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Speaker 2: Ed B while you welcome today the vote, how it unfolded,

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Speaker 2: what it means where we go locally? We got the

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Speaker 2: Finance Minister on the job numbers they came out yesterday

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Speaker 2: as well. Jeremy Kenna is in Italy and Rod Lidtle

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Speaker 3: Just a little bit of history, Red Lasky.

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Speaker 2: Right, let's get into it. Seven past six. I tell

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Speaker 2: you what the best thing about the result is you

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Speaker 2: can't argue with it, right, Yeah, you can hate it,

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Speaker 2: but you can't argue with it. To win, not just

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Speaker 2: the college but the popular vote gives the result a

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Speaker 2: legitimacy that is rock solid. As I said yesterday, it's

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Speaker 2: hard to know what the bigger deal is, a Trump

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Speaker 2: victory or a Harris defeat. I mean how they will

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Speaker 2: ask themselves, is it possible with all their money, all

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Speaker 2: their incumbency, all the endorsements, can they lose to that?

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Speaker 2: The answer, of course is obvious. That's not the point.

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Speaker 2: The point is whether they will ever be able to

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Speaker 2: bring themselves to see it. The lack of planning post

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Speaker 2: Biden was astonishing. You wonder whether an Obama who wanted

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Speaker 2: a contested race as opposed to a coronation was right

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Speaker 2: or would it have made no difference Biden had done

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Speaker 2: the irreparable damage. Demography does not lead to democracy was

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Speaker 2: a Kelly and Conway line I liked yesterday. In other words,

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Speaker 2: and expecting them to act like sheep as a path

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Speaker 2: to nowhere. Why don't they get that there is a

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Speaker 2: lesson there for this country to an our debate a

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Speaker 2: un mara as a message. It's almost like America didn't

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Speaker 2: realize what they had in Trump last time, or maybe

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Speaker 2: COVID in the economy was all they really cared about,

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Speaker 2: and the carnage that they're living through is so great.

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Speaker 2: They just want better times. If there was a consistent

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Speaker 2: line I heard over and over and over, it was

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Speaker 2: I was richer under Trump. I mean, that's uniquely American

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Speaker 2: when you think about it, you would never hear those

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Speaker 2: words in New Zealand. I was richer under Key, I

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Speaker 2: was richer under Luxeen. How do you explain young people?

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Speaker 2: I mean, Harris underperformed everywhere New York, for God's sake,

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Speaker 2: they hate them, apparently indicte them, and then vote for

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Speaker 2: them and increase numbers. Speaking of it's what happens to

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Speaker 2: us legal wise? And how mad does that all get?

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Speaker 2: How about the Iowa poll from the Seltzer group that

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Speaker 2: we fell over. Yes, it was an outlier, clearly, and

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Speaker 2: these poles, I mean, although the remaining states will probably

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Speaker 2: go the way we think they are close as predicted.

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Speaker 2: As I also said yesterday, you've got to admire the

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Speaker 2: force of nature. He is. He is a lesson in

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Speaker 2: being unrelenting. For all the madness, dishonesty and illegality, he

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Speaker 2: overcame it, not once but twice. They will study it

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Speaker 2: for years and try and make sense of it. Or

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Speaker 2: maybe they already have made sense of it. And it's

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Speaker 2: uniquely American, and it's us that thinks it's odd either way, clean, clear, unambiguous,

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Speaker 2: show stopping, possibly gobsmacking, and the prospect of four years

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Speaker 2: of who knows what you would like to think? Given

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Speaker 2: the campaign was slicker this time, much slicker. The presidency

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Speaker 2: will be slicker this time as well. Little bit of

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Speaker 2: legacy in the back of their minds. Let's see buckle.

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Speaker 2: He had to write into the early owls, but he

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Speaker 2: got there. On the night, it's so clear that we've

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Speaker 2: achieved the most incredible political They look, what happened? Is

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Speaker 4: But it's a political victory that our country has never

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Speaker 4: seen before.

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Speaker 5: Nothing like this.

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Speaker 2: Up the coast in Washington a little bit earlier on

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Speaker 2: the night, it was twenty sixteen, o liber again, as

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Speaker 5: We will continue overnight to fight to make sure that every.

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Speaker 6: Vote is counted, that every voice has spoken.

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Speaker 7: So you won't hear.

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Speaker 5: From the vice president tonight.

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Speaker 2: In the so called blue Wall. All thy finals in

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Speaker 2: some places on't And yet they decided they like rid again.

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Speaker 8: The union guys, and I'm talking about hard coal truckers,

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Speaker 8: coal miners, steel workers, at least half, at least half

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Speaker 8: who have voted Democrat their entire lives, voted for Trump

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Speaker 8: this time.

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Speaker 2: DIM's already rolling out the predictable as why they lost.

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Speaker 9: You know, it was a hard charge for an African

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Speaker 2: The markets through the roof will check the numbers with

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Speaker 2: Andrew shortly, but Elon got on board and Elon is winning.

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Speaker 10: One of the things it suggests is that if you

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Speaker 10: have enough money to be able to give to a

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Speaker 10: campaign or an American political leader, that that gets you access.

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Speaker 2: Well it does on the street. You got your winners.

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Speaker 2: You'd like you to lose this.

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Speaker 11: We don't mean another former years a higher pleas guys

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Speaker 11: prices lying.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I don't want an autocrat.

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Speaker 13: I don't want someone who is convicted of a felon.

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Speaker 2: Finally, truth social it was a huge bit if you

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Speaker 2: it was worthless. Well when it got to Sebity last

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Speaker 2: day at the bank. Here's the world in ninety seconds. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: bitcoin seventy five thousand. That's going to be interesting to

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Speaker 2: watch because he's all pro bitcoin. Dow is off to

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Speaker 2: the races. Musk is worth twelve billion more this morning

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Speaker 2: than he was yesterday, and so it goes. Twelve past six.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna hear from Harris at ten o'clock this morning,

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Speaker 2: New Zealand time, where she will officially concede. She's reached

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Speaker 2: out to Trump. Trump's not taking a call. Soul is tanking.

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Speaker 2: feeling like in the Ukraine. So a lot to play for.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen past six from Jami Wealth Andrew Keller. Her good morning, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: very good morning, man. Big are those numbers on the dow?

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Speaker 14: Oh my gosh. Well we wanted certainty, didn't we?

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Speaker 3: US share markets are higher, US interest rates are higher,

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Speaker 14: I'm looking at Europe. There's no green numbers there.

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Speaker 14: But Hong Kong, China, they're they're down.

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Speaker 3: This Dow Jones it's up one thousand, three hundred and

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Speaker 3: fifty points. That's a three point one nine percent game,

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Speaker 3: other act classes Mike US treasured yeals, they've spiked higher.

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Speaker 14: Still looking like a twenty five basis point cut.

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Speaker 3: But I think what you've got now is heightened uncertainty

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Speaker 14: Bitcoin surged. How will it affect our markets this morning?

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Speaker 3: have to revisit the markets again tomorrow morning, mart just

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Speaker 3: to see, let the volatility subside and understand, you know

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Speaker 3: where the long term trends are going.

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Speaker 2: To go from here. Fascinating though, Nichola willis with us

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Speaker 2: up to seven o'clock. That job number better than expected,

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Speaker 2: so signs.

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Speaker 3: Of life though. It's interesting. Yeah, this is the unemployment

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Speaker 3: positive surprise. You've got to look at the detail, though,

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Speaker 3: and the arbien s Head was suspecting five percent. So

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Speaker 3: four point six percent unemployment seems like a great outcome.

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Speaker 3: Look through the numbers, though the labor market is still

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Speaker 3: softening employment the flip side of unemployment, employment actually fell,

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Speaker 3: to one locking that puzzle is the participation rate, Mike.

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Speaker 3: The participation rate fell from seventy one point seven percent

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Speaker 3: seventy one point two. What that means less work, you know,

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Speaker 3: is what's called the discouraged worker effect, where people just

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Speaker 14: Wages.

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Speaker 2: It'd be Monie Mike, Trump's winners. A continuation of what's

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Speaker 2: That the one I subscribe to each and every time

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Speaker 2: Happened here, happened in America, Mike, wasn't yesterday a great

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Speaker 2: you think our media will take heat? Answer? No, Mike.

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Speaker 2: This was a Democratic Party loss more than a Trump

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Speaker 2: on that. John. I hear what you're saying, because it

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Speaker 2: Well, you can't talk about the boat without talking about

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Speaker 2: the media. America divided. Of course, the media divided. This

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Speaker 16: My humble view, lights out, I think it's going to

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Speaker 12: Actually, I don't think it's going to be a close race.

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Speaker 9: I think there are going to be those Republicans.

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Speaker 5: That just vote for Harris to be tied on election day.

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Speaker 5: As always, the polls will be tied and then he'll lose.

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Speaker 17: You call us trash.

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Speaker 16: Oh oh oh, Jamie Vance, you just stepped up in

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Speaker 5: I would say, take Harris over two hundred and seventy

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Speaker 5: electoral vote. Let these foods in these crypto markets do something.

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Speaker 5: Let them drive the betting line into a favorable place.

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Speaker 5: And then take advantage of I think she's going to win.

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Speaker 14: It's a month you wrote Trump is toast.

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Speaker 7: You stand behind that today.

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Speaker 5: Oh even more so, I feel the same way that

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Speaker 2: Kelly and Conway waden.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I personally like to thank the women of the

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Speaker 2: And this quote from the Newsroom television show going viral.

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Speaker 15: You know why people don't like liberals because they lose if.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Kelly and Conway was a highlight. I got to say,

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Speaker 2: It is so so impressive. Thomas Coglin is in the

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Speaker 2: Vote, but from a UK perspective, Kimmi Bednock, who's the

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Speaker 9: The Prime Minister and the Foreign Secretary met him in September.

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Speaker 9: And if he did not apologize, well the Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: with there's Thomas morning, Good morning, mate, and've been there

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Speaker 2: and felt your pain in twenty sixteen. You just wait

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Speaker 2: On seeing it in twenty sixteen, they couldn't believe it

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Speaker 20: I think I.

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Speaker 19: Think you're right.

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Speaker 7: I actually do.

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Speaker 19: I think they had they do realize that they need.

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Speaker 19: I don't think what is what is What has you know,

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Speaker 2: You surprised yesterday, Thomas, I mean, you've been around bits

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Speaker 19: And everyone would say that to Democrats, Republicans, people who

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Speaker 19: years ago, so you know, I'm going to take the

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Speaker 19: box good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Trouble Well might appreciate it. Thomas Cogglan, New Zealand Herald,

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Speaker 2: Deputy political editor. It is the classic line. Is the

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Speaker 2: country going on the right path in the right direct

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Speaker 2: if the answers note, you change the government nineteen minutes

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Speaker 2: away from seven game. So he got the Senate, they

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Speaker 2: will most likely hold the House, so it is the trifecta.

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Speaker 2: The question is can they do business?

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Speaker 17: Mitch McConnell, Well, I think this shifting to a Republican

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Speaker 17: Senate majority helps her control the guardrails to keep people

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Speaker 17: who want to change the rules in order to achieve

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Speaker 17: something they think is worthwhile is not successful, and so

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Speaker 17: I think the filibuster is very secure.

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Speaker 2: He's come to life, hasn't he. We're sick of old people.

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Speaker 2: For goodness.

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Speaker 15: He was just absolutely physical.

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Speaker 2: Not generally, but I mean, god, there must be a

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Speaker 2: lesson about age and energy. I mean, so whatever you

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Speaker 2: want about Trump is full of energy. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: by the time you deal with McConnell, and but the

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Speaker 2: time you deal with Biden, I mean goodness. Eighteen minutes

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Speaker 2: away from seven.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 1: by News Talk Zippi.

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Speaker 2: Michael, like Trump and is teriff policy is going to

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Speaker 2: hurt New Zealand, no question about. That's going to make

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Speaker 2: life harder for a free trading nation. The days of

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Speaker 2: free traders have said for the last couple of days. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: the last couple of years. Unfortunately, the days of free trade,

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Speaker 2: true free trade are I think coming to a close.

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Speaker 2: The world is increasingly isolationist.

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Speaker 5: Mike.

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Speaker 2: If life was better four years ago, then why did

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Speaker 2: America boot Trump out? Then? The answer to that is,

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Speaker 2: you don't know what you've got till it's gone. Six

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Speaker 2: forty five.

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace of mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business McKenna.

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Speaker 2: Morning, good money man. I would imagine the Trump news

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Speaker 2: is reasonably good for Salvini, for Maloney, for your for

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Speaker 2: your right leaners, and that particular part of the world

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Speaker 2: of yours.

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Speaker 20: Well.

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Speaker 16: Trump's victory will be on the top of the agenda

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Speaker 16: tomorrow when European leaders meet in Budapest. We've seen plenty

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Speaker 16: of hearty congratulations, as you might have seen from the

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Speaker 16: Italian Prime Minister Georgia Maloney, French President Emmanuel Macron and

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Speaker 16: some of the other leaders. But there's really a great

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Speaker 16: deal of fear and nervousness now here about what this

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Speaker 16: means for transatlantic relations, the future of Ukraine, NATO defense,

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Speaker 16: and a looming tariff trade war, the factors that most

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Speaker 16: concerned these leaders.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, they got a lot on their hands, the

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Speaker 2: war and of Trump's good to his word, the money

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Speaker 2: taps off. What does NATO do about that?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, well, even before we knew about the Trump victory,

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Speaker 16: Mark Ruta, the Secretary General of NATO, and Italian Prime

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Speaker 16: Minister Georgia Maloney met in Rome this week. They looked

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Speaker 16: pretty chummy, but they looked I think behind the scenes

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Speaker 16: they're quite nervous the future of this NATO alliance because

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Speaker 16: Trump was so aggressive about not wanting to get involved

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Speaker 16: when he was president last time.

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Speaker 2: You remember that style. I don't know if you're watching,

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Speaker 2: I just I was gobsmack. So Trump walks them to

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Speaker 2: meet Stottenburg as it was then, and the camp are

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Speaker 2: still rolling and he goes, You've got to get your

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Speaker 2: people to pay the bill. America's paid the bill for

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Speaker 2: too long, and you guys don't pay your bill. And

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Speaker 2: this is all going out live to the world, and

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking this. These guys hate this. You look at

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Speaker 2: a guy like Macron, who say whatever you want about him.

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Speaker 2: It's genteel, it's polite, it's sophisticated. Trump's none of those things.

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Speaker 2: They must be whetting their pants.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I think they're very, very nervous. He's so unpredictable.

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Speaker 16: I remember the first G seven meeting that he attended

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Speaker 16: in Taramina. He didn't even take part in the final statement,

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Speaker 16: the joint statement. So he runs his own race. And

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Speaker 16: it's a very aggressive stance that he's taken on both

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Speaker 16: defense and potentially tariffs. So I think there's a lot

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Speaker 16: of nervousness.

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Speaker 2: Here, I reckon. And that's before you get to Germany,

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Speaker 2: which we talked about on Tuesday, and there busy falling apart,

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Speaker 2: and they're right. I mean, it's just fascinating to watch now. Meantime,

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Speaker 2: Salvini and this business of your immigration scheme, where are

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Speaker 2: you at with that? You're still moving from to Wellbeania

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Speaker 2: aren't you.

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Speaker 16: Well, would you believe there are currently eight mis nagrants

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Speaker 16: on an huge Italian navy ship making their way to Albania.

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Speaker 16: Now that just sounds ridiculous to me. But this scheme

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Speaker 16: is going ahead. We've had certain reactions from Italian judges

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Speaker 16: trying to oppose efforts to send various asylum seekers back

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Speaker 16: to their home countries. But this is a bit of

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Speaker 16: a war inside Italy between the government and the legal system.

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Speaker 16: And at the moment, the government is pursuing its offshore

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Speaker 16: migrant scheme in Albania, so we're going to see more

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Speaker 16: migrants move there, but age doesn't sound like very many

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Speaker 16: on a major navy ship.

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Speaker 2: No, indeed not. Now by way of background, note what's

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Speaker 2: happened with the Zea dispute, so luftant soa Ita which

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Speaker 2: came out Aboutatalia and Latalia falls o because they were useless.

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Speaker 2: You're selling a chunk of Latan, so that whole thing's

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Speaker 2: falling apart. What's gone wrong, Well, this was.

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Speaker 16: A merger deal that's been talked about for quite some

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Speaker 16: time between Ita Airwa. As you said in Lufthansa, it's

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Speaker 16: been put on hold by the Italian Finance Ministry because

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Speaker 16: the German airline was looking for a discount and Luftanza

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Speaker 16: was set to acquire a forty one percent stake in ITA,

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Speaker 16: a three hundred and twenty five million euro capital increase,

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Speaker 16: bringing the total investment up to eight hundred million euros.

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Speaker 16: But this seems to have stalled and nobody's happy about

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Speaker 16: it all.

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Speaker 2: It's good to have you on the program. Joe catchap

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Speaker 2: next week. Joe McKenna out of Italy for US this morning,

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Speaker 2: mic Co. Assume they'll start to groom dvance for the

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Speaker 2: next election, not make the same mistake as the Democrats.

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Speaker 2: The advance came across reasonably well. The catwoman thing went

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Speaker 2: a bit feral for them. But apart from that, he

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Speaker 2: seems a very articulate young man, youngish man, looks older

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Speaker 2: than he actually is. I worked out that if they

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Speaker 2: do this right, does Trump set the table for eight

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Speaker 2: years of the republican's post this particular term. So, in

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Speaker 2: other words, twenty four through twenty eight he does well

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Speaker 2: enough that you feel good about America that twenty eight

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Speaker 2: through thirty two, thirty two through thirty six is Republican,

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Speaker 2: which would make twenty years of the twenty years between

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Speaker 2: sixteen and thirty six, only four for the Democrats? Is

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Speaker 2: that possible? Ten away from seven?

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Speaker 1: The make hosty records with the range rover Villa.

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Speaker 2: Mike, where's the expect polsters this morning or the media

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Speaker 2: that we're pushing Harris for months? We'll forget the media

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Speaker 2: for a moment. The polsters aren't wrong. You've got to

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Speaker 2: be You've got to be fair about this. That that

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Speaker 2: outlier poll in Iowa were spectacularly wrong, and the Seltzer's

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Speaker 2: probably going to not be heard of for a while.

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Speaker 2: But if you look at the states that are still undeclared,

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Speaker 2: your Arizona's, you're Michigan's, et cetera. The polls and you've

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Speaker 2: got to remember, and everybody forgets the Poles come with

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Speaker 2: a plus or minus of three percent. It's a six

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Speaker 2: percent variance. So these are close. Michigan's close, Arizona's close.

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Speaker 2: It's actually a close race. So you can't bag the

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Speaker 2: polsters for being wrong. The posters weren't wrong. A poll

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Speaker 2: is a snapshot in time with a variation in tolerance.

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Speaker 2: It's as simple as that, Mike, did you hear Morris Williamson?

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Speaker 2: So yesterday afternoon. He couldn't understand why National didn't want

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Speaker 2: to support getting the Treaty Principles clarified. As he said,

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Speaker 2: it's hard sorting issues at government level when there's very

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Speaker 2: little clarity with the treaty. I didn't hear it, but

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Speaker 2: he makes a solid point. And here's one because this

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Speaker 2: is the other big talking point today. This is Seymour's

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Speaker 2: Treaty Principles Bill and what it's going to contain. It's

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Speaker 2: dead on the water, of course, but we'll talk more

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Speaker 2: about that later. Here's my thinking on how this is

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Speaker 2: going to unfold for the next couple of years. I

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Speaker 2: think National, because they've made a mistake on this and

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Speaker 2: they've misread the room. National's polling is going to broadly

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Speaker 2: over the next couple of years drift, not badly, but

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Speaker 2: a bit, and it will drift to Act in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand first, as we slowly but surely understand that you

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Speaker 2: can have three parties in government that agree on most things,

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Speaker 2: don't agree on everything, but can still coal less relatively successfully,

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Speaker 2: and that will allow your acts in New Zealand first

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Speaker 2: to carve out their own niche in certain areas. And

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Speaker 2: this is Acts niche and I think they'll run with

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Speaker 2: us in twenty six, of course, which is where this

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Speaker 2: is going. But I think National is going to pay

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Speaker 2: the price on them five away from seven.

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Speaker 20: Well, the ins and the.

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Speaker 12: Outs, it's the bizz with business favor.

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Speaker 1: Take your business productivity to.

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Speaker 20: The next list.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what about Elon A So Trump's got a job

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Speaker 2: from Apparently that'll be interesting to see whether he actually

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Speaker 2: wants that job or whether it ever comes to pass.

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Speaker 2: But by association, he's already on fire. This morning, Tesla

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Speaker 2: shares as andrew set are up twelve point seven percent.

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Speaker 2: It's about twenty five billion dollars. Financial firm web Bush

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Speaker 2: Securities also thinks Tesla will add another two hundred billion

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Speaker 2: to their value, which would see another forty two billion

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Speaker 2: for Elon SpaceX. They're going to do well because last

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Speaker 2: month under the Biden administration, they got contracts worth one

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Speaker 2: point one seven billion, and that's expected to increase, especially

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Speaker 2: if the space station remains as an EPT along with

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Speaker 2: Boeing as an EPT as they currently are. George Washington University.

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Speaker 2: The analyst there say that government officials are looking at

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Speaker 2: Elon's AI company, which is XAI that currently has evaluation

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Speaker 2: of sixty seven billion, so government work will be shedded

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Speaker 2: their way. No word whether they want to work with

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Speaker 2: Neural Link that's the company with thirteen billion that puts

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Speaker 2: chips inside your brain, or indeed the company that drills

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Speaker 2: holes in the ground for quick trips to Las Vegas,

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Speaker 2: or whether indeed Trump will trade the beast and for

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Speaker 2: a cyber truck. So that's all still to unfold in

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Speaker 2: the program far as the states of interest to concern

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Speaker 2: mains uncalled. At this point, Harris will win it. Michigan,

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Speaker 2: Trump will get that. I reckon Trump's going to end

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Speaker 2: up with Arizona's the other one. I think he'll probably

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Speaker 2: pull that one in as well as Nevada. Trump's going

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Speaker 2: to end up with about three eight ish thereabouts in

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Speaker 2: terms of the electoral college number, which is freakily similar

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Speaker 2: to twenty sixteen. It's not a landslide. That's wrong. It

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Speaker 2: was too big to rig because there is no security.

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Speaker 2: There is no drama. There is, I mean there's angst,

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Speaker 2: but it's clear and it's clean. So I don't know

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Speaker 2: it is what it is. I guess at the end

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Speaker 2: of the day, we got a new president and we

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Speaker 2: can't argue. Let's get some more in elvisis up of

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Speaker 2: the News, which is next here, Rebus Talk, SEC.

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Speaker 1: You're Trusted, Hose and News for Entertainments, Opinion and Mike

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Speaker 1: the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Vita, Retirement, Communities, Life Your Way,

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Speaker 1: News Talks.

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Speaker 2: Head be seven past seven. It's the trifective of the GOP.

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Speaker 2: They wouldn't the White House take control of the Senate,

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Speaker 2: most likely hold the House. I think we can almost

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Speaker 2: confirm that President elect says it will be a golden

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Speaker 2: age for America. The Republican Party's former communications director Doug

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Speaker 2: hayesback with this morning.

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Speaker 15: Good morning, good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: What's your sense of what his number will eventually be.

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Speaker 2: I've got him in the low threes, three eight, sort

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Speaker 2: of twenty sixteen over again, isn't it.

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Speaker 15: I mean, if I'm honest, I've stopped looking once it

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Speaker 15: got to two seventy. What I've seen has been a

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Speaker 15: dramatic shift, though not just in the states that we

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Speaker 15: all focused on, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, you know, et cetera.

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Speaker 15: It's also been a shift in a lot of the

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Speaker 15: blue states, you know, states that were on nobody's radar screen,

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Speaker 15: which tells you a whole lot about how the country

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Speaker 15: has changed and is changing. So New Jersey nobody was

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Speaker 15: talking about Donald Trump lost it by four points as

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Speaker 15: opposed to sixteen points last time, Connecticut eight points this

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Speaker 15: time as opposed to twenty last time, Maryland twenty two

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Speaker 15: as opposed to thirty three. We're seeing a huge shift

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Speaker 15: to the right throughout the country. And you know, New

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Speaker 15: York State is a good example. Trump lost the state

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Speaker 15: by twelve points, he lost it by twenty three last time,

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Speaker 15: and Kamala Harris is on track for the worst performance

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Speaker 15: in New York City since nineteen ninety two. So it's

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Speaker 15: not just about electoral votes. It's a shift within the country.

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Speaker 2: New York got me as well. They height them, they

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Speaker 2: indicte them. But whoop snow, he don't we'll vote for him.

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Speaker 2: How does that work?

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Speaker 15: Well, look, he still lost the state, but clearly, especially

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Speaker 15: if you look at New York City, those outer bureaus

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Speaker 15: that tend to be more heavily Hispanic where Trump has

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Speaker 15: absolutely overperformed, they voted for him, I have no doubt.

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Speaker 15: And Jewish voters certainly voted for Trump at a high level.

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Speaker 15: He clearly lost Manhattan. I don't think there's any doubt

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Speaker 15: about that. But it tells us that there's real shifts

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Speaker 15: happening within the country throughout the country. And it's not

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Speaker 15: just here outside of Pennsylvania or outside of Philadelphia or

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Speaker 15: suburban Charlotte. It's almost everywhere in the country.

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Speaker 2: His campaign this time was much more disciplined and professional.

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Speaker 2: I thought, is his presidency the same.

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Speaker 15: Well, we have to see who he hires. He started

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Speaker 15: with a very professional team in his early days at

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Speaker 15: the White House, with Ryan's previous and Sean Spicer being

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Speaker 15: two of the most prominent examples, and they didn't last

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Speaker 15: very long. And you know, you're going to have a

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Speaker 15: surge of people trying to go into this administration, but

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Speaker 15: they also need to go in with their eyes wide

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Speaker 15: open of what happened to the previous team. If you

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Speaker 15: were a press secretary or a chief of staff or

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Speaker 15: other prominent roles, your life expectancy was similar to a

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Speaker 15: spinal tap drummer. You might spontaneously combust at some point,

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Speaker 15: and certainly people going in are going to be mindful

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Speaker 15: of that this time.

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Speaker 2: How do do the Democrat let me put it this way,

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Speaker 2: do the Democrats have the wherewithal to understand how badly

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Speaker 2: they've misread this and to fix it and be competitive

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Speaker 2: in twenty eight or not.

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Speaker 15: Well, the wherewithal to understand it absolutely, the willingness to

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Speaker 15: do something about it may be a very different question.

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Speaker 20: And part of that is.

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Speaker 15: One of the reasons that Kamala Harris lost wasn't because

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Speaker 15: of anything she said in the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 15: It's because she lost in twenty nineteen when she took

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Speaker 15: very far left positions to try and flank to the

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Speaker 15: left to win the primary, which she obviously didn't do.

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Speaker 15: Those came back to Bider and when we see what

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Speaker 15: looks at as happened with Hispanic voters, certainly Rule voters,

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Speaker 15: they're moving more to the right, which means they're rejecting

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Speaker 15: the more far left policies that are coming from the Democrats,

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Speaker 15: and they're willing to say, listen, I don't like Donald Trump,

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Speaker 15: per se, I don't like some of the crazy things

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Speaker 15: he says. He goes off the rails sometimes, But what

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Speaker 15: Democrats are doing in policy and fundamentally opposed to and

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Speaker 15: that's part of the decision they made.

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Speaker 2: Where do you reckon the Trump victory sits in the

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Speaker 2: annals of history, a term, a loss a term. How

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Speaker 2: does that work?

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Speaker 15: Well, it's only happened once before, with Grover Cleveland. I

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Speaker 15: look at this election in terms of nineteen eighty. When

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Speaker 15: Ronald Reagan won one in nineteen eighty, it was a

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Speaker 15: generational shift and really propelled our politics for a long time.

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Speaker 15: The movement that we saw on the ground tells us

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Speaker 15: with rule voters, especially with Hispanic voters, Trump is probably

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Speaker 15: going to do better with Hispanic voters than any Republican ever.

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Speaker 15: And given everything that we've heard about immigration over the

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Speaker 15: past year, the people who think they know everything would

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Speaker 15: tell you that's impossible. But the reality is Hispanic voters

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Speaker 15: also care about a secure border, right, just like they

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Speaker 15: care about jobs in the economy and so forth. They

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Speaker 15: don't want to be called Latin X. They just want

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Speaker 15: a job that provides for their family, secure border and

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Speaker 15: low crime and all of those things. Trump was able

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Speaker 15: to speak to those voters, and that's something that you know,

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Speaker 15: Democrats are going to have to reckon with for a

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Speaker 15: long time. They could have a very good twenty twenty

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Speaker 15: six that sort of happens. There's a rebound. Republicans certainly

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Speaker 15: did in twenty ten after Barack Obama's win in two

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Speaker 15: thousand and eight. But there's something generally, generationally that's happening

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Speaker 15: on the ground, and that's what Democrats need to not

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Speaker 15: only reckon with and realize, but work to fix.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's good to have you on the program, Doug

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Speaker 2: Doug Hay Form of Communications Directed for the Republican Party

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Speaker 2: twelve and that's passed seven Paskett. It is called Michigan.

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Speaker 2: Another fifteen into the pop two ninety two. They've got

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Speaker 2: trumpet at the moment, Mike, it's terrible the Harris went

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Speaker 2: to bed and didn't speak to his supporters. I don't

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Speaker 2: blame her in the sense Hillary didn't. She was in

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Speaker 2: tears back at the Pennsila around the corner from the

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Speaker 2: Jebbet Center. But nevertheless they couldn't say anything. You don't

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Speaker 2: appear until you either conceit or you win, and if

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Speaker 2: you're up like watching. It's why Trump had to hold

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Speaker 2: on so long. He needed the numbers before he could appear.

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Speaker 2: He couldn't appear and go, look it feels good. I'll

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Speaker 2: come back to you when it's official. Same way she

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Speaker 2: couldn't say, doesn't look very good, so I'll come back

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Speaker 2: when we lose, so I don't blame and Mike, thank

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Speaker 2: you for your excellent, clear and neutral reporting on the

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Speaker 2: US election. That's how really good journalism should be, and

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Speaker 2: easy to listen to. Very kind to say, I'm doing

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Speaker 2: nothing else. Anyway. We were never going to get a

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Speaker 2: free trade agreement with America. Mic, There's no way, Iowa farmers,

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Speaker 2: we're going to let that happen. Do not read Trump

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Speaker 2: and his isolationism. It will place too much weight on it.

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Speaker 2: We never got a free trade deal with Biden. We

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Speaker 2: never got a free trade deal with Clinton or Bush,

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Speaker 2: nor were we ever going to Republican and Democrat Americans

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Speaker 2: are not free traders, never have been, never will be.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen past the.

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Speaker 1: Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard By

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Speaker 2: B Doug Moraine is a former La Times editor. There's

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Speaker 2: a story in that and given what the endorsement argument

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Speaker 2: broke in the last couple of weeks anyway, but he

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Speaker 2: wrote a book called Carmela's Way in American Life. He's

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Speaker 2: with us after seven thirty back home though for a

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Speaker 2: minute sixteen seven couple of things won the job's numbers.

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Speaker 2: Unemployment up to four point eight, not as bad as

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Speaker 2: they thought. Also, we got the Reserve Bank Stability report.

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Speaker 2: This week's the Finance Minister Nicola willis with us. Very

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Speaker 2: good morning to you.

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Speaker 4: Good morning mate.

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Speaker 2: Do you fear Trump and tariffs?

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Speaker 11: Look new?

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Speaker 4: The olympe's a great relationship with the United States, and

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Speaker 4: we're looking forward to building a good relationship with the

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Speaker 4: new Trump administration. Of course, for a trading nation, we

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Speaker 4: continue to want to grow our trade with the United

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Speaker 4: States of America and.

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Speaker 21: We will look to do so.

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Speaker 2: I was saying before the break, they've never been free traders.

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Speaker 2: We've never had a proper free trade deal with them

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Speaker 2: under Clinton, Democrats or Republicans. And yet if you look

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Speaker 2: at the numbers we're selling in there, and we're selling well,

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Speaker 2: are you hopeful that can continue?

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Speaker 4: So we'll look out it sports into the States through

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Speaker 4: sixteen percent in the past year. Do Americans like our wine,

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Speaker 4: they like our red meat, they like coming here as tourists,

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Speaker 4: they like our services, and I think that will continue

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Speaker 4: to be the case. We also like American products, So

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Speaker 4: trade is ultimately about the exchange of value. That makes

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Speaker 4: sense on both sides. I think it will continue to

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Speaker 4: make sense for both of our nations to trade with

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Speaker 4: each other.

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Speaker 2: Right, jobs yesterday four point eight not as bad as

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Speaker 2: they thought. There is more to come. But I just

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Speaker 2: wonder if whatever is to come is not going to

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Speaker 2: be as bad as some might have thought.

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Speaker 4: Well, you're right, Treasury was full cast on that inflation

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Speaker 4: would be at five point two percent by now, or

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Speaker 4: the bank set it would be five, and it came

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Speaker 4: in at four point eight. The problems though, with getting

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Speaker 4: too optimistic at this point is that inflation is always

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Speaker 4: comes down and then the economy starts recovering, and then

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Speaker 4: employment is a lagging factor. So even while the economy

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Speaker 4: is recovering, unemployment can stick around a bit. So we

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Speaker 4: can expect it to keep rising a little bit over

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Speaker 4: the next little while. But yeah, maybe it doesn't go

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Speaker 4: as high as some of the more pessimistic forecasts we're saying.

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Speaker 2: I see a grind for the rest of the year

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Speaker 2: and maybe into next year. But those who say it

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Speaker 2: will peak at six I think. And if you read

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Speaker 2: the RB thing today this week, which I'm sure you did,

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Speaker 2: there talk around mortgage stress and that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: I just think they're too pessimistic, aren't they.

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Speaker 4: Well, look as I always say there's mixed things happening

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Speaker 4: across the economy. What we know is that with interest

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Speaker 4: rates coming down, that has had some immediate impacts. You've

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Speaker 4: got such a large group of New Zealanders now with

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Speaker 4: a mortgage that they're refixing within six months, so you're

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Speaker 4: going to see an immediate effect coming into the economy

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Speaker 4: of lower interest rates. That is confidence. You're seeing it

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Speaker 4: coming through in the business confidence numbers, Mike.

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Speaker 21: People are still.

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Speaker 4: Saying, look a bit worried about how the economy is

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Speaker 4: right now, but feeling very optimistic about next year. In fact,

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Speaker 4: those numbers that are about ten year high year ahead optimism.

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Speaker 4: So those are all positive things. We can see those

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Speaker 4: green shoots coming through. But I am not going to

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Speaker 4: say that everything is going to be wonderful yet, because

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Speaker 4: there's always downside risks as well.

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Speaker 2: No fair enough, Hey, when are you coming on the

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Speaker 2: program to tell us all about the future of key

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Speaker 2: we Bank.

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Speaker 21: Look.

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Speaker 4: I hope to do that later this year. I haven't

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Speaker 4: taken proposals to cabinet yet, although I do intend to

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Speaker 4: do that next month, and I'm optimistic that we can

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Speaker 4: come up with something that will allow Kiwibank to have

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Speaker 4: more capital that will allow it to grow, that will

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Speaker 4: bring more competition into retail banking.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Nice to talk to you, Nicola Willis, Finance Minister.

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00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: control and come up with ideas and initiatives around new

871
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Speaker 2: activities and interests. It is what are Vida calls life

872
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 2: your Way uniqu range of activities on offer are there

873
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: e bike groups and pottery and gardening groups, exercise sessions,

874
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: brew clubs, art class. One of the communities, by the way,

875
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: in Kerry Kerey even has their own large boat for

876
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 2: resident trips out in the water. So if you've been

877
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: considering the move into retirement living, are Vida has a

878
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: range of lifestyle options available for the over sixty fives

879
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 2: from stunning brand new villas ad Tipuna Wayora. This is

880
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 2: in Kerry Kerey or Feimaro or a en Taouer Mutu

881
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 2: or they've got the service departments with supported Iland and

882
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: Saint Alban's communities in christ Duties. Of course, there's a

883
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 2: variety of options to explore across their thirty five locations

884
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 2: throughout this beautiful country of ours. So take a tour

885
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: of a few are Vida communities, see what fits you best.

886
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 2: Get a vibe for it all. Visit are Veda arv

887
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: Ida are Veda dot co dot nz ask it teven

888
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: twenty three. Today the big reveal for the David Seymore

889
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: center piece of upset and aankst the introduction to the

890
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: Parliament of the Treaty Principal's Bill. It's one of the

891
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: older debates and bits of legislation given it's going to

892
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 2: die death in Philly short order, or is it, And

893
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 2: that in part is what's driving the almost hysterical opposition

894
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: to it. Also hysterical because of course it's David Cymore

895
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 2: and the lefties and lovees hate him. The bill essentially

896
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: wants to have a country where we're all treated Equally,

897
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 2: you don't get to the front of the queue because

898
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 2: you Mara. You don't get locked out of education because

899
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: you Mara. You don't have special treatment based on race.

900
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: We should, of course have not needed the bill or

901
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: the debate. We should be one country, same rules, same deal.

902
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: But sadly that is not the case in an attempt

903
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 2: to right past wrongs. Let's be clear, there is no

904
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: doubt there have been some egregious wrongs towards Murray, but

905
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 2: in trying to put those right, we have overcorrected, over

906
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: interpreted a document that's opened a huge amount of interpretation

907
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 2: anyway and ended up a very divided society. The exercise,

908
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: in whatever format took, was always going to cause angst,

909
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: but this has been next level. I suspect because of

910
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 2: the other race related matters the government's looking to correct.

911
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: At the same time, the courts and their interventionism haven't helped,

912
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,439
Speaker 2: and the white Tangi tribunalists done little more than stir

913
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: so we are where we are. Seymore argued he was

914
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: hoping for the power of persuasion to change National's mind

915
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: on support. So many of us would be so keen

916
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: on the bill that National would have to adjust their stance.

917
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: That won't happen, which means the bill will be supported

918
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: to first reading and die there. We'll die for now

919
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: is the long play, the idea that act to have

920
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 2: a policy they can build on in twenty six, grow

921
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: the vote and enact another day. In other words, this

922
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: is just the start. Hasky. My unemployment. Had the participation

923
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: rate remained unchanged, it went backwards a little bit. The

924
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 2: unemployment rate would have been five point three percent in

925
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: the market would have been gunning for seventy five basis

926
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: points at the next RB meeting. But it didn't, and

927
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: so they won't. And so I think you've got fifty

928
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: before Christmas. They'll come back in feb. Would it be

929
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 2: twenty five or fifty in feb big gap between meetings.

930
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: Let's see, Mike, have you read the scene an article

931
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 2: Trump's return to power raisst serious questions about the media's credibility. Yes,

932
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 2: I have. There is no shortage of that sort of

933
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: reading to be done around the place. And it's and

934
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: you know, if you're a regular. My views on the media,

935
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 2: the modern day media, and my great despair, worry and

936
00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 2: concern for them, and another example of which unfolded yesterday.

937
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: You can do one of a couple of things. My

938
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 2: problem with the media is quite simple. Either they can't

939
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: read the room, and for some that's the case. Or

940
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: they can read the room but they don't know how

941
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: to change. Or they can read the room, but they

942
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 2: don't want to change because they don't care. And you

943
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: look at the Democrats, it'll be interesting insight into whether

944
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: they're capable of changing. They know they were wrong. I mean,

945
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: as I said at the end of the programme yesterday,

946
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: to think you can go to the people in America

947
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: and vote on abortion as an issue is ridiculous. Most

948
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: of the states in play abortion is not an issue.

949
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: It's never been an issue women's rights. I mean, what

950
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: the hell is does that even mean? You look at

951
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: the Labour Party in this country. Are they capable of

952
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 2: majorly changing I see no evidence of it so far.

953
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: Are they capable of seeing where this country is at

954
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 2: the moment and the popularity of the government of the

955
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 2: changes that are being made, or are they just whiners

956
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 2: who will go to the next election whining and offering

957
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: tax increases and therefore another defeat. I look at the

958
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 2: Coalition in Australia, who got spanked under Morrison, but under Dutton,

959
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: who was allegedly unelectable. He looked around. I saw a

960
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: couple of issues, one of them which is nuclear, ran

961
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: on nuclear. Next thing you know, Elbanez has helped them

962
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 2: because he's incompetent. But next thing you know, based on

963
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: a couple of good, proactive issues, Dutton's electable, Dutton's in

964
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: the race, Dutton's leading in the polse. So it's how

965
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: you react as you get knocked down, it's how you

966
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: get back up again. But as regards the media, it's

967
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: whether they want to get back up again, and if

968
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 2: they do, decide they do, whether they've got the wherewithal

969
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: who actually do it? Actually, speaking of the media, a

970
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: member of the aforementioned for you in a couple of moments.

971
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: The newsmakers and the personalities the big names talk to,

972
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: like my costing, breakfast with the range rover, the la

973
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: designed to intrigue and use.

974
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: Concept be designed back on the program after eight o'clock

975
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: are worth three yesterday for you. Meantime, are twenty three

976
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: minutes away from a tremendous amount of soul searching. Now

977
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: for the Democrats, of course, a one term president, a

978
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 2: defeat to a bloke. They told you should never ever

979
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: be anywhere near power ever again, and yet America could

980
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: not agree. Less, it seems former Allay Times or an

981
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: author of Camels Way in American Life, Dan Marine's with us. Then,

982
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: very good morning to you, Well, good morning to you.

983
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: Were you surprised?

984
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 20: Yeah, I thought, well, I certainly thought it would be

985
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 20: closer than it is. And I actually thought Harris was

986
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 20: going to win, you know, well I.

987
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 2: Know, but yeah, well based on what.

988
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 20: Well I thought she had momentum. So so here are

989
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 20: a couple things that I thought, really, we're gonna tip it.

990
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 20: She raised over a billion dollars to his less than

991
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 20: four hundred million dollars. Now, money doesn't always determine the outcome,

992
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 20: but it sure helps. And she had this incredible get

993
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 20: out the vote effort in the swing states, and he

994
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 20: was relying on on something that was much less organized

995
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 20: than what the Democrats did. So and those were the

996
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 20: two factors that I thought met that she was more

997
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 20: likely than not to win. And also there was that

998
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 20: poll out of Iowa over the weekend that showed her winning,

999
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 20: and I thought that that was that would be quite telling.

1000
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyways, it was right, again, what do I know?

1001
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 20: I thought Hillary Clinton was going to win in twenty sixteen.

1002
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: That was different. It's funny that because it was one

1003
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 2: of the sort of seminal moments of my life. I

1004
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: happened to be in Manhattan at the jab At Center

1005
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 2: in sixteen, and it was different to the extent. People

1006
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: didn't just think Clinton was going to win. She was

1007
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 2: going to win. She was going to be the first

1008
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 2: woman president, and they just could not get their head

1009
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: around it that she didn't whereas I suspect this time, yeah,

1010
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: you wanted her to win. Yeah she could win, but

1011
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: it wasn't the same thing. Is that fair?

1012
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 20: Yeah? Well, I was an editorial page editor at a

1013
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 20: regional paper in Sacramento, b and wrote the editorial welcoming

1014
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 20: Hillary Clinton as the next president, and before that ran,

1015
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 20: of course, he won Trump one and I had to

1016
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 20: rewrite it and welcome Trump as an ex president. So yeah,

1017
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 20: people were absolutely convinced this was close. You know, this

1018
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 20: was close, and I mean certainly until last week I

1019
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 20: thought it was a toss up, and then but over

1020
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 20: the weekend it came to conclude that, well, she was

1021
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 20: more likely not to win. But you know, again, what

1022
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 20: do I know these are you know, we are such

1023
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 20: a divided country. We're not the only one. You know,

1024
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 20: there is this populous move in many countries around the nation.

1025
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 20: It's kind of surprising that it's here, but here we are.

1026
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's your view, by the way, and I'm glad

1027
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: you're on the program given what's happening with the Washington

1028
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: Post in the LA Times. What's your view with endorsement?

1029
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: Is that now done as a thing at election time?

1030
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 20: No, it's not. But I also think that that how

1031
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 20: one endorses in a presidential campaign really doesn't matter. People

1032
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 20: have so much information they know who they're going to

1033
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 20: vote for for president. But on down the ballot, you know,

1034
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 20: we vote for judges here, we vote for school board members. Here,

1035
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 20: we vote for you know, all kinds of offices, and

1036
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 20: in those instances, a newspaper, a news organization endorsement really

1037
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 20: does matter, but less so for president. I don't exactly

1038
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 20: understand the thinking of Patrick Sounscheng, the owner of the

1039
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 20: Los Angeles Times, or Jeff Bezos, the owner of the

1040
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 20: Washington Post. What their motivation was. They say it was journalistic.

1041
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 20: I wonder whether there was some business reason these news

1042
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 20: organizations are not their main business interests, as you know exactly.

1043
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 2: But I ill said there's a credibility issue with the

1044
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: media anyway, and endorsement doesn't help. You would disagree with that.

1045
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 20: Well, it's not as if The Washington Post is going

1046
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 20: to be viewed as a pro Trump news organization. It's

1047
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 20: it's it's highly critical. It's columnists or by and large,

1048
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 20: very critical of Trump. So you know, it's viewed as

1049
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 20: a liberal news organization. You know, it's news. It's news

1050
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 20: is the news, but it also has the reputation of

1051
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 20: being liberal.

1052
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1053
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 20: Maybe there may be something to that, but I don't

1054
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 20: think that was the real reason.

1055
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: Having written Kamala's why in American life? Will they pin

1056
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 2: it on Kamala? Will they pin it on Biden? Will

1057
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: they pin it on both of them? Or can they

1058
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 2: pin it on the democratic view of the world in general?

1059
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 20: Well, you know, we're gonna we're going to be picking

1060
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 20: over this for for months, if not years. What what

1061
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 20: what happened in this election?

1062
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 11: Uh?

1063
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 20: You know, I think Kamala Harris ran as good a

1064
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 20: race as she possibly could have run in a three

1065
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 20: month period of time. You know, Joe Biden stuck it

1066
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 20: out until until he couldn't stick it out any longer

1067
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 20: and then pulled out. You know, who knows. Maybe if

1068
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 20: he had pulled out early, if he had announced two

1069
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 20: years ago that he wasn't going to run for reelection,

1070
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 20: there would have been an open primary and on the

1071
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 20: Democratic side, and they would have found it out. Nobody

1072
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 20: knows yet, there are you know, Trump ran on the

1073
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 20: economy and and things do cost more today than they

1074
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 20: did four years ago. Now there are a bunch of

1075
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 20: reasons for that, but his argument was that he will

1076
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 20: be better for the economy, and and you know, people

1077
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 20: vote their pocketbook. That's certainly the case. They clearly were

1078
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 20: not thinking about Ukraine when they went into the voting

1079
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 20: booth by and large that you know, that's going to

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Speaker 20: be a huge, big.

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Speaker 7: Result.

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Speaker 20: I think file out from this election.

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Speaker 2: One of a number I suspect, Dan, listen, I appreciate

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00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 2: talking to you. Nice to meet with you. Dan Moraine,

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Speaker 2: who was the former La Times editor and author of

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Speaker 2: Carmela's Way an American Life, seventeen minutes away from a

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Speaker 2: Bosking Mike on the question of the media, I'm interested

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00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: in your opinion as to whether we have an unbiased

1089
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 2: quality investigative journalist or two in this country. I don't

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Speaker 2: see much evidence. I'll come back to that, Mike. Could

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Speaker 2: you explain how the keys to the White House work again?

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Speaker 5: Ah?

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00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, mister Lickman Allen, who'd never got it wrong apart

1094
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: from once, and who became famous. He became particularly famous

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Speaker 2: for sixteen. And I didn't think sixteen was that hard

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Speaker 2: to call, but people in America didn't he call it.

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Speaker 2: And the day he became a hero, he up until

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00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 2: the last minute was reaffirming, affirming and reaffirming. Karma. Karmela,

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00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: karmla a karmal A. Carmela was going to win. And so,

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Speaker 2: like the Seltzer team in Iowa, mister Lickman's probably not

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00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: going to have his phone ring quite as often as

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00:52:58,920 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 2: it used to.

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Speaker 1: Sixteen the Vike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: powered by News Talks, it'd.

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Speaker 2: Be we got the word that Harris has got through

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00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 2: to Trump to congratulate him and talked about the importance

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Speaker 2: of a peaceful transfer of power and being a president

1108
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: for all Americans. Usual lines, et cetera, et cetera. She's

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00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 2: still yet to front. She's due at ten o'clock four

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00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 2: o'clock Eastern time in America to officially concede. Be interesting

1111
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 2: to see what she's got to say, Mike Zelenski, got

1112
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 2: prepared for a get prepared for a peace settlement. I'll

1113
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: be fascinated to see how that unfolds. Because he talks.

1114
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: He talks big on a lot of stuff. Trump he

1115
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: can drill. Drilling's easy. He'll drill from oil and so

1116
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 2: he'll be good to his word. But he's going to

1117
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: fix the war, and so it's going to be interesting

1118
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 2: to see how he's going to do that. Mike, you're

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00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 2: going to eat your hat. Trump win California. No, No,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to eat my hat because Trump didn't

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Speaker 2: win California. For all the information that's out there in

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00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 2: the world, it still astonishes me that even when the

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00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 2: facts are right in front of you, you somehow think

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00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: the facts can't be Trump has not won California. Republicans

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00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: don't win California. They called California with fifty four percent

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Speaker 2: of the vote in because Carmalo and California hands down,

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00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 2: this guy is that Just not to be confused. We

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00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: talked earlier on about New York. Don't think that he

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00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 2: won New York either. What a lot of a lot

1130
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Speaker 2: of what happened yesterday was him overperforming in some of

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00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: the votes young people, Latino's black. He didn't win the vote,

1132
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 2: he didn't get all of the black vote, he didn't

1133
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: get anywhere near the black vote. He just did better

1134
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: than he used to do. She did worse than Biden.

1135
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 2: So the Democrats still win New York. They're still Democrats

1136
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: still win California. The Democrats still win the vast majority

1137
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 2: of the black vote. It's just they underperformed and he overperformed. Mike.

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Speaker 2: This guy's textbook didition of definition of why Carmela lost.

1139
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 2: I got that sense. I watched you. I got to

1140
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 2: give props to say Jake Tapper on CNN yesterday. Now

1141
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 2: you'll know where Jake Tapper comes from if you watch CNN.

1142
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 2: But he held it together well and he presented creditably.

1143
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: Van Jones, on the other hand, he's one of those

1144
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 2: guys just can't hide it. And that guy we just

1145
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 2: talked to Moraine, nice guy, sounded like a nice guy.

1146
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 2: He doesn't get it, he doesn't understand it. He can't

1147
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 2: work out. I said, why do you think she lost?

1148
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 2: And why did you think she was going to win

1149
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 2: because they had the ground game. They didn't have the

1150
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 2: ground game.

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Speaker 15: And the other interesting thing. The first thing he said

1152
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Speaker 15: was they spent more money.

1153
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, as though that does it. Money helps, but money

1154
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 2: doesn't buy an election. But they had a ground game.

1155
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: No they didn't. Because you saw the result and Iowa

1156
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: came out. Yes, it did, and we got excited about Iowa.

1157
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 2: But guess what. Iowa was wrong. So some people will

1158
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 2: not see, can't see. That's what I was trying to

1159
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: say about the media. Some people don't know how to

1160
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: see and go right. I was wrong? Why was I wrong?

1161
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,959
Speaker 2: Therefore do I want to see, look, or act any

1162
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: different than what led me into this particular place in

1163
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: the first place. And that takes us back to the

1164
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 2: answers the New Zealand media question. Broadly speaking, the answers

1165
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 2: now in a way from mite.

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Speaker 1: Breakfast with the least real estate news talks.

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Speaker 2: You know I FRO might devide this week In Australia,

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00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 2: I've a recruitment firm's view on what they're seeing from

1169
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: Jeans Zaida's. The claim was we're seeing them telling recruiters

1170
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: they won't get out of bed to listen. One hundred

1171
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: grand a year. Robert Walter's Brisbane senior director, Jane Lownie

1172
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Speaker 2: is with us on this giant morning to you.

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Speaker 21: Good morning, Mike, how are you very well?

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00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 2: You reckon? It's true.

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Speaker 21: I think it's a little bit harsh, to be honest.

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Speaker 21: I personally haven't heard the quote of not getting out

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Speaker 21: of bed for one hundred thousand. I think that was

1178
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 21: Naomi Campbell back in the day for a hundred for

1179
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 21: a million. But yeah, look, certainly there's sentiments that are

1180
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 21: you know, in the workforce right now around their expectations.

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00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 21: We recently surveyed five thousand employees across Australia and New Zealand.

1182
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 21: But the thing I would point to is the sentiment.

1183
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 21: Whether you slice it by nationality, age, or kind of

1184
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 21: in industry background, the sentiments are broadly the same. So

1185
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 21: I think the whole workforce is looking for things that

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00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 21: are you know, pretty aligned salary, career progression, work life balance.

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00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 21: So I do agree things like work life balance and

1188
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 21: the opportunities to work from home are high on people's

1189
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 21: priority list at all ages or all generations. So I

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00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 21: do think gen Z get a bit of a hard

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00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 21: time at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Is it up to the recruiter to get the person,

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00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: or the person to get the recruiter.

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00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 7: Look.

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Speaker 21: I think you can do both. I think you know,

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Speaker 21: obviously there's a fair bit of migration happening from New

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00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 21: Zealand to Australia right now, and I always encourage people

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00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 21: who are coming to a new country to be proactive

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Speaker 21: in their job search. You'll pick from my accent. I'm

1200
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 21: not a local either, so we made the move across

1201
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 21: the world. You know, ten years ago, international moves have

1202
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 21: been very normal. They just seem a little bit more

1203
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 21: heightened at the moment because there's that kind of what

1204
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 21: I'm calling the post COVID hangover, of pent up desire

1205
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 21: to go overseas. But I don't think it's trending, you know,

1206
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 21: any more aggressively than it had done. You know, twenty eighteen,

1207
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 21: nineteen twenty, you go on, you're oe, you do a

1208
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 21: couple of years, you come back. You know, that's a

1209
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 21: pretty normal transition in terms of the recruiters find. We

1210
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 21: certainly head on search and seek out talent for our clients,

1211
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 21: but equally, you know, we're a global brand, so we

1212
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 21: find a lot of people come to us looking for

1213
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 21: us to represent them. Into the market.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic good and so I appreciate you so very much.

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Speaker 2: Joane Larnie, who's up early for us in Queensland this

1216
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: morning out of Robert Walters in Brisbane. You'll note the

1217
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 2: lilta the Irish accent. I'm led to believe tomorrow is

1218
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 2: the day in Ireland that they'll be calling an election.

1219
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: A head I where is it? There it is, I've

1220
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 2: got it in a poll out of Ireland Finna Gael,

1221
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 2: fin a fayl. Gail's still ahead twenty six, fin of

1222
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Speaker 2: fail twenty shin feine eighteen. The Greens who are involved

1223
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: in the government at the moment, they're on four, so

1224
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 2: they're expected tomorrow to call a vote and will be

1225
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 2: interesting too. A lot of democracy going on in the

1226
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: world at the moment. Four minutes away from Mate asking Mike,

1227
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: we have a holiday in the States in January with

1228
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: our three teens. We didn't look at dates when we

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00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: booked and we're in Washington two days before the inauguration.

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Speaker 2: Is that a good idea? It's not only a good idea,

1231
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: it's a brilliant idea. And if your kids didn't know

1232
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 2: you didn't look at the dates, say oh, we looked

1233
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 2: at the dates. It was very important for you to

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00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 2: be there for the inauguration, because never let history pass

1235
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Speaker 2: you by, especially if it's around the corner. And having

1236
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 2: been to Washington, it's one of the great It surprised me.

1237
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Speaker 2: Of all the places I've been in the world, Washington

1238
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: surprised me more than anything. I wasn't looking forward to

1239
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 2: going to Washington. I couldn't care less about Washington. Washington

1240
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 2: blew my mind. Washington is phenomenal as a place to

1241
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 2: visit in terms of history of political importance. And if

1242
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 2: you can be on the mail on inauguration Day, even

1243
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 2: if you're at the back, wrapped up because it'll be cold,

1244
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: even at the very back, and your witnessing and part

1245
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 2: of history, do not miss it for anything.

1246
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Speaker 1: The Breakfast Show you can trust, the Mic Hosking Breakfast

1247
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: with Bailey's Real Estate, your local experts across residential, commercial

1248
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: and news talks dead b.

1249
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: It is seven past eight, so let's wrap her Wat's

1250
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 2: told of the in America these past twenty four hours.

1251
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 2: The counting rolls on, of course, and we're still here

1252
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 2: from Kamela Herris. She's coming in just under two hours time.

1253
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 2: Apparently the Republicans have done enough to grab the White

1254
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 2: House and control the Senate. It was a clean result

1255
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 2: in Philly, obvious as our afternoon rolled into evening. There's

1256
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 2: also history at play, of course, given a former president

1257
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 2: running for office having been booted out doesn't happen every day.

1258
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Speaker 2: Nick Bryant is back with us, NICKT morning to you.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Mike, it's art like we've seen that movie before

1260
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 6: when we were together in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you raised that because last night when

1262
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 2: I was watching in the Washington Square and the guy

1263
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 2: wandered out in the early hours of the morning and

1264
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 2: said she won't be appearing tonight. Bang. I was straight

1265
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 2: back at the jabb At Center in sixteen. It was

1266
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 2: like two point zero, wasn't it.

1267
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Speaker 7: It really was.

1268
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 6: I remember that night. Everybody was told to go home.

1269
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Speaker 6: John Potesta, who was a campaign chief, came out and

1270
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 6: said the candidate will be speaking tomorrow, and you know,

1271
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 6: at that point it's all over.

1272
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Speaker 8: I mean.

1273
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 6: Hillary Clinton, of course, had that massive glass ceiling above

1274
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 6: her stage that she was figuratively supposed to smash. Kamala

1275
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 6: Harris hadn't gone for that kind of symbolism, but still

1276
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 6: devastating for her. She's just actually called up Donald Trump

1277
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 6: to concede. Apparently she's stressed the importance of the transfer

1278
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 6: of power and also that he should try and govern

1279
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 6: for all of Americans. But I think one of the

1280
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 6: key stats in this election is he hasn't only won

1281
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 6: the electoral College vote, it looks very much like he's

1282
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 6: going to win the nationwide popular vote as well.

1283
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 2: Exactly. Glad to have you on as always, but specifically

1284
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 2: your experience in what they call the rust belt, those

1285
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 2: states that maybe a part of America that we in

1286
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Speaker 2: New Zealand, having gone to Los Angeles and New York,

1287
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 2: don't get when you get into those places. That's where

1288
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 2: Trump again won. What is it about that world that

1289
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 2: we don't see, get or understand that they look at

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Speaker 2: him and go, You're the savior.

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Speaker 6: That was always the seed bed of Trump is and

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Speaker 6: Mike I was camped out there in twenty sixteen, and

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Speaker 6: those empty factories and those derelic steel mills became echo

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Speaker 6: chambers for make America great again. You know, Bill Clinton,

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Speaker 6: Mike had spoken about building of Bristol of the twenty

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Speaker 6: first century, how the manufacturing economy would be replaced by

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Speaker 6: a kind of information economy. But if you were living

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Speaker 6: in the Rost Belt, that bridsto of the twenty first

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Speaker 6: century felt more like a bypass. You felt like an

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Speaker 6: economic castaway in a system that it was becoming ever

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Speaker 6: more globalized, ever more digital, ever more confusing. And I

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Speaker 6: think you know that the economics of the Rust Belt

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01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 6: obviously still still play into it. You know, you're throwing

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01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 6: inflation as well. I mean, everybody's spat in the old

1305
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 6: Clintonian cliche about it's the economy stupid. Well, I think

1306
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 6: it's the felt economy stupid, because a lot of the

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01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 6: economic indices are pretty good for America right now, but

1308
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Speaker 6: not in those communities. And also so you know, it's

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Speaker 6: the inflation stupid. I mean, if you are living with

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Speaker 6: higher gas prices and higher grocery prices and you're paying

1311
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 6: more for the mortgage, you know you're not too happy

1312
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,919
Speaker 6: and you're going to take out your rage. And once again,

1313
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Speaker 6: I think you know, Donald Trump's become a bit of

1314
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 6: a protest candidate for these people who feel that they're

1315
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 6: not being listened to, they're not being heard, and one

1316
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 6: way that they do get heard is to vote for

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. Is that why the Democrats lost because on the economy,

1319
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 2: on immigration, they hadn't done anything, and they had a

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Speaker 2: record of not doing enough, and therefore they couldn't defeend it.

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Speaker 2: So they started talking about abortion and that was the

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Speaker 2: end of it for them.

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Speaker 20: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Look, I think some of their focus grip told them that,

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Speaker 6: you know, putting democracy on the ballot would work for

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01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 6: them again in twenty twenty four as it had done

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Speaker 6: in the midterms in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 7: I think that was a key thing.

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Speaker 6: I think they saw what happened not just on januaryes

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Speaker 6: are sick, but what happened on twenty twenty one, but

1331
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Speaker 6: what happened on June the twenty four, twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 6: That was when the Supreme Court overturned Row versus Way.

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Speaker 6: They thought that was going to be a big vote

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Speaker 6: winning as it was in twenty and twenty two. And

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Speaker 6: I think you know, in the midterm elections, they did

1336
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Speaker 6: better than expecting, and you know what that made them

1337
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Speaker 6: do is stick with Biden. I think, you know, when

1338
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Speaker 6: you look back at the history of this, I think

1339
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 6: the fact that Biden did better than expected and Democrats

1340
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Speaker 6: did better than expected in twenty twenty two made them think,

1341
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Speaker 6: you know, maybe Joe can win us another four years.

1342
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Speaker 6: And of course at that stage he was very old.

1343
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Speaker 6: You know, we were to learn later quite had dottery

1344
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Speaker 6: and old he'd got. And if they'd have done badly

1345
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty two, I think there would have been

1346
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Speaker 6: a grand swell in the Democratic Party. We need to

1347
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Speaker 6: find a new candidate, We need to find a better

1348
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 6: candidate than Joe Biden. There would have been a primary system.

1349
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Speaker 6: Kamala Harris would have had to compete with other Democrats

1350
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Speaker 6: who might have had a better claim and might have

1351
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Speaker 6: been better candidates.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, well that's what I wanted to ask. Was

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01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 2: Obama actually right because he was one of the few

1354
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 2: who said just hold on here, let's think about it,

1355
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 2: maybe have a vote. Was Harris a mistake? Could they

1356
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: have found somebody that would have made a difference, ordered

1357
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Speaker 2: Biden bury them?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, here's my take on that, Mike. I mean, Obama

1359
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 6: wasn't the only one. Nancy Pelosi as well, she wanted

1360
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 6: some kind of speedy, little kind of mini primary. When

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Speaker 6: Joe Biden finally decided to release that white knuckle grip

1362
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 6: on the torch, you know, he really wanted to run again.

1363
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Speaker 6: Didn't he, and this was part of the problem. He

1364
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 6: loved being president. He thought he could win the Rust Belt.

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Speaker 14: He thought, he.

1366
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Speaker 6: Said, a better chance than Kamala Harris, which is one

1367
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Speaker 6: of the reasons why he stayed on for so long.

1368
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean, it's going to be one of

1369
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 6: the big what ifs. The problem Mike with trying to

1370
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Speaker 6: find another candidate was you risk splitting the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 6: and you risked annoying the most loyal constituency of all,

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Speaker 6: which is African American women. There were senior Black Democrats

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01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 6: like Jim Clive and a very influential congressman in South Carolina.

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Speaker 6: As you know, he's part of the reason why Biden's

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Speaker 6: the president.

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Speaker 5: Now.

1377
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Speaker 6: They were saying, if it's not Joe, it's gotta be Karmela.

1378
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Speaker 6: There were other people saying that too. Is they'd have

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Speaker 6: had that kind of process and ended up with a

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Speaker 6: candidate I don't know, like Gretchen Whitner, who's shown that

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Speaker 6: she can win the Ross Belt state of Michigan not

1382
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Speaker 6: just once but twice, or something like Gavin Newson, the

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Speaker 6: California governor. Maybe they would have stood a better chance.

1384
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 6: But in finding that better candidate, they risked splitting the

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Speaker 6: Democratic Party into.

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Speaker 2: Exactly Hold on, mate, We'll come back and talk about

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01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 2: the future of Trump at the moment. Nick Bryant thirteen Past.

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Speaker 1: The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, coward

1389
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: by News Talks, It be News.

1390
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 2: Talks sixteen past, Like Nick Bryan's, whether's Nick your sense?

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01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 2: My view of the Trump campaign this time around was

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01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 2: it was more professional, more slick, better organized. Was that

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01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 2: your view? And does that get reflected in a second

1394
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 2: term or not?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 6: Look, there's all these great stories about the divisions within

1397
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 6: the Trump campaign between a campaign who really just wanted

1398
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 6: to focus on the economy literally asked that Reagan question,

1399
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Speaker 6: are you better off four years ago than you? Are

1400
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 6: you better off now than you were four years ago?

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Speaker 6: The answer of which is obviously no. And the campaign

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Speaker 6: high command then going a bit crazy when Trump did

1403
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 6: the weave as he calls it, when he starts talking

1404
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 6: about hadim a lecta and all the crazy stuff. But yeah,

1405
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 6: they I think at the top they had you know,

1406
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 6: two real pros running things, no question about it. I

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01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,919
Speaker 6: mean the Democrats thought they had his financial advances, that

1408
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 6: the Democrats thought they had this organizational advantage and they

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01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 6: have a very good grand game. They good at getting

1410
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Speaker 6: votes out. But yeah, I mean, you know Trump's I

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01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 6: mean that the whole we've kind of worked for him,

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Speaker 6: didn't it. I mean, talking about the economy, talking about immigration,

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Speaker 6: all the other kind of stuff and the crazy stuff,

1414
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 6: and the we've wasn't sufficiently off putting to voters to

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01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 6: put them off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So he's going to drill for Royal so he

1417
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 2: can do that, and that's easy. And the if you

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01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 2: look at the markets this morning, they've responded favorably. Ken

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01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 2: he fixed the war, Kenny salt Putin? Can he solve

1420
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 2: the Middle East? Does he get to do any of

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01:07:58,760 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 2: that or not?

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Speaker 8: Wow?

1423
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 6: It's just to go into this world. It's just also

1424
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 6: mind blowing, isn't it in many ways? You know, let's

1425
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 6: boil that down. What can he do straight away? Well,

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Speaker 6: one thing we think he'll do is obviously impose far

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Speaker 6: more tariffs, and that would intensify the trade war with China.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, it's interesting the markets have reacted

1429
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 6: in this way. Perhaps they're just happy about the certainty

1430
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 6: of the moment. Perhaps they're reflecting the kind of impact

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01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 6: on sort of energy companies who are going to be

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01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,719
Speaker 6: able to drill now with that kind of environmental regulations

1433
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 6: that have visits in the past. But there is a

1434
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Speaker 6: sense if there is a trade war, it won't only

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Speaker 6: kind of inflate prices in America, which could increase interest rates.

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Speaker 6: That could lead to as if global downturn. I mean

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Speaker 6: I live in Australia. There's been some modeling here that

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Speaker 6: suggests it's going to dip GDP by one point two

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Speaker 6: percent if there is a deepening of the trade or

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Speaker 6: so that that'll be a concern. Yeah, environmentally, you know,

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Speaker 6: he'll pull out of Paris again, as he did. I

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Speaker 6: was with him the last time he pulled out of Paris.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's so hot that down Brosegarden bke that

1444
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Speaker 6: our phone stopped working. You know when you get that

1445
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 6: temperature thing on your phone, if anything symbolize what was

1446
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 6: at stake, the discrepancy between what was coming out of

1447
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 6: the President's math.

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Speaker 20: It was my phone not working. My computer would work.

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Speaker 6: I've never had that before.

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Speaker 2: My laptop would not wreck because it was so hot.

1451
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 6: But he'll pull out of He'll pull out of Paris. Obviously,

1452
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 6: that has massive ravigations around the world. When you know

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01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 6: the world's you know, most powerful country and its second

1454
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 6: biggest pollutera pulls out of a global climate change agreement

1455
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Speaker 6: like that, Yeah, we're we're back in trump Land again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly does he and I'm sort of pontificating here,

1457
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 2: does he sit the table for the Republicans in twenty

1458
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 2: eight or in other words, the Republicans and JD Vans,

1459
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 2: whether it's him or not, can can go and propel

1460
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 2: themselves into four slash eight years or is he so

1461
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 2: unique that it ins in twenty eight?

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Speaker 20: Loo?

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Speaker 6: I think Trump isn't it's Trump? I mean, you know

1464
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 6: that's been proven over and over again. You know when

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01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 6: when Trumpyan candidates stand up often, you know, they just

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01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 6: do particularly well because they haven't got this magnetism that

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01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 6: he's got. They haven't got the sort of chrisma that

1468
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 6: he's got, they haven't got this sort of personal cult

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01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 6: following that he's got. I do think trump Ism needs Trump.

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Speaker 6: The other thing I'd say, looking forward back is what

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Speaker 6: we've seen here is something quite new in American politics

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01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 6: in recent times, which is, you know, you've had one

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01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 6: term of Trump followed by one term of Biden followed

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01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 6: by another Trump. You know, you don't generally get consecutive

1475
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 6: one term presidencies. You generally get you know, the pattern

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01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 6: more recently has been, you know, Clinton not two terms,

1477
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 6: Bush got two terms, Obama got two terms. Now you've

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01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 6: had one Trump one Biden one Trump.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 6: So what I'm saying is there's a big mood of

1481
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 6: anti incumbency. And this is a global thing, right, This

1482
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 6: isn't just in America. There's rage out there. It's inflation driven,

1483
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 6: it's economy driven, and a lot of governments aren't sticking

1484
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 6: around for long. You know. You look at Britain, it's

1485
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 6: got a new government, and the new government is already hated.

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01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 6: It's only been there about five months. You know, the

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01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 6: politics at the moment of the world are very febra.

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Speaker 2: Where do you, Rickham, as you and I will gather

1489
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 2: in thirty years time when we're seriously old and mean

1490
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 2: and we'll look back, we'll look back on what Trump was,

1491
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 2: what he is, and what he was about. Where where

1492
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 2: do you reckon he sits? How remarkable is he?

1493
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 7: Well?

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01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 6: Look, my argument in the book The Forever War is

1495
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 6: that Trump is as much a product of American history

1496
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 6: as Abraham Lincoln, as John F. Kennedy as Ronald Reagan,

1497
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 6: as Joe Biden, a Barack Obama. It's just the history

1498
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 6: that we tend to forget, overlook and sometimes conceal. And

1499
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 6: it's a history, Mike that often contradicts the grand narrative

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Speaker 6: that a lot of people like to buy into that

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Speaker 6: America is this story of progress, that America's history of advancement.

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Speaker 6: You know, you get Barack Obama the first African American president,

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Speaker 6: so you're going to get the first female president, Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 6: Now that didn't happen in twoenty and sixteen, as both

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Speaker 6: of us know, and there was this feeling, well, if

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Speaker 6: America is going to progress, it's going to have a

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Speaker 6: black female president. You know, history doesn't work like that.

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Speaker 6: American history doesn't work like that. Trump taps into a

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Speaker 6: kind of natives't that's always been there. There's always been

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Speaker 6: any chance of getting re election. You know, Conspiratorialism has

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Speaker 6: always been part of the American story. You know, it's

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Speaker 6: the it's the American story that people kind of like

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Speaker 6: to turn away from. They want to avert their gaze

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Speaker 6: from but it's a history that makes sense of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Amazing all right, mate, Always a pleasure catch up soon.

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Speaker 2: James has a word.

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Speaker 18: No matter what the next administration throws at us, we're ready.

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Speaker 18: We're ready to respond to their attacks. So despite what

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Speaker 18: has happened on the national stage, we will continue to

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Speaker 18: stand tall in the face of injustice, revenge or retribution.

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Speaker 18: This is not the time to be fearful New York,

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Speaker 18: but faithful insteadfasts knowing that I, as the Attorney General,

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Speaker 18: along with my entire team, we are guardians of the

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Speaker 18: law and we are prepared, my friends, to fight.

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Speaker 2: Back on medication. How lose that, We're prepared to fight back.

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Speaker 2: So that's Lutucia James Lee AG. We'll have some more

1554
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Speaker 2: on that, and then we'll go to Britain with Ron

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Speaker 2: Little up the news which is.

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Speaker 12: Next they views, bold opinions, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 2: Talk part of the ongoing commentry as the day unfolds,

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Speaker 2: the day after unfolds. Larry Kudlow, who worked, of course,

1560
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 2: with Trump for a period of time these days, makes

1561
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Speaker 2: us living on Fox. He's got a view.

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Speaker 13: Trump has assembled, bolstered and expanded this populist coalition of

1563
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 13: working folks and middle Americans, Blacks, whites, men, women, union, Latinos, blacks,

1564
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Speaker 13: young people. You go down the list of the numbers.

1565
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Speaker 13: You have seen the numbers, how much he improved from

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Speaker 13: twenty twenty people. They didn't understand it. People wanted the

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Speaker 13: country changed direction.

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Speaker 2: Then we come to the UK, where a couple of

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01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 2: them might have some answers next time they meet up

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Speaker 2: with mister Trump. One of them, of courses, mister Keio Starma, Can.

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Speaker 22: I begin by congratulating present Elect Trump on his historic

1572
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Speaker 22: election victory as the closest of allies, the UK and

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Speaker 22: US for continue to work together to protect our shad

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Speaker 22: values of freedom and democracy.

1575
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 2: Hm, he might do you remember, mister Trump might be saying,

1576
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 2: what about all the volunteers? Ka what happened there anyway,

1577
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 2: other side of the house bedknock new touring leader ahead

1578
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 2: of first PMQ's and she wasn't holding back.

1579
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Speaker 9: The Prime Minister and the Foreign Sectary met him in September.

1580
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 9: Did the Foreign Secretary take that opportunity to apologize for

1581
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 9: making derogatory and scatological references including and I quote Trump

1582
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 9: is not only a woman hating, neo Nazi sympathizing sociopath,

1583
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Speaker 9: he is also a profound threat to the international order.

1584
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Speaker 1: And if he did not apologize, well.

1585
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Speaker 9: The Prime Minister do so now on his behalf.

1586
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Speaker 1: International correspondence with insie eye insurance peace of mind.

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Speaker 7: For New Zealand business, it's.

1588
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Speaker 2: Been the k a UK run Little morning to you mate,

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01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 2: good morning, doing it very well. Indeed, so how does

1590
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 2: KIA explain a lot of labor volunteers? And assuming sopheling.

1591
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Speaker 7: Up the president, it couldn't be a worse day for

1592
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 7: Keir Stana and he's had a few bad days recently.

1593
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 7: I mean, that's actually the least of what the walking

1594
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 7: calamity that is David Lammy has said about Donald Trump.

1595
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 7: There's quotes collated by one of the newspapers here, The

1596
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:21,599
Speaker 7: Telegraph I think it is of more than twenty from

1597
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 7: bench labor people dissing Trump, including it Milliband saying, you know,

1598
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Speaker 7: he's a serial groper and a racist and a these

1599
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 7: dods saying, you know, is the worst possible thing for

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Speaker 7: the future of the world. And they've all said this

1601
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 7: completely lacking the nouse that you know, this might at

1602
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 7: some point come back to bite them, that it might

1603
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 7: be possible that Donald Trump might win, and so they

1604
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 7: are in a real stuck. What they're trying to do.

1605
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 7: What Ka is trying to do is trying to beef up.

1606
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 7: Suggests that he has been very carefully mending any damage

1607
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 7: that has been done with the Trump A team over

1608
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 7: the last few months, including sending the idiot Lammy over

1609
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 7: to Washington to meet meet with the Trump team and

1610
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 7: have dinner with them. And I think Lammy had dinner

1611
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Speaker 7: with Vance, But I wouldn't you read what they've said

1612
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 7: about Trump, and there's no question about it. They despise

1613
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 7: and blothe him. And when Trump came to visit, came

1614
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 7: on a state visit back when we had a conservative government,

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01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 7: the Labor Party tried to stop him coming. And so

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01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,839
Speaker 7: you should be allowed in the leader of the free world,

1617
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 7: so they have to face reality a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I think we're a little bit exercise, given we're a

1619
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 2: free trading nation over the talk around tariffs and what

1620
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 2: he's going to do and what means for us, What

1621
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 2: about things like trade for the UK and whether or

1622
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 2: not this is going to be material for you.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well it should be. It should be. And previously

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01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 7: under the previous Trump presidency, there were hopes that we

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Speaker 7: would get very very good deals, indeed possibly with you know,

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Speaker 7: a complex so it might be with individual states such

1627
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Speaker 7: as Texas or California. But I think there is now

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01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 7: such bad will between between Trump and the labor government

1629
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 7: that it's hard to see us being at the front

1630
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Speaker 7: of the key for any deals that might come about.

1631
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Speaker 7: That being said, it is generally the case that the

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Speaker 7: UK is better off with a republican administration. The Republicans

1633
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 7: tend to look on the UK in a slightly more

1634
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 7: cungby like than do the Democrats, where there's always a

1635
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 7: problem about imperialism and a problem about Ireland as well.

1636
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Speaker 7: So maybe it we'll settle down in time, but at

1637
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 7: the moment it is an absolute nightmare for kirs Darmer.

1638
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Speaker 2: What I always like about the Queen where she was

1639
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 2: able to hide her to stain given all circumstances. And

1640
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Speaker 2: I just wonder if Charles, when he inevitably ends up

1641
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 2: standing next to Trump, I can do the same thing,

1642
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 2: because you can only wonder how much his eyes were

1643
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 2: rolling last night.

1644
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Speaker 7: Yes, Charles isn't the greatest of concealing his views, and

1645
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 7: he does get very snippy from time to time. That

1646
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 7: being said, I think he is going to be utilized

1647
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Speaker 7: a lot because it's kind of the acceptable site of

1648
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 7: the British establishment if you're Trump. Trump enjoyed his hobnobbing

1649
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:38,600
Speaker 7: with the Queen very much, indeed, and talked about it

1650
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 7: a lot. So I think the Royal family is going

1651
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 7: to be very very important. Rather the Royal Family than

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01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 7: David Lammy, I think will be the way they look

1653
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 7: at it. Meanwhile, you know, over here, Mike, I've spent

1654
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Speaker 7: the entire day gufoy at the at the reactions of

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01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 7: the of the of the left liberals over here who

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01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 7: have just throw their toys out of the pram. Television personalities.

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01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 7: I think Emily Mate this was taken off television because

1658
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 7: she swore she was so angry that was in a

1659
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 7: program last night and Carol Vorderman, who some of your

1660
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 7: listeners may well remember, saying predicting millions of women are

1661
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 7: coming up to vote for vote for Harris, she will

1662
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Speaker 7: definitely win. That was about twenty four hours ago. It's

1663
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 7: been a remarkable day of loathing and hatred from the left.

1664
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Speaker 2: Yes it is. And the question we've been asking ourselves

1665
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,600
Speaker 2: this morning is whether those people sort of learned from it,

1666
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Speaker 2: or get it, or whatever the case might be. I

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Speaker 2: liked we preached it in PMQ's her first PMQ, So

1668
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Speaker 2: you don't want to underestimate, you know, at the moment

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Speaker 2: in time.

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Speaker 7: I like the cut of her gym Oh, she's good

1671
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 7: and she will shake up starmer of PMQ. She's a

1672
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 7: far far better performer than he is, and very very sharp,

1673
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Speaker 7: and she said the right thing. You know, you should apologize, which,

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01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 7: of course he was loads to do and just continued

1675
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 7: in toning, as she pointed out, by reading from his notes,

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01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:10,639
Speaker 7: which is all he does. You know, he doesn't address

1677
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 7: anything directly as to your main point. They still don't

1678
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 7: get it, you know, they do not get why country

1679
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 7: after country in Europe has voted for someone in the

1680
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 7: kind of trumpish mold and now America has done it

1681
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 7: as well. They do not understand, you know that the

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Speaker 7: Liberals have now lost all touched with the ordinary working voter,

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Speaker 7: a working man who votes, and that those votes are

1684
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Speaker 7: lost to them.

1685
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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, hey, listen. We had Boris on the other

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Speaker 2: day on the program and we're talking about a variety

1687
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 2: of things, and he's a huge fan of Trump obviously,

1688
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 2: but I asked him speak speaking of individuals and characters

1689
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Do you think it's true, I

1690
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 2: asked him, and he said yes, if he'd still been

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01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,679
Speaker 2: there and they hadn't pained he if he didn't wasn't

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01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 2: going to win, it would have been close. Any may

1693
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 2: well have won. Do you think that's sure or not.

1694
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 7: I think it's quite possible. That has to be matched

1695
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 7: up against the usual twelve year cycle of British elections,

1696
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 7: which is just that no matter who's in charge, people

1697
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 7: are sick of the government. You know, they're sick of

1698
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 7: the Tory government. So that would still have played. I

1699
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 7: think he would have done better than Rishi seen that.

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01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 7: So I don't think you'd have seen a majority anything

1701
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 7: like the one we saw.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Always please you might go, well, have a

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01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,640
Speaker 2: good week in We'll see your Tuesday, ronin Little eight forty.

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Speaker 2: Morning, Mike. Can you explain why Fox called it so

1707
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Speaker 2: much earlier than the other networks. I don't think they did.

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01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 2: I watched several networks, and times they were early, at

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Speaker 2: times they were later than others. Seen In called some

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Speaker 2: states earlier than Fox. Fox called some states earlier than

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Speaker 2: other CNBC. I watched Very Good Place in the Sidney

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01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 2: Morning Here all this morning, drifting down the door they

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01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 2: review the American television cover. Drifting down the dial, you

1714
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 2: pass the second grades, the MSNBC's righteous home of the left,

1715
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 2: the Business channel CNBC, even further down the fringe dwellers,

1716
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 2: News Max, Script News, Blaze TV, and the pro Trump

1717
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 2: all Flags Blazing one American news network of everyone who

1718
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 2: was not CNN or Fox News, news nations seem to

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01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 2: have the strongest traction, largely thanks to the presence of

1720
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 2: Square George former CNN anchor Chris Cuomo. In many ways,

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01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 2: election nights are to rolling TV news coverage what telethons

1722
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:29,639
Speaker 2: are to live TV events. The offspring of a school

1723
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 2: reunion zoom call and a hostage video filled with awkwardness,

1724
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 2: occasional ice breaking chatter, and a tendency to look from

1725
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 2: side to side, wondering whether to interrupt the stilted conversation

1726
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 2: or wait quietly before sneaking out. It's quite nicely put,

1727
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 2: isn't it, Mike? Why the hell's everyone so upset wanting

1728
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 2: to march over the treaty bill when it's only been

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01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 2: made public today. It pisses me off, Well, don't be

1730
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 2: pissed off about it, ross and life's too short for that.

1731
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 2: The reason they're upset is because they will be upset,

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01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:57,600
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what the bill says. I mean, there's a

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01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 2: lot of that defense going, well, you haven't seen what's

1734
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 2: in the bill. What's in the bill today will not

1735
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 2: quell those who do not want to be happy about it.

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01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 2: It's a general theme that this government are beating up

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01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:12,799
Speaker 2: on Maori, which isn't true, of course, but that's the theme.

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01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,679
Speaker 2: And so whatever the bill says today is will make

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01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 2: literally no difference. And so they've decided they're angry. They've

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01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 2: decided it's not fair. They've decided they want to march

1741
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 2: and fight it, and yell and scream and angst, and

1742
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 2: that will be the way of it for the next

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01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 2: six months, remembering, of course it will be read next week,

1744
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:32,480
Speaker 2: debated next week, sent off to the committee, the Select Committee,

1745
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 2: and from there it will come back and at which

1746
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 2: point it will die because national are adamant that they

1747
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 2: are not supporting it any further.

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Speaker 1: It is ten to nine the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 1: the Range Rover Villa News.

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01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 2: Talks v In answer to your question specifically on how

1751
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 2: they call it and why they call it. When they

1752
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:53,599
Speaker 2: call it, what they do is as the boat gets

1753
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 2: close in ninety something percent of the voters, and they

1754
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 2: look at what's left out uncounted, and they look at

1755
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 2: the gap between the winner and the loser currently, and

1756
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 2: they look at the trend so far, and if they

1757
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 2: can't add up the number of votes left in the

1758
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 2: way it's trended so far to the point where that

1759
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 2: gap can close to make it a winner or loss

1760
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 2: or a tire or whatever. In other words, when they

1761
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 2: become confident that there's not enough vote left to change anything,

1762
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 2: that's essentially when they call it, and that's based on

1763
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,000
Speaker 2: how fast they crunch the numbers and how fast they

1764
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,680
Speaker 2: get access to the data in the first place. By

1765
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 2: the way, they've been overnight the Best Chef Awards in

1766
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 2: Dubai and so they've been all sorts of interesting people

1767
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 2: all over the world that have won all sorts of

1768
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 2: interesting awards. But the best Dining Experience I know what

1769
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 2: a great deal of interest has gone to Vaughan Marby

1770
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 2: who runs Ammersfield in Central Otago, which if you've never

1771
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 2: been to you must because it's one of the must

1772
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 2: dos in that particular part of the world. But to

1773
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 2: go up against the luminaries of the culinary world, the

1774
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 2: Best Dining Experience awards goes to Ammersfield. So we are

1775
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 2: leading the way globally, which is very nice. Indeed, congratulations

1776
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 2: to all the team. And if you've never been gone

1777
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 2: six minutes away from.

1778
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 1: Nine trending now with chemist Wells great savings every.

1779
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 2: Day, So the pointment of people is going to be fascinating.

1780
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 2: There is a feeling of saints, mainly driven by Trump

1781
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 2: of course, that JFK is going to get the health job.

1782
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 2: I mean RFK, my apologies. RFK is going to get

1783
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,640
Speaker 2: the health job, and so how that's going to unfold

1784
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 2: is going to be interesting. Because of course RFK is

1785
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 2: against the vaccines, but he's done an interview this morning

1786
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 2: with MSNBC says vaccines are going to study, but he

1787
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 2: is going to clean house.

1788
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 11: In some categories of worker their entire departments, like the

1789
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 11: nutrition departments at FDA that are that have to go

1790
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 11: that are are not doing their job. They're not protecting

1791
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 11: our kids. Why do we have fruit loops in this country?

1792
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 11: There are eighteen or nineteen ingredients and you go to

1793
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 11: Canada and it's got two or three.

1794
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 14: Would you eliminate any of the agencies.

1795
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:03,639
Speaker 11: The agency it is as long as it requires congradual approval,

1796
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:06,759
Speaker 11: I wouldn't be doing her. I can get the corruption

1797
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 11: out of the agencies. That's what I've been doing for

1798
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 11: forty years. I've sued all those agencies. I have a

1799
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 11: PhD in corporate corruption and that's what I do. And

1800
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 11: once they're not corrupt on some Americans are getting good

1801
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:20,639
Speaker 11: science and are allowed to make their own choices, They're

1802
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:21,839
Speaker 11: going to get a lot of healthier.

1803
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 2: Going to be fascinating to see how it all unfolds.

1804
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 2: If there's one person I would like to see, I mean,

1805
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 2: there were some people in there. I look at Kellyanne Conway.

1806
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 2: She wasn't bad. I cannot remember the woman's name in

1807
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 2: Elwick's for Fox, younger blonde woman. She's a host these days.

1808
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 2: She was his spokesperson for a period of time and

1809
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 2: replaced Garamucci. Come on, she was there for the longest

1810
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 2: time anyway? Is Nicki Haley? Nicki Haley stood out to

1811
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 2: me to be And I know they said some stuff

1812
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 2: in the campaign, and I know she ran against them

1813
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 2: and all of that, but when she was ambassador to

1814
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 2: the United Nations, she immediately struck you as one of

1815
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 2: the more intelligent, cogent cohesi sort of operators and that

1816
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:04,720
Speaker 2: particular side of the party. And so if she gets

1817
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 2: a good job, that's no bad thing. So we'll see.

1818
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 19: Kaylee mcinennie is.

1819
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:08,919
Speaker 2: Macin anie exactly.

1820
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 15: Yeah, stupid name.

1821
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 2: So whether hard to say whether they would. I mean,

1822
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,679
Speaker 2: they're they're they're Wisconsin Fox. They won't be back, will

1823
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 2: they will? Sean Spice to be back? Where's old Shawn

1824
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 2: these days? Do you think he's ringing Sean this morning

1825
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 2: saying Sean, he's ringing.

1826
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 15: The cad is going to be back, isn't he?

1827
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 20: Do you?

1828
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:23,679
Speaker 2: Reckon Caudlo's going.

1829
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 19: But that's what I say.

1830
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 2: He is going to be back Fox, go back to

1831
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 2: the Trumps.

1832
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 15: I think he's open to people working both jobs at once.

1833
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 2: Isn't he? And which point? What do you give Sean Hannity?

1834
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:37,680
Speaker 2: No one stuck by Trump more than Sean Hannity, What

1835
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 2: do you give Sean Hannity now that vice President's gone? Anyway?

1836
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:43,600
Speaker 2: Back tomorrow morning from six Happy.

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01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:53,880
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1838
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:56,920
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1839
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:58,800
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