1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Heather duple Cla Stoft. 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 2: The Department of Conservation is considering charging us for the 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 2: privilege of visiting iconic places around the country, for example, 4 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 2: Cathedral Cove, Tonguetedle Crossing, Milford Track and so on. Keywis 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: would pay twenty bucks and foreigners would pay thirty bucks. 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 2: Ruth Isaac is one of the deputy director generals at 7 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 2: doc Hey. Ruth, Hi there, Ruth, Practically, how would you 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 2: impose this chart charge? Right let's turning up to the 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: Tongetitle crossing. How are you going to charge me before 10 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: I hit the thing? 11 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: So it's a really good question and how charges might 12 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: be imposed pens on the place, and also decisions about 13 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: what kinds of charges ministers want. What we've looked at 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: overseas is sometimes these things are done as charges per 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: vehicle in car parks and can be collected that way, 16 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: including that people self serving on a at a station 17 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: are the other things that happen already. We already charged 18 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: per person for concessionaires, and most people, for example at 19 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: the Tongaededo crossing, are delivered by a driver and a 20 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: shuttle to that place, So we would be able to 21 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: potentially add charges that way. In some other places, you know, 22 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: people arrived by ferry, those charges could be added that way. Essentially, 23 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: the government hasn't made any decisions about exactly what the 24 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,639 Speaker 1: right method is. We have been looking at how that's 25 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: done overseas, and we'd be really keen to make sure 26 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: that whatever we do, it's low cost, it's efficient, we 27 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: don't need to employ a lot of people to ensure 28 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: compliance and whatnot. 29 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: But then how would you tell the difference between a 30 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: key we and a foreigner turning up to the tool, 31 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: or let's say you were if you were charging it, 32 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:39,919 Speaker 2: if it was something that was prepaid for the vehicle, 33 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 2: how would you know that this one is a foreigner 34 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 2: that needs to pay thirty bucks as opposed to twenty. 35 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: So that's a good question and we've been thinking about that. 36 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: But we already have differential pricing for our great walks 37 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: in some of our huts, internationals and others, and we 38 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: have a system that enables us to check passports and 39 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: do that. So we would be looking at how we 40 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: could include those sorts of mechanisms if we were going 41 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: to have differential pricing or if there was going to 42 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: be different charges that is, for internationals or domestic. 43 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: So, Ruth, this is a no brainer. Everybody does it 44 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 2: around the world. It's long overdue. Why on earth do 45 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 2: you guys need to consult on it? Why don't you 46 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: just do it? I mean, it's not unusual for the 47 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: government to up charges those up charges the other day 48 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: on the international visitor leady, So why don't you just 49 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: do it? 50 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: So? Okay, good question this one. We actually need to 51 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: change the law to make it clear that we can 52 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: introduce you yes, so much. 53 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: You don't need to ask permission to change the law 54 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: to change it. 55 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: Well, it's standard orthodox practice for the government to put 56 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: its proposals to the public, see what the public think, 57 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: and then to take forward changes to legislation. That doesn't 58 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: always happen, but that would be pretty common practice for 59 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: changing the legislation. And on this conversation, ministers are really 60 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: keen to hear what New Zealanders think because in some 61 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: areas the sort of the right to access public conservation 62 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: land has been enshrined in that law for quite a 63 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: long time, and there are some people who will have 64 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: fairly strong views about changes to that and they want 65 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: to hear from everyone about those views. 66 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 2: All right, Ruth, thank you very much appreciated Ruth, Isaac 67 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 2: and best of luck with it who is with the 68 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 2: Department of Conservation. 69 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. 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