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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand's Tutherbe's International Realty, local and

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Speaker 1: global exposure like no other tuddle.

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Speaker 2: Of us this evening for low Riley Iron Duke Partners

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Speaker 2: and former Boss of the Business New Zealand and Richard

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Speaker 2: Hill's Auckland councilor Hell are you too?

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Speaker 3: Hey? You going Phil?

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Speaker 1: Very well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you Phil? What do you reckon my chances of

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Speaker 2: getting an apology out of Chippya?

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Speaker 3: I think about this this afternoon. I think the answers

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Speaker 3: are the answer is zero or less. But I think

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Speaker 3: and I hope that he and others in the government

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Speaker 3: reflect on what the Royal Commission has said today. Was

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Speaker 3: their Royal Commission. They set it up, they gave it

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Speaker 3: the terms of reference. I hope they reflect on it

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Speaker 3: and give us a little bit more than a statement

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Speaker 3: that it was interesting or useful. I think he said

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Speaker 3: this afternoon, and he hasn't had a chance to read

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Speaker 3: the reports so all by that. But I hope that

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Speaker 3: they will reflect because I think a lot what this

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Speaker 3: report's about is healing. We need to heal the divisions

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Speaker 3: that have gone on in our society. We need to

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Speaker 3: move back to some sort of consensus on this mediicine

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Speaker 3: sort of cohesion and some reflection from those who are

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Speaker 3: in charge at the time I think will be an

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Speaker 3: important part of that.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon Richard?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I haven't had a chance to read

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Speaker 4: or seven hundred pages.

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Speaker 2: Just have you not just come from what have you

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Speaker 2: been doing with you died?

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Speaker 4: That's all meetings. But yeah, reading the high level stuff,

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Speaker 4: it does point to things did go too far in

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Speaker 4: the end. I think it's clear that, you know, the

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Speaker 4: inquiry saying that with the information they had and the unknowns,

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Speaker 4: you know, coming through twenty twenty twenty twenty one, they

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Speaker 4: were doing the best thing they possibly could. And if

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Speaker 4: you remember back then, everyone was demanding more and more

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Speaker 4: and more. I remember the ridiculousness around the border of

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Speaker 4: from media, from people on the street, from opposition parties.

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Speaker 4: At the time, everyone was kind of like do everything

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Speaker 4: to protect and then the public mood switched what felt

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Speaker 4: like quite quickly, but the government did not catch up

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Speaker 4: with that sentiment, especially with the how long the Auckland

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Speaker 4: lockdown went and also those mandates like why did they

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Speaker 4: have to continue into twenty twenty two with or MI

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Speaker 4: chron would delta? The vaccine was actually really dampening that off,

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Speaker 4: and then Omnikron took cough. You know, I think we

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Speaker 4: will look back at the good things that they saved.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people if you look around the world,

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Speaker 4: but there's a lot of hur out there, clearly as

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Speaker 4: seen through this commission.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Phil. You know, look, every one of

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Speaker 2: us knows, right, you never make it through through life,

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Speaker 2: or through a major project, or through anything really without

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Speaker 2: stuffing something up and needing to apologize to somebody for it.

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Speaker 2: And it wouldn't be the end. It would actually be

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Speaker 2: quite a good thing for them to say sorry to

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Speaker 2: people who are the most affected here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, particularly given well they send you

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Speaker 3: the reflection I think, I mean just this point, they

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Speaker 3: they would have done differently, and perhaps to accept some

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Speaker 3: of the criticisms of the Royal Commission, because the point

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Speaker 3: that Richard makes is, you know, they did the best

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Speaker 3: they can. Well look at the damage that was caused,

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Speaker 3: not just the damage to those who couldn't come home

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Speaker 3: to New Zealand, but the damage done to a generation

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Speaker 3: of young people, mental health damage, damage in terms of

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Speaker 3: educational achievement, and damage to social cohesion, which the Commission

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Speaker 3: points out. I mean, the chances of us actually agreeing

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Speaker 3: as a country to go into another lockdown, I think

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Speaker 3: just basically zero. That's the damage that was done. And

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Speaker 3: I think that requires sensible reflection, because I think that's

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Speaker 3: the way if they're going to go on, nothing to

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Speaker 3: see here, move on. I don't think that's going to

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Speaker 3: let people overcome the anger that they feel and let

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Richard, have you changed your mind about the fact.

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Speaker 2: Have you at any point asked yourself whether the lockdowns

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Speaker 2: and the closed border was the right thing to do.

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Speaker 4: At the very beginning?

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Speaker 2: No, now, like in retrospect, have you ever sat down

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Speaker 2: and thought, hmm, I wonder if that was the right

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Speaker 2: thing to do, if we should have done to Sweden.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's hard to like for me to say what

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Speaker 4: would have been the case, because you do look at

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Speaker 4: I mean, you go to American people are still wearing

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Speaker 4: lost family members on both sides of the couple through

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Speaker 4: So we didn't get that experience here, and it is

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Speaker 4: hard to it's hard to know what it would have

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Speaker 4: been like to lose tons of people and and what

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Speaker 4: you phil.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever interrogated whether it was the right actually

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Speaker 2: fundamentally whether that whole approach was the right approach.

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Speaker 3: I have, And you look at you look at what

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Speaker 3: happened with Sweden and some of those who took a

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Speaker 3: more if you're like, a more kind of trusting approach

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Speaker 3: to their citizens. You look at the long run impact

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Speaker 3: their children, the health of their old people, and so on.

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Speaker 3: You've got to argue, in hindsight, maybe they had at

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Speaker 3: least as right as we did. Take that aside, though,

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Speaker 3: New Zealand is an ireland and it's always there's always

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Speaker 3: an easy thing for an island just to close its borders,

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Speaker 3: and particularly the first few weeks, I think that was

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Speaker 3: logical because we just didn't know. Remember that we didn't

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Speaker 3: We didn't know what was going on here. People appeared

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Speaker 3: to be dying, there was a there was an awful

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Speaker 3: lot of stuff going on in the press, so it

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Speaker 3: probably was. But I think, you know, a more trusting

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Speaker 3: but people, and I think that kind of more more

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Speaker 3: balanced approach would have actually seen us through. And I

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Speaker 3: hope now that now we see the long run cost

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Speaker 3: to it, to our society and to particularly to young people.

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Speaker 3: I hope that policymakers will make some slightly different decisions

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Speaker 3: over that happens again, all right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Richard Goes.

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Speaker 4: I think if the twenty twenty one lockdown didn't happen,

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Speaker 4: we'd probably look at it very differently, because you did

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Speaker 4: look around the world, and I talk to friends in Australia, America,

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Speaker 4: the UK. They were locked down and couldn't into restaurants

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Speaker 4: whole of twenty twenty almost doing stuff. So at that

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Speaker 4: time it seemed it's shifting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the mood kept shift.

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Speaker 4: Everything shifted, and then overseas shifted and we were all

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Speaker 2: And now we're pavo, aren't we? Because of what we did?

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Speaker 2: Aren't we? Richard?

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Speaker 4: Well, everyone's a little povo, but well we're more Pavo

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Speaker 2: Rest of them, aren't we.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the huddle for low Riley and

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Speaker 2: Richard Hill's Richard, do you like the fake meat? Becau's

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Speaker 2: got another business that's gone under two of them this

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Speaker 2: year in New Zealand. What's the problem? Are we not

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Speaker 2: getting into the fake meat?

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Speaker 4: I don't eat a lot of red meat anyway, but

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Speaker 4: I don't. I'm not a fan of the fake meat.

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Speaker 4: But I know a lot of people do like it.

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Speaker 4: There's the one in the commercial bay which seems a popular.

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Speaker 2: So have you got friends who eat fake meat? Not friends?

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Speaker 2: But you know, no, nobody has friends who eat fake meat.

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Speaker 2: I don't have any friends who eat fake meat, don't know.

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Speaker 3: I have very few friends fake meat. Fake meat for

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Speaker 3: me is about as pleasant as bicycling. You know, I

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Speaker 3: look forward to fake meat as much as I look

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Speaker 3: forward to bicycling, and for the same reason. It's uncomfortably healthy.

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Speaker 3: But you know the so I know I don't. I

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Speaker 3: don't need it. Having said that, fake meat, this kind

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Speaker 3: of this this digital meet, whatever they're calling it, will

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Speaker 3: have a place. I mean, you'll see these startups come

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Speaker 3: and go as they move into this new world. But

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Speaker 3: it'll turn up somewhere I might turn up and in

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Speaker 3: food that you can't taste it or something there there'll

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Speaker 3: be some breakthrough for it.

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Speaker 2: Phil, what's the point, It's just checkpeas if you need

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Speaker 2: it to turn up in your food somewhere. Did just

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Speaker 2: check some chickpeas?

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Speaker 3: We precisely right? I mean I don't. That's why I

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Speaker 3: don't need it. No, I don't particularly like it, but

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Speaker 3: you know it's it's it'll have a place somewhere, and

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Speaker 3: it's likely to actually disrupt red meat production at some

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Speaker 3: stage in the future, if not now, then it's sometimes.

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Speaker 3: So we do need to prepare for it in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: And the way to do that, of course, is to

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Speaker 3: make sure that our beautiful, bloody steaks are the best

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Speaker 3: in the world so that people like you and I can.

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Speaker 1: Have I not have we not?

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Speaker 2: Are we not providing enough evidence for you right now

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Speaker 2: that they will never disrupt red meat because all the

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Speaker 2: businesses that have tried to make fake meat are.

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Speaker 3: Struggling well only in New Zealand, I in the.

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Speaker 2: Ones I've seen in the UK as well.

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Speaker 4: The US is I think found it was about twenty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there'll be a niche for it some

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Speaker 3: we I mean, that's that's the reality of it, because

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Speaker 2: It'll be like it'll be like the fond set. Like

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Speaker 2: there are still people with fondu sets? Do you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean?

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Speaker 3: But most of us don't, you, dear criticized wife.

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Speaker 4: People have their choices, they have let people choose just.

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Speaker 2: Calling out a fad, Hey did you go buy some

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Speaker 2: water today, Richard?

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Speaker 4: No, I there is nothing wrong with our water. I

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Speaker 4: drank it last night, I drank it this morning. I

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Speaker 4: drink it right now in front of you. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: there is a slightly elevated level.

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Speaker 2: Of But how do you feel about the fact that

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Speaker 2: water can you on Tuesday and didn't tell us until

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Speaker 4: I think they knew about the river and then they

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Speaker 4: wanted to test our watersplane. That's the way it happened.

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Speaker 4: So that's the way they told you.

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Speaker 2: But how do you feel about me finding out it

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Speaker 2: on social media? First from somebody's stepmum's boss.

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Speaker 4: What did you want them to ring here?

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Speaker 2: I wanted them to put out a press release.

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Speaker 4: I think that's where I heard him from.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously you didn't find out first from the rumorsville.

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 2: I think if authorities know something, they should make haste

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Speaker 2: to let people know as soon as possible, or they

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Speaker 2: undermine credibility. Wind comes out on social media.

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Speaker 3: Of course they did, because then they'll be chasing their

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Speaker 3: So you're always chasing your tail. But here this is

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Speaker 3: yet another indication that the safest thing of all to

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Speaker 3: drink is of course beer. You should be thinking out

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Speaker 3: on that terms, you know, and getting to people product.

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Speaker 2: Now you say beer and I know what you're actually drinking.

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Speaker 3: Is a good room, isn't it'll do too, It's a

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Speaker 3: second option, you know usnik there I can see so no,

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Speaker 3: it's but I think you're idea that it is. It's

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Speaker 3: important that officials get out there and say say something.

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Speaker 3: At least crazy people are so crazy things and they'll

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Speaker 3: be they'll be chasing the time totally.

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Speaker 2: They did.

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Speaker 4: They did put it out straight away without an announcement,

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Speaker 4: because of probably they didn't want to announce it and

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Speaker 4: they're not.

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Speaker 2: Richard, Richard, No, they didn't. They were just on the

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Speaker 4: But that's what stop telling.

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Speaker 2: Now everybody's going to make it. It's trying to cover

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Speaker 2: for them, because I just.

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Speaker 4: Want people to go to the water Key website to

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Speaker 4: check about the water.

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Speaker 2: Because people go to the water Key website and they

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Speaker 2: might tell you in twelve days.

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Speaker 4: People found out today scared and the water's fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Richard.

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Speaker 4: People you want to scare people.

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Speaker 2: You can either listen to Richard or you could do

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Speaker 2: what fil said and just drink you beer. Guys. Thanks

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Speaker 2: very much for Fella and Richards.

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