker 2: Well done, Peter, glad you enjoyed it. Speaking of people

1482
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Speaker 2: who had a book changed their lives. Malcolm Gladwell hasn't

1483
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Speaker 2: been on the program for a good number of years,

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Speaker 2: so we thought he would get him back. So he's

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Speaker 2: on in the next week or two. Mike Transpower is

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Speaker 2: a total fault. It hired contractors. It's responsible for all

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Speaker 2: the contractor's faults. A lot of you texted that and

1488
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Speaker 2: disagreed with me. I know what you're saying, and ultimately,

1489
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Speaker 2: of course you're right. I mean, the buck stops at

1490
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Speaker 2: the top. You can't avoid that. But all I was

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Speaker 2: trying to explain is at some point you've got to

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Speaker 2: place some level of responsibility on the people you are

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Speaker 2: paying money to do a job. And so you've got

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Speaker 2: to have a little bit of faith in a little

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Speaker 2: bit of trust in that, and they've got to carry

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Speaker 2: some of the can. Having said all of that, I'm partially,

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Speaker 2: not totally, so this isn't my fault, but I'm partially

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Speaker 2: in charge of a tower. And on that tower is

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Speaker 2: the AM transmission of this particular radio station, and that's

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Speaker 2: ten eighty on the mighty AM dial. And once again

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Speaker 2: I reiterate to those of you who are having trouble

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Speaker 2: listening to me on ten eighty this morning, get off AM.

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Speaker 2: That is my message. If you do nothing else today,

1504
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 2: get AM out of your life. Listening to me on

1505
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 2: AM is only a half baked experience. You get the

1506
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 2: full HOSK on the FM.

1507
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 10: So that's unless you happen to be listening to us

1508
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,839
Speaker 10: somewhere where we aren't on an FM frequency.

1509
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 2: Well ten eighty is in Auckland.

1510
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, but I'm just saying you think you don't.

1511
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 10: Don't tell everybody to leave everywhere.

1512
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 2: No, I don't leave everywhere. If you haven't got if

1513
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 2: you haven't got an FM to go to, if you

1514
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 2: haven't got an FM to go to, don't go anywhere.

1515
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 2: But if you've got an FM to go to, a

1516
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 2: better looking FM, a slim attract of looking FM, don't

1517
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 2: the AM move on anyway. Ten eighty has got problems,

1518
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 2: but we've got a crack squad of people. Either that

1519
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 2: or the engineering department look looking at it and it

1520
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 2: will be fixed.

1521
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 1: Big News Bold opinions, the mic Hosking breakfast with the

1522
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 1: Jaguar f base cut from a different cloth.

1523
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 2: News togs edb like we're an Utiphi five minutes from

1524
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 2: the city. As a Nelson have spoken to numerous textas.

1525
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 2: We cannot get you on FM. Would like to put

1526
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 2: you through the soundbar. You're not the only one. I'm

1527
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 2: in fung array using my trusty twenty year old stereo.

1528
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 2: I cannot get you on FM. It's not good enough.

1529
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 2: I need to do something about this before I retire.

1530
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 2: It's impossible to get the full HOSK along the Capity

1531
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 2: coast on the FM. Possibly get the engineers to check

1532
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 2: their intenor alignment or install a repeater. I'm getting a

1533
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 2: repeater in the barn in the country. By the way,

1534
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 2: that's an exercise. I didn't realize it was quite I

1535
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:50,759
Speaker 2: was full on starlink and the starlink I can see

1536
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 2: from the barn. I can see the starlink. If I

1537
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 2: can see the starlink, surely I can get a bit

1538
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 2: of signal into the barn. And yet I can't. So

1539
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 2: I'm having to get a What will I begin?

1540
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 10: It's because a repeating Neither the dish that you're looking at, yeah,

1541
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:09,919
Speaker 10: nor you as a person. Yes, neither of those things

1542
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 10: are met wi FI. So I would hope I know.

1543
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 10: Actually you got veccinated, didn't you, So you probably don't know.

1544
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 5: I am.

1545
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 2: I feel I am imagining something, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1546
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 2: it could be just yes, twenty two minutes away from.

1547
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 12: Nine international correspondence with Insieye Insurance Peace of Mind for

1548
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 12: New Zealand business.

1549
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 2: Before I go, I'm going to play you this, this

1550
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 2: is this is slam and defending his kid and all

1551
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 2: the money.

1552
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 6: And we had a situation where the election was called

1553
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 6: not when we expected it. I think most people my

1554
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 6: son happened to be in the middle of his GCSEs.

1555
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 6: That means there are a lot of journalists outside the

1556
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 6: front door and in the street. I'm not complaining about that.

1557
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 6: So I said, we're going to get you out of

1558
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 6: here and get you somewhere where you can just study

1559
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 6: and get to school them back without having to go

1560
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 6: through all of that. And that's when someone says, well,

1561
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 6: in which case, I can make this flat available to you.

1562
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 6: It's safe, secure, he can get on with it. No

1563
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,959
Speaker 6: money exchanged hands. We didn't know money exchanged hands.

1564
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 2: Anyway, we'll cover all off Rod's weather this morning.

1565
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:12,879
Speaker 5: Makee good ball into you mate.

1566
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 2: Right, he's busy, you can say that about him. So

1567
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 2: he gives the conference speech. The keynote talks about sausages.

1568
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 2: Then he then defends his kid going for more Ali

1569
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 2: Wah lead money, and then he goes to New York

1570
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:25,640
Speaker 2: and he talks to the UN So we got a

1571
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 2: lot on the Labor conference speech. The conference itself has

1572
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 2: keynote address.

1573
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 5: How do you think it went six out of ten?

1574
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 5: Five out of ten. Maybe he's not a great orator.

1575
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 5: He said nothing of substance. He made one massive gas,

1576
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 5: which is just a slip of the tongue, but there's

1577
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 5: nonetheless dominated all the headlines ever since, which was referring

1578
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 5: to the Israeli hostages as sausages, as you alluded. And

1579
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 5: he said nothing of any substance apart from to slightly

1580
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:58,679
Speaker 5: tweak the message that everything in the country is gasping

1581
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 5: and it's going to get worse. He said, everything's grassly,

1582
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 5: but it's going to get a bit better sometime in

1583
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 5: the future perhaps, And then of course he went he

1584
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 5: went up to the un and whilst he was doing so,

1585
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 5: the Conference voted against him, which is it is quite

1586
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 5: unusual in a labor leader for such a review to happen,

1587
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 5: especially one who has just taken office as Prime Minister.

1588
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 5: So the Conference voted to reverse the enter the winter

1589
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 5: fuel payments which Starr and Reeves had announced. It's not binding,

1590
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter, but it's just an indication of where

1591
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 5: the Labor Party lies.

1592
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 2: Well, where does the Labor Party lie? And the reason

1593
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 2: I asked that question is he did an interview on

1594
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 2: the Today program and he believes the people like that.

1595
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 2: And this is my ongoing thing that you and I

1596
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 2: talk about, Rod, I can't work out where the Labor

1597
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 2: Party we're at. So the heating it's very conservative, it's

1598
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 2: not traditional labor. But he believes that people claiming long

1599
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 2: term sickness benefits should be expected to work. But then

1600
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 2: he goes quite often, I think what lies behind this

1601
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 2: is a fear for someone who's been long term sickness

1602
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 2: that they can't get back to the workplace. Are they

1603
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 2: going to be able to cope? Is it all going

1604
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 2: to go hopelessly wrong? What does he want to do

1605
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 2: wipe their bumps? Is he a left leaner? Is he

1606
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 2: a conservative?

1607
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 5: What is he? Well? It's very very difficult, isn't it,

1608
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 5: Because what he's trying to do is to tick the

1609
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 5: right wing boxes, which is, you know, we have nine

1610
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 5: point four million people who don't do a day's work

1611
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:28,520
Speaker 5: and have no intention of doing so. And he realizes

1612
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 5: that to the right that is a really big issue

1613
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 5: and he needs to not towards it. But the Labor

1614
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 5: Party generally, it's heart is not in that particular war.

1615
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 5: Its heart is far more in clamping down on tax

1616
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 5: evasion by the well off rather than in tightening up

1617
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 5: benefits so that people actually see a difference between what

1618
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:50,600
Speaker 5: happens when they go up to work and when they

1619
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 5: sit at home on their backsides. So he tries to play,

1620
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 5: He tries to write two trains at the same time,

1621
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 5: and of course succeeds in staying on the of them,

1622
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 5: and that's going to be a real problem for him

1623
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 5: and a big problem for him and within his party

1624
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 5: as well. Meanwhile, you know, at the UN he wasn't bad.

1625
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 5: At the UN. He was very very resolute on Russia

1626
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 5: and very outspoken on Russia, the worst application of the

1627
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 5: Charter in a generation, and that Russia shouldn't even be

1628
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 5: in the room here to listen to this. And he

1629
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 5: was quite harsh on Israel as well, saying, you know,

1630
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 5: no more, no more excuses to stop, and let's get

1631
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 5: the hostages back as well. So all things to all

1632
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 5: men in very many ways.

1633
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 9: Mate, I guess so.

1634
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 2: But and probably glad to be in New York because

1635
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,680
Speaker 2: back home, once again, Lord ar Lee strikes when he

1636
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 2: talks about Ali giving his kid the accommodation. Does he

1637
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:56,679
Speaker 2: have any indication of how fantastically out of touch he sounds.

1638
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 5: No, I don't think. I don't think that. I don't

1639
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:05,719
Speaker 5: think the Labor Party really grasps how badly the voters

1640
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 5: take this stuff. Because the Labour Party thinks that they're

1641
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 5: decent human beings because they're on the left and therefore

1642
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 5: cannot be venal and grasping. But of course they are

1643
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 5: venal and grasping just as much as the Conservatives are,

1644
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 5: if not more. And no, they don't really understand it

1645
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 5: at all. And you know, trouble dogged him even as

1646
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:31,720
Speaker 5: he went to New York to the UN with a

1647
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 5: spat between the Trump camp and Angela Eagle, a long

1648
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 5: term half wit from the party. We've had Angela Eagle

1649
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 5: around for thirty years, who said that Donald Trump had

1650
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 5: been guilty of antagonizing the right by talking of the

1651
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 5: immigration problems and therefore fueling racism. And Trump of course said,

1652
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 5: who the hell are you get lost?

1653
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 2: Exactly precisely I had promised him. Faithfully. He refers to

1654
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 2: his son that I would give them an environment in

1655
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 2: which he could calmly get on. His one chance to

1656
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:11,719
Speaker 2: do is gc ses. And therefore we relocated somewhere else.

1657
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 2: So no hotel, no motel, no Uncle Gary's, no cousin's place,

1658
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 2: no nothing, just Lord while Ali comes to the party again.

1659
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 5: Yes, it's incredible. And you think of all the kids

1660
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 5: who were trying to do their two CSCs in a

1661
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:29,560
Speaker 5: you know, two up to down council is stated Manchester,

1662
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:33,759
Speaker 5: and how they will react towards hearing that it's shocking.

1663
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 5: It's and he does not grasp how deeply it is

1664
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 5: felt by the public.

1665
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 2: No, not all right, Mike, have a good weekend, will

1666
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 2: catch up so Rod little out of Britain for a

1667
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 2: sixteen to nine already the.

1668
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

1669
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 1: News Talks at.

1670
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 2: Be listeners to the rescue as always, Mike. If you've

1671
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 2: got a signal to your house already, use low cost

1672
01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 2: microwave point to point link. It's the line of sight

1673
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 2: transmitter to the receiver. Little box breaks it back out

1674
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 2: to an FM signal straight into your receiver. Can also

1675
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 2: parallel transmit network signals for computers in the light. I

1676
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 2: thought it'd be something like that.

1677
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what I thought it was.

1678
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 2: I'd do it myself. I thought we'd thought i'd need

1679
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 2: to get a professional.

1680
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 10: But now you put it like, so, hang on, we

1681
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 10: get the microwave, We get the microwave, is it we

1682
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 10: put it on defrost or yeah?

1683
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 2: For six minutes? Yeah, power setting seven. That'll do it.

1684
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 2: Another one of these surveys where you ask the question,

1685
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 2: why do you bother? Because none of it's true? Robert.

1686
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 2: Half have put out their survey this morning about how

1687
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 2: we're all taking a second job. Forty nine percent of

1688
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:43,600
Speaker 2: us are considering taking a second job. What crap? What

1689
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 2: complete and utter crap.

1690
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 10: Well, it's about two thirds of us, and this.

1691
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 2: Forty two percent second jobs necessary to meet their financial needs.

1692
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 2: So if if almost half are looking for a second job,

1693
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:58,680
Speaker 2: what about the people are unemployed? Are they looking for

1694
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 2: a first job? I mean, if you can don't make

1695
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 2: ends meet with you one job and you want two jobs?

1696
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 2: What about the people have no jobs? Why aren't they

1697
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 2: looking for one job? How hard can it be? Thirty

1698
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 2: two percent say they would do so for some extra

1699
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,799
Speaker 2: funds for discretionary spinning. Fair enough, that's the gig economy,

1700
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 2: isn't it.

1701
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 13: You know?

1702
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 2: Side hustle, Fifty six percent believe their employer would be

1703
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 2: supportive of them taking a second job. I hadn't thought

1704
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 2: about it that way. I might go get a job

1705
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 2: on the Breeze. Why don't I do that? Why don't

1706
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 2: I go to afternoons on the Breeze.

1707
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 10: Well, your current employer may be happy about it. I'm

1708
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 10: not sure about the people at the Breeze whether that'd

1709
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 10: be there any welcome meet.

1710
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:39,760
Speaker 2: Don't you worry hosk with the hits? With is that

1711
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 2: what they do with the hits? Six in a row?

1712
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 2: How many of that up to h the Breeze like

1713
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:45,639
Speaker 2: nine and a row? What do they do for even

1714
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 2: still the station? Oh fantastic?

1715
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:47,600
Speaker 5: Do you know?

1716
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Speaker 2: One of my most successful radio programs was at four

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Speaker 2: x O Underneaeden, which doesn't rate, doesn't exist anymore, not

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Speaker 2: because I was there.

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Speaker 10: Are you very quick to put that out there?

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01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 2: Anyway? I did mid day till four and I worked

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Speaker 2: out that the trick, if you're playing music on the radio,

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01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 2: the trick has not to say anything, And so I didn't,

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Speaker 2: And so I'd play four to five in a row

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Speaker 2: before I'd say anything, and only then it was to

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01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 2: tell the time and go into an ad break, then

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Speaker 2: play another four and five in a row, and they

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01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 2: were amazed at how well I rated, and I thought, ah,

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Speaker 2: I'm barely doing anything too, I'm rating through the roof.

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01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 2: It was fantastic. Then z B ragnid and even the

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Speaker 2: whole thing started and played from there. Where was I

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Speaker 2: fifty six percent believe their employer would be supportive of

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Speaker 2: them taking a second job. Well, there you go, Jason

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Speaker 2: will be into that. Wady a backup job in case

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01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 2: of layoff. This said probably applicable now given what I

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01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 2: just said. And seven percent, Now this is the best

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Speaker 2: one to fulfill personal goals.

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Speaker 19: There you go.

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Speaker 2: That's well worth getting a second job for Top tips

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Speaker 2: for Life from Mike nine Away from nine.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Costing Breakfast with a Veda Retirement Communities News.

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Speaker 2: Tom said, b speaking of people with jobs, we have

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Speaker 2: to congratulate this morning Aluro Healthcare, A Louro Healthcare, which

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Speaker 2: is where I get my toothpaste, isn't it? Yes, so

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Speaker 2: I have special toothpaste.

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Speaker 10: Nobody surprised to hear that. I mean, it's like it's

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Speaker 10: the least surprising thing that they've heard from the show today.

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Speaker 2: I have special toothpaste because I'm a weirdo. Anyway, A

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01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 2: Louro Healthcare. And this is why a Louro Healthcare. They

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Speaker 2: supply me with my special toothpaste. And they won last

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Speaker 2: night the under twenty Employees Best Company, Best Places to

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Speaker 2: Work award in the country. So isn't that exciting? And

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01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 2: the GM is it GM. The GM of that particular

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01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,720
Speaker 2: company is none other than the person who decided to

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Speaker 2: marry Glenn.

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Speaker 10: So she's made one terrible decision and decisions good company.

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Speaker 2: Other one hmm. Sex Away from nine Trending now.

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Speaker 1: The home of big brand cosmetics.

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Speaker 2: And when I say company, I mean the stuff she sells,

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01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 2: not what she keeps. Now we've got the You've made

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Speaker 2: that super clear. Now, Okay, Rock and Roll Hall of

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01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 2: Fame have unveiled their lineup. So it's Sunday, October twenty

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Speaker 2: here if you're interested in that, it's on Disney Plus.

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Speaker 2: It's at the Rock at Mortgage Field in Cleveland, classy.

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Speaker 2: So this list is who the hosts or the people

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Speaker 2: people performing? Oh, they're performing? So doctor Dre is performing?

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Speaker 2: Is did he going to be there?

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Speaker 14: No?

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Speaker 2: Demi Lovato, du a Leaper, Ellen May, Ellen may I've

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Speaker 2: never heard her. James Taylor, he was at the he

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01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 2: was with Old Harris the other day at the convention.

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Speaker 2: He does the conventions. He's brilliant. Jelly Roll, Julia Roberts,

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Speaker 2: Julia Roberts, she going to do Keith Urban, Kenny Chesney,

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Speaker 2: we love her method Man, Roger Daltrey, Slash Love, Slash

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Speaker 2: the Roots. They're going to be introducing who's going to

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Speaker 2: be in the Hall of Fame. This is where it

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Speaker 2: gets a bit thin round the edges, doesn't it, to

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Speaker 2: be honest? I mean a lot of people are in

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01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame, clearly. Mary J. Blige, I mean, okay,

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Speaker 2: fair enough share Now that's I would argue over you.

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Speaker 2: Given what she's done. I would have thought you'd be

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Speaker 2: the Dave Matthews band. Dave Matthews, I had one hit band.

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Speaker 15: What was this it?

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Speaker 2: It was only one of them anyway, Foreigner, they're good.

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Speaker 2: Peter Frampton, he was excellent. Cool in the Gang, Cool

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Speaker 2: call on the Gang were at the Singapore gron Privi

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Speaker 2: other day and they looked like guys who used to

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Speaker 2: sing music in nightclubs in the seventies, and they had

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Speaker 2: sleeveless bests with glittery emblems on the front, and they

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Speaker 2: were drinking red Bull and I thought, now there's has

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Speaker 2: been banned A bed didn't think that's rock and roll. Now,

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Speaker 2: I didn't think that's rock and roll. I just thought

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Speaker 2: there's a couple of old guys in the garage. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: they were in Singapore the other day, but they're turning

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Speaker 2: up for the rock and rolls. All the fame and

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Speaker 2: Aussie Osborne. Remember Ossie on the show Haney? Those were

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Speaker 2: the days? Was that the high point of our program?

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Speaker 2: Is it when we peaked?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I guess you could describe it as that.

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Speaker 2: I felt pretty good at the time. A tribe called

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Speaker 2: quest visit a tribe called quest is a quest, whereas

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Speaker 2: the whole thing's a tribe called quist to night.

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01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 10: Don't you know that a tribe called quiest free ever

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01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 10: shifted the hip hop landscape and expanded the creative possibilities

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01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:30,839
Speaker 10: for the genres.

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01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 2: Could they get me FM and the bar?

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Speaker 10: Can you tell that their freedom of expression, ingenuity and

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01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:39,639
Speaker 10: minimalist brilliance continue to inspire generations of hip hop artists

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Speaker 10: and fans.

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Speaker 2: Do they sell special to the place? I'm not interested

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Speaker 2: in them anyway, it's all on Disney Plus. We're back

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Speaker 2: tomorrow morning with what we'll resemble a program until when

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Speaker 2: Happy Days.

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Speaker 1: For more from the mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to

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