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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: dupericy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage like

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Speaker 1: no one else.

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Speaker 2: News Talks Heavy Afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. Coming up today. Winston Peters on

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Speaker 3: why we've paid six million dollars to some more for

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Speaker 3: the sinking of the money w Nui which happened a

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Speaker 3: year ago. Our reporter on the start of the Pacati

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Speaker 3: White Island in quest. And an expert on why parents

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Speaker 3: are not teaching their kids how to cook anymore.

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Speaker 2: Heather duper Cyllen, Let's agree.

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Speaker 3: On something, and what I want us to agree on

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Speaker 3: is that kicking eighteen and nineteen year old kids off

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Speaker 3: the doll which the government announced yesterday they're bringing forward

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Speaker 3: is going to be tough on those kids in the families.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Let's agree on that, because that's true. The income threshold

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Speaker 3: for the parents is low. If those parents, whether it's

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Speaker 3: one or two of them, the combined the combined parental

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Speaker 3: income is more than sixty five thousand, five hundred and

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Speaker 3: twenty nine dollars, the kids cannot get the doll Now,

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Speaker 3: that is not a lot of money, right, that's about

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Speaker 3: twelve twelve hundred dollars two hundred and sixty dollars a week,

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Speaker 3: right then you still have to take the tax off that,

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Speaker 3: frankly I reckon that would stretch most people just by

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Speaker 3: themselves to make ends meet, never mind feeding and housing

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Speaker 3: two adults and then a hungry teenager and whatever else,

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Speaker 3: whatever other kids you've got in the house as well.

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Speaker 3: So if the kids cannot get a job, which is

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Speaker 3: you know, going to be difficult at the moment, it's

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Speaker 3: going to make it really hard without the extra money

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Speaker 3: that the dole payment would bring in. And the alternative,

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Speaker 3: as I just indicated, of getting a job is not easy.

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Speaker 3: Right now, unemployment is the highest it's been in five years.

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Speaker 3: But even if it is hard, it still is the

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Speaker 3: right thing to do because we know that if you

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Speaker 3: go on the doll under the age of twenty, you

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Speaker 3: are on average going to stay on the doll for

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Speaker 3: twenty three years. Now that ruins a life. The doll

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Speaker 3: is not a life. It is a waste of a

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Speaker 3: young person's opportunities if they're sitting there until they're what

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Speaker 3: in their late thirties early forties. What this policy is

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Speaker 3: trying to do is to force those kids to either

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Speaker 3: do the hard thing at the moment and get the job,

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Speaker 3: or go and study, which does come for a family

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Speaker 3: earning that little with some financial assistance from the government

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Speaker 3: and student allowances, that is building a future. Now, I

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Speaker 3: think the mowners who've already come out to criticize the

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Speaker 3: government's policy here need to ask themselves whether they would

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Speaker 3: prefer those kids to stay on the doll or go

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Speaker 3: out and find a job even if it's hard to do,

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Speaker 3: or go and get some study done. Is that what

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Speaker 3: they want? Do they really want the kids to sit

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Speaker 3: on the doll? Because sometimes, and I do not want

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Speaker 3: to sound glib about it, because this is very very

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Speaker 3: serious stuff for a family, but sometimes the hard thing

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Speaker 3: to do is actually the right thing to do for

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Speaker 3: the future.

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Speaker 2: Heather do for see Allen.

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Speaker 3: Nine, who's the text number? Are stat of text fees apply?

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Speaker 3: And we'll have a chat to the huddle about it.

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Speaker 3: And of course Nikola willis Finance Minister who's with us

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Speaker 3: as always on a Monday after six o'clock. Now, there

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Speaker 3: is a worrying rise in amputations amongst diabetes patients at

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Speaker 3: the moment. Figures show that there's been a fifty percent

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Speaker 3: increase in amputations since twenty sixteen, with over one thy

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Speaker 3: two hundred lower limb amputations conducted just last year. Simon

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Speaker 3: Spate is a p diatrist and head of the Diabetes

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Speaker 3: Speace interest group at p Dietary in New Zealand. Hey Simon, hi.

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Speaker 4: Here, how are you well?

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Speaker 5: Thanks?

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Speaker 4: All true? What you say?

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Speaker 3: Oh, well that's the thank you and you didn't even

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Speaker 3: have to text end to see first off the blocks.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Simon. Now, Simon, how is it getting to

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Speaker 3: the point where people are having to have I mean,

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Speaker 3: they presumably know they've got diabetes. How are they having

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Speaker 4: Well? Amputation just means to cut around or literally prune,

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Speaker 4: and as you say, this is what's going on. But

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Speaker 4: when they're diagnosed, the GPS always and all the other

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Speaker 4: health professionals are trying to educate them from their sphere

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Speaker 4: of practice. They're trying to get good control of the diabetes.

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Speaker 4: It's the sugar levels, the blood pressure, the cholesterol. Just

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Speaker 4: start with those three for a kicker, and they're just

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Speaker 4: trying to get those levels sorted out right from the

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Speaker 4: twenty thirty forty years later down the track. That's when

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Speaker 4: these things can happen. I'm talking about the type twos,

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Speaker 4: that's the one where this it's really bad.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So when we talk about amputations, we obviously go

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Speaker 3: to the worst place in our minds. But you're saying

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Speaker 3: it can just be a trimming of a bit of flesh.

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Speaker 4: Well, you can just take a toe off and the

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Speaker 4: patient leads a damn good life. The the circulation can

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Speaker 4: pack up in a small toe, and so it's a

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Speaker 4: really good operation. And so it's not all doom and

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Speaker 4: gloom for amputations. They call them minor amputations, but they

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Speaker 3: Do you guys do it yourself's pediatrists?

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Speaker 4: No, No, But we are the steps so to get

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Speaker 4: DHB or THETU order around the country. They're the ones

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Speaker 4: that will refer them into the surgical teams and sometimes

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Speaker 4: a lot of the time the surgeons are on site

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Speaker 4: and they have regular meetings monthly or week or whatever

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Speaker 3: Now, I mean, we've been speaking quite a lot lately

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Speaker 3: and Gisbon they have fewer than five pediatrists for the

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Speaker 4: Look, there's always going to be resourcing and funding in

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Speaker 4: various areas that you can't get right. Helen Clark once

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Speaker 4: So if you're listening, Auntie Helen, it's still correct.

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Speaker 3: Longtime listener of the show. Actually, Simon, thank you very

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Speaker 3: much man, it's really lovely to talk to you. Look

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Speaker 3: after yourself. Simon Spake, pediatrist and head of the diabetes

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Speaker 3: special interest group at p Dietary in New Zealand. So,

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Speaker 3: the mother of the three Phillips children has appeared in

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Speaker 3: It was August the second she was three times the

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Speaker 3: those small ones. It was a reasonable sized dinger. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: it turns out that's the first that's the first thing

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Speaker 3: about perhaps why Tom Phillips originally had custody of the kids.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I weren't deducing here. She was represented in court

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Speaker 3: by her lawyer, Craigtuck, who said although she had previous convictions,

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Speaker 3: was fined four hundred dollars. She was disqualified for twenty

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Speaker 3: eight days, and when she's back driving again, she's only

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Speaker 3: allowed to drive a vehicle that has an alcohol interlock fitted.

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Speaker 3: That will last for a year, and then after that

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Speaker 3: there will be a zero alcohol license for three years.

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Speaker 3: The police note that this policy for the eighteen year

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Speaker 3: then we could be an a very different position and

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Speaker 3: jobs may not be so difficult, which is a fair

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Speaker 3: Jason Pine sports talk hosters with us Piney Hello, Hello, Heather, Okay,

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Speaker 3: what happens now for Dame Noles.

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Speaker 7: I don't think she's coming back, do you? I don't

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Speaker 7: not see her way back. I don't see her way

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Speaker 7: back for Dame Noline Toto in hour thing.

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Speaker 3: Honey, hasn't she been benched for the rest of the

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Speaker 3: year and then her contracts up early next year? Anyway?

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Speaker 7: No, I think contract goes past the Commonwealth Games next year.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, so she does have a bit of time

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Speaker 7: left on a contract, but you're right, she's not going

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Speaker 7: to take the team this year. They've spent the last

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Speaker 7: week trying to nut this out around a mediation table

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Speaker 7: and clearly haven't been able to reach agreement or even

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Speaker 7: compromise on a couple of things, or maybe more than

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Speaker 7: a couple of things. Jenny Wiley on the radio yesterday

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Speaker 7: with me didn't even confirm that they were going to

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Speaker 7: continue mediation, So I don't quite know where we go

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Speaker 7: from here. It just seems as though there's no meeting

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Speaker 3: Well, isn't the clue in the fact that the Players

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Speaker 3: Association said that they've got nothing to do with this

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Speaker 3: anymore because it's now an employment matter, And you know

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Speaker 3: what an employment matter means, right, means someone's getting sacked.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think a lawyers sit around to come up

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Speaker 7: with a number, don't they That that feels to me

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Speaker 7: what happens in matters like this. Without wanting to depersonalize

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Speaker 7: this too much, and it must have been very stressful

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Speaker 7: for Dame Nolen, for everybody else involved in the process,

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Speaker 7: for the players, I mean, now we've got a divided

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Speaker 7: playing group as well, Heather. You know there are players

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Speaker 7: in that group who have openly Grace Wiki for one,

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Speaker 7: Karen Berger for another, backed Dame Nolen and want her back.

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Speaker 7: There are others in that group who clearly would rather

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Speaker 7: have somebody else at their helm. So look, it's a

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Speaker 7: divided team with a few issues to work through. They've

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Speaker 7: got games against Australia coming up, which are never easy

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Speaker 7: at the best of times, and still no resolution in sight,

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Speaker 7: whether it be a you know, a departure for Dame

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Speaker 3: So it's just an absolute mess now here. I think,

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Speaker 3: I think Piney, that there are going to be real

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Speaker 3: questions about Jenny Wiley and maybe even I don't know

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Speaker 3: the board after this, don't you think?

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Speaker 8: Well, I think so.

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Speaker 7: I think you oversee something like this. Questions have to

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Speaker 7: be then asked of you, don't they It's the CEO's

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Speaker 7: job to implement the strategy set out by the board.

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Speaker 7: But this feels like an operational matter to me. This

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Speaker 7: is a a if we again related across a workplace.

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Speaker 7: I think if you or I were having an employment dispute,

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Speaker 7: we wouldn't be before the board, would We would be

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Speaker 7: before our manager or you know. So it feels operational.

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Speaker 7: So yes, I think the way it's been handled, the

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Speaker 7: lack of transparency in particular, certainly has to be questioned,

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Speaker 7: and yeah, questions do need to be asked.

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Speaker 3: What I'm suggesting to you is I think that their

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Speaker 3: jobs are on the line. I think Jenny Wiley's job

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Speaker 3: Fair, Listen, you're a tough You're tough, a piney, you

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Speaker 3: That'd be yeah, then nothing happened to Mark Robertson at

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Speaker 3: There was never like whatever. Anyway, Luxeon's been asked about

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Speaker 9: Well, that's an employment matter for the bank to talk threats.

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Speaker 9: Questions should be directed to them.

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Speaker 10: What do you think taxpayers will think about four hundred

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Speaker 3: We need to talk about parents not teaching the kids

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Speaker 3: You may be across this one already, but when you

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Speaker 3: Mediators are in Egypt today for peace talks between Hamas

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Speaker 13: They're in negotiation right now as we respect.

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Speaker 8: They've started the negotiation.

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Speaker 2: It allows a couple of days.

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Speaker 8: We'll see how it turns out.

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Speaker 14: But I'm hearing it's going very well.

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Speaker 3: Over in the UK, the Tories say they will remove

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Speaker 3: three quarters of a million illegal immigrants within five years.

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Speaker 3: Here's the leader, Kemi bad Knock, tired of us as

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Speaker 3: asking all of these irrelevant questions about where should they go.

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Speaker 3: They will go back to where they should do or

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Speaker 3: More than one thousand silver and gold coins were bound

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace of mind

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Speaker 3: Oliver Peterson six pur Per Live presenters with us.

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Speaker 15: Ali, Yeah, I can just tell you Willing, you're ready

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Speaker 3: No, But also I mean not only that, I don't

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Speaker 8: Don't I don't know if they've ever won an in

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Speaker 3: Now I was wondering about that. Yeah, anyway, so never mind,

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Speaker 3: It's not like you're going to miss something you've never had.

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Speaker 8: But we need to find.

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Speaker 15: A number ten though, right, Like we just we just

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Speaker 8: A nice stuff day.

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Speaker 3: You were saying that you like him.

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Speaker 15: No, no, he's rubbish, no good playing very badly.

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Speaker 8: Did he bring back Quaid Cooper?

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Speaker 3: in both cases your number ten's and New Zealanders, you're welcome, okay.

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Speaker 3: But also did you see the brawl at the rugby

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Speaker 3: league with the women?

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Speaker 8: You see? I did know?

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Speaker 2: How is that?

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Speaker 3: How good was that?

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Speaker 3: Right, there's nothing nothing is a sighting as Bogan girls

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Speaker 8: I reckon or reckon the Wallabies should go and get

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Speaker 8: ree s Walsh.

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Speaker 15: He should just play number ten in the World Cup,

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Speaker 15: was Marky Marx coming back to rugby.

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Speaker 8: That'll be all right. Look, we'll win the World Cup

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Speaker 8: in twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 3: The semze actually, I mean the because you've got a

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Speaker 3: keywek coach. It's entirely possible and once again you're welcome.

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Speaker 3: Now tell me why was this chap firing all these

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Speaker 3: bullets in Sydney.

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Speaker 8: Well, this is sort of some gang land attack.

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Speaker 15: But how scary is this picture at last night Croydon

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Speaker 15: Park in Sydney's Inner West, out of an apartment complex window,

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Speaker 15: one hundred bullets rained down on this shopping street in

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Speaker 15: Croydon Park.

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Speaker 8: This is really scary stuff on the streets of Sydney.

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Speaker 8: It is some dramatic police video.

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Speaker 15: You can hear police yelling at the man not to

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Speaker 15: move and place his hands out of the window and

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Speaker 15: shatter glass. The technical blies that to get involved in

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Speaker 15: this and they arested a sixty year old man two

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Speaker 15: hours after his alleged shooting spree began. We still are

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Speaker 15: waiting to hear more information from police, but they are

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Speaker 15: so worried about what's happened here, these shots being fired

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Speaker 15: Croydon Park. Look, it's a busy spot in southwest of

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Speaker 15: Sydney and it's something that you would not expect on

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Speaker 15: the streets anywhere. But the footage is showing police at

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Speaker 15: to take cover, trying to assist members of the public

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Speaker 15: exactly what this is connected to or why this guy

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Speaker 15: did it. They're still releasing some more information, but very

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Speaker 15: scary scenes on the streets of Sydney last night.

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Speaker 3: What's going to happen in Canberra with the talco bosses.

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Speaker 8: Well, they're going to face Aniica Wells tomorrow.

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Speaker 15: The Communications Minister has called up the telco bosses of Optus,

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Speaker 15: Telstra and tch PG. She wants to make sure, particularly

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Speaker 15: heading into summer, that the Triple zero network isn't going

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Speaker 15: to go down. With the bushfire season approaching, they're expecting

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Speaker 15: quite a hostile reception from the Australian Communications Minister. And

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Speaker 15: I just see the Prime Minister at the new Albernezi

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Speaker 15: and James marape Of. Obviously P and J finally signed

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Speaker 15: that security pack. So everything's hunky dory in the region now, header.

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Speaker 3: Well, I suppose. So now you can't win the bled Slow,

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Speaker 3: but you won an international porridge Awards. So that's right,

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Speaker 3: I had porridge. If you like porridge, I'm disgusting.

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Speaker 8: That's wrong with you. It's great.

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Speaker 3: It's the consistency. It's the consistency of it. It's also

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Speaker 3: the flavor, which is nothing.

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Speaker 8: But Uncle Toby's.

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Speaker 15: Like I have the Uncle Toby's oates, so with a

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Speaker 15: little bit of honey in it, maybe a tiny bit

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Speaker 15: of brown sugar.

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Speaker 8: I n't that for breakfast this morning? It's yum. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: I don't know, feeling like Goldilocks.

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Speaker 3: Don't like is there any protein in there? Just feels

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Speaker 3: like a really intense sugar and carb sugar spike.

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Speaker 8: Kind of It's like eating mush right.

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Speaker 15: But anyway, if you thought you have thought about having

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Speaker 15: porridge jaffles with rum.

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Speaker 3: Banana, don't even know what any of the stuff is.

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Speaker 15: Right, this isn't the Caroline Villick's prize winning recipe at

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Speaker 15: the International Porridge Awards.

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Speaker 8: How good is that? It's been making use of a

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Speaker 8: jaffle iron.

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Speaker 15: This is what was an Australian mention of the food

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Speaker 15: enthusiast race to a Bondi Man back in nineteen forty nine.

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Speaker 15: She's just taken it to the world stage and her

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Speaker 15: porridge jaffle with rum banana is being acknowledged just perhaps

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Speaker 15: the greatest porridge recipe in the world at the Golden

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Speaker 15: Spurtle World Porridge Making Championships.

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Speaker 8: Can you bleed us low cup where you as a sun?

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Speaker 3: That's right, you remember that? Thank you, Ollie, Oliver Pterison

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Speaker 3: six pr Perth Life forst What even is a jaffel?

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Speaker 11: So?

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Speaker 3: Is it a waffle? Is it a waffle with some

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Speaker 3: other thing that's going on at the front that I'm

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Speaker 3: supposed to know about? Anyway, nineteen away from five to Ellen.

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Speaker 3: I'm very excited to say that I have corrected one

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Speaker 3: of the crimes in my life and I have finally

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Speaker 3: put my credit card on my phone. Do you remember

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Speaker 3: how I was saying last week I didn't do the thing. Well,

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Speaker 3: I did the thing because and what what pushed me

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Speaker 3: to it was? Okay, I was in Glinorky at the

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Speaker 3: who I mean, have you ever been to Glenorky' That's

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Speaker 3: a weird place. Ay, that's weird. There's like nothing. It's

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Speaker 3: just like a little town in the middle of the road.

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Speaker 3: It's like a road going down through the mountains and

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Speaker 3: then Cook there's a little town with a couple of

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Speaker 3: streets going the other anyway. So it's in Glenorky for

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Speaker 3: a conference, and I know it's the whole thing is weird.

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Speaker 3: It's it's fight club or Eyes Wide Shafts or something,

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Speaker 3: and I'm pretending it's a conference. Anyway. So I was

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Speaker 3: at the conference and we weren't We're in this like

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Speaker 3: eco lodge thing, and we weren't staying there. We were

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Speaker 3: staying across the road. Oh, I know an airbnb anyway,

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Speaker 3: and I left my I'd left my money and stuff

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Speaker 3: in the airbnb, and I was just as I was

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Speaker 3: there in the evening at the conference, just with my

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Speaker 3: phone and nothing else. And then at the dinner, wrapped

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Speaker 3: up and stuff. And then I was like, oh, it's

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Speaker 3: really like a beer. And I didn't have my money.

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Speaker 3: So I went to my friend hoshe'll remain unnamed, but

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Speaker 3: she knows how she is, and I said, oh my,

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Speaker 3: I was like, I don't have any money, can you

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Speaker 3: buy me a beer? And because I didn't have my

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Speaker 3: thing on my phone. But then what happened was she

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Speaker 3: doesn't even drink, So I knew I was asking a

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Speaker 3: really big solid off her, like she's not gonna buy

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Speaker 3: herself a beer, but I'm asking her to buy me

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Speaker 3: a beer. She's like, yeah'll buy you a beer. And

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Speaker 3: then but then then Toby was like, I'll have a

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Speaker 3: beer two, and then some other bird was like, I'll

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Speaker 3: have a rose. And before we knew it, she had

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Speaker 3: a fifty dollar drink spill and she hadn't even she

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Speaker 3: won't even having anything. So I thought, this can't go on,

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Speaker 3: and you've just got to be a grown up, Heather

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Speaker 3: and put welcome to twenty twenty five. So I put

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Speaker 3: the phone on the thing and the credit card on

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Speaker 3: the phone. The credit card is on the phone. Now

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Speaker 3: will I will be the person buying your drinks? You

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Speaker 3: will not buy me drinks? It is sorted. I got home,

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Speaker 3: it's very excited about this. This is like two days later.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, mum, look at this, I've put my my

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Speaker 3: mom doesn't live with I'm not a child. My mother

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Speaker 3: was at my house and like, I don't live with

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Speaker 3: my mom. Anyway, I went up to her and I

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Speaker 3: was like, Mum, look, I'll put my credit card on

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Speaker 3: my phone. Yay, And then she said can you do

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Speaker 3: it for me? So we now have two members of

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Speaker 3: my family who as of this weekend, are living in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five as opposed to the nineteen nineties we

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Speaker 3: were living in before. That is fantastic. Hey, this show

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Speaker 3: is changing people's lives, namely mine sixteen Away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with Centrics, Credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: A jaffel is a South African and Australian name for

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Speaker 3: a sealed, closed toasted sandwich which was made with a

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Speaker 3: jaffele iron that clamps the bread and filling together, creating

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Speaker 3: sealed edges and often a pattern on the bread. Megan,

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Speaker 3: thank you thirteen Away from five. Barry Soaper, senior political

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Speaker 3: correspondence with us Allo.

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Speaker 16: Barry, I've had many Jeffels in my life, Heather, have you, though, yes,

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Speaker 16: I have. I know exactly what it.

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Speaker 3: Is, Okay, it's hard to know whether you're lying or not,

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Speaker 3: which is a fun not great for a so called

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Speaker 3: trusted broadcast Anyway. What do you make of the government

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Speaker 3: bringing ford the policy on the doll for the kids.

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Speaker 16: Well, it's a bit of an announcement of an announcement

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Speaker 16: because he knew about it in the budget, that's why

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Speaker 16: they were planning. But it's been fleshed out of it,

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Speaker 16: which is good. That anyone earning more than sexty five

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Speaker 16: thousand dollars a year, they'll be required to support their

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Speaker 16: unemployed eighteen and nineteen year olds. Now, sixty five grand

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Speaker 16: a year is not a lot of money, as we know,

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Speaker 16: and if you've got an eighteen year old boy who

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Speaker 16: eats a supermarket full of food every day, you're going

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Speaker 16: to have a bit of a problem. But the point

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Speaker 16: that Christopher Luxen made at his post cabinet news conference

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Speaker 16: is that look, if you allow these people to go

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Speaker 16: straight on to the doll from school, which is shown

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Speaker 16: to be the case, there are fifteen eighteen to nineteen

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Speaker 16: year olds on job seeker support at the moment, and

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Speaker 16: another four thousand will become eligible when the changes kick in.

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Speaker 16: So there's a lot of kids out there that are

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Speaker 16: not working, and the point that Christopher Luxon makes is

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Speaker 16: that they should shift for jobs.

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Speaker 17: Now.

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Speaker 16: I remember when I was a teenager, I left home

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Speaker 16: at seventeen, and you know, I was a big enough

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Speaker 16: boy to be away from home. And I'm sure there

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Speaker 16: are many eighteen year olds mature enough these days to

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Speaker 16: do likewise. But look, the budget document show that will

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Speaker 16: save the government about eighty four million dollars a year. Well,

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Speaker 16: Chris Luckson didn't put the figure as high as that,

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Speaker 16: but he did encourage young people to move around the country.

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Speaker 16: As I say, his message to the eighteen and nineteen

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Speaker 16: year olds is that we love you. That's what he said.

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Speaker 16: We love you, but we don't want you can signed

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Speaker 16: to a life of welfare.

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Speaker 9: The message very clearly is to all parentss play your

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Speaker 9: part and get your young person out connected to work

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Speaker 9: or training or education. We're playing our part by saying, look,

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Speaker 9: that's just not a natural pathway that you just get

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Speaker 9: to drift on into welfare. We leave you there for

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Speaker 9: eighteen years is not going to happen. We want to

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Speaker 9: do everything we can to you into good jobs.

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Speaker 16: It's incredible that we've got this idea that it is

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Speaker 16: a wealthare country. But you can live for so long

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Speaker 16: receiving a handout. I mean, I've never had a hand

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Speaker 16: up my life. I find it.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's not true. You get the winter energy payment,

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Speaker 3: don't you true that?

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Speaker 11: Men?

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Speaker 3: Don't you?

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Speaker 16: Oh that's right. I'm a trusted broadcaster to too.

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Speaker 3: So you're getting your own kind And I take your point,

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Speaker 3: and yes, it is nutty. It is nutty. That we're

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Speaker 3: raising this many kids who think they're just sitting on

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Speaker 3: your butt on the doll is a perfectly good life. Totally,

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Speaker 3: it's not. Okay. Hey, I'm struggling to understand what exactly

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Speaker 3: do the families of these three kids who are held

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Speaker 3: in Israeli detention want.

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Speaker 18: Well.

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Speaker 16: I listened to the three of them and I'm not

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Speaker 16: quite sure they They obviously are being coached by the Greens. Yeah,

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Speaker 16: because the Greens host of them at a news conference

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Speaker 16: today and they piled on the government and said that

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Speaker 16: the government should be taking action against Israel. Now we

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Speaker 16: know that Choe Swarbrick has got a bill in the

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Speaker 16: biscuit and for action to be taken, sanctions to be

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Speaker 16: taken against Israel, so they were pushing that there today.

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Speaker 16: Chloe Swarbrick she lambethta the government for remaining silent on

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Speaker 16: getting the three these three on the polatilla back to

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Speaker 16: New Zealand.

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Speaker 11: The government Christopher Luxen has a legal obligation under the

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Speaker 11: Genocide Convention to do everything that he possibly can to

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Speaker 11: prevent genocide, and right now he is refusing to disengage

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Speaker 11: from business as usual with Israel, who it is well

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Speaker 11: documented are currently committing a genocide. These three New Zealanders

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Speaker 11: were operating entirely legally. Israel has not and our government

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Speaker 11: has a legal obligation to respond two years into this

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Speaker 11: genocide in Gaza. What is the hold up for our government?

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Speaker 11: By no for a fact that right now there are

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Speaker 11: backbench government enps who feel compelled to act, who have

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Speaker 11: a conscience, but they are currently terrified to step outside

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Speaker 11: of their party lines.

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Speaker 16: So what they were plugging there was that would take

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Speaker 16: six government MPs to cross the floor and support the bill,

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Speaker 16: and they would have a majority to pass it. But look,

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Speaker 16: Christopher Luxanada's news conference said that they have criticized and

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Speaker 16: they have round the the the reaction over reaction of

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Speaker 16: Israel to what has been happening in Gaza, and beyond that,

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Speaker 16: I don't know what New Zealand, a country five million

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Speaker 16: people at the bottom of the world, can do to

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Speaker 16: stop this action.

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Speaker 3: We could tax actions, we could impost a well, none

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Speaker 3: of the wilder is right, so it's a failure by everybody,

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Speaker 3: but we don't.

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Speaker 16: Israel is not a main trading partner, but they do

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Speaker 16: have a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of technological It is about collective action though, Hey, what

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Speaker 3: do you make of Adrian Or getting the four hundred

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Speaker 3: and sixty dollars.

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Speaker 16: Well, if you listened to the Taxpayers Union, so they

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Speaker 16: say that Adrian Or is an ill ten bully whose

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Speaker 16: actions cost the tax bay billions of dollars. So why

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Speaker 16: should he walk off with a handshake of almost half

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Speaker 16: a million dollars when he earns just under eight hundred

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Speaker 16: thousand dollars a year. So that brought his final paypacket

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Speaker 16: for the year up to one point two million dollars,

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Speaker 16: which incidentally was about the same as he was earning

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Speaker 16: when he was at the Superannuation Fund. He probably wishes

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Speaker 16: now he had kept that job, but look, it's a

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Speaker 16: restraint of trade the four hundred and sixty thousand dollars

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Speaker 16: he has paid. But it does you have to ask

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Speaker 16: the question where would a reserve bank governor go to

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Speaker 16: be competitive in the workplace and why should they have reside?

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Speaker 3: Where is he going to go to it to an

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Speaker 3: alternative central bank? Right, not going to happen. It's going

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Speaker 3: to happen very thing. That's because it's a crock, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: It's just a basically it's a shutting.

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Speaker 16: Look every chef executive which is essentially what he was

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Speaker 16: always has in their contract, a golden handshake written out.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Barry, thanks very much, Barry. So for seeing your

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Speaker 3: political correspondence coming up seven away from.

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Speaker 1: Five, the headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic

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Speaker 1: Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 19: Climates the will us this open letter you tried on

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Speaker 19: with Hipkins and he said what he said, were you genuine?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 18: I was.

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Speaker 9: If you go back and look at the house in

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Speaker 9: the Parliament. I've been calling on him to do this

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Speaker 9: for a long time, as I've said to Hipkins, as

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Speaker 9: if you can't get over yourself and over the oil

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Speaker 9: and gas band, we need that repealed for at least

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Speaker 9: a decade. So why don't you just commit to that

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Speaker 9: pretty basic sort of requirement because it's your mess and

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Speaker 9: your ideology that put us in this place.

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Speaker 19: But the problem is they've got you by the shortened

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Speaker 19: curlies in that sense. Happened though, because if I'm looking

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Speaker 19: at this country and I don't have any sight beyond

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Speaker 19: next year, why would I invest when I don't know

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Speaker 19: what's going to happen yet? Back tomorrow at six am

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Speaker 19: the Mic Hosking Breakfast with Maybe's Real Estate news talk z.

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Speaker 3: B hither the Adrian or restraint of trade makes it

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Speaker 3: tax free? How lucky is he? How good is that

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Speaker 3: four hundred and sixteen thousand dollars without having to pay

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Speaker 3: tax on it? Now, there is a bit of conn

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Speaker 3: about whether we're teaching our kids to cook or not.

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Speaker 3: Hello Fresh has has done a bit of a survey

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Speaker 3: on it, and they put out the numbers, and it

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Speaker 3: turns out that kids aged between thirteen to seventeen, only

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Speaker 3: sixty percent of them six zero percent. Only sixty percent

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Speaker 3: of them can cook three or more dinner meals independently,

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Speaker 3: which means forty percent of them can't. Also, amongst the

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Speaker 3: you know, among children aged five to seventeen, which is

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Speaker 3: basically all of your kids right short of year thirteen,

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Speaker 3: twenty one percent of them are actively involved in cooking often,

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Speaker 3: fifty percent of them cook sometimes, and nineteen percent of

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Speaker 3: them cook rarely. Anyway, the German is so stressed out

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Speaker 3: about this, so stressed out about this because she can't

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Speaker 3: like she's already got her she's basically already got her

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Speaker 3: three year old like baking and helping to cock and

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Speaker 3: cutting things and stuff. She can't understand that there are

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Speaker 3: parents out there who just do not do this. But

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Speaker 3: my argument because I just think parents are too busy

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Speaker 3: they I think parents are far too busy at the

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Speaker 3: moment to be taching their kids how to cook and

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Speaker 3: getting like you're trying to get a meal done really fast,

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Speaker 3: and then they're sitting there fapping around with it, and

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Speaker 3: you're just like, get out, just go, you go, jump

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Speaker 3: on the trampoline and then you just get it done right.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that what happens to most parents? Says how my

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Speaker 3: mom was with us and look I'm fine, Look I'm

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Speaker 3: not I'm not like dead or have diabetes and cooker perfectly.

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Speaker 3: Some people would argue with whether I can cook or not.

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Speaker 3: I think it's fine and edible. Anyway, We'll have a

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Speaker 3: chat to a tutor of cooking in about twenty minutes

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Speaker 3: and see what she's got to say about Winston Peters

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Speaker 3: is with us.

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Speaker 2: Next whatever.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can try the trunk to

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Speaker 1: ask the questions, get the answers, find the five sack

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Speaker 1: and give the analysis. Here the duplicy ell and drive

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Speaker 1: with One New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile

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Speaker 1: news dogs.

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Speaker 3: That'd be good Afternoon New Zealand will pay six million

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Speaker 3: dollars to the Psalm Woran government as a result of

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Speaker 3: the sinking of the Manawanui. It's years since the navy

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Speaker 3: ship ran aground and sank off the coast of some war.

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Speaker 3: Winston Peters is the Foreign Minister. High Winston A good afternoon.

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Speaker 6: What's the money for, Well, it's to help out with

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Speaker 6: respect to a disasters thinking of a naval vessel, the

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Speaker 6: Marvanui in October of last year and as arranged the

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Speaker 6: Salmon government.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, aren't we doing all of the cleanup?

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Speaker 13: We've done most of cleanup already, yes, in fact, but

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Speaker 13: you know this is the disasters. I say, the full

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Speaker 13: scale investigation is yet to be closed. But having gone

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Speaker 13: to all the trouble with ron Mark to get the

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Speaker 13: vessel in the first place has been the most frustrating

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Speaker 13: thing to happen. But here we are. We've got to

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Speaker 13: fix it up and keep our name.

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Speaker 3: But what I'm trying to get to is, if we've

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Speaker 3: done the cleanup, then what's this money for.

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Speaker 13: Well, because we can't say there was absolute certainty that

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Speaker 13: we've got everything cleaned up, and so the contingency may

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Speaker 13: arise and as I say, some of the complication has

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Speaker 13: been that when we were talking about the summer money,

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Speaker 13: there was then the course the snap election, virtually a

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Speaker 13: snap election in Samoa, so things were on hold, and

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Speaker 13: here we are so trying to deal with that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough. Listen, those kids who are being held

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Speaker 3: in Israel and detention, are they okay, Yes.

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Speaker 13: They are Okay. This is fascinating. I mean we're hearing

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Speaker 13: so much performance of propaganda. But one of them has

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Speaker 13: now gone on a hunger strike. You mean yeah, first

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Speaker 13: of all, they weren't getting any food and getting any water.

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Speaker 13: Now one's going on a hunger strike.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that has occurred to many of us, Winston.

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Speaker 3: But look, so you're confident that they're not being because

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Speaker 3: there are reports you will have read them. Gressa's being

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Speaker 3: beaten up and so on. It's not happening to these kids.

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Speaker 13: I would believe that that is totally and utterly false.

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Speaker 13: Wait till we get the photographs when it's all over

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Speaker 13: and see there's any evidence of all that. But this

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Speaker 13: is the kind of behavior that they engage in. Sad

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Speaker 13: to say, And the sad thing is there is a

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Speaker 13: real purpose, in a real man. We're dealing with the

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Speaker 13: tragedy of Gaza, and it's not going to be sold

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Speaker 13: by virtue signaling.

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Speaker 3: Now, what are you guys doing to get them back?

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Speaker 13: Well, we've got foreign Affairs of visigage from day one

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Speaker 13: out of Turkey and closer areas to ensure that the

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Speaker 13: Israeli government knew what our expectation was and we expect

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Speaker 13: them to deliver. This is not the first time it's happened.

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Speaker 13: Of course, it happened with Marion Man Davidson when she

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Speaker 13: went there. So you know, this is the first time

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Speaker 13: in history where Peo, the people who have kidnapped them

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Speaker 13: don't want them to be there. This is about unusual

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Speaker 13: like crime going on here, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: It's a very good point. Listen, on a more serious note,

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Speaker 3: were those protesters at your house last night? Again?

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Speaker 13: Yes, they were, and.

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Speaker 3: They scarped by eight thirty when the cops turned up, Well,

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Speaker 3: the cops told them to go home.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's after about it now and a half. And then,

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Speaker 13: I mean, you've got young children and you've got babies,

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Speaker 13: you got all sorts of people in the neighborhood all

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Speaker 13: being worken up with an absolute total breach of the

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Speaker 13: noise abankment laws of ours country and of Auckland.

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Speaker 3: Are they quite noisy? Winston?

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Speaker 13: Well, they got louds figgers and sell them, got quite

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Speaker 13: a few of them. Then they're blasting away just about

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Speaker 13: two meters from the front door. Thinking that's a fair go.

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Speaker 13: And I decided, you know, I'd tell the cops I've

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Speaker 13: had enough.

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Speaker 3: How long has this been going on for?

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Speaker 13: I'll be for quite a long time. But here's the rub.

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Speaker 13: More protests have been held when we weren't there, none

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Speaker 13: not at home, and so the neighbor had to put

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Speaker 13: up it than when we were at home.

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Speaker 3: Winston, thanks very much, appreciate your time. That's Winston Peter's

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Speaker 3: Foreign Affairs minister. We'll come back to this business about

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Speaker 3: the protests. It's just quickly updated over the weekend. Regretta

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Speaker 3: Tunberg is that one of the Turkish activists who were

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Speaker 3: on the flotilla said they dragged little Gretta by her

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Speaker 3: hair before our eyes. This is in the Guardian, beat

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Speaker 3: her and forced her to kiss the Israeli flag. And

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Speaker 3: they're also complaining that they've put her in a cell

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Speaker 3: infested with bead bugs. Five eleven Heller do for see

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Speaker 3: Allen right to the fid Island Coronial inquest. It started

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Speaker 3: today with first responders giving evidence about the eruption that

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Speaker 3: killed twenty two people and injured twenty five six years ago.

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Speaker 3: News Talk ZB journalist Jordan Dunn has been there. High Jordan,

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Speaker 3: Hey here, Hey you going, I'm very well, thank you. Now,

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Speaker 3: the emergency responders described the event as overwhelming. Were they

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Speaker 3: prepared for what hit them?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well you're right by the sounds of it.

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Speaker 4: Not really. They all gave different evidence.

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Speaker 10: So there was Saint John who gave evidence, there was

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Speaker 10: the police, and they were also Health New Zealand, and

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Speaker 10: they all have a picture that it was an entirely

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Speaker 10: overwhelming experience. Now, Saint John's talks about fucket's on a

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Speaker 10: hospital which was not nearly equipped for this to happen.

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Speaker 10: In Health New Zealand said that it's burn center.

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Speaker 4: Went through a week's work. So I went through a.

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Speaker 10: Month's work in about a week and a half, a

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Speaker 10: year's work in about a quarter of that time. Now,

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Speaker 10: police really focused on their statement on the difficulties with

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Speaker 10: communication and the cross agency communication at that time. Now,

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Speaker 10: they was just to get people off the island and

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Speaker 10: that was just half of the battle. This what the

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Speaker 10: council and Apollot had to say.

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00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 14: There were issues with resulting. There were simply not enough

872
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 14: ambulances there, and your honor will hear a police radio

873
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 14: Paul saying the botus ten minutes away. We've got one

874
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 14: ambulance here. We need more, Jordan.

875
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 3: One of the things that we discussed a lot in

876
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 3: the aftermath of the eruption was whether the first responder

877
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 3: should have gone to the island immediate immediately after the eruption,

878
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 3: which they didn't do. Has this been addressed?

879
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 10: Yeah, Well, there's been so many issues that they've been

880
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 10: looking through, and you know, the list is extensive. What

881
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 10: they're going to be looking at. They're going to be

882
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 10: looking at how emergency responders did actually respond, and who

883
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 10: was actually in charge of that emergency response, and who

884
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 10: was supposed to be centering in it, who was going

885
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 10: to be focusing that communication. You know, as as you mentioned,

886
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 10: commercial pilots went and tried to rescue people on the island,

887
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 10: but official emergency responders did not. Now, Council assisting the

888
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 10: cook corner, Christine Twyman, she actually laid out this question.

889
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 20: Council assistant considers it important understand who authority for and

890
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 20: actually made the decision that led to no official aircraft

891
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 20: landing on Facarti until several hours after the eruption.

892
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 3: And then we also heard from Detective Sergeant Simon Nolan

893
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 3: this afternoon. What did he have to say?

894
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 10: So he's given a bit of a three D diagram

895
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 10: of for Carti and White Island at the moments before

896
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 10: leading up to the eruption, and he's used a collation

897
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 10: of videos and photos of the people actually on the

898
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 10: island and it's a really eerie thing to watch heither,

899
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 10: because you're seeing these videos of these people on the

900
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 10: boat going to the island and they seem excited, you know,

901
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 10: they're obviously excited to see this this natural one, to

902
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 10: see this live volcano. But then slowly you see the

903
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 10: footage of the actual moment that it erupts, and it's

904
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 10: incredibly confronting. You see this, what was this little white

905
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 10: whist coming off the lake turning into this black smoke

906
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 10: billowing off and you hear their screams and the tour

907
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 10: guid's yelling them to run, and it was an incredibly

908
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 10: tough watch and it especially was for the pub gallery.

909
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,479
Speaker 10: As we know there were friends and family in there,

910
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 10: and you could definitely see the tears of these people

911
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 10: as they had to watch this confronting thing with your

912
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 10: loved ones seeing its first hand.

913
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 3: Jordan, thanks very much, appreciate your time.

914
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 9: Mate.

915
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 3: That's Jordan done, Newstalk SADB journist. All right, listen, if

916
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 3: you're hoping for a double cut in the OCR this week,

917
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 3: maybe not great news for you. Stand by five fourteen. Okay.

918
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: Sitting in traffic's the worst, right There is so much

919
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 3: you could be doing if you could just get to

920
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: where you're going. But if you've got great signage on

921
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 3: your vehicle, it's actually not a total waste of time,

922
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 3: because of course, every person crawling along beside you or

923
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: behind you is getting a really good long look at

924
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 3: your brand. Now. Speedy signs can turn your ute, you'll van,

925
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 3: your truck whatever, into a moving ad or a parked

926
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 3: one for that matter. If you're heading to a job,

927
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 3: doing a delivery, parked up at an event, your signa

928
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 3: is doing the talking for you. Even grabbing a coffee

929
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 3: can be brand exposure, especially if you've got something eye

930
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 3: catching on the door panels, and if you've got more

931
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: than one vehicle Speedy Signs can take care of all

932
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 3: of them right across the country. One point of contact,

933
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 3: entire fleet, job done or match to your brandy, your

934
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 3: colors and your deadlines. So let your wheels work harder

935
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 3: every time they hit the road called oh eight hundred

936
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,479
Speaker 3: speedy or go to Speedy Signs dot co dot NZ Heather,

937
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 3: du per c Ellen heither can you let us know

938
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 3: which group or groups the clowns protesting outside Winston's house

939
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 3: are from. Actually, Ben, I do have something interesting to

940
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: tell you about that. Just stand by it. We'll get

941
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 3: to that. It's eighteen past five now. As I was

942
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 3: telling you earlier, there's a little bit of concern that

943
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: not enough parents are teaching their kids how to cook.

944
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 3: Even though we say that we care as parents, only

945
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 3: twenty one percent of us are actually actively involving kids

946
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: at home. Just sixty percent of thirteen to seventeen year

947
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: olds can cook three or more dinner meals.

948
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 16: Now.

949
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 3: Little cooks teach kids at schools around the country. And

950
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: dulling Gooley is a tusor high dulling.

951
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 18: Hi, Hi, Heather.

952
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 3: This is just life, isn't it. Parents are busy, we're

953
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 3: working long hours, we're commuting don't have the time to

954
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 3: teach kids.

955
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

956
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 18: Absolutely, I think the statistic you read the gap tells

957
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 18: us a lot. I think many parents want to involve

958
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 18: their kids but feel that they're possibly don't have the time,

959
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 18: the patients, or the know how to make it work.

960
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 18: I also think they feel that the kitchen will turn

961
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 18: into chaos, or that it's quicker to just do it themselves.

962
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 18: And I can completely understand that.

963
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: Is it?

964
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 3: I mean, we always run the risk of catastrophizing something

965
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 3: like this. Is it really the end of the world?

966
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously we want to teach the kids if

967
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: we can, but is it the end of the world

968
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 3: in an internet age where they can just go on

969
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 3: the internet and learn how to cook in the same

970
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 3: way that you can go on the internet and learn

971
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 3: how to do DIY.

972
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 18: Look, I think the earlier they learn, I do think

973
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 18: it's really important. The earlier they learn it sets them

974
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 18: up for successful less run in their lives. I think

975
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 18: the basic skills can be taught as early as five

976
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 18: or six, And in fact, it's a really good time

977
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 18: to spend with your kids in the kitchen getting them

978
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 18: off screens. Isn't that actually more important right now? I

979
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 18: think it has a host of benefits learning how to

980
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 18: cook early.

981
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 3: Okay, if we want to teach the kids, what do

982
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 3: we start what's a good meal to start with or not?

983
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 3: Not necessarily to start with them, You probably want to

984
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: start with boiling an egg. But what's a good dealail one?

985
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 18: I think it's it depends on how young the kids are.

986
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 18: Some of the kids that I'm teaching at Little Cooks

987
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 18: are six years old, so the real lilies are washing

988
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 18: veggies and they're learning how to peel potatoes and prepping vegetables.

989
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 18: As they get a little bit older, teach them how

990
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 18: to cut an onion properly, teach them how to make

991
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 18: an omelet. It's the real basics. It doesn't have to

992
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 18: be fancy, and you'd be so surprised how capable these

993
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 18: kids rarely are. If you just spend a little bit

994
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 18: of time and it doesn't have to be a lot

995
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 18: of time. The course that we do is an hour

996
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 18: and we manage to whip up something pretty pretty good

997
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 18: every time.

998
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

999
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 18: Some of the things we make are like apple crumble muffins.

1000
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 18: We've made chickpea curry with nane made from scratch, and

1001
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 18: all the kids get stuck in good stuff.

1002
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 3: Well, don't you come around to my house if you

1003
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 3: want to, Darling any time, any time, Really appreciate it.

1004
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 3: Look after yourself, Darling Gully tutorant little cooks. I have

1005
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 3: a yarn about this, which is it doesn't reflect well

1006
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 3: on my mother. And you know the Bible says you've

1007
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 3: got to respect your elders. So I'm tossing up. I'm

1008
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 3: tossing up whether to tell you the yarn, but probably

1009
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: bugger it. I mean, come on, this is not a

1010
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: safe space for anyone on this show, is definitely not

1011
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: a safe space for her. I'll tell you the yarn

1012
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 3: when I get a chance. Five to twenty one.

1013
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: The name you trumped to get the answers you need.

1014
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: It's Heather fu per c Ellen Drive with one New

1015
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: Zealand coverage like no one else US talks.

1016
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: They'd be.

1017
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 3: We've been talking about where you know, the kid's being

1018
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 3: kicked off the doll at eighteen and nineteen, you know,

1019
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 3: from November next year, whenever it is next year. The question,

1020
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: of course is what job are they going to go to.

1021
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 3: We're going to get you across that in the next

1022
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 3: half hours. I've got a woan who's apparently a whiz

1023
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 3: at getting kids into jobs, and she's going to join

1024
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 3: us five twenty four. Look on, these protesters have been

1025
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 3: Harrison Winston and his neighbors, even as recently as last night.

1026
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: They really have to call this nonsense off. Turning up

1027
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: at someone's house in the evening or as the Prime

1028
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 3: Minister said to Mike this morning, at eleven at night

1029
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 3: or four in the morning, is not protest. That's actually

1030
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: just intimidating. Particularly, I think in the case of Winston,

1031
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 3: who I know has been actually dealing with us for

1032
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 3: a number of months now, I don't think he's actually

1033
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 3: gone public yet, even when I asked him, I don't

1034
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 3: think he's gone public with the extent of the harassment

1035
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 3: that he's been dealing with. And partly it was probably

1036
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 3: because he didn't want to encourage it to continue. But

1037
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 3: I have been aware for months that this has been

1038
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 3: going on outside his house. What makes it worse is that,

1039
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 3: like with many heritage suburbs in Central Auckland, Winston's house

1040
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 3: is right on the road side. He doesn't have a

1041
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: yard out the front between him and the protesters. He

1042
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: doesn't have a long driveway between him and them. Right,

1043
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 3: If you stand outside his house, you're basically touching his porch.

1044
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 3: His front door is about one and a half two

1045
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 3: meters away. I think that makes the intimidation even greater.

1046
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 3: And what these protesters need to understand is that they're

1047
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 3: not drawing attention to Gaza by harassing a senior journal

1048
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 3: a senior politician, just like with the flotilla kids, right,

1049
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 3: They're not drawing attention to Gaza. They are only drawing

1050
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 3: attention to themselves and getting us talking about not about Gaza,

1051
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 3: but getting us talking about whether the thing that they

1052
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 3: are doing as their protest or their activism is appropriate

1053
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 3: or not. They're simply drawing attention to themselves. Now, there

1054
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 3: is a planned law to stop this business about the

1055
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 3: protesting outside people's houses. It's in the submissions phase, so

1056
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 3: it hasn't passed yet and it's a while away from passing,

1057
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 3: which means of course that in the meantime these protesters

1058
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 3: can pretty much do what they like by the looks

1059
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 3: of things, But what they should understand is that it

1060
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 3: is inappropriate. And most New Zealanders with families will look

1061
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 3: at this and think this is inappropriate, And so all

1062
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 3: they are doing is risking goodwill towards their course.

1063
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 2: Heather do for Sea Allen now been.

1064
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 3: Asked for earlier if I have any information on who

1065
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 3: these people are, I actually do so if you, I

1066
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: don't know if you were aware of it. But today

1067
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: the Greens held a press conference where they had a

1068
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 3: giant moan about the three kids who've got themselves, you know,

1069
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 3: arrested by the Israelis for basically trying to get themselves

1070
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 3: arrested by the Israelis. Anyway, they held the press conference

1071
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: and standing in the middle between Madama and Chloe as

1072
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 3: a woman. I'm not going to name her because I'm

1073
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 3: not an to harrising and she can deal with this herself,

1074
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: and I'm sure that she will because I don't want

1075
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: her to get attacked on social media because people have

1076
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 3: very very strong emotions about this. But that woman who

1077
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 3: was holding the press conference today with the Greens is

1078
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 3: actually one of the women who was standing outside Winston's house.

1079
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: And you know that because she was live streaming and

1080
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 3: telling people what his address was so and you know,

1081
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 3: and the worst part about it, I really think this

1082
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 3: isn't come on the media, come on. So she held

1083
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: this press conference today standing right there with old mate

1084
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 3: Chloe with her brow furrowed like you know, it's really

1085
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Speaker 3: intensely fun. The media did not ask her, from what

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Speaker 3: I understand, a single question about what she was doing

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Speaker 3: outside Winston's house over the weekend and whether it was

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Speaker 3: appropriate to tell people the address of a senior politic

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Speaker 3: and come on, guys, could do better than that. Well,

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Speaker 3: I hope you can do better than that. Anyway, as

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Speaker 3: I say, let's talk next about how and I'm still

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Speaker 3: going to tell I don't have time now to put

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Speaker 3: my mum in it, but I've put my mum in it. Later,

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Speaker 3: but before this hour is out, mark my words, I

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Speaker 3: will do it. But next, let's talk about how we

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Speaker 3: get the eighteen and nineteen year olds and to jobs

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Speaker 3: and not on the doll newstips, b.

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 1: your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duper c

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Speaker 1: Ellen drive with one New Zealand and the power of

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Speaker 1: satellite mobile news talk said be.

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Speaker 3: Heather Stuff has named the protest outside Winston's. Well, there

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Speaker 3: you go. If it's already in the mainstream media, then

1104
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Speaker 3: it's in the mainstream media. Nikola Willis Finance Minister is

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Speaker 3: as per usual, going to be with us after six

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Speaker 3: o'clock on a Monday. We've got the huddle standing by

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Speaker 3: and it's the usual. It's the Power Girls, it's Trisha

1108
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 3: and Josie. Right now, it's twenty five away from six. Now.

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Speaker 3: The government's announced it's bringing forward policy to remove the

1110
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Speaker 3: doll from eighteen to nineteen year olds. So from November

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00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 3: next year, pearans earning over sixty five thousand dollars will

1112
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Speaker 3: be expected to support their unemployed teams. Leah Gates is

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Speaker 3: the COO of the Auckland Business Chamber and their Employment

1114
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Speaker 3: and Skills Manager and with us now.

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Speaker 21: Hilia, Hi, how are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. I hear you're a whiz

1117
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Speaker 3: at getting kids into work.

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Speaker 21: Oh, it takes a ten to do it.

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Speaker 3: Take the village modesty. Okay, So what do you do?

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Speaker 3: What jobs do you fire them into?

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Speaker 21: So the Auckland Business Chamber has been running Cadetmax, which

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Speaker 21: is a youth employment program for nearly twenty years in

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Speaker 21: South Auckland and Central Auckland. Things that we're doing is

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Speaker 21: getting them ready for work and then leaning into that

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Speaker 21: business network to define opportunities like what big industries. I

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Speaker 21: guess for young people in Auckland, warehousing, logistics, security, hospitality, administration,

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Speaker 21: customer service, whatever, is going to spin their wheels and

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Speaker 21: get them out of bed in the morning.

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Speaker 3: I mean increasingly. What's happening, though, is with the cost

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Speaker 3: of living crisis, We've got older people who previously may

1131
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Speaker 3: have retired and just happily lived off the pension unable

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Speaker 3: to do so. Still in these workplaces. Are these two

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Speaker 3: cohort's going to be competing with each other.

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Speaker 21: It's tough for young people in a tight labor market.

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Speaker 21: They're disproportionately affected, and as you say, they're competing against

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Speaker 21: more experienced workers. And so yeah, undoubtedly a really tough

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Speaker 21: time in the last couple.

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Speaker 3: I mean some of these jobs, like I'm thinking, warehousing

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Speaker 3: sounds to me like a young person's game, not an

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Speaker 3: old person's game.

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Speaker 21: Yes and no, yeah it probably is. But a lot

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Speaker 21: of warehousing is thoughtless driving and your employers looking for

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00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 21: somebody who experienced. So no, they're all tough to find now, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, So November next year, that's about I mean, that's

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Speaker 3: slightly more than a year away. Do you think the

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00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 3: employment market will be much improved?

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Speaker 21: I'd like to think so, and I certainly think in

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Speaker 21: Auckland with some of the employment opportunities that come up

1149
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 21: with the International Convention Center, i KA general labor market. Yes,

1150
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Speaker 21: I think it will be easier. But I also know

1151
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 21: that in this environment where it's tough for young people

1152
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 21: to get into jobs, they go into education and that's

1153
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Speaker 21: not a bad thing either.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Hayleah, thanks very much, appreciated and good luck with

1155
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Speaker 3: all of the work coming your way. Leagates Auckland Business

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Speaker 3: Chamber CO and Employment and Skills Manager. It's twenty two

1157
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Speaker 3: away from six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find your

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Speaker 1: one of a kind pri Sherson.

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Speaker 3: Of Sharson Willis PR's on the huddle with us and

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Speaker 3: Josie Bigani, the CEO of Child Fund. Hi you too, Hello,

1162
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Speaker 3: hello Tris. Do you like this policy?

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Speaker 22: Yes, I do like this policy. I think we've got

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Speaker 22: to do something differently, and I do not like the

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Speaker 22: thought of increasing numbers of younger people being left on

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Speaker 22: the scrap peak. I think it is going to be

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Speaker 22: tough for families and let's be honest, this will hit

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Speaker 22: hardest family who are probably already really under.

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Speaker 3: Pressure, So that's really tough.

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Speaker 22: And we also have to be honest about the fact

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Speaker 22: that these families probably there is a cohort of them

1172
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Speaker 22: who are into multi generational dependency on a benefit. So

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Speaker 22: breaking that cycle isn't easy because neither the parents nor

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Speaker 22: the kids have role modeling on what it's like to

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Speaker 22: go to work and what's needed. And I also think

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Speaker 22: that schools really have to play a part because a

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Speaker 22: big problem is you've got kids coming out of schools

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Speaker 22: they have just not been able to succeed in that system,

1179
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Speaker 22: and they already come out feeling like losers, frankly, which

1180
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Speaker 22: isn't and that's through no fault of their own. But

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Speaker 22: it's not a great way to start. But we can't

1182
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Speaker 22: keep going down this route. And what we need to

1183
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 22: make sure is there is a really clear bridge for

1184
00:53:54,400 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 22: these kids from school into training educational opportunities, and that

1185
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 22: there is the money there to do it, because I know,

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Speaker 22: you know, I've got a daughter whose university age. A

1187
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 22: lot of kids when they're trying to pay their own

1188
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 22: way through university, even with allowances and things like that, tough,

1189
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Speaker 22: but it is bloody tough, and so you know, and

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Speaker 22: they don't get as much support as if they were

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Speaker 22: on the doll.

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Speaker 3: Quite frankly, that's true. And I was thinking about this actually, Josie.

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Speaker 3: I think there are no perfect solutions here right, so

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Speaker 3: what it could potentially do is drive up crime as

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Speaker 3: kids just go Jesus is too tough. I can't get

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Speaker 3: a job, it's too hard to study. I'm just going

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Speaker 3: to go join a gang or whatever. Would the solution

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Speaker 3: to this not be here's your stick, you can't get

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Speaker 3: the dog, but also an incentive will make it easier

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Speaker 3: for you to study.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, and the more eighteen year olds nineteen year olds

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Speaker 12: getting a skill studying if they need to study, that's great.

1203
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Speaker 12: I'm just not sure if this isn't a policy in

1204
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 12: search of a problem. The biggest problem in Zealand is

1205
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Speaker 12: not we've got that, we've got too many eighteen year

1206
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 12: old dropkicks living with their parents. I mean, yes, there

1207
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Speaker 12: has always been a benefit dependency issue, which is a

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Speaker 12: slightly different issue. And there are some families and you know,

1209
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Speaker 12: been on the doll for generations. But I don't think

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Speaker 12: it just feels to me like this is something where

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Speaker 12: they've gone, right, let's announced something after cabinet and it's

1212
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Speaker 12: yet another announcement where you're going, oh, do do we

1213
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Speaker 12: have a massive propity?

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Speaker 3: You disagree with you. Look, you know, I've got no

1215
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 3: time for this government and their announcements of announcements, but

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Speaker 3: I actually disagree with you on this and that I

1217
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 3: think it's part of a suite of things that Louise

1218
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Speaker 3: Upston is doing. The only thing that's maybe slightly cynical

1219
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Speaker 3: here is that they've rennounced it by bringing it forward slightly.

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Speaker 3: But she's actually doing that good work.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, But also you have to look at the way

1222
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 12: that the economy is structured in a way that both

1223
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Speaker 12: national and labor governments have run the economy in this sense.

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Speaker 12: So let's say every one of those eighteen nineteen year

1225
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Speaker 12: olds went and got a PhD, you would still have

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Speaker 12: about four to five percent unemployment because if it drops

1227
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Speaker 12: below that, the way that our governments subsequent governments run

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Speaker 12: the economy is that they'll put interest rates up. The

1229
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 12: Reserve Bank will put interest rates up because they think

1230
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 12: that's a sign that the economy is overheating. So you're

1231
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Speaker 12: probably always going to have about four to five percent unemployment.

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Speaker 12: So all you're doing is going, we're going to punish

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Speaker 12: eighteen to nineteen year olds who are living at home,

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Speaker 12: and more to the point, punish the parents who already

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Speaker 12: having to buy them a house, will help them buy

1236
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Speaker 12: a house and do everything, you know, and you're on

1237
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Speaker 12: an income of sixty.

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Speaker 21: Five k a year.

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Speaker 8: That is buggerall.

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Speaker 12: So it just seems to me a problem, a policy

1241
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 12: in search of a problem that we don't that isn't

1242
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Speaker 12: the biggest problem. It's not going to grow the New

1243
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 12: Zealand economy there and that's the biggest problem we've got, right.

1244
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Speaker 22: Yeah, I mean I don't. I'm not sure that's what

1245
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 22: it's about. I think it's about looking at changing the

1246
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 22: incentives for young people and basically saying that it's there

1247
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 22: is not a pathway where you can just not get

1248
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Speaker 22: what education and then just go on the go.

1249
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Speaker 3: And I think that is that is fair.

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Speaker 22: The areas that I worry about, and this is growing

1251
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 22: up in a small town where I did in tomin Anui,

1252
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 22: where options are really limited for kids, and even really

1253
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 22: simple things that you need to go to work, ie

1254
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 22: getting a driver's license, and there have been changes around this,

1255
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 22: but even the cost of that and the time now takes,

1256
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 22: like to get your kids a driver's license these days,

1257
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 22: you need at least one parent who is into it.

1258
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Speaker 22: You've got a registered and warranted car. This is you right,

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Speaker 22: Well I wasn't, but my husband was amazing at teaching

1260
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 22: the kids. But but that is that is our hours

1261
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 22: and months, and then you have to pay for the

1262
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Speaker 22: defense of driving and all of that stuff. And I

1263
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 22: think we have to really understand at a very granular

1264
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 22: level what the barriers are to these kids getting a job,

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Speaker 22: and not least of which, what home environment that have

1266
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Speaker 22: they got that helps them get out, Get up, get

1267
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 22: out a bed in the morning, get a kai in

1268
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Speaker 22: the tummy, and go out and do.

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Speaker 23: What you need.

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Speaker 3: Basically talking about social investment here, aren't you getting in

1271
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: there really early? We'll take a break, guys, then we'll

1272
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Speaker 3: come back and talk about the protesters and Adrianaw's money.

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Speaker 3: Sixteen away from six to.

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Speaker 1: Four the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the

1275
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: global leader in luxury real estate.

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Speaker 3: Right, you're back of the huddle. You've got Treashourson and

1277
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 3: Joseph Beganny. Now, Joseph, what do you think of those

1278
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 3: protesters turning up at Winston Peter's house.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, it's pretty ugly, isn't it. I mean, you can protest,

1280
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 12: there's nothing against you protesting, but when you're protesting at

1281
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 12: someone's home, it's bordering on illegal already. I mean, if

1282
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 12: you were to cross the border into the driveway or

1283
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 12: you know, hover around their front door or something like that,

1284
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 12: you're getting into harassment and trespassing. But I also think

1285
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 12: it's a sign of where our politics have gone. There's

1286
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 12: a kind of movement away from a contest of ideas

1287
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 12: where you can debate things and you can disagree, even

1288
00:58:55,720 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 12: even loudly and rudely, but it's become about personality, like

1289
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 12: you're a bad person, you're a good person. And that's

1290
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 12: really unhealthy because then you have this complete inability to

1291
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 12: even debate something because they're going, no, we're going to

1292
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 12: target you personally. And I do think it's that kind

1293
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Speaker 12: of you know, we saw Jasinda Duns made a career

1294
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Speaker 12: post politics out of this. It's the sort of how

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Speaker 12: do you make people feel is the reason for politics

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Speaker 12: rather than what do you do? And I think I

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Speaker 12: think it's just another sign of that. And the other

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Speaker 12: thing I would say is it shows also there's a

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Speaker 12: kind of lack of curiosity amongst the protesters over Gaza

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Speaker 12: and Palestine to engage with anything that's contrary to their

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Speaker 12: own views of what's happening and what to do. And

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Speaker 12: there's a whole you know, peace process that's been put forward.

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Speaker 12: Whatever you think of it, it's our best chance of

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Speaker 12: stopping the violence. And there was a journalist from The

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Speaker 12: Times in London who went to the demonstration yesterday in

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Speaker 12: travalgu Square and he tried to engage with people about

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Speaker 12: you know, what do you think about this proposal with

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Speaker 12: Tony Blair and Trump. Okay, you don't like Trump, but maybe.

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Speaker 5: It will work.

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Speaker 12: You know, there are eight Muslim countries in the region

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Speaker 12: who are supporting it. What do you think wouldn't even

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Speaker 12: engage in it. Protesters didn't want to know about it.

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Speaker 12: They kicked them out, They basically shoved them away. So

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Speaker 12: I think it just shows you a dangerous kind of

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Speaker 12: protesting where you're not engaging with anything that you disagree

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Speaker 12: with and you're making it really really personal and it's

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Speaker 12: pretty ugly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they need to stop trish. I think

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Speaker 3: they run. They are not drawing attention to Gaza. They

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Speaker 3: are only making people cross at what they're doing, and

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Speaker 3: they're risking good will, aren't they.

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Speaker 22: Well, it's performative, isn't it that total? That's really what

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Speaker 22: this is about. It's like everything it's it's driven for

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Speaker 22: clicks and views on social media. I know people who

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Speaker 22: live in the street and this has been going on

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Speaker 22: for months and months. It really has I think it's

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Speaker 22: completely wrong and I think what these groups I agree

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Speaker 22: with what Josie has just said, but I think what

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Speaker 22: these groups also underestimate is that one day there will

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Speaker 22: be a lunatic in one of those groups that they

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Speaker 22: bring along and they will do something really stupid. And

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Speaker 22: that is a line in New Zealand that we absolutely

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Speaker 22: don't want to cross. And whatever you think about New

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Speaker 22: Zealand politicians, they deserve and their families deserve to feel

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Speaker 22: safe like everybody else. So I think this absolutely has

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Speaker 22: to stop. And if you think that protesting outside the

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Speaker 22: House of the Foreign Minister in New Zealand is in

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Speaker 22: any way going to change what's happening in Gaza, or

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Speaker 22: what will happening or what will happen, you are absolutely

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Speaker 22: barking up the wrong trail.

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Speaker 12: Can I just say one thing that the other day

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Speaker 12: when I was walking to the studio to come and

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Speaker 12: do a huddle, I walked past TV and said, and

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Speaker 12: there's a huge banner out there. There was a Palestine

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Speaker 12: protest out there and the huge banner said New Zealand

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Speaker 12: media stop committing genocide. And I was thinking, what do

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Speaker 12: you think the New Zealand media are doing? Like the

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Speaker 12: Jasella media are reporting on stuff, they're not actually dropping

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Speaker 12: bombs on Gaza. So I think people, you know, kind

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Speaker 12: of going, hold on, guys, what are you actually asking

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Speaker 12: the New Zealand government to do here? But it isn't

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Speaker 12: already doing. And you know, if there's a chance of peace,

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Speaker 12: which I think the biggest chance we've gotten, it may

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Speaker 12: fail dismally. Is the peace deal that's on the table

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Speaker 12: because it has the support of Muslim countries in the

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Speaker 12: region and Palestinians, the Palestinian authority as well, it's the

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Speaker 12: best chance of leading to a Palestinian state, So you know,

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Speaker 12: why not engage with that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, to write okay, now, tration Adrian Al's got four

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Speaker 3: hundred and sixteen smackers coming at him. What do you think.

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Speaker 22: Well, it's a lot of money, isn't it. There's a

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Speaker 22: couple of points here. So you've talked about why have

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Speaker 22: a restraint so you know who else was going to

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Speaker 22: take him? That it would cause competitive damage to the

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Speaker 22: Reserve Bank.

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Speaker 3: That's one thing.

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Speaker 22: There is a legitimate restraint of trade around a cooling

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Speaker 22: off period, which we often talk about with ministers leaving

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Speaker 22: and going lobbying. So you might be privy to sense

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Speaker 22: of information, so you'd have a restraint of trade tip

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Speaker 22: to cover that. I can't I can't see how that

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Speaker 22: is applicable here, and for someone in Adrian's role, you

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Speaker 22: wouldn't go off talking about you know, sensitive matters. The

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Speaker 22: other interesting thing is you can have a restraint, but

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Speaker 22: you're not required to have a dollar figure around us.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you don't have to get paid.

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Speaker 22: You don't.

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Speaker 3: It's really let's be honest, it's shut up money, isn't it.

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Speaker 22: Well, I think the question should be asked when when

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Speaker 22: was this restraint of trade? That has it always been

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Speaker 22: in the contract and in this quantum or was it

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Speaker 22: something agreed around the time of the exit?

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Speaker 3: Very good point, I shall ask Nick lauill Is that okay?

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Speaker 3: Very quickly, Josie, what do you think?

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Speaker 12: Well, I'm not sure what the government's doing here. If

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Speaker 12: you're eighteen and nineteen and you're unemployed, you're going to

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Speaker 12: have your money taken away from you now. And if

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Speaker 12: you're the Reserve Bank governor and you're unemployed, you get

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Speaker 12: four hundred k.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, get your priorities right.

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Speaker 3: So you're right, Gils, thanks very much, really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Trusherson and Josep mcguney I huddle this evening. It's eight

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Speaker 3: away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Art Radio powered by news Talk zeb.

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Speaker 3: Here that these protesters are engaging in this behavior simply

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Speaker 3: because it gives them someone to be It's five away

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Speaker 3: for I don't think there's a lot of love for

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Speaker 3: this kind of carry on by the looks of things.

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Speaker 3: What's coming through on the text machine five away from six,

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Speaker 3: just quickly, this is this is pertinent to the climate

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Speaker 3: debate that we're having at the moment. The net zero

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Speaker 3: banking alliance has folded. It's dead, it's gone, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: exist anymore. This is as a result, if you've been

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Speaker 3: following this what's been going on as a whole lot

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Speaker 3: of banks globally have been pulling out of this Banking Alliance,

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Speaker 3: And there will be a lot of people in this

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Speaker 3: country very happy about about the demise of the Banking

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Speaker 3: Alliance because it has caused farmers to have some serious

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Speaker 3: issues with their ability to get lending because you know,

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Speaker 3: the cows do do farts and burps and stuff. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: whole bunch of banks have left. Eventually the remaining the

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Speaker 3: remaining members just decided to have a vote and see

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Speaker 3: if they should continue, and of course the vote was no.

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Speaker 3: Now it's not only the Banking Alliance, it's folded. It

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Speaker 3: is also the insurance industry, the Climate Group that was

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Speaker 3: set up by the insurance industry last year, and there's

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Speaker 3: another climate focused organization for the asset management industry which

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Speaker 3: is also considering whether it needs to continue to exist.

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Speaker 3: So watch that space. Now I'm going to tell you

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Speaker 3: about yea, what my mom did. Okay, this is I

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Speaker 3: just want to urge you against catastrophizing the fact that

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Speaker 3: parents aren't teaching their kids to cock anymore in the

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Speaker 3: same way that we used to.

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Speaker 15: Right.

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Speaker 3: So, my mum was a really busy mum and for

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Speaker 3: a lot of there was some significant period of my

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Speaker 3: life where my mum was basically a solo parent, like

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Speaker 3: many many of my contemporaries, three kids, and trying to

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Speaker 3: a very successful at the work that she was doing.

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Speaker 3: But it meant that as a realistate agent, but it

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Speaker 3: meant that she was working very hard, very long hours. Right,

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Speaker 3: She's up in the morning early getting the deals together,

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Speaker 3: and then sometimes you'd have to go out and she'd

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Speaker 3: have to stitch the deals together at night, and she'd

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Speaker 3: she'd be working with the open homes at the weekend

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Speaker 3: and stuff. So there really wasn't very much time to

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Speaker 3: teach us to cock. And what time she did have

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Speaker 3: with us didn't I didn't want to spend like hassling

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Speaker 3: us in the kitchen. It was going to be quality

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Speaker 3: time anyway. There was an occasion where I changed school

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Speaker 3: and I went from a school that did not care

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Speaker 3: so much about home economics to a school that did

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Speaker 3: care very much about home economics. I suppose maybe because

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Speaker 3: you know, a home economics class means you didn't have

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Speaker 3: to teach maths to the kids. I'm just buying personal opinion, anyway,

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Speaker 3: So I went to homech which is useless, and the

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Speaker 3: teacher said, right, I want you all to contribute something

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Speaker 3: you know tomorrow blah blah blah whatever. So old mate.

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Speaker 3: You know who was into tramping. I forget his name now,

1451
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Speaker 3: but he was a nerd. He turned up and baked

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Speaker 3: all these muffins. Did amazing things. Other people did amazing things.

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Speaker 3: I am, without a word of a lie, turned up

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Speaker 3: with a carrot which I chopped and then had some

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Speaker 3: hummus and opened it up. And the teacher was furious

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Speaker 3: at me. But it was literally the level of my

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Speaker 3: kitchen skills. And look at me now. I'm fine. I

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Speaker 3: don't have diabetes, my family is fed. I know how

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Speaker 3: to cook beautifully. There you go, don't worry about it.

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Speaker 3: Nichola Willis is with us next.

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Speaker 1: We're Business meets Insight. He loves the Business hour. We've

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Speaker 1: headther Duplicicy Element and MAS for insurance investments and kuye Safer.

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Speaker 1: You're in good as news talk.

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Speaker 3: Said be even in coming up in the next hour.

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Speaker 3: Shane Solly on what he's expecting from the OCR decision

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Speaker 3: this week in New Zealand on the ComCom declining to

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Speaker 3: review Auckland Airport. And we have Gavin Gray with us

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Speaker 3: out of the UK right now at seven past six,

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Speaker 3: and as per usual, Nichola Willis the Finance ministers with us.

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Speaker 3: Hey Nichola, Hi, Heather, Now, when did you find out

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Speaker 3: that the Reserve Bank was paying Adrian all that money?

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Speaker 18: Well?

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Speaker 24: I knew that they had negotiated an exit agreement, and

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Speaker 24: then I learned about the Restraint of Trade provision when

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Speaker 24: the Bank released information about mister LL's departure under the

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Speaker 24: Official Information Act on the eleventh of June.

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Speaker 3: So did you know on the eleventh of June that

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Speaker 3: he was being paid this much money?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 24: I learnt the amount today, just like everyone else.

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Speaker 3: Should they have told you earlier?

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Speaker 24: That wasn't my expectation, because those arrangements were always a

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Speaker 24: negotiation between the Reserve Bank Board and Adrian or and

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Speaker 24: I had been assured that they had done those negotiations

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Speaker 24: in accordance with the terms and conditions in his contract,

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Speaker 24: which had already been agreed when he was reappointed as

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Speaker 24: governor in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so I know that it So the restraint of

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Speaker 3: trade was in his contract signed yolks ago right?

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Speaker 5: Correct?

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Speaker 3: Was the amount that would be paid to him in

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Speaker 3: his contract?

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Speaker 24: I don't know, but I have been advised by the

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Speaker 24: Bank that it was negotiated in accordance with his contract.

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Speaker 24: So I expect that the quantum reflects.

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Speaker 3: That, but not necessarily. I mean they might have upped

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Speaker 3: it or whatever because they found Is this not a

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Speaker 3: question you should be asking them?

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Speaker 24: Well, I have been given confidence that the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 24: have negotiated the exit agreement in accordance with their contractual obligations.

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Speaker 24: It's an employment matter. I am not privy to all

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Speaker 24: of the details of that negotiation, but what they had

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Speaker 24: was that he needed who have a restrainer trade period

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Speaker 24: for six months off set against any incumpnience. That was

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Speaker 24: in the terms because that was in that's in the

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Speaker 24: terms and conditions of his appointment as governor. So the

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Speaker 24: amount does reflect that because that when in twenty twenty

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Speaker 24: two that was negotiated Obviously I wasn't the minister. Then

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01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 24: that was under a previous minister. Those were the terms

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Speaker 24: of his contract, but we don't know.

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Speaker 3: We know that the restrainer trade was in there, but

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01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 3: we don't know whether the restraint of trade meant that

1513
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 3: he had to be paid this much, do.

1514
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 24: We Well, it does seem the right amount, given that

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01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 24: it was for a period of six months, so that

1516
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 24: would be commensurate with the six months of US.

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Speaker 3: Okay, are you comfortable with us?

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01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 24: Well, obviously it's a very big number, and so I

1519
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 24: think I probably had the same reaction to hearing that

1520
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 24: number as many New Zealand as what. It's a big number,

1521
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 24: it really is.

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Speaker 3: Now, listen, what is the problem with the electricity market

1523
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 3: that you guys are trying to fix with the announcement

1524
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 3: last week. What's the problem.

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Speaker 24: The problem is that when we have a dry year,

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Speaker 24: that is, there isn't enough rain in the hydro lakes,

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01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 24: then we run into electricity shortages on the days when

1528
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 24: there isn't enough solo to make up for the lack

1529
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 24: of hydro. It is the lack of firm in capacity

1530
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,600
Speaker 24: in dry years. And how do we motivate people to

1531
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 24: invest in the electricity generation that leans on gas and oil?

1532
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 24: When and coal? When in the past the past government

1533
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 24: said no, no, one hundred percent renewables by twenty thirty. We

1534
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,799
Speaker 24: don't want oil. It's a bad How do we correct?

1535
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 24: So our job now is to make it very clear

1536
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,839
Speaker 24: to the market that they can have confidence about investing

1537
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 24: in those assets because New Zealand needs them. But when

1538
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 24: we have a dry year, we need there to be

1539
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 24: enough backup gas or coal capacity that we can keep

1540
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 24: the lights on.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, Nikola, if there's one thing we've learned about

1542
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 3: the market in the thirty years since the Bradford Reforms,

1543
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,839
Speaker 3: it's that the market cannot be relied on to generate.

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01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 3: So why don't you guys just build the generation or some.

1545
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 24: Well, well, effectively, that's what we're doing by being majority shareholders.

1546
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 24: But by being majority shareholders and three of them major

1547
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 24: Gen Taylor's, and what the Frontier report said is in

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01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 24: order for those Gen tailors to have access to the

1549
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 24: capital needed to make these investments in the future, it

1550
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 24: may require a call on the taxpayer to provide additional

1551
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 24: investment to keep our equities.

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01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 3: So I understand that. I'll tell you what I don't

1553
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 3: screw up for that are you instructing the companies that

1554
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,759
Speaker 3: you majority own to build more generation?

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01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 24: We are requesting that they bring forward proposals to provide

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01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 24: dry year and.

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01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 3: Why also, because that's the idea behind thermal co is

1558
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 3: that you just you're ring And I think that thermal

1559
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 3: COO's a nutty idea, but the general the idea behind

1560
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 3: it is that you build your own generation so why

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01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 3: don't you just worry.

1562
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 24: Yes, this is in the boring detail part of the announcement,

1563
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 24: but let me step it through for you, which is

1564
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 24: that we are going to require in future transpower to

1565
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 24: measure what they think then lack of capacity for the

1566
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:58,719
Speaker 24: dry year looks like, because at the moment we don't

1567
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 24: really have reliable measurement that. And then we've said we

1568
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,919
Speaker 24: will regulate to ensure that amount of capacity is available.

1569
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 24: Now we're going to work with the sector on what

1570
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 24: the detail of that regulation looks like. But in the

1571
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 24: first instance, what the Frontier report said was the first

1572
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 24: thing you've actually got to do is get rid of

1573
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 24: this barrier, which is that they're not sure that they

1574
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 24: can make those investments. While we're getting rid of that barrier.

1575
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 24: And the Huntley Agreement, which the Commerce Commission approved last

1576
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,719
Speaker 24: week is really important. So that's Huntley having a burg

1577
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 24: stockpile of coal and an agreement that all of the

1578
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 24: gentailors will contribute to the cost of keeping that going,

1579
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 24: and that Genesis will have to sell hedging contracts to

1580
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 24: people outside of those main entities, which keeps competition going

1581
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 24: on the market. So we're seeing a response happening in

1582
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:48,879
Speaker 24: real time, But we are correcting for a massive signal

1583
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 24: failure by the last government.

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Speaker 3: Have you had any protesters outside your house about Garza?

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01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:56,759
Speaker 24: I have not, Thank goodness.

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01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 3: I worry that.

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Speaker 24: I don't see why my children should have to be

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01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 24: rooted in what is a political protest. There's nothing wrong

1589
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 24: with coming to the front steps of Parliament. There's lots

1590
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 24: of places to protest very loudly in New Zealand. You

1591
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 24: don't need to go outside someone's home.

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01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 3: How far how long before that legislation has done so

1593
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 3: you can so these guys can be hustled off and

1594
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 3: chucked in jail or whatever.

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01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 24: Well, Parliament's considering it at the moment, and it's on

1596
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 24: the legislative agenda, we are progressing it.

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01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 3: How far away do you reckon it is if it's

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01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 3: in submission phase at the moment.

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Speaker 24: Look, I don't know where it sits on the agenda,

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01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,679
Speaker 24: but obviously it's something that we intend to pass this term.

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01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 24: But here's the thing. Heither there shouldn't have to be

1602
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 24: a law for people to know what decency and civility is.

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Speaker 24: And it's simply indecent and uncivil to protest in that way.

1604
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 24: And it says more about the protesters than it does

1605
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 24: about the issues they're trying to draw attention to.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't agree more. Now, are you teaching your kids to cook?

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01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 24: Well, the thing is there's going to be a lot

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01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,600
Speaker 24: of people my mum's age. You're going to hear this

1609
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 24: response and think I'm doing a bad job. But the

1610
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 24: truth is not, really, we're still at the stage of

1611
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 24: trying to teach them to pick their own towels up

1612
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 24: and put their clothes away. I think they could probably

1613
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 24: make a smoothie, a peanut butter sandwich. I know that

1614
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 24: my twelve year old learned how to make Japanese omelets

1615
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 24: in his cooking class, and he likes making those. I

1616
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 24: think my fifteen year old could probably make himself a

1617
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 24: bowl of pasta if pressed. But that's about it.

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01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 3: It's not that bad that we're going to be fine, Nicola.

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01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, the German is catastrophizing this, Nicola, and I'm

1620
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,719
Speaker 3: saying to her, it's fine because we've got the Internet

1621
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 3: and it can step you through it when you need

1622
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 3: to write.

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Speaker 24: Ah, Look, they'll be absolutely fine. In fact, one of

1624
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 24: my close university friendships was formed with a man who

1625
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 24: only knew how to make tuna pasta. And he's so

1626
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 24: much better for having had his female flatmates teach him

1627
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 24: a thing or two. And you can learn these things

1628
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 24: in due courses. It's not rocket science, it's cooking. And yep,

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Speaker 24: my kids could survive on peanut butter sandwiches for a while,

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01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 24: I think, and Mum's probably taught them a few things.

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Speaker 3: Long good on Granny Nicola, Thanks very much, Nicola willis

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01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 3: the Finance Minister. Heather restraint of trade, ho would employ Adrian?

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01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 3: Very good question, by the way, do you realize just

1634
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 3: on the scars of protests to stuff and the kids

1635
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 3: at the floteller? You know, we talked the other day

1636
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 3: to a Adrian Leson who's the father? Is it Sam

1637
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 3: Sam Leson one of the kids over there? Do you

1638
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 3: realize that Adrian Leeson, the dad of one of the

1639
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 3: flotilla kids, is the same Adrian Leeson who was busted

1640
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 3: for attacking the y Hawpeye spy base all those years

1641
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:29,799
Speaker 3: ago in two thousand and eight. That's right, Apple doesn't

1642
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 3: fall far from the three quarter past.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather dupas Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

1644
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by news dog Zebbie.

1645
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 3: Listen as I said to you, I'm going to talk

1646
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 3: about the ocr in a minute, because that's obviously an

1647
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:46,560
Speaker 3: important thing that's going to happen in a couple of

1648
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 3: days time. But as I said to you earlier, we're

1649
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 3: going to talk to a New Zealand just after half

1650
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 3: past about the fact that ComCom has declined their request

1651
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 3: to do a review in to Auckland Airports. Now related

1652
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 3: slightly related matter. We tried to greet Greg four on

1653
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 3: to talk about it, and they said, I will just

1654
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 3: go and hunt Greg downseat. But then Greg couldn't do it,

1655
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 3: and so someone else is going to do It's Christy

1656
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,600
Speaker 3: Mackay who's going to do it? Who is actually the

1657
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 3: right person to talk to about it? Anyway, what I

1658
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 3: heard is I'm surprised Greg is still there because they

1659
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 3: had his farewell the other day. And what I heard

1660
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 3: was that his farewell was in one of the hangars,

1661
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 3: which means they couldn't have booze, so they had an

1662
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 3: entire farewell boozeless. Would you go to it? I would,

1663
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 3: Thank god, I declined. I declined because I'm on air

1664
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 3: at the time. But if I'd known the circumstances and

1665
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 3: I wasn't on it, I would have declined, So thank

1666
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 3: god I missed that, because who wants to go to

1667
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 3: a goodbye party? There's not even a little Gin and

1668
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 3: tonic to suck on. Anyway, Christy doesn't know this question

1669
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 3: is coming at her, but I'm going to see if

1670
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 3: I can confirm this with her. It's nineteen past six, Shane,

1671
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 3: Solly Harbor Asset Managements with me. Hey, Shane, there's an

1672
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 3: On Friday, Shane, we had some weak US economic data released.

1673
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 3: What do you reckon this means for investment markets?

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01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 25: Yeah, good question. So on Friday was what it's called

1675
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 25: this September US ISOM service and that's our Institute of

1676
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 25: Supply Management. So so forward looking index came in. We can

1677
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 25: then expect that it came in at fifty, which is still

1678
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 25: sort of neutralish, but the market had been expecting it

1679
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 25: to be a more like fifty one and a half

1680
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 25: fifty two, So actually a little bit of a shrinking

1681
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,679
Speaker 25: activity since the first time, since they're actually the pandemic.

1682
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 25: But bad news is good news and markets and that

1683
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 25: calling an activity means the US Fed a reserve maybe

1684
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 25: at a cut rates a bit quicker, and indeed the

1685
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 25: markets have actually priced it a ninety five percent chance

1686
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 25: of an October cut by the Fed, so yep, markets

1687
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 25: can twist it.

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01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 3: Now we've got the Reserve Bank official cash rate cut. Well,

1689
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:38,799
Speaker 3: I think we can call it a cut on Wednesday,

1690
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 3: can't we? But what is the market expecting in terms

1691
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 3: of a cut or a double cut?

1692
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1693
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 25: I think you know a great point. The market is

1694
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 25: fully expecting a cut, and I think you know we've

1695
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 25: got markets pricing and the zero point three four, which

1696
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:51,680
Speaker 25: is a kind of an odd number, So what it

1697
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 25: means is at least zero point twenty five percent, so

1698
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 25: quarter of percent, and potential for a zero point five percent,

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01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 25: so that it will take us to two point seven

1700
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 25: five or two point five percent. So the key for

1701
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 25: investment market is how dubbish language is dubbish? Meaning will

1702
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 25: there be more cuts? And so the market's looking for November.

1703
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 25: So if we don't get fifty, this run round. But

1704
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 25: if there's some dubbish discussion, there will be another twenty

1705
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 25: five and in November. And there's some people out there

1706
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 25: saying it should be fifty now and twenty five again

1707
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 25: in November, so pretty punchy. But your markets have run.

1708
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:22,600
Speaker 8: Ahead of this.

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01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 25: They can run further. So the ten year government bond yell,

1710
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 25: for example, where there has gone from four point seven

1711
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 25: percent it's peak over the last year to four to

1712
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:33,799
Speaker 25: twenty five. That's a reasonable move. New Zealand dollar crossraateed

1713
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 25: against the US has gone from sixty one to fifty

1714
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 25: eight in New Zealand shere market's actually up fourteen percent

1715
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 25: from its April low. It's only seven percent up on

1716
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,640
Speaker 25: a year ago, but it's still up forteen percent, so

1717
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Speaker 25: it's heard a pretty good rally in anticipation of these

1718
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 25: rate cuts in the market was a bit flat today,

1719
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Speaker 25: but we did see all the rate sensitive economic sensitive

1720
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 25: stocks like Ryman and Somer set in some of the

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Speaker 25: property stock swrounding.

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Speaker 3: Now you've got the business opinion out tomorrow. What are

1723
01:18:58,600 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 3: you expecting to see them?

1724
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,839
Speaker 25: Yeah, look at QSBO. The inside i QSBO really well regarded.

1725
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 25: Last time round back in June was eighteen was the number,

1726
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 25: which is pretty low really, so hopefully we'll see a

1727
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 25: bit of a.

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01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 8: Lift from this.

1729
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 25: In terms of the September quarter, we are getting more

1730
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 25: and more comment comments from a company saying, look those

1731
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 25: green shirts we're talking about a month or too ago,

1732
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 25: they're actually growing into pasture rather than weeds. But so

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01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 25: we should see a decent lift tomorrow from Jane's low.

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01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 25: But it may still be a little while before businesses

1735
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 25: are talking about making hay brilliant.

1736
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 3: That's something at least Shane appreciated. Shane Soley, Harbor Asset Management. Heather,

1737
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 3: a maid of mine, arrived in London after I'd been

1738
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 3: there a year or so and was dossing on my

1739
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 3: floor for a few nights, and he said, mate, I'll

1740
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 3: make some dinner, and so we nipped a Sainsbury's and

1741
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 3: he came back with a couple of bags of groceries

1742
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:43,560
Speaker 3: and I thought I was in for a rip of

1743
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 3: dinner until he came out and said, mate, how do

1744
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 3: you boil rice? He was twenty one, that was ninety

1745
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 3: ninety one. See it's been going on forever. That's from

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01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 3: d On six.

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01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 2: Twenty two, croating the numbers and getting the results.

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01:19:55,040 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicylan with the Business Hour and mas to ensure.

1749
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 2: And skin investments and Quie Saber, you're in good hands.

1750
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 3: News Talk said, be here the get grant to chip

1751
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 3: in the four hundred thousand dollars for the stuff up

1752
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 3: with Adrian that he created. It's only half a year

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01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 3: for him on his salary. Actually, do you know what,

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01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 3: I just I finished Grant's book and I'm not going

1755
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 3: to do the review today. I'm going to do the

1756
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 3: review when we have time. But he does mention Adrian.

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01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 3: Have I got a book marked here?

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01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 4: Oh?

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01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 3: Yeah I do, I've got it. Yeah, okay, right, I've

1760
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 3: got it. So in the next half hour, I'll read

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01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,719
Speaker 3: you a little bit about Adrian. It's not that juicy.

1762
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 3: It's not that juicy, but it's just sort of like

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01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 3: it's just a really interesting insight into how Grant now

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01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 3: considers the Adrian the Adrian, you know, that whole thing,

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01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 3: because I wouldn't mention it if I was him, because

1766
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 3: it's just turned It's just turned to custard, hasn't it,

1767
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 3: But on Adrian and the stuff up that he's left

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01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 3: us with. Not good news. If you are expecting a

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01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 3: double cut this week, which I was. I was fully

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01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 3: loaded for a double cut. Most of the Nzier shadow

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01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 3: board reckons it's only going to be a twenty five

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01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 3: percent basis cut. Those who think it's twenty five reckon

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01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 3: it's because there's excess capacity in the economy, which they say,

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01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 3: provide scope for a small cut to support a recovery

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01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 3: and activity without affecting the inflation outlook. One person even

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01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 3: thought it was a good idea to recommend holding it

1777
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 3: because of the recent spike and inflation. The minority, though,

1778
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 3: thought a double cut was necessary because of that mass

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01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 3: of GDP slump which came as a shock in the

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Speaker 3: second quarter six twenty six.

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01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: There's no business like show business.

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01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 3: Let me tell you about this. Robert Irwin has been

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01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 3: on Dancing with the Stars. Now, I have zero interests

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01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 3: in the show because I'm too busy. I can't even

1785
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 3: teach my kids to cock. I don't have time for Telly,

1786
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 3: So clips of him dancing is a little heart out.

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01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 3: I just everywhere though, because he's a hot babe.

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01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 23: Right.

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01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 3: He was on TikTok with Dancing with the Stars and

1790
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 3: he performed the sulsa to this steamy song pump it please.

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01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 15: Let be.

1792
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: Nies.

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01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:50,839
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Anyway, he grabbed some headlines

1794
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 3: because he ripped open his shirt and he had the

1795
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 3: shredded abs and everybody loved it. Now we all remember

1796
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 3: those abs because he was in the bonds Undi shoot earlier.

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01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 3: The cm we loved that as well. Not just middle

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01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 3: aged bums who were loving it. It's apparently TV producers

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01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 3: who are now circling him like a shark. And here's

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Speaker 3: what he had to say when he was asked if

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01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 3: he could potentially be the next Bachelor.

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01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 2: Hey, all I can say is watch this space.

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01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 3: Strange things have happened.

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01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 8: Who knows Whitney any thoughts?

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01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 12: Absolutely not?

1806
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Whitney. At the end, there is his

1807
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 3: dancing partner who has quote taken control of his love life.

1808
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 3: Now we know how how that often pans out, don't we,

1809
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:32,759
Speaker 3: From all the broken marriages from you know, the Dancing

1810
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 3: with the Stars show. Anyway, sounds to me like Whitney

1811
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 3: may have more of an interest in there that that

1812
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 3: than is apparent to us at the moment. Anyway, we'll

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01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,799
Speaker 3: just pump this music up again so you can enjoy

1814
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,600
Speaker 3: imagining Robert Salsa into it and his abs on displaying that.

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01:22:45,640 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 23: We'll talk to us and shortly enjoy.

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01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,480
Speaker 2: Whether it's a macro micro or just plain economics.

1817
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:16,759
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen

1818
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 1: and Mass for Insurance Investments and the Chewie Safer.

1819
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 2: You're in good ads use talks.

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01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:27,480
Speaker 1: That'd been we were driving driving in your car speeds

1821
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 1: a faster fellow.

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01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 3: We don't have Gavin Gray this week. Actually we've got today,

1823
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 3: We've got Gail Downey. He's on holiday or something like that,

1824
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 3: so she'll be with us in ten minutes out of

1825
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 3: the UK. It's actually, by the way, an interesting week

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01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 3: in New Zealand politically because the House is sitting this week,

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01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 3: which means the Maori Party, if they turn up for work,

1828
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 3: which you can't really count on, maybe asked what is

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01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 3: actually going on in the party given the protest moment

1830
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 3: has cut tires, et cetera. If they do turn up,

1831
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 3: they'll be turning up tomorrow and the question will be

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01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 3: asked tomorrow to keep an eye out for that. We

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01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 3: certainly will on your behalf. It's twenty four away from

1834
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 3: seven now. The Commerce Commission has announced it will not

1835
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 3: undertake a formal review of airport fees in New Zealand

1836
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,879
Speaker 3: has asked the ComCom to review if what the airport

1837
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 3: was charging the airlines was out of control. Christy MacKaye

1838
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 3: is the head of regulatory Affairs for Air New Zealand.

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01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 3: Hi Christy Hi Heather are you disappointed or were you

1840
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 3: expecting this?

1841
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 26: We were actually pleasantly surprised and happy with what the

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01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 26: Commerce Commission have seeds. We think it confirms what we've

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01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 26: been saying for several years now, that these costs are

1844
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 26: being locked into the system without any oversight.

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01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,520
Speaker 3: Okay, so what part I mean? Because they've basically declined

1846
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 3: to do the review that you want, So what part

1847
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 3: are you happy about?

1848
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 26: They have said that the inquiry can't really be done on.

1849
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 5: The legislation as it stands.

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01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 26: So they've put it back to the government and said

1851
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 26: for us to.

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01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 5: Be able to do the work that we would need

1853
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 5: to do, there are some small changes that need to

1854
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 5: be made.

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01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 3: Basically, yes, and so what are you happy about?

1856
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 26: We think it's good that two independent voices have now

1857
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 26: come out in the past few months.

1858
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 5: And seeds that there is a problem.

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01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 26: This is something we've been saying for over twenty years.

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01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 26: So it's good that at least they're acknowledging there's a problem.

1861
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 21: We don't.

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01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 26: We're not closer to a solution, but you know, in

1863
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 26: our world we still take the wins where we can.

1864
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 3: How but do you think the problem is well.

1865
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 26: We think it's potentially twenty billion dollar problem once you

1866
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 26: look at what Auckland are planning to spend, and as

1867
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 26: the Commission said in their report today, they don't really

1868
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 26: have the tools to look at something that's that big,

1869
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 26: that's across so many years, So that's it could be

1870
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 26: bigger than twenty billion dollars.

1871
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 3: Of course, twenty billion dollars of war period of time.

1872
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 26: Out to twenty forty three, so that's.

1873
01:25:57,320 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 3: What like twenty years basically, so it's a billion dollars

1874
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 3: a year, yes, And is that is that the billion

1875
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 3: dollars on top of the airfares?

1876
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 5: Like?

1877
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 3: Is that them? Is that the price increase on top

1878
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 3: of existing airfares?

1879
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 26: So I don't know if you want me to get

1880
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 26: into ala, but basically, the regulated airports have their asset base,

1881
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 26: and they take the total size of the asset base

1882
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 26: and then they add a bit of interest on top

1883
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 26: and then divide it by the number of passengers and

1884
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 26: then you get your per passenger cost. So the bigger

1885
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 26: your asset base, the more you can pass on to passengers.

1886
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 3: I see what you're doing there, Yeah, okay, what's the

1887
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:37,679
Speaker 3: game plan?

1888
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 7: Now?

1889
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 3: Are you just going to accept it? Are you going

1890
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:41,839
Speaker 3: to keep lobbying for some sort of regulation.

1891
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 26: We want what's best for Kiwi travelers, which is that

1892
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 26: the government can have better oversight of what exactly airports

1893
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:55,679
Speaker 26: are spending because it's the Kiwi travelers that pay.

1894
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 3: Okay, now, is Greg still around?

1895
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 5: He is his actually on holiday at the moment.

1896
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:02,719
Speaker 3: When's he leaving?

1897
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 5: When is he leaving? Two more weeks?

1898
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:09,680
Speaker 3: So he's on holiday. He's on holiday two weeks before.

1899
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 26: He leaves at school holidays here.

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01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 3: No, it's not. It was school holidays last week. Today's

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01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 3: the first day they went went back to We're all

1902
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 3: very grateful for that. That's how we know it.

1903
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I mean on my I can't comment on

1904
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 5: my boss.

1905
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:25,759
Speaker 3: Worry about it. He's not your boss for much longer,

1906
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 3: so let's just smack talk him right now. Did you

1907
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 3: go to his leaving party?

1908
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 5: Yes?

1909
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 3: I did, Now, Christy, I heard that the leaving party

1910
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 3: was booze free because it was in a hangar. Yes,

1911
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 3: is that true?

1912
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 5: That's right?

1913
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 26: Yes, all of our all of our work sites are dry, Christy.

1914
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 3: That just sucks so badly. How how much did his

1915
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 3: leaving party suck?

1916
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 5: It was a wonderful, wonderful event.

1917
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 3: But how were you wanting to get out of the Yeah,

1918
01:27:57,439 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 3: there wasn't a dry eye, but there was a dry glass.

1919
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 3: How how fast did you want to get out of

1920
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 3: there because it was so No, I.

1921
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 26: Was happy to be it was quite cold because it's

1922
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 26: in the hangout.

1923
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 5: It was a wonderful tribute.

1924
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 3: Whoever's running your events needs you need to go to

1925
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 3: them and you need to say to them next time

1926
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 3: in a warm place with drinks. And that's the solution.

1927
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 3: Am I right?

1928
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 5: Okay, thanks, I'll pass that on.

1929
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure you will, Christie, Thanks very much. Christy

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Speaker 3: mckaye in New Zealand, head of Regulatory Affairs. Oh, Greg

1931
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 3: got ripped off at the end, didn't he. No one

1932
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 3: has a good time completely sober, do that? I mean,

1933
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 3: I'm not advocating alcoholism, but there's a couple to lubricate conversations,

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01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Nineteen Away from seven Grant

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Speaker 3: Robertson Grant Robinson's excerpt from his book on How Awesome

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Speaker 3: Adriana Was. So he tells the story on page one

1937
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Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five about how he had all these

1938
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Speaker 3: ideas for reforming the Reserve Bank. He wanted to have

1939
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Speaker 3: the dual mandate where it wasn't just inflation control, but

1940
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Speaker 3: it was also employment out comes that went really well

1941
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Speaker 3: for us. Not also wanted to have the Monetary Poles

1942
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Speaker 3: Committee instead of just the governor making decisions. Blah blah blah.

1943
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Speaker 3: Our proposals went down like a cup of cold sick

1944
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Speaker 3: with the Purists, who included the outgoing governor Graham Wheeler.

1945
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Speaker 3: I had clashed with him a number of times as

1946
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 3: opposition spokesperson. Right to his final days in the job.

1947
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Speaker 3: Graham Wheeler tried to convince us not to go ahead,

1948
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Speaker 3: particularly on the change to the Bank's objectives. This continued

1949
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Speaker 3: with the acting governor, Grant Spencer. When we were elected,

1950
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Speaker 3: I knew we had to have someone with a more

1951
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Speaker 3: pragmatic attitude take over, and that none of the current

1952
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Speaker 3: leadership would be able to offer that. That's aged badly,

1953
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Speaker 3: isn't it a more pragmatic attitude, geez, more tantrumy attitude.

1954
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Speaker 3: As the search for a governor began, one person came

1955
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Speaker 3: up from many quarters, the New Zealand Super Fund CEO,

1956
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Speaker 3: Adrian Or. I did not know Adrian Lucky you, but

1957
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Speaker 3: I had admired his work at the Fund. He was

1958
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 3: also a straightforward communicator who I hoped would bring some

1959
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Speaker 3: of those skills to the bank. When he was brought

1960
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Speaker 3: forward as the nominee after the selection process, I had

1961
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Speaker 3: only one question, would he be able to wor with

1962
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Speaker 3: the new arrangements. He should have asked, would you be

1963
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Speaker 3: able to work with other people? The message came back

1964
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Speaker 3: that he was not only comfortable with them, but also

1965
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 3: thought they were sensible changes. His appointment in December twenty

1966
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Speaker 3: seventeen was warmly welcomed. Everything about that, oh, everything about

1967
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:22,559
Speaker 3: that has just aged so badly. Anyway, when was it

1968
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Speaker 3: even published? I mean surely he could have changed it

1969
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Speaker 3: at the last minute, because this has not bit like

1970
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Speaker 3: so published this year, published this year over year, they

1971
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Speaker 3: would have finished the manuscript and stuff. So anyway, booho

1972
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Speaker 3: so aij IAG, IAG get the letters right because it's

1973
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 3: important IAG very important news in the insurance business has

1974
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:43,519
Speaker 3: been fined nineteen point five million dollars at the high

1975
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 3: Quarter in Auckland for overcharging customers. This has hit the

1976
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,200
Speaker 3: news today. This goes back. The stuff goes back to

1977
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen and through IAG's brands State Ami,

1978
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:56,800
Speaker 3: NZII and so on, it turns out IAG was overcharging

1979
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 3: customers and not applying multi multi policy discounts when they

1980
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 3: should and it racked up to the tune of like

1981
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 3: thirty five million dollars, so it was not insignificant and

1982
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 3: affected nearly two hundred and seventy thousand customers. That is

1983
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 3: why it's been slapped that mass of fine nineteen point

1984
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 3: five million dollars. Right, We're off to the UK next

1985
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:13,799
Speaker 3: news talks, the'db.

1986
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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour

1987
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Speaker 1: with Heather duplicl and Mayors for Insurance Investments and Huey

1988
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Speaker 1: Saber and you're in good hands News talks.

1989
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Speaker 8: He'd be right.

1990
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Speaker 3: It's fourteen away from seven and Gale Downy our UK

1991
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Speaker 3: correspondents with me. Hello, Gail, Hello, Right, So what is

1992
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Speaker 3: the government doing in your part of the world about

1993
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Speaker 3: these repeat protests?

1994
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Speaker 2: Yees.

1995
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Speaker 27: So they've made these announcements that they're going to make

1996
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Speaker 27: some changes to the law following the rest of almost

1997
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Speaker 27: five hundred people who took part in the weekend's pro

1998
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 27: Palestinians demonstration in London. There have been a number of

1999
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Speaker 27: these demonstrations over the past couple of months and their homes.

2000
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Speaker 27: It should been in the mood has said, you know,

2001
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Speaker 27: enough is enough from now on. The plan is that

2002
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Speaker 27: police forces will have the power to stop organizers using

2003
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Speaker 27: the same location for protests. So if the numbers have

2004
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Speaker 27: been held there already, which they have been in central London,

2005
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Speaker 27: it means the organizers may have to hold their events elsewhere.

2006
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Speaker 3: What do you make of these plans to give the

2007
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Speaker 3: young people some money towards their first times?

2008
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Speaker 27: Well, it's an interesting one, isn't it Actually because also

2009
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:35,679
Speaker 27: the government has made some announcement today about helping first

2010
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Speaker 27: time buyers because actually it's quite difficult. It can be

2011
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:43,640
Speaker 27: quite a long process buying a home here, quite complicated

2012
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Speaker 27: and quite expensive. And it's the Tory party conference this week,

2013
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Speaker 27: and what they've said, the Shadow Chancellor has said, look,

2014
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Speaker 27: we're going to give young people a five thousand pounds

2015
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Speaker 27: ten thousand pound New Zealand dollars tax rebate towards their

2016
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Speaker 27: first home when they get their full first full time job.

2017
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Speaker 27: So they're linking getting a job with getting tax supports.

2018
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Speaker 27: So what they're saying is this is about rewarding work. Now,

2019
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Speaker 27: how are they're going to pay for it? What they

2020
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Speaker 27: say is that the payment will be funded by cuts

2021
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Speaker 27: to public spending on welfare, the civil service, and the

2022
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Speaker 27: foreign aid budget.

2023
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, girl, But

2024
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Speaker 3: you ain't going to be buying a house un least

2025
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Speaker 3: you've got a job, are you.

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Speaker 27: I can't ever foresee a time when any lender would

2027
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Speaker 27: lend you some money without you having a job. So

2028
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Speaker 27: it is an interesting one that it's part. It's a conference,

2029
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Speaker 27: So things are said at conferences, you know, these things,

2030
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Speaker 27: whether they ever come to fruition. Of course, the first

2031
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 27: thing that must happen is for the Conservatives to come

2032
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Speaker 27: to power, and there isn't an election here for at

2033
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Speaker 27: least another two years.

2034
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, why do you reckon it? Is that

2035
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Speaker 3: there has been this increase in the sale of evs.

2036
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Speaker 27: Well two things really, and what analysts are saying is firstly,

2037
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Speaker 27: the government, because they want to get people to buy evs,

2038
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Speaker 27: is that they are offering discounts to people. So the

2039
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Speaker 27: grant scheme, say you buy a small fully electric car

2040
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Speaker 27: for about thirty four thousand dollars, which will be the

2041
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Speaker 27: absolute starting point. They rise up to one hundred thousand

2042
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Speaker 27: dollars and probably more. You'll get a discount of eight

2043
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Speaker 27: and a half thousand New Zealand dollars. So doing the

2044
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Speaker 27: maths there, you can end up paying about twenty six

2045
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Speaker 27: thousand dollars for a new electric car, and the government

2046
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Speaker 27: is giving this discount because it wants to encourage people.

2047
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Speaker 27: The other thing, of course, is that there are so

2048
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Speaker 27: many changes in terms of charging points that are going

2049
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Speaker 27: to be put up everywhere. The far more charging points.

2050
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Speaker 27: You can have one at your home, of course, and

2051
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Speaker 27: there are some cities where actually you know, you've got

2052
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Speaker 27: to be really careful. If you don't have an evy

2053
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Speaker 27: or your your car is of a certain type, you

2054
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:11,160
Speaker 27: get charged like a congestion charge for going into the cities.

2055
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Speaker 3: Yes, Gail, I need you to clear something up for me.

2056
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Speaker 3: I can't be sure. Is the noise in the background

2057
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Speaker 3: a small dog or a parrot? Oh, it's a small dog.

2058
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Speaker 3: It is a small dog. It's my it's my small dog.

2059
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Speaker 8: I do apologize.

2060
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Speaker 27: I have put her in the other room, but she

2061
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Speaker 27: likes to join in.

2062
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Speaker 3: So you know, we're all about audience participation, Gail, thank

2063
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Speaker 3: you for that, Gail Downey, UK correspondent Glad I said

2064
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Speaker 3: all that. Otherwise I think geez she's got a parrot.

2065
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Speaker 3: People with parrots say, remember when parrots were a thing.

2066
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Speaker 3: It was my best friend when I was in primary

2067
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:50,240
Speaker 3: school had a parrot called Charlie, and Charlie was a

2068
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 3: crack up. But I cannot think of a single person

2069
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 3: since the late I reckon Charlie only died. Geez, I

2070
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:00,639
Speaker 3: reckon Charlie only died in the mid two thousand. But

2071
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:03,440
Speaker 3: who has had a parrot since the mid two thousands.

2072
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:05,800
Speaker 3: Nobody has birds anymore, do they? Is it is a

2073
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 3: strange thing to am? I wrong, it's a strange thing

2074
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 3: to have. It's not a pet that you have nowadays,

2075
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 3: see anyone. I'm glad that Gail is not a bird person,

2076
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:14,639
Speaker 3: but in fact, just as I am, you know, small

2077
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 3: dog person, which is much more normal anyway. Tata. Now,

2078
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:20,400
Speaker 3: I wasn't here for Tata's album really, so I was

2079
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 3: quite disappointed by that. But I'm glad to say I

2080
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 3: have caught up a bit on what's going on. She

2081
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:27,240
Speaker 3: was on Graham Norton over the weekend. She showed off

2082
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 3: her new bling and there's a lot to congratulate Tenlor

2083
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 3: Swift suppose, But the one that I feel I ought

2084
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 3: to gradually is the new bit of finger jewelry. The

2085
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:39,760
Speaker 3: hardware up read yes, hardware upgrade. So anyway, do you

2086
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:42,720
Speaker 3: remember the photos when she announced the announce the engagement.

2087
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:44,639
Speaker 3: They had the photos and it was it was her

2088
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:47,639
Speaker 3: in a beautiful dress and he was proposing to her

2089
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 3: in this beautiful kind of floral arrangement and everybody looked

2090
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:52,599
Speaker 3: at them, Oh that's nice. They had their engagement thing,

2091
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:54,400
Speaker 3: and then they mocked it up for social media so

2092
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:57,160
Speaker 3: that they could share some photos with us. No, that

2093
01:36:57,320 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 3: was the real engagement And is that the actual proposal?

2094
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 17: It is actually so he really crushed it when it

2095
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:09,680
Speaker 17: came to, surprising me because we had actually filmed a

2096
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 17: podcast episode. He has a podcast called New Heights.

2097
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 2: Yea.

2098
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 17: We filmed the podcast for about three or four hours

2099
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 17: or whatever, and meanwhile behind his house he was having

2100
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 17: the whole backgarden turned into this wow And one of

2101
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 17: the things that he put in there very strategically was

2102
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 17: a wall of hedges that weren't there before, and inside

2103
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:37,439
Speaker 17: the hedges was my tour photographer hiding in bushes that

2104
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:39,720
Speaker 17: had not previously been there. It was you went all

2105
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 17: out ten out of ten.

2106
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 3: No pushia, lads, But if you're proposing to someone anytime soon,

2107
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 3: you just you know, installing some random hedges is not

2108
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:51,240
Speaker 3: going too far. It's even away from seven.

2109
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Speaker 1: It's the hither timper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

2110
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:59,679
Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk Zibby.

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Speaker 3: Listen, it's just got worse with Winston Peters. He's just

2112
01:38:03,120 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 3: put out a social media posting saying tonight, a disgusting

2113
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:08,400
Speaker 3: coward has gone to my home and smashed a window.

2114
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:11,400
Speaker 3: Glass was shattered all over our dog. He also left

2115
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 3: a sign on the front door. I wasn't home, but

2116
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:16,240
Speaker 3: my partner and guest were, and this is truly gutless. Listen,

2117
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 3: if this is you have to, you know, take into

2118
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:22,760
Speaker 3: account the possibility it might be somebody completely unrelated to

2119
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 3: what's going on with Guzza, because I haven't seen what

2120
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:26,599
Speaker 3: the note says, so I have to assume that it's possible.

2121
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 3: But if it is the protesters, they need to understand

2122
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:32,599
Speaker 3: that they will alienate people over this, and they need

2123
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 3: that cut this out. Is completely unacceptable to treat a

2124
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 3: fellow Kiwi like that, now parrots. Okay, So I've gone

2125
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 3: to chat GPT and I've said, what was the peak

2126
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:45,200
Speaker 3: period parrot ownership, and yes, I was right. Peak period

2127
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:47,559
Speaker 3: of parrot ownership was during the nineteen eighties to the

2128
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 3: early two thousands. During this time, the exotic pet trade

2129
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 3: was booming and brightly colored parrots became symbols of status

2130
01:38:56,280 --> 01:39:00,160
Speaker 3: and companionship. This period coincided with large scale import of

2131
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:03,800
Speaker 3: wild caught parrots, but then the Convention on International Trade

2132
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 3: and Endangered Species Listings in the in the late eighties

2133
01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:10,720
Speaker 3: and early nineties began curbing the trade, leading to a

2134
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:13,960
Speaker 3: gradual decline in ownership thereafter, and also there were concerns

2135
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 3: about welfare and stuff like that. In the mid nineties,

2136
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:22,519
Speaker 3: about six million US households had a parrot, including my

2137
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 3: best friend who had a parrot, and it was very

2138
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 3: similar in the United Kingdom and Australasia. So there you go.

2139
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Speaker 3: You knew something you didn't know yesterday, which actually, I mean,

2140
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:32,559
Speaker 3: that's the purpose of the show, so I I'd expect

2141
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:35,200
Speaker 3: that to be the outcome most days, but we can't

2142
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:37,040
Speaker 3: be sure. Okay, Libby, what have you got.

2143
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Speaker 24: I've got a bit of Robbie Williams for us. I

2144
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,000
Speaker 24: feel like you would have owned a parrot.

2145
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well probably a lot of I reckon he's

2146
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:47,719
Speaker 3: more of a tiger guy. Oh that's true or something weird,

2147
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 3: you know.

2148
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:50,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I've got a bit of Robbie.

2149
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:53,080
Speaker 20: Because he had some scheduling issues.

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Speaker 22: He was supposed to be releasing an album, but.

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Speaker 20: Obviously Tailswift was dominating the charts right now, so probably

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Speaker 20: not a good time for anyone else to be thinking

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Speaker 20: of releasing music.

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Speaker 11: And he's had to push the release back.

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Speaker 3: But I thought, what else happened to him? Or he

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Speaker 3: had to cancel his constant Turkey because there was some

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Speaker 3: sort of security threat, wasn't there?

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Speaker 23: He didn't do that as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so when's album coming out? Not until February now,

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Speaker 3: A good move from Hamburgy. I mean that sucks. No

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Speaker 3: one wants to go up against Tata. I mean I

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Speaker 3: was looking at the Graham Norton couch. I was like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: poor buggers having to sit next to her. Nobody else cares,

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Speaker 3: or alternatively, more people are watching and so maybe yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 3: see you tomorrow, have a nice evening.

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