1
00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,880
Speaker 1: Morning, seven past seven. So it looks like the government's

2
00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:03,840
Speaker 1: winning on the crime front. These new stats from the

3
00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,440
Speaker 1: Victims of Crime Survey show the goal of reducing victims

4
00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,039
Speaker 1: by twenty thousands been beaten. They look to be twenty

5
00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,280
Speaker 1: eight thousand fewer victims, although I'm reading something else it

6
00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,120
Speaker 1: gives me another number. But anyway, that's why we've got

7
00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,080
Speaker 1: Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith who's with us. Very good morning

8
00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:16,319
Speaker 1: to you.

9
00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:17,639
Speaker 2: Good morning.

10
00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,400
Speaker 1: So we're quoting twenty eight thousand fewer victims, which is

11
00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,079
Speaker 1: a win, but I've got the paperwork in front of

12
00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,279
Speaker 1: me that says thirty four thousand fewer victims. Do we

13
00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,160
Speaker 1: know what the number is or doesn't matter. We're just winning.

14
00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,520
Speaker 1: So therefore that's the main point.

15
00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:32,040
Speaker 2: Well, it's twenty eight thousand since October twenty three when

16
00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:33,920
Speaker 2: the government came in, and that's when that was the

17
00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,720
Speaker 2: baseline for the figure. So we wanted to reduce the

18
00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,000
Speaker 2: overall number of victims of crime by twenty thousand from

19
00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:41,880
Speaker 2: that figure that it was, which was one hundred and

20
00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,519
Speaker 2: eighty five thousand New Zealanders a year of being victims

21
00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,160
Speaker 2: of violent crime. So rather than twenty we've gone down

22
00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:52,040
Speaker 2: twenty eight, which is very encouraging, and it's good news

23
00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,080
Speaker 2: that we promise to restore law and order and we're

24
00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,960
Speaker 2: making good progress on that, recognizing you know, this is

25
00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,840
Speaker 2: a whole community wide thing that's going on.

26
00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:01,840
Speaker 1: Well, I was going to say in Canterbury there's a

27
00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,600
Speaker 1: forty three percent decrease fifteen thousand fewer victims in Canterbury alone.

28
00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,080
Speaker 1: Can we explain any of this?

29
00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:14,000
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that there's obviously variations down different parts.

30
00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,800
Speaker 2: Canterbury obviously making good progress. That there was a lot

31
00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,520
Speaker 2: of violent crime and it comes and goes in cycles

32
00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:25,560
Speaker 2: to some degree. But I think fundamentally the signal that

33
00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,759
Speaker 2: we've been sending as a government has been very clear

34
00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,360
Speaker 2: right from the start. You know, you've got to remember,

35
00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,760
Speaker 2: for about five years, the previous government was all about,

36
00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,160
Speaker 2: you know, don't worry, it's somebody else's fault if you're

37
00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:41,279
Speaker 2: doing this, a culture of excuses, we're focusing on reducing

38
00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,039
Speaker 2: the prison population, all this sort of stuff, and we

39
00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,160
Speaker 2: came in very clearly saying no, no, no, no, there

40
00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,520
Speaker 2: is no somebody else to blame. People have got to

41
00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,920
Speaker 2: be personally accountable for this. We're not going to be

42
00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,560
Speaker 2: talking about all that and our focus on is reducing

43
00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,680
Speaker 2: the number of victims of crime. That's what we've got

44
00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,320
Speaker 2: to folks, the system on and it's paying dividends. But yes,

45
00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:04,520
Speaker 2: obviously you've got a lot of work to do.

46
00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,360
Speaker 1: Well, I was going to say, because what you appear

47
00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,840
Speaker 1: to have done is get the cops back on the beat.

48
00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:10,720
Speaker 1: All of that's good, and you've got a sense in

49
00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,520
Speaker 1: the community that people feel safe. We've seen that from surveys.

50
00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,040
Speaker 1: But a lot of the work that you want to

51
00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,040
Speaker 1: do in justice is yet to actually pass the House,

52
00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,280
Speaker 1: the discounting and all that sort of stuff in the courts.

53
00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,920
Speaker 1: So this could be even more effective by the time

54
00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:25,919
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever, get to the election next year

55
00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:26,480
Speaker 1: for example.

56
00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,800
Speaker 2: Well we hope. So, yes, we've passed the three strikes legislation,

57
00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,560
Speaker 2: we're passed the tougher sentencing regime, but they take effect

58
00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,760
Speaker 2: from June. So yes, that'll have a bigger impact because

59
00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,040
Speaker 2: you you know, thinking about it logically, if you want

60
00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,839
Speaker 2: to reduce the number of victims of crime, the best

61
00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,560
Speaker 2: place to start is that very small group of New

62
00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,280
Speaker 2: Zealanders who are creating multiple victims and putting them in

63
00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,600
Speaker 2: prison getting them out of circulation. So they're not creating

64
00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,160
Speaker 2: new victims and so that will continue. There's obviously been

65
00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,760
Speaker 2: an increase in the prison population, significant one since we

66
00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,240
Speaker 2: came into power, and that's that's appropriate because we've got

67
00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:02,560
Speaker 2: to get on top of the situation.

68
00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,360
Speaker 1: Good stuff. Appreciate it. Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith more with

69
00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,160
Speaker 1: Marke Mitchell, Police Minister after eight in his regular slot

70
00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,760
Speaker 1: of course, just on those numbers. So there's still one

71
00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,160
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty seven thousand victims of violent crime, which

72
00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,160
Speaker 1: is a lot of people, but it's thirty four thousand down,

73
00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,359
Speaker 1: eighteen percent decrease and as I mentioned Canterbury, that's a

74
00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,320
Speaker 1: good news story. Auckland in particular has had a very

75
00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,520
Speaker 1: big decrease eleven thousand pure victims in Auckland nineteen percent decrease.

76
00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,600
Speaker 1: Why Kato's, as far as I can work out, it's

77
00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,040
Speaker 1: the only region that's actually gone up. There's more violent

78
00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,440
Speaker 1: crime and whycatter So I'm not sure what that's about.

79
00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,800
Speaker 1: But watching that press conference yesterday with Goldsmith, Mitchell and

80
00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,440
Speaker 1: lux and I thought Mitchell made a very good point

81
00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,320
Speaker 1: just on the gang patches because everyone goes, oh, it's

82
00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,440
Speaker 1: not going to work, and it has worked and We

83
00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,040
Speaker 1: had a cop on the show the other day said

84
00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,560
Speaker 1: it surprised her that it had worked, but there seems

85
00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,480
Speaker 1: no doubt. And what it was is vibes. Basically, it's

86
00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,480
Speaker 1: a government saying don't dick with us, or else you're

87
00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,880
Speaker 1: in trouble. And the gangs, as Mark put it in

88
00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,200
Speaker 1: the press conference yesterday, no longer staunch up and they

89
00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,320
Speaker 1: go to places like hospitals and stuff because they're not

90
00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,800
Speaker 1: wearing a patch. They're not feeling as cool as they

91
00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,160
Speaker 1: used to, and they're not making big dicks of themselves

92
00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:08,960
Speaker 1: the way they used to. And things have settled down

93
00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,960
Speaker 1: and all it takes is a bit of leadership and

94
00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,400
Speaker 1: a belief that you mean what you say. Simple a

95
00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:15,680
Speaker 1: eleven past seven.

96
00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,080
Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to

97
00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,239
Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow

98
00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:23,840
Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio