1 00:00:06,815 --> 00:00:10,695 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp 2 00:00:10,855 --> 00:00:11,695 Speaker 1: from News Talks. 3 00:00:11,775 --> 00:00:15,615 Speaker 2: EDB you were News Talk said, be welcome back to 4 00:00:15,655 --> 00:00:19,135 Speaker 2: the show. Remember at around eight thirty this morning, we 5 00:00:19,215 --> 00:00:21,695 Speaker 2: will have Red Climb pasted as always joining us. So 6 00:00:21,735 --> 00:00:24,375 Speaker 2: we're into the garden with Ridge from eight thirty. But 7 00:00:24,535 --> 00:00:26,455 Speaker 2: right now I wanted to take a little bit of 8 00:00:26,495 --> 00:00:29,135 Speaker 2: time today on the show to have a chat with 9 00:00:29,415 --> 00:00:32,735 Speaker 2: Andrew Eagles. Andrew is the chief executive of the New 10 00:00:32,815 --> 00:00:37,855 Speaker 2: Zealand Green Building Council, and oh Andrew to explain what 11 00:00:37,895 --> 00:00:40,535 Speaker 2: the New Zealand Green Building Council is and what they do. 12 00:00:41,415 --> 00:00:46,255 Speaker 2: My own engagement with them extends back to I should 13 00:00:46,255 --> 00:00:48,415 Speaker 2: look it up. It was like twelve thirteen years ago 14 00:00:48,935 --> 00:00:52,375 Speaker 2: where I went along to do the Home Star Home 15 00:00:52,495 --> 00:00:56,975 Speaker 2: Assessors or Home Practitioners course version one of Home Star. 16 00:00:58,295 --> 00:01:02,575 Speaker 2: So twenty years is the remarkable achievement. And let's have 17 00:01:02,615 --> 00:01:04,615 Speaker 2: a bit of a chat with Andrew this morning. A 18 00:01:04,775 --> 00:01:05,895 Speaker 2: very good morning, Kioto. 19 00:01:05,775 --> 00:01:09,855 Speaker 3: Welcome, great to speak with you, Pete and you. 20 00:01:09,975 --> 00:01:14,775 Speaker 2: So let's go back twenty years. What led to the arrival, 21 00:01:14,815 --> 00:01:17,615 Speaker 2: let's say the Green Building Council in New Zealand. Given 22 00:01:17,655 --> 00:01:22,935 Speaker 2: that there are around the World Green Building Councils as well. 23 00:01:23,015 --> 00:01:27,375 Speaker 3: Yes, well, there was some really insightful visionary leaders from 24 00:01:27,375 --> 00:01:32,215 Speaker 3: the construction and property sector who wanted to set out 25 00:01:32,375 --> 00:01:38,255 Speaker 3: a mechanism to drive up quality and health and reduce impacts. 26 00:01:38,455 --> 00:01:42,975 Speaker 3: And I understand I met over a few drinks and 27 00:01:42,975 --> 00:01:48,095 Speaker 3: a number of times in Wellington. It was Peter Doowell, 28 00:01:48,135 --> 00:01:54,735 Speaker 3: Graham Finlay, Dean Croucher and a number of others, and 29 00:01:54,775 --> 00:01:58,615 Speaker 3: they all got quite passionate about it. And then one 30 00:01:58,655 --> 00:02:00,495 Speaker 3: of them said, well, you know, if we want to 31 00:02:00,495 --> 00:02:02,615 Speaker 3: do this, we're going to have to have to get 32 00:02:02,655 --> 00:02:06,175 Speaker 3: cracking and raise the money and form an entity. And 33 00:02:06,375 --> 00:02:10,975 Speaker 3: they did look overseas to models to set up a 34 00:02:11,095 --> 00:02:16,295 Speaker 3: full purpose organization with the view to drive up healthier, 35 00:02:16,655 --> 00:02:19,895 Speaker 3: more efficient buildings to help New Zealand along the way, 36 00:02:20,455 --> 00:02:24,615 Speaker 3: and that's led to this amazing movement. And when we're 37 00:02:24,655 --> 00:02:28,935 Speaker 3: so grateful to people like you and then and our 38 00:02:29,095 --> 00:02:34,575 Speaker 3: founding thirty one members, we now have seven hundreds and 39 00:02:34,735 --> 00:02:38,535 Speaker 3: all of them have helped us become an accepted, trusted, 40 00:02:38,615 --> 00:02:42,895 Speaker 3: significant part of the construction and building sector. And you know, 41 00:02:43,295 --> 00:02:49,455 Speaker 3: all of those chairs and boards put in voluntary time 42 00:02:49,535 --> 00:02:55,135 Speaker 3: over that twenty years to oversee the organization and grow it. 43 00:02:56,015 --> 00:02:58,695 Speaker 3: And that's meant and the key thing they wanted when 44 00:02:58,735 --> 00:03:05,135 Speaker 3: they started was certifications to ensure buildings owners and tenants 45 00:03:05,135 --> 00:03:09,015 Speaker 3: could rely that this building was a really good one 46 00:03:09,095 --> 00:03:13,975 Speaker 3: for investments, for quality for tenants. And now thanks for 47 00:03:14,135 --> 00:03:19,535 Speaker 3: using the certifications to lend out money to developers and builders, corporations, 48 00:03:19,735 --> 00:03:24,335 Speaker 3: tenants and families are trusting the certification to get quality. 49 00:03:24,815 --> 00:03:27,935 Speaker 3: And we've hit fifty billion dollars worth of project certified 50 00:03:28,015 --> 00:03:32,335 Speaker 3: to either greenstale or home stale or existing building tools, 51 00:03:33,055 --> 00:03:37,415 Speaker 3: five point five million square meters of commercial building now 52 00:03:37,455 --> 00:03:42,535 Speaker 3: the sixteen thousand homes, so you know we're celebrating this 53 00:03:42,655 --> 00:03:46,015 Speaker 3: week and Childer to you for all of your support 54 00:03:46,095 --> 00:03:50,255 Speaker 3: over time. Pete, we want to thank everyone who's been 55 00:03:50,295 --> 00:03:53,695 Speaker 3: involved in either look to further that for their own 56 00:03:53,935 --> 00:03:58,895 Speaker 3: purposes or they've put time or effort in to support. 57 00:03:58,495 --> 00:04:03,695 Speaker 2: This because I think going back and like I said, 58 00:04:03,695 --> 00:04:06,975 Speaker 2: my sort of engagement, let's say, was, I don't know 59 00:04:07,015 --> 00:04:09,775 Speaker 2: when version one of the home Star program came out, 60 00:04:09,815 --> 00:04:12,375 Speaker 2: and there was an opportunity to go along and sort 61 00:04:12,375 --> 00:04:16,215 Speaker 2: of get engaged in it, to be introduced to the 62 00:04:16,335 --> 00:04:19,895 Speaker 2: concept of building science. And while It's a phrase that 63 00:04:19,935 --> 00:04:22,855 Speaker 2: we use quite a lot today, but if you go 64 00:04:22,975 --> 00:04:25,935 Speaker 2: back twenty years ago, there were not that many people 65 00:04:27,215 --> 00:04:30,655 Speaker 2: using the phrase, because I know it was there, but 66 00:04:30,695 --> 00:04:33,335 Speaker 2: it didn't seem to be front of mind. Whereas I 67 00:04:33,375 --> 00:04:35,535 Speaker 2: think one of the things about the Green Building Council 68 00:04:35,975 --> 00:04:41,535 Speaker 2: and similar organizations is let's apply some actual science. Let's 69 00:04:41,655 --> 00:04:45,015 Speaker 2: measure what we do, because then we can say this building, 70 00:04:45,855 --> 00:04:49,335 Speaker 2: let's be blunt, this building is better than that one 71 00:04:49,575 --> 00:04:52,695 Speaker 2: because it does X, Y and z. You know, it 72 00:04:52,735 --> 00:04:55,335 Speaker 2: doesn't overheat, or it does keep the heat in, or 73 00:04:55,375 --> 00:04:58,335 Speaker 2: it allows for shading and all of these sorts of things. 74 00:04:58,375 --> 00:05:00,855 Speaker 2: So it's an objective standard of being able to say 75 00:05:01,415 --> 00:05:03,375 Speaker 2: this is the reason that this is a good building, 76 00:05:03,415 --> 00:05:06,655 Speaker 2: and it's got our home star level whatever it's going 77 00:05:06,695 --> 00:05:09,455 Speaker 2: to be well. Used to be one through teen, wasn't it. 78 00:05:09,455 --> 00:05:13,215 Speaker 2: Now it's just five through ten, six through teen, sick 79 00:05:13,335 --> 00:05:14,215 Speaker 2: through teens. Okay. 80 00:05:14,975 --> 00:05:19,415 Speaker 3: I think that's right, and there's some real advantages to 81 00:05:19,535 --> 00:05:25,415 Speaker 3: that approach. So we know, and we're getting increasingly concerns 82 00:05:25,455 --> 00:05:29,095 Speaker 3: from people and new built homes that their new built 83 00:05:29,095 --> 00:05:32,295 Speaker 3: homes are overheating. But as you say, if you apply 84 00:05:32,415 --> 00:05:35,975 Speaker 3: the science at the design stage, you can check if 85 00:05:36,015 --> 00:05:38,375 Speaker 3: that home is going to be comfortable and warm and 86 00:05:39,015 --> 00:05:42,335 Speaker 3: not hit high temperatures. You know, we've got people talking 87 00:05:42,335 --> 00:05:46,055 Speaker 3: about over thirty degrees at night when their kids are 88 00:05:46,055 --> 00:05:51,455 Speaker 3: trying to sleep, and sure one man fifty degrees at midday. 89 00:05:52,015 --> 00:05:54,455 Speaker 3: Now it doesn't actually need to be like that. If 90 00:05:54,455 --> 00:05:57,175 Speaker 3: we apply the science as you say, then you can 91 00:05:57,255 --> 00:05:59,575 Speaker 3: check through that design stage and you know you're going 92 00:05:59,575 --> 00:06:03,815 Speaker 3: to have more comforts. You're going to be warm in 93 00:06:03,815 --> 00:06:07,335 Speaker 3: the winter and comfortable not cold, and some are you're 94 00:06:07,335 --> 00:06:10,895 Speaker 3: going to be cooled because you haven't overplayed and you 95 00:06:10,935 --> 00:06:16,175 Speaker 3: haven't got too much internal heata. So there is an 96 00:06:16,215 --> 00:06:20,535 Speaker 3: increasing awareness of this. And another example would be the 97 00:06:20,575 --> 00:06:26,575 Speaker 3: commercial building sector, where we've calculated that over forty percent 98 00:06:26,775 --> 00:06:30,295 Speaker 3: of buildings over ten million dollars are applying that science 99 00:06:30,575 --> 00:06:34,375 Speaker 3: and getting better at buildings lower running costs, and a 100 00:06:34,375 --> 00:06:37,935 Speaker 3: lot of them are really interested in good equality, comfort, 101 00:06:38,175 --> 00:06:41,735 Speaker 3: well being of their staff and tenants inside those buildings. 102 00:06:41,735 --> 00:06:44,455 Speaker 3: So again, as you say, it's that way to get 103 00:06:44,495 --> 00:06:48,095 Speaker 3: that robustness and certainty of quality. 104 00:06:49,415 --> 00:06:53,335 Speaker 2: And I guess my focus obviously is in the residential market, 105 00:06:53,455 --> 00:06:56,655 Speaker 2: and I'm cognisant or conscious of the fact that there's 106 00:06:56,775 --> 00:06:59,695 Speaker 2: the green Star program for commercial buildings. But you know, 107 00:06:59,735 --> 00:07:02,695 Speaker 2: if you're getting the commercial developers and so on to 108 00:07:03,175 --> 00:07:07,055 Speaker 2: get on board with green Star, you know they're not 109 00:07:07,135 --> 00:07:09,815 Speaker 2: always just doing it out of the goodness of their heart. Right, 110 00:07:10,095 --> 00:07:13,455 Speaker 2: it makes sense to them to build better buildings which 111 00:07:14,295 --> 00:07:16,935 Speaker 2: arguably they could possibly lease for more or they have 112 00:07:17,055 --> 00:07:21,855 Speaker 2: longer term leases because it's a good building for your 113 00:07:21,895 --> 00:07:22,855 Speaker 2: business to operate in. 114 00:07:24,055 --> 00:07:29,055 Speaker 3: Exactly. Yep. And you touched on overseas and we have 115 00:07:29,215 --> 00:07:31,615 Speaker 3: learned from other screen thirding councils around the world, but 116 00:07:31,655 --> 00:07:36,415 Speaker 3: the evidence is really clear that buildings verified as green 117 00:07:37,295 --> 00:07:42,575 Speaker 3: do deliver better places, better rental yields, and a price premium, 118 00:07:43,095 --> 00:07:46,055 Speaker 3: and that's been rewarded here in New Zealand as well. 119 00:07:46,135 --> 00:07:49,935 Speaker 3: So JLL did a great report turning Green to Gold, 120 00:07:50,415 --> 00:07:55,935 Speaker 3: which found a three to nine percent uplifts for both 121 00:07:56,175 --> 00:07:58,655 Speaker 3: prices and as three to seven per cent uplift for 122 00:07:58,735 --> 00:08:03,575 Speaker 3: rental income. And I think that will come in residential 123 00:08:03,655 --> 00:08:07,095 Speaker 3: as well. And I do get really excited about residential 124 00:08:07,135 --> 00:08:10,655 Speaker 3: because that's the thing that can deliver for lots of 125 00:08:10,775 --> 00:08:15,055 Speaker 3: Kiwi families right, a healthier place and less run Where 126 00:08:15,095 --> 00:08:15,375 Speaker 3: are we. 127 00:08:15,375 --> 00:08:18,415 Speaker 2: At with the numbers in terms of so actually for 128 00:08:18,495 --> 00:08:22,455 Speaker 2: our listeners. So if you're interested in having your house 129 00:08:22,535 --> 00:08:28,215 Speaker 2: rated for home Start, typically you'd need to what's the process? 130 00:08:28,255 --> 00:08:30,655 Speaker 2: How does that work? So I'm you know, as it happens, 131 00:08:30,655 --> 00:08:33,775 Speaker 2: I will be building later on, and so at the 132 00:08:33,855 --> 00:08:36,815 Speaker 2: design stage, I'd come to the Green Building Council to 133 00:08:36,855 --> 00:08:39,895 Speaker 2: one of your team and go, this is what I propose, 134 00:08:40,375 --> 00:08:43,015 Speaker 2: and then it's reviewed in order to figure out where 135 00:08:43,015 --> 00:08:45,855 Speaker 2: I'm going to sit on the rating scheme exactly. 136 00:08:46,015 --> 00:08:49,695 Speaker 3: Okay, So there's a list of home Start designers on 137 00:08:49,735 --> 00:08:53,375 Speaker 3: our which and in fact lots of responsible builders have 138 00:08:54,415 --> 00:08:58,335 Speaker 3: people in their team who have that training that you undertook. Yes, 139 00:08:59,015 --> 00:09:02,055 Speaker 3: and that means that you can say to the builder, hey, 140 00:09:02,095 --> 00:09:05,975 Speaker 3: I'd like a home Star certificate and then that gets 141 00:09:06,055 --> 00:09:10,255 Speaker 3: checked the design stage to check it's on track, and 142 00:09:10,295 --> 00:09:12,495 Speaker 3: then at the built stage is a check just to 143 00:09:12,615 --> 00:09:16,775 Speaker 3: ensure that it's met the standard and that that process 144 00:09:17,975 --> 00:09:21,455 Speaker 3: in terms of the certification fees is two to five 145 00:09:21,535 --> 00:09:25,775 Speaker 3: hundred dollars that kind of element, but it means that 146 00:09:26,255 --> 00:09:30,935 Speaker 3: you get that certainty and a lot of builders now 147 00:09:31,135 --> 00:09:33,375 Speaker 3: have that in house and they can deliver it for 148 00:09:33,455 --> 00:09:36,775 Speaker 3: you if you want. And of course, what it means 149 00:09:36,855 --> 00:09:40,375 Speaker 3: is less moisture in the home. You've got good ventilation, 150 00:09:41,095 --> 00:09:44,415 Speaker 3: you're going to be more comfortable, good air quality. And 151 00:09:44,455 --> 00:09:51,575 Speaker 3: also now you can access significantly lower mortgage costs. So 152 00:09:52,455 --> 00:09:55,495 Speaker 3: over the course of the mortgage you could save sixty 153 00:09:55,535 --> 00:10:00,255 Speaker 3: to one hundred thousand dollars through A and Z through 154 00:10:00,335 --> 00:10:04,855 Speaker 3: reduced mortgage interest costs and also love running costs. And 155 00:10:05,055 --> 00:10:09,495 Speaker 3: this is really excited Pete. We've found that developers can 156 00:10:09,535 --> 00:10:13,255 Speaker 3: now get lower interest costs for building to home starts. 157 00:10:13,415 --> 00:10:17,495 Speaker 3: That's completely different. If there's people building out there and 158 00:10:17,215 --> 00:10:21,855 Speaker 3: they need a loan for building their homes, they're the developer. 159 00:10:22,295 --> 00:10:24,535 Speaker 3: Then the loan they can get from the dank for 160 00:10:25,895 --> 00:10:28,775 Speaker 3: building those homes, you know they might need it when 161 00:10:28,775 --> 00:10:30,695 Speaker 3: they get the land and then they wait a couple 162 00:10:30,695 --> 00:10:34,415 Speaker 3: of years before they sell, they can gain significant benefits. 163 00:10:34,415 --> 00:10:38,015 Speaker 3: We've got one builder in christ Church. He's saving after 164 00:10:38,135 --> 00:10:42,255 Speaker 3: his costs, he's saving thirty thousand dollars per home for 165 00:10:42,575 --> 00:10:46,495 Speaker 3: building to home stars. So it's a really exciting moment 166 00:10:46,535 --> 00:10:51,695 Speaker 3: because finance is greening. You're seeing finance right reward home star. 167 00:10:52,255 --> 00:10:55,975 Speaker 2: Because I think sometimes the perception is that it's going 168 00:10:56,015 --> 00:10:58,735 Speaker 2: to cost me more to go to build to home 169 00:10:58,775 --> 00:11:02,455 Speaker 2: Star standards or to build green. And I think that 170 00:11:02,615 --> 00:11:04,815 Speaker 2: maybe in the early stages, and we're talking ten to 171 00:11:04,815 --> 00:11:08,935 Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, when the technology and the understanding was 172 00:11:08,975 --> 00:11:11,895 Speaker 2: in its infancy, that might have been true. I think 173 00:11:11,935 --> 00:11:16,575 Speaker 2: today we can build better because there's more people in 174 00:11:16,615 --> 00:11:20,855 Speaker 2: that space, there's more knowledge without necessarily incurring costs. Do 175 00:11:20,935 --> 00:11:23,175 Speaker 2: you think that many people are thinking about the long 176 00:11:23,295 --> 00:11:26,575 Speaker 2: term cost of running their building and that the upfront 177 00:11:26,575 --> 00:11:29,975 Speaker 2: investment of building better is worth it because you get 178 00:11:30,015 --> 00:11:32,015 Speaker 2: the payoff for the rest of the life of the building. 179 00:11:33,535 --> 00:11:38,855 Speaker 3: That's exactly one of the challenges. Yeah, so it is. 180 00:11:39,815 --> 00:11:43,935 Speaker 3: We see on average that it's between zero point five 181 00:11:44,015 --> 00:11:49,255 Speaker 3: and one point five additional cost, so generally under ten 182 00:11:49,335 --> 00:11:53,975 Speaker 3: thousand dollars for that additional That might mean you need 183 00:11:54,015 --> 00:12:00,415 Speaker 3: to put in ventilation or sure slightly improved interlacen standards, 184 00:12:00,535 --> 00:12:04,095 Speaker 3: or just some minor improvements. But the great thing about 185 00:12:04,135 --> 00:12:10,695 Speaker 3: the infometrics research, the clients we've seen and quantity surveys checking, 186 00:12:11,095 --> 00:12:13,735 Speaker 3: is that they've found that that gets paid off in 187 00:12:13,775 --> 00:12:17,415 Speaker 3: about three years. So you know you're going to hold 188 00:12:17,455 --> 00:12:21,135 Speaker 3: your house for ten, twenty thirty years and all that 189 00:12:21,175 --> 00:12:25,695 Speaker 3: time you'll be winning because you'll have lower interest costs, 190 00:12:26,255 --> 00:12:29,375 Speaker 3: have a more comfortable home, and you can access lower 191 00:12:29,415 --> 00:12:34,655 Speaker 3: interest mortgage costs, and so that payoff comes out at 192 00:12:34,655 --> 00:12:37,055 Speaker 3: about three years and then you've got all that upside 193 00:12:37,055 --> 00:12:40,215 Speaker 3: for the rest of the house. But I think most 194 00:12:40,295 --> 00:12:42,855 Speaker 3: importantly you just get a place which is going to 195 00:12:42,855 --> 00:12:46,055 Speaker 3: have less mold than a home. We're seeing issues of 196 00:12:46,135 --> 00:12:50,175 Speaker 3: builders building and they've got moisture in the in the 197 00:12:50,215 --> 00:12:54,055 Speaker 3: cavity above the ceiling in the loft area because it's 198 00:12:54,135 --> 00:12:58,455 Speaker 3: just getting the moisture can't get out, and so if 199 00:12:58,455 --> 00:13:01,495 Speaker 3: you want to ensure you haven't got that risk of 200 00:13:01,535 --> 00:13:05,095 Speaker 3: needing to come back and make amends, then it's really 201 00:13:05,095 --> 00:13:07,895 Speaker 3: good to get this right. Apply the building science that 202 00:13:07,975 --> 00:13:11,335 Speaker 3: we know, brands and other supports and we know works. 203 00:13:11,735 --> 00:13:14,935 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, we need to take a short break. Andrew 204 00:13:14,975 --> 00:13:17,655 Speaker 2: Eagles is my guest from the New Zealand Green Building 205 00:13:17,695 --> 00:13:21,095 Speaker 2: Council celebrating twenty years and I think that's worth that's 206 00:13:21,135 --> 00:13:28,655 Speaker 2: worth celebrating. We're back in just a moment from everyday 207 00:13:28,695 --> 00:13:31,415 Speaker 2: excellence to statement design you do it. Kitchens gives you 208 00:13:31,455 --> 00:13:34,215 Speaker 2: the freedom to create a kitchen that fits your life. 209 00:13:34,255 --> 00:13:37,415 Speaker 2: This year we're celebrating fifty years of bringing you choice 210 00:13:37,415 --> 00:13:40,815 Speaker 2: from cabinet design to finishes to small details that make 211 00:13:40,935 --> 00:13:44,815 Speaker 2: every kitchen unique. 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In terms 228 00:14:42,055 --> 00:14:45,975 Speaker 2: of how many houses out there in New Zealand are 229 00:14:46,535 --> 00:14:48,735 Speaker 2: have a home Star rating, and that you know, if 230 00:14:48,735 --> 00:14:51,695 Speaker 2: somebody ever asked, they could go, here's my house. It's rated, 231 00:14:51,775 --> 00:14:54,135 Speaker 2: and I'm a home Star five or six or a 232 00:14:54,175 --> 00:14:57,255 Speaker 2: seven or an eight. Bearing in mind that when I 233 00:14:57,295 --> 00:14:58,975 Speaker 2: did the course, and I mentioned this to you, and 234 00:14:59,215 --> 00:15:01,335 Speaker 2: I think you were a little bit sort of slightly 235 00:15:01,895 --> 00:15:04,295 Speaker 2: did someone really say that? But when I did the course, 236 00:15:04,295 --> 00:15:07,495 Speaker 2: which I think is like twelve thirteen year ago, the 237 00:15:07,535 --> 00:15:10,375 Speaker 2: person undertaking the course said, look, I don't know that 238 00:15:10,415 --> 00:15:13,095 Speaker 2: we are ever going to see a ten star house 239 00:15:13,255 --> 00:15:17,415 Speaker 2: in New Zealand. Whether that was the technology or the 240 00:15:17,455 --> 00:15:21,015 Speaker 2: inclination or the desire or whatever. The great news is 241 00:15:21,255 --> 00:15:24,375 Speaker 2: I've been to one. So there's not just one. There's 242 00:15:24,375 --> 00:15:27,815 Speaker 2: a number of ten star rated homes around New Zealand. 243 00:15:28,335 --> 00:15:31,855 Speaker 2: But in general terms, how many Homestar rated houses are 244 00:15:31,855 --> 00:15:32,615 Speaker 2: there out there now? 245 00:15:33,735 --> 00:15:37,175 Speaker 3: So we've got twenty two thousand homes on our books 246 00:15:37,735 --> 00:15:41,335 Speaker 3: and about six thousand of those are still processing. Through 247 00:15:41,775 --> 00:15:48,095 Speaker 3: right sixteen thousand homes have been completed around our New Zealand. 248 00:15:48,495 --> 00:15:52,495 Speaker 3: And yeah, as you say, there's lots that six homes start, 249 00:15:52,735 --> 00:15:56,975 Speaker 3: and we would recommend people start at homes start. But 250 00:15:57,575 --> 00:16:00,615 Speaker 3: you're right. You know, a long time ago people said, 251 00:16:00,655 --> 00:16:04,135 Speaker 3: well ten homestar is world leading. It absolute best you 252 00:16:04,175 --> 00:16:08,295 Speaker 3: can do. But we've got ten homes around the country 253 00:16:08,415 --> 00:16:11,255 Speaker 3: to celebrate and go and look at. And people have 254 00:16:11,415 --> 00:16:16,815 Speaker 3: just been overjoyed in those homes about the quality and 255 00:16:16,895 --> 00:16:20,575 Speaker 3: the comfort that they've got in them. So it is possible. 256 00:16:20,615 --> 00:16:24,455 Speaker 3: And I think that over time, it's been really exciting 257 00:16:24,495 --> 00:16:27,335 Speaker 3: to see those numbers come through, and lots of things 258 00:16:27,415 --> 00:16:32,295 Speaker 3: have actually transformed in the market generally as a result 259 00:16:32,415 --> 00:16:36,535 Speaker 3: through your support and others. Lots of things have become normalized. 260 00:16:36,575 --> 00:16:41,575 Speaker 3: We're seeing more sitewt management plans, We're seeing more emphasis 261 00:16:41,615 --> 00:16:44,855 Speaker 3: on you know, the insulation standards have improved and we 262 00:16:45,015 --> 00:16:48,535 Speaker 3: kept those and it's because of people stepping up and 263 00:16:48,575 --> 00:16:51,775 Speaker 3: wanting to try to do better, which is great. 264 00:16:53,255 --> 00:16:57,615 Speaker 2: But it's also doing better because there's objective, rational science 265 00:16:57,695 --> 00:17:02,055 Speaker 2: behind this, right, We're not just talking sort of ideas 266 00:17:02,215 --> 00:17:05,575 Speaker 2: that are well intentioned but not backed up by evidence. 267 00:17:06,055 --> 00:17:08,855 Speaker 2: And I think that's the really exciting thing about you know, 268 00:17:08,895 --> 00:17:12,295 Speaker 2: more and more discussion about building science. Here is some evidence. 269 00:17:12,415 --> 00:17:15,095 Speaker 2: If you do this, you'll get this result. If you don't, 270 00:17:15,375 --> 00:17:18,135 Speaker 2: you'll get a house that's thirty five degrees at night, 271 00:17:18,495 --> 00:17:21,775 Speaker 2: you know, So let's apply the science and let's build 272 00:17:21,815 --> 00:17:22,495 Speaker 2: better buildings. 273 00:17:23,415 --> 00:17:26,535 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, that's right. I mean this is led by 274 00:17:27,015 --> 00:17:33,495 Speaker 3: global science on how homes work, thermal efficiency and how 275 00:17:33,535 --> 00:17:35,855 Speaker 3: you deal with heat building up in the home. And 276 00:17:35,935 --> 00:17:40,775 Speaker 3: also importantly we are seeing new build homes with as 277 00:17:40,775 --> 00:17:45,135 Speaker 3: you say, overheating. The Minister for Building Construction said new 278 00:17:45,135 --> 00:17:50,695 Speaker 3: build homes causing kiwis to be cooked in their own homes. 279 00:17:50,975 --> 00:17:54,175 Speaker 3: But we're also seeing moisture issues even in homes that 280 00:17:54,295 --> 00:17:57,815 Speaker 3: are six six months or twelve months. So let's step 281 00:17:57,935 --> 00:18:02,015 Speaker 3: up the building codes not adequate enough for you and 282 00:18:02,055 --> 00:18:05,775 Speaker 3: your family if you want to reduce that mold build up, 283 00:18:05,855 --> 00:18:09,055 Speaker 3: and if you want to be comfortable, use just that 284 00:18:09,215 --> 00:18:11,815 Speaker 3: independent check and then you can be sure and you 285 00:18:11,855 --> 00:18:13,575 Speaker 3: can access at low interest Morgitray. 286 00:18:14,295 --> 00:18:16,935 Speaker 2: And that's one of those things people will often say, Okay, 287 00:18:16,975 --> 00:18:19,975 Speaker 2: so if I can't rely on the New Zealand building 288 00:18:19,975 --> 00:18:23,655 Speaker 2: code to deliver me an adequate house, a good house, right, 289 00:18:23,855 --> 00:18:26,095 Speaker 2: where do I go? And one of those places is 290 00:18:26,255 --> 00:18:29,255 Speaker 2: look at home Star. Adopt some of those principles and 291 00:18:29,495 --> 00:18:31,735 Speaker 2: you will end up with a better house because you know, 292 00:18:32,055 --> 00:18:33,815 Speaker 2: you talk to people today and you go, do you 293 00:18:33,855 --> 00:18:36,575 Speaker 2: realize that there's no requirement for heating in the building code? 294 00:18:36,815 --> 00:18:43,975 Speaker 2: Really didn't know that? Yeah, exactly. It's staggering. Andrew, there 295 00:18:44,055 --> 00:18:47,615 Speaker 2: is a tremendous amount to celebrate at the Green Building Council. 296 00:18:47,855 --> 00:18:49,935 Speaker 2: I think the numbers speak for themselves. If you know, 297 00:18:49,975 --> 00:18:53,015 Speaker 2: you're talking about twenty thousand houses now, that's remarkable in 298 00:18:53,055 --> 00:18:57,295 Speaker 2: that time and the rate of increase I think is exponential, 299 00:18:57,295 --> 00:18:59,935 Speaker 2: which is also really exciting. I have to say, just 300 00:19:00,015 --> 00:19:05,255 Speaker 2: on a sort of personal, private and professional note, running 301 00:19:05,255 --> 00:19:07,615 Speaker 2: some houses through home Star when we did the bloc 302 00:19:07,895 --> 00:19:11,855 Speaker 2: gosh ten years ago. You know, I'm still really pleased 303 00:19:11,855 --> 00:19:15,655 Speaker 2: that we did it, and those houses stand out for 304 00:19:15,735 --> 00:19:19,255 Speaker 2: me as an exemplar of really good building science and 305 00:19:19,575 --> 00:19:22,015 Speaker 2: building again in the future, certainly i'd be looking at 306 00:19:22,055 --> 00:19:24,215 Speaker 2: home Star. So again, thank you for all of the 307 00:19:24,215 --> 00:19:27,295 Speaker 2: work that you do and all of your team, but 308 00:19:27,455 --> 00:19:30,175 Speaker 2: particularly you. I think you've been outstanding in your role. 309 00:19:30,295 --> 00:19:31,255 Speaker 2: So my thanks to you. 310 00:19:32,095 --> 00:19:34,655 Speaker 3: Oh Pete, thanks so much. And just to note that 311 00:19:35,095 --> 00:19:37,175 Speaker 3: anyone out there who wants to make a start, you're 312 00:19:37,175 --> 00:19:40,295 Speaker 3: a builder or you're a designer, we do have a 313 00:19:40,335 --> 00:19:44,775 Speaker 3: residential energy modeling course coming up throughout New Zealand. We're 314 00:19:44,815 --> 00:19:49,935 Speaker 3: coming to Hamilton, Wellington, Queenstown, christ Church, Twonger, you know, 315 00:19:50,455 --> 00:19:53,895 Speaker 3: sixty dollars to come along and learn how an introduction 316 00:19:54,055 --> 00:19:57,255 Speaker 3: to this the building science which Pete talks so eloquently 317 00:19:57,335 --> 00:20:01,495 Speaker 3: and with such a beautiful voice better than myself, to 318 00:20:01,575 --> 00:20:05,255 Speaker 3: come along to a three hour session and understand this 319 00:20:05,535 --> 00:20:08,855 Speaker 3: is the future. It's what people want, it's what banks want, 320 00:20:09,055 --> 00:20:12,575 Speaker 3: ye and we're going to be driving forward to better out, 321 00:20:12,975 --> 00:20:16,375 Speaker 3: more energy efficient, better for our energy grid and better 322 00:20:16,415 --> 00:20:19,575 Speaker 3: for our families. And so I'll check out really into 323 00:20:19,695 --> 00:20:21,975 Speaker 3: energy modeling within the Green Building Council. 324 00:20:22,055 --> 00:20:24,575 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's courses around the country and I'm hoping to 325 00:20:24,575 --> 00:20:27,335 Speaker 2: get to some myself. Andrew, again, my thanks to you 326 00:20:27,455 --> 00:20:31,775 Speaker 2: and congratulations, Thank you, Take care all the best. Andrew 327 00:20:31,775 --> 00:20:34,375 Speaker 2: Eagles from the New Zealand Green Building Council. If you're 328 00:20:34,415 --> 00:20:37,895 Speaker 2: interested in sort of an introduction to energy modeling, which 329 00:20:37,975 --> 00:20:40,455 Speaker 2: is going to become more and more commonplace, go to 330 00:20:40,495 --> 00:20:43,175 Speaker 2: the Green Building Council website check out where these free 331 00:20:43,335 --> 00:20:46,055 Speaker 2: or these seminars are going to be. It's an introduction 332 00:20:46,135 --> 00:20:48,935 Speaker 2: to it. So like I can't do the Auckland one. 333 00:20:48,975 --> 00:20:51,615 Speaker 2: I might end up in Hamilton going to that one there. 334 00:20:52,055 --> 00:20:54,895 Speaker 2: It's really exciting and for people that you and I, 335 00:20:54,895 --> 00:20:59,575 Speaker 2: if you're a builder trades person, basically get on board 336 00:20:59,615 --> 00:21:02,615 Speaker 2: with this because it is where the future is hidden. Oh, 337 00:21:02,615 --> 00:21:07,175 Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Actually, 338 00:21:07,215 --> 00:21:10,175 Speaker 2: just indulge me just a moment, because I get text 339 00:21:10,295 --> 00:21:12,335 Speaker 2: like this all the time from Fiona. God bless you. 340 00:21:12,415 --> 00:21:16,455 Speaker 2: But Peter, what's the point of a homestar home? It 341 00:21:16,495 --> 00:21:18,295 Speaker 2: stops working the minute you open the doors on a 342 00:21:18,375 --> 00:21:20,455 Speaker 2: sunny days and the little ones leave the doors open 343 00:21:20,495 --> 00:21:22,015 Speaker 2: as they run and out. And we don't like a 344 00:21:22,055 --> 00:21:24,335 Speaker 2: home with the windows white, and don't we all like 345 00:21:24,375 --> 00:21:27,255 Speaker 2: a home with the windows wide open in summer. It's 346 00:21:27,255 --> 00:21:29,455 Speaker 2: got to be one of the biggest misnomers around sort of, 347 00:21:30,175 --> 00:21:31,895 Speaker 2: you know, trying to make our houses a bit more 348 00:21:31,935 --> 00:21:34,375 Speaker 2: air tight, a bit more energy efficient. Is this notion 349 00:21:34,455 --> 00:21:36,535 Speaker 2: that you can't open the doors and windows. Of course 350 00:21:36,575 --> 00:21:39,335 Speaker 2: you can when it's a benefit to the house. But 351 00:21:39,415 --> 00:21:41,735 Speaker 2: when you close your doors and windows, you want them 352 00:21:41,775 --> 00:21:46,975 Speaker 2: to work properly. That's the issue. So thanks Fianna. I 353 00:21:47,015 --> 00:21:49,935 Speaker 2: get what you're saying, but you know, let's not pretend 354 00:21:50,015 --> 00:21:52,215 Speaker 2: that you can't open doors and windows on an energy 355 00:21:52,215 --> 00:21:54,695 Speaker 2: efficient house. Right, Yeah, that's my rant over. Let's talk 356 00:21:54,735 --> 00:21:57,655 Speaker 2: to Rid. Let's get into the garden. Maybe I can 357 00:21:57,695 --> 00:22:00,655 Speaker 2: ask him about me wasps oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. 358 00:22:03,815 --> 00:22:06,775 Speaker 1: For more from the Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp, listen 359 00:22:06,855 --> 00:22:09,615 Speaker 1: live to News Talk set B on Sunday mornings from six, 360 00:22:09,975 --> 00:22:12,015 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.