1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: Well, as I told you earlier, someone heard us having 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: a crack at the Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown earlier about 3 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: the record rates hike that the super city has just 4 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: had announced to it. True to his word, Auckland Mayor 5 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Wayne Brown has phoned us up high wayn Hello, Heather, 6 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: you know I was just talking about you just before. 7 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard that's they've been spouting rubbish. 8 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: All right, let's crack into it. How much is running 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: the CRL actually going to. 10 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: Cost two hundred and twenty six million a year? Because 11 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: it includes you have to pay for it. I know 12 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: that probably thinks things are free, but the moment it opens, 13 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: we have to start paying for it. 14 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: What are you paying for though? Is this the operating 15 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: cost or is the capital expenditure? 16 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 2: Well? 17 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: Both, you know, for the operating coster? How much is 18 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: the operating cost? Way, because that's what we're talking about. 19 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: Is that not? Is that not twenty six million dollars? 20 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: The total cost is two hundred and twenty six million dollars, 21 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: which is made up of several things including paying for it. 22 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: And you have to start with the deal that was 23 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: struck before. Was it start the moment it's handed over 24 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: to us. We have to start paying for it whether 25 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: you use it, and if you don't start paying for 26 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 2: they take it off you. 27 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: Who takes it off you? 28 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: You can't the people we owe that we awell the 29 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: money to. I mean, it's just like if you finish 30 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: your house that you have to pay for at the end. 31 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: The moment you move in, you start paying for it. 32 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: You also have to pay for the telephones and the 33 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: lights and everything. You have to pay it off. The 34 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 2: idea that you move in and you only pay for 35 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: just the operation is that's a sort of a world 36 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: where people think that capital money is different from operating money. 37 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: It's all money. 38 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: Okay, I think that people are talking about different things. 39 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: So let's just get this right. The operating cost annually 40 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: is twenty six million dollars. The remainder is the cost 41 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: of purchasing, the depreciation everything else. 42 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a bit more than twenty six, but it 43 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: is divided up along those lines. It's more or less right. 44 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: But you start to start paying. So the idea that 45 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: we don't pay. 46 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: For it, so okay, certainly. 47 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 2: You can't use it. You use it. 48 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: The operating cost of the CRL is one percent, Yes, 49 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: one percent, rates rise. 50 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: The operating cost the moment you take it over is 51 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: eleven percent, and you're only getting a seven point nine 52 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: percent rise because we've saved have to save the other 53 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 2: five But most of what you when you when you 54 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 2: pay your race, it's paying things off. They're not free. 55 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 2: It's not free to have a raid, it's not free 56 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: to have a train, it's not free to have a bucket. 57 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: I really think people. 58 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: Pay no, no, no, we're not coming across purposes because 59 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: the idea is the day you have to open, so 60 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 2: you have to start paying for it. And that's why 61 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: the raids went up. 62 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: Okay, did you know this was coming? 63 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 2: Well, yes, of course I know it's coming the moment, 64 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: but ten years ago they signed a contract, a contract 65 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 2: which I was very critical of. You might mind because 66 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: a it's pagging too long, it cost too much, But 67 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: they signed it up years ago, and so the day 68 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: that it finishes, you have to start paying the money. 69 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: Okay, so you knew this was coming in twenty twenty 70 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: five and twenty sexists would be paying for it. But 71 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: by twenty twenty seven, will you still be able to 72 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: keep your promise that rates rises would be kept at 73 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: one percent? One point five. 74 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 2: Percent three point five above nation. We were yeah, yes, 75 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: we will. We This is really disingenuous of those prexit 76 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: tax payers. That's probably because I told them if off 77 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 2: recently and despite the fact that I exposed that it 78 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: would be the end of me, that just made me 79 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: more profitable, more proper popular, because you got to tell 80 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: the truth sometimes. Then we had a long term plan 81 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: set up last year. It's called a long term plan 82 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: for two is one takes a long time to get it, 83 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: and b it stands for the next ten years. And 84 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: we promised the rate payers last year five point one percent. 85 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: This year seven point nine was higher than I wanted 86 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: it to be, but that's because of actions and contrayx 87 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: what you're assigned years ago. But quop, we went me 88 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: and we will stick to that, and we'll stick to 89 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: three point five after that because it was a promise 90 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 2: to the taxpayers. Are nice to my promises, and taxpayer 91 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 2: union chase somebody worth chasing the kids? All right? 92 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: Okay, now Wayne on something else user pays? Would you 93 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: be okay with the idea because I know it pays? 94 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 2: Is the idea of the midnight levy? 95 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally, i'mard that with you. I'm on board 96 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: with that. But the threat that has been coming no cool, 97 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: I know that the threat that's been coming from councils 98 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: around the country today is that if we cap the 99 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: rates rises at four percent, everything else is going to 100 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: go up, parking, pools, libraries. Would you be okay with that? 101 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: With increasing the prices that we paid. 102 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: After next year, we will be backing under four percent anyore. 103 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 2: So that's not a. 104 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: Problem, okay, So we don't need to know in Auckland, 105 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: we do not need to worry about paying more for parking, 106 00:04:54,640 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: more for library. 107 00:04:55,400 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: Or I don't know about libraries, but parking, for instance, 108 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 2: if you and I live in the city, as opposed 109 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: to everybody else on the council in the city, if 110 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: you live in the city, it's one hundred thousand dollars 111 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: to buy a car park and so people want to 112 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:11,679 Speaker 2: park for nothing. 113 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, what I want to get to I want 114 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: to say to you, I live in Freeman's Bay near you, right, 115 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: we live. We live in the same part of the world. 116 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm paying seventy dollars wayne to buy a residential parking 117 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: permit to put my car on the street. Three hundred 118 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: and sixty five days of a year. You should be 119 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: chanting me five hundred bucks for that. 120 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: Oh, it's unbelievable bargain. You should grab it straight away 121 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: and I did, just stuck behind some idiots and bloody 122 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,559 Speaker 2: in the wrong win because of AT mucking things up. Boy. 123 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: I can't wait to get hands on AT. That'll speed 124 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: up East West traffic. I can tell you that trongos 125 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 2: they are. But you're right, seventy dollars. People don't understand 126 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: it's one hundred thousand dollars to buy a car park. 127 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: It's got value. 128 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know what, Wayne, you and I would 129 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: absolutely agree on that. Well, thank you for coming on 130 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: the show and clarifying that there's so much value in 131 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 1: having a chat to you, Wayne Brown, Mayor of Auckland, 132 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: true to his word. 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