1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Teams podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,773 Speaker 1: from News Talks, that'd. 3 00:00:11,653 --> 00:00:15,173 Speaker 2: Be Steve says Jack. I agree with you. These skills 4 00:00:15,213 --> 00:00:18,973 Speaker 2: taught at school are not truly usually not usually used 5 00:00:19,013 --> 00:00:22,413 Speaker 2: for future professions, but are a filtration system determining an 6 00:00:22,453 --> 00:00:26,333 Speaker 2: individual's application levels for whatever they may choose to learn 7 00:00:26,373 --> 00:00:29,533 Speaker 2: in the future. Grant says Jack. Typically, most of what 8 00:00:29,613 --> 00:00:32,093 Speaker 2: we learn at school is not relevant to the career 9 00:00:32,133 --> 00:00:36,173 Speaker 2: that people end up working in. That's true, although you know, 10 00:00:36,213 --> 00:00:38,213 Speaker 2: sometimes it is, you know, and it's very hard to 11 00:00:38,213 --> 00:00:40,533 Speaker 2: decide at an early age what isn't isn't? I suppose 12 00:00:40,533 --> 00:00:43,653 Speaker 2: the difference with something like AI is it just seems 13 00:00:43,893 --> 00:00:48,493 Speaker 2: very comparable to me to a calculator, say, like, is it? 14 00:00:48,493 --> 00:00:50,293 Speaker 2: It's going to be here, The technology is going to 15 00:00:50,293 --> 00:00:51,853 Speaker 2: be here. It's going to be a big part of 16 00:00:51,893 --> 00:00:55,093 Speaker 2: everyday life. So are we not better just to embrace it? 17 00:00:55,173 --> 00:00:57,453 Speaker 2: You know, like if no one's learning like you know, 18 00:00:57,773 --> 00:01:00,493 Speaker 2: I use the long division example, what's the point in 19 00:01:00,573 --> 00:01:03,013 Speaker 2: learning long division when we all have calculators? What's the 20 00:01:03,493 --> 00:01:06,973 Speaker 2: point in learning to craft a perfect say when we 21 00:01:07,013 --> 00:01:10,493 Speaker 2: all have generative AI? Jack says Aaron. Probably your best 22 00:01:10,573 --> 00:01:13,493 Speaker 2: editorial of the year. How about that? Thank you ninety 23 00:01:13,493 --> 00:01:14,693 Speaker 2: two ninety two. If you want to send us a 24 00:01:14,733 --> 00:01:17,613 Speaker 2: missus jacket News Talks HEDB dot co dot nz is 25 00:01:17,653 --> 00:01:20,453 Speaker 2: the email address eighteen past nine, which means Kevin Milne 26 00:01:20,573 --> 00:01:23,973 Speaker 2: is with us this morning, Killer Kevin Curder Jack. 27 00:01:24,253 --> 00:01:28,413 Speaker 3: Yes, I learned tea line two and and also typing. 28 00:01:28,973 --> 00:01:30,613 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's a classic. 29 00:01:32,693 --> 00:01:37,613 Speaker 3: And so they were. They were tough subjects to deal with. Really, 30 00:01:37,693 --> 00:01:38,253 Speaker 3: so could you do? 31 00:01:38,413 --> 00:01:40,053 Speaker 2: Could you do eighty words a minute and tea line? 32 00:01:40,053 --> 00:01:42,293 Speaker 3: Now? I don't think I will have to go to 33 00:01:42,333 --> 00:01:45,133 Speaker 3: my certificate and have a look at that again, but 34 00:01:45,733 --> 00:01:47,693 Speaker 3: because I think that might have been the past mark 35 00:01:47,773 --> 00:01:49,813 Speaker 3: as well. Yeah, and I did pass it, but I 36 00:01:49,853 --> 00:01:52,413 Speaker 3: can't remember going that quite that fast. Maybe it was 37 00:01:52,453 --> 00:01:53,693 Speaker 3: sixty was our past mat. 38 00:01:54,173 --> 00:01:56,613 Speaker 2: I think eighty words a minute is slightly slower than 39 00:01:57,133 --> 00:01:59,373 Speaker 2: than I'm like, if I'm speaking right now, I'm probably 40 00:01:59,413 --> 00:02:01,693 Speaker 2: speaking slightly faster than eighty words a minute, but it's 41 00:02:01,693 --> 00:02:03,573 Speaker 2: only a little bit slower than than you know, so 42 00:02:03,893 --> 00:02:06,413 Speaker 2: you get the kind of the crux of everything, but 43 00:02:06,453 --> 00:02:08,373 Speaker 2: you're really working for eighty words a minute. 44 00:02:08,853 --> 00:02:11,293 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I think your point about learning to 45 00:02:11,373 --> 00:02:13,773 Speaker 3: learn is a good one. But I think, can't you 46 00:02:13,893 --> 00:02:18,053 Speaker 3: learn to learn with something that's actually going to progress 47 00:02:18,133 --> 00:02:21,653 Speaker 3: you in some way? And I immediately think of foreign 48 00:02:21,693 --> 00:02:26,293 Speaker 3: languages for example, Yeah, Maori, Maori? Why not learn to 49 00:02:26,373 --> 00:02:27,453 Speaker 3: learn learning Maori? 50 00:02:27,573 --> 00:02:29,373 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you can learn to learn from all 51 00:02:29,453 --> 00:02:32,613 Speaker 2: manner of things. But language is another really good example. 52 00:02:32,693 --> 00:02:32,853 Speaker 3: Right. 53 00:02:32,893 --> 00:02:35,973 Speaker 2: There are lots of tools now that can translate language 54 00:02:36,053 --> 00:02:38,733 Speaker 2: in real time. So it's really to think that in 55 00:02:38,773 --> 00:02:41,733 Speaker 2: twenty years time, you know, foreign languages won't matter. And 56 00:02:41,853 --> 00:02:44,853 Speaker 2: yet I think we can still see the value, like 57 00:02:44,893 --> 00:02:47,093 Speaker 2: a broader value in learning those skills. 58 00:02:47,453 --> 00:02:49,893 Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought they had quite a good example, but 59 00:02:49,933 --> 00:02:52,893 Speaker 3: you make you a good point. No, eventually that will go. 60 00:02:53,133 --> 00:02:55,853 Speaker 3: I can't think of anything really though. I can feel 61 00:02:55,973 --> 00:02:59,053 Speaker 3: sure that we're learning now that we're going to really need. 62 00:02:59,653 --> 00:03:02,853 Speaker 2: Yeah, well you can't be sure of what we will need, right, Yeah, 63 00:03:03,053 --> 00:03:05,893 Speaker 2: I mean this is what I think. Basically, teaching the 64 00:03:06,173 --> 00:03:10,053 Speaker 2: the broader skills so that people are able to adapt 65 00:03:10,333 --> 00:03:12,493 Speaker 2: quickly in the future, that's what you want to try 66 00:03:12,493 --> 00:03:14,973 Speaker 2: and inspire in people, and so that people are resilient 67 00:03:15,333 --> 00:03:17,613 Speaker 2: when they're when they're experiencing change. That's what you want 68 00:03:17,613 --> 00:03:19,973 Speaker 2: to develop in people, and it sounds kind of nebulous, 69 00:03:20,013 --> 00:03:22,333 Speaker 2: but actually trying to work that out I think is 70 00:03:22,413 --> 00:03:25,093 Speaker 2: you know, should be the goal of education. Anyway, we're 71 00:03:25,173 --> 00:03:27,333 Speaker 2: taking the big issues this morning, Kevin, But you want 72 00:03:27,373 --> 00:03:30,133 Speaker 2: to talk something slightly more trivial. You want to talk TV. 73 00:03:31,013 --> 00:03:33,533 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, not that trivial. I mean, I'm not liking 74 00:03:33,613 --> 00:03:37,053 Speaker 3: this trend in New Zealand to take shows like The 75 00:03:37,173 --> 00:03:41,333 Speaker 3: Chase or Grand Designs and copy them to make The 76 00:03:41,453 --> 00:03:45,133 Speaker 3: Chase New Zealand, Grand Designs New Zealand or all the 77 00:03:45,173 --> 00:03:47,733 Speaker 3: other shows that we've done it to have we no 78 00:03:47,893 --> 00:03:51,573 Speaker 3: ideas of our own anymore. A TV executive, if you 79 00:03:51,693 --> 00:03:54,933 Speaker 3: sustain his office of the early hours every night watching 80 00:03:55,053 --> 00:03:59,773 Speaker 3: overseas shows, once told me, Kevin, every good idea for 81 00:03:59,853 --> 00:04:03,813 Speaker 3: a new TV program has already been thought of. That's 82 00:04:03,853 --> 00:04:05,533 Speaker 3: why we keep an eye on the rest of the world. 83 00:04:05,733 --> 00:04:10,093 Speaker 3: What the the world's making now. As a program maker, 84 00:04:10,093 --> 00:04:14,213 Speaker 3: I found that depressing and actually wrong. Imagine if we 85 00:04:14,253 --> 00:04:17,293 Speaker 3: had taken that stance when Country Calendar was being created, 86 00:04:17,893 --> 00:04:21,413 Speaker 3: or Fair Go or some great kid shows like What 87 00:04:21,653 --> 00:04:25,053 Speaker 3: Now and Here's Andy. I'm not saying we shouldn't keep 88 00:04:25,093 --> 00:04:28,573 Speaker 3: an eye on what other countries are making, and even 89 00:04:28,733 --> 00:04:32,973 Speaker 3: maybe stealing some ideas. Fair Go, for example, was created 90 00:04:33,013 --> 00:04:37,573 Speaker 3: after some producers looked at the successful British consumers show 91 00:04:37,653 --> 00:04:40,933 Speaker 3: That's Life. But they didn't just go, let's contact the 92 00:04:40,973 --> 00:04:43,893 Speaker 3: BBC and by the rights to make That's Life news 93 00:04:43,893 --> 00:04:46,653 Speaker 3: even No, they went about making their own consumers show 94 00:04:46,893 --> 00:04:51,333 Speaker 3: fair Go, which was different and subsequently became even more 95 00:04:51,373 --> 00:04:54,213 Speaker 3: successful in New Zealand than That's Life was in the UK. 96 00:04:55,333 --> 00:04:59,773 Speaker 3: Country calendar. The dog Show, Absolute Kiwi classics were never 97 00:04:59,973 --> 00:05:03,613 Speaker 3: copies of some other countries program are we losing our 98 00:05:03,653 --> 00:05:06,733 Speaker 3: confidence to come up with shows that are you and 99 00:05:07,093 --> 00:05:12,093 Speaker 3: v originals? I accept there's one odd brilliant example, the 100 00:05:12,213 --> 00:05:14,013 Speaker 3: Casket Tears mm hmm. 101 00:05:14,453 --> 00:05:18,653 Speaker 2: I totally agree Carts is brilliant television. But I suspect Kevin. 102 00:05:18,693 --> 00:05:22,533 Speaker 2: Although I absolutely agree and lament that we don't have 103 00:05:22,533 --> 00:05:25,853 Speaker 2: more New Zealand productions, I suspect at the core of 104 00:05:25,893 --> 00:05:29,733 Speaker 2: all this is an economic problem. I reckon I don't 105 00:05:29,733 --> 00:05:32,373 Speaker 2: have any inside running on this, despite my despite my 106 00:05:32,813 --> 00:05:35,253 Speaker 2: job with TV and ZEN. I reckon, at the end 107 00:05:35,253 --> 00:05:38,173 Speaker 2: of the day, they'll be saying, right, what's going to 108 00:05:38,253 --> 00:05:40,293 Speaker 2: cost us money, what's going to make us money? And 109 00:05:40,333 --> 00:05:43,853 Speaker 2: the truth is that making local content, especially if it's 110 00:05:44,013 --> 00:05:46,613 Speaker 2: you know, a brand new format that you're starting from scratch, 111 00:05:47,093 --> 00:05:49,413 Speaker 2: is really really expensive. 112 00:05:49,933 --> 00:05:53,013 Speaker 3: Yes, no, totally except that, and I'm sure that is 113 00:05:53,053 --> 00:05:56,173 Speaker 3: the reason. Yeah, it's a it's a reason. Pert's why 114 00:05:56,173 --> 00:05:59,533 Speaker 3: we shouldn't be putting more money towards to a TV. 115 00:06:03,653 --> 00:06:06,773 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a this this is the right. 116 00:06:06,773 --> 00:06:08,853 Speaker 2: It's you know, if you're to break down the different 117 00:06:08,933 --> 00:06:12,253 Speaker 2: the different stre you know, the different kind of streams 118 00:06:12,293 --> 00:06:15,173 Speaker 2: of content how they describe it in the TV business. 119 00:06:15,213 --> 00:06:17,853 Speaker 2: You know, you think about sport, you think about local content, 120 00:06:17,933 --> 00:06:23,053 Speaker 2: international content, and news. Local content is just preposterously expensive 121 00:06:23,053 --> 00:06:25,933 Speaker 2: to make because you still need to you know, you've 122 00:06:25,933 --> 00:06:28,173 Speaker 2: got to buy all of the cameras or hire the 123 00:06:28,213 --> 00:06:30,333 Speaker 2: cameras and the lights and all of that stuff. You've 124 00:06:30,333 --> 00:06:31,933 Speaker 2: got to be there, you've got to film and telly 125 00:06:32,013 --> 00:06:37,173 Speaker 2: and unlike other media forms, it's just preposterously expensive. And 126 00:06:37,213 --> 00:06:38,773 Speaker 2: so they're always saying, are we going to make our 127 00:06:38,813 --> 00:06:39,893 Speaker 2: money back? Sadly? 128 00:06:40,213 --> 00:06:43,613 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well that's right. So that's probably why they 129 00:06:43,653 --> 00:06:47,653 Speaker 3: go for programs that have already succeeded somewhere else. Although 130 00:06:47,733 --> 00:06:51,253 Speaker 3: to be very expensive or even so to make say 131 00:06:51,333 --> 00:06:53,813 Speaker 3: grand designs New Zeron. Yeah, I would have thought that 132 00:06:53,853 --> 00:06:57,493 Speaker 3: would still be a very expensive program to make. I 133 00:06:57,693 --> 00:07:00,093 Speaker 3: just say, why don't we look at Grand Designs written 134 00:07:00,133 --> 00:07:02,933 Speaker 3: and say, yes, you can make it a successful show out 135 00:07:02,933 --> 00:07:05,373 Speaker 3: of architecture and go out and make our own one. 136 00:07:05,533 --> 00:07:07,653 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I totally agree. Actually, do you know, I've 137 00:07:07,693 --> 00:07:09,293 Speaker 2: seen a couple of great shows. I mean, I love 138 00:07:09,333 --> 00:07:12,333 Speaker 2: Grand Designs honestly not my favorite shows, so don't get 139 00:07:12,333 --> 00:07:14,933 Speaker 2: me wrong there. But the company that make Grand Designs 140 00:07:14,973 --> 00:07:18,093 Speaker 2: also made the show called Designing Dreams. And if you're 141 00:07:18,093 --> 00:07:21,573 Speaker 2: into if you're into architecture and you're into design, I 142 00:07:21,613 --> 00:07:24,093 Speaker 2: strongly recommend you go and watch Designing Dreams. So it's 143 00:07:24,093 --> 00:07:27,053 Speaker 2: on it's on Neon, and it's hosted by matthew Ridge, 144 00:07:27,053 --> 00:07:29,013 Speaker 2: and you might go hang on a second matthew Ridge. 145 00:07:29,133 --> 00:07:32,733 Speaker 2: But matthew Ridge does an extraordinary job because he doesn't 146 00:07:32,733 --> 00:07:35,013 Speaker 2: intend to know everything, so he just goes in and 147 00:07:35,053 --> 00:07:37,333 Speaker 2: the concept of the show is that they go around 148 00:07:37,413 --> 00:07:39,693 Speaker 2: with the New Zealand architect and he gets the architect 149 00:07:39,733 --> 00:07:42,253 Speaker 2: to introduce him to some of their work and then 150 00:07:42,333 --> 00:07:45,653 Speaker 2: to show him their three favorite New Zealand houses by 151 00:07:45,693 --> 00:07:48,413 Speaker 2: other designers. And so there goes and visit those, so 152 00:07:48,453 --> 00:07:50,173 Speaker 2: there you go. Designing Dreams is my pick for you 153 00:07:50,253 --> 00:07:53,333 Speaker 2: this weekend, Kevin. That is fantastic New Zealand concept. 154 00:07:53,933 --> 00:07:55,053 Speaker 3: Thank you fantastic. 155 00:07:55,173 --> 00:07:57,813 Speaker 2: Thank you for your time this morning, Kevin, and thank 156 00:07:57,853 --> 00:08:00,333 Speaker 2: you for your feedback this morning. Jack says Mars, as 157 00:08:00,333 --> 00:08:02,533 Speaker 2: soon as you mentioned long division, my heart rate went up. 158 00:08:02,573 --> 00:08:05,293 Speaker 2: I broke out. Nicole sweat. Yeah, You're probably not the 159 00:08:05,333 --> 00:08:06,333 Speaker 2: only one there, sorry, Marz. 160 00:08:06,933 --> 00:08:10,053 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live 161 00:08:10,133 --> 00:08:13,453 Speaker 1: to Newstalks EDB from nine am Saturday, or follow the 162 00:08:13,493 --> 00:08:14,933 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio.