1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:16,133 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:19,973 --> 00:00:25,013 Speaker 2: Take another's it is out, The test is over. 4 00:00:27,253 --> 00:00:29,693 Speaker 3: Goodness smoke wows. 5 00:00:29,013 --> 00:00:31,933 Speaker 4: A beauty It is out. 6 00:00:31,053 --> 00:00:34,133 Speaker 3: Here you guys. Just Delivery has in users to Bowl. 7 00:00:36,373 --> 00:00:39,773 Speaker 1: On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody, 8 00:00:40,053 --> 00:00:43,973 Speaker 1: powered by News Talks hed B at iHeart Radio. 9 00:00:45,893 --> 00:00:49,333 Speaker 2: Wow a dazzling display of top order batting and a 10 00:00:49,413 --> 00:00:53,013 Speaker 2: controlled efficient bowling effort demolished South Africa at the World 11 00:00:53,093 --> 00:00:57,053 Speaker 2: T twenty. As we celebrate another finals, Bird on the 12 00:00:57,053 --> 00:01:00,853 Speaker 2: Front Foot with Masterstroke by Razine helping you master your 13 00:01:00,973 --> 00:01:06,333 Speaker 2: decorating projects. Does the current T twenty competition though lack integrity? 14 00:01:06,413 --> 00:01:09,773 Speaker 2: Will try and answer that question by a British journalist 15 00:01:10,573 --> 00:01:14,693 Speaker 2: and the White Ferns Dispatch Zimbabwe. But is it about 16 00:01:14,733 --> 00:01:18,893 Speaker 2: the results or about the overall development of the women's game? 17 00:01:19,453 --> 00:01:21,293 Speaker 4: But it's World T twenty. 18 00:01:22,293 --> 00:01:26,213 Speaker 2: This unlike me, Jerry to be celebrating and get excited 19 00:01:26,373 --> 00:01:29,413 Speaker 2: over a tea tweitty game and we've won it. 20 00:01:29,133 --> 00:01:30,853 Speaker 3: The first time You've actually enjoyed. 21 00:01:31,213 --> 00:01:36,053 Speaker 5: You look as if you're enjoying. It's great, But lo wdds. Yeah, 22 00:01:36,133 --> 00:01:39,693 Speaker 5: I think there's an element. I mean, given the performances 23 00:01:39,693 --> 00:01:42,173 Speaker 5: of the two sides leading up to it, and given 24 00:01:42,213 --> 00:01:46,253 Speaker 5: the hiding South Africa dished out to us in the 25 00:01:46,333 --> 00:01:49,693 Speaker 5: group phase, and that New Zealand had come from those 26 00:01:49,773 --> 00:01:53,733 Speaker 5: slow turning conditions in Sri Lanka back to India, and 27 00:01:53,813 --> 00:01:56,773 Speaker 5: that one of our main bowl has virtually stepped off 28 00:01:56,813 --> 00:01:58,573 Speaker 5: the flight from New Zealand. 29 00:01:59,293 --> 00:02:00,733 Speaker 3: It was an unexpected win. 30 00:02:00,813 --> 00:02:03,213 Speaker 5: I think that's fair to say it, but that's not 31 00:02:03,333 --> 00:02:08,053 Speaker 5: a complaint in capitals. So we got a good start. 32 00:02:08,093 --> 00:02:11,613 Speaker 5: I think we won the toss and we bowled first. 33 00:02:11,653 --> 00:02:14,213 Speaker 5: I think that was very important in the context of 34 00:02:14,253 --> 00:02:18,173 Speaker 5: the game. Mconkie, I never know whether it's mconkie or maconchie. 35 00:02:18,213 --> 00:02:23,013 Speaker 5: You guys will have to decide, right, so McConkie second. 36 00:02:23,053 --> 00:02:23,333 Speaker 3: Over. 37 00:02:23,893 --> 00:02:27,973 Speaker 5: What it meant was I think that and that South 38 00:02:28,013 --> 00:02:32,733 Speaker 5: Africa had to then make an unfamiliar choice. They a 39 00:02:32,973 --> 00:02:35,893 Speaker 5: faced the weight of expectation because of their batting and 40 00:02:35,933 --> 00:02:39,013 Speaker 5: so on, and they're unaccustomed to their top order going 41 00:02:39,093 --> 00:02:42,973 Speaker 5: so quickly. And what it meant was because it wasn't 42 00:02:42,973 --> 00:02:48,013 Speaker 5: the customary innings they had established over the tournament, they 43 00:02:48,093 --> 00:02:51,973 Speaker 5: suddenly had to work out whether to you know, to 44 00:02:52,013 --> 00:02:55,413 Speaker 5: get a total. They either just batted on the way 45 00:02:55,453 --> 00:02:57,973 Speaker 5: that they did, or they had to get to the 46 00:02:58,013 --> 00:03:03,333 Speaker 5: tenth over. I reckon eleventh over by not losing virtually 47 00:03:03,453 --> 00:03:04,213 Speaker 5: any further work. 48 00:03:04,253 --> 00:03:08,053 Speaker 3: It's maybe one max and then attack. That meant you. 49 00:03:08,053 --> 00:03:10,893 Speaker 5: Would've had Mark Gramore Brevis who was at the crease. 50 00:03:10,933 --> 00:03:14,413 Speaker 5: Then after the mc McConkey had got his two wickets, 51 00:03:15,093 --> 00:03:18,813 Speaker 5: then you had still Miller, Stubbs, Jansen and. 52 00:03:18,773 --> 00:03:22,613 Speaker 3: Bosh to go for those last half of the game. 53 00:03:23,253 --> 00:03:25,093 Speaker 3: But they didn't. They chose the first option. 54 00:03:25,573 --> 00:03:29,933 Speaker 5: They didn't delay the attack, and therefore they started to 55 00:03:29,973 --> 00:03:31,373 Speaker 5: lose further wickets. 56 00:03:31,613 --> 00:03:33,213 Speaker 3: And I don't know how you guys. 57 00:03:33,213 --> 00:03:37,533 Speaker 5: Saw that general overall pattern, because by the time ten 58 00:03:37,573 --> 00:03:40,293 Speaker 5: eleven overs came round, they were five down. 59 00:03:40,613 --> 00:03:44,893 Speaker 4: Peter Holland is back with us, and I'm sure there's 60 00:03:44,933 --> 00:03:48,693 Speaker 4: one thing that I sort of gleaned out of all 61 00:03:48,693 --> 00:03:50,573 Speaker 4: of this was, apart from the fact they won and 62 00:03:50,613 --> 00:03:55,013 Speaker 4: won comprehensively, your favorite man, the captain had an outstanding 63 00:03:55,053 --> 00:03:58,373 Speaker 4: game really in terms of changing his bowlers and doing 64 00:03:58,413 --> 00:04:01,773 Speaker 4: all he had to do, plus winning a toss, which 65 00:04:01,853 --> 00:04:05,013 Speaker 4: is no me achievement competition. 66 00:04:05,133 --> 00:04:07,253 Speaker 6: Did that first of all, I just want to express 67 00:04:07,253 --> 00:04:11,053 Speaker 6: my enormous for ustration at this victory, because I've put 68 00:04:11,093 --> 00:04:13,333 Speaker 6: a quite a lot of work and effort into just 69 00:04:13,413 --> 00:04:17,213 Speaker 6: working through what my expectations were, which was too on 70 00:04:17,293 --> 00:04:21,253 Speaker 6: this on the podcast today to explain why New Zealand 71 00:04:21,293 --> 00:04:24,733 Speaker 6: had failed and lost, what the good things we could 72 00:04:24,773 --> 00:04:27,013 Speaker 6: take out of it and so on. Well, I've had 73 00:04:27,013 --> 00:04:31,973 Speaker 6: to rip all that up, haven't I. I mean, that's 74 00:04:32,013 --> 00:04:32,973 Speaker 6: gone down the toilet. 75 00:04:33,413 --> 00:04:34,933 Speaker 4: No, you can keep it for next week. 76 00:04:35,373 --> 00:04:38,493 Speaker 5: Is that why you were late onto the podcast? 77 00:04:39,253 --> 00:04:40,533 Speaker 3: You've blocked the laboratory. 78 00:04:42,493 --> 00:04:44,693 Speaker 6: I'm confidently predicted, you know, we're going to lose. We 79 00:04:44,853 --> 00:04:47,053 Speaker 6: five nil down and everything else. They flogged us the 80 00:04:47,093 --> 00:04:51,933 Speaker 6: other day, they flogged in the and I just predicted 81 00:04:51,973 --> 00:04:54,213 Speaker 6: they are the best best twenty twenty team in the world. 82 00:04:54,453 --> 00:04:58,733 Speaker 6: Well yeah, well, well bugging me, excuse me? Apologies? Well, 83 00:04:58,773 --> 00:05:01,453 Speaker 6: I apologize for all of that. And it's been the 84 00:05:01,493 --> 00:05:04,453 Speaker 6: complete revelation and what a performance. 85 00:05:04,813 --> 00:05:07,613 Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, and to a certain extent, you know, we 86 00:05:08,013 --> 00:05:10,933 Speaker 2: probably can revive the fact that South Africa are chokers 87 00:05:11,133 --> 00:05:12,693 Speaker 2: again at the top level. 88 00:05:12,733 --> 00:05:13,773 Speaker 4: Or is that a bit unfair? 89 00:05:14,053 --> 00:05:18,013 Speaker 6: I always refrained from the word chokers because you know, 90 00:05:18,213 --> 00:05:22,213 Speaker 6: if you constantly get into semifinals and finals but you lose. Yeah, 91 00:05:22,413 --> 00:05:24,333 Speaker 6: it's a bit like Greg Norman. He was called a choker, 92 00:05:24,373 --> 00:05:26,653 Speaker 6: but gee was he won a lot? And that doesn't 93 00:05:26,653 --> 00:05:29,173 Speaker 6: necessarily mean that I, you know, not that I was 94 00:05:29,173 --> 00:05:32,693 Speaker 6: ever choker. It was never any good. But so I know, 95 00:05:32,733 --> 00:05:38,413 Speaker 6: I just think that on a day, and I think 96 00:05:38,493 --> 00:05:41,293 Speaker 6: the conditions are better for New Zealand. 97 00:05:41,893 --> 00:05:44,813 Speaker 5: Look, we've had a hell of a lot of semifinals. 98 00:05:45,253 --> 00:05:48,413 Speaker 5: Are we chokers? So? And we haven't got too many, 99 00:05:49,053 --> 00:05:52,853 Speaker 5: you know, too many cups, I got to say, so, 100 00:05:53,173 --> 00:05:57,133 Speaker 5: I don't think it is. I got a couple of questions, 101 00:05:57,133 --> 00:06:00,773 Speaker 5: though you've you've given Mitchell Santina the big you know, 102 00:06:00,893 --> 00:06:06,173 Speaker 5: Rev put McConkie have bowled another over well at some point, 103 00:06:06,653 --> 00:06:09,893 Speaker 5: at some point in it, please, I mean Miller is 104 00:06:09,893 --> 00:06:12,853 Speaker 5: a left hander, Robarda was a left hander. 105 00:06:12,893 --> 00:06:14,093 Speaker 3: India will have more. 106 00:06:14,933 --> 00:06:17,453 Speaker 5: And then my next question that you guys can answer 107 00:06:17,453 --> 00:06:18,733 Speaker 5: for me is should niche. 108 00:06:18,453 --> 00:06:22,653 Speaker 3: And bowl in the power play? And then a wider 109 00:06:22,733 --> 00:06:24,733 Speaker 3: question should he bowl? 110 00:06:26,413 --> 00:06:26,533 Speaker 6: Well? 111 00:06:26,573 --> 00:06:28,613 Speaker 2: Didn't we answer that last week that he shouldn't have 112 00:06:28,613 --> 00:06:30,613 Speaker 2: been in the power play? Whether he should have bowled, 113 00:06:30,693 --> 00:06:32,333 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I think he picked up a wicket, 114 00:06:32,373 --> 00:06:36,973 Speaker 2: didn't he? But you know, yeah, the McConkie one is 115 00:06:37,013 --> 00:06:40,493 Speaker 2: interesting because I mean he's their choice, isn't he In 116 00:06:40,613 --> 00:06:44,373 Speaker 2: terms of selection. He's there as a replacement for a 117 00:06:44,413 --> 00:06:48,453 Speaker 2: player who was probably considered in the first eleven braceball 118 00:06:48,813 --> 00:06:52,693 Speaker 2: and you know, to get to open the bowling. It's 119 00:06:52,693 --> 00:06:55,453 Speaker 2: a hard thing to decide, moose whether or not the 120 00:06:55,493 --> 00:06:57,613 Speaker 2: bowlers won the game or the batseman won the game. 121 00:06:58,173 --> 00:07:05,173 Speaker 6: Oh that conundrum. Yeah, this guy mconkie, he's he's been 122 00:07:05,373 --> 00:07:11,013 Speaker 6: delivering over a long time, hasn't hears and been a 123 00:07:11,013 --> 00:07:13,213 Speaker 6: good player for a long time. It goes back to 124 00:07:13,253 --> 00:07:16,453 Speaker 6: this stuff around you know, the Aussies and and and 125 00:07:16,773 --> 00:07:19,333 Speaker 6: you know they come into the game after a lot 126 00:07:19,373 --> 00:07:22,213 Speaker 6: of experience, and we've seen this with Bracewell, now Maconkey 127 00:07:22,773 --> 00:07:25,973 Speaker 6: and others. It's it says a lot for it. So 128 00:07:26,653 --> 00:07:31,453 Speaker 6: one not overawed, but two can deliver both bad and ball. Again, 129 00:07:31,493 --> 00:07:33,853 Speaker 6: I've got to take my hat off to the selectors, 130 00:07:33,853 --> 00:07:36,693 Speaker 6: which I ordinarily wouldn't do, but I think that the 131 00:07:36,773 --> 00:07:39,333 Speaker 6: selections of interesting. I do have a question mark about 132 00:07:39,413 --> 00:07:43,253 Speaker 6: Nichem and wondered whether I was I was interested in 133 00:07:43,253 --> 00:07:45,893 Speaker 6: one that he was playing because I thought we had 134 00:07:45,933 --> 00:07:48,373 Speaker 6: a pretty good settled side from the previous one, but 135 00:07:48,413 --> 00:07:52,093 Speaker 6: that was picked in different conditions. Doerry, I have a 136 00:07:52,173 --> 00:07:56,773 Speaker 6: question for you that perhaps the listeners could we mind 137 00:07:56,853 --> 00:08:01,653 Speaker 6: enjoy it? There's conversations about black soil now I think 138 00:08:01,693 --> 00:08:04,653 Speaker 6: I know what that means. Is that can you is 139 00:08:04,653 --> 00:08:08,293 Speaker 6: that just because it's it bakes harder and doesn't break 140 00:08:08,533 --> 00:08:11,573 Speaker 6: up or what is it? Because it seems to me 141 00:08:11,653 --> 00:08:14,093 Speaker 6: that we played better in those sort of conditions on 142 00:08:14,173 --> 00:08:16,173 Speaker 6: these in these sort of conditions where we played the 143 00:08:16,213 --> 00:08:17,413 Speaker 6: one day as against India. 144 00:08:17,973 --> 00:08:20,733 Speaker 5: Groundsman Cane, I think it just oh look, I just 145 00:08:20,813 --> 00:08:24,493 Speaker 5: think that it's it's slower, isn't it, and it might 146 00:08:24,653 --> 00:08:26,733 Speaker 5: just bounce a little bit less. 147 00:08:27,893 --> 00:08:29,253 Speaker 3: I'm not too sure. I didn't. 148 00:08:29,333 --> 00:08:33,173 Speaker 5: I didn't play in India, so I can't really answer 149 00:08:33,253 --> 00:08:36,653 Speaker 5: that they're going to they've got both when they when 150 00:08:36,653 --> 00:08:41,293 Speaker 5: they do manage to go to the final. Amanabad has 151 00:08:41,693 --> 00:08:44,013 Speaker 5: is the place for the final, has got both red 152 00:08:44,053 --> 00:08:48,533 Speaker 5: and black in the different parts of their square or 153 00:08:48,573 --> 00:08:52,773 Speaker 5: their block, if you like. So we don't know exactly 154 00:08:53,733 --> 00:08:57,893 Speaker 5: which one it's going to be, but certainly Finellen after 155 00:08:57,973 --> 00:09:01,933 Speaker 5: the match spoke about it being a black soil pitch 156 00:09:02,013 --> 00:09:04,453 Speaker 5: and he enjoyed that, and he had played on it 157 00:09:04,573 --> 00:09:08,053 Speaker 5: once before and so he had some idea about that 158 00:09:08,493 --> 00:09:12,853 Speaker 5: seemed to suit him. Actually, didn't it McConkey. Both was 159 00:09:12,973 --> 00:09:15,853 Speaker 5: shorter balls, weren't they. Those two wickets he got on 160 00:09:15,973 --> 00:09:20,693 Speaker 5: that second over both slightly shorter and I think slightly quicker, 161 00:09:21,013 --> 00:09:24,533 Speaker 5: and they bounced a little bit more because the pop 162 00:09:24,613 --> 00:09:27,413 Speaker 5: got a sort of quite high up on the bat, 163 00:09:27,493 --> 00:09:31,693 Speaker 5: didn't he towards the splice and that's why he got 164 00:09:31,693 --> 00:09:33,373 Speaker 5: no power into. 165 00:09:33,253 --> 00:09:34,413 Speaker 3: It and was caught mid on. 166 00:09:35,453 --> 00:09:38,733 Speaker 5: And then Rickleton first ball got a short one outside 167 00:09:38,813 --> 00:09:40,573 Speaker 5: his off stump and that bounced as well, and he 168 00:09:40,653 --> 00:09:44,533 Speaker 5: sliced it just a little bit as well to Alan 169 00:09:44,733 --> 00:09:48,693 Speaker 5: at backward point. So that I just thought that was 170 00:09:48,773 --> 00:09:52,853 Speaker 5: quite smart bowling actually, And that. 171 00:09:52,813 --> 00:09:54,893 Speaker 3: Might be that experience you spoke about. 172 00:09:55,253 --> 00:09:59,493 Speaker 5: But they were important, important wickets, I think, very important 173 00:09:59,533 --> 00:10:00,493 Speaker 5: in terms of the game. 174 00:10:00,853 --> 00:10:03,693 Speaker 2: Oh well, to get those players out, you know, they 175 00:10:04,253 --> 00:10:07,013 Speaker 2: can be a real danger. And then later to get 176 00:10:07,333 --> 00:10:11,733 Speaker 2: Brievius out. He's been one of the leading scorers well 177 00:10:11,773 --> 00:10:14,173 Speaker 2: in terms of strike great rather than runs scored. But 178 00:10:14,413 --> 00:10:16,573 Speaker 2: you know, you look look at that, I mean Alan 179 00:10:16,813 --> 00:10:20,853 Speaker 2: Allen's innings often he gets to fifty or sixty and 180 00:10:21,973 --> 00:10:25,853 Speaker 2: is inclined to get out. Isn't he you know, trying 181 00:10:25,853 --> 00:10:30,453 Speaker 2: to increase the tempo. But I mean his innings thirty 182 00:10:30,493 --> 00:10:35,653 Speaker 2: three balls. I mean, as as Mitchell Senter said after 183 00:10:35,653 --> 00:10:36,053 Speaker 2: the game. 184 00:10:35,933 --> 00:10:36,773 Speaker 4: It's not bad, is it. 185 00:10:39,613 --> 00:10:44,773 Speaker 6: Mitchell sat Is He is known for the for understatement. 186 00:10:46,133 --> 00:10:48,453 Speaker 6: But on that point, I think we did touch on 187 00:10:48,493 --> 00:10:53,253 Speaker 6: it in an earlier podcast. Alan is maturing and seems 188 00:10:53,253 --> 00:10:58,413 Speaker 6: to be coming into understanding his game better. He showed 189 00:10:58,453 --> 00:11:02,773 Speaker 6: some patience when there were in other conditions. But I 190 00:11:02,813 --> 00:11:07,493 Speaker 6: also note that in recently come out of the Big Bash, 191 00:11:07,653 --> 00:11:11,653 Speaker 6: he yeah, he got hundreds there and big scores. So 192 00:11:11,773 --> 00:11:14,213 Speaker 6: he's working his game out and needs to go on 193 00:11:14,293 --> 00:11:17,253 Speaker 6: and is doing it. But that was some innings. I mean, 194 00:11:17,373 --> 00:11:20,853 Speaker 6: my lord, I mean, I mean, I've had messages from 195 00:11:20,853 --> 00:11:25,453 Speaker 6: the Netherlands which says of something about the interest in 196 00:11:25,493 --> 00:11:29,133 Speaker 6: the in the tournament as well, I might add, and 197 00:11:29,173 --> 00:11:32,933 Speaker 6: that that in itself and it says here admitting black 198 00:11:32,973 --> 00:11:41,173 Speaker 6: in the Finava soil. Again, yeah, but it says something 199 00:11:41,213 --> 00:11:44,453 Speaker 6: about it because people are watching this and as I say, 200 00:11:44,493 --> 00:11:47,173 Speaker 6: I'm getting, you know, getting messages quite a few out 201 00:11:47,173 --> 00:11:50,213 Speaker 6: of the Netherlands. That says something about this twenty twenty 202 00:11:50,213 --> 00:11:52,253 Speaker 6: which frankly I thought would be a bit of a wallfest, 203 00:11:52,293 --> 00:11:53,693 Speaker 6: which is hardly what it's been. 204 00:11:54,653 --> 00:11:57,933 Speaker 3: Well, I would say Fanell and remember the name. 205 00:11:58,813 --> 00:12:03,733 Speaker 5: Yes, I'm going to have to review my lack of 206 00:12:03,773 --> 00:12:08,253 Speaker 5: trust in people. No surname, And I also wonder what 207 00:12:08,453 --> 00:12:10,573 Speaker 5: New Zealand's net run raisers at the moment. 208 00:12:10,893 --> 00:12:13,493 Speaker 3: But anyway, Look, it was a special innings, wasn't it. 209 00:12:15,293 --> 00:12:20,093 Speaker 5: Very clean, hitting, great power and I think good options 210 00:12:20,133 --> 00:12:27,493 Speaker 5: as well. Look, I thought anything up outside off it 211 00:12:27,693 --> 00:12:28,253 Speaker 5: just goes. 212 00:12:29,253 --> 00:12:30,933 Speaker 3: I mean he hits straight. 213 00:12:31,333 --> 00:12:34,973 Speaker 5: In fact, he and Cipher both hit straight very well 214 00:12:35,013 --> 00:12:39,493 Speaker 5: and powerfully, so it forces the bowlers you've either got 215 00:12:39,493 --> 00:12:41,653 Speaker 5: a bowl very wide of off stump but not a wide, 216 00:12:42,733 --> 00:12:46,453 Speaker 5: or you've got to pull your length back. And I 217 00:12:46,533 --> 00:12:49,493 Speaker 5: thought they handled the short stuff also quite well, apart 218 00:12:49,493 --> 00:12:52,413 Speaker 5: from Cipher's one where there was a missed catch fairly 219 00:12:52,453 --> 00:12:58,973 Speaker 5: early on, wasn't there But you know, I just feel 220 00:12:59,293 --> 00:13:04,013 Speaker 5: that he played very very well. Also Maharaj. He got 221 00:13:04,053 --> 00:13:06,773 Speaker 5: back to Maharaj and played him virtually from the back 222 00:13:06,773 --> 00:13:10,173 Speaker 5: foot and he got leg side of it and he 223 00:13:11,053 --> 00:13:13,173 Speaker 5: tucked it or flicked it on the on side for 224 00:13:13,253 --> 00:13:16,253 Speaker 5: two or four. If he ragged it down a little bit, 225 00:13:16,293 --> 00:13:19,013 Speaker 5: it went to cow corner. If he pitched it up 226 00:13:19,973 --> 00:13:22,573 Speaker 5: and he saw the lynx and it was full enough, he. 227 00:13:22,613 --> 00:13:24,653 Speaker 3: Just bashed him straight over the bowler's head. 228 00:13:24,933 --> 00:13:30,133 Speaker 5: So he had all that, all those components very very 229 00:13:30,293 --> 00:13:33,213 Speaker 5: much under control. I thought, Yeah, there was a bit 230 00:13:33,253 --> 00:13:35,893 Speaker 5: of luck in the first three overs, I think for 231 00:13:36,853 --> 00:13:39,813 Speaker 5: both the bats and just a tad you know, fortune 232 00:13:39,853 --> 00:13:42,133 Speaker 5: sat on their shoulders a bit. There were some outside 233 00:13:42,173 --> 00:13:45,293 Speaker 5: middles that were close to fieldsmen or went over and 234 00:13:45,813 --> 00:13:48,933 Speaker 5: went to boundary. But once they got going, it was 235 00:13:49,173 --> 00:13:51,293 Speaker 5: very hard to bowl to them, I think, you know. 236 00:13:53,133 --> 00:13:56,093 Speaker 5: And so what did they get to one hundred and 237 00:13:56,093 --> 00:13:57,813 Speaker 5: seventeen for one so quickly? 238 00:13:57,933 --> 00:13:58,133 Speaker 4: Yeah? 239 00:13:58,653 --> 00:14:02,213 Speaker 2: Yeah, And we tend to forget that. Seifert played an 240 00:14:02,253 --> 00:14:05,093 Speaker 2: important role. In fact, he started it all often. He 241 00:14:05,653 --> 00:14:08,133 Speaker 2: took a major amount of the strike and started the 242 00:14:08,373 --> 00:14:11,453 Speaker 2: thing early. Allen had to wait. He went or a 243 00:14:11,493 --> 00:14:16,493 Speaker 2: good five balls without getting many runs, which was quite unbelievable. 244 00:14:16,533 --> 00:14:20,733 Speaker 2: But interesting about the spin they opted for just one 245 00:14:20,733 --> 00:14:25,973 Speaker 2: spin bowl of Maharaj. New Zealand went spin option, pretty much, 246 00:14:26,013 --> 00:14:29,653 Speaker 2: didn't they with McConkie. Okay, only the. 247 00:14:29,573 --> 00:14:36,453 Speaker 4: One over, but senter Revendra nine off two. 248 00:14:37,933 --> 00:14:43,493 Speaker 2: You know that that's nine overs of spin and eight 249 00:14:43,533 --> 00:14:45,773 Speaker 2: overs of seam and three overs of what Niche balls. 250 00:14:47,453 --> 00:14:50,573 Speaker 5: I think Revendra is actually becoming quite a smart left 251 00:14:50,693 --> 00:14:53,013 Speaker 5: armor when someone's attacking him. 252 00:14:53,533 --> 00:14:56,133 Speaker 3: I think what he's doing is and I think. 253 00:14:55,933 --> 00:15:01,133 Speaker 5: We saw just little incidences that we also saw in 254 00:15:01,173 --> 00:15:03,453 Speaker 5: Sri Lanka. And of course it was turning a lot 255 00:15:03,493 --> 00:15:06,893 Speaker 5: more over there. But any batsman that goes too early 256 00:15:06,973 --> 00:15:10,533 Speaker 5: before he's released the ball, he can pull it a 257 00:15:10,573 --> 00:15:13,733 Speaker 5: little bit wider and he drags the length just a 258 00:15:13,773 --> 00:15:16,813 Speaker 5: little shorter as well. Okay, it may not have got 259 00:15:16,853 --> 00:15:21,293 Speaker 5: wickets in terms of stumping here because it didn't turn 260 00:15:21,413 --> 00:15:24,453 Speaker 5: so much, but you know he was able. 261 00:15:24,573 --> 00:15:26,373 Speaker 3: They had to then adjust the stroke. 262 00:15:26,493 --> 00:15:30,613 Speaker 5: But he's very aware and he you're almost bowling like 263 00:15:30,653 --> 00:15:33,933 Speaker 5: a batsman. If you're coming at me, I will do this, 264 00:15:34,693 --> 00:15:38,973 Speaker 5: and I think he notices that, and that's been quite 265 00:15:38,973 --> 00:15:42,053 Speaker 5: a change in his bowling. I think because people are 266 00:15:42,093 --> 00:15:45,333 Speaker 5: after him, there were catches dropped off him, weren't there. 267 00:15:45,573 --> 00:15:48,973 Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's something also to mention guys. Revenger 268 00:15:49,053 --> 00:15:52,133 Speaker 5: dropping a catch off Markram and the off the Ferguson 269 00:15:52,173 --> 00:15:55,173 Speaker 5: over which I thought was quite a comfortable catch. He 270 00:15:55,253 --> 00:15:59,573 Speaker 5: misjudged it at midwicket and then the catch off Ravendra 271 00:15:59,733 --> 00:16:06,053 Speaker 5: himself sort of a running outfield catch which needed judgment 272 00:16:06,573 --> 00:16:08,893 Speaker 5: and he got there easily, in fact didn't get a 273 00:16:08,893 --> 00:16:09,373 Speaker 5: hand to it. 274 00:16:09,413 --> 00:16:10,533 Speaker 3: It hit him on the chest. 275 00:16:11,573 --> 00:16:14,933 Speaker 5: And I just wonder whether New Zealand are doing the 276 00:16:14,973 --> 00:16:19,173 Speaker 5: catching under lights, because I noticed I don't know whether 277 00:16:19,173 --> 00:16:23,653 Speaker 5: you guys did. When ferguson Court was at the pop 278 00:16:23,893 --> 00:16:28,053 Speaker 5: first wicket he said to Sody as Sody brought something 279 00:16:28,053 --> 00:16:31,653 Speaker 5: on and left, those lights were in my eyes. 280 00:16:31,693 --> 00:16:33,373 Speaker 3: It wasn't as easy as it looked. 281 00:16:34,213 --> 00:16:39,213 Speaker 5: And I just wonder whether New Zealand hadn't done the 282 00:16:39,253 --> 00:16:41,213 Speaker 5: catching that you need to do. 283 00:16:41,293 --> 00:16:44,573 Speaker 3: And I hope that they do that before the next game. 284 00:16:45,533 --> 00:16:47,533 Speaker 2: Yes, well that's going to be in ama Aband and 285 00:16:47,573 --> 00:16:49,813 Speaker 2: of course there's plenty of lights there and there'll be 286 00:16:49,813 --> 00:16:53,053 Speaker 2: a full house. At the moment, we don't know who 287 00:16:53,173 --> 00:16:54,893 Speaker 2: they're going to be playing, but it's going to be 288 00:16:55,293 --> 00:16:56,133 Speaker 2: an interesting test. 289 00:16:56,213 --> 00:17:00,973 Speaker 6: Most I was simply saying that I think what we're 290 00:17:01,013 --> 00:17:04,693 Speaker 6: seeing is is a lot of our players evolving and 291 00:17:04,733 --> 00:17:07,893 Speaker 6: developing with experience, and we're talking to Revenge of becoming 292 00:17:07,933 --> 00:17:12,613 Speaker 6: a very useful left arm, the left arm spinner. As 293 00:17:12,773 --> 00:17:16,493 Speaker 6: Jerry was just discussing the way I fell out and 294 00:17:16,653 --> 00:17:19,533 Speaker 6: played Maharage. That's the sort of stuff that I mean. 295 00:17:19,733 --> 00:17:21,813 Speaker 6: Jerry spent five minutes saying what I said in about 296 00:17:21,853 --> 00:17:24,133 Speaker 6: one but that's what we're talking about. 297 00:17:27,573 --> 00:17:29,413 Speaker 3: I like to make my comments clear. 298 00:17:30,093 --> 00:17:33,973 Speaker 6: Yes, exactly quite right. That's that to me is a maturing, 299 00:17:34,973 --> 00:17:37,893 Speaker 6: maturing player who's getting to understand their games. And I've 300 00:17:37,933 --> 00:17:42,133 Speaker 6: seen that's going across the broad We're also getting contributions 301 00:17:42,293 --> 00:17:46,413 Speaker 6: across from from pretty much the entire team, and that's 302 00:17:46,413 --> 00:17:51,053 Speaker 6: got to be comfortable of great encouragement to us supporters 303 00:17:51,093 --> 00:17:53,973 Speaker 6: of the Zealand cricket team going going into the next 304 00:17:53,973 --> 00:17:55,373 Speaker 6: game looking forward to it. 305 00:17:56,053 --> 00:17:59,533 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I think they've achieved more than 306 00:17:59,693 --> 00:18:00,973 Speaker 2: many of us might have expected. 307 00:18:01,013 --> 00:18:03,013 Speaker 4: I expected the top four. 308 00:18:03,773 --> 00:18:06,413 Speaker 2: I got to say, like you, I had to screw 309 00:18:06,493 --> 00:18:10,893 Speaker 2: up my script most because I was expecting South Africa, 310 00:18:10,933 --> 00:18:14,013 Speaker 2: who were many people's favorites and who had played with 311 00:18:14,093 --> 00:18:17,213 Speaker 2: the sort of efficiency and consistency that you expect from 312 00:18:17,493 --> 00:18:21,973 Speaker 2: a strong side. I expected them to win. I didn't 313 00:18:22,013 --> 00:18:26,413 Speaker 2: expect and I won't be expecting the New Zealand cricket 314 00:18:26,453 --> 00:18:28,973 Speaker 2: board to find the players for failing if they don't 315 00:18:29,093 --> 00:18:32,373 Speaker 2: win the final, the way Pakistan has done for their 316 00:18:32,413 --> 00:18:37,373 Speaker 2: players for an underwhelming T twenty World Cup campaign. The 317 00:18:37,413 --> 00:18:42,173 Speaker 2: players have been fined equivalent of US eighteen thousand it's 318 00:18:42,173 --> 00:18:45,013 Speaker 2: about thirty thousand New Zealand for missing out on the 319 00:18:45,053 --> 00:18:46,973 Speaker 2: semi finals of the event. 320 00:18:48,653 --> 00:18:49,013 Speaker 6: I mean, I. 321 00:18:50,893 --> 00:18:54,293 Speaker 2: Just find that incomprehensible that any cricket board could do 322 00:18:54,373 --> 00:18:55,173 Speaker 2: that to their players. 323 00:18:55,173 --> 00:18:56,653 Speaker 4: But I guess that's Pakistan. 324 00:18:56,733 --> 00:19:00,533 Speaker 5: Isn't it fine by the board or the government who 325 00:19:00,573 --> 00:19:04,613 Speaker 5: knows they're both. The second thing I guess I would 326 00:19:04,653 --> 00:19:07,813 Speaker 5: say about that hasn't been backdated to other sides that 327 00:19:07,853 --> 00:19:11,973 Speaker 5: have lost. The third thing I might think about was 328 00:19:11,973 --> 00:19:14,413 Speaker 5: what about that guy Fahan who's got three hundred and 329 00:19:14,453 --> 00:19:17,733 Speaker 5: eighty three runs in an average of about eighty You're 330 00:19:17,733 --> 00:19:18,453 Speaker 5: going to find him? 331 00:19:18,693 --> 00:19:21,013 Speaker 3: Are they going to find Hessen as well? The coach? 332 00:19:22,813 --> 00:19:26,133 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's disappointment when teams don't do as well as 333 00:19:26,173 --> 00:19:28,933 Speaker 5: you would like, but finding them says we're going to 334 00:19:28,973 --> 00:19:34,213 Speaker 5: attach your money value to that disappointment, and obviously the 335 00:19:34,213 --> 00:19:36,773 Speaker 5: PCB is short of cash. 336 00:19:36,813 --> 00:19:39,573 Speaker 6: I have great sympathy for the Pakistani players, not only 337 00:19:39,693 --> 00:19:43,973 Speaker 6: getting walloped by their own people. They're getting expressly excluded 338 00:19:43,973 --> 00:19:50,293 Speaker 6: from other competitions. I mean that's you know, it's not 339 00:19:50,373 --> 00:19:53,533 Speaker 6: their fault. I think that. Yeah, Okay, they didn't get him, 340 00:19:53,573 --> 00:19:55,013 Speaker 6: but there were quite a few other teams that didn't 341 00:19:55,013 --> 00:19:56,933 Speaker 6: get in the semi finals either. I just have a 342 00:19:56,933 --> 00:20:00,493 Speaker 6: great for them getting that wap from every direction. 343 00:20:00,893 --> 00:20:03,573 Speaker 4: Well, there's a heck of an element of good luck, 344 00:20:03,653 --> 00:20:04,053 Speaker 4: isn't there. 345 00:20:04,093 --> 00:20:08,293 Speaker 3: And yeah, and they had the rain, Yeah. 346 00:20:07,453 --> 00:20:07,973 Speaker 4: That's right. 347 00:20:08,133 --> 00:20:10,933 Speaker 2: And and even though they scored well, they're up against 348 00:20:10,973 --> 00:20:14,653 Speaker 2: a run rate pressure in the last game against Sri Lanka, 349 00:20:14,853 --> 00:20:18,413 Speaker 2: which brings us to an interesting point raised by Tim Wigmore, 350 00:20:18,453 --> 00:20:21,853 Speaker 2: the man who wrote the history of Test cricket, wrote 351 00:20:21,853 --> 00:20:24,733 Speaker 2: an article in The Telegraph talking about this World t 352 00:20:24,733 --> 00:20:28,413 Speaker 2: twenty saying it has no integrity and India is to blame. 353 00:20:28,653 --> 00:20:33,613 Speaker 2: Cricket is the only sport to precede knockout stages as 354 00:20:33,853 --> 00:20:39,213 Speaker 2: they look to try and promote their own performance. Do 355 00:20:39,293 --> 00:20:45,693 Speaker 2: you imagine that these tournaments are lacking in integrity? As 356 00:20:45,733 --> 00:20:50,373 Speaker 2: he says that tournaments are built on integrity, competitiveness, consistency 357 00:20:50,413 --> 00:20:52,493 Speaker 2: in fairness, and yet you know there are so many 358 00:20:52,573 --> 00:20:55,573 Speaker 2: rules that make it a lot more difficult for sides 359 00:20:55,613 --> 00:20:58,053 Speaker 2: to play. When you think back to how they decided 360 00:20:58,093 --> 00:20:59,213 Speaker 2: the Super eight competition. 361 00:21:00,053 --> 00:21:04,453 Speaker 6: Well, I think I think the idea and the word 362 00:21:04,533 --> 00:21:09,893 Speaker 6: integrity is probably best considered to be aspiration as opposed 363 00:21:09,973 --> 00:21:14,933 Speaker 6: to an obligation. And I think anyone who's been around 364 00:21:15,213 --> 00:21:19,973 Speaker 6: and has observed cricket and possibly other sports should be 365 00:21:20,013 --> 00:21:24,173 Speaker 6: well aware the fact that perhaps things are not as 366 00:21:24,373 --> 00:21:31,533 Speaker 6: we might like, but they what's the word, seem to 367 00:21:31,533 --> 00:21:37,173 Speaker 6: be some teams seem to get better luck when the 368 00:21:37,213 --> 00:21:41,573 Speaker 6: cards are drawn, so to speak, or whatever. And that's 369 00:21:41,653 --> 00:21:43,333 Speaker 6: just the way it's been and I don't think that's 370 00:21:43,373 --> 00:21:47,253 Speaker 6: going to change anytime soon, would be my observation. Cynical perhaps, 371 00:21:47,933 --> 00:21:49,053 Speaker 6: but that's the way it is. 372 00:21:49,133 --> 00:21:53,293 Speaker 3: And yeah, no, that's not cynical. It's just a fact. 373 00:21:53,453 --> 00:21:57,013 Speaker 5: Now. I think we've got to acknowledge it that India 374 00:21:57,053 --> 00:22:02,853 Speaker 5: have been favored once again. You know, India have distinct advantages. 375 00:22:02,853 --> 00:22:04,773 Speaker 5: They've had them in the past. You'd look at the 376 00:22:04,813 --> 00:22:08,453 Speaker 5: guy on a situation and Lasty twenty World Cup. They 377 00:22:08,533 --> 00:22:10,333 Speaker 5: knew where they were going to play their semi they 378 00:22:10,413 --> 00:22:13,573 Speaker 5: weren't weren't going to do that otherwise, so they could 379 00:22:13,613 --> 00:22:17,093 Speaker 5: therefore select players and their squad to suit the conditions there. 380 00:22:17,893 --> 00:22:20,853 Speaker 5: And then don't forget the Champion's trophy where they went 381 00:22:20,893 --> 00:22:24,213 Speaker 5: down to Dubai and they stayed there the entire time 382 00:22:24,213 --> 00:22:27,653 Speaker 5: while everybody else traveled for hours. They could practice at 383 00:22:27,653 --> 00:22:31,773 Speaker 5: the same ground continually, a nice gentle product bar ride 384 00:22:31,813 --> 00:22:34,893 Speaker 5: back to the hotel each day. They knew the venue 385 00:22:34,933 --> 00:22:37,893 Speaker 5: will they knew the lights, they knew the jew factor, 386 00:22:37,973 --> 00:22:39,933 Speaker 5: they knew the angles, they knew the ends. 387 00:22:39,973 --> 00:22:43,293 Speaker 3: For bowlers, they were all set up in their changing room. 388 00:22:43,813 --> 00:22:47,493 Speaker 5: I mean, for heaven's sake, they always play the last game, 389 00:22:48,373 --> 00:22:52,693 Speaker 5: you know, in the group stages, just in case, so 390 00:22:52,813 --> 00:22:55,973 Speaker 5: that they know exactly how many overs they have to 391 00:22:56,013 --> 00:22:59,013 Speaker 5: get the runs in, or how many wickets they have 392 00:22:59,133 --> 00:23:00,773 Speaker 5: to take, or those sorts of things. 393 00:23:01,093 --> 00:23:01,813 Speaker 3: And that's been. 394 00:23:01,853 --> 00:23:04,493 Speaker 5: Five out of the last, so the guy points out 395 00:23:04,533 --> 00:23:07,413 Speaker 5: in his little article, five of the last six World 396 00:23:07,453 --> 00:23:13,093 Speaker 5: Cups they play the last group game. Yes, you don't 397 00:23:13,133 --> 00:23:16,893 Speaker 5: mind it being once, that's fair enough, but five out 398 00:23:16,893 --> 00:23:19,653 Speaker 5: of six is a bit more than what you would expect. 399 00:23:20,213 --> 00:23:23,333 Speaker 5: I don't like the preceding guys either. I don't like 400 00:23:23,413 --> 00:23:26,973 Speaker 5: that at all. Frankly, to have all the top teams 401 00:23:27,293 --> 00:23:33,613 Speaker 5: from the group stage straight into that group. That meant that, 402 00:23:34,293 --> 00:23:38,773 Speaker 5: you know, the West Indies defeat of England, for example, 403 00:23:38,853 --> 00:23:44,053 Speaker 5: England have got through West Indies, haven't. The West Indies 404 00:23:44,093 --> 00:23:47,653 Speaker 5: defeated England and smashed them really by thirty odd runs 405 00:23:47,693 --> 00:23:51,493 Speaker 5: and about half their wickets left, and yet they're out 406 00:23:51,493 --> 00:23:51,773 Speaker 5: of it. 407 00:23:52,693 --> 00:23:54,653 Speaker 3: You know someone was going to miss out. 408 00:23:55,253 --> 00:23:56,893 Speaker 5: I mean, you get to a point where the two 409 00:23:56,933 --> 00:23:59,573 Speaker 5: top sides are playing each other in the final eventually, 410 00:23:59,933 --> 00:24:03,133 Speaker 5: don't you. But if you put them all in the 411 00:24:03,173 --> 00:24:06,973 Speaker 5: same group, two of them drop out very early or earlier, 412 00:24:08,413 --> 00:24:11,773 Speaker 5: and spreading them between the two group getting. 413 00:24:11,453 --> 00:24:14,813 Speaker 2: To the super eight stage, teams are not getting rewarded 414 00:24:14,853 --> 00:24:16,973 Speaker 2: for what they've achieved in the round robin. You know, 415 00:24:17,053 --> 00:24:21,853 Speaker 2: if you win your competition, it should be not a given, 416 00:24:21,893 --> 00:24:23,813 Speaker 2: but it should be an easier path to the final 417 00:24:23,813 --> 00:24:28,013 Speaker 2: and not have to come up against sides that you've 418 00:24:28,093 --> 00:24:33,693 Speaker 2: beaten previously. And I just find it, you know, very 419 00:24:34,093 --> 00:24:38,933 Speaker 2: very difficult to accept that that's a world tournament. I mean, 420 00:24:38,973 --> 00:24:40,533 Speaker 2: I suppose we can all sit back and say, well, 421 00:24:40,573 --> 00:24:43,893 Speaker 2: it's only T twenty, it's not the it's not the 422 00:24:43,893 --> 00:24:47,293 Speaker 2: World Test Championship, where nothing dodgy was done there in 423 00:24:47,293 --> 00:24:50,213 Speaker 2: any of the games, was there twenty nineteen. 424 00:24:50,253 --> 00:24:52,973 Speaker 4: I'll get over that, Brian, for goodness sake. 425 00:24:53,373 --> 00:24:54,173 Speaker 3: Yes, get over it. 426 00:24:54,173 --> 00:24:58,173 Speaker 6: Brian, No, no, no, no, I'm sorry. You can't get 427 00:24:58,213 --> 00:24:58,533 Speaker 6: over that. 428 00:24:58,693 --> 00:25:03,253 Speaker 2: And we never Gee, you and I two weeks in 429 00:25:03,253 --> 00:25:05,493 Speaker 2: a have agreed on something. 430 00:25:07,253 --> 00:25:08,173 Speaker 6: We're going to stop this. 431 00:25:09,693 --> 00:25:15,253 Speaker 3: I'm feeling quite quite alone here at the moment. I 432 00:25:15,253 --> 00:25:16,413 Speaker 3: don't agree with either of you. 433 00:25:16,693 --> 00:25:21,373 Speaker 5: It's right, but it's not the way you play tournaments, 434 00:25:21,493 --> 00:25:23,933 Speaker 5: is it. 435 00:25:24,893 --> 00:25:29,933 Speaker 3: And that's the point that is making that he's you 436 00:25:30,053 --> 00:25:34,533 Speaker 3: win your group. There's an advantage two of the top sides. 437 00:25:34,573 --> 00:25:38,093 Speaker 5: When there are four groups in the group phase, two 438 00:25:38,133 --> 00:25:40,253 Speaker 5: of them going to one one lot, two of them 439 00:25:40,293 --> 00:25:42,493 Speaker 5: go to the other, not all four together. 440 00:25:42,613 --> 00:25:43,933 Speaker 3: What it is about is cash. 441 00:25:44,373 --> 00:25:50,133 Speaker 5: They want those broadcasters want basically money from Biggish games 442 00:25:50,173 --> 00:25:54,413 Speaker 5: because they're all the leading sides. But it knocks out 443 00:25:54,533 --> 00:25:58,693 Speaker 5: two of them a bit early because only two can 444 00:25:58,733 --> 00:26:00,693 Speaker 5: go through to the semi final phase. 445 00:26:02,013 --> 00:26:04,693 Speaker 6: Yeah, unfortunately, Jury, I mean, you're right, it is all 446 00:26:04,733 --> 00:26:08,533 Speaker 6: about cash, and if it is all about cash, you 447 00:26:08,533 --> 00:26:12,413 Speaker 6: can be misassured that it isn't probably arranged in the 448 00:26:12,493 --> 00:26:15,573 Speaker 6: in the logical and fair manner that we might all 449 00:26:15,973 --> 00:26:19,053 Speaker 6: like so, but as we I think we all know 450 00:26:19,133 --> 00:26:23,173 Speaker 6: we've acknowledged that's not going to change anytime soon. Sadly, No, 451 00:26:23,933 --> 00:26:28,173 Speaker 6: but that's that's it, and we can yeah, I've got 452 00:26:28,173 --> 00:26:30,253 Speaker 6: well checked. Yeah, nothing else. 453 00:26:30,933 --> 00:26:35,413 Speaker 2: No, it changes of course the situation. One set of 454 00:26:35,413 --> 00:26:38,613 Speaker 2: the competition has played in round robin and then while 455 00:26:38,653 --> 00:26:41,373 Speaker 2: you get it round robin for the Super Eights, you 456 00:26:41,413 --> 00:26:43,293 Speaker 2: do get at least a one off chance. And New 457 00:26:43,413 --> 00:26:45,813 Speaker 2: Zealand has proven that, haven't they That they would have 458 00:26:45,853 --> 00:26:51,093 Speaker 2: probably been regarded as fourth team. Yet they're unto the final. 459 00:26:51,213 --> 00:26:55,093 Speaker 2: So you know, but Tim week more, we might get 460 00:26:55,173 --> 00:26:57,773 Speaker 2: him on again. He's interesting man to talk to and 461 00:26:57,813 --> 00:27:04,893 Speaker 2: he's he's certainly got some very very harsh comments about 462 00:27:04,933 --> 00:27:06,773 Speaker 2: the running of the game. He's taken a bit of stick. 463 00:27:06,773 --> 00:27:09,213 Speaker 2: Of course, everybody's got an and said, oh, you're just 464 00:27:09,253 --> 00:27:12,773 Speaker 2: whining because England doesn't control the game anymore, et cetera, 465 00:27:12,813 --> 00:27:15,613 Speaker 2: et cetera. But you know that shouldn't be the background 466 00:27:15,693 --> 00:27:18,973 Speaker 2: for anybody's opinion on anything. The fact that the game 467 00:27:19,093 --> 00:27:22,093 Speaker 2: is now run by the Indian Cricket Board, and that's 468 00:27:22,133 --> 00:27:25,533 Speaker 2: what it says ICC is the Indian Credit Council, isn't 469 00:27:25,573 --> 00:27:27,333 Speaker 2: it will get. 470 00:27:28,813 --> 00:27:31,733 Speaker 6: The point is though, Brian, if you read it dispassionately, 471 00:27:32,413 --> 00:27:34,653 Speaker 6: there's nothing there that you can say that I disagree with. 472 00:27:35,093 --> 00:27:37,773 Speaker 6: And he's the point of whether it will change it, it 473 00:27:37,813 --> 00:27:40,493 Speaker 6: doesn't matter, but it's we're having the conversation about it, 474 00:27:40,533 --> 00:27:42,853 Speaker 6: and that's that's no bad thing. So yeah, I would 475 00:27:42,893 --> 00:27:45,213 Speaker 6: say absolutely do it, and I'm not going to criticize. 476 00:27:45,213 --> 00:27:47,413 Speaker 6: I'm going to but I can't fault them. 477 00:27:48,013 --> 00:27:51,293 Speaker 3: Yeah, but if I was a West Indies player, I'd 478 00:27:51,333 --> 00:27:54,573 Speaker 3: be hacked off. Actually absolutely. 479 00:27:55,493 --> 00:27:58,013 Speaker 5: Our team played well in the group phase. We should 480 00:27:58,053 --> 00:28:02,053 Speaker 5: have had either Pakistan, Tri Lanka or England on his 481 00:28:02,133 --> 00:28:05,213 Speaker 5: inn two of them. I should have been playing against 482 00:28:05,893 --> 00:28:11,533 Speaker 5: those teams and not India and South Africa. Yes, they've 483 00:28:12,093 --> 00:28:15,853 Speaker 5: they've been forced prematurely as far as I can see, 484 00:28:16,453 --> 00:28:17,573 Speaker 5: to leave the tournament. 485 00:28:18,293 --> 00:28:18,493 Speaker 6: Yep. 486 00:28:18,613 --> 00:28:20,853 Speaker 2: And they played a good brand of cricket as well too, 487 00:28:21,173 --> 00:28:23,733 Speaker 2: with hit Meyer leading away with the bat and some 488 00:28:23,773 --> 00:28:27,053 Speaker 2: of their bottles. Yeah job, Yeah, Well, we'll waiting to 489 00:28:27,093 --> 00:28:29,773 Speaker 2: see the outcome of that. Next week we'll review the 490 00:28:29,773 --> 00:28:32,933 Speaker 2: final for the World T twenty and we might be 491 00:28:32,973 --> 00:28:37,453 Speaker 2: celebrating again with a bottle of champagne for the black Caps. 492 00:28:37,493 --> 00:28:41,173 Speaker 1: Brian Waddell Jeremy Coney on the front foot. 493 00:28:41,413 --> 00:28:44,133 Speaker 2: Have the White Ferns been well served by the tour 494 00:28:44,613 --> 00:28:47,213 Speaker 2: by Zimbabwe to New Zealand. Well, it's hard to make 495 00:28:47,253 --> 00:28:51,053 Speaker 2: a judgment considering the disparity in rankings, but they've achieved 496 00:28:51,093 --> 00:28:54,893 Speaker 2: results that have been required and without the top order 497 00:28:54,933 --> 00:28:56,453 Speaker 2: batting get too many opportunities. 498 00:28:56,493 --> 00:28:59,813 Speaker 4: Only three people have batted. One thing was a success though. 499 00:28:59,853 --> 00:29:02,453 Speaker 2: Coach Ben Sawer points to the use of Izy Gaze 500 00:29:02,653 --> 00:29:04,893 Speaker 2: as an opener in place of Susie Bates. 501 00:29:05,173 --> 00:29:05,373 Speaker 4: Yeah. 502 00:29:05,453 --> 00:29:08,973 Speaker 7: Look, it's something we've spoken about a lot into this 503 00:29:09,053 --> 00:29:10,973 Speaker 7: and I think you saw that during Super Smash that 504 00:29:11,733 --> 00:29:13,773 Speaker 7: it is a shift that we're going to make. We've 505 00:29:13,813 --> 00:29:16,933 Speaker 7: had that discussion with Susie as well. So easy will 506 00:29:16,933 --> 00:29:19,453 Speaker 7: go to the top of the order and hopefully she's 507 00:29:19,453 --> 00:29:21,533 Speaker 7: there for the World Cup. There's a lot of water 508 00:29:21,573 --> 00:29:23,093 Speaker 7: to go under the bridge for that, but that's a 509 00:29:23,173 --> 00:29:25,333 Speaker 7: role that she's going to potentially play for us, and 510 00:29:25,373 --> 00:29:27,133 Speaker 7: I think you can see that she's got the intent 511 00:29:27,213 --> 00:29:31,173 Speaker 7: that you know, we feel that, especially in England, the 512 00:29:31,173 --> 00:29:33,253 Speaker 7: schools are going to be really high and we need 513 00:29:33,253 --> 00:29:35,053 Speaker 7: someone to go out there and do that for us. 514 00:29:35,933 --> 00:29:37,453 Speaker 7: SUSI will play a role for us in the middle 515 00:29:37,533 --> 00:29:39,853 Speaker 7: order and we feel that that strengthens that up as well. 516 00:29:39,933 --> 00:29:42,613 Speaker 7: So yeah, I think we've got the best of both worlds. 517 00:29:42,933 --> 00:29:45,173 Speaker 7: Bit of experience, I guess later on in the innings, 518 00:29:45,173 --> 00:29:47,853 Speaker 7: but with easy gaze, just that real power and intent 519 00:29:47,933 --> 00:29:49,773 Speaker 7: that she brings, I think something that we're going to 520 00:29:49,813 --> 00:29:50,493 Speaker 7: need in the UK. 521 00:29:50,933 --> 00:29:53,173 Speaker 4: And how to Sawyer rate the captaincy of merely ker 522 00:29:53,253 --> 00:29:54,813 Speaker 4: in her first official out thing. 523 00:29:55,093 --> 00:29:57,933 Speaker 7: This series is probably about giving people a few opportunities 524 00:29:57,933 --> 00:29:59,813 Speaker 7: and I think she did that really really well. She 525 00:29:59,853 --> 00:30:03,133 Speaker 7: managed the Bowl as well. Yeah, the challenge will be 526 00:30:03,213 --> 00:30:05,813 Speaker 7: for her when we come up against those I guess 527 00:30:06,013 --> 00:30:08,573 Speaker 7: higher ranked teams that when the pressure comes on, But 528 00:30:08,653 --> 00:30:11,373 Speaker 7: I'm sure she'll do with it. She's she's an amazing 529 00:30:11,413 --> 00:30:13,933 Speaker 7: thinker of the game and her on field tactics I 530 00:30:13,933 --> 00:30:16,453 Speaker 7: think are spot on. So yeah, it's not a concern 531 00:30:16,493 --> 00:30:17,853 Speaker 7: for me at all how she's going to go with 532 00:30:17,893 --> 00:30:18,773 Speaker 7: the captaincy on the field. 533 00:30:19,733 --> 00:30:22,453 Speaker 2: It's pretty hard to make the judgment Jerry, in terms of, 534 00:30:22,533 --> 00:30:25,893 Speaker 2: as I said, the disparity and rankings, but the end 535 00:30:25,893 --> 00:30:29,333 Speaker 2: result is that it's doing something I suppose to widen 536 00:30:29,373 --> 00:30:32,413 Speaker 2: the international game. Although should it be done this way 537 00:30:32,493 --> 00:30:35,733 Speaker 2: or should there be another level of women's cricketers to 538 00:30:36,333 --> 00:30:36,973 Speaker 2: play against. 539 00:30:37,573 --> 00:30:40,293 Speaker 5: Look, I think it's good that there isn't at the moment, though, 540 00:30:40,373 --> 00:30:41,773 Speaker 5: is there. I mean, I don't know whether the New 541 00:30:41,853 --> 00:30:45,333 Speaker 5: Zealand could have played a sort of a mixed selection 542 00:30:45,493 --> 00:30:46,093 Speaker 5: against them. 543 00:30:46,773 --> 00:30:47,773 Speaker 3: Perhaps, don't know. 544 00:30:48,293 --> 00:30:50,253 Speaker 5: But it's a good run out, you know for the 545 00:30:50,373 --> 00:30:54,373 Speaker 5: for the New Zealanders, they might build some confidence from it. 546 00:30:56,293 --> 00:30:59,413 Speaker 5: They've won convincingly in the three games, and it may 547 00:30:59,613 --> 00:31:03,493 Speaker 5: it could be larger in the ODIs because the game 548 00:31:03,613 --> 00:31:04,133 Speaker 5: is longer. 549 00:31:04,413 --> 00:31:05,333 Speaker 3: We'll wait and see. 550 00:31:05,373 --> 00:31:09,093 Speaker 5: Of course, those those three matches to be played in Otago, 551 00:31:09,213 --> 00:31:15,013 Speaker 5: I guess and Dunedin. So look, I think gays will 552 00:31:15,053 --> 00:31:17,173 Speaker 5: probably feel a bit happier about it. 553 00:31:17,893 --> 00:31:19,173 Speaker 3: I still think there are things. 554 00:31:19,173 --> 00:31:21,653 Speaker 5: She closes her face and doesn't get the shoulder into 555 00:31:21,693 --> 00:31:24,493 Speaker 5: the drive, so if you don't do that, you can't 556 00:31:24,573 --> 00:31:28,453 Speaker 5: hit on the off side. She basically restricts the areas 557 00:31:28,453 --> 00:31:30,493 Speaker 5: she can score in and to the leg side and 558 00:31:30,573 --> 00:31:34,453 Speaker 5: backward a point, and that's sometimes with a reverse sweep. 559 00:31:35,293 --> 00:31:38,733 Speaker 5: So I think there are things that she can improve. 560 00:31:39,493 --> 00:31:41,573 Speaker 5: But if that's where they want her to bat, to 561 00:31:41,573 --> 00:31:44,213 Speaker 5: try and take advantage of a power play. 562 00:31:44,653 --> 00:31:46,693 Speaker 3: That's fair enough. We got the Tea twenty World Cup 563 00:31:46,733 --> 00:31:50,653 Speaker 3: coming up in England, haven't we for the women, so 564 00:31:52,293 --> 00:31:53,413 Speaker 3: let's see how it goes. 565 00:31:53,493 --> 00:31:57,933 Speaker 5: Amelia Kerr was a was you know, a class apart 566 00:31:58,213 --> 00:32:03,013 Speaker 5: to be honest from the other players. And I thought 567 00:32:03,093 --> 00:32:06,653 Speaker 5: Zimbabwe looked busy in the field. They died, they tried hard. 568 00:32:08,413 --> 00:32:11,533 Speaker 5: I like the look of their legs spinner as well. 569 00:32:12,693 --> 00:32:16,453 Speaker 5: Look and Suma, I think her name is Tsuma. I 570 00:32:16,493 --> 00:32:18,453 Speaker 5: thought she was the only one who challenged to meally 571 00:32:18,453 --> 00:32:21,453 Speaker 5: occur a little bit. New Zealand have got illing. She 572 00:32:21,573 --> 00:32:24,053 Speaker 5: needs to me just a little more pace to bring 573 00:32:24,213 --> 00:32:27,253 Speaker 5: swing into play. At the moment, it's just a wee 574 00:32:27,253 --> 00:32:33,493 Speaker 5: bit slow, I think, especially against the better players. Wickets 575 00:32:33,493 --> 00:32:36,333 Speaker 5: for all the New Zealanders, let's just let's just wait 576 00:32:36,373 --> 00:32:36,613 Speaker 5: and see. 577 00:32:36,613 --> 00:32:37,213 Speaker 3: It's a pretty there. 578 00:32:37,253 --> 00:32:40,973 Speaker 5: I mean, players like Maddie Green and you know, they 579 00:32:41,133 --> 00:32:43,773 Speaker 5: just didn't even get a back, did they. 580 00:32:43,933 --> 00:32:47,253 Speaker 8: So that's a bit of a shame. I guess I 581 00:32:47,293 --> 00:32:51,373 Speaker 8: think that it's had to take a lot from it. 582 00:32:52,133 --> 00:32:57,373 Speaker 8: The opportunity to bring some new players in is probably good, 583 00:32:57,933 --> 00:33:00,653 Speaker 8: give them experience, but I don't think we can. 584 00:33:00,573 --> 00:33:04,333 Speaker 6: Take a lot out of it at all. And it 585 00:33:04,373 --> 00:33:06,573 Speaker 6: would be nice to have other opposition, but I guess 586 00:33:06,613 --> 00:33:11,333 Speaker 6: we're obligated to to take these sides on a rotation basis. 587 00:33:12,173 --> 00:33:16,093 Speaker 6: And frankly it's important for Zimbabwe too to have exposure 588 00:33:16,373 --> 00:33:16,813 Speaker 6: to these. 589 00:33:17,013 --> 00:33:20,493 Speaker 5: I think I just think Zimbabwe got to just soak 590 00:33:20,613 --> 00:33:21,693 Speaker 5: up everything they. 591 00:33:21,533 --> 00:33:23,653 Speaker 3: Can exactly, don't they know. 592 00:33:23,773 --> 00:33:26,893 Speaker 5: That's got to get as much as they can get 593 00:33:26,893 --> 00:33:30,253 Speaker 5: from the pitchers, from their bowling, try to get access 594 00:33:30,293 --> 00:33:33,453 Speaker 5: to cur if you're if you're a leg spinner or 595 00:33:33,493 --> 00:33:37,293 Speaker 5: a batsman, sit down with them after the game, absorb 596 00:33:37,493 --> 00:33:42,213 Speaker 5: ideas how do they practice swinging the ball, how do 597 00:33:42,253 --> 00:33:46,053 Speaker 5: they get spinning it in accuracy? Just everything they can 598 00:33:46,093 --> 00:33:49,173 Speaker 5: get out of the New Zealand is to make use 599 00:33:49,213 --> 00:33:52,093 Speaker 5: of this opportunity to become better players. 600 00:33:52,133 --> 00:33:53,333 Speaker 3: The coaches as well. 601 00:33:53,933 --> 00:33:57,853 Speaker 5: The whole thing is a developmental tour as far as 602 00:33:57,933 --> 00:34:00,453 Speaker 5: they concerned, and I hope New Zealand it looks as 603 00:34:00,533 --> 00:34:04,093 Speaker 5: though they're awake to it and aware of it and 604 00:34:04,173 --> 00:34:07,213 Speaker 5: trying to help those players and that's how the tour 605 00:34:07,253 --> 00:34:08,333 Speaker 5: can become a value. 606 00:34:08,773 --> 00:34:08,973 Speaker 3: Yeah. 607 00:34:09,133 --> 00:34:11,213 Speaker 2: And the interesting thing too is that there are two 608 00:34:11,213 --> 00:34:15,773 Speaker 2: new players selected and both performed adequately. YEA night in 609 00:34:15,853 --> 00:34:18,133 Speaker 2: the medium pace picked up a couple of wickets. She's 610 00:34:18,173 --> 00:34:20,493 Speaker 2: got a bit to learn, but this is where she's 611 00:34:20,493 --> 00:34:22,253 Speaker 2: going to learn it quite clearly, because they don't get 612 00:34:22,253 --> 00:34:26,493 Speaker 2: the opportunities to learn to play cricket anywhere else. And 613 00:34:26,573 --> 00:34:29,373 Speaker 2: Nancy Patel I thought was an interesting off spinner. 614 00:34:29,933 --> 00:34:31,213 Speaker 4: I favored. 615 00:34:31,213 --> 00:34:36,813 Speaker 2: I must admit my Wellington player as a choice, Zara Jentley, 616 00:34:36,973 --> 00:34:40,133 Speaker 2: who's had a very good season. But Patel looked very 617 00:34:40,213 --> 00:34:44,013 Speaker 2: useful as an off spinner. Five wickets at an average 618 00:34:44,013 --> 00:34:47,973 Speaker 2: of seven, and she took her opportunities and that's encouraging. 619 00:34:48,053 --> 00:34:51,933 Speaker 2: So I guess it just widens the depth to some extent, 620 00:34:51,973 --> 00:34:54,333 Speaker 2: because there's not a lot of depth in the New 621 00:34:54,453 --> 00:34:56,853 Speaker 2: Zealand game to play in the national cricket most, is there. 622 00:34:57,653 --> 00:35:00,373 Speaker 6: No, I think you're right. That was the point. I 623 00:35:00,373 --> 00:35:02,893 Speaker 6: was trying to amaze that we've had an opportunity to 624 00:35:02,933 --> 00:35:05,173 Speaker 6: bring new players. And although I think it's a bit 625 00:35:05,253 --> 00:35:07,613 Speaker 6: mean of New Zealand cricket to stick the paws and 626 00:35:07,653 --> 00:35:11,053 Speaker 6: babweans down under needing down there, we're probably going to 627 00:35:11,093 --> 00:35:13,933 Speaker 6: be arctic conditions and that's a bit tough on them, 628 00:35:14,013 --> 00:35:17,133 Speaker 6: isn't it. But then again, you've got to work around 629 00:35:17,133 --> 00:35:21,053 Speaker 6: all the conditions and then that's the way it is. Yep. 630 00:35:21,373 --> 00:35:24,813 Speaker 5: Well we regularly did it to the West Indies and 631 00:35:24,853 --> 00:35:27,533 Speaker 5: they seem to lose the heaters as well and the 632 00:35:27,613 --> 00:35:31,853 Speaker 5: power and that that went off dramatically in their changing room. 633 00:35:32,333 --> 00:35:35,173 Speaker 4: Very hard to play with three sweaters on too, isn't it? 634 00:35:35,373 --> 00:35:36,133 Speaker 3: Yeah? 635 00:35:36,213 --> 00:35:39,653 Speaker 5: Yeahs And hard to bet with nine rubbers on the 636 00:35:39,693 --> 00:35:40,453 Speaker 5: bet as well. 637 00:35:41,013 --> 00:35:48,453 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Lloyd, yeah, hold exactly. That's a whole different 638 00:35:48,493 --> 00:35:53,173 Speaker 2: story altogether. Well, next week we'll celebrate hopefully. Yeah, you 639 00:35:53,173 --> 00:35:55,613 Speaker 2: can organize lunch at the Bolcott streets. 640 00:35:55,853 --> 00:35:57,733 Speaker 4: Oh no, you're not there anymore of them, they say you. 641 00:35:57,893 --> 00:36:02,413 Speaker 6: You no, no, but outstanding invitation Brian for you and 642 00:36:02,493 --> 00:36:04,813 Speaker 6: Jerry any point, So there's no issue there, you know. 643 00:36:04,933 --> 00:36:07,853 Speaker 4: Yeah, but you'd be panel now when you panel or 644 00:36:07,973 --> 00:36:08,493 Speaker 4: punts be. 645 00:36:08,573 --> 00:36:11,733 Speaker 6: Right, I'm in Montelbert. 646 00:36:13,733 --> 00:36:18,893 Speaker 3: There you go. Goodness goes further away than I thought. 647 00:36:21,613 --> 00:36:23,253 Speaker 2: Well, we might have a function all on our own 648 00:36:23,333 --> 00:36:25,893 Speaker 2: jury just to celebrate. But I'll get a bottle of 649 00:36:25,973 --> 00:36:30,653 Speaker 2: champagne and to celebrate even if you guys don't want 650 00:36:30,693 --> 00:36:36,613 Speaker 2: to take part. 651 00:36:33,333 --> 00:36:37,853 Speaker 6: We've got one. And isn't it exciting for New Zealand cricket? 652 00:36:37,893 --> 00:36:41,293 Speaker 6: I mean, I mean, are there heavy observations around that 653 00:36:41,973 --> 00:36:45,173 Speaker 6: we and I don't know how they've just fundled suddenly 654 00:36:45,253 --> 00:36:48,053 Speaker 6: just found us out that New Zealand's actually done quite 655 00:36:48,133 --> 00:36:56,453 Speaker 6: well over many many years now in these sort of competitions. 656 00:36:52,773 --> 00:37:01,413 Speaker 2: And underdogs, no one rates us, all right, Yes, thanks 657 00:37:01,453 --> 00:37:04,373 Speaker 2: for your time, guys. We'll talk again next week when 658 00:37:04,613 --> 00:37:07,453 Speaker 2: we can have a look at the performance in the final. 659 00:37:09,533 --> 00:37:15,093 Speaker 3: Cheers with five Boys. Take care take all the word 660 00:37:15,453 --> 00:37:18,293 Speaker 3: fulgies of summing. 661 00:37:24,213 --> 00:37:26,813 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks at b listen live on 662 00:37:26,933 --> 00:37:29,893 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 663 00:37:29,973 --> 00:37:32,533 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio