1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,520 Speaker 1: And so the police seem on a real roll at 2 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: the moment, don't they when it comes to gang's major 3 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: Headhunter's bust the other week. Now charges all over the 4 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: place for the common terero's. The claim is that virtually 5 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: every single common cero is facing charges or at least 6 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: some sort of court time forty one individuals, one hundred 7 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: and thirty seven alleged defense as sociologists and gang expert 8 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: Jared Gilbert with US Jared Morning, Good morning, Mike. I 9 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: can't remember when a gang in almost totality has been busted, 10 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: can you. 11 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 2: Well, there's only one time that I can recall it happening, actually, 12 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: and that was up in Nelson with the Red Devils. 13 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: They formed of the feeder group to the Hall's Angels, 14 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 2: and the entire chat was taken out there. Unfortunately, Mike, 15 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: the outcome of that wasn't great because those charges were 16 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 2: overblown and there were some discrepancies with the way the 17 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: police had collected evidence. So they all fell over and 18 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 2: that group became Hell's Angels. Okay, I think it will 19 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 2: be a little more successful. 20 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: I've got to say, well, I was going to say, 21 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: do you revel in this? It seems at last to 22 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: some degree that the authorities are on top of this 23 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: criminal behavior. 24 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this. I mean, this is a really 25 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: big bust and this is why I think they'll be 26 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: the these will be successful. And this we've got to 27 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: see the evidence, of course, Mike. But you know there's 28 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 2: a there is a heck of a lot of kilograms 29 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 2: of drugs have been confiscated, hundreds of thousands of dollars. 30 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 2: So make no bones about it. This is a really 31 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: significant bust and it appears though it's basically taken out 32 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 2: the common generals. 33 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, does it get filled the gap? Yeah? 34 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 2: Look, unfortunately it does, right, because I mean it's quite 35 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: like this, if a big coffee supply tomorrow, Greg's Coffee 36 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: or whoever just decided not to supply the market for 37 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: whatever reason in New Zealand, demand for coffee would remain 38 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: exactly the same, and so others will just come in 39 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: and fill that. Right. So, if we want to really 40 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: tackle the drug trade, and we've got to focus on 41 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: the demand side, so addictions stopping people getting into meth 42 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: for example. However, that does not mean because you could 43 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: shrug the shoulders at that point you say, well, what's 44 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: the point of these busts, then, well they are incredibly 45 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: important and you can make no bones about that. And 46 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: the reason for that is that it stops well, one, 47 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: there is an element of trust it to people breaking 48 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: your lordship, your health to account firstly, but perhaps even 49 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: more importantly than that in this instance, is that it 50 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: stops these crooks gaining really significant financial assets which can 51 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 2: then be used to corrupt the system. So knocking that 52 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: head off as you can't you just can't be understated. 53 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: Obviously, I don't know. I'm no expert in this, but 54 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: it does surprise me that at the size of these operations, 55 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: because you don't get that big without the authorities understanding 56 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: something that is going on. Is there something in the 57 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: legal system that prevents them acting earlier and smacking them 58 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: at an earlier stage before they get this big and 59 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: this effective. 60 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 2: Well will These series of operations have been going on 61 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: for I think more than three years. Yeah, so it 62 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 2: does take time. The reason for that is you want 63 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: to make sure that your net has caught as much 64 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 2: as possible. I mean, even an operation, say it comes 65 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 2: into a port, if you confiscate, if you find contraband 66 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: in a container at a port, for example, Oftentimes it's 67 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: far better to let that container leave the port, see 68 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 2: who picks it up, where the contraband goes to, who 69 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 2: else is involved, So you can actually get wide a 70 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: net and the other part of us which is really 71 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: important because we when we look at organized crime, we 72 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: tend to just think of the people slinging drugs, for example, 73 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: but actually there's people who launed the money exactly. You know, 74 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: there's the people that are wholesaling. So there's actually far 75 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: bigger fish to fry sometimes. So that's why these operations 76 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: can take quite a long time. Obviously the police want 77 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: to be fair. 78 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, fair enough to good on sight. I appreciate it, Jared, 79 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: As always, Jared Gilbert's sociologist and gang expert Mark Mitchell 80 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: have plenty to say about this, as well as Genny. 81 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: Of course, up to eight o'clock. Just to give you 82 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: an indication, one hundred and thirty seven charges at this 83 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: particular point since twenty one, they've been involved two hunred 84 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: and six kilograms of myth, two hundred and six kilograms 85 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: one point seven six kilograms of coach sa virtually none, 86 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: so they're all in the myth game. Two point six 87 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: kilograms of cannabis, one point two seventy five million dollars 88 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 1: in cash, nine point two million dollars in assets. They've 89 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: got five properties and fourteen vehicles, so that is a 90 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: major operational For more from the mic Asking Breakfast listen 91 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: live to news talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, 92 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.