1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:12,867 Speaker 1: from News Talks ed b Or. 3 00:00:12,947 --> 00:00:15,387 Speaker 2: The All Whites have played their final matches before the 4 00:00:15,427 --> 00:00:18,987 Speaker 2: squad is named for the FIFA World Cup starting in June. 5 00:00:19,587 --> 00:00:21,387 Speaker 1: All at the back of the six shard box again 6 00:00:21,787 --> 00:00:25,787 Speaker 1: waiting for this one. Here it comes. I've got the heads, 7 00:00:26,147 --> 00:00:26,907 Speaker 1: We'll drop here. 8 00:00:28,707 --> 00:00:40,227 Speaker 2: Wows done before for bed Way he took his chats 9 00:00:40,267 --> 00:00:45,067 Speaker 2: with a club and gifts the All Whites have four 10 00:00:45,507 --> 00:00:50,947 Speaker 2: roll here Chile now Yeah. A two years lost to 11 00:00:50,987 --> 00:00:54,147 Speaker 2: Finland and Eden Park last Friday was followed by a 12 00:00:54,227 --> 00:00:57,427 Speaker 2: four to one victory over Chile at the same venue 13 00:00:57,547 --> 00:01:01,587 Speaker 2: on Monday night. Head coach Darren Baisley is now facing 14 00:01:01,627 --> 00:01:04,947 Speaker 2: some of the toughest decisions of his career as he 15 00:01:05,107 --> 00:01:08,987 Speaker 2: narrows down his twenty six man squad for the upcoming 16 00:01:08,987 --> 00:01:11,827 Speaker 2: Football World Cup. Darren Basley with us on Weekend Sport. 17 00:01:11,867 --> 00:01:14,707 Speaker 2: You said, there and you probably learned more from the 18 00:01:14,787 --> 00:01:18,267 Speaker 2: loss to Finland than you did in the win over Chile. 19 00:01:18,387 --> 00:01:20,867 Speaker 2: So what were the biggest lessons that you took from 20 00:01:20,907 --> 00:01:22,867 Speaker 2: these two quite different performances. 21 00:01:23,747 --> 00:01:25,987 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, it was. It was a good window 22 00:01:25,987 --> 00:01:28,187 Speaker 3: in the end because of the way the games worked, 23 00:01:28,947 --> 00:01:32,707 Speaker 3: and we went into the Winbow really wanted tired of 24 00:01:33,507 --> 00:01:36,707 Speaker 3: performances and results together something you know that we hadn't done, 25 00:01:36,747 --> 00:01:38,587 Speaker 3: and we know at the World Cup we're going to 26 00:01:38,627 --> 00:01:40,747 Speaker 3: have to go back to back. So when we looked 27 00:01:40,787 --> 00:01:43,627 Speaker 3: at these games, you are still good teams, you know, European, 28 00:01:43,707 --> 00:01:46,747 Speaker 3: South American, higher ranked teams with good players. But we 29 00:01:46,867 --> 00:01:49,387 Speaker 3: really thought, you know, off the back of pretty strong 30 00:01:49,427 --> 00:01:53,587 Speaker 3: performances in Norway and Columbia game and even Poland away, 31 00:01:54,227 --> 00:01:56,707 Speaker 3: you know, these were games that we could really sort 32 00:01:56,707 --> 00:01:58,867 Speaker 3: of progress and show who we are. So the Friday 33 00:01:58,907 --> 00:02:01,667 Speaker 3: night game was disappointing. You know, the players came off, 34 00:02:02,067 --> 00:02:04,507 Speaker 3: they felt flat. You know, they were really disappointed that 35 00:02:04,507 --> 00:02:07,187 Speaker 3: they showed they didn't show the crowd of who they 36 00:02:07,227 --> 00:02:09,387 Speaker 3: were and you know how good a team they can be. 37 00:02:10,347 --> 00:02:14,187 Speaker 3: We had a really good meeting on the Saturday after 38 00:02:14,227 --> 00:02:18,947 Speaker 3: the game. You know, we're really reviewed again. You know, 39 00:02:18,987 --> 00:02:20,827 Speaker 3: there was there were certain things wrong, but there wasn't 40 00:02:20,907 --> 00:02:23,387 Speaker 3: like one thing that you could just go right if 41 00:02:23,427 --> 00:02:26,027 Speaker 3: we fix that, you know, that's why the performance was flat. 42 00:02:26,107 --> 00:02:29,747 Speaker 3: It was it really was just a slight mentality on 43 00:02:29,787 --> 00:02:33,427 Speaker 3: our defensive aspect. We weren't quite aggressive enough. We weren't 44 00:02:33,467 --> 00:02:36,787 Speaker 3: quite there when we needed to add pressure, you know, 45 00:02:36,827 --> 00:02:39,147 Speaker 3: and in possession we didn't didn't show enough courage you 46 00:02:39,147 --> 00:02:41,387 Speaker 3: know at times we you know, we didn't play the 47 00:02:41,427 --> 00:02:43,707 Speaker 3: way we have done over the previous games. So the players, 48 00:02:43,747 --> 00:02:45,507 Speaker 3: you know, we had a talk, We looked at a 49 00:02:45,507 --> 00:02:47,987 Speaker 3: lot of clips and it was great. You know. They 50 00:02:48,147 --> 00:02:51,907 Speaker 3: they were really accountable, did a lot of internal talking, 51 00:02:51,987 --> 00:02:54,427 Speaker 3: asked a lot of questions of each other, you know, 52 00:02:54,507 --> 00:02:57,227 Speaker 3: and came out of the meeting determined to you know, 53 00:02:57,507 --> 00:02:59,827 Speaker 3: not have that again and put that right on Monday 54 00:03:00,187 --> 00:03:03,267 Speaker 3: and moving forward. So, yeah, we felt the staff. Whilst 55 00:03:03,267 --> 00:03:06,867 Speaker 3: it wasn't ideal to lose on Friday, the action we 56 00:03:06,947 --> 00:03:11,507 Speaker 3: got and the real probably accountabuilding understanding that came from 57 00:03:11,547 --> 00:03:14,427 Speaker 3: within the playing group was great. You know. It's something 58 00:03:14,467 --> 00:03:16,867 Speaker 3: we've been really looking for some leaders to stand up 59 00:03:16,907 --> 00:03:20,667 Speaker 3: and yeah, and then on Monday we got exactly the 60 00:03:21,107 --> 00:03:23,627 Speaker 3: performance that we wanted, you know. It was it was 61 00:03:23,667 --> 00:03:26,787 Speaker 3: brighter from from the start. You know, we were more 62 00:03:26,787 --> 00:03:30,307 Speaker 3: aggressive defensively, more compact, you know, and in possession we 63 00:03:30,627 --> 00:03:32,347 Speaker 3: did we sh had a lot of courage and tried 64 00:03:32,347 --> 00:03:34,987 Speaker 3: to play out and we're better with that decision making, 65 00:03:35,947 --> 00:03:39,227 Speaker 3: it ended up a good evening on Monday, you know, 66 00:03:39,267 --> 00:03:42,307 Speaker 3: and I feel like even before the sending off, the 67 00:03:42,387 --> 00:03:44,427 Speaker 3: game was going that way and I follow we were 68 00:03:44,467 --> 00:03:47,547 Speaker 3: on top and it was a much more performance and 69 00:03:47,947 --> 00:03:51,747 Speaker 3: really did so the people who the players when they 70 00:03:51,787 --> 00:03:52,347 Speaker 3: play together. 71 00:03:52,867 --> 00:03:54,987 Speaker 2: That's a great summary of the two games. So as 72 00:03:55,027 --> 00:03:57,507 Speaker 2: you fear world your squad to the to the four 73 00:03:57,547 --> 00:04:00,787 Speaker 2: corners of the world. What were the main messages you 74 00:04:00,867 --> 00:04:03,227 Speaker 2: gave the team as they hit off, Now back to 75 00:04:03,267 --> 00:04:07,307 Speaker 2: their clubs and wait for or I guess continue to 76 00:04:07,347 --> 00:04:09,667 Speaker 2: show you that they're worth a place in the World 77 00:04:09,667 --> 00:04:10,267 Speaker 2: Cup squad. 78 00:04:11,467 --> 00:04:13,547 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean there was a few messages, you know, 79 00:04:13,587 --> 00:04:15,987 Speaker 3: one around the two games being you know, that was 80 00:04:16,027 --> 00:04:18,107 Speaker 3: an example of you know, what we can't do, and 81 00:04:18,187 --> 00:04:19,867 Speaker 3: that was a great example of what we need to 82 00:04:19,907 --> 00:04:25,787 Speaker 3: do and get together in regards to World Cup selection wise. Yeah, 83 00:04:25,827 --> 00:04:28,147 Speaker 3: the message was, you know, go back to your clubs, 84 00:04:28,187 --> 00:04:30,987 Speaker 3: stay fit, perform. We'll be watching. I'll stay in touch 85 00:04:31,027 --> 00:04:33,907 Speaker 3: with everybody, and you know, we're we're still a good 86 00:04:34,347 --> 00:04:37,027 Speaker 3: four or five weeks away from actually making those decisions. 87 00:04:37,027 --> 00:04:40,587 Speaker 3: So I think everybody had different aspects throughout the window, 88 00:04:40,667 --> 00:04:43,347 Speaker 3: on and off the pitch, you know, put themselves forward, 89 00:04:43,347 --> 00:04:45,707 Speaker 3: put themselves in a good position. That was the challenge 90 00:04:45,747 --> 00:04:47,627 Speaker 3: at the start of the window. I said to them, 91 00:04:47,907 --> 00:04:50,107 Speaker 3: you know, everyone who's in a different position. We all 92 00:04:50,147 --> 00:04:53,067 Speaker 3: know the people that are not here in regards to 93 00:04:53,107 --> 00:04:56,267 Speaker 3: those players that were unavailable for March. So but all 94 00:04:56,307 --> 00:04:58,547 Speaker 3: you can do is put us o in a position 95 00:04:58,627 --> 00:05:02,027 Speaker 3: where you put you make us have a tough conversation, 96 00:05:02,267 --> 00:05:04,107 Speaker 3: you know, in a couple of months, and some of 97 00:05:04,147 --> 00:05:04,827 Speaker 3: them have done that. 98 00:05:05,307 --> 00:05:08,747 Speaker 2: I was kind of asking, were there individuals who really 99 00:05:08,787 --> 00:05:11,547 Speaker 2: pushed their claims over this window. 100 00:05:12,787 --> 00:05:15,187 Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's there's there's game to gain, 101 00:05:15,267 --> 00:05:17,587 Speaker 3: you know, there's there's some differences in obviously the games 102 00:05:17,627 --> 00:05:21,987 Speaker 3: and who played certain things in pooftains. You know, someone 103 00:05:22,067 --> 00:05:27,347 Speaker 3: like the Friday he came on and really added a 104 00:05:27,347 --> 00:05:30,187 Speaker 3: spark in the second half. You know, Baylists came on 105 00:05:30,267 --> 00:05:34,307 Speaker 3: and looked sharp as well, and Jesse continued that form 106 00:05:34,307 --> 00:05:36,067 Speaker 3: into the Monday. But when you look through the squad 107 00:05:36,107 --> 00:05:38,907 Speaker 3: on Monday, I don't think you could really pull anybody 108 00:05:39,227 --> 00:05:41,907 Speaker 3: and say they were underpart. You know, everybody performed well 109 00:05:42,627 --> 00:05:45,787 Speaker 3: and put themselves in a great position. Friday was a 110 00:05:45,787 --> 00:05:49,467 Speaker 3: little bit different, you know, there was some some performances, 111 00:05:49,467 --> 00:05:52,827 Speaker 3: some interdeals and the team as a whole, but yeah, 112 00:05:52,867 --> 00:05:55,827 Speaker 3: they did that right, So sort of left the camp 113 00:05:55,867 --> 00:05:59,347 Speaker 3: on a good feeling and left themselves in a good position. 114 00:06:00,107 --> 00:06:02,907 Speaker 3: And so far as we apposed to be selected, had 115 00:06:02,947 --> 00:06:07,907 Speaker 3: really good good shot Jib and Samich is awesome, you know, 116 00:06:09,027 --> 00:06:12,627 Speaker 3: dependent and great. You know everybody, everybody had really good 117 00:06:12,707 --> 00:06:16,027 Speaker 3: runners throughout account. You know, the players that we expected too, 118 00:06:16,347 --> 00:06:18,667 Speaker 3: did you know, and some of the other players that 119 00:06:18,907 --> 00:06:22,627 Speaker 3: you know maybe around that sort of questionable sort of area, 120 00:06:22,747 --> 00:06:24,587 Speaker 3: then put themselves in a good position. 121 00:06:25,307 --> 00:06:29,147 Speaker 2: You can nine twenty six for the World Cup realistically 122 00:06:29,187 --> 00:06:32,147 Speaker 2: buys how many spots are still up for grabs. 123 00:06:33,227 --> 00:06:36,907 Speaker 3: Well with with fitness and availability, I suppose there's there's 124 00:06:37,307 --> 00:06:39,707 Speaker 3: quite a few programs. We've still got a number of 125 00:06:39,747 --> 00:06:43,547 Speaker 3: players that are currently injured, including Westwood and Living Catcher 126 00:06:43,627 --> 00:06:48,107 Speaker 3: and Boxer or Spree, So there's got sort of too 127 00:06:48,147 --> 00:06:51,747 Speaker 3: many in that sort of possion. But I think there 128 00:06:51,747 --> 00:06:55,227 Speaker 3: will be bad client pretty soon. Positive they were going 129 00:06:55,307 --> 00:06:57,387 Speaker 3: to be set for the World Cup. And these are 130 00:06:57,427 --> 00:07:00,467 Speaker 3: players if they are you know, they do get selected. 131 00:07:00,547 --> 00:07:02,747 Speaker 3: You know, they're there's some of our better players playing 132 00:07:02,747 --> 00:07:05,747 Speaker 3: in some of our highest environments around the world, and 133 00:07:05,827 --> 00:07:10,307 Speaker 3: we have pretty consistent with selections and that's important. You know, 134 00:07:10,347 --> 00:07:14,427 Speaker 3: we can't suddenly throw everything away as we get closer 135 00:07:14,427 --> 00:07:17,187 Speaker 3: to the to the big tournament. But you know, definitely 136 00:07:17,227 --> 00:07:21,227 Speaker 3: there's there's spaces. You know, there's definitely conversations on a 137 00:07:21,307 --> 00:07:24,467 Speaker 3: daily basis being had around you know, the makeup of 138 00:07:24,507 --> 00:07:27,827 Speaker 3: the squad, and you know it has last free spots, 139 00:07:28,907 --> 00:07:32,987 Speaker 3: bigger numbers than we've ever had most of Tunnel three. 140 00:07:34,107 --> 00:07:37,867 Speaker 3: So there's definitely some extra spaces available. And you know, 141 00:07:37,947 --> 00:07:41,907 Speaker 3: then we've we alsouddenly cover in every position, but then 142 00:07:42,147 --> 00:07:44,587 Speaker 3: these extra places, you know, we're how do we fill those? 143 00:07:44,627 --> 00:07:49,427 Speaker 3: We under players, We've experienced players with players that add 144 00:07:49,467 --> 00:07:52,267 Speaker 3: stuff off the pitch, and it goes to our culture 145 00:07:52,267 --> 00:07:55,187 Speaker 3: and our environment. Do we need back up in certain 146 00:07:55,187 --> 00:07:57,667 Speaker 3: positions and maybe some players are not fully fit and 147 00:07:57,707 --> 00:08:01,307 Speaker 3: we need extra backup as apart from just one sort 148 00:08:01,347 --> 00:08:04,347 Speaker 3: of reserve for each position. So yeah, there's lots going 149 00:08:04,387 --> 00:08:08,107 Speaker 3: on in the background to make up these sort of decisions. 150 00:08:08,147 --> 00:08:10,587 Speaker 3: We've got a selection criteria, the players have been sent 151 00:08:10,707 --> 00:08:16,347 Speaker 3: and then we're watching I suppose it is to performing 152 00:08:16,387 --> 00:08:19,667 Speaker 3: their club for the next and really put pressure on us. 153 00:08:20,187 --> 00:08:23,267 Speaker 2: How much do you wire up club form worth what 154 00:08:23,427 --> 00:08:27,387 Speaker 2: players have done previously for you in an all white shirt. 155 00:08:28,307 --> 00:08:30,867 Speaker 3: Well, when you look at the selection criterias, it's one 156 00:08:30,867 --> 00:08:34,067 Speaker 3: aspect of it. You know that there's there's eight criterias 157 00:08:34,347 --> 00:08:37,507 Speaker 3: that we sort of look at. You know, none of 158 00:08:37,507 --> 00:08:40,187 Speaker 3: them are the one factor, but you know, what they've 159 00:08:40,187 --> 00:08:43,267 Speaker 3: done for us previously in the last window, the last 160 00:08:43,267 --> 00:08:46,987 Speaker 3: six months windows, you know, is important. You know, coming 161 00:08:47,027 --> 00:08:49,987 Speaker 3: in and performing for New Zealand is important. Performing for 162 00:08:50,027 --> 00:08:53,987 Speaker 3: their clubs is important. You know, being fit and available 163 00:08:54,227 --> 00:08:56,667 Speaker 3: is or obviously important, you know, and what they bring 164 00:08:56,987 --> 00:08:59,107 Speaker 3: off the pitch is really important. So there's loads of 165 00:08:59,107 --> 00:09:03,507 Speaker 3: different aspects that go into these selections, and yeah, we 166 00:09:03,547 --> 00:09:06,827 Speaker 3: will be watching their club football, you know, and seeing 167 00:09:06,867 --> 00:09:12,907 Speaker 3: how they perform. And that's suppose get March it went away. 168 00:09:13,467 --> 00:09:17,507 Speaker 3: You know, he was revolved to in the Olympics, hit 169 00:09:17,627 --> 00:09:21,427 Speaker 3: great form, it was afecting results the popular league or 170 00:09:22,707 --> 00:09:25,107 Speaker 3: who's playing well, and yeah he got called up. And 171 00:09:25,787 --> 00:09:28,267 Speaker 3: you know there's still a month five weeks before selections 172 00:09:28,267 --> 00:09:30,427 Speaker 3: are made and people have got a lot of club games, 173 00:09:30,467 --> 00:09:33,707 Speaker 3: so you know, it's it's definitely possible people hit top 174 00:09:33,747 --> 00:09:37,067 Speaker 3: form and you know, come from I suppose not from nowhere, 175 00:09:37,067 --> 00:09:40,827 Speaker 3: because I'm not expecting anybody to come from nowhere now. 176 00:09:41,107 --> 00:09:43,987 Speaker 3: But you know there's that's two people that are have 177 00:09:44,107 --> 00:09:46,827 Speaker 3: been not involved all the time that could suddenly make 178 00:09:46,867 --> 00:09:47,787 Speaker 3: a really good run for it. 179 00:09:48,307 --> 00:09:51,707 Speaker 2: Did these two games help clarify your strongest starting eleven 180 00:09:52,027 --> 00:09:54,067 Speaker 2: or are there still a couple of positions up for 181 00:09:54,107 --> 00:09:55,107 Speaker 2: Grapes there as well. 182 00:09:56,427 --> 00:09:59,227 Speaker 3: I mean, with so many players unavailable for March, it 183 00:09:59,467 --> 00:10:02,307 Speaker 3: was a little bit different. I think this window gave 184 00:10:02,387 --> 00:10:07,747 Speaker 3: us options, you know, players you know, uh, there's some 185 00:10:07,827 --> 00:10:11,307 Speaker 3: of the players that are strong players weren't work with 186 00:10:11,387 --> 00:10:13,827 Speaker 3: us was camp. What we've got now is some really 187 00:10:13,867 --> 00:10:16,787 Speaker 3: good depth. You know, we see Ben Hold playing left back. 188 00:10:16,787 --> 00:10:18,427 Speaker 3: I thought he'd performed very well. I mean, he's been 189 00:10:18,427 --> 00:10:20,387 Speaker 3: doing that all year for his club, but that was 190 00:10:20,427 --> 00:10:23,427 Speaker 3: the first time we've looked at him there because of 191 00:10:23,467 --> 00:10:26,547 Speaker 3: the francist of Vere's injury, and I thought he performed 192 00:10:26,547 --> 00:10:29,307 Speaker 3: really well. So he now becomes a player that could 193 00:10:29,427 --> 00:10:31,507 Speaker 3: play there if need you know, does he put pressure 194 00:10:31,547 --> 00:10:34,907 Speaker 3: on Libby? We'll see, you know that when Libby is 195 00:10:34,907 --> 00:10:37,307 Speaker 3: fully fair, I think everybody knows how good a player 196 00:10:37,507 --> 00:10:39,507 Speaker 3: he is and how important he is for the All Whites. 197 00:10:40,027 --> 00:10:43,827 Speaker 3: But we've managed to, you know, play without some of 198 00:10:43,867 --> 00:10:46,667 Speaker 3: these players in recent windows and still perform to a 199 00:10:46,667 --> 00:10:48,907 Speaker 3: pretty high level and get results at times, you know, 200 00:10:48,987 --> 00:10:52,867 Speaker 3: not not consistently enough. But I think what we've got 201 00:10:52,907 --> 00:10:55,667 Speaker 3: now is, you know, we've got lots of good options. 202 00:10:55,867 --> 00:11:00,147 Speaker 3: We've got a lot of flexibility where players complain and 203 00:11:01,707 --> 00:11:06,827 Speaker 3: why or in the position at the fool players. It 204 00:11:06,867 --> 00:11:09,987 Speaker 3: does allow us down to threats as we get close 205 00:11:10,027 --> 00:11:11,627 Speaker 3: to the games, you know, there can be a real 206 00:11:11,707 --> 00:11:15,107 Speaker 3: form and confidence. You know, we can put somebody in 207 00:11:15,307 --> 00:11:17,467 Speaker 3: it and it won't really make the team dip, which 208 00:11:17,467 --> 00:11:18,787 Speaker 3: is which is a great place to be in. 209 00:11:19,627 --> 00:11:22,987 Speaker 2: How will you make your decision around starting goalkeeper? You've 210 00:11:22,987 --> 00:11:26,027 Speaker 2: got two terrific candidates and Max Crokam and Alex Paulson. 211 00:11:26,467 --> 00:11:28,987 Speaker 2: You gave them a game each in this window. How 212 00:11:29,027 --> 00:11:31,747 Speaker 2: will you make your decision come World Cup time? 213 00:11:32,747 --> 00:11:35,387 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's difficult. You know, they're both very good goalkeepers 214 00:11:35,467 --> 00:11:41,187 Speaker 3: but different. You can actually Nas and Sam attended ten 215 00:11:41,427 --> 00:11:44,427 Speaker 3: games and there isn't the top team seat keepers in 216 00:11:44,467 --> 00:11:46,827 Speaker 3: that day. But you know recently he's lost his place 217 00:11:47,307 --> 00:11:51,507 Speaker 3: and they played a goalkeeper, a good goalkeeper who's currently playing. 218 00:11:53,507 --> 00:11:55,587 Speaker 3: That's difficult for that, you know, because he had a 219 00:11:55,627 --> 00:12:00,907 Speaker 3: great run. Alex's back playing in poland's performing very well. 220 00:12:01,507 --> 00:12:03,947 Speaker 3: That's a really good level. But we have You're right, 221 00:12:03,987 --> 00:12:07,147 Speaker 3: we've got two very good goaltip places right now. We 222 00:12:07,267 --> 00:12:10,147 Speaker 3: don't have to make the decision. Well, what we had 223 00:12:10,187 --> 00:12:11,947 Speaker 3: planned at the start of this window was to give 224 00:12:11,987 --> 00:12:15,987 Speaker 3: them a game each and you know, unfortunately that we 225 00:12:16,027 --> 00:12:19,027 Speaker 3: would have done that back in November, but Alex was 226 00:12:19,027 --> 00:12:21,507 Speaker 3: injured and missed that thought. And Max played both camps 227 00:12:21,707 --> 00:12:24,307 Speaker 3: and played very well and look at the Columbia game. 228 00:12:24,987 --> 00:12:27,307 Speaker 3: So they've both had really good moments for the All Whites. 229 00:12:27,627 --> 00:12:30,107 Speaker 3: They've both had really good moments in their club form. 230 00:12:31,107 --> 00:12:34,187 Speaker 3: So we'll put that to the side for now. We 231 00:12:34,227 --> 00:12:35,947 Speaker 3: know we've got two number one and we've got a 232 00:12:35,947 --> 00:12:39,107 Speaker 3: whole load of other goalkeepers, you know, to fill that 233 00:12:39,187 --> 00:12:42,947 Speaker 3: sort of three very good capable goalkeepers. But we do 234 00:12:43,027 --> 00:12:46,387 Speaker 3: feel that Alex and maxa are fighting for that number 235 00:12:46,387 --> 00:12:46,867 Speaker 3: one position. 236 00:12:47,107 --> 00:12:49,427 Speaker 2: Ye, how do you then land on your third goalkeeper 237 00:12:49,467 --> 00:12:52,227 Speaker 2: because in all likelihood they're not going to play, So 238 00:12:52,307 --> 00:12:54,307 Speaker 2: do you then look at some of those other criteria 239 00:12:54,587 --> 00:12:56,747 Speaker 2: you mentioned about how they're going to fit in to 240 00:12:56,827 --> 00:12:58,347 Speaker 2: the squad, how they're going to be part of the 241 00:12:58,627 --> 00:13:02,827 Speaker 2: goalkeepers union that is so important inside a larger squad. 242 00:13:02,867 --> 00:13:05,227 Speaker 2: Do you look more at that or are you still 243 00:13:05,227 --> 00:13:08,667 Speaker 2: looking at a guy who, if he had to could play. 244 00:13:09,707 --> 00:13:12,387 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean pretty comfortable that if any of those 245 00:13:12,387 --> 00:13:15,587 Speaker 3: guys had to play, you know, we'd be comfortable with that. 246 00:13:15,667 --> 00:13:18,507 Speaker 3: You know. Of the last year of the Holy Sale 247 00:13:18,627 --> 00:13:20,467 Speaker 3: is the one that's out injured, you know, but we've 248 00:13:20,507 --> 00:13:23,427 Speaker 3: had Oli Sail and Nick Zanev. Obviously Michael Vaud came 249 00:13:23,467 --> 00:13:26,067 Speaker 3: in and this last tour case Sims, We've had in, 250 00:13:26,147 --> 00:13:29,587 Speaker 3: Henry Gray, We've had in We've had all of those 251 00:13:29,907 --> 00:13:32,587 Speaker 3: sort of goalkeepers in the environment. So we've sort of 252 00:13:32,627 --> 00:13:34,627 Speaker 3: got a good idea of how they fit in, what 253 00:13:34,747 --> 00:13:37,787 Speaker 3: they had on and off the pitch and training pitch. 254 00:13:38,667 --> 00:13:40,307 Speaker 3: We've watched them all in their club forms. You know, 255 00:13:41,107 --> 00:13:43,427 Speaker 3: they're very good goalkeepers and could go in if needed, 256 00:13:43,467 --> 00:13:46,707 Speaker 3: but the chances of that are pretty slim in regards 257 00:13:46,747 --> 00:13:50,507 Speaker 3: to a third choice goalkeeper playing. So yeah, lots of factors. Probably, 258 00:13:50,747 --> 00:13:54,027 Speaker 3: that's one position that is key that it's a really 259 00:13:54,067 --> 00:13:57,307 Speaker 3: good keen person. You know, there's a lot of work 260 00:13:57,387 --> 00:14:01,427 Speaker 3: that you know, taking the shots and let you know, 261 00:14:01,787 --> 00:14:05,347 Speaker 3: gipers have those moments of rest when needed. It's you know, 262 00:14:05,387 --> 00:14:08,827 Speaker 3: it's a tough position, but you know, comfortable all four 263 00:14:08,867 --> 00:14:10,827 Speaker 3: of them that we talked about there. And for shame 264 00:14:10,867 --> 00:14:13,907 Speaker 3: for Oli that he's not married able to compete with 265 00:14:13,947 --> 00:14:17,027 Speaker 3: those guys for that position. But yeah, it's another position 266 00:14:17,067 --> 00:14:19,707 Speaker 3: that's going to be a really tough one to call 267 00:14:19,747 --> 00:14:20,187 Speaker 3: in the end. 268 00:14:20,507 --> 00:14:22,347 Speaker 2: The other I want to ask you about was Tommy Smith. 269 00:14:22,747 --> 00:14:25,827 Speaker 2: He hasn't played for New Zealand since September of twenty 270 00:14:25,907 --> 00:14:28,947 Speaker 2: twenty four. He I think might even currently be injured, 271 00:14:28,947 --> 00:14:32,867 Speaker 2: but he's at a fifth tier UK club. Is Tommy 272 00:14:32,907 --> 00:14:35,147 Speaker 2: Smith in contention for your World Cup squad? 273 00:14:36,507 --> 00:14:42,307 Speaker 3: Yes he is. Yes, he's a loving confession. Tom's different. 274 00:14:43,067 --> 00:14:45,747 Speaker 3: You know, when you look at a squad of even 275 00:14:45,827 --> 00:14:48,467 Speaker 3: twenty three, it's very rare that, you know, twenty one, 276 00:14:48,507 --> 00:14:51,507 Speaker 3: twenty two, twenty three players actually play, you know, and 277 00:14:51,587 --> 00:14:54,627 Speaker 3: a World Cup squad with twenty six you know, twenty six, 278 00:14:54,707 --> 00:14:57,307 Speaker 3: twenty five, twenty four, let alone twenty three, twenty two, 279 00:14:57,307 --> 00:15:01,227 Speaker 3: twenty one potentially won't play. So some you know, with Tommy, 280 00:15:01,267 --> 00:15:03,707 Speaker 3: we do look and go okay, if you know, what 281 00:15:03,747 --> 00:15:06,107 Speaker 3: does he add or we look at this for all 282 00:15:06,107 --> 00:15:09,627 Speaker 3: player if they're not playing, can they affect the performance? Now, 283 00:15:09,787 --> 00:15:11,747 Speaker 3: what do they add? What do they contribute and add 284 00:15:11,787 --> 00:15:15,707 Speaker 3: to the environment and actually the result. And Tommy is 285 00:15:16,027 --> 00:15:18,467 Speaker 3: really good in that environment. You know, he is a 286 00:15:18,507 --> 00:15:21,507 Speaker 3: player that can help the team perform on the day 287 00:15:21,587 --> 00:15:24,827 Speaker 3: by not playing, if that makes sense. That doesn't mean 288 00:15:24,947 --> 00:15:27,227 Speaker 3: he's definitely going to get selected. You know, he still 289 00:15:27,267 --> 00:15:30,307 Speaker 3: needs to be able to perform and go in if needed. 290 00:15:30,347 --> 00:15:36,107 Speaker 3: Every player needs to be pretty but yeah, we do 291 00:15:36,307 --> 00:15:40,787 Speaker 3: for lots of different things. Tommy is has been for 292 00:15:40,787 --> 00:15:43,987 Speaker 3: a couple of years. You're really good in that leadership 293 00:15:45,107 --> 00:15:48,467 Speaker 3: no environment, helping players is the best way can be 294 00:15:48,667 --> 00:15:51,467 Speaker 3: which is you know, which is a help at times. 295 00:15:51,507 --> 00:15:56,907 Speaker 3: So yes, it's one that we'll keep talking about onations 296 00:15:56,907 --> 00:15:59,627 Speaker 3: with Tommy, you know. But also the players want to 297 00:15:59,667 --> 00:16:07,587 Speaker 3: be selected, so we've got the selections. We look we'll 298 00:16:07,587 --> 00:16:11,907 Speaker 3: put different importances on different players. You know, mostly is 299 00:16:11,987 --> 00:16:14,347 Speaker 3: about are you the best players? Can you go and 300 00:16:14,867 --> 00:16:17,787 Speaker 3: perform playing win games from New Zealand. That's the most 301 00:16:17,787 --> 00:16:20,467 Speaker 3: important criteria. But as you build a squad, you know 302 00:16:20,507 --> 00:16:23,107 Speaker 3: there's some there's some different needs I suppose in different 303 00:16:23,107 --> 00:16:25,427 Speaker 3: positions just to finish place. 304 00:16:25,467 --> 00:16:28,547 Speaker 2: You're going to name you twenty six and you're going 305 00:16:28,627 --> 00:16:32,747 Speaker 2: to you know, affect the career trajectories are some of 306 00:16:32,787 --> 00:16:36,027 Speaker 2: these players, you know, some who you pick and some 307 00:16:36,187 --> 00:16:39,867 Speaker 2: of who you aren't able to Does that weigh on you? 308 00:16:40,027 --> 00:16:43,427 Speaker 2: The responsibility of that, I guess, the gravity of the 309 00:16:43,427 --> 00:16:44,587 Speaker 2: decisions you're about to. 310 00:16:44,507 --> 00:16:48,507 Speaker 3: Make it, does you know? I'm conscious of that. You know, 311 00:16:48,547 --> 00:16:51,187 Speaker 3: it's such a decision. You know, we make a lot 312 00:16:51,187 --> 00:16:55,267 Speaker 3: of decisions all year round, squads and players and starting elevens, 313 00:16:55,547 --> 00:17:00,067 Speaker 3: you know, constantly having conversations with players, good conversations for 314 00:17:00,107 --> 00:17:03,267 Speaker 3: good news and prosslems when it's you know, a challenging 315 00:17:03,267 --> 00:17:06,507 Speaker 3: conversation whether they start the game or not. Flip in 316 00:17:06,587 --> 00:17:10,227 Speaker 3: a squad. But this is going to be tough all 317 00:17:10,227 --> 00:17:13,307 Speaker 3: events someone you know that everybody's sort of been gearing 318 00:17:13,347 --> 00:17:16,747 Speaker 3: towards over the last four years and the biggest event 319 00:17:16,787 --> 00:17:20,267 Speaker 3: in the world. So the concious of you know, the 320 00:17:20,347 --> 00:17:25,107 Speaker 3: decisions we makes, it's not just selection, but with Simon 321 00:17:25,147 --> 00:17:27,827 Speaker 3: Elliott and we've got that, you know, we have those 322 00:17:27,867 --> 00:17:32,747 Speaker 3: discussions and they keep me honest with making sure every 323 00:17:32,787 --> 00:17:37,347 Speaker 3: stone we call about, every reason about ever. So yeah, 324 00:17:37,387 --> 00:17:42,427 Speaker 3: we're definitely ensure that the process is thorough, honest, you know, 325 00:17:42,507 --> 00:17:46,427 Speaker 3: create communication to everybody. They might be some players are 326 00:17:46,467 --> 00:17:49,427 Speaker 3: not going to be happy, and that's that's difficult, but 327 00:17:50,147 --> 00:17:51,867 Speaker 3: you know, all we can do is be honest and 328 00:17:51,907 --> 00:17:55,507 Speaker 3: clear with them, and you know we've had conversations in 329 00:17:55,547 --> 00:17:58,667 Speaker 3: the past, but yeah, this is a bigger, a bigger moment. 330 00:17:59,707 --> 00:18:02,467 Speaker 2: That's kind of when will you name your squad? Have 331 00:18:02,467 --> 00:18:03,427 Speaker 2: you got a date in mind? 332 00:18:04,667 --> 00:18:08,467 Speaker 3: Not a concern, Yeah, but you know, actually they don't 333 00:18:08,547 --> 00:18:11,547 Speaker 3: have playing the World Cup after the journey indow so 334 00:18:11,627 --> 00:18:15,187 Speaker 3: some countries, I'm sure the big squads to the Germans 335 00:18:16,067 --> 00:18:18,027 Speaker 3: period just before the World Cup and then make some 336 00:18:18,107 --> 00:18:21,387 Speaker 3: selections after that window. And that way we do that 337 00:18:21,507 --> 00:18:23,747 Speaker 3: we all know in our World Cup squad earlier and 338 00:18:23,987 --> 00:18:27,867 Speaker 3: going to the junior our World Cups. I think that's fairer. 339 00:18:27,987 --> 00:18:29,987 Speaker 3: I think it's a big enough squad to not have 340 00:18:30,107 --> 00:18:33,827 Speaker 3: to carry people to make decisions. You know, even if 341 00:18:33,867 --> 00:18:36,227 Speaker 3: we've still got some maybe slight injuries that you know, 342 00:18:36,267 --> 00:18:37,947 Speaker 3: we know are going to be fit for the World Cup. 343 00:18:39,187 --> 00:18:41,347 Speaker 3: Having a squad of twenty six is big enough to 344 00:18:41,507 --> 00:18:44,307 Speaker 3: sort of carry that. So we will make some decisions 345 00:18:44,347 --> 00:18:47,747 Speaker 3: probably middle of May. We'll get some dates confirmed soon 346 00:18:47,827 --> 00:18:49,867 Speaker 3: and get that out to the players and the media 347 00:18:50,347 --> 00:18:52,827 Speaker 3: so everybody knows roughly when this is all going to happen. 348 00:18:53,907 --> 00:18:55,907 Speaker 2: Well, let's ay, I was going to say exciting time, 349 00:18:56,027 --> 00:18:58,987 Speaker 2: challenging time as well for you, I'm sure both things. Space. 350 00:18:59,067 --> 00:19:02,027 Speaker 2: Congratulations on the recent window, in particular the winner the Chili. 351 00:19:02,107 --> 00:19:04,427 Speaker 2: Thanks for chatting has always look forwards, to look forward 352 00:19:04,427 --> 00:19:07,427 Speaker 2: to staying in touches as your as your World Cup 353 00:19:07,467 --> 00:19:09,747 Speaker 2: squad selection becomes becomes confirmed. 354 00:19:09,867 --> 00:19:11,507 Speaker 3: Thanks planning, Thanks gets up soon. 355 00:19:11,547 --> 00:19:14,067 Speaker 2: No good to chat Darren, Thanks indeed Darren basally their 356 00:19:14,107 --> 00:19:17,947 Speaker 2: apologies for the slightly dodgy phone line at times during 357 00:19:17,987 --> 00:19:20,667 Speaker 2: that chat. I'm not sure where where was maybe a 358 00:19:20,667 --> 00:19:22,707 Speaker 2: way for Easter, but I think we've got the gist 359 00:19:22,747 --> 00:19:24,827 Speaker 2: of it, the main gist of it, our apologies for 360 00:19:25,267 --> 00:19:29,027 Speaker 2: a slightly dodgy phone line there. So I think the 361 00:19:29,027 --> 00:19:32,467 Speaker 2: main takeaways are that there are still spots up for grabs. 362 00:19:33,627 --> 00:19:36,547 Speaker 2: I kind of reckon most football fans could write down 363 00:19:37,747 --> 00:19:41,787 Speaker 2: twenty two, twenty three of the twenty six. I've given 364 00:19:41,827 --> 00:19:42,107 Speaker 2: this a go. 365 00:19:42,267 --> 00:19:42,627 Speaker 3: I reckon. 366 00:19:42,707 --> 00:19:45,507 Speaker 2: I mean I've tried. I've written what I would suggest 367 00:19:45,507 --> 00:19:47,947 Speaker 2: would be the twenty six man squad. Maybe we can 368 00:19:47,947 --> 00:19:50,827 Speaker 2: talk about that another day, but still time for players 369 00:19:50,867 --> 00:19:53,027 Speaker 2: to push their case as they go back to their 370 00:19:53,027 --> 00:19:55,547 Speaker 2: clubs now and look to play well for the rest 371 00:19:55,587 --> 00:19:57,867 Speaker 2: of their club seasons or the next little bit of 372 00:19:57,867 --> 00:20:01,747 Speaker 2: it before Darren Basley confirms his All Whites World Cup 373 00:20:01,787 --> 00:20:03,747 Speaker 2: squad in the middle of May. 374 00:20:04,627 --> 00:20:07,787 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Mason Fine, listen live 375 00:20:07,907 --> 00:20:11,187 Speaker 1: to news talks at B weekends from midday, or follow 376 00:20:11,227 --> 00:20:12,827 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.