1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB. 3 00:00:12,587 --> 00:00:15,667 Speaker 2: British and Irish Lions have edged Australia twenty nine to 4 00:00:15,787 --> 00:00:18,987 Speaker 2: twenty six in a thrilling rugby test in front of 5 00:00:19,147 --> 00:00:22,627 Speaker 2: ninety thousand fans in Melbourne, courtesy of a last minute 6 00:00:22,667 --> 00:00:25,987 Speaker 2: try to Hugo Keenan, wrapping up the series two nil 7 00:00:26,307 --> 00:00:29,827 Speaker 2: with one game to spare. The try was awarded despite 8 00:00:29,907 --> 00:00:34,947 Speaker 2: Wallaby's flanker Carlo Tizano appearing to have been illegally cleaned 9 00:00:34,947 --> 00:00:38,267 Speaker 2: out in the build up by Lions reserve back rower 10 00:00:38,387 --> 00:00:42,027 Speaker 2: Jack Morgan. The referees had a look at it afterwards, 11 00:00:42,547 --> 00:00:46,307 Speaker 2: both the rug at the same time in adynamic ruck. 12 00:00:46,707 --> 00:00:50,907 Speaker 3: Players rapping, we don't see any four playing trice down. 13 00:00:54,467 --> 00:01:08,187 Speaker 4: Try for the Lions. Got to come back for the 14 00:01:08,267 --> 00:01:14,467 Speaker 4: Lions and the trophy is going back to the Northern Heimms. 15 00:01:17,587 --> 00:01:21,267 Speaker 2: If he had to say the decision wasn't universally agreed 16 00:01:21,307 --> 00:01:24,107 Speaker 2: with his former Wallaby Morgan to the NUI afterwards, but. 17 00:01:24,107 --> 00:01:27,187 Speaker 3: The end is a penalty to the Wallabies and the 18 00:01:27,267 --> 00:01:30,707 Speaker 3: referees were too weak to give it. It doesn't matter. 19 00:01:30,747 --> 00:01:32,587 Speaker 3: You cannot hit a guy in the back of the neck. 20 00:01:33,227 --> 00:01:36,187 Speaker 3: The referees have got it wrong. It has cost the 21 00:01:36,227 --> 00:01:39,827 Speaker 3: Wallaby's survival in the series. The British and Irish Scions 22 00:01:40,307 --> 00:01:42,707 Speaker 3: lead this series too, Neil. It was brave to come 23 00:01:42,747 --> 00:01:46,067 Speaker 3: back from them, but it is a terrible decision that 24 00:01:46,227 --> 00:01:47,227 Speaker 3: decides this match. 25 00:01:47,627 --> 00:01:49,187 Speaker 2: You are not a lot of gray area there from 26 00:01:49,227 --> 00:01:51,667 Speaker 2: Morgan to the NEWI. The Lions had overcome an eighteen 27 00:01:51,747 --> 00:01:55,587 Speaker 2: point deficit after three first half tries and eight minutes 28 00:01:55,627 --> 00:01:59,427 Speaker 2: for Australia. Let's bring in our favorite Australian rugby voice, 29 00:01:59,467 --> 00:02:03,627 Speaker 2: Brett McKay. Hear him on the eight nine Combo Rugby podcast, 30 00:02:04,107 --> 00:02:08,187 Speaker 2: read him at RugbyPass dot com. Let's start at the end. 31 00:02:08,507 --> 00:02:10,747 Speaker 2: Was it an illegal clean out? 32 00:02:13,187 --> 00:02:16,107 Speaker 5: It didn't look great, I'll say that up up front, 33 00:02:16,187 --> 00:02:18,547 Speaker 5: but having looked at it a few more times, it 34 00:02:18,707 --> 00:02:22,187 Speaker 5: sort it's certainly it wasn't clear. I didn't think and 35 00:02:22,507 --> 00:02:26,907 Speaker 5: I know Joe Schmidt teed off post match about protecting 36 00:02:26,947 --> 00:02:30,627 Speaker 5: welfare of players and things like that, but it kind of, 37 00:02:30,747 --> 00:02:33,667 Speaker 5: I don't know, on a few viewings afterwards, it kind 38 00:02:33,707 --> 00:02:37,227 Speaker 5: of looked like he's probably come down on back of 39 00:02:37,267 --> 00:02:40,627 Speaker 5: shoulders and maybe neck and so you know, maybe that's 40 00:02:40,667 --> 00:02:45,307 Speaker 5: where maybe maybe it's the maybe that it makes it 41 00:02:45,347 --> 00:02:50,947 Speaker 5: a makes it makes it a still a highly contentious moment. 42 00:02:51,027 --> 00:02:53,947 Speaker 5: But it always felt like, in particularly in those last 43 00:02:53,987 --> 00:02:56,107 Speaker 5: five minutes, it was going to come down to a 44 00:02:57,067 --> 00:02:59,227 Speaker 5: big decision like that, and it was just a matter 45 00:02:59,307 --> 00:03:02,027 Speaker 5: of where's it going to come on, which part of 46 00:03:02,027 --> 00:03:05,507 Speaker 5: the field, who's in possession? You know how much time 47 00:03:05,587 --> 00:03:08,107 Speaker 5: lists on the clock and you know there we were 48 00:03:08,227 --> 00:03:13,227 Speaker 5: eightieth minute and it all happened. And the feeling the 49 00:03:13,227 --> 00:03:15,947 Speaker 5: next morning, Mate, I've got to say is still every 50 00:03:15,947 --> 00:03:19,427 Speaker 5: bit is gutting and deflating as it was trying to 51 00:03:19,427 --> 00:03:22,547 Speaker 5: come back to the hotel and you know, wind out 52 00:03:22,627 --> 00:03:26,307 Speaker 5: last night. It's just one of those real, real gut 53 00:03:26,387 --> 00:03:27,907 Speaker 5: punches that just hits you. 54 00:03:28,427 --> 00:03:30,507 Speaker 2: Some of the rugby. The Wallabies played the first half 55 00:03:30,547 --> 00:03:33,467 Speaker 2: out as good as I've seen and I'll get your 56 00:03:33,547 --> 00:03:36,707 Speaker 2: view on this in recent times. How much optimism did 57 00:03:36,707 --> 00:03:38,467 Speaker 2: that give you last night? And does it give you 58 00:03:38,507 --> 00:03:40,187 Speaker 2: I guess moving forward even though this is. 59 00:03:40,147 --> 00:03:43,267 Speaker 5: Deflating, Yeah, look, it has to Mate, it and your 60 00:03:43,307 --> 00:03:45,387 Speaker 5: spot on it was, you know, it was probably the 61 00:03:46,547 --> 00:03:50,667 Speaker 5: it was probably the most comprehensive, you know, thirty four, 62 00:03:50,787 --> 00:03:53,187 Speaker 5: thirty five minutes of the first half that we've seen 63 00:03:53,187 --> 00:03:57,227 Speaker 5: from this playing group. You know, the we've we've been 64 00:03:57,267 --> 00:03:59,627 Speaker 5: talking on the eight nine all week about them having 65 00:03:59,667 --> 00:04:02,787 Speaker 5: to you know, start well, get out to a lead early, 66 00:04:02,947 --> 00:04:06,307 Speaker 5: extend it. What really really pushed the lines because we 67 00:04:06,427 --> 00:04:09,147 Speaker 5: hadn't seen that of them this this tour. The only 68 00:04:09,187 --> 00:04:12,627 Speaker 5: time that the Lawrens had trailed at halftime was in 69 00:04:12,707 --> 00:04:17,067 Speaker 5: Dublin against Argentina and so you know, the Reds, the Brumbies, 70 00:04:17,067 --> 00:04:18,907 Speaker 5: even the Warrior task to an extent. So the first 71 00:04:18,987 --> 00:04:22,147 Speaker 5: Nations game here in Melbourne on Tuesday night, you know, 72 00:04:22,227 --> 00:04:24,827 Speaker 5: they sort of try for try early on and the 73 00:04:24,907 --> 00:04:27,067 Speaker 5: Lions had to try to really catch up to play 74 00:04:27,147 --> 00:04:30,107 Speaker 5: the game. But at no point on tour had the 75 00:04:30,187 --> 00:04:33,147 Speaker 5: Lions trailed and really had to play to get back 76 00:04:33,147 --> 00:04:35,667 Speaker 5: into the game. And so you know, to build up 77 00:04:35,707 --> 00:04:38,507 Speaker 5: the lead that they did was just absolutely fantastic and 78 00:04:38,547 --> 00:04:41,787 Speaker 5: you're right, played some brilliant rugby, you know, a lot 79 00:04:41,827 --> 00:04:44,747 Speaker 5: more physical in the carry. Found a way to get 80 00:04:44,827 --> 00:04:49,187 Speaker 5: Joseph Suli involved at thirteen and it was his little 81 00:04:49,427 --> 00:04:52,107 Speaker 5: little left footstep to straight and that put Tom puts 82 00:04:52,147 --> 00:04:55,307 Speaker 5: Tom right away from halfway. So you know, a really 83 00:04:55,307 --> 00:04:58,347 Speaker 5: really good piece of rugby. So look, going forward made 84 00:04:58,707 --> 00:05:01,907 Speaker 5: it's got to bring optimism because you know they've they've 85 00:05:01,947 --> 00:05:05,187 Speaker 5: pushed one of the very best teams in the world, 86 00:05:05,907 --> 00:05:09,787 Speaker 5: you know, all the way and you know probably probably 87 00:05:09,787 --> 00:05:11,907 Speaker 5: could have could make arguments for them for them winning 88 00:05:11,947 --> 00:05:13,947 Speaker 5: that game. So it's got to give them belief. It's 89 00:05:13,947 --> 00:05:15,907 Speaker 5: got to give optimism and it's got to be a 90 00:05:15,907 --> 00:05:17,547 Speaker 5: step forward for austral And rugby from here. 91 00:05:17,707 --> 00:05:19,667 Speaker 2: Tell us about the lines come back though, from twenty 92 00:05:19,707 --> 00:05:21,907 Speaker 2: three to five down. What did they do differently? How 93 00:05:21,907 --> 00:05:23,587 Speaker 2: did they get themselves back into the match. 94 00:05:24,147 --> 00:05:26,147 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was one of those things that there was 95 00:05:26,187 --> 00:05:29,267 Speaker 5: always going to be a response and we've seen we 96 00:05:29,347 --> 00:05:31,587 Speaker 5: have seen in games before halftime and we see this 97 00:05:31,627 --> 00:05:33,867 Speaker 5: against New Zealand. We certainly said against South Africa as well. 98 00:05:34,747 --> 00:05:37,667 Speaker 5: The top teams always managed to find a gear in 99 00:05:37,707 --> 00:05:39,867 Speaker 5: those five minutes either side of half time, don't they, 100 00:05:39,907 --> 00:05:43,187 Speaker 5: And there was just a feeling of they, you know, 101 00:05:43,987 --> 00:05:46,507 Speaker 5: twenty three five would be great, Yere, but they really 102 00:05:46,507 --> 00:05:48,827 Speaker 5: got to make sure it doesn't get it doesn't get 103 00:05:48,867 --> 00:05:51,947 Speaker 5: not narrowed and then you know they score that it's 104 00:05:52,227 --> 00:05:54,187 Speaker 5: second try of curries and that was just a little 105 00:05:54,187 --> 00:05:57,027 Speaker 5: bit soft I think the Lions are able to get 106 00:05:57,067 --> 00:06:01,227 Speaker 5: back into the Wallabies half and then and then twenty 107 00:06:01,307 --> 00:06:05,027 Speaker 5: two I think way too easily. And then the third 108 00:06:05,067 --> 00:06:08,747 Speaker 5: try probably hit them while they're on the back foot. 109 00:06:09,147 --> 00:06:10,827 Speaker 5: Where's that? You know, where's that try come from? Oh, 110 00:06:10,867 --> 00:06:13,627 Speaker 5: now we've conceded another one. And so you know, suddenly, 111 00:06:13,667 --> 00:06:15,787 Speaker 5: as I say, twenty three ten at halftime, they probably 112 00:06:15,827 --> 00:06:19,267 Speaker 5: could have taken, but twenty three seventeen it probably changes 113 00:06:19,307 --> 00:06:22,027 Speaker 5: the messaging at halftime, you can imagine that twenty three ten, 114 00:06:22,667 --> 00:06:25,507 Speaker 5: the messaging is really really positive. You know, it's a 115 00:06:25,547 --> 00:06:28,027 Speaker 5: good lead, boys, let's go out score first, extend that, 116 00:06:28,147 --> 00:06:29,827 Speaker 5: put them on the back foot again, do what we've 117 00:06:29,867 --> 00:06:35,507 Speaker 5: been doing. Twenty three seventeen, though, suddenly it's all, you know, boys, 118 00:06:35,547 --> 00:06:36,867 Speaker 5: this is what we could have but this is what 119 00:06:36,867 --> 00:06:38,587 Speaker 5: we could have been doing instead, We've got to now 120 00:06:38,667 --> 00:06:42,147 Speaker 5: do this. And you know, they did score first. They 121 00:06:42,147 --> 00:06:45,507 Speaker 5: did add that penalty, but that was and that was 122 00:06:45,507 --> 00:06:49,267 Speaker 5: about the fifty third, fifty fourth minute, and after that 123 00:06:49,347 --> 00:06:51,627 Speaker 5: point I actually wasn't one hundred pcent sure where the 124 00:06:51,667 --> 00:06:53,307 Speaker 5: points were going to come from from the Wallabies, and 125 00:06:53,387 --> 00:06:55,947 Speaker 5: that was always a danger. Was twenty six points for 126 00:06:56,027 --> 00:06:58,787 Speaker 5: me enough it never felt really felt like it was 127 00:06:58,907 --> 00:07:00,747 Speaker 5: it was going to and certainly in the last quarter 128 00:07:02,587 --> 00:07:04,707 Speaker 5: was there. We was just no points coming and no 129 00:07:04,787 --> 00:07:06,547 Speaker 5: real threat of points coming from the rubb, from the 130 00:07:06,587 --> 00:07:08,467 Speaker 5: bump from the lines at that point. 131 00:07:08,827 --> 00:07:10,947 Speaker 2: Back to bake t Starts and the team jersey for 132 00:07:11,027 --> 00:07:14,467 Speaker 2: Tom Liner, does he appeal as the long term Wallabies 133 00:07:14,467 --> 00:07:15,107 Speaker 2: first five to you? 134 00:07:16,307 --> 00:07:18,907 Speaker 5: It feels like at the moment, but yes, yes, And 135 00:07:19,347 --> 00:07:23,587 Speaker 5: I think they had a different shape about them last night, 136 00:07:23,867 --> 00:07:26,827 Speaker 5: and I think there was a much better connection with 137 00:07:26,907 --> 00:07:30,067 Speaker 5: the midfield as well. So the big adjustment that we 138 00:07:30,147 --> 00:07:33,427 Speaker 5: noticed was that they were playing, particularly when they were 139 00:07:33,427 --> 00:07:35,787 Speaker 5: going wide to midfield, they were playing playing a lot 140 00:07:35,827 --> 00:07:39,467 Speaker 5: more before the game line. Rather than trying to burst 141 00:07:39,467 --> 00:07:42,667 Speaker 5: Sue Lee through a gap as he made contact in Brisbane, 142 00:07:42,707 --> 00:07:45,427 Speaker 5: they were really playing before the game line and letting 143 00:07:45,507 --> 00:07:48,907 Speaker 5: him do something, you know, with the time and space 144 00:07:48,947 --> 00:07:51,307 Speaker 5: that he had, and it did definitely work. There was 145 00:07:51,347 --> 00:07:54,187 Speaker 5: a few opportunities there to you know, for him to 146 00:07:54,227 --> 00:07:55,747 Speaker 5: make a few little line breaks, to get a few 147 00:07:55,747 --> 00:07:59,467 Speaker 5: little off loads away and things. So Lina certainly takes 148 00:07:59,787 --> 00:08:02,787 Speaker 5: takes credit for that. Obviously, the game plan was was 149 00:08:02,787 --> 00:08:06,787 Speaker 5: tweaked to allow that, So yeah, I think I think 150 00:08:06,787 --> 00:08:10,747 Speaker 5: he does for now. Obviously Noel la Ceo, he's going 151 00:08:10,827 --> 00:08:12,467 Speaker 5: to be out of action for the next six months anyway. 152 00:08:12,507 --> 00:08:15,827 Speaker 5: But him heading to Japan probably meant he wouldn't have 153 00:08:15,867 --> 00:08:19,067 Speaker 5: played the Rugby Championship. I can imagine. I can actually 154 00:08:19,107 --> 00:08:23,107 Speaker 5: imagine now all the guys that are heading overseas at 155 00:08:23,147 --> 00:08:25,187 Speaker 5: the end of this season probably now don't play the 156 00:08:25,267 --> 00:08:28,147 Speaker 5: Rugby Championship, so there'll be a few few players coming there. 157 00:08:28,147 --> 00:08:30,667 Speaker 5: But I think Tom Liner is the is the way 158 00:08:30,707 --> 00:08:35,467 Speaker 5: forward until until such time that the great next Australian 159 00:08:35,667 --> 00:08:39,547 Speaker 5: fly half hope through Super Rugby. 160 00:08:39,987 --> 00:08:43,027 Speaker 2: And does this actually add some spice to next week's 161 00:08:43,347 --> 00:08:45,787 Speaker 2: Suppose he'd rub a third Test? I mean, the series decided, 162 00:08:45,787 --> 00:08:48,227 Speaker 2: but a Wallaby side who feel they were robbed last 163 00:08:48,307 --> 00:08:51,027 Speaker 2: night perhaps deeply motivated to make sure they get one 164 00:08:51,027 --> 00:08:51,747 Speaker 2: back in Sydney. 165 00:08:52,187 --> 00:08:55,667 Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I hope so, mate, I hope so. And 166 00:08:55,347 --> 00:08:58,667 Speaker 5: we had had this this very topic of conversation on 167 00:08:58,707 --> 00:09:01,947 Speaker 5: the on the eight nine post mortem straight out for 168 00:09:01,987 --> 00:09:04,587 Speaker 5: Full Time last night that you know, what does next 169 00:09:04,587 --> 00:09:08,027 Speaker 5: week look like the Lions? Does does Andy Farrell take 170 00:09:08,067 --> 00:09:12,107 Speaker 5: the opportunity to to go to Henry Pollock and Josh 171 00:09:12,107 --> 00:09:14,627 Speaker 5: Thunderflare and maybe Gary ring Rose of his fit to say, 172 00:09:14,627 --> 00:09:17,907 Speaker 5: you know, you guys are part of this. You get 173 00:09:17,907 --> 00:09:20,067 Speaker 5: on even on the field here, Let's let's make sure 174 00:09:20,067 --> 00:09:23,547 Speaker 5: that we finish this three nail sweep equally. Does he 175 00:09:24,387 --> 00:09:26,387 Speaker 5: go hard to make sure he does get that three 176 00:09:26,467 --> 00:09:29,827 Speaker 5: nil sweep? The Wallabies? I can imagine I'd actually like 177 00:09:29,867 --> 00:09:33,467 Speaker 5: to see Joe Schmidt say to last night's twenty three 178 00:09:34,787 --> 00:09:37,827 Speaker 5: pending fitness brother, guys, go and prove that we can 179 00:09:37,827 --> 00:09:41,027 Speaker 5: do it. Let's stop the stop the sweep at any cost. 180 00:09:41,107 --> 00:09:43,027 Speaker 5: So yeah, look, I think the Wallaby is still a 181 00:09:43,067 --> 00:09:45,667 Speaker 5: plenty of motivation. I'll be I'll be curious to see 182 00:09:45,747 --> 00:09:49,147 Speaker 5: what the what the Lions are like next week, because 183 00:09:49,147 --> 00:09:51,187 Speaker 5: they would have had a big night last night. It 184 00:09:51,227 --> 00:09:54,307 Speaker 5: was already starting at the MCG before before we managed 185 00:09:54,307 --> 00:09:56,987 Speaker 5: to pack up in the in the media area. At 186 00:09:56,987 --> 00:10:00,947 Speaker 5: one point, suddenly the whole playing squad emerges out in 187 00:10:00,947 --> 00:10:03,067 Speaker 5: the middle of the Melbourne Creek ground with plastic chairs 188 00:10:03,067 --> 00:10:04,987 Speaker 5: and they're sitting in a circle and they're obviously, you know, 189 00:10:06,147 --> 00:10:08,267 Speaker 5: have cheers and giving thanks for that. And then suddenly 190 00:10:08,707 --> 00:10:11,707 Speaker 5: Hugo Cenan has obviously been dispatched to the corner to 191 00:10:11,747 --> 00:10:16,267 Speaker 5: reenact the try and so suddenly he's just just belted 192 00:10:16,307 --> 00:10:18,587 Speaker 5: up for the try dive for the corner. There was 193 00:10:18,667 --> 00:10:20,747 Speaker 5: much celebrations and they were done. They walked off and 194 00:10:20,787 --> 00:10:23,427 Speaker 5: took their chairs with them, so you know, I can 195 00:10:23,467 --> 00:10:26,227 Speaker 5: imagine Lines had a good night last night as well. 196 00:10:26,547 --> 00:10:28,467 Speaker 2: Great summary of a big night in Melbourne. Thanks so 197 00:10:28,547 --> 00:10:30,747 Speaker 2: much for joining us, Brett, really appreciate your time as always, 198 00:10:30,827 --> 00:10:33,067 Speaker 2: good on. Thanks many no thank you, Brett, Brett McKay, 199 00:10:34,547 --> 00:10:36,627 Speaker 2: you know one of our favorite correspondents. 200 00:10:37,707 --> 00:10:40,867 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 201 00:10:40,987 --> 00:10:44,267 Speaker 1: to News Talk zed B weekends from midday, or follow 202 00:10:44,307 --> 00:10:45,867 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio