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Speaker 1: Now Murray Ward's debate isn't over. Partners and law. City

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Speaker 1: Council voted to keep them, which means they will have

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Speaker 1: to put it to a referendum under the new law

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Speaker 1: next year. But in the meantime they're calling them the lawyers.

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Speaker 1: They want to know what would happen if the city

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Speaker 1: doesn't hold the required vote. Constitutional law expert Graham Michel

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Speaker 1: is with us on this Graham Morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: Law's the law, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: So that solves that one, doesn't it. They are whatever

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Speaker 1: they do in the ensuing period of time, they can

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Speaker 1: ask whoever they want. They am not going to get

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Speaker 1: around it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're not lawyer. Sometimes it's an interesting question,

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Speaker 2: like what happens if we don't do this? You know,

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Speaker 2: what happens if we don't upgrade this? Yeah in ath

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Speaker 2: great crime building or something, you know, do we have

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Speaker 2: to leave? The answer is, you know what in this

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Speaker 2: particular case, like if they really like they tell someone,

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Speaker 2: don't do this. You know, we're supposed to have it.

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Speaker 2: The law says we have to have it, and they

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Speaker 2: just don't, then someone's going to make them. It's going

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Speaker 2: to be a High Court judge with an injunction, or

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a minister of the Crown saying Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to point a limited statutory manager to make

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Speaker 2: the decision for you because you're not making it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: those the two.

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Speaker 1: Would they understand that in making the statement they've made

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Speaker 1: or are they just trying this on?

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Speaker 2: Well they might, but you know they're not lawyers. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's a relatively new yorw what happens? Like that's a

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Speaker 2: reasonable question to ask, Like they made that the law

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Speaker 2: said you have to make a decision before this date.

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Speaker 2: They've done that because their lawyers told them you have

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Speaker 2: to do that, and that, oh what happens if this

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Speaker 2: doesn't happen? And yeah, what happens? You know, it's not

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Speaker 2: an unreasonable question to ask, you know, you know, I

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Speaker 2: could have saved them a bit of money. They could

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Speaker 2: have called me out and I told them what I'm

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Speaker 2: telling you now, and the law says they have to

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Speaker 2: So they're going to one way or the other.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic, So they couldn't go down I'm just going hypothetical. Now,

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Speaker 1: could they go down? An individual case saying our district

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Speaker 1: is so unique, so different, so special, I'm thinking, particularly

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Speaker 1: like Northland, that this, you know, we can argue a

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Speaker 1: case in front of a you know, sympathetic judge, we

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Speaker 1: might be able to get out of it or forget it.

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Speaker 2: But unless the law changes, you know, someone is going

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Speaker 2: to make them do this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, simple as that. You can't argue with that, Graham,

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Speaker 1: Well done, Graham, Angela. You see how they see the

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Speaker 1: value of this program, Like I mean, all the counsels

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Speaker 1: listening to this, you know, save yourself the money, save

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Speaker 1: yourself the time, forget it.

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