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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes Uniquely.

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Speaker 2: For you Tuddle this evening. Trishurson, Shurson, Willis pr and

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Speaker 2: Josephgani Child Fund CEO High Ladies.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hello Trish.

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Speaker 2: Do you ditch or fix n CEA?

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Speaker 3: I would ditch NCA having been a parent with two

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Speaker 3: kids that went through the system. I agree with what

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Speaker 3: Michael was just saying there.

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Speaker 1: To me.

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Speaker 3: The fundamental point is that parents should be able to

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Speaker 3: understand what what the standard or the mark is going

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Speaker 3: to be. And I remember, as a first time ncaa

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Speaker 3: parent sitting in a talk about NCA and feeling completely

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Speaker 3: overwhelmed because it's not just what happens every year, but

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Speaker 3: then there's all this discussion about then how that ladders

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Speaker 3: up and then you're off to university. What I do

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Speaker 3: think is useful to retain, and I think Michael touching

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Speaker 3: it as well, is the fact that the real world

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Speaker 3: you don't study and then sit a three hour exam.

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Speaker 3: So the idea for kids of learning to manage themselves

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Speaker 3: and their work through the year doing assessments, that's actually

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Speaker 3: the way the world works. And I think that that's

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Speaker 3: really good.

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Speaker 2: Do that already, Trisure. I remember having to do that.

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Speaker 2: I remember having to manage my workload in class and

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Speaker 2: after school in order to stay on top of it,

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Speaker 2: in order to never fall behind. Right, So you are

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Speaker 2: doing that in the traditional schooling sense.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's right, except that don't forget in the old way,

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Speaker 3: say school, See what happened is you did all of that,

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Speaker 3: but then it all came down to one three hour

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Speaker 3: exam at the end of the year. And there are

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Speaker 3: some issues for some kids who just that the exam

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Speaker 3: thing just doesn't fres about it. So I think the

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Speaker 3: point is it's got to be based on the kind

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Speaker 3: of curriculum that is delivering excellence in our kids in

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Speaker 3: excellence and education. I've got high confidence in Erica Stanford

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Speaker 3: to be able.

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Speaker 2: To deliver that.

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Speaker 3: All of her work today has been based on deep

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Speaker 3: policy work. So I think it's a really good thing.

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Speaker 3: I think it will be a relief for Pearans and

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Speaker 3: it's a big bit of the education puzzle that we've

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Speaker 3: got to figure out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think, Jersey?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we've all lost confidence in the NCA system,

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Speaker 4: whether it's parents, and you're absolutely right, Trish. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I've had three kids go through it. I still don't

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Speaker 4: understand it. My kids are doing, at one point in history,

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Speaker 4: doing civil rights movement in America, Vietnam, and then randomly

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Speaker 4: the Roman Empire, so you kind of go, how is

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Speaker 4: this giving them a view of history in the world.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, So it feels like it's all a

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Speaker 4: bit too subjective parents. And when parents don't understand it,

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Speaker 4: you've got a problem, right, And then you've got wealthy

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Speaker 4: parents who are sending their kids to private schools doing

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Speaker 4: the baccalaureate and the Cambridge exams. So then you've got

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Speaker 4: everybody else underneath that stuck with a system that clearly

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Speaker 4: parents don't think work. And I think Michael and your

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Speaker 4: interview before is right that teachers are sick of this

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Speaker 4: too because they've got so much marking to do. But

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Speaker 4: I do also think you've got a balance. I mean,

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Speaker 4: there's a reason why in CEO first came about, and

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Speaker 4: it was the concern that the work head's been branded

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Speaker 4: as failures because they didn't pass exams. And I was

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Speaker 4: one of those kids. I hated exams, and so I

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Speaker 4: do think you need to have, you know, a mixture

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Speaker 4: of exams and assessments that work, but it's just gone

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Speaker 4: too far the other way, where you know, you're basically

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Speaker 4: assessing I mean some of the stuff. God, I mean

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Speaker 4: not just baristas. But you know you can get NCAA

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Speaker 4: credits for driving for plucking possums was one, I opery

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Speaker 4: you pluck a possum, but skinner possum probably operating a chainsaw,

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Speaker 4: you know. Providing first aid courses, all of which are

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Speaker 4: really really good, but they shouldn't be part of an

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Speaker 4: education system that's either preparing you for a trade or university.

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Speaker 2: So right, do you feel sorry, Trish for this guy

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Speaker 2: caught out at the Coldplay concert because it blows my

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Speaker 2: mind that there are people having this discussion today. I

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Speaker 2: don't I think that what is this hesitation?

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Speaker 3: You know? Here is here is the key life lesson,

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Speaker 3: Do not fish off the company wharf. Yes, so it

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Speaker 3: wasn't It wasn't the snog on the kiss on camera

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Speaker 3: that was the issue. It was the fact that these

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Speaker 3: were two senior executives who had both but they were

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Speaker 3: fishing off the company whof and that has ended in

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Speaker 3: a global embarrassment, not just for them and their Fano

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Speaker 3: but for but.

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Speaker 2: Is that the problem?

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Speaker 4: Is that the problem? Yes, I see, if you can't

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Speaker 4: have a relationship with your boss and fish off the

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Speaker 4: company wolf, I wouldn't be married. Now I've married boss

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Speaker 4: in there, so exactly right. So you've got to be

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Speaker 4: able to fish off the company wolf. Sometimes it's the

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Speaker 4: only the only choices you think.

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Speaker 3: I think you guys were fishing off the company wolf before.

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Speaker 3: There were a lot of choppy waters around this stuff.

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Speaker 3: And if you look at.

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Speaker 2: It, is that the problem is that they were fishing

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Speaker 2: off the company wharf when they actually one of them

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Speaker 2: was married. That's the point.

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Speaker 4: Well, well one of them on another boat.

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Speaker 3: Well the problem is one of them had a foot

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Speaker 3: in two walka but that that was the problem. But

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Speaker 3: that is but that is the problem. It started with

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Speaker 3: the fishing off the company wharf, and then it was

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Speaker 3: a very untidy back end, and then it ends up

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Speaker 3: a global thing. I thought actually Chris Martin's reaction to

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Speaker 3: it was absolutely fantastic to warn people at upcoming you know, concerts.

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Speaker 3: But also even if you live in a massive city

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Speaker 3: and you're sneaking out on a on a date, you

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Speaker 3: wouldn't go to somewhere like a concert because you are

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Speaker 3: bound to bump into people.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, Josie stop. I can hear you. I

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Speaker 2: hear you. You're getting ready for another burst of This

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Speaker 2: was like a break. We'll come back and do it.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty the ones

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Speaker 2: Joe Spigani wanted to say something gone, Josie.

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Speaker 4: I did, Well, Look, Astronomer is this company that's fired

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Speaker 4: the cheating husband. They make do AI and collect data

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Speaker 4: and so on. I struggle to see how having an

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Speaker 4: extramarital affair will stop this guy doing his job well.

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Speaker 1: As the CEO.

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Speaker 4: So there're being a little bit pompous. I mean they

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Speaker 4: put out this statement going our values and our culture.

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Speaker 4: You know, the standard was not met. We're terribly disappointed.

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Speaker 4: I mean they're not the Catholic Church for goodness sake.

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Speaker 4: So I do think it's a little bit pompous. The

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Speaker 4: biggest mistake that this guy made was dropping down like

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Speaker 4: I said, who doesn't cuddle their HR executives? You know,

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Speaker 4: it's like if he hadn't done that. And the other

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Speaker 4: thing I wanted to say, was what a perfect time

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Speaker 4: for Trump to release the Epstein files. I mean, he

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Speaker 4: really did miss a go here. He should have got

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Speaker 4: it out over the weekend. All we're talking about is

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Speaker 4: the couple at the cold plate.

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Speaker 2: Around the world unbelievable. Okay, do you think, Trisha, do

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Speaker 2: you feel like me that the Wycuttle Medical School is

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Speaker 2: going to blow out?

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Speaker 3: The I well, show me a project like this that

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Speaker 3: doesn't blow out. Having said that, I am I am

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Speaker 3: really getting a grumpy about the fact that these always do,

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Speaker 3: and I think there has got to be a way

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Speaker 3: to properly cost see things. The one bit of comfort

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Speaker 3: I do take is that in between this being a

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Speaker 3: election policy headline for National, David Seymour from ACT has

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Speaker 3: pushed for this to be put through a business case

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Speaker 3: and that's how we've got to the lower taxpayer input today.

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Speaker 3: But again, which I call bs on, Come on, trash.

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Speaker 2: You've been around long enough. If it's a three hundred

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Speaker 2: and eighty million dollar project and it's it's been scaled

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Speaker 2: back to two thirty million and nothing's been cut out,

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Speaker 2: you know this is a pr exercise, isn't it. This

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Speaker 2: thing is going to blow out because they've gone for

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Speaker 2: a lower cost.

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Speaker 3: Well, as I say, as I say, I have never

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Speaker 3: seen one of these projects come in under I mean,

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Speaker 3: but at least this has now gone through a business case.

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Speaker 3: The one thing that I will say about this is

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Speaker 3: that we are crying out for GPS, and if this

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Speaker 3: is a way to get us more GPS, then that

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Speaker 3: is a good thing. Yes, And we may have to

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Speaker 3: look a little bit through the cost. One of the

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Speaker 3: things I was going to say though, is there was

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Speaker 3: an excellent report from a doctor Provani Wood that came

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Speaker 3: and if anyone wants to look at why we need

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Speaker 3: to get our GP our primary care back up to scratch,

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Speaker 3: that report will tell you all about it because it

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Speaker 3: saves us so much money in the interty edutry.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, what do you think, Josie.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you're right, it will blow out. Maybe

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Speaker 4: maybe they've cut the costs by I don't know, not

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Speaker 4: doing the hair straighteners and the coffee machines and god

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Speaker 4: knows what else. You know, the stuff that seems to

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Speaker 4: whole and the order to general dinged it for bad process.

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Speaker 4: an email saying, here's a present for the future National government.

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Speaker 4: and the order to generally, I think was really criticizing

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Speaker 4: the procurement process and wasn't a competitive tender process. Steven

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Speaker 4: Joyce Scott the job of lobbying the government before him,

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Speaker 4: it was Neil Jones, So they're gone left to right

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Speaker 4: depending on who's in government. But I actually agree with you, Trisha,

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Speaker 4: that all of that aside, I still think it's a

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Speaker 4: good thing that we have a third medical school in

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Speaker 4: a rural area that can attract rural potential, rural medical

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Speaker 4: they might actually stay there. So I think this, you know,

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Speaker 4: I think there's a little bit of you know, forget

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Speaker 4: the smelling salts. Yes, it's been a bad process, but

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Speaker 4: if it's got a business case, now i'd like to

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Speaker 4: see it we do it. It is actually a good

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Speaker 4: thing that we have a third medical school, because my god,

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Speaker 4: we need more GPS.

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Speaker 3: Yes, just very quickly. One of the things that Provani

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Speaker 3: would actually said, though, and this may help with this,

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Speaker 3: is that as people go through medical school, the GP

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Speaker 3: option is seen as kind of if you're a bright

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Speaker 3: medical student, you wouldn't take the GP option. And I

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Speaker 3: think that maybe having the focus in the school that

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Speaker 3: might help turn that around.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully, hopefully. Guys, it's good to talk to you. Thank

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Speaker 2: you very much for Herson Hirson, Willis PR and Joe

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Speaker 2: Spagani of child Fun.

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