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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Souththerby's International Realty, local and

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Speaker 2: On the Huddle of me Nick Legget Infrastructure in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand and Rob Campbell at Chancellor in former Health New

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Speaker 2: Zealand s heare hello, are.

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Speaker 3: You too afternoon? Comrade?

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Speaker 2: Who are you trying to trigger by saying that I

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Speaker 2: didn't know it trigger anybody? It felt pointed, didn't it, Nick?

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Speaker 2: I don't believe this protestation of innocence to you.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was amusing.

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Speaker 2: Listen, Rob, I do need to talk to you about

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Speaker 2: this conference. How please explain to me why Health New

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Speaker 2: Zealand needs to get four hundred finance people into a

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Speaker 2: room together. What's the value in that?

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Speaker 4: I would say zero. It never happened when I was

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Speaker 4: involved with Tatura. And that's really the issue of these things.

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Speaker 4: I mean, whether that costs X y Z decayed for

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Speaker 4: them or not as not really a very big part

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Speaker 4: of the cost. I don't think. The question is whether

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Speaker 4: you need to have who of the size of this

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Speaker 4: type at all and what the priorities that are being

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Speaker 4: applied are. So yeah, I think it's very disappointing to

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Speaker 4: hear that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Rob, if you and I cannot and we're

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Speaker 2: totally different life experiences, but neither of us and you

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Speaker 2: obviously know what you're talking about, neither of us actually

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Speaker 2: know why they need to have a conference like this,

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Speaker 2: Then why are they having a conference like this? This

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Speaker 2: is just a bit of a whoy, a little get together.

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Speaker 4: I think my experiences, when you have a lot of managers,

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Speaker 4: they tend to make things up for themselves to do,

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Speaker 4: and I think that's been a problem in health for

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Speaker 4: quite some time, not focusing on the real issues at

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Speaker 4: I mean, there is a need to communicate and coordinate

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Speaker 4: amongst the various finance teams that operate into Fartara, but

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Speaker 4: that does not have to happen and in fact doesn't

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Speaker 4: most efficiently happen by getting them together for who of

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Speaker 4: that kind. So I think it's a nonsense. And the catering,

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Speaker 4: it's just a small part of it.

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Speaker 2: Nick, what proportion do you think of conferences in the

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Speaker 2: public sector? Are just parties no value? Otherwise?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's difficult to say. I mean, the thing is

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Speaker 3: going to provide value for their organization and for their

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Speaker 3: role to be able to get together where it's needed.

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Speaker 3: The issue is it's hard to defend when it's four

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Speaker 3: hundred people who are already part of the same system.

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Speaker 3: And I think, as Rob says, it's not always the

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Speaker 3: face to face, it's actually this should be operating as

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Speaker 3: one system anyway. It becomes very hard to justify when

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Speaker 3: you're an organization under pressure and you know very much

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Speaker 3: in the red Nick isst.

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Speaker 2: This stuff just happens because people are like, you know what,

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Speaker 2: we deserve a little We deserve a little trip to

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Speaker 2: Eden Park and or sky Stadium, and if you cannopad,

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Speaker 2: should we do that. I feel like they're taking the mickey.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's become part of the culture in

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Speaker 3: But the justification, if it's not ready and evident upon scrutiny,

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Speaker 3: then you know that it probably wasn't done for the

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Speaker 3: right reasons. And I haven't heard a good defense here,

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Speaker 3: so there you go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a widespread as well.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's limited to the public sector. You know,

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Speaker 4: these things happen a lot in the private sector as well.

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Speaker 4: And you know one of the reasons. Funnily enough, I'm

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Speaker 4: not allowed to advertise for anyone, am I. But I

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Speaker 4: was at an airline today, quite a big one in

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Speaker 2: I wonder which one that is?

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Speaker 4: Yes, carry on, Yeah, well they were complaining about you know,

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Speaker 4: there are thirty percent drop in revenue that they're experienced.

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Speaker 4: A significant part of that is that people are not

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Speaker 4: having the number of conferences in the amount of travel

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Speaker 4: that they used to have. So you know, it possibly

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Speaker 4: is self correcting to some extent. But I wouldn't anyone

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Speaker 4: like anyone to think that this was purely a problem.

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Speaker 2: No, But you see there, here's the thing, rob. If

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Speaker 2: you're a private company and you want to get your

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Speaker 2: people together for some kind of you know, cultural lift

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Speaker 2: or you know, like you want to you want to

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Speaker 2: lift the culture of the place or whatever, be my guest.

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Speaker 2: I'm not paying for it. But with the public sector,

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Speaker 2: we are, which is why we hold them to account

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Speaker 4: Right, Well you are you are probably paying for it

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Speaker 4: if you're a customer, so it gets built into the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose.

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Speaker 4: Through the text that you're not able to avoid this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, guys, at your point, we'll take a break,

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Speaker 2: come back very shortly the.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Sotheby's International Realty, elevate the marketing

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the Hudle, Nick Legand and Rob Campbell. Nick,

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Speaker 2: I'm keenan. You'll take on Jeff Bezos thinking that he's

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Speaker 2: fixing media bias by taking away presidential endorsements. What do

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Speaker 3: I would have had more sympathy for his position had

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Speaker 3: it had he uttered it three months ago, not right

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Speaker 3: at the point of the campaign, when the when the

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Speaker 3: endorsement was due. Look, it's a different it's a different environment,

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Speaker 3: doesn't it. In the United States in terms of media

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Speaker 3: to New Zealand, we tend to although you can sometimes

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Speaker 3: see a slant in the media, we tend to be

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Speaker 3: a little bit more independent independent here and we don't

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Speaker 3: expect to hear from our media. It seems to me

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Speaker 3: as though this is a bunch of billionaires hedging their

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Speaker 3: because I think you should have the courage of your convictions.

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Speaker 3: But that also means that you can have the courage

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Speaker 3: not to say anything, and that's what he's chosen to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I sort of feel rob that. Actually I don't

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Speaker 2: mind media biased, but I don't want media pretend to

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Speaker 2: pretend that they're not biased when they are. And actually

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Speaker 2: a presidential endorsement is quite a nice little signal of

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Speaker 2: where you sit, and I appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: What do you think, Yeah, I had noticed that you

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Speaker 4: were in opposed to a bit of media bias here.

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Speaker 4: They're actually you for noticing that from time to time. Look,

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Speaker 4: everyone's biased about various things, and the idea that these

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Speaker 4: I've got some real doubts about I think it's a

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Speaker 4: someone like Bezos that someone like Musk is getting more

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Speaker 4: publicity for being an idiot, so he thinks he wants

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Speaker 4: And there's a little bit of a pissing contest, isn't it,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose it's probably an elemented truth to that. Nick,

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Speaker 2: what do you make of the cops opposing the fundraiser

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Speaker 2: for suicide serving any alcohol because of the link between

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Speaker 3: I think it is a complete overstep on behalf of

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Speaker 3: authorities this. I've read about the woman who was putting

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Speaker 3: on this event to draw attention to mental health and suicide.

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Speaker 3: She had been very open about her own struggles with

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Speaker 3: having food throughout and free water. It was a It

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Speaker 3: was an event that was really I think, showcasing how

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Speaker 3: alcohol can be a moderate backdrop to a nice social event.

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Speaker 3: That's what we should be aiming for as a country.

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Speaker 3: Banning and stopping brings out the very behaviors that the

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Speaker 3: police and Department of Health say that they're trying to stop.

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Speaker 3: When you ban something just and our record in this

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Speaker 3: and six o'clock closing, get it, God get us. It

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Speaker 3: got us too much drinking in too short a time.

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Speaker 3: And I think we're still living with the consequences of that. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I think we should educate about alcohol. Of course we should.

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Speaker 3: a society more conservative about the way New Zealanders drink

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Speaker 2: How the corps become so weird about alcohol. Oh, I

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Speaker 2: can't hear you, Rob.

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Speaker 4: It's certainly going to cause some distress amongst police, social

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Speaker 4: HOYPELOI when they're out meeting them. So this is you know,

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Speaker 4: the next point is quite right, there are alcohol issues

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Speaker 4: in New Zealand. They are quite serious. But this is

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Speaker 4: I think, frankly trivializing the real issues of both suicide

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Speaker 2: Yep, I agree with you, okay, Nick? Yes or no?

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Speaker 2: The hakker before the All Blacks Games. Should it be

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Speaker 2: banned for being ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: Of course not. You love it?

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Speaker 3: Do you want me to go on?

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Speaker 4: Go on?

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Speaker 3: I mean like some guy sort of from you know,

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Speaker 3: the UK gets sort of I don't know when he

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Speaker 3: it's kind of the point and like it's a there's

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Speaker 3: a uniquely New Zealand display and also Oceany if you

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Speaker 3: look at all the other Pacific nations that do a version,

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Speaker 3: that's a way that we can display. That's it's this

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Speaker 3: and I think here we was proud of it and

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Speaker 3: we shouldn't be worried about what some opposing team says.

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Speaker 3: You don't go and find your own thing to do, mate?

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Speaker 3: He rob you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Joe Mahler is what Mark Mitchure would

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Speaker 4: call an idiot. People shouldn't take any notice of them.

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Speaker 2: Guys, Thank you really appreciate take on Everything Today Is.

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Speaker 2: Nick Legan and Rob Campbell are hudle.

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