1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from News Talk zed B. 3 00:00:12,707 --> 00:00:14,787 Speaker 2: Let's get you to Argentina up and get a reaction 4 00:00:15,227 --> 00:00:17,667 Speaker 2: out of the All Blacks camp. All Blacks assistant coach 5 00:00:18,107 --> 00:00:21,147 Speaker 2: Jason Holland is with us now. Jason, thanks for your time. 6 00:00:21,627 --> 00:00:24,267 Speaker 2: What is front of mind as you reflect on the 7 00:00:24,347 --> 00:00:25,267 Speaker 2: performance tonight? 8 00:00:26,467 --> 00:00:28,307 Speaker 3: Look, there's lots of things from of mine obviously, just 9 00:00:28,947 --> 00:00:34,307 Speaker 3: ultimately really disappointed and in performance. You know, Argentinians played 10 00:00:34,347 --> 00:00:37,467 Speaker 3: some good footy, but you know where we're seeing him 11 00:00:37,547 --> 00:00:40,227 Speaker 3: is a lot of areas tonight and it cost. 12 00:00:40,147 --> 00:00:42,827 Speaker 2: Us which areas in particular? 13 00:00:44,267 --> 00:00:46,867 Speaker 3: Oh look mate, there was you know a lot of 14 00:00:46,907 --> 00:00:51,827 Speaker 3: areas where we didn't perform we wanted to obviously, you know, 15 00:00:51,947 --> 00:00:55,107 Speaker 3: the Argentinians kicked really well and one the year most times, 16 00:00:55,227 --> 00:00:57,747 Speaker 3: which is which is a massive part of the game 17 00:00:57,827 --> 00:01:00,387 Speaker 3: these days. And as we've seen from all the rugby 18 00:01:00,467 --> 00:01:03,667 Speaker 3: like today with the Sun African Ausi game and our game, 19 00:01:04,467 --> 00:01:06,307 Speaker 3: if you can't win the year, then then you loser 20 00:01:06,547 --> 00:01:09,027 Speaker 3: possision and you put yourself under pressure. That's a big point, 21 00:01:11,067 --> 00:01:13,347 Speaker 3: you know, even like a lot of our attack and 22 00:01:13,387 --> 00:01:15,587 Speaker 3: our strike was you know, some of our line out 23 00:01:15,587 --> 00:01:18,307 Speaker 3: and stuff was was off for our execution, which meant 24 00:01:18,307 --> 00:01:21,227 Speaker 3: we couldn't build pressure. And Nick Berry has always been 25 00:01:21,227 --> 00:01:25,427 Speaker 3: a referee who who you know, gives advantage for the 26 00:01:25,427 --> 00:01:28,587 Speaker 3: people the team with ball in hand, and because of 27 00:01:28,627 --> 00:01:31,667 Speaker 3: those two reasons, we didn't have it and cost us. 28 00:01:31,867 --> 00:01:33,547 Speaker 4: So you know, there's still three key areas. 29 00:01:33,587 --> 00:01:38,387 Speaker 3: And then yeah, not much to not much that we 30 00:01:38,387 --> 00:01:39,267 Speaker 3: were overly happy with. 31 00:01:39,987 --> 00:01:42,387 Speaker 2: How big a work on is being better in the 32 00:01:42,427 --> 00:01:44,507 Speaker 2: aerial battle, Jase, and how do you do that? 33 00:01:46,187 --> 00:01:49,667 Speaker 4: Yeah, look, it's we've been working pretty hard in the year. 34 00:01:49,787 --> 00:01:51,427 Speaker 3: Just it's it's really important to get up and win 35 00:01:51,467 --> 00:01:54,147 Speaker 3: the collision in the year these days with no as 36 00:01:54,187 --> 00:01:56,667 Speaker 3: the rules have changed and you can't give any protection 37 00:01:56,747 --> 00:01:59,347 Speaker 3: to the catcher. It's the contests, so you've got to 38 00:01:59,387 --> 00:02:00,867 Speaker 3: be strong in the air. You've got to get higher 39 00:02:00,867 --> 00:02:04,427 Speaker 3: and be stronger than the opposition. And the Argentinian wingers 40 00:02:04,427 --> 00:02:07,147 Speaker 3: were outstanding tonight and and won. 41 00:02:07,027 --> 00:02:07,907 Speaker 4: All those contests. 42 00:02:07,947 --> 00:02:11,587 Speaker 3: So Matte, it's a it's a must go forward that 43 00:02:11,627 --> 00:02:12,867 Speaker 3: we must be stronger in the air. 44 00:02:12,947 --> 00:02:16,347 Speaker 4: We must win win the possession from from those kicks. 45 00:02:17,027 --> 00:02:20,467 Speaker 2: Have the back three that that started today. Rico Yuwanni 46 00:02:20,547 --> 00:02:22,747 Speaker 2: Severiese will Jordan Have they got that in their locker? 47 00:02:22,787 --> 00:02:25,147 Speaker 2: Are they able to make improvements there? 48 00:02:26,667 --> 00:02:28,747 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think definitely they all are. 49 00:02:28,787 --> 00:02:31,907 Speaker 3: Like I think you'll find a lot of the time 50 00:02:32,587 --> 00:02:35,507 Speaker 3: these days in the game, it's it's not necessarily a 51 00:02:35,547 --> 00:02:37,827 Speaker 3: wingers at times either that are under those high balls 52 00:02:37,827 --> 00:02:39,627 Speaker 3: with tens and fifteens in the backfield. 53 00:02:39,707 --> 00:02:42,107 Speaker 4: So it's probably more than more than the back three. 54 00:02:42,147 --> 00:02:44,987 Speaker 3: It's it's specifically tens and fifteen's a lot of the 55 00:02:44,987 --> 00:02:47,787 Speaker 3: time when the Argentinians. Argentinians were kicking to us tonight. 56 00:02:47,907 --> 00:02:50,547 Speaker 3: So everybody here that they have and we have to. 57 00:02:51,027 --> 00:02:52,507 Speaker 3: You have to if you want to be in the backfield, 58 00:02:52,507 --> 00:02:53,947 Speaker 3: then we have to be able to win those collisions 59 00:02:53,987 --> 00:02:54,827 Speaker 3: as as simple as that. 60 00:02:55,867 --> 00:02:57,707 Speaker 2: How concerning is it that you have been handed five 61 00:02:57,787 --> 00:02:59,227 Speaker 2: yellow cards and two games? 62 00:03:00,747 --> 00:03:05,867 Speaker 3: Yeah, hugely, Like it's a it is how discipline needs 63 00:03:05,867 --> 00:03:08,787 Speaker 3: to be better when we're under pressure, and you know 64 00:03:08,827 --> 00:03:10,507 Speaker 3: a lot of the other things I've talked around Leeds 65 00:03:10,507 --> 00:03:13,747 Speaker 3: to that, as I said tonight, Nick Barry's rewards, the 66 00:03:13,747 --> 00:03:16,227 Speaker 3: team with the ball and because of all those other 67 00:03:16,267 --> 00:03:19,907 Speaker 3: things that we've just talked around around our inaccuracies, it 68 00:03:19,947 --> 00:03:21,507 Speaker 3: means we spend a lot of time with doubt it 69 00:03:21,667 --> 00:03:23,267 Speaker 3: and that's what happens. 70 00:03:23,347 --> 00:03:26,307 Speaker 4: In the game these days. So it has to you're 71 00:03:26,307 --> 00:03:26,787 Speaker 4: not going to win. 72 00:03:26,867 --> 00:03:29,147 Speaker 3: We're not going to win two games against good opposition 73 00:03:29,227 --> 00:03:32,667 Speaker 3: with two yellow cards and as you say, five over 74 00:03:32,947 --> 00:03:33,667 Speaker 3: over the season. 75 00:03:34,587 --> 00:03:36,787 Speaker 2: Is there a general understanding of the deliberate knock on 76 00:03:36,867 --> 00:03:38,667 Speaker 2: rule among the players? Do they know what they can 77 00:03:38,707 --> 00:03:41,187 Speaker 2: and can't do? Yeah? 78 00:03:41,187 --> 00:03:41,667 Speaker 4: They do. 79 00:03:41,707 --> 00:03:44,987 Speaker 3: They do in uh, you know, instinctive stuff they need to do. 80 00:03:44,987 --> 00:03:45,907 Speaker 4: We need to be better at it. 81 00:03:46,067 --> 00:03:48,427 Speaker 3: We need to make sure that you know, guys get 82 00:03:48,867 --> 00:03:50,507 Speaker 3: if they do it in training, they get seen off 83 00:03:50,507 --> 00:03:52,507 Speaker 3: the field with a little for yellow card for us 84 00:03:52,547 --> 00:03:54,907 Speaker 3: at the moment. So you know, that's been happening for 85 00:03:54,947 --> 00:03:58,307 Speaker 3: a few weeks. So got to be better there too. 86 00:03:58,307 --> 00:04:02,667 Speaker 2: Pinty and an attack Jason, what what what's your assessment 87 00:04:02,707 --> 00:04:05,507 Speaker 2: of the way you're playing with ball in hand from 88 00:04:05,587 --> 00:04:07,187 Speaker 2: from nine out at the moment? 89 00:04:08,867 --> 00:04:09,027 Speaker 4: Ah? 90 00:04:09,107 --> 00:04:11,987 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, the there's a lot of execution stuff tonight 91 00:04:12,067 --> 00:04:16,067 Speaker 3: where you know, we wanted to spread the Argentinians and 92 00:04:16,067 --> 00:04:20,187 Speaker 3: play with a bit of wits somewhere. Execution around our 93 00:04:20,227 --> 00:04:22,787 Speaker 3: line out, delivery and around our skill sets didn't let 94 00:04:22,867 --> 00:04:25,107 Speaker 3: us do that, and so it became a battle. We 95 00:04:25,107 --> 00:04:26,587 Speaker 3: didn't get to play the style of footage that we 96 00:04:26,627 --> 00:04:30,347 Speaker 3: wanted to. So, yep, we've got to now some skill 97 00:04:30,387 --> 00:04:32,707 Speaker 3: sets to be able to allow us to use the 98 00:04:32,707 --> 00:04:34,827 Speaker 3: whole field, and that's it's got to be a massive 99 00:04:34,867 --> 00:04:35,907 Speaker 3: part of how we go forward. 100 00:04:36,587 --> 00:04:38,907 Speaker 2: Does it feel disjointed to you? I mean you're the 101 00:04:38,947 --> 00:04:40,587 Speaker 2: attack coach. Does it feel disjointed? 102 00:04:41,787 --> 00:04:45,267 Speaker 3: It look disjointed tonight, Piney, I'll tell you that we 103 00:04:45,787 --> 00:04:47,227 Speaker 3: feel like we know how we want to play, and 104 00:04:47,267 --> 00:04:50,907 Speaker 3: we trained pretty well this week and got some real flow. 105 00:04:51,827 --> 00:04:53,507 Speaker 3: It felt like we had some real flow and how 106 00:04:53,507 --> 00:04:56,427 Speaker 3: we're going to play and how we're going to play 107 00:04:56,467 --> 00:04:58,747 Speaker 3: with some wits to open up the middle of the field. 108 00:04:58,787 --> 00:05:03,747 Speaker 3: But yep, I definitely looked disjointed tonight around our skill sets. 109 00:05:04,707 --> 00:05:06,667 Speaker 2: You've shared the last four test with Argenta, the two 110 00:05:06,667 --> 00:05:08,507 Speaker 2: wins a piece over the last couple of years. What 111 00:05:08,627 --> 00:05:10,947 Speaker 2: makes the modern day Pumas such a challenging opponent. 112 00:05:12,307 --> 00:05:15,627 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's everybody's talked around. You give them 113 00:05:15,627 --> 00:05:17,187 Speaker 3: a sniff around a lot of the things we've talked 114 00:05:17,187 --> 00:05:20,387 Speaker 3: around in the last ten minutes, around giving them the ball, 115 00:05:20,787 --> 00:05:24,067 Speaker 3: getting them excited, around opportunities around, you know, contests in 116 00:05:24,107 --> 00:05:26,427 Speaker 3: the year and those sorts of things, and they're hard 117 00:05:26,427 --> 00:05:28,907 Speaker 3: thing to stop. And with the passion of the of 118 00:05:28,947 --> 00:05:32,427 Speaker 3: the Argentinians, they're you know, you've got to you gotta 119 00:05:32,427 --> 00:05:35,827 Speaker 3: be accurate and sort of stomp them out. And that's 120 00:05:35,867 --> 00:05:36,787 Speaker 3: what we didn't do tonight. 121 00:05:38,347 --> 00:05:38,507 Speaker 4: Yeah. 122 00:05:38,667 --> 00:05:40,547 Speaker 3: Yeah, you just got to make sure you don't give them, 123 00:05:40,987 --> 00:05:43,187 Speaker 3: give them anything to give them more energy than they 124 00:05:43,227 --> 00:05:45,067 Speaker 3: already have, and be accurate. 125 00:05:46,067 --> 00:05:48,947 Speaker 2: As Cortez rol. Okay, have you got any update for 126 00:05:49,027 --> 00:05:49,347 Speaker 2: us there? 127 00:05:50,347 --> 00:05:51,187 Speaker 4: I'm not sure yet. 128 00:05:51,307 --> 00:05:54,147 Speaker 3: Not sure he caught the pretty he caught the pretty 129 00:05:54,147 --> 00:05:58,067 Speaker 3: good being so I haven't seen yet. Now I haven't 130 00:05:58,107 --> 00:05:59,867 Speaker 3: got anything on any injury reports yet. 131 00:06:00,987 --> 00:06:03,147 Speaker 2: And you don't know about about cam roy guard yet. 132 00:06:03,147 --> 00:06:05,147 Speaker 2: You'll find it when you get home whether he might 133 00:06:05,187 --> 00:06:07,827 Speaker 2: be in the mix for South Africa. A. 134 00:06:08,027 --> 00:06:09,507 Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll find out when we get home. There'll be 135 00:06:09,707 --> 00:06:10,267 Speaker 4: no doubt they'll be. 136 00:06:10,387 --> 00:06:13,827 Speaker 3: We'll get medical from this game tomorrow morning and before 137 00:06:13,827 --> 00:06:17,987 Speaker 3: we get on the plane and get updated early next 138 00:06:18,027 --> 00:06:19,467 Speaker 3: week around some of the boys. 139 00:06:19,187 --> 00:06:21,787 Speaker 2: At home, all right, and the week ahead as you 140 00:06:21,827 --> 00:06:23,747 Speaker 2: get home, and then do you do you disperse? Do 141 00:06:24,027 --> 00:06:25,987 Speaker 2: you disperse for it? Come back together for South Africa 142 00:06:26,067 --> 00:06:27,227 Speaker 2: or do you stay together? 143 00:06:28,627 --> 00:06:30,467 Speaker 3: Now we I think we get home at one o'clock 144 00:06:30,507 --> 00:06:34,187 Speaker 3: in the morning Tuesday morning, I think, and we're back 145 00:06:34,187 --> 00:06:36,427 Speaker 3: in on Saturday. So home for home for three days 146 00:06:36,427 --> 00:06:39,427 Speaker 3: pretty much for Tuesday Wedness or four days Tuesday or Friday, 147 00:06:39,467 --> 00:06:40,467 Speaker 3: and back in for the weekend. 148 00:06:41,547 --> 00:06:44,707 Speaker 2: And it's probably this one comes to surprise to you. 149 00:06:44,747 --> 00:06:47,707 Speaker 2: There's you know, there a few people you know talking 150 00:06:47,747 --> 00:06:51,107 Speaker 2: about this performance back here. You know, what should we 151 00:06:51,187 --> 00:06:51,787 Speaker 2: be worried? 152 00:06:52,027 --> 00:06:52,267 Speaker 4: Jase? 153 00:06:52,307 --> 00:06:55,027 Speaker 2: What you know, what's the what's the you know, the 154 00:06:55,307 --> 00:06:58,387 Speaker 2: strategy for turning things around here. 155 00:06:58,427 --> 00:07:02,347 Speaker 3: Look, we'll obviously we'll messively unpack that pack that performance. 156 00:07:03,427 --> 00:07:05,387 Speaker 3: You know, the cruxes we want to play a we 157 00:07:05,427 --> 00:07:08,347 Speaker 3: want to play a style of that where we can 158 00:07:08,547 --> 00:07:10,947 Speaker 3: we can play use the ball and we can spread 159 00:07:10,987 --> 00:07:11,387 Speaker 3: teams and. 160 00:07:11,507 --> 00:07:14,587 Speaker 4: Go through them. And at the moment, you know, we've 161 00:07:14,587 --> 00:07:15,467 Speaker 4: got to look hard. 162 00:07:15,227 --> 00:07:17,947 Speaker 3: At how we what our what our skill sets are, 163 00:07:17,987 --> 00:07:19,627 Speaker 3: and how we're delivering that to make sure that we 164 00:07:19,707 --> 00:07:20,347 Speaker 3: play the way we. 165 00:07:20,307 --> 00:07:20,867 Speaker 4: Are And. 166 00:07:22,427 --> 00:07:24,467 Speaker 3: Yeah, well we'll obviously be working really really hard on 167 00:07:24,467 --> 00:07:27,587 Speaker 3: the way this week to make sure that we can 168 00:07:27,587 --> 00:07:29,147 Speaker 3: play the way way we want to play when we 169 00:07:29,147 --> 00:07:30,307 Speaker 3: play against South Africa. 170 00:07:30,627 --> 00:07:32,947 Speaker 2: So you're tied to that strategy. You you're all in 171 00:07:33,027 --> 00:07:33,747 Speaker 2: on that strategy. 172 00:07:34,907 --> 00:07:35,907 Speaker 4: On what strategy is that? 173 00:07:36,427 --> 00:07:38,667 Speaker 2: The one that you just talked about about spreading it wide, 174 00:07:38,987 --> 00:07:40,947 Speaker 2: wanting to play an expansive game, that sort of thing. 175 00:07:41,027 --> 00:07:43,227 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, well we want to play. We want to 176 00:07:43,227 --> 00:07:44,627 Speaker 3: have a good balance in our game. You know, we 177 00:07:44,667 --> 00:07:46,587 Speaker 3: need to be able to we're anybody to use the 178 00:07:46,627 --> 00:07:49,987 Speaker 3: whip and obviously everybody knows if you use the whips, 179 00:07:50,027 --> 00:07:51,747 Speaker 3: that opens up the field a little bit through the middle. 180 00:07:51,827 --> 00:07:54,507 Speaker 3: So at the moment we're not getting we're not getting 181 00:07:54,507 --> 00:07:55,307 Speaker 3: the wips in our game. 182 00:07:55,387 --> 00:07:57,747 Speaker 4: And yeah, we need to be able to do that. 183 00:07:58,427 --> 00:08:00,667 Speaker 2: I appreciate your time. Jace, Safe travels back. We'll see 184 00:08:00,667 --> 00:08:05,107 Speaker 2: you back here, thanks mate. Assistant coach of the All 185 00:08:05,107 --> 00:08:07,347 Speaker 2: Blacks or one off joining us out of Buenos Aires 186 00:08:07,427 --> 00:08:09,267 Speaker 2: not long after the full time whistled. 187 00:08:09,827 --> 00:08:12,987 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 188 00:08:13,107 --> 00:08:16,387 Speaker 1: to News Talk Set B weekends from midday, or follow 189 00:08:16,427 --> 00:08:18,027 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.