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Speaker 2: Wow a dazzling display of top order batting and a
Speaker 2: controlled efficient bowling effort demolished South Africa at the World
Speaker 2: T twenty. As we celebrate another finals, Bird on the
Speaker 2: Front Foot with Masterstroke by Razine helping you master your
Speaker 2: decorating projects. Does the current T twenty competition though lack integrity?
Speaker 2: Will try and answer that question by a British journalist
Speaker 2: and the White Ferns Dispatch Zimbabwe. But is it about
Speaker 2: the results or about the overall development of the women's game?
Speaker 4: But it's World T twenty.
Speaker 2: This unlike me, Jerry to be celebrating and get excited
Speaker 2: over a tea tweitty game and we've won it.
Speaker 3: The first time You've actually enjoyed.
Speaker 5: You look as if you're enjoying. It's great, But lo wdds. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think there's an element. I mean, given the performances
Speaker 5: of the two sides leading up to it, and given
Speaker 5: the hiding South Africa dished out to us in the
Speaker 5: group phase, and that New Zealand had come from those
Speaker 5: slow turning conditions in Sri Lanka back to India, and
Speaker 5: that one of our main bowl has virtually stepped off
Speaker 5: the flight from New Zealand.
Speaker 3: It was an unexpected win.
Speaker 5: I think that's fair to say it, but that's not
Speaker 5: a complaint in capitals. So we got a good start.
Speaker 5: I think we won the toss and we bowled first.
Speaker 5: I think that was very important in the context of
Speaker 5: the game. Mconkie, I never know whether it's mconkie or maconchie.
Speaker 5: You guys will have to decide, right, so McConkie second.
Speaker 3: Over.
Speaker 5: What it meant was I think that and that South
Speaker 5: Africa had to then make an unfamiliar choice. They a
Speaker 5: faced the weight of expectation because of their batting and
Speaker 5: so on, and they're unaccustomed to their top order going
Speaker 5: so quickly. And what it meant was because it wasn't
Speaker 5: the customary innings they had established over the tournament, they
Speaker 5: suddenly had to work out whether to you know, to
Speaker 5: get a total. They either just batted on the way
Speaker 5: that they did, or they had to get to the
Speaker 5: tenth over. I reckon eleventh over by not losing virtually
Speaker 5: any further work.
Speaker 3: It's maybe one max and then attack. That meant you.
Speaker 5: Would've had Mark Gramore Brevis who was at the crease.
Speaker 5: Then after the mc McConkey had got his two wickets,
Speaker 5: then you had still Miller, Stubbs, Jansen and.
Speaker 3: Bosh to go for those last half of the game.
Speaker 3: But they didn't. They chose the first option.
Speaker 5: They didn't delay the attack, and therefore they started to
Speaker 5: lose further wickets.
Speaker 3: And I don't know how you guys.
Speaker 5: Saw that general overall pattern, because by the time ten
Speaker 5: eleven overs came round, they were five down.
Speaker 4: Peter Holland is back with us, and I'm sure there's
Speaker 4: one thing that I sort of gleaned out of all
Speaker 4: of this was, apart from the fact they won and
Speaker 4: won comprehensively, your favorite man, the captain had an outstanding
Speaker 4: game really in terms of changing his bowlers and doing
Speaker 4: all he had to do, plus winning a toss, which
Speaker 4: is no me achievement competition.
Speaker 6: Did that first of all, I just want to express
Speaker 6: my enormous for ustration at this victory, because I've put
Speaker 6: a quite a lot of work and effort into just
Speaker 6: working through what my expectations were, which was too on
Speaker 6: this on the podcast today to explain why New Zealand
Speaker 6: had failed and lost, what the good things we could
Speaker 6: take out of it and so on. Well, I've had
Speaker 6: to rip all that up, haven't I. I mean, that's
Speaker 6: gone down the toilet.
Speaker 4: No, you can keep it for next week.
Speaker 5: Is that why you were late onto the podcast?
Speaker 3: You've blocked the laboratory.
Speaker 6: I'm confidently predicted, you know, we're going to lose. We
Speaker 6: five nil down and everything else. They flogged us the
Speaker 6: other day, they flogged in the and I just predicted
Speaker 6: they are the best best twenty twenty team in the world.
Speaker 6: Well yeah, well, well bugging me, excuse me? Apologies? Well,
Speaker 6: I apologize for all of that. And it's been the
Speaker 6: complete revelation and what a performance.
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, and to a certain extent, you know, we
Speaker 2: probably can revive the fact that South Africa are chokers
Speaker 2: again at the top level.
Speaker 4: Or is that a bit unfair?
Speaker 6: I always refrained from the word chokers because you know,
Speaker 6: if you constantly get into semifinals and finals but you lose. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's a bit like Greg Norman. He was called a choker,
Speaker 6: but gee was he won a lot? And that doesn't
Speaker 6: necessarily mean that I, you know, not that I was
Speaker 6: ever choker. It was never any good. But so I know,
Speaker 6: I just think that on a day, and I think
Speaker 6: the conditions are better for New Zealand.
Speaker 5: Look, we've had a hell of a lot of semifinals.
Speaker 5: Are we chokers? So? And we haven't got too many,
Speaker 5: you know, too many cups, I got to say, so,
Speaker 5: I don't think it is. I got a couple of questions,
Speaker 5: though you've you've given Mitchell Santina the big you know,
Speaker 5: Rev put McConkie have bowled another over well at some point,
Speaker 5: at some point in it, please, I mean Miller is
Speaker 5: a left hander, Robarda was a left hander.
Speaker 3: India will have more.
Speaker 5: And then my next question that you guys can answer
Speaker 5: for me is should niche.
Speaker 3: And bowl in the power play? And then a wider
Speaker 3: question should he bowl?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 2: Didn't we answer that last week that he shouldn't have
Speaker 2: been in the power play? Whether he should have bowled,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I think he picked up a wicket,
Speaker 2: didn't he? But you know, yeah, the McConkie one is
Speaker 2: interesting because I mean he's their choice, isn't he In
Speaker 2: terms of selection. He's there as a replacement for a
Speaker 2: player who was probably considered in the first eleven braceball
Speaker 2: and you know, to get to open the bowling. It's
Speaker 2: a hard thing to decide, moose whether or not the
Speaker 2: bowlers won the game or the batseman won the game.
Speaker 6: Oh that conundrum. Yeah, this guy mconkie, he's he's been
Speaker 6: delivering over a long time, hasn't hears and been a
Speaker 6: good player for a long time. It goes back to
Speaker 6: this stuff around you know, the Aussies and and and
Speaker 6: you know they come into the game after a lot
Speaker 6: of experience, and we've seen this with Bracewell, now Maconkey
Speaker 6: and others. It's it says a lot for it. So
Speaker 6: one not overawed, but two can deliver both bad and ball. Again,
Speaker 6: I've got to take my hat off to the selectors,
Speaker 6: which I ordinarily wouldn't do, but I think that the
Speaker 6: selections of interesting. I do have a question mark about
Speaker 6: Nichem and wondered whether I was I was interested in
Speaker 6: one that he was playing because I thought we had
Speaker 6: a pretty good settled side from the previous one, but
Speaker 6: that was picked in different conditions. Doerry, I have a
Speaker 6: question for you that perhaps the listeners could we mind
Speaker 6: enjoy it? There's conversations about black soil now I think
Speaker 6: I know what that means. Is that can you is
Speaker 6: that just because it's it bakes harder and doesn't break
Speaker 6: up or what is it? Because it seems to me
Speaker 6: that we played better in those sort of conditions on
Speaker 6: these in these sort of conditions where we played the
Speaker 6: one day as against India.
Speaker 5: Groundsman Cane, I think it just oh look, I just
Speaker 5: think that it's it's slower, isn't it, and it might
Speaker 5: just bounce a little bit less.
Speaker 3: I'm not too sure. I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't play in India, so I can't really answer
Speaker 5: that they're going to they've got both when they when
Speaker 5: they do manage to go to the final. Amanabad has
Speaker 5: is the place for the final, has got both red
Speaker 5: and black in the different parts of their square or
Speaker 5: their block, if you like. So we don't know exactly
Speaker 5: which one it's going to be, but certainly Finellen after
Speaker 5: the match spoke about it being a black soil pitch
Speaker 5: and he enjoyed that, and he had played on it
Speaker 5: once before and so he had some idea about that
Speaker 5: seemed to suit him. Actually, didn't it McConkey. Both was
Speaker 5: shorter balls, weren't they. Those two wickets he got on
Speaker 5: that second over both slightly shorter and I think slightly quicker,
Speaker 5: and they bounced a little bit more because the pop
Speaker 5: got a sort of quite high up on the bat,
Speaker 5: didn't he towards the splice and that's why he got
Speaker 5: no power into.
Speaker 3: It and was caught mid on.
Speaker 5: And then Rickleton first ball got a short one outside
Speaker 5: his off stump and that bounced as well, and he
Speaker 5: sliced it just a little bit as well to Alan
Speaker 5: at backward point. So that I just thought that was
Speaker 5: quite smart bowling actually, And that.
Speaker 3: Might be that experience you spoke about.
Speaker 5: But they were important, important wickets, I think, very important
Speaker 5: in terms of the game.
Speaker 2: Oh well, to get those players out, you know, they
Speaker 2: can be a real danger. And then later to get
Speaker 2: Brievius out. He's been one of the leading scorers well
Speaker 2: in terms of strike great rather than runs scored. But
Speaker 2: you know, you look look at that, I mean Alan
Speaker 2: Allen's innings often he gets to fifty or sixty and
Speaker 2: is inclined to get out. Isn't he you know, trying
Speaker 2: to increase the tempo. But I mean his innings thirty
Speaker 2: three balls. I mean, as as Mitchell Senter said after
Speaker 2: the game.
Speaker 4: It's not bad, is it.
Speaker 6: Mitchell sat Is He is known for the for understatement.
Speaker 6: But on that point, I think we did touch on
Speaker 6: it in an earlier podcast. Alan is maturing and seems
Speaker 6: to be coming into understanding his game better. He showed
Speaker 6: some patience when there were in other conditions. But I
Speaker 6: also note that in recently come out of the Big Bash,
Speaker 6: he yeah, he got hundreds there and big scores. So
Speaker 6: he's working his game out and needs to go on
Speaker 6: and is doing it. But that was some innings. I mean,
Speaker 6: my lord, I mean, I mean, I've had messages from
Speaker 6: the Netherlands which says of something about the interest in
Speaker 6: the in the tournament as well, I might add, and
Speaker 6: that that in itself and it says here admitting black
Speaker 6: in the Finava soil. Again, yeah, but it says something
Speaker 6: about it because people are watching this and as I say,
Speaker 6: I'm getting, you know, getting messages quite a few out
Speaker 6: of the Netherlands. That says something about this twenty twenty
Speaker 6: which frankly I thought would be a bit of a wallfest,
Speaker 6: which is hardly what it's been.
Speaker 3: Well, I would say Fanell and remember the name.
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm going to have to review my lack of
Speaker 5: trust in people. No surname, And I also wonder what
Speaker 5: New Zealand's net run raisers at the moment.
Speaker 3: But anyway, Look, it was a special innings, wasn't it.
Speaker 5: Very clean, hitting, great power and I think good options
Speaker 5: as well. Look, I thought anything up outside off it
Speaker 5: just goes.
Speaker 3: I mean he hits straight.
Speaker 5: In fact, he and Cipher both hit straight very well
Speaker 5: and powerfully, so it forces the bowlers you've either got
Speaker 5: a bowl very wide of off stump but not a wide,
Speaker 5: or you've got to pull your length back. And I
Speaker 5: thought they handled the short stuff also quite well, apart
Speaker 5: from Cipher's one where there was a missed catch fairly
Speaker 5: early on, wasn't there But you know, I just feel
Speaker 5: that he played very very well. Also Maharaj. He got
Speaker 5: back to Maharaj and played him virtually from the back
Speaker 5: foot and he got leg side of it and he
Speaker 5: tucked it or flicked it on the on side for
Speaker 5: two or four. If he ragged it down a little bit,
Speaker 5: it went to cow corner. If he pitched it up
Speaker 5: and he saw the lynx and it was full enough, he.
Speaker 3: Just bashed him straight over the bowler's head.
Speaker 5: So he had all that, all those components very very
Speaker 5: much under control. I thought, Yeah, there was a bit
Speaker 5: of luck in the first three overs, I think for
Speaker 5: both the bats and just a tad you know, fortune
Speaker 5: sat on their shoulders a bit. There were some outside
Speaker 5: middles that were close to fieldsmen or went over and
Speaker 5: went to boundary. But once they got going, it was
Speaker 5: very hard to bowl to them, I think, you know.
Speaker 5: And so what did they get to one hundred and
Speaker 5: seventeen for one so quickly?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we tend to forget that. Seifert played an
Speaker 2: important role. In fact, he started it all often. He
Speaker 2: took a major amount of the strike and started the
Speaker 2: thing early. Allen had to wait. He went or a
Speaker 2: good five balls without getting many runs, which was quite unbelievable.
Speaker 2: But interesting about the spin they opted for just one
Speaker 2: spin bowl of Maharaj. New Zealand went spin option, pretty much,
Speaker 2: didn't they with McConkie. Okay, only the.
Speaker 4: One over, but senter Revendra nine off two.
Speaker 2: You know that that's nine overs of spin and eight
Speaker 2: overs of seam and three overs of what Niche balls.
Speaker 5: I think Revendra is actually becoming quite a smart left
Speaker 5: armor when someone's attacking him.
Speaker 3: I think what he's doing is and I think.
Speaker 5: We saw just little incidences that we also saw in
Speaker 5: Sri Lanka. And of course it was turning a lot
Speaker 5: more over there. But any batsman that goes too early
Speaker 5: before he's released the ball, he can pull it a
Speaker 5: little bit wider and he drags the length just a
Speaker 5: little shorter as well. Okay, it may not have got
Speaker 5: wickets in terms of stumping here because it didn't turn
Speaker 5: so much, but you know he was able.
Speaker 3: They had to then adjust the stroke.
Speaker 5: But he's very aware and he you're almost bowling like
Speaker 5: a batsman. If you're coming at me, I will do this,
Speaker 5: and I think he notices that, and that's been quite
Speaker 5: a change in his bowling. I think because people are
Speaker 5: after him, there were catches dropped off him, weren't there.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's something also to mention guys. Revenger
Speaker 5: dropping a catch off Markram and the off the Ferguson
Speaker 5: over which I thought was quite a comfortable catch. He
Speaker 5: misjudged it at midwicket and then the catch off Ravendra
Speaker 5: himself sort of a running outfield catch which needed judgment
Speaker 5: and he got there easily, in fact didn't get a
Speaker 5: hand to it.
Speaker 3: It hit him on the chest.
Speaker 5: And I just wonder whether New Zealand are doing the
Speaker 5: catching under lights, because I noticed I don't know whether
Speaker 5: you guys did. When ferguson Court was at the pop
Speaker 5: first wicket he said to Sody as Sody brought something
Speaker 5: on and left, those lights were in my eyes.
Speaker 3: It wasn't as easy as it looked.
Speaker 5: And I just wonder whether New Zealand hadn't done the
Speaker 5: catching that you need to do.
Speaker 3: And I hope that they do that before the next game.
Speaker 2: Yes, well that's going to be in ama Aband and
Speaker 2: of course there's plenty of lights there and there'll be
Speaker 2: a full house. At the moment, we don't know who
Speaker 2: they're going to be playing, but it's going to be
Speaker 2: an interesting test.
Speaker 6: Most I was simply saying that I think what we're
Speaker 6: seeing is is a lot of our players evolving and
Speaker 6: developing with experience, and we're talking to Revenge of becoming
Speaker 6: a very useful left arm, the left arm spinner. As
Speaker 6: Jerry was just discussing the way I fell out and
Speaker 6: played Maharage. That's the sort of stuff that I mean.
Speaker 6: Jerry spent five minutes saying what I said in about
Speaker 6: one but that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: I like to make my comments clear.
Speaker 6: Yes, exactly quite right. That's that to me is a maturing,
Speaker 6: maturing player who's getting to understand their games. And I've
Speaker 6: seen that's going across the broad We're also getting contributions
Speaker 6: across from from pretty much the entire team, and that's
Speaker 6: got to be comfortable of great encouragement to us supporters
Speaker 6: of the Zealand cricket team going going into the next
Speaker 6: game looking forward to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I think they've achieved more than
Speaker 2: many of us might have expected.
Speaker 4: I expected the top four.
Speaker 2: I got to say, like you, I had to screw
Speaker 2: up my script most because I was expecting South Africa,
Speaker 2: who were many people's favorites and who had played with
Speaker 2: the sort of efficiency and consistency that you expect from
Speaker 2: a strong side. I expected them to win. I didn't
Speaker 2: expect and I won't be expecting the New Zealand cricket
Speaker 2: board to find the players for failing if they don't
Speaker 2: win the final, the way Pakistan has done for their
Speaker 2: players for an underwhelming T twenty World Cup campaign. The
Speaker 2: players have been fined equivalent of US eighteen thousand it's
Speaker 2: about thirty thousand New Zealand for missing out on the
Speaker 2: semi finals of the event.
Speaker 6: I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Just find that incomprehensible that any cricket board could do
Speaker 2: that to their players.
Speaker 4: But I guess that's Pakistan.
Speaker 5: Isn't it fine by the board or the government who
Speaker 5: knows they're both. The second thing I guess I would
Speaker 5: say about that hasn't been backdated to other sides that
Speaker 5: have lost. The third thing I might think about was
Speaker 5: what about that guy Fahan who's got three hundred and
Speaker 5: eighty three runs in an average of about eighty You're
Speaker 5: going to find him?
Speaker 3: Are they going to find Hessen as well? The coach?
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's disappointment when teams don't do as well as
Speaker 5: you would like, but finding them says we're going to
Speaker 5: attach your money value to that disappointment, and obviously the
Speaker 5: PCB is short of cash.
Speaker 6: I have great sympathy for the Pakistani players, not only
Speaker 6: getting walloped by their own people. They're getting expressly excluded
Speaker 6: from other competitions. I mean that's you know, it's not
Speaker 6: their fault. I think that. Yeah, Okay, they didn't get him,
Speaker 6: but there were quite a few other teams that didn't
Speaker 6: get in the semi finals either. I just have a
Speaker 6: great for them getting that wap from every direction.
Speaker 4: Well, there's a heck of an element of good luck,
Speaker 4: isn't there.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and they had the rain, Yeah.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 2: And and even though they scored well, they're up against
Speaker 2: a run rate pressure in the last game against Sri Lanka,
Speaker 2: which brings us to an interesting point raised by Tim Wigmore,
Speaker 2: the man who wrote the history of Test cricket, wrote
Speaker 2: an article in The Telegraph talking about this World t
Speaker 2: twenty saying it has no integrity and India is to blame.
Speaker 2: Cricket is the only sport to precede knockout stages as
Speaker 2: they look to try and promote their own performance. Do
Speaker 2: you imagine that these tournaments are lacking in integrity? As
Speaker 2: he says that tournaments are built on integrity, competitiveness, consistency
Speaker 2: in fairness, and yet you know there are so many
Speaker 2: rules that make it a lot more difficult for sides
Speaker 2: to play. When you think back to how they decided
Speaker 2: the Super eight competition.
Speaker 6: Well, I think I think the idea and the word
Speaker 6: integrity is probably best considered to be aspiration as opposed
Speaker 6: to an obligation. And I think anyone who's been around
Speaker 6: and has observed cricket and possibly other sports should be
Speaker 6: well aware the fact that perhaps things are not as
Speaker 6: we might like, but they what's the word, seem to
Speaker 6: be some teams seem to get better luck when the
Speaker 6: cards are drawn, so to speak, or whatever. And that's
Speaker 6: just the way it's been and I don't think that's
Speaker 6: going to change anytime soon, would be my observation. Cynical perhaps,
Speaker 6: but that's the way it is.
Speaker 3: And yeah, no, that's not cynical. It's just a fact.
Speaker 5: Now. I think we've got to acknowledge it that India
Speaker 5: have been favored once again. You know, India have distinct advantages.
Speaker 5: They've had them in the past. You'd look at the
Speaker 5: guy on a situation and Lasty twenty World Cup. They
Speaker 5: knew where they were going to play their semi they
Speaker 5: weren't weren't going to do that otherwise, so they could
Speaker 5: therefore select players and their squad to suit the conditions there.
Speaker 5: And then don't forget the Champion's trophy where they went
Speaker 5: down to Dubai and they stayed there the entire time
Speaker 5: while everybody else traveled for hours. They could practice at
Speaker 5: the same ground continually, a nice gentle product bar ride
Speaker 5: back to the hotel each day. They knew the venue
Speaker 5: will they knew the lights, they knew the jew factor,
Speaker 5: they knew the angles, they knew the ends.
Speaker 3: For bowlers, they were all set up in their changing room.
Speaker 5: I mean, for heaven's sake, they always play the last game,
Speaker 5: you know, in the group stages, just in case, so
Speaker 5: that they know exactly how many overs they have to
Speaker 5: get the runs in, or how many wickets they have
Speaker 5: to take, or those sorts of things.
Speaker 3: And that's been.
Speaker 5: Five out of the last, so the guy points out
Speaker 5: in his little article, five of the last six World
Speaker 5: Cups they play the last group game. Yes, you don't
Speaker 5: mind it being once, that's fair enough, but five out
Speaker 5: of six is a bit more than what you would expect.
Speaker 5: I don't like the preceding guys either. I don't like
Speaker 5: that at all. Frankly, to have all the top teams
Speaker 5: from the group stage straight into that group. That meant that,
Speaker 5: you know, the West Indies defeat of England, for example,
Speaker 5: England have got through West Indies, haven't. The West Indies
Speaker 5: defeated England and smashed them really by thirty odd runs
Speaker 5: and about half their wickets left, and yet they're out
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 3: You know someone was going to miss out.
Speaker 5: I mean, you get to a point where the two
Speaker 5: top sides are playing each other in the final eventually,
Speaker 5: don't you. But if you put them all in the
Speaker 5: same group, two of them drop out very early or earlier,
Speaker 5: and spreading them between the two group getting.
Speaker 2: To the super eight stage, teams are not getting rewarded
Speaker 2: for what they've achieved in the round robin. You know,
Speaker 2: if you win your competition, it should be not a given,
Speaker 2: but it should be an easier path to the final
Speaker 2: and not have to come up against sides that you've
Speaker 2: beaten previously. And I just find it, you know, very
Speaker 2: very difficult to accept that that's a world tournament. I mean,
Speaker 2: I suppose we can all sit back and say, well,
Speaker 2: it's only T twenty, it's not the it's not the
Speaker 2: World Test Championship, where nothing dodgy was done there in
Speaker 2: any of the games, was there twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4: I'll get over that, Brian, for goodness sake.
Speaker 3: Yes, get over it.
Speaker 6: Brian, No, no, no, no, I'm sorry. You can't get
Speaker 6: over that.
Speaker 2: And we never Gee, you and I two weeks in
Speaker 2: a have agreed on something.
Speaker 6: We're going to stop this.
Speaker 3: I'm feeling quite quite alone here at the moment. I
Speaker 3: don't agree with either of you.
Speaker 5: It's right, but it's not the way you play tournaments,
Speaker 5: is it.
Speaker 3: And that's the point that is making that he's you
Speaker 3: win your group. There's an advantage two of the top sides.
Speaker 5: When there are four groups in the group phase, two
Speaker 5: of them going to one one lot, two of them
Speaker 5: go to the other, not all four together.
Speaker 3: What it is about is cash.
Speaker 5: They want those broadcasters want basically money from Biggish games
Speaker 5: because they're all the leading sides. But it knocks out
Speaker 5: two of them a bit early because only two can
Speaker 5: go through to the semi final phase.
Speaker 6: Yeah, unfortunately, Jury, I mean, you're right, it is all
Speaker 6: about cash, and if it is all about cash, you
Speaker 6: can be misassured that it isn't probably arranged in the
Speaker 6: in the logical and fair manner that we might all
Speaker 6: like so, but as we I think we all know
Speaker 6: we've acknowledged that's not going to change anytime soon. Sadly, No,
Speaker 6: but that's that's it, and we can yeah, I've got
Speaker 6: well checked. Yeah, nothing else.
Speaker 2: No, it changes of course the situation. One set of
Speaker 2: the competition has played in round robin and then while
Speaker 2: you get it round robin for the Super Eights, you
Speaker 2: do get at least a one off chance. And New
Speaker 2: Zealand has proven that, haven't they That they would have
Speaker 2: probably been regarded as fourth team. Yet they're unto the final.
Speaker 2: So you know, but Tim week more, we might get
Speaker 2: him on again. He's interesting man to talk to and
Speaker 2: he's he's certainly got some very very harsh comments about
Speaker 2: the running of the game. He's taken a bit of stick.
Speaker 2: Of course, everybody's got an and said, oh, you're just
Speaker 2: whining because England doesn't control the game anymore, et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera. But you know that shouldn't be the background
Speaker 2: for anybody's opinion on anything. The fact that the game
Speaker 2: is now run by the Indian Cricket Board, and that's
Speaker 2: what it says ICC is the Indian Credit Council, isn't
Speaker 2: it will get.
Speaker 6: The point is though, Brian, if you read it dispassionately,
Speaker 6: there's nothing there that you can say that I disagree with.
Speaker 6: And he's the point of whether it will change it, it
Speaker 6: doesn't matter, but it's we're having the conversation about it,
Speaker 6: and that's that's no bad thing. So yeah, I would
Speaker 6: say absolutely do it, and I'm not going to criticize.
Speaker 6: I'm going to but I can't fault them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if I was a West Indies player, I'd
Speaker 3: be hacked off. Actually absolutely.
Speaker 5: Our team played well in the group phase. We should
Speaker 5: have had either Pakistan, Tri Lanka or England on his
Speaker 5: inn two of them. I should have been playing against
Speaker 5: those teams and not India and South Africa. Yes, they've
Speaker 5: they've been forced prematurely as far as I can see,
Speaker 5: to leave the tournament.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 2: And they played a good brand of cricket as well too,
Speaker 2: with hit Meyer leading away with the bat and some
Speaker 2: of their bottles. Yeah job, Yeah, Well, we'll waiting to
Speaker 2: see the outcome of that. Next week we'll review the
Speaker 2: final for the World T twenty and we might be
Speaker 2: celebrating again with a bottle of champagne for the black Caps.
Speaker 1: Brian Waddell Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2: Have the White Ferns been well served by the tour
Speaker 2: by Zimbabwe to New Zealand. Well, it's hard to make
Speaker 2: a judgment considering the disparity in rankings, but they've achieved
Speaker 2: results that have been required and without the top order
Speaker 2: batting get too many opportunities.
Speaker 4: Only three people have batted. One thing was a success though.
Speaker 2: Coach Ben Sawer points to the use of Izy Gaze
Speaker 2: as an opener in place of Susie Bates.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Look, it's something we've spoken about a lot into this
Speaker 7: and I think you saw that during Super Smash that
Speaker 7: it is a shift that we're going to make. We've
Speaker 7: had that discussion with Susie as well. So easy will
Speaker 7: go to the top of the order and hopefully she's
Speaker 7: there for the World Cup. There's a lot of water
Speaker 7: to go under the bridge for that, but that's a
Speaker 7: role that she's going to potentially play for us, and
Speaker 7: I think you can see that she's got the intent
Speaker 7: that you know, we feel that, especially in England, the
Speaker 7: schools are going to be really high and we need
Speaker 7: someone to go out there and do that for us.
Speaker 7: SUSI will play a role for us in the middle
Speaker 7: order and we feel that that strengthens that up as well.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I think we've got the best of both worlds.
Speaker 7: Bit of experience, I guess later on in the innings,
Speaker 7: but with easy gaze, just that real power and intent
Speaker 7: that she brings, I think something that we're going to
Speaker 7: need in the UK.
Speaker 4: And how to Sawyer rate the captaincy of merely ker
Speaker 4: in her first official out thing.
Speaker 7: This series is probably about giving people a few opportunities
Speaker 7: and I think she did that really really well. She
Speaker 7: managed the Bowl as well. Yeah, the challenge will be
Speaker 7: for her when we come up against those I guess
Speaker 7: higher ranked teams that when the pressure comes on, But
Speaker 7: I'm sure she'll do with it. She's she's an amazing
Speaker 7: thinker of the game and her on field tactics I
Speaker 7: think are spot on. So yeah, it's not a concern
Speaker 7: for me at all how she's going to go with
Speaker 7: the captaincy on the field.
Speaker 2: It's pretty hard to make the judgment Jerry, in terms of,
Speaker 2: as I said, the disparity and rankings, but the end
Speaker 2: result is that it's doing something I suppose to widen
Speaker 2: the international game. Although should it be done this way
Speaker 2: or should there be another level of women's cricketers to
Speaker 2: play against.
Speaker 5: Look, I think it's good that there isn't at the moment, though,
Speaker 5: is there. I mean, I don't know whether the New
Speaker 5: Zealand could have played a sort of a mixed selection
Speaker 5: against them.
Speaker 3: Perhaps, don't know.
Speaker 5: But it's a good run out, you know for the
Speaker 5: for the New Zealanders, they might build some confidence from it.
Speaker 5: They've won convincingly in the three games, and it may
Speaker 5: it could be larger in the ODIs because the game
Speaker 5: is longer.
Speaker 3: We'll wait and see.
Speaker 5: Of course, those those three matches to be played in Otago,
Speaker 5: I guess and Dunedin. So look, I think gays will
Speaker 5: probably feel a bit happier about it.
Speaker 3: I still think there are things.
Speaker 5: She closes her face and doesn't get the shoulder into
Speaker 5: the drive, so if you don't do that, you can't
Speaker 5: hit on the off side. She basically restricts the areas
Speaker 5: she can score in and to the leg side and
Speaker 5: backward a point, and that's sometimes with a reverse sweep.
Speaker 5: So I think there are things that she can improve.
Speaker 5: But if that's where they want her to bat, to
Speaker 5: try and take advantage of a power play.
Speaker 3: That's fair enough. We got the Tea twenty World Cup
Speaker 3: coming up in England, haven't we for the women, so
Speaker 3: let's see how it goes.
Speaker 5: Amelia Kerr was a was you know, a class apart
Speaker 5: to be honest from the other players. And I thought
Speaker 5: Zimbabwe looked busy in the field. They died, they tried hard.
Speaker 5: I like the look of their legs spinner as well.
Speaker 5: Look and Suma, I think her name is Tsuma. I
Speaker 5: thought she was the only one who challenged to meally
Speaker 5: occur a little bit. New Zealand have got illing. She
Speaker 5: needs to me just a little more pace to bring
Speaker 5: swing into play. At the moment, it's just a wee
Speaker 5: bit slow, I think, especially against the better players. Wickets
Speaker 5: for all the New Zealanders, let's just let's just wait
Speaker 5: and see.
Speaker 3: It's a pretty there.
Speaker 5: I mean, players like Maddie Green and you know, they
Speaker 5: just didn't even get a back, did they.
Speaker 8: So that's a bit of a shame. I guess I
Speaker 8: think that it's had to take a lot from it.
Speaker 8: The opportunity to bring some new players in is probably good,
Speaker 8: give them experience, but I don't think we can.
Speaker 6: Take a lot out of it at all. And it
Speaker 6: would be nice to have other opposition, but I guess
Speaker 6: we're obligated to to take these sides on a rotation basis.
Speaker 6: And frankly it's important for Zimbabwe too to have exposure
Speaker 6: to these.
Speaker 5: I think I just think Zimbabwe got to just soak
Speaker 5: up everything they.
Speaker 3: Can exactly, don't they know.
Speaker 5: That's got to get as much as they can get
Speaker 5: from the pitchers, from their bowling, try to get access
Speaker 5: to cur if you're if you're a leg spinner or
Speaker 5: a batsman, sit down with them after the game, absorb
Speaker 5: ideas how do they practice swinging the ball, how do
Speaker 5: they get spinning it in accuracy? Just everything they can
Speaker 5: get out of the New Zealand is to make use
Speaker 5: of this opportunity to become better players.
Speaker 3: The coaches as well.
Speaker 5: The whole thing is a developmental tour as far as
Speaker 5: they concerned, and I hope New Zealand it looks as
Speaker 5: though they're awake to it and aware of it and
Speaker 5: trying to help those players and that's how the tour
Speaker 5: can become a value.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the interesting thing too is that there are two
Speaker 2: new players selected and both performed adequately. YEA night in
Speaker 2: the medium pace picked up a couple of wickets. She's
Speaker 2: got a bit to learn, but this is where she's
Speaker 2: going to learn it quite clearly, because they don't get
Speaker 2: the opportunities to learn to play cricket anywhere else. And
Speaker 2: Nancy Patel I thought was an interesting off spinner.
Speaker 4: I favored.
Speaker 2: I must admit my Wellington player as a choice, Zara Jentley,
Speaker 2: who's had a very good season. But Patel looked very
Speaker 2: useful as an off spinner. Five wickets at an average
Speaker 2: of seven, and she took her opportunities and that's encouraging.
Speaker 2: So I guess it just widens the depth to some extent,
Speaker 2: because there's not a lot of depth in the New
Speaker 2: Zealand game to play in the national cricket most, is there.
Speaker 6: No, I think you're right. That was the point. I
Speaker 6: was trying to amaze that we've had an opportunity to
Speaker 6: bring new players. And although I think it's a bit
Speaker 6: mean of New Zealand cricket to stick the paws and
Speaker 6: babweans down under needing down there, we're probably going to
Speaker 6: be arctic conditions and that's a bit tough on them,
Speaker 6: isn't it. But then again, you've got to work around
Speaker 6: all the conditions and then that's the way it is. Yep.
Speaker 5: Well we regularly did it to the West Indies and
Speaker 5: they seem to lose the heaters as well and the
Speaker 5: power and that that went off dramatically in their changing room.
Speaker 4: Very hard to play with three sweaters on too, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeahs And hard to bet with nine rubbers on the
Speaker 5: bet as well.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Lloyd, yeah, hold exactly. That's a whole different
Speaker 2: story altogether. Well, next week we'll celebrate hopefully. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: can organize lunch at the Bolcott streets.
Speaker 4: Oh no, you're not there anymore of them, they say you.
Speaker 6: You no, no, but outstanding invitation Brian for you and
Speaker 6: Jerry any point, So there's no issue there, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you'd be panel now when you panel or
Speaker 4: punts be.
Speaker 6: Right, I'm in Montelbert.
Speaker 3: There you go. Goodness goes further away than I thought.
Speaker 2: Well, we might have a function all on our own
Speaker 2: jury just to celebrate. But I'll get a bottle of
Speaker 2: champagne and to celebrate even if you guys don't want
Speaker 2: to take part.
Speaker 6: We've got one. And isn't it exciting for New Zealand cricket?
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean, are there heavy observations around that
Speaker 6: we and I don't know how they've just fundled suddenly
Speaker 6: just found us out that New Zealand's actually done quite
Speaker 6: well over many many years now in these sort of competitions.
Speaker 2: And underdogs, no one rates us, all right, Yes, thanks
Speaker 2: for your time, guys. We'll talk again next week when
Speaker 2: we can have a look at the performance in the final.
Speaker 3: Cheers with five Boys. Take care take all the word
Speaker 3: fulgies of summing.
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