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Speaker 1: News talks. They'd be Barry Soaper, senior political correspondent with us.

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Speaker 1: Hey Barring, good afternoon, right, good to see you, lux

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Speaker 1: and giving us an insight into what could happen with

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Speaker 1: the public services post There were a.

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Speaker 2: Couple of interesting things. It was a bit of a

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Speaker 2: rats and nice press conference today. They started off with

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Speaker 2: this great glowing tourism initiative that they're doing. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they did it yesterday basically, but they're building on it again.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a bit eleven million dollars on

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Speaker 1: a new car park. I thought, we're clutching its straws

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Speaker 1: through a postcare, aren't we.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, That's what I thought. But it was interesting

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Speaker 2: some of the things that came up. I think you'll

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Speaker 2: see in the not too distant future it will be

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Speaker 2: the biggest fundamental change in the public service and how

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Speaker 2: chief executives are appointed now. Chris Luckson hasn't ruled out

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Speaker 2: and you'll hear them cabinet having to say over who

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Speaker 2: gets the top jobs.

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Speaker 3: Ever listened with respect to the public service, what we

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Speaker 3: expect is efficiency, delivery, a fixation and a focus. As

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Speaker 3: you heard in due to the Collins remarks to this

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Speaker 3: to the public sector CEO is about thinking about the

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Speaker 3: news on public as customers and how they are best served.

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Speaker 3: I want to be able to identify the next brand

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Speaker 3: of two hundred and fifty really smart, emerging young leaders

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Speaker 3: that we already have in our public service and make

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Speaker 3: sure that we're developing them in the right way. We

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Speaker 3: be a good starting point. Those are the sorts of

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Speaker 3: things that I'm in conversation with the new Public Service

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Speaker 3: Commissioner about soon.

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Speaker 2: I reckon there's going to be a fundamental change. It's

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Speaker 2: been done on Australia. John Howard did it a number

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Speaker 2: of years.

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Speaker 1: Ago, training camps, well.

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Speaker 2: Boots, I mean, yeah, yeah, but no. Interestingly, if you

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Speaker 2: look at the Police Commissioner, for examples, the recommendation of

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Speaker 2: who gets the job as the Police Minister, it goes

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Speaker 2: to the Prime Minister and then the appointment's made and

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Speaker 2: then it goes to the Governor General. But in other

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Speaker 2: areas and other departmental areas, they're not appointed in that way.

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Speaker 2: The Public Service Commissioner appoints the top bureaucrats. I think

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Speaker 2: it's good if we look at focus the public service

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Speaker 2: a bit more on what we expect out of them.

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Speaker 2: And making them a bit more well, not reliable, accountable,

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Speaker 2: that's the word I was walking for, but more accountable

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Speaker 2: I think would be a good way.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you wouldn't get much protest.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you would either.

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Speaker 1: And Destiny Church, did you have anything to say about that?

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Speaker 2: Well no, he did. Yeah, interestingly Destiny Church. Of course

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Speaker 2: it's going to tax free status because it's a charity.

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Speaker 2: So old Brian Tummocky was out there over the weekend

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Speaker 2: the gay Pride. I just think it's disgraceful. I mean,

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Speaker 2: if the gay people are presenting any problems to them,

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Speaker 2: you'd say, you know, they've got nothing to bitch about.

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Speaker 2: But nevertheless they seem to be able to do it,

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Speaker 2: and the tax free statues could be looked at as

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Speaker 2: a result of their performance at the gay Pride parade

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Speaker 2: over the weekend. Here's lux And.

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Speaker 3: Again I thought the Destiny Church protest has crossed the line.

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Speaker 3: That's not the kere we weigh. When you're intimidating public

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Speaker 3: officials and public facilities, that's not the way that we

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Speaker 3: expect things to be in this country. We expect people

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Speaker 3: to have free speech, we expect them to protest peacefully,

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Speaker 3: but also respectfully and we certainly value the diversity that

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Speaker 3: exists here in New Zealand. I know some of those

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Speaker 3: matters are before the police and they're looking into some

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Speaker 3: of that, but on leave that for them. We've said

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Speaker 3: that we would look out and due course around the

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Speaker 3: registerrant charities and their charitable status and therefore the attacks

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Speaker 3: treatment as a consequence and will form part of that

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Speaker 3: port a piece of work.

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Speaker 1: I'm pleased he said that at the end, because I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't want them to go in and take away the

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Speaker 1: charitable status on the basis of the protest. No, no,

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Speaker 1: you'd want it to be done as part of that

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Speaker 1: wider review that they're doing. We've got to do otherwise.

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Speaker 1: I mean you can imagine the pushback.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, a lot.

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Speaker 1: Seymour simply says it was an overlap, not an overstep.

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Speaker 2: It's open season. Is that I'm David Seymour at the moment.

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Speaker 2: It was last September that he said that these teacher

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Speaker 2: only days are a bit of a rat they're taking

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Speaker 2: them off. I don't think they are. I mean, if

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Speaker 2: you've got the point that Stanford made was that if

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Speaker 2: you've got a new curriculum, you've got to allow the

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Speaker 2: teachers a few teacher only days. Seymour would argue that, look,

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Speaker 2: if the kids are looking at teachers having days off,

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Speaker 2: then you know and sorry, shutting down the school and

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Speaker 2: not allowed, not allowed to come to school. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: do much for attendance. But look it's only three or

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Speaker 2: four times a year. But it was an overlap. He

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Speaker 2: said it as Associate Minister. In September last year, Erica

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Speaker 2: Stamford said that he was overstepping the mark. There's a

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Speaker 2: bit of bitching going on between obviously ACT and the

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Speaker 2: National Party. The interesting to see when it comes May

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Speaker 2: and there's an elevation.

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Speaker 1: Well exactly see. I was talking into a friend at

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Speaker 1: the gym this morning about exactly this. I think he's

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Speaker 1: getting it all out of his system now so that

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Speaker 1: he can calm the farm when he steps into that

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Speaker 1: prestigious role of Deputy Prime Minister.

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Speaker 2: Well it's also part of their brand, isn't it. Branding.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know they've got to be Locus stand

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Speaker 2: alone from the National Parker and that's certainly what they.

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Speaker 1: Do of course, and for Lux and it's like whack

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Speaker 1: a mole if he sorts Seymour out up will Rise Winston,

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Speaker 1: with eighteen months to go into an election campaign and

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Speaker 1: unshackled by the Deputy prize.

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Speaker 2: I think Winston was quite wise to take the second trunch, genius,

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Speaker 2: no brilliant.

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Speaker 1: Hey, why isn't Brook van Valden meeting with the CTU.

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Speaker 1: I thought this was a bad call from here.

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Speaker 2: Yep, me too, I think. Look, she's the Minister responsible

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Speaker 2: the CTU. They represent three hundred and sixty thousand people

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Speaker 2: in this country. And I remember the day that the

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Speaker 2: CTU would always be in the Minister's office. I remember

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Speaker 2: going back to old Jim Knox spitting in microphones after

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Speaker 2: an all night meeting. I remember once having to have

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Speaker 2: a tooth pick to pick out the breakfast that he

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Speaker 2: had just had out of my microphone. But they went

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Speaker 2: on all night, these things, and now, of course I don't.

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Speaker 2: I think maybe because the unions obviously don't have as

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Speaker 2: much power these days as they used to have. But

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Speaker 2: that's not to say that the minister who's enacting some

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Speaker 2: significant changes that do affect workers, the workers' representatives should

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Speaker 2: be able to talk to her, she said one meeting

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Speaker 2: with them. Since she's been the Minister responsible.

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Speaker 1: Funny you talk about that. There was a Wellington mayor

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Speaker 1: who we used to joke that you'd had you'd have

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Speaker 1: to take a rain jacket to go an interview because

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Speaker 1: she would she would spit everywhere.

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Speaker 2: I do distinctly remember the picking, getting my tooth pick

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Speaker 2: back in the office and taking Jim's breakfast out on

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Speaker 2: the microphone. God bless his soul.

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