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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: The IPCA report has just dropped. It's going to be

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Speaker 2: read by reporters who will tell us what's in it.

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Speaker 2: We have got some more information that has just come

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Speaker 2: out on geevmcskimming. It's been revealed that our highest ranking

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Speaker 2: police officers actually ignored anonymous allegations that Gevim mcskimming was

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Speaker 2: a sexual predator. The Herald investigative reporter Jared Savage is

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Speaker 2: with men ow Hey, Jared, Hi, Heather, Okay, how did

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Speaker 2: these warnings come to the police.

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Speaker 1: So just a bit of background. Gem mcskimming, Deputy commissioner,

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Speaker 1: was in a sexual relationship with a much younger woman.

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Speaker 1: He was forty, she was twenty one. For whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: that relationship broke down and she started sending emails in

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Speaker 1: to the police and politicians and newsrooms essentially accusing him

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Speaker 1: of being a sexual predator, dreaming her things like that.

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Speaker 1: So lots of emails coming in, and instead of investigating

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Speaker 1: those emails, which we're kind of incoherent in some parts,

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Speaker 1: the police chose to instead prosecute her under the Harmful

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Speaker 1: Digital Communication z Act. So here's a woman sending an

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Speaker 1: email saying, hey, this person making serious allegations against the

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Speaker 1: second most powerful police officer in the country. Instead of

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Speaker 1: investigating those allegations, they prosecuted her with essentially digital harassment,

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Speaker 1: a campaign to discredit him before he applied for the

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Speaker 1: Commissioner of Police job last year, and it was all

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Speaker 1: completely suppressed and nobody knew about it until right.

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Speaker 2: Now because he was maintaining it was an effort to

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Speaker 2: undermine to end his career, Basically, wasn't it. Which point

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Speaker 2: did Andrew Costa, who was then the top cop, become

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Speaker 2: aware of it.

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Speaker 1: We believe that Andrew Costa was aware of the existence

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Speaker 1: of the affair when he became the police commissioner. Jeevn

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Speaker 1: mcskimming disclosed that to him, but perhaps not all the

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Speaker 1: details around the age discrepancy and the fact that mc

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Speaker 1: skimming lady got her a job and the police essentially

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Speaker 1: they've just accepted mc skimming's version of a this was

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Speaker 1: an extra extra marital affair that went wrong and now

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Speaker 1: this woman's out to get revenge. There seems to be

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Speaker 1: a lack of action to actually investigate to see whether

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Speaker 1: or not there was some substance to these allegations, and

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Speaker 1: that didn't happen until after the Commissioner of other commission

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Speaker 1: of a police appointment took place sort of October November

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Speaker 1: last year.

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Speaker 2: Jared, the IPCA report has just dropped. One of the

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Speaker 2: things is this is what it says. When Police referred

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Speaker 2: the matter to the IPCA in October last year, the

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Speaker 2: then Commissioner Andrew Costa attempted to influence the nature and

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Speaker 2: extent of the investigation and the time frame for his completion.

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Speaker 2: These attempts were perceived by some others within Police as

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Speaker 2: designed to bring the investigation to a rapid and premature

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Speaker 2: conclusion so as not to intersect with the commissioner appointment

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Speaker 2: process and jeopardize Mcskimming's prospects of being appointed as the

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Speaker 2: next Commissioner of Police. Were you aware of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's sort of the gist of we were sort

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Speaker 1: of operating off sources for this initial Sorry that we dropped,

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Speaker 1: But to hear the IPCA say it in such dark

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Speaker 1: terms basically crystallizes the entire issue with what happened here.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't really about the substance of the allegations. It's

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Speaker 1: about how it's been handled. They've done it in a

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Speaker 1: way to protect mix Skimming. As he went ahead for

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Speaker 1: that top job and prevent essentially Richard Chambers from coming

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Speaker 1: and taking over. This is an astonishing This is an

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Speaker 1: astonishing IPCA report. I've never seen anything quite like it.

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Speaker 1: And the repercussions and that will float out of this

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Speaker 1: will carry on for some time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah quite Jared, Thanks very much appreciated. Jared Savage, the

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Speaker 2: Herald's investigative reporter. There's this as well. In twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: while a member of the interview panel for the Statutory

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Speaker 2: Deputy Commision appointment process, Andrew Costa failed to disclose to

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Speaker 2: the Public Service Commission his knowledge of GeV MCX Skimming's relationship,

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Speaker 2: which had subsequently led to the email's alleging this conduct.

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Speaker 2: This failure clearly fell below what a reasonable person would

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Speaker 2: have expected of a person in his position. Consequently, Andrew

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Speaker 2: Costa's disclosure to the Public Service Commission on eight October

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Speaker 2: last year during the Interim Commissioner appointment process also fell

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Speaker 2: well short of what a reasonable person would have expected

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Speaker 2: given what he knew at the time. I would Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to really enjoy seeing whether Andrew Costa actually

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Speaker 2: survives this or not, because this is undermining him in

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Speaker 2: a big way I would have thought. For more from

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