WEBVTT - The Panel: Auckland Transport, Comancheros arrests 0:00:05.761 --> 0:00:09.401 You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks. 0:00:10.321 --> 0:00:13.401 It is time for the panel and my my my 0:00:13.441 --> 0:00:16.241 first panelist, My first panelist, makes it sound like he 0:00:16.321 --> 0:00:18.841 belongs to me, our first panelist. There is all of 0:00:18.881 --> 0:00:21.481 ours now. Look I was trying to think of a 0:00:21.481 --> 0:00:23.121 way to introduce him. But look at it this way. 0:00:23.361 --> 0:00:26.921 If New Zealand Herald was Lord of the Rings, he'd 0:00:26.921 --> 0:00:32.801 be Gandalf, and it is Simon Wilson. Is that a right? 0:00:32.921 --> 0:00:37.321 I will take that Gandalf on a bicycle. Yeah, magic bicycle. 0:00:37.321 --> 0:00:41.161 I hastened. Yes, indeed, I mean more Gandalf than Bilbo. 0:00:41.241 --> 0:00:45.281 I think, thank you for that. But as I started 0:00:45.281 --> 0:00:48.241 to explore the potential characters, there's there's a range. 0:00:49.321 --> 0:00:51.241 Here's me sitting here thinking you're going to say Sarah. 0:00:51.521 --> 0:00:54.521 I'm saying to myself, please don't say. Don't say Sarah. 0:00:54.641 --> 0:00:57.681 Don't lost opportunity. 0:00:57.921 --> 0:01:02.521 I've got a lot to me to, you know, match 0:01:02.601 --> 0:01:05.281 up to now, don't I? Well, no, I can't say 0:01:05.321 --> 0:01:06.001 a silly thing. 0:01:06.201 --> 0:01:07.241 Well, well. 0:01:08.801 --> 0:01:11.081 Let's see how we go. And and we've got a 0:01:11.121 --> 0:01:14.641 new guest as our second panelist. He's a futurist, the 0:01:14.761 --> 0:01:17.001 CEO of Guerrilla Tech. He has a couple of podcasts, 0:01:17.001 --> 0:01:19.401 including the New Zealand Tech podcast, and his name is 0:01:19.641 --> 0:01:21.401 Paul Spain. Get a Paul Haw you going. 0:01:21.481 --> 0:01:23.601 Yeah, good, nice to Nice to be joining for. 0:01:23.601 --> 0:01:24.961 The first time. Hey what were you thinking? 0:01:25.401 --> 0:01:27.401 I have no idea anyway. 0:01:27.761 --> 0:01:31.401 Good to have you. So what's THEO? What's Gorilla Tech? 0:01:32.561 --> 0:01:38.361 We basically an organization that helps smaller to medium organizations 0:01:38.401 --> 0:01:41.641 to get the maximum leverage out of technology whilst driving 0:01:41.681 --> 0:01:45.441 down all those nask the risk cybersecurity and data privacy, 0:01:45.481 --> 0:01:48.521 which is kind of hard to find for the smaller organizations. 0:01:48.721 --> 0:01:50.561 Yeah. I was feeling a little embarrassed that we had 0:01:50.601 --> 0:01:52.321 to set up a couple of extra mircs and things. 0:01:52.321 --> 0:01:53.681 As you were coming in, I was thinking, Oh God, 0:01:53.681 --> 0:01:55.761 are the tech guy's going to be thinking, oh goodness 0:01:55.841 --> 0:01:57.161 me look at them or their tech. 0:01:57.641 --> 0:01:59.121 I actually thought you were going to ask me to 0:01:59.161 --> 0:02:00.721 go and find it and plug them in because there's 0:02:00.721 --> 0:02:02.761 people usually Oh there's a tech person in the room, 0:02:02.801 --> 0:02:03.921 then they can do it all. 0:02:04.081 --> 0:02:06.321 Well, if you had your black Roadie sort of T 0:02:06.441 --> 0:02:08.761 shirt on, I would have been that's the guy for 0:02:08.841 --> 0:02:12.601 the job. Okay, let's get into it. Haye. Look, there's 0:02:12.601 --> 0:02:14.521 not a lot to talk about yet, because New Zealand's 0:02:14.521 --> 0:02:17.641 currently in thirty third place. But the Paralympics have begun 0:02:17.761 --> 0:02:19.841 and I always think it's a wonderful continuation of the 0:02:19.881 --> 0:02:22.921 festival of Olympics sport and in my favorite city in 0:02:22.921 --> 0:02:24.761 the world, Paris, Simon. 0:02:24.881 --> 0:02:26.401 I'm not sure what else there is to say. It 0:02:27.401 --> 0:02:30.921 is a fantastic competition. It's so exciting, so many ways 0:02:32.001 --> 0:02:35.001 continuing and in Paris, and I think Paris in the 0:02:35.041 --> 0:02:39.001 Olympics are now in the Paralympics. It's just showing itself 0:02:39.041 --> 0:02:43.001 off so well. Isn't it a wonderful, wonderful city of 0:02:43.121 --> 0:02:46.881 culture and history and imagination and excitement. 0:02:47.481 --> 0:02:50.281 Yeah, and of course there will be stories that come 0:02:50.281 --> 0:02:52.921 out about different victories and efforts and stuff. But it 0:02:53.041 --> 0:02:57.081 is quite humbling watching what people who've got some pretty 0:02:57.121 --> 0:03:01.561 significant physical challenges can deliver as athletes. It's phenomenal, isn't it. 0:03:01.681 --> 0:03:04.921 I think that's absolutely true. You sit there on you 0:03:05.081 --> 0:03:07.401 ouch watching going what am I doing with my life? 0:03:08.561 --> 0:03:08.881 Paul? 0:03:10.081 --> 0:03:13.361 Yeah, Look, I'm really excited to see how it plays out. 0:03:13.361 --> 0:03:16.881 It does seem that New Zealand, as always tends to 0:03:16.881 --> 0:03:18.801 punch above our weight when we get into these sort 0:03:18.801 --> 0:03:22.521 of global stages. So yeah, I'm really looking forward to seeing, 0:03:22.601 --> 0:03:24.841 you know, what our power athletes achieve. 0:03:25.001 --> 0:03:26.641 I think we've got a way to go. Obviously, it 0:03:26.681 --> 0:03:28.561 just says at the moment thirty third placement. It's very 0:03:28.601 --> 0:03:31.961 early days. Actually, where do we end up in the Olympics. 0:03:31.961 --> 0:03:34.321 I think we'll we're about twelve because it's the number 0:03:34.321 --> 0:03:36.201 of something that wasn't it, which is pretty fun. It's 0:03:36.201 --> 0:03:37.161 an interesting question. 0:03:37.001 --> 0:03:39.961 About the punching above the weight because you obviously you 0:03:40.001 --> 0:03:43.881 want a factor in not only size, but also the 0:03:43.921 --> 0:03:48.361 way in which each country's sports organizations address the Olympics 0:03:48.561 --> 0:03:50.921 is a priority for them, and from New Zealand it 0:03:51.001 --> 0:03:53.441 really is at the moment and that's why we do 0:03:53.721 --> 0:03:57.681 so well. Are we doing as well as expected? I 0:03:57.681 --> 0:03:58.801 don't know the oubts to that. 0:03:59.121 --> 0:04:00.081 Well, it's early days. 0:04:00.401 --> 0:04:02.201 Well, I'm thinking about the main Olympics where we do 0:04:02.281 --> 0:04:05.801 know the data, but in Paralympics, yes, it's fart really 0:04:05.921 --> 0:04:06.121 to know. 0:04:06.321 --> 0:04:11.081 Yeah, anyway, and of course you know Paris, My love 0:04:11.121 --> 0:04:13.841 watching it just for the difference. It is a stunning 0:04:13.841 --> 0:04:15.401 setting for all they're doing. I don't think they're going 0:04:15.441 --> 0:04:16.921 to be I'm not sure if they're doing any swimming 0:04:16.921 --> 0:04:18.321 in the seand though at this time I haven't missed 0:04:18.321 --> 0:04:22.481 that's right, miss that headline. Okay, right, let's get into 0:04:22.481 --> 0:04:24.481 the big stuff. We'll start with well, we will start 0:04:24.481 --> 0:04:28.121 with you on this one, Simon, because you're I'm not 0:04:28.161 --> 0:04:31.081 sure if you're a fan of Auckland Transport. Winston Peters isn't. 0:04:31.161 --> 0:04:34.201 He wants to scrap Auckland Transport. Says it's a failed 0:04:34.201 --> 0:04:37.961 experiment without enough accountability to the people of Auckland. Does 0:04:38.001 --> 0:04:38.561 he have a point? 0:04:38.761 --> 0:04:41.441 I think my view of Auckland Transport is a bit 0:04:41.481 --> 0:04:42.121 of a curacy. 0:04:42.281 --> 0:04:44.681 It's got it ought. 0:04:44.521 --> 0:04:48.601 To be more accountable. It has a very bureaucratic structure. 0:04:49.361 --> 0:04:53.041 It is less good at doing things than it ought 0:04:53.081 --> 0:04:56.481 to be, particularly in terms of getting things done relatively quickly, 0:04:57.081 --> 0:05:01.561 and it's often not good at consulting. It's in that 0:05:01.961 --> 0:05:04.881 partly bound by the law about how it's supposed to. 0:05:05.121 --> 0:05:07.521 So you consult on something, you get things back, you 0:05:07.561 --> 0:05:09.681 want to change the plan, you've got to reconsultant, and 0:05:09.681 --> 0:05:12.201 on it goes. And that's just really really comes to 0:05:12.321 --> 0:05:15.121 process that they are obliged to go through. But that 0:05:15.161 --> 0:05:19.321 should change the really extraordinary thing about what Winston Peters 0:05:19.321 --> 0:05:21.281 has done and what the Nuzumma First has done. They've 0:05:21.281 --> 0:05:23.321 put this bill up so it'll be in the biscuit 0:05:23.841 --> 0:05:26.481 to be drawn as a member's bill the government at 0:05:26.521 --> 0:05:29.321 the moment. I asked Simeon Brown, Transport Minister, about. 0:05:29.121 --> 0:05:30.241 This just this week. 0:05:30.961 --> 0:05:33.721 They are looking at what he called a range of 0:05:33.761 --> 0:05:37.921 options for the future of Auckland Transport. I said to him, 0:05:38.001 --> 0:05:43.481 is one of them bringing the policy functions into central government? 0:05:43.561 --> 0:05:47.241 He said no, but they are looking at what he 0:05:47.361 --> 0:05:50.001 called a range of options. He wouldn't say more, which 0:05:50.361 --> 0:05:54.801 presumably theoretically could include following the whole thing into back 0:05:54.801 --> 0:05:57.441 into a welb Council. But I doubt very much is 0:05:57.481 --> 0:06:01.161 going to go that far. But given that the Deputy 0:06:01.161 --> 0:06:03.641 prime Minister's party has put up this private members bill 0:06:03.721 --> 0:06:06.001 at a time when one of his in the cabinet 0:06:06.001 --> 0:06:09.881 table has this work underway right now, it's a bit 0:06:09.961 --> 0:06:12.281 of left hand and right hand and a little bit 0:06:12.321 --> 0:06:15.761 of a slap with a hop card over the face 0:06:15.801 --> 0:06:16.521 of sim and Brown. 0:06:16.561 --> 0:06:18.601 If you ask me, well, all the other way if 0:06:18.641 --> 0:06:21.841 they don't pick up Winston's bill, possibly, Look, I have 0:06:21.881 --> 0:06:23.601 to be honest Paul that I'm just going to come 0:06:23.601 --> 0:06:25.961 at this from a complete from a punter's point of view. 0:06:26.481 --> 0:06:29.561 I loathe Auckland Transport. Everything I see going around the city. 0:06:29.641 --> 0:06:31.361 I just there's just so many examples. I just go 0:06:31.441 --> 0:06:35.801 bloody Auckland Transport, the speed limits getting ground down. You know, 0:06:37.201 --> 0:06:39.641 what do you what do you make of this? This 0:06:39.721 --> 0:06:41.361 biscuit and Bill. 0:06:41.721 --> 0:06:46.481 Yes, scrap it, scrap what Bill scrap Auckland Transport and 0:06:46.841 --> 0:06:48.801 let's let's start a free Who should? 0:06:49.041 --> 0:06:51.601 What should? Does he have a point about the lack 0:06:51.641 --> 0:06:54.281 of sort of democratic accountability. I think that's a lot 0:06:54.321 --> 0:06:56.921 of people's frustrations in a way. Although sometimes when councils 0:06:56.961 --> 0:06:58.561 have control of things, it's not a good thing either, 0:06:58.681 --> 0:06:58.881 is it. 0:06:59.521 --> 0:07:02.041 Look I mean, I think we don't engage very well 0:07:02.081 --> 0:07:05.561 with councils as as as voters here there's always sort 0:07:05.561 --> 0:07:09.161 of a low turnout, and you know, they do seem 0:07:09.201 --> 0:07:13.641 to be too many layers of bureaucracy, and then you 0:07:13.681 --> 0:07:16.481 know we don't always get the best results. I remember 0:07:16.641 --> 0:07:19.361 last time I made quite an effort to engage with 0:07:19.441 --> 0:07:22.761 Auckland Transport. Let's try out these trains, and the hop 0:07:22.841 --> 0:07:25.921 card system was such an absolute mess. 0:07:26.121 --> 0:07:27.481 When when was that? 0:07:28.481 --> 0:07:31.321 I mean probably that was going back maybe ten years. 0:07:31.361 --> 0:07:35.521 So how's that relevant, Well, because it hasn't really got 0:07:35.561 --> 0:07:36.001 much better. 0:07:36.041 --> 0:07:37.321 But you don't know that well. 0:07:37.361 --> 0:07:38.281 I do know that well. 0:07:38.321 --> 0:07:40.121 I know that I know about it too because I 0:07:40.241 --> 0:07:43.121 use a hot card. I think the hop cards have 0:07:43.241 --> 0:07:46.401 sped up with buses, get people getting on and off 0:07:46.401 --> 0:07:50.601 the bus. They are reliable, that accurate, They're a really 0:07:50.641 --> 0:07:57.201 efficient way of delivering the whole pay service thing. They 0:07:57.241 --> 0:08:00.481 have upgraded there. Things that you swipe these days so 0:08:00.521 --> 0:08:02.521 that they're easier to read, got a big tech on 0:08:02.561 --> 0:08:04.881 them now instead of a couple of things that you 0:08:04.921 --> 0:08:08.441 know quite know what it means. I think that kind 0:08:08.441 --> 0:08:10.881 of you're the tech guy, but I think that kind 0:08:10.881 --> 0:08:14.281 of technology in our transport system we need more of it. 0:08:14.481 --> 0:08:16.721 And I think it's it's one of the good things 0:08:16.761 --> 0:08:19.361 the things they've done. Well, it's an integrated service right 0:08:19.361 --> 0:08:22.721 across buses, trains and ferries. Although if you really wanted 0:08:22.761 --> 0:08:26.161 to be integrated. When I went to London, it's just here, 0:08:26.321 --> 0:08:29.121 just use your credit card bingo and. 0:08:29.561 --> 0:08:31.361 You know what, it'll know which way you are. Just 0:08:31.601 --> 0:08:35.001 just swipe that you're done for the day. And to 0:08:35.041 --> 0:08:38.961 me it's like, well that's better why don't we do that. 0:08:38.961 --> 0:08:41.761 That's next stage. But that wasn't available to at when 0:08:41.801 --> 0:08:43.481 they said on the hot card system. And there are 0:08:43.561 --> 0:08:46.761 legal reasons for that. It's not their fault, but that's 0:08:46.801 --> 0:08:48.481 the case. I think one of the problems of the 0:08:48.481 --> 0:08:52.241 Auckland transport is that it's now in a bind of 0:08:52.281 --> 0:08:55.201 whatever it does or doesn't do. And I said before, 0:08:55.401 --> 0:08:57.801 there's lots of things I think it doesn't do well enough. 0:08:58.081 --> 0:08:59.681 But whatever it does or doesn't do, there will be 0:08:59.721 --> 0:09:02.841 people who don't like it. So you make the buses 0:09:03.161 --> 0:09:06.121 faster and more frequent and there for more efficient by 0:09:06.161 --> 0:09:09.241 giving them dedicated lanes. You are taking car parks off 0:09:09.361 --> 0:09:11.881 arterial roads to do that, you have to do it 0:09:11.921 --> 0:09:14.601 that way, and that annoys people who want to park there, 0:09:15.081 --> 0:09:18.961 so there's that problem. You slow the traffic down, particularly 0:09:18.961 --> 0:09:22.281 around schools and shopping centers and busy areas, so that 0:09:22.401 --> 0:09:25.081 it is safer for pedestrians, and that's remember in Auckland, 0:09:25.161 --> 0:09:27.881 and half the people who are killed or seriously engined 0:09:27.921 --> 0:09:30.681 on our roads are not in a car hit by 0:09:30.761 --> 0:09:34.241 a car. So if you slow the traffic down, you 0:09:34.361 --> 0:09:37.321 make the roads safer. But you just said you don't 0:09:37.441 --> 0:09:40.321 like it. When the speed limits alled, So you get 0:09:40.321 --> 0:09:42.801 that problem well, and it goes on and on. 0:09:42.321 --> 0:09:46.081 I think that, yeah, there's probably a philosophical difference. I 0:09:46.121 --> 0:09:48.081 think that we should make the roads safer by making 0:09:48.121 --> 0:09:51.481 sure that people I mean encouraging safety, of course, and 0:09:51.721 --> 0:09:53.001 trying not to step out in front of a car. 0:09:53.041 --> 0:09:54.961 But it seems that we've gone down this thing is like, 0:09:55.321 --> 0:09:57.641 let's have it so if you do step out in 0:09:57.681 --> 0:09:59.801 front of a car, it's more of an even contest 0:09:59.801 --> 0:10:01.641 with the pedestrian of the car. You might not get hurt. 0:10:01.721 --> 0:10:04.401 And I sort of think we do have cars for 0:10:04.401 --> 0:10:07.161 getting around quicker, otherwise would all be walking in cyclinging. 0:10:07.241 --> 0:10:10.761 We treat and i'm when treat our roads. We treat 0:10:10.761 --> 0:10:13.761 our roads as if we have as if we're in 0:10:13.841 --> 0:10:16.121 small towns and there are not a lot of cars, 0:10:16.121 --> 0:10:18.681 and we still have the same attitude to them, and 0:10:18.841 --> 0:10:19.881 we shouldn't. 0:10:20.001 --> 0:10:22.041 I think there's a I think sometimes it just feels 0:10:22.081 --> 0:10:24.281 it goes too far. And I'm pretty sure we got 0:10:24.321 --> 0:10:27.041 the speed limits wrong in Auckland City. When regularly, if 0:10:27.081 --> 0:10:30.001 I'm driving home and I get overtaken by a police 0:10:30.001 --> 0:10:31.721 car that isn't even doing the speed limit, I sort 0:10:31.761 --> 0:10:33.481 of think you know this part of the speed limit. 0:10:33.561 --> 0:10:36.201 I don't know that's my thing, but that's that's got 0:10:36.241 --> 0:10:37.841 some one of those dreadful motorists. Paul. 0:10:38.281 --> 0:10:42.361 Yeah, well you know I'm in that club too. Look, 0:10:42.601 --> 0:10:45.721 you know, going back to the cards. You know, some 0:10:45.921 --> 0:10:49.041 years ago there was I was given a bit of 0:10:49.081 --> 0:10:51.161 technology to test out which was linked up with the 0:10:51.201 --> 0:10:54.561 payment system they were using for transport in Wellington. That 0:10:54.761 --> 0:10:58.921 was phenomenal. It worked well. I was given a smartphone 0:10:58.921 --> 0:11:00.601 that was linked into it. You could use it at 0:11:00.601 --> 0:11:01.721 stores to buy things. 0:11:01.761 --> 0:11:03.081 It updated and please. 0:11:03.321 --> 0:11:06.361 It was absolutely superb and it looked like Auckland was 0:11:06.401 --> 0:11:08.401 going that way, and then we went a different way. 0:11:08.521 --> 0:11:11.281 And yeah, to the credit cards, I've experienced that same 0:11:11.321 --> 0:11:13.841 thing Singapore. You know, you tap in and tap out 0:11:13.881 --> 0:11:16.801 with your credit card. I've also gotten off the bus 0:11:16.841 --> 0:11:19.841 and I think it's off a plane in Toronto, tried 0:11:19.841 --> 0:11:22.841 to use the public transport and there's worked like Auckland, 0:11:22.921 --> 0:11:25.161 which is when you go to say hey, how do 0:11:25.241 --> 0:11:27.161 I pay for this? They say, oh, you haven't got 0:11:27.161 --> 0:11:29.321 a card and I'm like, no, I've just derived from 0:11:29.401 --> 0:11:33.041 New Zealand, how would I do that? So you know, 0:11:33.401 --> 0:11:35.681 there are models there that work maybe a bit better 0:11:35.721 --> 0:11:36.321 for everybody. 0:11:36.561 --> 0:11:38.841 Actually, funny enough that we were talking about the Paralympics 0:11:38.881 --> 0:11:40.761 in Paris. I was still quite surprised that you have 0:11:40.801 --> 0:11:42.601 to go up to the booth. That's quite expensive too, 0:11:42.601 --> 0:11:44.321 and you put the money in, you get this little 0:11:44.361 --> 0:11:48.201 card out, and it's sort of felt kind of old school. 0:11:48.601 --> 0:11:51.081 Mind you, that's Paris for you. Anyway. Oh well, we're 0:11:51.081 --> 0:11:54.361 off for a raw. That's all good. Look, while we're 0:11:54.361 --> 0:11:58.361 on New Zealand. First, Shane Jones, who made his communist 0:11:58.401 --> 0:12:00.881 judge comment, Look, if I was to put on my 0:12:00.921 --> 0:12:04.241 appropriateness hat and think about legal precedent and the way 0:12:04.281 --> 0:12:07.081 ministers should ok, he shouldn't really use the sort of 0:12:07.161 --> 0:12:09.081 language Paul. But there was also a part of it. 0:12:09.001 --> 0:12:11.041 It was like, I'm not too bad, I'm not too 0:12:11.081 --> 0:12:12.401 bothered about it. What did you think? 0:12:13.121 --> 0:12:14.361 Yeah, I mean it. 0:12:14.201 --> 0:12:17.881 It does seem out of line for what what what 0:12:17.921 --> 0:12:19.001 we expect. 0:12:18.561 --> 0:12:21.641 And the way we think of communism in New Zealand. 0:12:21.801 --> 0:12:24.601 Right if he had just just said, look, you know, 0:12:25.201 --> 0:12:29.321 big lefty, big writing whatever category that's a bit softer, 0:12:29.401 --> 0:12:32.761 but communists here we kind of look back on the 0:12:32.801 --> 0:12:36.361 worst of communism and you know, we we associate all 0:12:36.401 --> 0:12:38.881 sorts of pretty nasty things with that with that word. 0:12:39.361 --> 0:12:41.161 I think the thing was that he was just making 0:12:41.161 --> 0:12:43.161 a comment about the judge and sort of in a 0:12:43.241 --> 0:12:45.801 judgment sense that maybe he just shouldn't do anyway. But 0:12:46.041 --> 0:12:48.681 he's not. He's not really showing away from it. Is 0:12:48.721 --> 0:12:49.321 the old chain. 0:12:50.001 --> 0:12:53.321 He's absolutely not showing away shying away from it. I mean, 0:12:53.921 --> 0:12:56.001 on the one hand, I think it's appalling that he's 0:12:56.001 --> 0:12:56.601 behaving like. 0:12:56.601 --> 0:13:01.721 That, and there a number of you love it. 0:13:01.841 --> 0:13:04.321 But the thing is, this is the reality of the 0:13:04.441 --> 0:13:07.441 coalition we have now and the MMP system we have. 0:13:07.521 --> 0:13:10.321 More generally, every single party has to play to its 0:13:10.361 --> 0:13:12.601 base and keep them happy, and you see them all 0:13:12.601 --> 0:13:16.281 doing that. So when Shane Jones says she's a communist judge, 0:13:16.401 --> 0:13:22.361 he's not making a considered rational, important or useful comment 0:13:22.641 --> 0:13:25.121 in any way except what he's saying to his base 0:13:25.401 --> 0:13:30.841 is I share your prejudices, so keep on voting for me. 0:13:30.921 --> 0:13:32.801 And that's all he's doing. It's I don't think it's 0:13:32.801 --> 0:13:34.881 helpful in government. I think I would love to think 0:13:34.921 --> 0:13:39.081 we collectively could grow out of that if it said, 0:13:39.201 --> 0:13:42.001 if it said she's just a socialist judge, even. 0:13:41.841 --> 0:13:44.721 That's not really okay given he's a minister, is it. 0:13:44.801 --> 0:13:48.521 I mean, you really need to just need to he 0:13:48.521 --> 0:13:51.601 said it was an adjective as a matter of fact, 0:13:53.761 --> 0:13:55.601 thank you for our grammar lesson sort of thing. But 0:13:55.801 --> 0:13:59.081 he really shouldn't. He should just say, well, probably as 0:13:59.121 --> 0:14:01.601 little as possible, I guess, and Judith will probably have 0:14:01.601 --> 0:14:04.441 a chat with him and like Shane, can you please 0:14:04.481 --> 0:14:05.001 not use them? 0:14:05.441 --> 0:14:08.041 We have in New Zealand with our judges. It's a 0:14:08.081 --> 0:14:11.561 little bit like cricket with our umpires. Still we have 0:14:11.681 --> 0:14:15.721 a relatively high standard of you don't attack them, and 0:14:15.921 --> 0:14:18.641 not all countries have that by any means, and I 0:14:18.681 --> 0:14:20.721 think it's worth trying to hold on to for as 0:14:20.721 --> 0:14:25.001 long as we can. You know, I use the cricket analogy. 0:14:26.201 --> 0:14:28.001 You think about. One of the worst things in sport, 0:14:28.481 --> 0:14:31.761 to my mind, is watching football players arguing with the referee. 0:14:31.881 --> 0:14:33.881 You don't want that happening in any sport, and I 0:14:33.921 --> 0:14:36.081 think it's the same in the judiciary. You don't want 0:14:36.441 --> 0:14:40.521 politicians arguing with judges or having a guard them. It 0:14:40.721 --> 0:14:44.921 just demeans and diminishes the separation and independence and strength 0:14:44.961 --> 0:14:46.321 and integrity of both sides. 0:14:46.681 --> 0:14:49.601 Good point, Simon that's why we've got the areas there 0:14:49.681 --> 0:14:54.841 scandal and we've had a soar on moment almost anyway, 0:14:54.881 --> 0:14:56.761 we'll be back in just a moment. This is the panel, 0:14:57.441 --> 0:15:00.961 my guests, Simon Wilson and Paul Spain. Not a new 0:15:00.961 --> 0:15:02.921 bea to broadcasting all but a new beat to the 0:15:02.961 --> 0:15:05.401 Weekend Collective. We'll be back in just a moment. News 0:15:05.401 --> 0:15:10.761 talks 'db and welcome back to the Weekend Collective. This 0:15:11.121 --> 0:15:15.241 is the panel and my guests Simon Wilson, who probably 0:15:15.281 --> 0:15:17.361 needs no introduction, and Paul Spain, who may not need 0:15:17.361 --> 0:15:21.081 one either, but he is a futurist and a tech guy. Actually, 0:15:21.161 --> 0:15:23.161 is that the best way to the tech guy? I 0:15:23.201 --> 0:15:25.521 don't know. That's probably a little a crude way to 0:15:25.521 --> 0:15:26.121 describe it, isn't it. 0:15:26.161 --> 0:15:26.321 Paul. 0:15:26.321 --> 0:15:28.881 Anyway, listen you can, I'll forgive it. Yeah, there we go. 0:15:29.401 --> 0:15:29.601 Right. 0:15:29.801 --> 0:15:31.921 Hey, look, I love a bit of positive news, and 0:15:31.961 --> 0:15:35.601 I did think it was an extraordinary bit of news 0:15:35.601 --> 0:15:37.681 when we heard that the entire Canterbary chapter of the 0:15:37.681 --> 0:15:40.401 Common Cero's had been arrested. Obviously a lot of work 0:15:40.441 --> 0:15:43.681 has gone and behind the scenes with the police. An 0:15:43.681 --> 0:15:46.081 eighteen men aged between eighteen and fifty five arrested and 0:15:46.121 --> 0:15:50.241 appeared in christ Church and Auckland on charges including participating 0:15:50.281 --> 0:15:53.921 in an organized criminal groups, conspiracy to supply methan, fetamine 0:15:54.161 --> 0:15:58.081 and a conspiracy to supply cocaine. Just bravo to the police, 0:15:58.121 --> 0:16:00.001 A Simon, nice to go, Bravo, bravo. 0:16:00.201 --> 0:16:02.441 I think you're absolutely right about that. This is very 0:16:02.441 --> 0:16:05.161 good news, very good news for christ Church. And what 0:16:05.241 --> 0:16:07.481 I'm really curious about now is what the police do, 0:16:07.561 --> 0:16:10.521 because presumably they have a plan for this. There's now 0:16:10.561 --> 0:16:14.601 a big vacuum in christ Church of cocaine and methamphetamine, 0:16:15.441 --> 0:16:19.281 and I imagine a number of other criminal gangs are 0:16:19.321 --> 0:16:21.201 going to be trying to rush to fill it, and 0:16:21.281 --> 0:16:23.161 so the police have to step up and try and 0:16:23.201 --> 0:16:25.401 manage that too. Could be an opportunity for that, you 0:16:25.441 --> 0:16:28.801 would think, so, yes, so all proud of them, Yeah, Paul. 0:16:30.281 --> 0:16:33.241 It kind of got me thinking around, you know, what tricks, 0:16:33.281 --> 0:16:36.401 what technology were they using behind the scenes, right, Because 0:16:36.841 --> 0:16:40.361 to get that many people, you've got to have some 0:16:40.401 --> 0:16:44.281 pretty good surveillance, I would imagine, because I mean I 0:16:44.321 --> 0:16:47.361 can't remember the last time, if ever, we've seen something 0:16:47.481 --> 0:16:51.361 like this where you know, the entire gang for an 0:16:51.401 --> 0:16:53.641 area has been has been taken out. 0:16:53.801 --> 0:16:56.361 And because I think the general punter, we all imagine that, 0:16:56.441 --> 0:16:58.961 you know, they've got some recordings of people, and there's 0:16:58.961 --> 0:17:02.041 a bit of surveillance here and there, but the amount 0:17:02.041 --> 0:17:04.881 of dotting of eyes and crossing of te's you would 0:17:04.881 --> 0:17:09.161 have to have to arrest every single person. The amount 0:17:09.201 --> 0:17:12.561 of work would be immense. It's not wouldn't just be like, oh, 0:17:12.561 --> 0:17:14.881 we've got a pretty good hunch we've seen this guy 0:17:14.881 --> 0:17:16.881 talking to that guy. They're all guilty, let's go get them. 0:17:17.001 --> 0:17:20.881 You would have to have tangible, solid evidence on every 0:17:20.921 --> 0:17:23.441 single person. I just think it's it's I just think 0:17:23.441 --> 0:17:25.401 the police have done an amazing job. It's incredible. 0:17:25.401 --> 0:17:29.041 Aim you presume that all of those arrests are real 0:17:29.121 --> 0:17:31.601 arrest that they're not just will just grab everyone in 0:17:31.641 --> 0:17:33.921 the room, And that therefore means, well, you'd have to 0:17:33.921 --> 0:17:35.441 have some evidence. Did you got to get them on 0:17:35.441 --> 0:17:37.561 conspiracy or something like that. Don't You've got to get 0:17:38.041 --> 0:17:40.561 everyone who was in the room when this plan was discussed. 0:17:41.481 --> 0:17:43.881 Yeah, so good on them. Fingers. I mean asked to 0:17:43.921 --> 0:17:47.761 how many convictions it leads to and when that actually happens, Well, 0:17:47.801 --> 0:17:49.161 it's not going to be not going. 0:17:49.081 --> 0:17:52.241 To be over and it's a signal of intent, isn't it. 0:17:52.281 --> 0:17:53.761 And that's that's great. 0:17:53.801 --> 0:17:56.161 Speaking of just on the just why we're talking about 0:17:56.161 --> 0:17:56.881 police things. 0:17:57.321 --> 0:18:01.241 I enjoyed the well did I enjoy it. I wasn't 0:18:01.281 --> 0:18:01.721 sure what I. 0:18:01.681 --> 0:18:04.721 Initially thought of it. But Ginny Anderson, who'd posted the 0:18:04.761 --> 0:18:08.521 wrong foot patrol statistics when it looked like and Bennett 0:18:08.521 --> 0:18:11.841 Collins from One News presented her with the evidence, and 0:18:11.881 --> 0:18:14.161 she looked like a toddler who had been caught eating 0:18:14.161 --> 0:18:17.081 a biscuit she shouldn't have and just simply denied it. 0:18:17.081 --> 0:18:19.961 It's like, well, no, this is and she couldn't. I mean, 0:18:21.001 --> 0:18:22.441 was there a way for her to back down? She 0:18:22.561 --> 0:18:25.161 was going with foot patrols have gone down, and it 0:18:25.201 --> 0:18:27.361 looks like by all accounts they've gone up. Simon. 0:18:28.841 --> 0:18:31.481 It was a terribly embarrassing moment for her. And I 0:18:31.481 --> 0:18:36.161 guess the thing about anyone who's caught completely wrong footed 0:18:36.201 --> 0:18:37.761 like that, as you are going to spend a moment 0:18:37.921 --> 0:18:42.001 or two looking like the toddlerho's tole in before you 0:18:42.081 --> 0:18:43.921 recover your works and work out what else to do. 0:18:44.041 --> 0:18:46.281 I think one of the things underlying this, though, is 0:18:46.321 --> 0:18:49.321 that while it is now clear foot patrols have gone 0:18:49.361 --> 0:18:52.321 up around the country and that's a good thing in 0:18:52.361 --> 0:18:55.641 itself now because it helps people on the streets and 0:18:55.761 --> 0:19:00.841 retailers feel safer, and that's a good thing. But those 0:19:00.881 --> 0:19:04.721 police have come from somewhere, and presumably some of them 0:19:04.721 --> 0:19:07.201 at least have come from the thing that police spend 0:19:07.201 --> 0:19:09.041 a lot of their time doing which they are now 0:19:09.081 --> 0:19:13.401