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Speaker 1: Did France Casman feel very good morning.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: Make Now how angsty are we given what Biden's done

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Speaker 1: in the last twenty four to forty eight hours.

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Speaker 2: I think everyone's very angsty. And when you look at

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Speaker 2: the reaction, not just to that announcement from President Biden

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Speaker 2: giving Ukraine permission to use those US made short range

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Speaker 2: weapons to use them inside Russia. There's also concern that

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Speaker 2: the German Chancellor Schultz was just out of line by

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Speaker 2: making this phone call to Putin just the last couple

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Speaker 2: of days. It was felt that this was a phone

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Speaker 2: call that hadn't been cleared by the allies. It didn't

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Speaker 2: give the right message to Vledimir Putin that the war

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Speaker 2: in Ukraine had to end and he had to end it.

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Speaker 2: And it came just as the allies, in particular France,

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Speaker 2: the US, the UK were all trying to get together

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Speaker 2: to decide who was going to phone Putin and what

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Speaker 2: they were going to say. So a lot of unhappiness

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Speaker 2: about that. There's also a lot of unhappiness not just

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Speaker 2: from these allies but also from the Polish government saying, look,

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Speaker 2: Germany should be doing more, It should have stepped up

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Speaker 2: and really put forward the possibility of supplying those long

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Speaker 2: range cruise missiles to Ukraine. However, Mike, as we know,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of public support in Germany for Ukraine,

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Speaker 2: but the German Chancellor, of facing elections next year, is

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Speaker 2: just so fearful that Germany could get dragged into the war.

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Speaker 2: But he just doesn't want to take that. Show.

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Speaker 1: A question to come out of that, one of you

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Speaker 1: partially answered, was he acting Schultz unilaterally? If so, why

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Speaker 1: and if that's the case, does that, in some way,

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Speaker 1: shape or form show what an inep did he it

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Speaker 1: he is in terms of his government collapsing in the

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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: I think that's pretty much yes to all of his questions. Mike. Yes,

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Speaker 2: he was acting unilateral, and there are allegations that he

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Speaker 2: was acting simply from an electoral point of view. He's

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Speaker 2: got these elections coming up to deal with his party

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Speaker 2: who feel that he's just been a dud chancellor and

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Speaker 2: he's dud for the party and they may well ditch

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Speaker 2: him ahead of the election. So it was pretty much

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Speaker 2: a domestic political act on his part, all right.

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Speaker 1: So then we come to Marina Penn who, along with

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Speaker 1: her fellow operators isn't caught at the moment, and I

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Speaker 1: note this is due to be wrapped up at the

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Speaker 1: end of November and they're asking for a couple of

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Speaker 1: years in jail. So several part questions is she in trouble,

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Speaker 1: is she going to jail? And where where's that whole

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Speaker 1: the pen movement at She's in a lot of trouble.

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Speaker 2: I've been to a couple of days of this court

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Speaker 2: hearing now, which has been going on for about six weeks.

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Speaker 2: It does look as though there is evidence to convict

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Speaker 2: her and some twenty other members of her party and

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Speaker 2: of officials within her party and employees for embezzling funds. Essentially,

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Speaker 2: what they did, Mike was that when what was in

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Speaker 2: the National Front were MPs in the European Parliament, they

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Speaker 2: were taking money as European Parliamentarians and using it to

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Speaker 2: pay for people to work for the party back in France,

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Speaker 2: for the French part of the party, and that's in

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Speaker 2: Belzemontane's We're talking about millions and millions of euros on this,

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Speaker 2: So it does seem the evidence is there. You do

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Speaker 2: have to remember though, that this is just the prosecutor's request. Nevertheless,

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Speaker 2: last Mike. It is pretty clear in the legislation that

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Speaker 2: was put forward by Parliament version by Parliament that if

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Speaker 2: she is found guilty on these charges, then there is

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Speaker 2: an automatic withdrawal of her ability to be able to

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Speaker 2: stand for public office and to serve in public office

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Speaker 2: for five years. This is a real nail in her

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Speaker 2: coffit of the judge decides on that, because that takes

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Speaker 2: her out of the running for twenty twenty seven presidential election,

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Speaker 2: which was the one that she's been looking at as

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Speaker 2: a last possible chance. Certainly, a lot of people say, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, if she's found guilty, that's the end of it.

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Speaker 2: Good for her, Off she goes. Others are saying, well,

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Speaker 2: is this what we really want to see? How we

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Speaker 2: want to see the end of her career.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's a pleasure. Catherine ketchup next week Catherine Field

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Speaker 1: in front by the way. Just before we leave Europe,

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Speaker 1: German menu Factor is warn of what they're calling a

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Speaker 1: formidable crash. So manufacturing is a problem interesting to read

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Speaker 1: about Germany. Germany once, as I keep saying, the powerhouse

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Speaker 1: of Europe has completely fallen by the wayside. German firms

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Speaker 1: have been hit by a number of problems. What are

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Speaker 1: those problems? Energy prices, that's Europe wired, the Russian invasion,

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Speaker 1: europe wide general inflation, competition from China, but the rundown

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Speaker 1: German infrastructure, rail network, bridges wrotes. Who would have thought

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Speaker 1: that Germany's literally falling apart and just quickly. If you

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Speaker 1: want something else to worry about out of Europe, palmer

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Speaker 1: Ham's in trouble, all sorts of diseases in the pigs.

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Speaker 1: The cost is going up. It's an old family process

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Speaker 1: or an age ol process from Amelia Ramana. And you

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Speaker 1: can add it to the oil, you can add it

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Speaker 1: to the coco, you can add it to the coffee.

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Speaker 1: Everything's becoming more expensive, if not very very hard to

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Speaker 1: get hold of. Palmerhm. Enjoy it while it lasts.

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