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Speaker 1: John Minto is joining us because the Palestinian Solidarity Network

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Speaker 1: al ted OA they're asking members of the public to

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Speaker 1: help them track down Israeli soldiers holidaying in New Zealand. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they've asked people to call a hotline if they spot

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Speaker 1: an Israeli soldier in order to help hold Israel accountable

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Speaker 1: for the deaths of Palestinians in Gaza. The Human Rights Commission,

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Speaker 1: the Jewish Council, and the Holocaust Center also this campaign

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Speaker 1: is potentially harmful to Jewish people and Israeli people in

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Speaker 1: New Zealand and it should be called off. John Minto

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Speaker 1: is the network's national chair and he's with me tonight, John,

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Speaker 1: Good evening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good evening. Ryan.

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Speaker 1: Can you just explain why you think this is all good?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's all good because, well, our campaign's

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Speaker 2: good because this issue is in the hands of the government,

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Speaker 2: and our government has done nothing effective to put pressure

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Speaker 2: on Israel to end the genocide. And and I should

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Speaker 2: say that at the outset of this genocide will continue

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Speaker 2: in about four weeks time when the current ceasefire ends,

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Speaker 2: and so we've got a window of opportunity now to

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Speaker 2: put much more pressure on Israel. So that it continues

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Speaker 2: with the ceasefire rather than goes goes back to war.

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Speaker 2: So what we're saying, what we're saying is that you know,

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Speaker 2: we wouldn't New Zealand wouldn't accept We wouldn't accept Russian

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Speaker 2: soldiers here on for Western recreation after the invasion of Ukraine,

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Speaker 2: and we shouldn't accept Israeli soldiers here fresh from a

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Speaker 2: genocide in Gaza. There's been industrial scale killing of Palestinians

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Speaker 2: and Gaza. No one involved in that army should be

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Speaker 2: allowed into New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Okay, who answers the phone? If I call the hotline,

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Speaker 1: you'll get a message telling you that we're not interested

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Speaker 1: in Israelis.

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Speaker 2: We're not interested in anyone from the Jewish community. We

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Speaker 2: are only interested in Israeli soldiers. And if you don't

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Speaker 2: have information about about the whereabouts of an Israeli soldier,

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Speaker 2: then then put the phone down.

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Speaker 1: Right, And if I believe I know we're how would

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Speaker 1: someone know it's an Israeli soldier and not just in

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Speaker 1: Israeli And are they soldiers because it's compulsory military attendance there, right, So.

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Speaker 2: It's not every Israeli and New Zealand in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: is here served in the Israeli Army since October the

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Speaker 2: seventh and twenty twenty three, So we're interested in Israeli

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Speaker 2: soldiers from that period.

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Speaker 1: Specific, Quite specific, isn't it. So how do you think

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Speaker 1: any New Zealander is going to know the difference between

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Speaker 1: Anne Israeli and Anne Israeli who has done military service

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Speaker 1: in the last two three years?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that for most people just won't be

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean people can't tell Israelis from any

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Speaker 2: other European.

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Speaker 1: Well, quite right, Which is the problem with the phone line, right,

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Speaker 1: You're just going to get well, a bunch of people

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Speaker 1: bringing about saying I've seen in Israeli. Oh look, I've

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Speaker 1: been to the synagogue.

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Speaker 2: What what? God, good grief? Don't say that? For God's sake.

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Speaker 2: Where I think where it's going to come down to

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Speaker 2: Ryan is that? And we've already and already I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: say it's a pattern which has emerged from the calls

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Speaker 2: we've had, but I think it will be a pattern

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Speaker 2: which emerges from the calls we we get, and that

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Speaker 2: is from people who are from backpacking in the South Island.

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Speaker 2: So backpacking backpackers are typically what Israeli soldiers who come

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Speaker 2: over here on rest and recreation. Do they go around

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Speaker 2: they do the they do the adventure tourism, there and

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Speaker 2: there and one a Queenstown and all of you. That's

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Speaker 2: that's where.

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Speaker 1: You've had calls from people and so oh yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And how do the people that call you know that

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Speaker 1: these are Israeli soldiers have served? I don't imagine they've

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Speaker 1: got T shirts.

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Speaker 2: Because they've talked to them and because they've they've been

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Speaker 2: in conversation with them.

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Speaker 1: And okay, all right, let's call you and then you what,

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Speaker 1: jump in your car and go find them.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, What we're aiming to do is have

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Speaker 2: respectful conversations, but very firm conversation.

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Speaker 1: How do you find them? How do you find them?

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Speaker 2: Well that we know, we'll we know the names of

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Speaker 2: some of the people. We will either in some cases

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Speaker 2: we'll be sending them personal messages on through through Facebook

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Speaker 2: or whatever. In other cases we'll be visiting them if

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Speaker 2: they're in a in a in a location where our

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Speaker 2: people are, and we'll we've got a very simple if

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Speaker 2: you're like a not so much a leaflet, but a

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Speaker 2: very simple thing that we're going to to say to

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Speaker 2: them and what we're do.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I'm going to leave it there. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to live there because I just to be honest,

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Speaker 1: It sounds insane what you're talking about. But thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for coming on the program. I really appreciate it,

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