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Speaker 1: Explain this to me. Other matters, Explain this to me.

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Speaker 1: Which clause of the treaty is the WAITINGI Tribunal using

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Speaker 1: when they suggest the government recognized second generation MARI for citizenship. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't followed this one, you should be. Because

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Speaker 1: John Ruddick brought the case. There was a similar one

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Speaker 1: god Headlines recently because it Involdkesha Castle Hughes, the actress.

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Speaker 1: In her case, she was born in Australia to a

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Speaker 1: New Zealand mum. Her children were born in America, hence

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Speaker 1: they didn't get automatic citizenship. Ruddick, too was born in Australia,

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Speaker 1: got citizenship by descent, but as children were born offshore

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Speaker 1: as well, and descent only operates to one generation. This

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Speaker 1: is not, by the way, new law. It is not

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Speaker 1: a surprise. It has been this way for decades. So

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Speaker 1: the tribunal here is the case, decides the law needs changing.

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Speaker 1: My question is on what basis is the tribunal not

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Speaker 1: here how well loosely to interpret the treaty And where

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Speaker 1: in the treaty does it talk of generational dissent issues?

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Speaker 1: Under what clause does it talk of being born in

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Speaker 1: Australia and of course it doesn't, because it was written

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Speaker 1: in the eighteen hundreds and it is at best vague,

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Speaker 1: which leaves it open to interpretation. So the question for

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Speaker 1: the hero and now the modern age is how much

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Speaker 1: so called law is going on here versus how much ideology?

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Speaker 1: Law is developed? Of course, if not by the Parliament,

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Speaker 1: by regular courts when they see a gap. They interpret

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Speaker 1: the recent Foreshore drama as a very good example. The

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven law was explicit. The court simply

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Speaker 1: didn't like it, so they suggested change. The government had

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Speaker 1: to step in. But the Whiting, a tribunal, which remember,

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Speaker 1: has no actual legal power, seems merely to make things up.

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Speaker 1: One generation isn't enough, so let's make it two. So

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Speaker 1: having made it, so what do I make it for?

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Speaker 1: Why don't make it really easy? Anyone who remotely feels

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Speaker 1: mariy can claim citizenship for any number of offspring, no

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Speaker 1: matter where they were born, as long as it feels right.

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Speaker 1: Where does the treaty stop and the improv start? Thank goodness?

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Speaker 1: The government not going to do anything about this. But

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Speaker 1: that's this government. What about another government? What about the historic,

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Speaker 1: long term consequences of a tribunal that is running Roughshot.

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