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Speaker 2: Hello you great New Zealander, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Ful Show Podcast number two oh nine for the

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Speaker 2: nineteenth of September twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Ah.

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Speaker 2: We always try and remember the subject we didn't get to,

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Speaker 2: and I think that was whether you should tell a

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Speaker 2: woman that she looks beautiful or not.

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Speaker 4: After Trump has said that.

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Speaker 2: He thought Kate Middleton looked beautiful when he was wi

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Speaker 2: he was talking to us, so it was gonna be chatting. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: he didn't get to that. We've got lots of text

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Speaker 2: on it, but the the other topics absolutely blew the

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Speaker 2: coop up. So we Yeah, sometimes the show just gets

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Speaker 2: some momentum and you can't stop it.

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Speaker 5: You know the old Jimmy Kimmel yep, whoo yep.

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Speaker 2: It's like you're standing in front of a dam and

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Speaker 2: there's like bits of water blasting through on every angle

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Speaker 2: and you eventually get washed away by the texts.

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Speaker 5: By writing a bucking bronco of course got to hold

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Speaker 5: on Ford life and make it through, and we definitely

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So to mix those two metaphors. That's why we

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Speaker 2: didn't get to that subject. But I think you'll enjoy

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Speaker 2: the show. So many great calls.

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Speaker 5: Loved it, so download, subscribe, give us a review.

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Speaker 2: And look, we're not going to be here for another

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Speaker 2: This is our last show for a week or so.

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Speaker 2: We're on holidays, so until then, have a great time,

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Speaker 2: give a taste a Kiwi, some busy so let you

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 5: Talk said the afternoon to you, Welcome into Friday, end

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Speaker 5: of the week for many of us. Hope you're having

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Speaker 5: a great day with Eavy. You're listening in this beautiful

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Speaker 5: country of ours, Gida.

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Speaker 2: Matts, get A Tyler, good you Great New Zealand.

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Speaker 5: To thank for tuning into our show.

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Speaker 2: We've got a great Friday afternoon of entertainment and deep

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Speaker 2: discussion for you. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine

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Speaker 2: two nine two is the text number looking forward to

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Speaker 2: talking to a bunch of you.

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Speaker 5: Yep, it's going to be a great show. Now, just

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Speaker 5: before we get to what's on the show today. Remember

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Speaker 5: a couple of weeks ago, I put it out to

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Speaker 5: our beautiful listeners and our wise listeners about whether I

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Speaker 5: should hire a professional moving outfit because we're moving this weekend.

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Speaker 5: So I took all of that advice, and most people

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Speaker 5: were saying, don't be an idiot, just hire some professionals

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Speaker 5: and get it done. I didn't listen to any of

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Speaker 5: that advice. I've hired a little mini truck from Higher Race.

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Speaker 5: I pick it up tomorrow at eight thirty, and I'm

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Speaker 5: going to try and wing it. But I've got to say, mate,

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Speaker 5: you know, I thought, no, I can do it myself.

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Speaker 5: And it was a couple of hundred bucks, and that's

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Speaker 5: good value. And now I'm getting closer to go time,

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Speaker 5: I'm thinking of stuffed up here. Well, I have stuffed up.

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Speaker 2: Two points on this tyler. Firstly, don't use your back

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Speaker 2: like a crane.

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Speaker 4: Can you take that back all right?

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Speaker 5: Yep?

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Speaker 2: You know, as a guy out my stretches, a guy

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Speaker 2: I'm very very careful about backs.

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Speaker 2: So they're using your back like a crane, as precious

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Speaker 2: McKenzie said, good advice. Secondly, may if you're a wonderful partner.

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Speaker 2: She wanted to get their people in right, Yeah she

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Speaker 2: did so, by right, she doesn't have to help. She

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Speaker 2: doesn't have to help you because she said, hi someone. Yep,

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Speaker 2: So it's just you, right, it's just you doing it.

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Speaker 2: Have you got any mates that are willing to come

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Speaker 5: So I think you're right. And this is where I've

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Speaker 5: how am I going to drag the couch up? Because

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Speaker 4: So what's the heaviest thing. You've got? A fridge?

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Speaker 4: Fridge is always a difficult one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, fridge is gonna I've got I actually had to

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Speaker 5: It's costing way too much. I had to buy one

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Speaker 5: of those trolleys, so that was about eighty bucks, one

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Speaker 5: of those little mover trolleys. Yea, and you only use

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Speaker 4: No, I don't know. Have you got room to store

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you're tooling up.

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's any problem with that. And you know, when.

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Speaker 2: This, this whole show, you know, gets canceled an off

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Speaker 2: here for something shocking, you say, then you might need

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Speaker 2: but look, good luck. Can I just say to you now,

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Speaker 2: you know, I love you like a.

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Speaker 4: Brother, but I will not be coming help tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: No, No, you made that pretty clearcause I was about

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Speaker 5: to say, you know, what are you doing tomorrow about?

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Speaker 5: You made that pretty clear. Say, hey, look love you.

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Speaker 4: I'll I'll be in well, let's be honest, I'll be

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Speaker 4: in Fiji.

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Speaker 5: Yeah you're lucky. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. But I'll let

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Speaker 5: you know how it goes when we return. But anyway

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Speaker 5: to today's show, because it is a Friday after three

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Speaker 5: o'clock New Zealander of the week's massive potentials this week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hasn't been locked in yet, so nine two nine two,

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Speaker 2: who do you think has had an outsized effect on

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Speaker 4: We'd love to hear from you.

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Speaker 5: Also, we want to even chat about some controversy you're

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Speaker 5: Trump's visit. It all worked out pretty well overall, seems

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Speaker 5: like a very successful trip. He met with King Charles

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Is that appropriate? People are getting angry because they say

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Speaker 2: it's Trump and they just hate Trump and anything he does.

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Speaker 2: They're looking for something or they think it's a general

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Speaker 2: that she looks beautiful. She's not in front of me,

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Speaker 2: so I can say categorically objectively, Kate Middleton is a beautiful, beautiful,

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Speaker 5: I would say yep.

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Speaker 4: And I once slept in a bed that she's lept in,

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Speaker 2: I was staying at a place and then they told

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Speaker 5: Yeah, are right, you lucky man.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, that's by the buye. But the question is,

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Speaker 4: Partner. You haven't met them before. Can you say they

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Speaker 4: look beautiful? That is that appropriate?

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Speaker 5: Interesting one? That one well in the workplace as well.

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Speaker 4: What is the etiquette?

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Speaker 5: Yes, what is the etiquette? Where're looking forward to your

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Speaker 5: thoughts on that after three o'clock, after two o'clock, where

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Speaker 5: you'll glance at expiry dates, at least most of us

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Speaker 5: do before eating or buying food. But do you really

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Speaker 5: How far would you push the old expiry date for

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Speaker 2: Expiring dates are for the week best before, so pretty

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Speaker 2: Just back yourself smell test and go for it. And

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Speaker 2: even if it smells bad. That's why spices were were

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Speaker 2: invented to cover up the bad smell. It's more disrespectful

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Speaker 2: that to the very absolute limit. It should You should

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Speaker 2: see it as a mark of strength. How much after

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Speaker 5: Yeap, that is going to be a spicy chat after

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Speaker 5: cancel culture. So, Jimmy Kimmel, as we know, he's been

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Speaker 5: this is cancel culture. The network pulled the plug after

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Speaker 5: Kimmel's controversial comments on Charlie Kirk's shooting after pressure from affiliates,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, so cancel culture. It's largely been the well

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Speaker 2: in recent years, it's been seen as a move from

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Speaker 2: been definitely trying to cancel her. She wasn't allowed on

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Speaker 2: I was talking before about Ellen DeGeneres. She was canceled

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Speaker 2: for being slightly mean to people, and she was even

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Speaker 2: on the left. But people said, you can't be mean.

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Speaker 2: You can't, and that is I'm on the record to

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Speaker 2: say that is the weakest, weakest cancelation.

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Speaker 4: Of all time. Ellen de Generes, she was slightly rude

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Speaker 5: They turned on her fast, very fast.

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Speaker 4: I mean she's financially phine.

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Speaker 2: But now with the likes of Jimmy Kimmel as well

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Speaker 2: as lots of people who celebrated Charlie Kirk's death online

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Speaker 2: or as Kimmel being fired more of a financial thing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he'd lost seventy two percent of his audience

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Speaker 2: then you become more of a problem. Then then you know,

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Speaker 2: you also become another level of problem to them. Isn't

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Speaker 2: that just what what happens? You know that the executives

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Speaker 2: show that's losing us money. And as people have pointed out,

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Speaker 2: the affiliates pulled out. So a bunch of people pulled out,

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Speaker 2: so we don't want to be involved it anymore. And

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Speaker 2: they're they're they're like, the show's just.

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Speaker 4: Not viable anymore. I've only suspended and he might be back.

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Speaker 2: But you know, companies have the right, don't they to to?

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Speaker 4: How would I put this?

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Speaker 2: There is also the issue of companies, not one who

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Speaker 7: Do you do you?

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Speaker 9: Down a lot of your friend Charlie Kirk may sir, personally,

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Speaker 9: And by the way, right there, you see all the trucks.

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Speaker 8: He's at the fourth stage of grief, construction.

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Speaker 8: He starts, Is it not how an adult grief's the

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Speaker 2: So pretty nasty comments you've got to say to question

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Speaker 4: But I don't know is that enough to get fired?

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Speaker 2: I personally think that those words aren't enough to get fired.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's an interesting one and we'd love to hear

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 5: Afternoon. It is twenty one past one and we're talking

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Speaker 5: about cancel culture. Is it cancel culture? What has happened

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Speaker 2: This is from a Tim Rocksborough. Well, cancel culture is

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Speaker 2: Charlie Chaplin had years of attempts of being canceled because

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Speaker 2: to Fox News and Co trying to cancel the Dixie

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if Tim Rocksbury's an NFL fan like

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Speaker 2: for now, Trump is trying to cancel everyone from Kimmel

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Speaker 2: and Colbert to Springsteen and beyond. Say but this text,

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Speaker 2: Graham says, there's a difference between cancel culture and consequence culture.

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Speaker 2: When the snowflakes at Messi University used the thugs veto

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Speaker 2: canceling you because they don't like what you say. Consquence

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Speaker 2: culture is what happened to Kimmel. People have been turning

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Speaker 2: so the show I got eighty six.

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Speaker 4: Bruce your thoughts.

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Speaker 7: Mate, You guys love your work mate, so thank you.

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Speaker 10: Look, I think I agree. You've got two arguments here.

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Speaker 10: You've got cancel culture and you've got the Jimmy Kimmel thing,

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Speaker 10: which I believe was the letter that you just said. There. Mate,

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Speaker 10: he's got done because he's not fun anymore than nobody

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Speaker 10: likes him, so he's losing the ratings. And most occupations

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Speaker 10: are performance based. If you can't do the job, you

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Speaker 10: I'm a free speecher from wayback, mate. We need to

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Speaker 10: stop the body snowflakes from you know not. My mother

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a ticks you're saying, I'm a Trump

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Speaker 2: and it's I if you go back to the free

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Speaker 4: Funny, so you can be really.

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Speaker 5: I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I just I don't I think people should be able

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Speaker 4: There is.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you're losing your company money, then then

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Speaker 2: because you have a right to say whatever you want

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Speaker 10: Exactly. I think there's half the problem now is the

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Speaker 10: old story is because you're not. You can't get rid

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Speaker 10: So people came up with more and more excusers rid

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Speaker 5: It's all bullshit for me, Bruce, for Yeah, yeah, Nope,

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Speaker 5: fair enough and a lot of people agree with you.

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Speaker 5: Thanks very much for giving us a buzz. Have a

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Speaker 5: nice weekkend can to hear your views as well. At

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Speaker 5: the sacking of Jimmy Kimmel is cancel culture or was

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Speaker 5: It is twenty five past one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, trying to find about how much he was getting paid.

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Speaker 2: I can see he had one point seventy seven million viewers.

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Speaker 5: It's not good.

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Speaker 4: You got to say he was on a shaky ground.

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Speaker 11: Sir John, keep back with us.

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Speaker 12: I think what you've seen over the last eighteen months

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Speaker 12: Straightened up after a miss it and hears it, but

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Speaker 11: Nicola Willison's of course, the Finance minister. Could we be

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Speaker 4: In the first three months of this year.

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Speaker 5: So we shouldn't overreact to a bad quarter.

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Speaker 10: We've got to keep playing the full game.

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Speaker 11: Back Monday from six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 5: Very good afternoon to you. So we're talking about Jimmy Kimmel,

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Speaker 5: the sacking of Wow, the indefinite suspension of Jimmy Kimmel,

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Speaker 5: whether that's canceled culture or just a nature of ratings decline. Oh,

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Speaker 5: one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 4: I'm American.

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Speaker 2: Grew up with my mom watching Johnny Carson's Tonight's show

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Speaker 2: I was fortunate to be an in turn on that

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Speaker 2: Colbert is such an assault on our American right to

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Speaker 2: free speech. Trump is the biggest embarrassment to a country

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Speaker 5: Elizabeth, thank you very much for that text.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting, though, because Johnny Carson has you know, you

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Speaker 2: As a late night host was to be political. But

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Speaker 2: Stephen Colbert never had any Republican guests on, any Democrats on,

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Speaker 2: And you're to say, Jimmy Kimmel, there's no doubt which

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Speaker 2: way he he.

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Speaker 4: Lent rue anyway.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Jason, what do you reckon?

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Speaker 13: Hey, guys, there's the going very good. I just I

444
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Speaker 13: was going to say my own point, but I'm just

445
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Speaker 13: talking about what rocksborgh said sort of his argument I

446
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Speaker 13: thought was a little bit of a straw man type argument,

447
00:20:11,253 --> 00:20:13,853
Speaker 13: bringing up that this cancel culture. You know, it was

448
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Speaker 13: initially done with the Conservatives about twenty years ago with

449
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Speaker 13: the Dixie Chicks. Well, yes, that did happen, but then

450
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Speaker 13: they were still able to tour, and they still made millions,

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Speaker 13: and they weren't silenced. But the cancel culture that was

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Speaker 13: around in the twenty ten's era, when it sort of

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Speaker 13: all started, you know, I guess bringing up old tweets

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Speaker 13: and old posts of people that would then make them

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Speaker 13: either lose their jobs or get backlisted from Hollywood and

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Speaker 13: that sort of thing, that was completely different. But I

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Speaker 13: guess my argument is with Jimmy Kimmel. I remember watching

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Speaker 13: it when it first was posted, I think by Jimmy's

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Speaker 13: account or something like that, but the joke was pretty

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Speaker 13: ill tasted, you know, and I don't even think it

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Speaker 13: was a week after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, and with

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Speaker 13: this cancel culture thing like that American was talking about that.

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Speaker 13: You know, Trump is you know, denying free speech and

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Speaker 13: getting people fired. This has nothing to do with Trump.

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Speaker 13: This is companies firing people after discovering what they've said

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Speaker 13: about Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 14: You know.

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Speaker 13: It's almost like society or the workers and bosses have

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Speaker 13: decided that it wasn't appropriate what the employee said and

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Speaker 13: and you know, fired them or or suspended them or whatever.

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Speaker 13: So it's completely different.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the saying that that is floating around

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Speaker 2: at the moment is you have freedom of speech, not

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Speaker 2: freedom of consequence. So the government isn't arresting you, but

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Speaker 2: you know, your employee might be, specially if you work

476
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Speaker 2: in a government department or you you know, you work

477
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Speaker 2: in a customer facing job and it's clear that you

478
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Speaker 2: have these views that are so repulsive to half the country,

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Speaker 2: then then your your business might go. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: this isn't great for my bottom line, and so maybe

481
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Speaker 2: that's your consequence, but it still means that you you

482
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Speaker 2: can go somewhere else, and you can get a job

483
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Speaker 2: somewhere else. But my thing with this whole it's kind

484
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Speaker 2: of better though, don't you agree, Jason?

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Speaker 4: If say, you found what.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel said was cruel and untrue, and you know,

487
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Speaker 2: mocking someone's grief isn't very tasteful, but to just point

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Speaker 2: that out and and let him continue, it's kind of

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Speaker 2: more powerful, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not talking about the company, I'm talking

492
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Speaker 2: about the people that are outraged. So if you're if you,

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Speaker 2: if you a free speech absolutist, you go he said this,

494
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Speaker 2: he's disgusting, but not actually push to have him fired,

495
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Speaker 2: just push for people to see what he said and

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Speaker 2: put your counter argument to it.

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Speaker 4: Did you kind of see what I'm.

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Speaker 13: Saying, Jason, Yeah, I see, I see evacuated saying. I

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Speaker 13: think I think maybe when I first graduated high school

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Speaker 13: and you and you and you did say that, I'll

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Speaker 13: probably say yes, and I honestly fully agree with you

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Speaker 13: in the terms have been an advocate for free beach.

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Speaker 13: Maybe what's happened as I've grown older, I've become a

504
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Speaker 13: little bit more bitter with you know, people being fired

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Speaker 13: over ridiculous things, and people and normal jobs just being fired.

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Speaker 13: You know, someone who's I don't know, working at an

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Speaker 13: office job, you know, being fired over a tweet that

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Speaker 13: they've done or something that they've said that wasn't appropriate

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Speaker 13: in the workspace.

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Speaker 4: You know, and they got fired.

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Speaker 13: So is it fear that he would be able to

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Speaker 13: continue for what he said and potentially potentially no, you know,

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Speaker 13: maybe he should have. Maybe I think, yeah, he probably

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Speaker 13: should have kept working. But if we're true for a

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Speaker 13: double standard like Trump getting taken off Twitter, for example,

516
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Speaker 13: I think that was around what before Elon had brought it.

517
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Speaker 13: He was taken off Twitter completely, he was silent, and

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Speaker 13: people celebrated that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but what happens to me, what happens in this

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Speaker 5: situation To pick up on your point as well man

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Speaker 5: in Jason ken on your view is that Jimmy gets suspended.

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Speaker 5: He might not ever come back, but he's still got

523
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Speaker 5: support on the left, so he might pick up something online,

524
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Speaker 5: start his own show. He's still got their base support.

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Speaker 5: But this idea of division that is getting worse around

526
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Speaker 5: the world continues to get to continues to widen. So

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Speaker 5: by having voices we disagree with on mainstream places that

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Speaker 5: tend to appeal to most people, try and hold that

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Speaker 5: middle ground I think is a good thing. Even if

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Speaker 5: you find that to stay ful you disagree with them,

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Speaker 5: to push these voices back into their corners, I don't

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Speaker 5: think that is good for you know, wider debates around

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Speaker 5: free speech and free expression and debate, fair debate.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I fully agree. I think it should be an

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Speaker 13: open point to debate. And that's what you know Charlie

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Speaker 13: Cook was trying to do. He's trying to talk to

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Speaker 13: people and probably platform people who would never be able

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Speaker 13: to be heard by anyone and certainly someone around the

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Speaker 13: world can listen to a point that a university student

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Speaker 13: is talking about. So I think the day that Charlie

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Speaker 13: Cook was assassinate was a pretty dark day for everyone

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Speaker 13: because now free speech was under threat. You know, you

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Speaker 13: might get shot for something you just want to say,

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Speaker 13: and applauding someone being assassinated, that's when I thought, That's

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Speaker 13: when I thought it was a bit of ill taste

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Speaker 13: from my point of view.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for you call, Jason, and

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Speaker 2: not wanting to silence you, but we've got heads coming

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Speaker 2: in that we have to have to play.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they pay our salary and that's important for up

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Speaker 5: for me anyway. But thank you so much for your

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Speaker 5: call and your opinion. Really appreciate your great call. Our

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Speaker 5: headline's coming up. It is twenty five to two.

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much, Wendy, and we are talking about

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Speaker 5: Jimmy Kimmel being suspended over in America. Some are calling

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Speaker 5: it cancel culture. Is that true? Love you your thoughts?

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Speaker 2: So the six is I think it's a little naive

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Speaker 2: for you to say statements that you support the right

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Speaker 2: for anyone to say whatever they like when wherever they are.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps you're a here to expand on that. I think

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Speaker 2: I did sort of maybe mumbled it off. But you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, direct incitement to violence or crime, no, you know,

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Speaker 2: libel and slander yep, no threats, harassment, you know, and

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Speaker 2: if you if your free speech breaks laws, you know,

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Speaker 2: obviously disgusting things like you know, forms of pornography that

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Speaker 2: banned all that kind of stuff, you know, and then

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Speaker 2: there's court related restriction. So yeah, I think anyone would

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Speaker 2: know what I meant, you know, and we know we

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Speaker 2: know that there's there We know that Jimmy Kimmel didn't

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Speaker 2: go past those things.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and those things you mentioned, I think in New

590
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Speaker 5: Zealand anyway, there's some pretty strong legislation that addresses those

591
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Speaker 5: exact things.

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Speaker 2: It's not cancel culture, it's consequences culture. Free speech comes

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Speaker 2: with consequences. And the left cheering someone's death discussed me

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Speaker 2: who wants to employ a psycho who celebrates someone's death?

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Speaker 2: The b Kime Brigade are getting exposed for who they really.

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Speaker 5: Are, And this one says, I think thin skinned Republicans

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Speaker 5: need to stop being so soft.

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Speaker 4: It's so firing people up. I love it.

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Speaker 2: The texts of flying through on nine two nine two,

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Speaker 2: but taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: If you can't get through, keep trying.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, full boards at the moment, but keep trying. Coming up,

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Speaker 5: we are going to have a chat to Nathan Sioulei.

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Speaker 5: He is involved in Pillar and the Free Speech New

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Speaker 5: Zealand Unions, so really interested to see what he's got

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Speaker 5: to say about this whole thing that is coming up.

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Speaker 5: It's twenty to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you is your afternoon rolls

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Speaker 1: on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk.

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Speaker 5: Sa'd be afternoon to you. It is seventeen to two.

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Speaker 5: So we've been talking about cancel culture in the life

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Speaker 5: of Jimmy Kimmel bean suspended. Is that cancel culture or

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Speaker 5: just the nature of declining ratings. On the line right

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Speaker 5: now is Nathan siule He is with PILLAR that is

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Speaker 5: protecting individual life, liberty and rights. It's associated with the

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Speaker 5: Free Speech Union and he joins us now Nathan, good afternoon.

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Speaker 16: Good afternoon, gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: Now, Nathan, you obviously support free speech, but what are

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Speaker 2: the parameters, I mean, what are the parameters of free speech?

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Speaker 2: What should people be allowed to say and not say?

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Speaker 2: In your opinion?

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Speaker 16: Nathan, Yeah, that's a really good question. Ultimately, there is

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Speaker 16: a very high threshold, especially here in New Zealand, where

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Speaker 16: incitement to violence is effectively the limitation. Now it's violence

625
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Speaker 16: is a very clear definition, and the law has to

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Speaker 16: be imminent, possible and prescriptive. But speech should be defined

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Speaker 16: and determined in terms of what is good, bad, right,

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Speaker 16: wrong by the marketplace of ideas and not regulators and

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Speaker 16: affiliates who can pick our speech and what's on our earways.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So.

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Speaker 2: I mean this is slightly this is probably a slightly

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Speaker 2: complex gray area question. But what do you find define

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Speaker 2: as cancelation? And is cancelation an attack on free speech?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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Speaker 16: I think the response to speech you don't like isn't

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Speaker 16: to cancel it. It should be to challenge. It should

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Speaker 16: be to have a broader, more in depth conversation where

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Speaker 16: it's public and visible and people can participate. When we

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Speaker 16: force these people back into their corners, I think it

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Speaker 16: was you saying that just earlier, Tyler, they don't stop

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Speaker 16: holding these views. In fact, they actually grow more sort

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Speaker 16: of into these views, and they build a following and

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Speaker 16: it can become a lot more. Then if we have

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Speaker 16: an outright open conversation celebrating debate and hosting debate because

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Speaker 16: disagreement is actually part of free speech. Cancelation is only

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Speaker 16: going to do detrimental things to an open society and

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Speaker 16: a free society that they're honors speech.

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Speaker 2: What about the rights of a corporation when they're losing

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Speaker 2: money over what one of their employees is saying and

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Speaker 2: they get rid of that employee or silence them. Where

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Speaker 2: does that sit in their discussion of free speech.

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Speaker 16: Well, that's an entirely different category, right. Obviously, when you

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Speaker 16: work for someone, you're under their employee and you are

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Speaker 16: subjects to a degree to their will in their way. However,

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Speaker 16: being pressured publicly and externally by cancel culture and culture

656
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Speaker 16: warriors and then bowing to that does not set it

657
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Speaker 16: a good president for anybody in any employment anywhere. So

658
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Speaker 16: we need to be really really careful about is this

659
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Speaker 16: a speech issue or is this purely a performance issue

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Speaker 16: and make sure that that is what is being presented.

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Speaker 5: When it comes to cancel culture. Is it fear to

662
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Speaker 5: say it comes from both sides of political ideology, and

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Speaker 5: is there just that inherent nature of almost a revenge

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Speaker 5: element when it comes to tribes or groups jumping on

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Speaker 5: particular people who they don't like what Love said.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I would say.

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Speaker 9: So.

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Speaker 16: What I've observed over the last few years of being

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Speaker 16: a free speech advocate and defender is that people will

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Speaker 16: often be principal lists and issue based defenders, and it

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Speaker 16: comes from both sides. Is so right, But using the

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Speaker 16: same tactics and the same tools of those people that

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Speaker 16: you disagree with to try and inflict the same undemocratic

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Speaker 16: and punishment that is undue in a civil society, it

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Speaker 16: never works out for anyone because you, just like I said,

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Speaker 16: you further entrenched the other side. And this when the

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Speaker 16: pendulum swings, which it always does, it comes back ten

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Speaker 16: times more toxic.

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Speaker 2: So there's sort of another aspect of this, especially in

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Speaker 2: the case we're talking about, what about indirect restrictions on

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Speaker 2: free speech, Like when powerful people push and call for

682
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Speaker 2: you to lose your job, may not direct the law

683
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Speaker 2: against you as such, but still create a climate due

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Speaker 2: to their power and their influence where your rights are restricted.

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Speaker 16: Well, you're right, and that's probably what we need to

686
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Speaker 16: step back and look at. This isn't just about Jimmy

687
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Speaker 16: kimol suppression. This is about who gets to decide what

688
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Speaker 16: is and isn't allowed. Is it the marketplace of ideas

689
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Speaker 16: or is it people in power, people in positions who

690
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Speaker 16: have the ability to pressure, whether it be through financial

691
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Speaker 16: manipulation or just through exercising the influence this it's a

692
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Speaker 16: really dangerous precedent and a chilling effect for any host

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Speaker 16: or journalist in any industry in the media. And if

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Speaker 16: we have a media that is beholden to investors and

695
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Speaker 16: to political sort of ideology, we don't have a free media.

696
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Speaker 16: We've lost the power of the media to hold power

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Speaker 16: to account because now power dictates what that media can

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Speaker 16: and can't say through force.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so as this is probably a truism, but

700
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Speaker 2: is the real test of how much you believe in

701
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Speaker 2: free speech, how much you support it when it is

702
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Speaker 2: a free speech that yeah, so, how am I saying this?

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Speaker 2: The real test for spe free speech is basically, when

704
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Speaker 2: it's against you, you support it, and when it's for

705
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Speaker 2: you, you support it. If you see what I'm saying, you

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Speaker 2: know and exactly no, you go sorry.

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Speaker 16: I would say free speech only matters when it protects

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Speaker 16: speech you don't like. Yeah, yeah, It's not about what

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Speaker 16: you're willing to endorse, It's about what you're willing to

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Speaker 16: allow other people to do within the legitimacy of their

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Speaker 16: own freedom. If we all just cancel, cancel, cancel, what

712
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Speaker 16: actually ends up happening is there's no opportunity to progress

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Speaker 16: things like information, understanding, knowledge. We need a society that

714
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Speaker 16: can handle disagreement and debate. You don't have to agree

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Speaker 16: with what someone says, but you have to be willing

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Speaker 16: to challenge them openly and at least express your ideas.

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Speaker 16: You can't just call them a horrible person, spit on them,

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Speaker 16: and walk away. Make your case, let the marketplace of

719
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Speaker 16: ideas decide who is right, and at the end of

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Speaker 16: the day you can agree to disagree, or you might

721
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Speaker 16: have learned something, or you might have convinced someone to

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Speaker 16: join your side.

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Speaker 5: Really interesting discussion, Nathan, Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 5: Really great to chat. We'll get you on another time.

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Speaker 4: Cool. Thanks so much, guys.

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Speaker 2: It's it's interesting one because this one sits in the

727
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Speaker 2: gray area with Jimmy Kimmel, because I don't think he.

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Speaker 4: Deserves loser his job for what he said.

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Speaker 2: I totally believe people should say offensive things. I think

730
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Speaker 2: what he said was cruel, and but sometimes comedy is cruel.

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Speaker 2: I totally support that. I've said terrible things in my time,

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Speaker 2: But equally I support the right of a company to

733
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Speaker 2: not keep losing money because their host that they're paying

734
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Speaker 2: sixteen million dollars a year keeps grandstanding and has lost.

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Speaker 4: Seventy two percent of his audience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they don't want to lose more money on it.

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Speaker 2: So it's not a charity. You're right, Like all these issues,

738
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Speaker 2: it's it's such such a complicated one and.

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Speaker 5: That's why we love it and keen to get your views.

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Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number.

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Speaker 5: Call nineteen ninet two is a text number. It's eleven

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Speaker 5: to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heathen Tylor Adams afternoons.

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Speaker 5: News DOGSB, News DOGSB. It is eight to two. We're

746
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Speaker 5: talking about Jimmy Kimmel, whether that's canceled culture or a

747
00:35:04,973 --> 00:35:09,613
Speaker 5: natural consequence of declining ratings and in a appropriate comments.

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Speaker 2: Guys, what come Ol clearly said was that Charlie Kirk

749
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Speaker 2: was a Republican, that Charlie Kirk was killed by a Republican,

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Speaker 2: killed by his own it's false. That was why he

751
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Speaker 2: lost his job. He was canceled. He wasn't canceled. He

752
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Speaker 2: was taken off air as he was inciting violence. Paul, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm not.

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Speaker 4: Sure about that.

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Speaker 2: I think it's classically sits in a very strange gray area.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but to me that was the more egregious. I

757
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Speaker 5: think that in my view that the joke about Trump,

758
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Speaker 5: as you say, distasteful, but he might have got away

759
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Speaker 5: with that. It was that statement there which he ushered

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Speaker 5: as fact, which is categorically untrue, And think is where

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Speaker 5: the trouble was.

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Speaker 2: And I think the pushback against him is that at

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Speaker 2: that point he either knew it wasn't true or didn't

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Speaker 2: have the information to say that was true. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: should he be taken off ear for that or should

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Speaker 2: you just use that an example and put up and

767
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Speaker 2: put your argument against it and say, look, look this

768
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Speaker 2: is what the kind of person this is. This isn't

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Speaker 2: a nice person, this isn't a fair person, this isn't

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Speaker 2: a truthful person.

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Speaker 4: And fight back that way.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Having said that, it's there is an argument that he

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Speaker 2: hasn't actually been canceled in that regard. It's a financial

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Speaker 2: decision from the companies.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Keith, what's your thoughts on this? Hey, Keith,

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Speaker 5: Keith A you're there, Keith, yay, Keith Hello, yea.

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Speaker 4: He is worried you'd be silenced, Keith.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, be canceled. I liked that previous text when it

780
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Speaker 17: talked about a thin skinned Republican, so I hope I'm

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Speaker 17: not one of those. But I went over to the

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Speaker 17: Unite the Kingdom rally over in London. I pacifically went.

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Speaker 17: I went last Friday and flew pack on the Monday,

784
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Speaker 17: so it was a real whirlwind too about free speech.

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Speaker 17: And just as I was packing my bags to go,

786
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Speaker 17: I got the news that Charlie had died, so that

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Speaker 17: made for an interesting trip.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I bet.

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Speaker 8: So.

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Speaker 17: My thoughts are about the cancel culture. I think it's

791
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Speaker 17: true that he broke his contract, and they probably used

792
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Speaker 17: it because he was losing ratings. But you guys signed

793
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Speaker 17: a contract and if you break it, well you know

794
00:37:23,733 --> 00:37:25,652
Speaker 17: you're not allowed to tell lies. I looked up the

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Speaker 17: FCC rules and the contract that Kimball signed, and you're

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Speaker 17: not allowed to knowingly lie about a fact of news.

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Speaker 17: And I think that's probably why he lost his job,

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Speaker 17: not just canceled but consequence.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I.

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Speaker 17: Agree with that.

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Speaker 2: So if we see what he actually said, so he

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Speaker 2: you know, I should actually bring it up exactly what

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Speaker 2: he said, because this is the problem with these kind

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Speaker 2: of things.

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Speaker 4: That you know, it comes down to just intention and words.

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Speaker 2: So what he said was that Mega are trying the

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Speaker 2: Mega crowd or the Mega Gang are trying to.

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Speaker 4: I need to bring it up. I headed up in

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Speaker 4: my screen before. Have you got it?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I got the quote here. So we've hit some new

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Speaker 5: loads over the weekend with the Mega Gang desperately trying

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Speaker 5: to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk is anything

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Speaker 5: other than one of them doing everything they can to

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Speaker 5: score political points from it.

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Speaker 2: So you know what he's insinuating there that he definitely was,

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Speaker 2: but he's not precisely saying that. So I can imagine

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Speaker 2: if this came down to a court around his contract whatever,

819
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Speaker 2: you could argue that he's having an opinion, but he's

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Speaker 2: not exactly explicitly saying that the shooter was a member

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Speaker 2: of a Mega supporter. You see what I'm saying, it's

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Speaker 2: I think it's I can see that the waters he's

823
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Speaker 2: swimming in, it's clear what he's trying to say, but

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Speaker 2: it's quite carefully wordedly.

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Speaker 17: Yes, yes, I think it is. But they gave him

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Speaker 17: a clear choice to issue an of apology, so he's

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Speaker 17: effectively doubled down on what he was saying. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 17: so yeah, I think I think he breaked the contract.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for your call, Keith. We're

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Speaker 2: going to should we keep this going. We've got so

831
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Speaker 2: many calls coming through and text the stuff, so let's

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Speaker 2: keep it going.

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Speaker 5: After to full boards. If you can't get through, keep trying.

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Speaker 5: Oh A one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 5: number to care. What do you think is this cancel culture,

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Speaker 5: Jimmy Kimmel's suspension, or just a natural consequence of declining ratings.

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon, It's Matt Heath and Taylor

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Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons News Talks.

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Speaker 5: It'd be very good afternoon to here. Welcome back into

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Speaker 5: the show. It's seven pass TI and we have been

841
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Speaker 5: talking about Jimmy Kimmel's sudden suspension from ABC. It has

842
00:39:42,973 --> 00:39:46,293
Speaker 5: reignited the debate around cancel culture, whether this is canceled

843
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Speaker 5: culture or whether it's just the natural consequence of declining ratings.

844
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Speaker 5: So if you haven't heard it, this is the monologue

845
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Speaker 5: that set all these events in motion.

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Speaker 8: We get some new lows over the weekend, with the

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Speaker 8: Maga Gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered

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Speaker 8: Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and

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Speaker 8: everything they can to score a political play from it.

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Speaker 8: In between the finger pointing, there was grieving. On Friday,

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Speaker 8: the White House flew the flags at half staff, which

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Speaker 8: got some criticism, But on a human level, you can

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Speaker 8: see how hard the President is taking this that adults

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Speaker 8: is out a lot of your.

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Speaker 12: Friend, Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 9: Sir personally, how are you holding up for the last

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Speaker 9: day and a half, sirved.

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Speaker 1: I think very good.

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Speaker 9: And by the way, right there you see all the trucks.

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Speaker 9: They've just started construction of the new ballroom for the

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Speaker 9: White House, which is something they've been trying to get,

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Speaker 9: as you know, for about one hundred and fifty years,

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Speaker 9: and it's going to be a beauty.

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Speaker 8: Yes, he's at the fourth stage of grief construction, a demolition.

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Speaker 4: Construction.

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Speaker 8: This is not how an adult griefs the murder of

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Speaker 8: somebody called a friend. This is how a four year

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Speaker 8: old mourns a goldfish.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I mean, what a nasty thing to say. This

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Speaker 2: isn't har an adult grieves. Who gets to tell someone

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Speaker 2: how they grieve?

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Speaker 4: I mean absolutely they can.

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Speaker 2: Free speech, you say, but doesn't say a lot about

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Speaker 2: a person that would say that. Donald Trump and Charlie Kirk,

875
00:41:14,693 --> 00:41:17,093
Speaker 2: whatever you think of either of them, were very close friends.

876
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Speaker 2: So it's like, in terms of a joke, it's pretty distasteful.

877
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Speaker 2: But is it worthy of losing your job?

878
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Speaker 5: Yeah? Well, just why I listen to that when you

879
00:41:28,293 --> 00:41:30,293
Speaker 5: put the show on the other foot. Can you imagine

880
00:41:30,333 --> 00:41:34,653
Speaker 5: any TV host doing the same to Obama or Biden

881
00:41:34,693 --> 00:41:36,653
Speaker 5: for that matter, that if there was a member of

882
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Speaker 5: the Democratic Party or associated with them and they'd been

883
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Speaker 5: assassinated and killed and murdered, that anybody on TV would

884
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Speaker 5: make a joke about the grief of Obama robot.

885
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess the thing is, you know, you

886
00:41:51,613 --> 00:41:53,613
Speaker 2: don't want to end up with what about is them?

887
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Speaker 2: If you believe in something like a principle of free speech,

888
00:41:56,573 --> 00:41:59,293
Speaker 2: then it gets tested when someone says something that you

889
00:41:59,333 --> 00:42:03,533
Speaker 2: don't like, and if someone says something horrible and it's

890
00:42:03,533 --> 00:42:05,533
Speaker 2: still within the parameters of the law, that we've pointed

891
00:42:05,573 --> 00:42:08,133
Speaker 2: out the things that you can't say, and I would

892
00:42:08,173 --> 00:42:11,292
Speaker 2: say that this sits within that category. I think there's

893
00:42:11,293 --> 00:42:13,293
Speaker 2: nothing illegal about what he said.

894
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Speaker 4: It's just quite horrible what he said.

895
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Speaker 2: Then you kind of got to support it. But the

896
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Speaker 2: other side of it, as what we keep saying, is

897
00:42:21,973 --> 00:42:25,013
Speaker 2: that a company has the right to not lose money

898
00:42:25,053 --> 00:42:28,973
Speaker 2: constantly because their host is grandstanding in a way that

899
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Speaker 2: loses them an audience. There was a rating where he

900
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Speaker 2: was down point to one point one million viewers across America,

901
00:42:35,333 --> 00:42:39,212
Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel, and he's getting paid sixteen million dollars a year.

902
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Speaker 2: And if you put this in context, One News in

903
00:42:41,893 --> 00:42:45,093
Speaker 2: New Zealand has six hundred and sixty thousand viewers. Sometimes

904
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Speaker 2: I I'm just picking that number, so over half what

905
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Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel had. I'm pretty sure Simon Dello isn't getting

906
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Speaker 2: paid eight million dollars a year.

907
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I can confirm that.

908
00:42:55,293 --> 00:42:59,653
Speaker 2: So a company has a right to not continually lose money.

909
00:43:00,173 --> 00:43:04,413
Speaker 2: And there seems a higher than zero chance that ABC

910
00:43:04,613 --> 00:43:07,053
Speaker 2: and Disney, who were above them, just looked at this

911
00:43:07,133 --> 00:43:10,333
Speaker 2: and went actually had enough. The affiliates are pulling out.

912
00:43:10,773 --> 00:43:13,893
Speaker 2: We just can't keep hemorrhaging money on this guy, and

913
00:43:14,053 --> 00:43:17,893
Speaker 2: it becomes less of a free speech issue and a

914
00:43:18,053 --> 00:43:21,133
Speaker 2: right for a company to choose who they employ in

915
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Speaker 2: the pursuit of making profits.

916
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's why they call it cut throat in

917
00:43:24,173 --> 00:43:26,172
Speaker 5: their business, because that's exactly what it is. If they're

918
00:43:26,213 --> 00:43:28,693
Speaker 5: losing money, you go no matter what you say. Oh,

919
00:43:28,733 --> 00:43:30,493
Speaker 5: one hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call,

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Speaker 5: love to hear your thoughts on it.

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Speaker 6: Though.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, kim will screw it up on ABC and

923
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Speaker 2: his employer rightly sacked. And the employer only values the

924
00:43:36,333 --> 00:43:38,933
Speaker 2: audience advert ratings. The jocks come and go and make

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Speaker 2: some money whilst in their window of popularity. Some for

926
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Speaker 2: any populist role nobody will remember come in a few weeks.

927
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Speaker 2: So lots of texts coming through, including this one. My

928
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Speaker 2: sister just took her dogs to the dog groom. It's

929
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Speaker 2: nice and I think that's a key issue as well.

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Speaker 5: That is a key issue. I'm really glad.

931
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Speaker 2: Maybe not meant for us, Yeah, but we're open to

932
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Speaker 2: any text you absolutely want to stand through. It isn't

933
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Speaker 2: the most you know, Jimmy Kimmel does run a pretty

934
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Speaker 2: harsh form of humor. So back in the COVID days,

935
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Speaker 2: for example, this is this is from a monologue back

936
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Speaker 2: in the depth of COVID.

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Speaker 8: Hospitals get any more of a crowded they're going to

938
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Speaker 8: have to make some very tough choices about who gets

939
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Speaker 8: an ACU back. And that choice doesn't seem so tough

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Speaker 8: to me. Vaccinated person having a heart attack, Yes, come

941
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Speaker 8: right on and we'll take care of you. Unvaccinated guy

942
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Speaker 8: who gobbled horse goou rest in peace, wheezy.

943
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Speaker 5: You're that's.

944
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Speaker 2: Yeah, full on, So rest in peace, wheezy because you

945
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Speaker 2: took a different type of medicine and didn't take the vaccine.

946
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Speaker 2: That's that seems nastier than what he said about Trump's grieving.

947
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that is very full on. But be to your point.

948
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Speaker 5: I mean, the whole idea of a show like Jimmy

949
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Speaker 5: Kimmel's is to get the biggest adien audience possible, of course,

950
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Speaker 5: on both sides of it. And when you get a

951
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Speaker 5: guy like that, and clearly he pushes the envelope, and

952
00:45:04,893 --> 00:45:07,533
Speaker 5: in certain circles of comedy, absolutely that's what you should do.

953
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Speaker 5: But on late like TV, where you're trying to attract

954
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Speaker 5: the most people possible. ABC will be looking at that

955
00:45:14,253 --> 00:45:17,133
Speaker 5: clip and also what he did over the the Charlie

956
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Speaker 5: Kirk comments and saying not worth it, well worth it.

957
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Speaker 2: With Stephen Colbert, who's not been canceled, but they're not

958
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Speaker 2: re you know, not renewing his contract. Right, he only

959
00:45:27,573 --> 00:45:29,893
Speaker 2: ever had Democrats on his show, and Jimmy kim Maloney

960
00:45:29,933 --> 00:45:33,933
Speaker 2: seems to joke politically in one way, which essentially means

961
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Speaker 2: you're going to lose a lot of your audience. But

962
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Speaker 2: this Texter says, boys do try to give your listeners

963
00:45:38,253 --> 00:45:41,893
Speaker 2: the full story and correct details. Kimmel's first reaction to

964
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Speaker 2: the estination assassination was to condemn it and express his

965
00:45:44,653 --> 00:45:47,533
Speaker 2: condolences to the family. The government was involved. The director

966
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Speaker 2: of the FCC threatened to nix the deal if they

967
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Speaker 2: didn't cancel. Kimmel he didn't mock Trump's grief. He mocked

968
00:45:54,253 --> 00:45:56,613
Speaker 2: the total lack of grief. No, he mocked Trump's grief

969
00:45:57,973 --> 00:46:00,573
Speaker 2: the other two short whatever, but that three he mocked.

970
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Speaker 2: He said, that is not how an adult griefs, That's

971
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Speaker 2: how a four year old griefs. If that's not mocking

972
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Speaker 2: someone's grief, then then you are I don't know what

973
00:46:09,293 --> 00:46:12,693
Speaker 2: is kill meat on Fox News advocating killing all homeless

974
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Speaker 2: didn't get fired.

975
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Speaker 4: That's from Steve. Thank you for your.

976
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Speaker 5: Points, Steve, Yeah, thank you very much.

977
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Speaker 6: Right.

978
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Speaker 5: Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

979
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Speaker 5: to call. It's fourteen pass two back in a moment, Wow.

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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons

981
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Speaker 1: call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News.

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Speaker 4: Talk sa'd be.

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Speaker 5: Sixteen past two. So was the suspension of Jimmy Kimmel

984
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Speaker 5: cancel culture or just a network of corporation protecting its

985
00:46:39,373 --> 00:46:40,732
Speaker 5: financial interests. What do you say?

986
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Speaker 2: Stan, Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on this hot topic.

987
00:46:44,493 --> 00:46:47,973
Speaker 2: The lines are running hot, this text flying in the door,

988
00:46:48,013 --> 00:46:50,053
Speaker 2: and scared my computer's going to explode with how many

989
00:46:50,053 --> 00:46:50,652
Speaker 2: texts are coming in.

990
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Speaker 4: What it's your take, Stan?

991
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Speaker 18: Yeah, Well, I think Jimmy Kimmel was deliberately deceptive and

992
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Speaker 18: intact lide. He would have known that all the evidence

993
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Speaker 18: regarding the Robinson the shrewder Tyler Riberdson wasn't pointed to

994
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Speaker 18: the pointed to the fact that he was definitely a

995
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Speaker 18: progressive liberal, if you want to call it that. He

996
00:47:18,893 --> 00:47:22,213
Speaker 18: was no way he was maga. So Kimerill basically left

997
00:47:22,453 --> 00:47:29,493
Speaker 18: the network open to lawsuit for deliberately smearing a class

998
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Speaker 18: of people by his through his line. But as far

999
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Speaker 18: as the whole canceled culture debate that's going on, I

1000
00:47:39,253 --> 00:47:42,333
Speaker 18: sort of see there's a lot of apples and oranges.

1001
00:47:42,373 --> 00:47:46,493
Speaker 18: I mean, Gina Carino, who was on the Mendalorian, she

1002
00:47:46,653 --> 00:47:50,773
Speaker 18: got basically canceled because she came out and supported Trump.

1003
00:47:52,893 --> 00:47:56,053
Speaker 18: Now we've got people who are getting canceled now today

1004
00:47:56,533 --> 00:48:01,093
Speaker 18: who is saying good job shooter. Who are you know, rejoicing,

1005
00:48:01,213 --> 00:48:06,453
Speaker 18: celebrating gleefully about the assassination of a free speech advocate

1006
00:48:07,493 --> 00:48:11,773
Speaker 18: and their employer is are getting backlash and their employers

1007
00:48:11,813 --> 00:48:15,173
Speaker 18: are saying, well, this is not what we stand for. Sorry,

1008
00:48:15,453 --> 00:48:16,653
Speaker 18: go find a job elsewhere.

1009
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Speaker 2: It's interesting with the Gena situation because this ultimately is

1010
00:48:20,293 --> 00:48:22,853
Speaker 2: the same company, Disney, and you know, we don't know

1011
00:48:22,853 --> 00:48:28,493
Speaker 2: what the number is, but she sued sued Disney after

1012
00:48:28,533 --> 00:48:31,772
Speaker 2: being fired from The Meda Laurian and then she took

1013
00:48:31,893 --> 00:48:35,973
Speaker 2: there's now a court sentiment, so it's it's it's interesting

1014
00:48:36,093 --> 00:48:38,692
Speaker 2: that that they I mean, this is maybe why they're

1015
00:48:38,693 --> 00:48:40,573
Speaker 2: suspending him and not firing him, if you know what

1016
00:48:40,613 --> 00:48:42,413
Speaker 2: I mean. I think they're a company that's just lost

1017
00:48:42,413 --> 00:48:44,293
Speaker 2: a lot of money on what they did to Gina,

1018
00:48:44,333 --> 00:48:46,293
Speaker 2: which I think people looking back now would say was

1019
00:48:46,413 --> 00:48:47,893
Speaker 2: entirely unfair.

1020
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Speaker 4: And that as well, Yeah, one.

1021
00:48:51,333 --> 00:48:54,013
Speaker 18: Hundred percent, that was unfair. But I like I say,

1022
00:48:54,013 --> 00:48:57,373
Speaker 18: it's apples and oranges. I mean, she never celebrated somebody's death.

1023
00:48:57,493 --> 00:49:02,013
Speaker 18: She had a political opinion, a free speech opinion that Okay,

1024
00:49:02,053 --> 00:49:06,093
Speaker 18: you don't like the party's supports, but that's that's quite

1025
00:49:06,133 --> 00:49:10,053
Speaker 18: different from celebrating somebody's assess and they because you don't like.

1026
00:49:10,373 --> 00:49:12,413
Speaker 2: Making sure and if you've said this, but I'm just

1027
00:49:12,413 --> 00:49:14,333
Speaker 2: because a bunch of texts are coming through, you're not

1028
00:49:14,413 --> 00:49:19,732
Speaker 2: saying that Jimmy Kimmel celebrated that Charlie Kirk's you're talking

1029
00:49:19,733 --> 00:49:21,893
Speaker 2: about the other people online that that that have done

1030
00:49:21,893 --> 00:49:23,773
Speaker 2: it and have lost their jobs, which has a different

1031
00:49:23,773 --> 00:49:24,253
Speaker 2: issue yet.

1032
00:49:24,733 --> 00:49:27,293
Speaker 18: Yeah, Kings of culture in general, as we're seeing it

1033
00:49:27,373 --> 00:49:32,252
Speaker 18: right now, the backlash against people who's celebrating the assassination

1034
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Speaker 18: of a free speech advocate, a father, a husband, to me,

1035
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Speaker 18: it's pretty despicable. Also, I've seen so many lives told

1036
00:49:39,773 --> 00:49:44,253
Speaker 18: about online it's just it's really sad that the state

1037
00:49:44,253 --> 00:49:45,813
Speaker 18: of society that we're living in.

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Speaker 5: But just on the genus situation, and I agree that,

1039
00:49:50,573 --> 00:49:52,173
Speaker 5: and it turned out for the company it was the

1040
00:49:52,213 --> 00:49:54,293
Speaker 5: wrong move because they had such a backlash. But isn't

1041
00:49:54,293 --> 00:49:57,293
Speaker 5: it similar that the company, the overall corporation might have

1042
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Speaker 5: looked at that and feared for the viewership of the

1043
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Speaker 5: Mandalorian and said, we've got so many people who are

1044
00:50:03,013 --> 00:50:06,652
Speaker 5: on the liberal side of ideology who watch our show,

1045
00:50:06,813 --> 00:50:09,013
Speaker 5: and they were worried that that was on a drop off,

1046
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Speaker 5: so they made the call to exit. Turned out that backfire.

1047
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Speaker 5: But I can have some sympathy for that argument from

1048
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Speaker 5: that corporation.

1049
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Speaker 18: Well, I don't know, I don't know if that would

1050
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Speaker 18: be statistically proven. See, I mean my biggest gripe with

1051
00:50:22,373 --> 00:50:24,652
Speaker 18: what Jimmy Kimmel said, I mean what he what he

1052
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Speaker 18: said about, you know, his making making fun of Trump.

1053
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Speaker 18: You know, I I think it was I mean, it's

1054
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Speaker 18: a little bit bad taste, But I have no problem

1055
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Speaker 18: with that per se. You know, Okay, he pokes, he

1056
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Speaker 18: pokes some fun out is his deliberate attempt at deception

1057
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Speaker 18: and trying to deceive this audiot into this is Mega.

1058
00:50:44,453 --> 00:50:47,333
Speaker 18: It's just Mega again. They're doing it. You know, Mega

1059
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Speaker 18: is responsible for the shooting.

1060
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Speaker 4: So I'll just read out exactly what he said.

1061
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Speaker 7: Stan.

1062
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Speaker 2: This is what Jimmy Kimmel said. We had some new

1063
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Speaker 2: lows over the weekend with the Mega Gang desperately trying

1064
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Speaker 2: to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything

1065
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Speaker 2: other than one of them, and with everything they can

1066
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Speaker 2: to score political points from it, which is which is

1067
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Speaker 2: the hypocrisy, And that is is clear because he's trying

1068
00:51:09,573 --> 00:51:14,413
Speaker 2: to score points off it, but he's he's definitely walking

1069
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Speaker 2: a line where it's hard to actually pin him down

1070
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Speaker 2: on it. We had some eulows of the weekend with

1071
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Speaker 2: the Mega Gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who

1072
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Speaker 2: murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them.

1073
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Speaker 18: And that's not opinion, though, is it. He's that's a statement.

1074
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Speaker 18: He said that as a statement of fact. So that's

1075
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Speaker 18: that's not well it seems to me or anything like that.

1076
00:51:35,173 --> 00:51:38,973
Speaker 18: It wasn't prefaced with anything that could be construed as opinion.

1077
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Speaker 18: He said that is a statement of fact, and that's

1078
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Speaker 18: that's that is where I think he's he stepped right

1079
00:51:45,653 --> 00:51:46,493
Speaker 18: over that line.

1080
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but do you think, let's just say, if let's

1081
00:51:51,493 --> 00:51:55,373
Speaker 2: take out of it the fact that that he's ratings

1082
00:51:55,413 --> 00:51:57,973
Speaker 2: have dropped seventy two percent in the key demographic, and

1083
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Speaker 2: he's hemorrhaging the money getting paid six million dollars sixteen

1084
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Speaker 2: million dollars a year, and isn't making that money back,

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Speaker 2: losing the money, and that maybe this is going to

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00:52:07,133 --> 00:52:09,172
Speaker 2: lose them even more money if we took that out

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Speaker 2: of it, would you support us right to say that

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00:52:12,653 --> 00:52:15,692
Speaker 2: as just a citizen, as a as a person on

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00:52:15,693 --> 00:52:19,573
Speaker 2: his own, would you support the right for him to say.

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Speaker 18: A private conversation. He can, he can say whatever he likes,

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00:52:23,493 --> 00:52:25,733
Speaker 18: but he didn't say it as in a private conversation.

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00:52:25,813 --> 00:52:27,413
Speaker 18: He said it to an audience of what a million

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00:52:27,653 --> 00:52:30,533
Speaker 18: plus people. I mean, it's like Donald Trump has won

1094
00:52:30,573 --> 00:52:34,773
Speaker 18: a few lawsuits because people have basically said things that

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00:52:34,813 --> 00:52:37,013
Speaker 18: have been patently untrue, and he's one. I think he's

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Speaker 18: this last latest one. I think it might be against

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Speaker 18: New York Times. He's asking he's going to suit them

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Speaker 18: for a billion dollars. I mean, so careful what you say,

1099
00:52:44,893 --> 00:52:47,692
Speaker 18: because it's not going to just cost you your job.

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Speaker 18: It could cost your employer a very large sum of money.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And now, I mean that's that's the question we're

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Speaker 5: asking stand And I think you're you've kind of and

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00:52:57,013 --> 00:52:58,893
Speaker 5: fair enough to got a foot in both camps here.

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Speaker 5: But you know, my view is that he was suspended

1105
00:53:02,813 --> 00:53:07,933
Speaker 5: because ABC realized he was losing viewership and costing the

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00:53:07,973 --> 00:53:10,732
Speaker 5: money and that is not a place any corporation wants

1107
00:53:10,733 --> 00:53:12,413
Speaker 5: to be in, right Yeah, But I.

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Speaker 2: Would say that people, if you it just goes back

1109
00:53:17,813 --> 00:53:20,853
Speaker 2: to that thing we keep repeating, right if you when

1110
00:53:20,933 --> 00:53:23,693
Speaker 2: you test your free speech, it's how much you support

1111
00:53:23,693 --> 00:53:26,493
Speaker 2: people saying things that you don't agree with. And I

1112
00:53:26,573 --> 00:53:28,933
Speaker 2: support ABC's right to get rid of him if they're

1113
00:53:28,973 --> 00:53:31,093
Speaker 2: losing money, but I also support his right to say that.

1114
00:53:31,653 --> 00:53:34,333
Speaker 2: And you know, someone's texting through here. You guys are

1115
00:53:34,373 --> 00:53:37,573
Speaker 2: failing to mention that are millions and millions of followers

1116
00:53:37,573 --> 00:53:41,293
Speaker 2: he has on YouTube, and exactly so, Jimmy Kimmel, if

1117
00:53:41,293 --> 00:53:44,493
Speaker 2: he's really popular and he's more popular on YouTube than

1118
00:53:44,533 --> 00:53:48,413
Speaker 2: he seems to be on ABC with the affiliates dropping

1119
00:53:48,453 --> 00:53:50,693
Speaker 2: him that kind of stuff, then YouTube would be the

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Speaker 2: audience for him, right yeah, So he can go and

1121
00:53:52,613 --> 00:53:54,772
Speaker 2: say these things it's a free speech issue. It isn't

1122
00:53:54,773 --> 00:53:56,933
Speaker 2: someone else that's losing money. It's either him making the

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00:53:56,973 --> 00:53:59,173
Speaker 2: money or him losing the money, if you see what

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00:53:59,173 --> 00:54:02,652
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And that's where free speech comes into it.

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00:54:02,693 --> 00:54:06,813
Speaker 2: And I'd absolutely one thousand percent support Jimmy Kimble's right

1126
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Speaker 2: to say that on YouTube, but I'd also support a

1127
00:54:09,373 --> 00:54:12,933
Speaker 2: company to not lose money by having a host that's

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00:54:12,973 --> 00:54:16,693
Speaker 2: grandstanding in a way that shrinks his audience even smaller

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Speaker 2: than it is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what do you say though, Oh one hundred eighty

1131
00:54:20,013 --> 00:54:22,693
Speaker 5: ten eighty is the number. Call it's twenty four past.

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Speaker 1: Two Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh eight hundred

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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk Z'B.

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Speaker 5: Afternoon to your twenty seven past through having a good

1135
00:54:34,453 --> 00:54:37,133
Speaker 5: discussion about the suspension of Jimmy Kimmel and whether that

1136
00:54:37,253 --> 00:54:41,613
Speaker 5: is canceled culture or whether ABC looked at the declining

1137
00:54:41,733 --> 00:54:44,013
Speaker 5: ratings and used it as a reason to push them

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00:54:44,013 --> 00:54:44,453
Speaker 5: to the site.

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00:54:44,573 --> 00:54:47,413
Speaker 2: This text says, I suspect slash hope it won't be

1140
00:54:47,413 --> 00:54:50,533
Speaker 2: long until you get canceled, mister heath Something tells me

1141
00:54:50,573 --> 00:54:53,933
Speaker 2: you'll slip up soon, and I will celebrate that. Yeah,

1142
00:54:53,973 --> 00:54:55,812
Speaker 2: I think that's a very good chance that I'll slip

1143
00:54:55,853 --> 00:54:56,693
Speaker 2: up soon and get canceled.

1144
00:54:56,693 --> 00:54:58,733
Speaker 5: But we're going to ride that line pretty here for

1145
00:54:58,773 --> 00:55:02,093
Speaker 5: a good time, not a long time.

1146
00:55:02,773 --> 00:55:05,653
Speaker 2: Come on, guys, he's a comedian picking on the president,

1147
00:55:06,133 --> 00:55:08,333
Speaker 2: who has even been in tape saying that he grabs

1148
00:55:08,373 --> 00:55:14,133
Speaker 2: women by the pee at sign hash hash taped making

1149
00:55:14,173 --> 00:55:17,053
Speaker 2: fun of a person with spasms. Well, well, the first

1150
00:55:17,053 --> 00:55:19,973
Speaker 2: thing that you know, like, whatever you think about Trump

1151
00:55:20,253 --> 00:55:22,493
Speaker 2: a private conversation tape. I'm sure we've all said terrible

1152
00:55:22,493 --> 00:55:26,013
Speaker 2: things in private conversation and that spasm thing has been debunked,

1153
00:55:26,013 --> 00:55:30,813
Speaker 2: but whatever, But I get your point that, But it's

1154
00:55:30,813 --> 00:55:32,733
Speaker 2: funny why if people keep saying, come on, guys, I mean,

1155
00:55:32,773 --> 00:55:35,053
Speaker 2: all we've ever said is that free speech is absolutely fine,

1156
00:55:35,053 --> 00:55:36,693
Speaker 2: and he should be allowed to be sad. He shouldn't

1157
00:55:36,693 --> 00:55:38,973
Speaker 2: be free from people criticizing him him saying and all

1158
00:55:38,973 --> 00:55:41,692
Speaker 2: I've seen is people have a problem with him saying that,

1159
00:55:41,733 --> 00:55:44,573
Speaker 2: instead of pushing for him to be canceled, should come

1160
00:55:44,653 --> 00:55:47,013
Speaker 2: up with an argument and use that and point out

1161
00:55:47,053 --> 00:55:48,813
Speaker 2: that he is not a very nice person or a

1162
00:55:48,973 --> 00:55:50,853
Speaker 2: particularly honest person. If they don't think that is off.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel's that I don't think he should be canceled

1164
00:55:53,573 --> 00:55:55,493
Speaker 2: for the words he said. But I also, as I

1165
00:55:55,573 --> 00:55:57,573
Speaker 2: keep saying, I feel like I'm going around in circles here.

1166
00:55:57,573 --> 00:55:59,293
Speaker 2: But I'm also saying that a company has the right

1167
00:55:59,373 --> 00:56:03,293
Speaker 2: to get suspend their host if they're losing money from

1168
00:56:03,293 --> 00:56:05,373
Speaker 2: a guy who doesn't rate very well and is getting

1169
00:56:05,373 --> 00:56:08,093
Speaker 2: paid sixteen million dollars a year. So both things can

1170
00:56:08,093 --> 00:56:08,933
Speaker 2: be true.

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00:56:09,333 --> 00:56:12,333
Speaker 5: And I'm sure he'll pop up somewhere else. He absolutely

1172
00:56:12,333 --> 00:56:14,853
Speaker 5: does have a following in certain circles, so he pops

1173
00:56:14,933 --> 00:56:17,973
Speaker 5: up online or on his own or another network. At

1174
00:56:17,973 --> 00:56:21,613
Speaker 5: that point, I don't think either either of us are saying, no,

1175
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Speaker 5: Jimmy Kimmel, you can't be on TV anymore. That's absolutely

1176
00:56:24,973 --> 00:56:25,533
Speaker 5: not what we're saying.

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Speaker 2: Brittany says, I made the mistake of stumbling across your

1178
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Speaker 2: radio show this afternoon.

1179
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Speaker 4: How did you do that? You just stumbled across it? Well,

1180
00:56:31,653 --> 00:56:32,053
Speaker 4: good on you.

1181
00:56:32,133 --> 00:56:34,573
Speaker 2: Welcome, Yeah, welcome. First, the comedians have the right to

1182
00:56:34,613 --> 00:56:38,053
Speaker 2: say things in bad tastes. Yep, We've said that repeatedly. Secondly,

1183
00:56:38,133 --> 00:56:40,692
Speaker 2: let's not pretend this is about money. If Kimmel's ratings

1184
00:56:40,733 --> 00:56:42,573
Speaker 2: were so bad, his show would have been wouldn't have

1185
00:56:42,613 --> 00:56:45,213
Speaker 2: been so abruptly canceled. The timing is in the coincidence.

1186
00:56:45,253 --> 00:56:48,533
Speaker 2: The United States is sliding into authoritarianism and corporate America

1187
00:56:48,613 --> 00:56:51,413
Speaker 2: is escalating the process of deep platforming any voice critical

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Speaker 2: of the president. They are working their way towards the FURA. Well,

1189
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Speaker 2: I mean that furists. As soon as you say that,

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00:56:57,733 --> 00:57:02,613
Speaker 2: you've completely and utterly lost me. Come on, don't Brian

1191
00:57:03,213 --> 00:57:04,333
Speaker 2: outside of your bubble.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, god, but don't bring it to Nazis then when

1193
00:57:09,493 --> 00:57:10,093
Speaker 5: you lose it.

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00:57:10,253 --> 00:57:12,093
Speaker 4: How can you start off so liberal and end up

1195
00:57:12,133 --> 00:57:18,013
Speaker 4: so anyway? I shouldn't have read that out.

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Speaker 5: That's right. Thanks for listening, Brittany.

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Speaker 2: The sooner you too, cat pathetic clowns are canceled, the.

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Speaker 5: Better, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 9: Good.

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00:57:24,853 --> 00:57:26,453
Speaker 5: I need some lovely people out there today.

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00:57:26,493 --> 00:57:28,693
Speaker 4: But see that just this is fantastic.

1202
00:57:28,773 --> 00:57:31,133
Speaker 2: So a lot of our audience believe in cancel culture,

1203
00:57:31,293 --> 00:57:33,093
Speaker 2: so they don't agree with what you're saying, even though

1204
00:57:33,133 --> 00:57:34,573
Speaker 2: you've got to say you could not have been more

1205
00:57:34,613 --> 00:57:39,133
Speaker 2: even handed than we are. We're basically walking a tightrope

1206
00:57:39,613 --> 00:57:42,973
Speaker 2: with a long pole with both subjects on either side

1207
00:57:42,973 --> 00:57:45,293
Speaker 2: of it. But still all these people texting you should

1208
00:57:45,293 --> 00:57:48,213
Speaker 2: be canceled for even having the discussion. So people that

1209
00:57:48,293 --> 00:57:52,133
Speaker 2: text that, yeah, they are the proof that cancel culture

1210
00:57:52,133 --> 00:57:54,853
Speaker 2: does exist, or people believe that it's a good thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1212
00:57:57,613 --> 00:58:00,173
Speaker 5: number to call. Got some headlines coming up with Wendy,

1213
00:58:00,653 --> 00:58:03,133
Speaker 5: then plenty of calls to get to still the full

1214
00:58:03,213 --> 00:58:06,333
Speaker 5: boards and the text machine is absolutely going crazy.

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Speaker 4: Bring it on.

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00:58:07,373 --> 00:58:09,573
Speaker 2: That's good those feeling it feels good will that people

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00:58:09,573 --> 00:58:10,653
Speaker 2: telling me that I should be canceled.

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Speaker 4: I love it. Oh jus talk said.

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Speaker 15: The headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with

1220
00:58:18,293 --> 00:58:21,653
Speaker 15: a blue bubble. The Finance Minister's backing her approach to

1221
00:58:21,693 --> 00:58:24,973
Speaker 15: spending after it was called into question. A poor showing

1222
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Speaker 15: in the June Quarter has prompted former Finance Minister Sir

1223
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Speaker 15: Roger Douglas to call on Nikola Willis to resign. Meanwhile,

1224
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Speaker 15: at a mission from a National Party front bencher, the

1225
00:58:35,213 --> 00:58:40,053
Speaker 15: latest GDP slumps surprising compared to forecasts. Nationals Chris Bishop

1226
00:58:40,093 --> 00:58:43,653
Speaker 15: says he's very surprised and forecasters will be two but

1227
00:58:43,733 --> 00:58:47,133
Speaker 15: he says it speaks to the economic challenges the government inherited.

1228
00:58:48,053 --> 00:58:51,413
Speaker 15: New evidence from a forensic psychiatrist is calling into question

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Speaker 15: murder accused Hargung Lee's insanity claims. Lee's on trial at

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Speaker 15: the High Court at Auckland, charged with her children's twenty

1231
00:58:58,773 --> 00:59:02,773
Speaker 15: eighteen murder. A twenty minute grace period for parking in

1232
00:59:02,813 --> 00:59:05,853
Speaker 15: todong A City Center has been approved. It's an effort

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00:59:05,893 --> 00:59:08,853
Speaker 15: to encourage visitors to spend time in town and took

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Speaker 15: effect on Tuesday. Today is a one hundred and thirty

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00:59:12,573 --> 00:59:16,613
Speaker 15: second anniversary of Suffrage Day, recognizing the Kiwi women who

1236
00:59:16,613 --> 00:59:18,613
Speaker 15: were the first in the world to win their right

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00:59:18,733 --> 00:59:23,053
Speaker 15: to vote. Plus hamstrung. How silence on Georgia Miller's injury

1238
00:59:23,133 --> 00:59:25,733
Speaker 15: kept fans in the dark. Read the full column at

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Speaker 15: zet Herald Premium. Now back to Matt and Tyler.

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much, Windy, so many techs coming through

1241
00:59:30,893 --> 00:59:33,173
Speaker 5: on this. On nine two nine two, Hey, and.

1242
00:59:33,213 --> 00:59:35,853
Speaker 2: Just a little bit later on the show, there's We've

1243
00:59:35,893 --> 00:59:38,373
Speaker 2: got some audio of what Jimmy Kimmel thought of tuckle

1244
00:59:38,413 --> 00:59:40,253
Speaker 2: Castle and being canceled off Fox.

1245
00:59:40,293 --> 00:59:41,933
Speaker 4: It's very interesting being fired from this Fox show.

1246
00:59:42,053 --> 00:59:45,373
Speaker 2: But anyway, some of Trump's actions are laudable. Scissus text,

1247
00:59:45,453 --> 00:59:48,573
Speaker 2: but censorship is not and that it leads to dictatorship.

1248
00:59:48,573 --> 00:59:50,933
Speaker 2: You cannot escape the fact that no Republican based media

1249
00:59:50,973 --> 00:59:56,813
Speaker 2: outlets have been shut down. What non Republican media things

1250
00:59:56,813 --> 00:59:58,813
Speaker 2: have been shut down?

1251
00:59:59,053 --> 00:59:59,653
Speaker 4: Less leaning?

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01:00:00,533 --> 01:00:05,093
Speaker 2: I mean, m ISNBC still going, CNN is still going, Yeah.

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01:00:05,133 --> 01:00:06,573
Speaker 4: ABC's still go.

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01:00:06,773 --> 01:00:10,013
Speaker 2: Bone They've just suspended their host, frightening those that remain

1255
01:00:10,573 --> 01:00:13,093
Speaker 2: largely owned by Trump's donors and mates. Surely that's a

1256
01:00:13,213 --> 01:00:17,173
Speaker 2: huge concern. Yeah, I mean, well it would be, but

1257
01:00:17,213 --> 01:00:20,333
Speaker 2: I'd have to look into that. Dallas, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Hi, Matt. Look, you're confusing two issues, and the

1259
01:00:25,813 --> 01:00:29,573
Speaker 3: first one is whether you know, late night television's on

1260
01:00:29,613 --> 01:00:33,613
Speaker 3: the way out and whether it's viable in this modern economy.

1261
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Speaker 3: And that's a different discussion. You could have another discussion

1262
01:00:37,893 --> 01:00:40,653
Speaker 3: the other day on that, but you know, because that's

1263
01:00:40,693 --> 01:00:44,293
Speaker 3: not really you're confusing the issue. The issue is free speech.

1264
01:00:45,693 --> 01:00:49,693
Speaker 3: And when it comes to free speech, the president himself,

1265
01:00:50,613 --> 01:00:55,573
Speaker 3: straight after Kirk's murder, who did he ascribe the killerty?

1266
01:00:56,013 --> 01:01:01,413
Speaker 3: He said, it's obviously a left wing shooter. Right, that is,

1267
01:01:01,493 --> 01:01:05,333
Speaker 3: before we knew who the shooter was. Trump came straight

1268
01:01:05,373 --> 01:01:07,053
Speaker 3: out and said it's a left wing shooter.

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Speaker 2: Just a question, just quickly, Dallas, how am I confusing

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01:01:12,573 --> 01:01:14,973
Speaker 2: the issue? Because I've said that it's fine for Jimmy

1271
01:01:15,013 --> 01:01:17,933
Speaker 2: Kimmel to say that, Absolutely absolutely fine for it, and

1272
01:01:17,933 --> 01:01:21,653
Speaker 2: I would totally support his right to say what he said.

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01:01:22,013 --> 01:01:25,573
Speaker 2: All I'm saying is that you can't force an employee

1274
01:01:25,573 --> 01:01:28,053
Speaker 2: to keep someone on when they're losing money and continue

1275
01:01:28,093 --> 01:01:29,973
Speaker 2: to say things that lose their audience. That that's all

1276
01:01:29,973 --> 01:01:31,653
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I mean, both things can be true.

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Speaker 14: No one's going to disagree with that, man, So I

1278
01:01:35,093 --> 01:01:35,613
Speaker 14: just want to know how.

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01:01:35,533 --> 01:01:37,453
Speaker 2: I'm confusing the issue is all, Dallas, because that's what you.

1280
01:01:37,373 --> 01:01:41,333
Speaker 3: Said, Well, that it's confused. No one will disagree with that.

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01:01:41,533 --> 01:01:43,333
Speaker 3: If you're not making money, you're gone.

1282
01:01:43,453 --> 01:01:44,053
Speaker 4: Yeah. Good.

1283
01:01:44,613 --> 01:01:47,653
Speaker 3: That's not really a talk back discussion because there's assion.

1284
01:01:47,733 --> 01:01:48,933
Speaker 4: It seems you're filled up there.

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01:01:48,933 --> 01:01:51,453
Speaker 2: We've got so many texts and calls coming through, including

1286
01:01:51,453 --> 01:01:52,173
Speaker 2: from you, Dallas.

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01:01:53,253 --> 01:01:56,853
Speaker 4: It's getting some people interested in Yeah.

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01:01:56,933 --> 01:01:59,653
Speaker 3: But I just it's driving me crazy that you're confusing

1289
01:01:59,693 --> 01:02:00,413
Speaker 3: those two issues.

1290
01:02:01,173 --> 01:02:02,453
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I'm not confusing me.

1291
01:02:02,493 --> 01:02:04,733
Speaker 2: I'm saying that both things are true in my opinion,

1292
01:02:05,013 --> 01:02:08,693
Speaker 2: that he can say whatever he wants within the reasons

1293
01:02:08,693 --> 01:02:11,053
Speaker 2: of the law, and we all know that the restrictions

1294
01:02:11,053 --> 01:02:14,573
Speaker 2: on free speech around slander and death threats and all

1295
01:02:14,613 --> 01:02:17,653
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. But but but the argument we're

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Speaker 2: having there is people are saying that that ABC and Disney,

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Speaker 2: that parent company, are canceling him, and that they that

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01:02:25,133 --> 01:02:27,493
Speaker 2: that is a fight, that is an attack on free

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01:02:27,493 --> 01:02:30,173
Speaker 2: speech what they are doing as a company. But I'm

1300
01:02:30,213 --> 01:02:33,453
Speaker 2: saying that I think a company has the right to

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01:02:33,493 --> 01:02:35,373
Speaker 2: try and make money and if their host is losing

1302
01:02:35,373 --> 01:02:38,613
Speaker 2: their money, which he is, and this is another example

1303
01:02:38,613 --> 01:02:40,373
Speaker 2: of how he's going to lose more money because the

1304
01:02:40,373 --> 01:02:44,333
Speaker 2: affiliates are canceling taking the show, then they have the

1305
01:02:44,413 --> 01:02:46,733
Speaker 2: right to get rid of him. But Jimmy Kimmel absolutely

1306
01:02:46,733 --> 01:02:48,613
Speaker 2: could get his own YouTube channel and go and say

1307
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Speaker 2: whatever he wants, and I'd support that thoroughly.

1308
01:02:51,973 --> 01:02:54,853
Speaker 3: It's not clear yet. We're not clear yet why he's

1309
01:02:54,893 --> 01:02:59,013
Speaker 3: being canceled. If it's a commercial decision, fair enough, but

1310
01:02:59,093 --> 01:03:01,133
Speaker 3: we're not We're not clear on that yet. So I

1311
01:03:01,133 --> 01:03:04,213
Speaker 3: guess I guess with the talk about that, you're trying

1312
01:03:04,253 --> 01:03:06,253
Speaker 3: to get a discussion go is it that or is

1313
01:03:06,253 --> 01:03:06,853
Speaker 3: it the other thing?

1314
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Speaker 17: Here?

1315
01:03:07,253 --> 01:03:08,853
Speaker 2: But I'd say, you know, because a lot of people

1316
01:03:08,853 --> 01:03:10,893
Speaker 2: think we are speculating wildly, Dallas.

1317
01:03:10,933 --> 01:03:12,213
Speaker 4: I agree, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 5: But this idea Dallas, that somehow the Trump administration has

1319
01:03:16,773 --> 01:03:20,213
Speaker 5: themselves got rid of Jimmy Kemmel I find a bit fanciful,

1320
01:03:20,533 --> 01:03:22,533
Speaker 5: and we can this is why we're having this discussion.

1321
01:03:22,573 --> 01:03:25,573
Speaker 5: But Donald Trump would like a lot of media organizations

1322
01:03:25,613 --> 01:03:28,253
Speaker 5: shut down in America. The New York Times, the Washington Boast.

1323
01:03:28,413 --> 01:03:31,733
Speaker 5: He's been on recal with pretty much all of them, NBC.

1324
01:03:32,533 --> 01:03:34,933
Speaker 5: I can't even think of another organization that he hasn't

1325
01:03:34,933 --> 01:03:37,253
Speaker 5: said they should shut down because they're awful. But they

1326
01:03:37,293 --> 01:03:40,213
Speaker 5: are still going. So the idea that they are waving,

1327
01:03:40,693 --> 01:03:42,853
Speaker 5: you know, there's big stick and saying you've got to

1328
01:03:42,893 --> 01:03:45,053
Speaker 5: shut these guys down, it is not happening.

1329
01:03:45,413 --> 01:03:47,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, And in fact, there's there was the quote.

1330
01:03:47,373 --> 01:03:48,853
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember her. I'll try and look up her.

1331
01:03:48,893 --> 01:03:52,053
Speaker 2: It was I was talking about CNN executives, the driving

1332
01:03:52,133 --> 01:03:54,813
Speaker 2: Lamborghinis on the back of Trump. You know, these left

1333
01:03:54,853 --> 01:03:59,253
Speaker 2: wing you know, organizations like CNN and m NBC. They

1334
01:03:59,373 --> 01:04:01,533
Speaker 2: make a lot of money from being up against Trump

1335
01:04:01,573 --> 01:04:06,013
Speaker 2: quite quite quite apart, quite different, and they're struggling now.

1336
01:04:06,053 --> 01:04:08,213
Speaker 2: But but maybe the Overton, Windows moved, whatever, But they've

1337
01:04:08,213 --> 01:04:10,493
Speaker 2: made a lot of money from their opposition to Trump

1338
01:04:10,693 --> 01:04:12,653
Speaker 2: after twenty sixteen, Dallas.

1339
01:04:13,933 --> 01:04:15,973
Speaker 3: I think you're just playing wrong with the tyler. It's

1340
01:04:15,973 --> 01:04:18,053
Speaker 3: just my opinion. I think a lot of people share

1341
01:04:18,053 --> 01:04:20,493
Speaker 3: their opinion that Trump is trying to shut down free

1342
01:04:20,573 --> 01:04:23,053
Speaker 3: speech in the America, and he started with the low

1343
01:04:23,093 --> 01:04:27,053
Speaker 3: hanging fruit, which is the comedians who really get under

1344
01:04:27,053 --> 01:04:27,453
Speaker 3: his skin.

1345
01:04:28,493 --> 01:04:30,933
Speaker 5: But I suppose my point, dellais say is that in

1346
01:04:30,973 --> 01:04:33,493
Speaker 5: a place like America and New Zealand for that matter,

1347
01:04:33,493 --> 01:04:35,573
Speaker 5: if Jimmy is as popular as he is and he's

1348
01:04:35,573 --> 01:04:37,853
Speaker 5: got his fans, then he can start up his own

1349
01:04:37,893 --> 01:04:40,813
Speaker 5: situation and carry on and keep going. It doesn't really

1350
01:04:40,813 --> 01:04:43,253
Speaker 5: matter if he's on ABC or any one of the networks.

1351
01:04:43,493 --> 01:04:45,933
Speaker 5: He still has the ability to have a voice and

1352
01:04:46,013 --> 01:04:48,173
Speaker 5: get his opinions out there, and in fact, he can

1353
01:04:48,213 --> 01:04:50,573
Speaker 5: probably go harder if he does it himself. So there's

1354
01:04:50,613 --> 01:04:51,853
Speaker 5: still that element.

1355
01:04:52,173 --> 01:04:55,333
Speaker 3: That's a puppy helper's career of anything. Just in the

1356
01:04:55,373 --> 01:04:59,493
Speaker 3: same way that you know, Charlie Kirk, he's now become

1357
01:04:59,573 --> 01:05:02,373
Speaker 3: a saint you and you know you can't get rid

1358
01:05:02,373 --> 01:05:06,093
Speaker 3: of people by killing them. You can't kill ideas. You know,

1359
01:05:06,253 --> 01:05:09,533
Speaker 3: that's not the way to go. Increase it, you just

1360
01:05:09,653 --> 01:05:11,053
Speaker 3: increase the ideas well.

1361
01:05:11,093 --> 01:05:14,893
Speaker 2: Well, interestingly, Dallas, currently Jimmy Kimble's got one point one

1362
01:05:14,973 --> 01:05:18,213
Speaker 2: million viewers on his TV show, but he has twenty

1363
01:05:18,333 --> 01:05:21,373
Speaker 2: million subscribers to his YouTube channel. And of course he'll

1364
01:05:21,413 --> 01:05:25,013
Speaker 2: lose that YouTube channel if because that's associated with the show.

1365
01:05:25,093 --> 01:05:29,533
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean he he, I wouldn't be so

1366
01:05:29,613 --> 01:05:33,533
Speaker 2: many people have. Megan Kelly's an example that lost your

1367
01:05:33,613 --> 01:05:36,453
Speaker 2: job and has gone on to have a huge success

1368
01:05:36,813 --> 01:05:37,653
Speaker 2: on YouTube.

1369
01:05:37,893 --> 01:05:41,053
Speaker 4: Piers Morgan's another one. So there's you.

1370
01:05:41,333 --> 01:05:43,173
Speaker 2: He'll probably do better, You'll probably make money and be

1371
01:05:43,213 --> 01:05:44,453
Speaker 2: able to say whatever he wants.

1372
01:05:45,333 --> 01:05:49,333
Speaker 3: So Tyler, yep, Tyler, I'm concerned about your back. Tomorrow,

1373
01:05:49,573 --> 01:05:52,293
Speaker 3: I think get some get some professional help, move in

1374
01:05:52,373 --> 01:05:56,133
Speaker 3: your your fridge and you're dead and come on, don't be.

1375
01:05:56,773 --> 01:05:59,133
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm glad you've offered your services, Dallas. So we're

1376
01:05:59,133 --> 01:06:01,373
Speaker 5: going to start at eight thirty tomorrow and I'll get

1377
01:06:01,373 --> 01:06:02,533
Speaker 5: you some fishing for lunch.

1378
01:06:03,333 --> 01:06:04,133
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll be there.

1379
01:06:04,293 --> 01:06:05,093
Speaker 3: I'll be there with Matt.

1380
01:06:05,613 --> 01:06:07,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll both there. See that's isn't that great?

1381
01:06:07,773 --> 01:06:09,933
Speaker 2: We can have a bus discussion with Dallas. But then

1382
01:06:09,973 --> 01:06:11,373
Speaker 2: he's still going to be around to help you move

1383
01:06:11,413 --> 01:06:11,973
Speaker 2: house tomorrow.

1384
01:06:12,093 --> 01:06:12,253
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1385
01:06:12,333 --> 01:06:14,253
Speaker 5: What a good man and what a good country? All right? O.

1386
01:06:14,293 --> 01:06:16,133
Speaker 5: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

1387
01:06:16,133 --> 01:06:17,853
Speaker 5: call love to hear your thoughts on this. It is

1388
01:06:18,013 --> 01:06:19,173
Speaker 5: nineteen two three.

1389
01:06:20,253 --> 01:06:23,813
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eighty eighty Matt

1390
01:06:23,853 --> 01:06:26,573
Speaker 1: Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

1391
01:06:26,613 --> 01:06:29,493
Speaker 5: That'd be afternoon sixteen to three, and we are talking

1392
01:06:29,493 --> 01:06:33,613
Speaker 5: about Jimmy Kimmel's suspension, cancel culture or just the nature

1393
01:06:33,933 --> 01:06:36,693
Speaker 5: of a corporation needing to make money.

1394
01:06:37,573 --> 01:06:40,693
Speaker 2: So I was going to play that audio of Jimmy Kimmel,

1395
01:06:40,893 --> 01:06:44,533
Speaker 2: but we don't have the Okay, we'll come back to

1396
01:06:44,573 --> 01:06:46,373
Speaker 2: that in just a second.

1397
01:06:46,493 --> 01:06:47,493
Speaker 4: Jack, your thoughts on this?

1398
01:06:48,653 --> 01:06:48,853
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1399
01:06:48,893 --> 01:06:50,893
Speaker 14: How are you? It just cracks me up. All these

1400
01:06:50,893 --> 01:06:54,533
Speaker 14: people blaming Trump and everybody else and Jesus Christ and

1401
01:06:54,573 --> 01:06:57,493
Speaker 14: everybody else. The fact is what happened. I was watching

1402
01:06:57,533 --> 01:07:03,173
Speaker 14: what happened? And next who owns? Who owns? Two hundred

1403
01:07:03,533 --> 01:07:08,413
Speaker 14: TV channels? That actually ABC sends all the show to.

1404
01:07:09,293 --> 01:07:12,213
Speaker 14: As soon as kim Well made that statement, they closed

1405
01:07:12,253 --> 01:07:14,733
Speaker 14: their contracts immediately and says, right, cut us off. Now

1406
01:07:15,133 --> 01:07:17,413
Speaker 14: they were in the process of cutting them off anyway,

1407
01:07:17,453 --> 01:07:20,053
Speaker 14: because this ratings had gone down what you've already said,

1408
01:07:20,093 --> 01:07:23,653
Speaker 14: seventy two percent, but it was seventy five percent down

1409
01:07:24,133 --> 01:07:28,533
Speaker 14: in two hundred TV stations around America, and they were

1410
01:07:28,533 --> 01:07:31,533
Speaker 14: in the process of cutting it all down. And the

1411
01:07:32,693 --> 01:07:36,493
Speaker 14: CEO of the FCC in America, who funds these it's

1412
01:07:36,533 --> 01:07:43,053
Speaker 14: like the government funding TVNZ and the Married Channel and

1413
01:07:43,973 --> 01:07:46,253
Speaker 14: radio and New Zealand. They actually put a lot of

1414
01:07:46,253 --> 01:07:50,213
Speaker 14: money into ABC and the other channels. He had already

1415
01:07:50,213 --> 01:07:52,293
Speaker 14: said I saw an interview with him, and he'd already

1416
01:07:52,333 --> 01:07:55,053
Speaker 14: sent them let us throughout the year. And they are

1417
01:07:55,093 --> 01:07:57,773
Speaker 14: so by it. They've got a con center or they're

1418
01:07:57,773 --> 01:08:02,693
Speaker 14: going to cut their funding because their whole program had

1419
01:08:02,693 --> 01:08:05,533
Speaker 14: gone one side. And Kimmel was supposed to be a

1420
01:08:05,573 --> 01:08:07,853
Speaker 14: comedian and he got away from it being a comedian.

1421
01:08:08,573 --> 01:08:11,253
Speaker 14: He's not a comedian, become he'd become a broadcaster of

1422
01:08:11,333 --> 01:08:15,093
Speaker 14: a one side legged duck, if you like. And Trump

1423
01:08:15,173 --> 01:08:17,813
Speaker 14: had nothing to do with his sacking, no none whatsoever.

1424
01:08:18,053 --> 01:08:22,213
Speaker 14: It was already done when the channels, two hundred channels around,

1425
01:08:22,853 --> 01:08:24,572
Speaker 14: Marius says, right, cut us off. We don't want this

1426
01:08:24,612 --> 01:08:27,572
Speaker 14: show anymore. We're not having it. And they're actually putting

1427
01:08:27,572 --> 01:08:34,372
Speaker 14: a conservative on his place to have a conservative in

1428
01:08:34,452 --> 01:08:34,852
Speaker 14: his place.

1429
01:08:35,893 --> 01:08:37,612
Speaker 2: Who are they putting on in his place? I read

1430
01:08:37,612 --> 01:08:38,973
Speaker 2: this said she'd forgotten.

1431
01:08:41,492 --> 01:08:43,572
Speaker 14: They're going to put a conservative on his place on Saturday,

1432
01:08:43,652 --> 01:08:49,293
Speaker 14: have a remembrance, a remembrance, ceremony whatever to.

1433
01:08:49,532 --> 01:08:50,013
Speaker 7: Because of it.

1434
01:08:50,412 --> 01:08:53,652
Speaker 14: He's hurt so many people. You don't go and when

1435
01:08:53,812 --> 01:08:55,893
Speaker 14: a woman a woman's just lost a husband and this

1436
01:08:56,013 --> 01:08:59,013
Speaker 14: guy makes a rude comment like that, regardless whether you're

1437
01:08:59,053 --> 01:09:01,013
Speaker 14: left or right, you just don't do that in the

1438
01:09:01,053 --> 01:09:04,372
Speaker 14: face of somebody who's just died twenty four hours later. Yeah,

1439
01:09:04,532 --> 01:09:07,173
Speaker 14: and that was just completely rude and not then, but

1440
01:09:07,293 --> 01:09:09,852
Speaker 14: it wasn't Trump had deserve with us. Trump makes some

1441
01:09:10,372 --> 01:09:13,732
Speaker 14: good or bad statements, who cares. But Trump has actually

1442
01:09:14,053 --> 01:09:17,772
Speaker 14: suit about eight different outfits and won every case with slander.

1443
01:09:18,652 --> 01:09:21,213
Speaker 14: So you know, they tried to sern, they've tried to

1444
01:09:21,253 --> 01:09:22,172
Speaker 14: do everything else.

1445
01:09:22,333 --> 01:09:23,532
Speaker 7: And he's never lost the case.

1446
01:09:24,013 --> 01:09:26,213
Speaker 14: He's cost a fortune, they tried to put him in jail,

1447
01:09:26,933 --> 01:09:29,372
Speaker 14: they've they've done lots of things to him, but in

1448
01:09:29,452 --> 01:09:31,572
Speaker 14: the end of the day, nobody's nobody's got a thing

1449
01:09:31,612 --> 01:09:35,333
Speaker 14: on them. Yeah, Trump did not cause Kimmel's bloody lost.

1450
01:09:35,492 --> 01:09:38,732
Speaker 14: Kimball caused it himself. In this year alone, he's lost

1451
01:09:38,772 --> 01:09:41,932
Speaker 14: seventy five percent of his his audience because he actually

1452
01:09:42,013 --> 01:09:45,133
Speaker 14: said earlier on this year, he says, look, I don't

1453
01:09:45,173 --> 01:09:47,772
Speaker 14: want any conservatives bloody in the thing. I don't want them,

1454
01:09:47,812 --> 01:09:50,333
Speaker 14: I don't want Trump supporters. Go away. Well I just

1455
01:09:50,372 --> 01:09:51,772
Speaker 14: lost fifty percent of his audience.

1456
01:09:51,812 --> 01:09:52,333
Speaker 3: Who would do that?

1457
01:09:52,652 --> 01:09:55,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean your employee doesn't like when

1458
01:09:55,692 --> 01:09:57,892
Speaker 2: you do that because primarily they want to make money.

1459
01:09:58,013 --> 01:10:02,333
Speaker 2: They're you know, they're not public access there are you know,

1460
01:10:02,572 --> 01:10:05,012
Speaker 2: and you know the funny thing that Jack was talking about,

1461
01:10:05,053 --> 01:10:07,372
Speaker 2: but they primarily want to.

1462
01:10:07,372 --> 01:10:09,852
Speaker 4: Make a profit. Special Disney who is there overlords?

1463
01:10:10,013 --> 01:10:10,932
Speaker 5: You live and die on the raid.

1464
01:10:11,933 --> 01:10:14,932
Speaker 2: So if you've got our host grandstanding on sixteen million dollars,

1465
01:10:14,973 --> 01:10:16,772
Speaker 2: you go. And as much as we all support us

1466
01:10:16,853 --> 01:10:19,093
Speaker 2: right to say that, I feel like I'm saying the

1467
01:10:19,133 --> 01:10:22,612
Speaker 2: same thing over again. But as much as Jimmy Kimball

1468
01:10:22,652 --> 01:10:24,612
Speaker 2: say whatever you want, but you're not free from the

1469
01:10:24,652 --> 01:10:27,093
Speaker 2: consequences of saying that if you're losing people millions and

1470
01:10:27,133 --> 01:10:29,333
Speaker 2: millions of dollars, because you can eventually lose all the

1471
01:10:29,452 --> 01:10:32,492
Speaker 2: jobs of all the people that work with you, Tyler Matt.

1472
01:10:32,612 --> 01:10:35,372
Speaker 2: Just look at South Park's recent season ruthless towards Trump,

1473
01:10:35,452 --> 01:10:38,333
Speaker 2: but also just signed a billion dollar multi season deal.

1474
01:10:38,412 --> 01:10:41,093
Speaker 2: Free speech and money can go hand in hand. Yeah,

1475
01:10:41,173 --> 01:10:43,293
Speaker 2: when you're making as much money as South Park as

1476
01:10:43,452 --> 01:10:46,732
Speaker 2: people find it very easy to allow you to continue

1477
01:10:46,812 --> 01:10:48,932
Speaker 2: doing what you're.

1478
01:10:48,812 --> 01:10:51,053
Speaker 5: Doing exactly, and they lead from the front on map.

1479
01:10:51,412 --> 01:10:54,973
Speaker 2: So this is interesting though, This is so. This is

1480
01:10:55,053 --> 01:10:58,972
Speaker 2: when Tucker Carlson, who was a Fox News host when

1481
01:10:59,013 --> 01:11:01,213
Speaker 2: he lost his job. This is what Jimmy Kimmel had

1482
01:11:01,213 --> 01:11:01,492
Speaker 2: to say.

1483
01:11:01,732 --> 01:11:05,452
Speaker 8: Fox News has severed bow ties with Tucker Carlson after

1484
01:11:05,572 --> 01:11:09,532
Speaker 8: all these years. They are parting ways, which means he

1485
01:11:09,652 --> 01:11:11,612
Speaker 8: was fired. I mean, that's really what partying weighs me.

1486
01:11:14,692 --> 01:11:16,812
Speaker 8: Tarker couldn't be reached for comment. He's already on a

1487
01:11:16,853 --> 01:11:19,933
Speaker 8: plane to Moscow to meet with his manager. But what

1488
01:11:20,093 --> 01:11:23,612
Speaker 8: a shock, I mean, what an absolutely delightful shock. This

1489
01:11:23,853 --> 01:11:27,012
Speaker 8: is Now Tucker can spend more time at home, tanning

1490
01:11:27,053 --> 01:11:30,973
Speaker 8: his testicles and touching himself to that sexy green M

1491
01:11:31,013 --> 01:11:34,732
Speaker 8: and M. Sadly, he's probably not done poisoning old people's brains.

1492
01:11:34,772 --> 01:11:36,572
Speaker 4: The question now is where will he do it next?

1493
01:11:36,692 --> 01:11:38,572
Speaker 8: Will he go to oway n, Will he go to Newsmax?

1494
01:11:38,772 --> 01:11:41,452
Speaker 8: Will he crawl back up Satan's fiery b hole?

1495
01:11:41,492 --> 01:11:42,812
Speaker 4: From whence he came? We don't know.

1496
01:11:43,213 --> 01:11:46,253
Speaker 8: One of the most despicable mother tuckers ever to appear

1497
01:11:47,093 --> 01:11:48,333
Speaker 8: on American television.

1498
01:11:48,973 --> 01:11:53,293
Speaker 2: So he was definitely sympathetic to people in the same

1499
01:11:53,333 --> 01:11:57,372
Speaker 2: position he finds himself now, the issues that affect you,

1500
01:11:57,772 --> 01:11:58,053
Speaker 2: and a.

1501
01:11:58,093 --> 01:12:00,412
Speaker 1: Bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler

1502
01:12:00,452 --> 01:12:02,532
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons used talks.

1503
01:12:02,572 --> 01:12:02,852
Speaker 10: It'd be.

1504
01:12:04,333 --> 01:12:07,452
Speaker 5: Very good afternoons. You we are talking about Jimmy Kimmel's

1505
01:12:07,452 --> 01:12:10,692
Speaker 5: suspension with that is cancel culture or whether that's a

1506
01:12:10,772 --> 01:12:14,452
Speaker 5: company a corporation who was losing money with declining ratings.

1507
01:12:14,853 --> 01:12:17,492
Speaker 5: So many texts coming through on this Kiday, guys, Kimmel

1508
01:12:17,612 --> 01:12:20,732
Speaker 5: was canned because of the ratings. Proportionally to New Zealand.

1509
01:12:21,013 --> 01:12:24,572
Speaker 5: He had approximately sixty thousand viewers. You'd be fired if

1510
01:12:24,612 --> 01:12:26,972
Speaker 5: that was all the listeners you had. That's from Steve.

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01:12:27,732 --> 01:12:30,213
Speaker 5: This one the hypocrisy from the left. Remember the censorship

1512
01:12:30,812 --> 01:12:34,053
Speaker 5: during the COVID years, the Twitter files. Where was the outrage?

1513
01:12:34,213 --> 01:12:37,012
Speaker 5: Then this is hypocrisy, pure and simple.

1514
01:12:38,093 --> 01:12:39,532
Speaker 4: Brent, your thoughts.

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01:12:40,812 --> 01:12:44,652
Speaker 12: Yeah, No, I think I think Jimmy Kimmel didn't say

1516
01:12:44,652 --> 01:12:49,372
Speaker 12: anything that was worth canceling for because he didn't say

1517
01:12:49,412 --> 01:12:54,612
Speaker 12: anything that was advocating violence or anything like that. I

1518
01:12:54,692 --> 01:12:58,213
Speaker 12: guess a private company can do what they like, but

1519
01:12:58,372 --> 01:13:01,173
Speaker 12: certainly governments should never have the power to counsel you

1520
01:13:01,333 --> 01:13:06,452
Speaker 12: like they do in China or Russia. But what bothers

1521
01:13:06,572 --> 01:13:11,412
Speaker 12: me today is the deafinition of violence. I listened to

1522
01:13:11,853 --> 01:13:17,053
Speaker 12: Benjamin Doyle's vala victory speech in Parliament yesterday and he

1523
01:13:17,372 --> 01:13:23,333
Speaker 12: implied that Parliament had was full of violence and hate,

1524
01:13:24,253 --> 01:13:27,133
Speaker 12: and I'm thinking, did somebody hit him or something? The

1525
01:13:27,213 --> 01:13:30,412
Speaker 12: only person I can remember hitting somebody was who's the

1526
01:13:30,492 --> 01:13:32,812
Speaker 12: name of the previous sticker several years ago from labor

1527
01:13:32,973 --> 01:13:34,213
Speaker 12: was the name Mela.

1528
01:13:35,652 --> 01:13:36,172
Speaker 6: At somebody.

1529
01:13:41,173 --> 01:13:47,812
Speaker 12: Yeah. But nowadays you've got people who they might say

1530
01:13:47,933 --> 01:13:54,333
Speaker 12: something criticizing an idea or what somebody said, and their

1531
01:13:54,372 --> 01:14:00,173
Speaker 12: opposition classifying that now as violence. And the problem you

1532
01:14:00,253 --> 01:14:03,772
Speaker 12: have was that if you're classifying something speech they don't

1533
01:14:04,013 --> 01:14:09,372
Speaker 12: like as violence, and other people who are mentally unwell

1534
01:14:09,612 --> 01:14:12,692
Speaker 12: or just got some raw anger problems will take that

1535
01:14:12,812 --> 01:14:16,412
Speaker 12: and say, well, that justifies me responding in violence.

1536
01:14:16,452 --> 01:14:18,452
Speaker 10: And that, but they spawn respond.

1537
01:14:18,093 --> 01:14:19,252
Speaker 18: With actual violence.

1538
01:14:19,973 --> 01:14:22,333
Speaker 12: So that's what's happening from from the left. That's coming

1539
01:14:22,372 --> 01:14:26,093
Speaker 12: from the left. That's violence, that's hate. Well, you might

1540
01:14:26,213 --> 01:14:28,132
Speaker 12: hate what I said, but it's not violence.

1541
01:14:28,412 --> 01:14:30,652
Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with you that that's been a

1542
01:14:31,253 --> 01:14:35,852
Speaker 2: very strange concept creep in recent times, that speech is violence.

1543
01:14:36,213 --> 01:14:36,492
Speaker 4: It's not.

1544
01:14:36,812 --> 01:14:40,652
Speaker 2: And every person, I think needs to steal themselves so

1545
01:14:40,772 --> 01:14:43,333
Speaker 2: they can handle hearing things they don't like, or even

1546
01:14:43,372 --> 01:14:46,452
Speaker 2: abuse they don't like. It's much easier to learn how

1547
01:14:46,492 --> 01:14:48,293
Speaker 2: to deal with abuse than it is to try and

1548
01:14:48,372 --> 01:14:51,133
Speaker 2: silence the whole world. And the people that look to

1549
01:14:51,213 --> 01:14:55,133
Speaker 2: silence the whole world. And the argument that they put

1550
01:14:55,293 --> 01:14:58,732
Speaker 2: is that that's why the argument that speech is violence

1551
01:14:58,812 --> 01:15:01,612
Speaker 2: came up, was trying to shut down the argument that, look,

1552
01:15:01,652 --> 01:15:02,293
Speaker 2: it's just words.

1553
01:15:02,532 --> 01:15:04,452
Speaker 4: So they said, shut it down with a better argument.

1554
01:15:04,452 --> 01:15:05,492
Speaker 19: You got a better argument.

1555
01:15:06,053 --> 01:15:09,372
Speaker 12: And I mean, there's lots I'm a rating right winger,

1556
01:15:09,893 --> 01:15:13,013
Speaker 12: and I there's lots of speech from the left that

1557
01:15:13,173 --> 01:15:17,133
Speaker 12: I absolutely hate, but I absolutely accept that they have

1558
01:15:17,293 --> 01:15:19,173
Speaker 12: to have the right to say it so that I

1559
01:15:19,253 --> 01:15:21,333
Speaker 12: can have the right to say what I want to say.

1560
01:15:21,652 --> 01:15:23,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Brent, you've just said what you wanted to

1561
01:15:23,933 --> 01:15:27,133
Speaker 2: say on newstalk ZB and we thoroughly appreciate your call

1562
01:15:27,173 --> 01:15:28,572
Speaker 2: on our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and I

1563
01:15:28,612 --> 01:15:31,852
Speaker 2: think we've had both sides of the argument here thoroughly eared.

1564
01:15:32,173 --> 01:15:34,772
Speaker 5: Yes, what a great discussion. And that is the joy

1565
01:15:34,812 --> 01:15:36,972
Speaker 5: of a program like this is that anybody can come

1566
01:15:37,053 --> 01:15:38,973
Speaker 5: through and say what either they like.

1567
01:15:39,173 --> 01:15:42,892
Speaker 2: Lots of middle class white male callers surprise, surprise, Well

1568
01:15:43,053 --> 01:15:43,972
Speaker 2: that's yeah.

1569
01:15:44,173 --> 01:15:44,732
Speaker 4: So do you want us?

1570
01:15:44,853 --> 01:15:48,213
Speaker 2: Do you want us to silence middle class white male callers?

1571
01:15:48,372 --> 01:15:49,452
Speaker 2: Is that what that text is saying?

1572
01:15:49,492 --> 01:15:49,652
Speaker 4: There?

1573
01:15:49,772 --> 01:15:52,053
Speaker 5: You can ring through extra, Yeah, you can ring.

1574
01:15:52,293 --> 01:15:53,932
Speaker 4: I think most people believe in free speech.

1575
01:15:54,572 --> 01:15:57,012
Speaker 2: What Jimmy Kimble said wasn't nice or really that funny,

1576
01:15:57,053 --> 01:15:58,772
Speaker 2: but he should be allowed to say it, just not

1577
01:15:58,933 --> 01:16:01,932
Speaker 2: keep saying things that lose Disney millions of millions of dollars.

1578
01:16:01,973 --> 01:16:04,532
Speaker 2: I think that kind of makes sense. He can say

1579
01:16:04,532 --> 01:16:06,253
Speaker 2: all that on YouTube when he has his own boss

1580
01:16:06,293 --> 01:16:07,173
Speaker 2: and losing his own money.

1581
01:16:07,412 --> 01:16:07,612
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1582
01:16:08,333 --> 01:16:10,812
Speaker 2: But yeah, when it comes to free speech, everyone is

1583
01:16:10,853 --> 01:16:14,012
Speaker 2: in favor of speech. Hardly a day passes without someone

1584
01:16:14,053 --> 01:16:16,973
Speaker 2: extolling but some people's idea of it as they are

1585
01:16:17,053 --> 01:16:17,973
Speaker 2: free to say what they like.

1586
01:16:18,053 --> 01:16:20,293
Speaker 4: But if anyone says anything back that is an outrage.

1587
01:16:20,492 --> 01:16:20,933
Speaker 4: Who said that?

1588
01:16:21,213 --> 01:16:24,572
Speaker 5: Yeah? Who said that? Winston Chure very good, he is

1589
01:16:24,652 --> 01:16:27,372
Speaker 5: the best of us. Was anyway, great discussion, Thank you

1590
01:16:27,572 --> 01:16:29,852
Speaker 5: very much everyone who phoned and called on there. Coming

1591
01:16:29,933 --> 01:16:33,213
Speaker 5: up after three o'clock. Who is going to be New

1592
01:16:33,293 --> 01:16:34,532
Speaker 5: Zealander of the week.

1593
01:16:39,732 --> 01:16:44,052
Speaker 1: Your new home are insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

1594
01:16:44,293 --> 01:16:47,372
Speaker 1: and Tyler Adams afternoons on news Talk.

1595
01:16:47,492 --> 01:16:49,213
Speaker 4: Sebby, Welcome back.

1596
01:16:49,093 --> 01:16:53,012
Speaker 5: Into the program, seven past three, almost bear a clock.

1597
01:16:53,053 --> 01:16:55,732
Speaker 5: Hope you have in a great Friday afternoon New Zealander

1598
01:16:55,732 --> 01:16:57,452
Speaker 5: of the Week. We'll be coming up very soon.

1599
01:16:58,053 --> 01:17:01,652
Speaker 2: Now we've said two hours of quite intense discussion. You've

1600
01:17:01,652 --> 01:17:04,092
Speaker 2: got to say with the thousands thousand text in full lines,

1601
01:17:04,133 --> 01:17:06,372
Speaker 2: and I'll be interested to know if this topic that

1602
01:17:06,412 --> 01:17:08,732
Speaker 2: we're going to do for the final hour the show

1603
01:17:08,973 --> 01:17:13,732
Speaker 2: is gonna be as heated or reheated as it were.

1604
01:17:13,893 --> 01:17:15,412
Speaker 5: Well done, mate, well done.

1605
01:17:15,612 --> 01:17:19,532
Speaker 2: So I'm pretty sure this topic on expiring dates won't

1606
01:17:19,692 --> 01:17:21,732
Speaker 2: end in as many calls for me to be canceled

1607
01:17:21,772 --> 01:17:24,013
Speaker 2: as came through on the text machine on nine two

1608
01:17:24,093 --> 01:17:24,412
Speaker 2: nine two.

1609
01:17:24,412 --> 01:17:25,692
Speaker 4: A lot of people want me canceled.

1610
01:17:25,812 --> 01:17:27,692
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, they haven't heard what you've got to say

1611
01:17:27,692 --> 01:17:30,852
Speaker 5: about expiry dates yet. Maybe maybe it's pretty controversial.

1612
01:17:30,893 --> 01:17:31,652
Speaker 4: Maybe i'll win them back.

1613
01:17:31,812 --> 01:17:32,772
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe you want.

1614
01:17:32,652 --> 01:17:36,612
Speaker 2: Them my thoughts on, maybe even more. The food safety

1615
01:17:36,652 --> 01:17:38,053
Speaker 2: advocates might come for me this time.

1616
01:17:38,133 --> 01:17:40,093
Speaker 5: I think they will. Yeah, yeah, the pitchforks are going

1617
01:17:40,133 --> 01:17:41,532
Speaker 5: to come out. So that's what we want to have

1618
01:17:41,612 --> 01:17:44,053
Speaker 5: a jet about. So we all glance at expiry dates.

1619
01:17:44,093 --> 01:17:46,812
Speaker 5: Great story in the Herald before eating or buying food,

1620
01:17:46,853 --> 01:17:49,053
Speaker 5: But do you really know what those dates mean? In

1621
01:17:49,133 --> 01:17:51,572
Speaker 5: New Zealand, many confused best before we're used by leading

1622
01:17:51,612 --> 01:17:54,452
Speaker 5: to tons of perfectly good food being thrown away. We

1623
01:17:54,572 --> 01:17:56,213
Speaker 5: do chuck out a lot of food in this country.

1624
01:17:56,812 --> 01:18:00,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just this line from this article is

1625
01:18:00,173 --> 01:18:02,572
Speaker 2: so important. It's so key for all key weis to

1626
01:18:02,652 --> 01:18:07,253
Speaker 2: remember best before dates are about quality food is still

1627
01:18:07,372 --> 01:18:11,572
Speaker 2: fine after that date, so it's best. Yeah, right, people

1628
01:18:11,692 --> 01:18:13,133
Speaker 2: think that it's done.

1629
01:18:13,492 --> 01:18:14,572
Speaker 4: I don't know. My partner does.

1630
01:18:14,692 --> 01:18:17,012
Speaker 2: She's always coming at me saying, trying to throw something

1631
01:18:17,053 --> 01:18:19,893
Speaker 2: out because it's past its best before date. And I'm like,

1632
01:18:20,053 --> 01:18:23,732
Speaker 2: how special and privileged are we that we have to

1633
01:18:23,812 --> 01:18:24,972
Speaker 2: eat food when it's best?

1634
01:18:25,093 --> 01:18:27,093
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's no longer at its peak, I can no

1635
01:18:27,213 --> 01:18:27,772
Speaker 5: longer eat it.

1636
01:18:28,372 --> 01:18:31,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, in reality, I'm going to eat things all the

1637
01:18:31,293 --> 01:18:37,453
Speaker 2: way past off peak, through average, dodgy and then borderline.

1638
01:18:37,612 --> 01:18:39,973
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, let's have a chat about your views on

1639
01:18:40,372 --> 01:18:43,652
Speaker 5: expiry dates, Matt, because look the old best before. I

1640
01:18:43,732 --> 01:18:45,572
Speaker 5: can agree with you there. I'll keep pushing the old

1641
01:18:45,612 --> 01:18:49,333
Speaker 5: best before date. But the expiry date, you even say,

1642
01:18:49,372 --> 01:18:51,492
Speaker 5: with the expiry date, you'll push it. You'll push it

1643
01:18:51,572 --> 01:18:55,973
Speaker 5: a few days before you chuck that out. Oh, one

1644
01:18:56,093 --> 01:18:58,093
Speaker 5: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call love

1645
01:18:58,133 --> 01:19:01,692
Speaker 5: to hear your thoughts on this expiry dates and best before?

1646
01:19:01,772 --> 01:19:05,772
Speaker 5: How far do you push it? And how long before

1647
01:19:05,812 --> 01:19:06,492
Speaker 5: you chuck it out?

1648
01:19:06,532 --> 01:19:06,692
Speaker 6: Really?

1649
01:19:06,732 --> 01:19:08,093
Speaker 5: Can you get your views on this one?

1650
01:19:08,492 --> 01:19:08,812
Speaker 9: Right now?

1651
01:19:08,893 --> 01:19:09,053
Speaker 15: Though?

1652
01:19:11,412 --> 01:19:14,452
Speaker 2: Every Friday on Matt and Tyler afternoons on ZB we

1653
01:19:14,612 --> 01:19:17,013
Speaker 2: name the new Zealander of the Week in honor that

1654
01:19:17,093 --> 01:19:19,452
Speaker 2: we bestow on your behalf to a newsmaker who has

1655
01:19:19,492 --> 01:19:22,133
Speaker 2: had an outsized effect on our great and beautiful nation

1656
01:19:22,612 --> 01:19:24,133
Speaker 2: over the previous seven days.

1657
01:19:24,452 --> 01:19:27,133
Speaker 4: As the ways, there'll be two runners up, but only

1658
01:19:27,333 --> 01:19:29,173
Speaker 4: one winner. Who will it be?

1659
01:19:29,853 --> 01:19:33,252
Speaker 2: Without further ado, the nominees for Matt and Tyler afternoons

1660
01:19:33,293 --> 01:19:33,973
Speaker 2: New Zealand of the.

1661
01:19:33,973 --> 01:19:34,692
Speaker 6: Week are.

1662
01:19:37,333 --> 01:19:40,532
Speaker 2: And the second runner up also gets the Dad's Jokes

1663
01:19:40,572 --> 01:19:45,253
Speaker 2: attached to some Man's Award. In the time of division, misrepresentation,

1664
01:19:45,772 --> 01:19:50,692
Speaker 2: performative politics and media bias, one publication takes the light

1665
01:19:50,772 --> 01:19:51,933
Speaker 2: aside the.

1666
01:19:52,093 --> 01:19:54,413
Speaker 5: Innocent, cheerful community.

1667
01:19:54,612 --> 01:19:58,132
Speaker 2: Coffee stained folded one piece known as the Coffee News,

1668
01:19:58,652 --> 01:20:01,172
Speaker 2: a beige colored beacon and cynical times.

1669
01:20:01,612 --> 01:20:04,892
Speaker 20: You are first runner up for New Zealander of the Week,

1670
01:20:05,333 --> 01:20:06,452
Speaker 20: and here's a joke from the.

1671
01:20:06,492 --> 01:20:09,293
Speaker 4: Owner of all the nation coffee users.

1672
01:20:10,133 --> 01:20:13,852
Speaker 19: What does Jeff Bezos do every night before bed?

1673
01:20:14,692 --> 01:20:19,053
Speaker 4: What does Jeff vizas to every night? He puts his Pajamason,

1674
01:20:19,853 --> 01:20:20,613
Speaker 4: He puts.

1675
01:20:20,372 --> 01:20:24,892
Speaker 5: His Pajamazon like Amazona Amazon.

1676
01:20:28,053 --> 01:20:29,973
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for talking to us, Rudy, what

1677
01:20:30,173 --> 01:20:31,813
Speaker 4: good man pajamas?

1678
01:20:32,933 --> 01:20:35,213
Speaker 5: So long, so light now.

1679
01:20:35,372 --> 01:20:38,932
Speaker 2: The first runner up also gets the boring but important award.

1680
01:20:39,973 --> 01:20:42,893
Speaker 2: Something was placed in our boxes this week, Well for

1681
01:20:42,973 --> 01:20:45,692
Speaker 2: those of us who bother to enroll anyway, A beautiful

1682
01:20:45,732 --> 01:20:48,652
Speaker 2: booklet packed with the faces of those who wish to

1683
01:20:48,772 --> 01:20:49,692
Speaker 2: govern us locally.

1684
01:20:50,093 --> 01:20:52,812
Speaker 4: I know what you're thinking. Who knows who these people are?

1685
01:20:53,173 --> 01:20:54,572
Speaker 4: Who has time to find out?

1686
01:20:55,093 --> 01:20:56,692
Speaker 5: Who cares well?

1687
01:20:57,612 --> 01:21:00,412
Speaker 2: We all should because some of these very strange people

1688
01:21:00,652 --> 01:21:03,173
Speaker 2: will make the terrible decisions that will annoy you for

1689
01:21:03,372 --> 01:21:04,093
Speaker 2: years to come.

1690
01:21:04,772 --> 01:21:06,013
Speaker 4: Local body elections.

1691
01:21:06,412 --> 01:21:09,732
Speaker 2: You maybe low wattag, you maybe confusing, but you are

1692
01:21:09,853 --> 01:21:13,012
Speaker 2: so very very important and you are the first runner

1693
01:21:13,093 --> 01:21:15,092
Speaker 2: up for New Zealander of the Week.

1694
01:21:15,612 --> 01:21:18,093
Speaker 4: And local body elections are for whatever reasons, our.

1695
01:21:18,013 --> 01:21:20,412
Speaker 2: Winner cannot fulfill their duties as New Zealander of the Week.

1696
01:21:20,652 --> 01:21:23,453
Speaker 2: You'll be asked to step up for all public appearances,

1697
01:21:23,692 --> 01:21:28,333
Speaker 2: functions and photo opportunities, but there can be only one

1698
01:21:28,532 --> 01:21:31,532
Speaker 2: and the winner also gets the heroic kiw we success

1699
01:21:31,652 --> 01:21:33,452
Speaker 2: at a non fringe sport award.

1700
01:21:34,772 --> 01:21:37,092
Speaker 4: Everyone in the world tries scissoring at some point.

1701
01:21:37,452 --> 01:21:39,492
Speaker 2: Most of us can't do it very well. We don't

1702
01:21:39,532 --> 01:21:41,973
Speaker 2: have the natural ability. The best of us move on

1703
01:21:42,053 --> 01:21:45,612
Speaker 2: to flopping. But one tall and beautiful man from little

1704
01:21:45,652 --> 01:21:49,293
Speaker 2: old New Zealand. Fosbery's like no one else on God's

1705
01:21:49,333 --> 01:21:49,852
Speaker 2: Green Earth.

1706
01:21:50,372 --> 01:21:52,492
Speaker 5: Born in Dunedin, raised.

1707
01:21:52,173 --> 01:21:55,253
Speaker 20: In christ Church, lives in Auckland and gets over the

1708
01:21:55,412 --> 01:21:58,333
Speaker 20: bar on his own steam better than anyone in the world.

1709
01:21:58,893 --> 01:22:02,093
Speaker 20: High jumping hero Hamish Kurr for winning gold at the

1710
01:22:02,133 --> 01:22:05,532
Speaker 20: World Athletics Championships to add to your Olympic one and

1711
01:22:05,612 --> 01:22:08,492
Speaker 20: then celebrating by panning bears on the street out like

1712
01:22:08,612 --> 01:22:10,133
Speaker 20: a Tokyo seven eleven.

1713
01:22:09,893 --> 01:22:13,452
Speaker 5: Like a true Kiwi. You are the man and Tyler

1714
01:22:13,532 --> 01:22:16,732
Speaker 5: Afternoons New Zealand of the Week. Take it away, Howie

1715
01:22:16,812 --> 01:22:32,693
Speaker 5: Laura fond He smiles.

1716
01:22:33,173 --> 01:22:34,492
Speaker 4: He gets himself ready.

1717
01:22:34,732 --> 01:22:37,893
Speaker 5: He now has the mentality of a championship.

1718
01:22:42,452 --> 01:22:46,212
Speaker 2: The foremost Olympic champion becomes the world champion.

1719
01:22:46,532 --> 01:22:49,892
Speaker 5: And what a couple of nights for the New Zealand

1720
01:22:49,933 --> 01:22:56,852
Speaker 5: two his talk said, be sixteen past three, So no

1721
01:22:56,933 --> 01:22:58,692
Speaker 5: doubt about it. We chuck out a lot of food

1722
01:22:58,812 --> 01:23:02,452
Speaker 5: in this country. Do you push the old expiry dates

1723
01:23:02,492 --> 01:23:05,213
Speaker 5: and certainly the best before as far as you can

1724
01:23:05,293 --> 01:23:05,572
Speaker 5: take it.

1725
01:23:05,933 --> 01:23:07,852
Speaker 2: And I think some people think that if you eat

1726
01:23:07,893 --> 01:23:10,372
Speaker 2: the food after the best before, you somehow are going

1727
01:23:10,412 --> 01:23:12,732
Speaker 2: to die, Like you're going to get capital back?

1728
01:23:12,933 --> 01:23:13,412
Speaker 4: Have I said that?

1729
01:23:13,492 --> 01:23:13,612
Speaker 20: Right?

1730
01:23:14,532 --> 01:23:15,412
Speaker 5: Pretty good shot actually?

1731
01:23:15,532 --> 01:23:19,452
Speaker 4: Or the evil evil camp to low Bacter nailed it?

1732
01:23:19,652 --> 01:23:21,013
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well where do.

1733
01:23:21,013 --> 01:23:23,692
Speaker 4: You find the evil Jardia Jiardia that I'm thinking of?

1734
01:23:23,772 --> 01:23:25,452
Speaker 2: Some ad there was the evil Jardi I think that's

1735
01:23:25,492 --> 01:23:29,133
Speaker 2: in Is that in stagnant waterways or whatever? But as

1736
01:23:29,173 --> 01:23:32,572
Speaker 2: we were as We have been saying that, and this

1737
01:23:32,772 --> 01:23:38,492
Speaker 2: article fantastic article by Mickey Beryl Nicki Barrel that the

1738
01:23:38,532 --> 01:23:40,172
Speaker 2: best before dates are about quality.

1739
01:23:41,372 --> 01:23:44,492
Speaker 5: Would you push the expiry date? That is the big question.

1740
01:23:44,692 --> 01:23:48,293
Speaker 5: So Caesar expires on a certain date one hundred eighty

1741
01:23:48,333 --> 01:23:49,973
Speaker 5: ten eighty you, Matt, would you push it?

1742
01:23:50,253 --> 01:23:52,053
Speaker 2: They just want to buy you and you they just

1743
01:23:52,133 --> 01:23:55,852
Speaker 2: want you to They put the expiry date in such

1744
01:23:55,853 --> 01:23:59,372
Speaker 2: a ridiculously early window because they want you to buy

1745
01:23:59,372 --> 01:24:00,892
Speaker 2: another breast, aren't they.

1746
01:24:01,572 --> 01:24:03,133
Speaker 5: They want you to go breast conspiracy.

1747
01:24:03,213 --> 01:24:05,652
Speaker 2: They want you to throw out that breast and get

1748
01:24:05,692 --> 01:24:06,692
Speaker 2: you to go by another breast.

1749
01:24:06,853 --> 01:24:08,652
Speaker 5: Just give it the sniff tests. Yeah, but what do

1750
01:24:08,732 --> 01:24:12,053
Speaker 5: you say? I went undred eighteen eighty Annie, Welcome to

1751
01:24:12,093 --> 01:24:12,372
Speaker 5: the show.

1752
01:24:13,532 --> 01:24:17,612
Speaker 21: Hi guys, Hello, I'm one of those I think Nicky

1753
01:24:17,652 --> 01:24:23,173
Speaker 21: Berrel is absolutely brilliant actually, and I do push it

1754
01:24:23,253 --> 01:24:26,213
Speaker 21: a little bit. I have been known I take a

1755
01:24:26,253 --> 01:24:28,213
Speaker 21: lot of things out of the original packaging, so I

1756
01:24:28,293 --> 01:24:30,732
Speaker 21: don't even know when they're they meant the best bite

1757
01:24:31,853 --> 01:24:37,452
Speaker 21: and put things into cling film or waxed material wraps

1758
01:24:37,612 --> 01:24:41,013
Speaker 21: to go in the fridge. So sometimes it's just been

1759
01:24:41,412 --> 01:24:44,452
Speaker 21: It's common sense, really, isn't it. It's common sense. If

1760
01:24:44,492 --> 01:24:49,092
Speaker 21: it's got fungus growing on it, slimy at the bottom,

1761
01:24:49,213 --> 01:24:52,053
Speaker 21: you're not gonna touch it, are you. But if it's

1762
01:24:52,452 --> 01:24:54,532
Speaker 21: something like a loaf of bread and it's got a

1763
01:24:54,572 --> 01:24:58,133
Speaker 21: little bit of green or black mold, I have been

1764
01:24:58,213 --> 01:25:00,492
Speaker 21: known not wanting to go down to the shops to

1765
01:25:01,133 --> 01:25:03,452
Speaker 21: get anymore. I have been known to slice it off

1766
01:25:03,572 --> 01:25:06,092
Speaker 21: all the way around toast it, and it tastes just fine,

1767
01:25:06,133 --> 01:25:09,812
Speaker 21: and I think, yeah, that's fats for money, didn't I Cheese?

1768
01:25:10,253 --> 01:25:13,093
Speaker 21: When it does white bloom on it, you know, the

1769
01:25:13,213 --> 01:25:17,933
Speaker 21: big chunky cheddar. That's nice tasty one. You have to

1770
01:25:17,973 --> 01:25:20,412
Speaker 21: bite in the big blocks because it's so expensive to

1771
01:25:20,452 --> 01:25:23,013
Speaker 21: bite any other way. So that's got to last as

1772
01:25:23,093 --> 01:25:26,213
Speaker 21: far as I'm concerned. So you can just do a

1773
01:25:26,372 --> 01:25:28,132
Speaker 21: thin shave, take off that bloom.

1774
01:25:29,532 --> 01:25:32,972
Speaker 5: Ye give it to the dog. They love it. Pretty sure.

1775
01:25:33,013 --> 01:25:35,293
Speaker 5: That funguses is pretty good sometimes, isn't it.

1776
01:25:36,692 --> 01:25:38,492
Speaker 21: It will it will carry on and become like the

1777
01:25:38,572 --> 01:25:40,093
Speaker 21: white skin on canon there.

1778
01:25:40,133 --> 01:25:45,493
Speaker 19: So it's part of the cheese. What about vegetables?

1779
01:25:46,213 --> 01:25:49,253
Speaker 21: How can we save money on vegetables? Because they're blinking expensive.

1780
01:25:49,333 --> 01:25:53,893
Speaker 21: And if I've got a bag of green beans that

1781
01:25:54,013 --> 01:25:56,732
Speaker 21: are forgotten about and find them. There's some gone a

1782
01:25:56,772 --> 01:25:59,133
Speaker 21: bit rotten in there, and some haven't put rot.

1783
01:25:59,532 --> 01:26:00,492
Speaker 19: Obviously, that's going.

1784
01:26:00,452 --> 01:26:04,333
Speaker 21: To compaste chop out the other than bundon into soup

1785
01:26:04,612 --> 01:26:07,812
Speaker 21: or into a risotto. You can you know, you can

1786
01:26:07,933 --> 01:26:12,812
Speaker 21: still use them. It's like sprouting onions. Or you can

1787
01:26:13,053 --> 01:26:15,173
Speaker 21: use the bits that you can use. Okay it's not

1788
01:26:15,333 --> 01:26:18,812
Speaker 21: super fresh that it's fine soup, or you can just

1789
01:26:19,412 --> 01:26:21,572
Speaker 21: encurry that you're pushing the boat out.

1790
01:26:21,652 --> 01:26:22,532
Speaker 19: If it's trick.

1791
01:26:23,893 --> 01:26:26,532
Speaker 21: That doesn't smell right, it's the white bit's growing on it.

1792
01:26:27,772 --> 01:26:27,972
Speaker 4: Well.

1793
01:26:29,173 --> 01:26:32,173
Speaker 2: Do you know what bugs me as when there is

1794
01:26:32,213 --> 01:26:34,492
Speaker 2: a little bit of mold on the on one bit

1795
01:26:34,572 --> 01:26:37,652
Speaker 2: of bread, one far end of a loaf, and I

1796
01:26:37,732 --> 01:26:39,852
Speaker 2: see one of my children taking that to the rubbish punt.

1797
01:26:40,253 --> 01:26:43,812
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I don't even scraped the mold off

1798
01:26:43,853 --> 01:26:46,253
Speaker 2: that one bit of bread. But you can definitely further

1799
01:26:46,333 --> 01:26:49,333
Speaker 2: down the loaf. We're still good to go, absolutely, and

1800
01:26:50,812 --> 01:26:51,893
Speaker 2: even with a bit of mold on it.

1801
01:26:52,612 --> 01:26:55,492
Speaker 4: Toaster. The toaster will deal to a little bit of mold.

1802
01:26:55,652 --> 01:26:57,452
Speaker 5: You're a hard man. I thought you meant they're going

1803
01:26:57,492 --> 01:26:59,133
Speaker 5: to chug out the whole of the whole loaf, But

1804
01:26:59,253 --> 01:27:00,013
Speaker 5: you don't even let them.

1805
01:27:01,732 --> 01:27:05,692
Speaker 21: It is only pillin bloom that you get on bread.

1806
01:27:06,452 --> 01:27:09,492
Speaker 2: How weak are we We think about our ancestors just

1807
01:27:09,612 --> 01:27:11,852
Speaker 2: walking around eating anything they could get their hand on,

1808
01:27:11,933 --> 01:27:14,453
Speaker 2: And now is so so precious.

1809
01:27:14,692 --> 01:27:17,052
Speaker 5: There's like seven cents worth of bread that one slice.

1810
01:27:17,213 --> 01:27:20,133
Speaker 5: Just chuck that out, No toast.

1811
01:27:19,933 --> 01:27:27,852
Speaker 3: It you, that's your problem, I will say.

1812
01:27:27,933 --> 01:27:30,492
Speaker 5: I mean it actually happened. I was cooking dinner a

1813
01:27:30,612 --> 01:27:34,413
Speaker 5: few nights ago, and we'd only had about three potatoes

1814
01:27:34,452 --> 01:27:36,173
Speaker 5: that were fresh ready to go for my mash, and

1815
01:27:36,213 --> 01:27:37,492
Speaker 5: I needed a few more. So I looked in the

1816
01:27:37,532 --> 01:27:39,933
Speaker 5: back of the cupboard and found something that looked like

1817
01:27:40,013 --> 01:27:42,013
Speaker 5: from the scent of aliens, an old potato that had

1818
01:27:42,053 --> 01:27:43,572
Speaker 5: all these sprouts grown out of it. And I thought,

1819
01:27:43,853 --> 01:27:46,253
Speaker 5: because it's going in a mesh, I could just shave

1820
01:27:46,333 --> 01:27:48,972
Speaker 5: it off. It was a bit spongy, I'll just chop

1821
01:27:49,013 --> 01:27:51,572
Speaker 5: it up nicely, really fine, and it's going to be

1822
01:27:51,612 --> 01:27:53,693
Speaker 5: all good waste.

1823
01:27:53,652 --> 01:27:57,052
Speaker 21: Want we can't afford to do anything else.

1824
01:27:57,492 --> 01:27:59,773
Speaker 4: Really well, it's also disrespectful.

1825
01:28:00,452 --> 01:28:03,012
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a rabbit meat eater, I'm a carnivore,

1826
01:28:03,133 --> 01:28:07,733
Speaker 2: but I also think that wasting meat is kind of disrespectful.

1827
01:28:08,532 --> 01:28:10,973
Speaker 2: So I think it's your job to make sure you

1828
01:28:11,093 --> 01:28:13,173
Speaker 2: get through the meat and the time that you're willing

1829
01:28:13,213 --> 01:28:13,532
Speaker 2: to eat it.

1830
01:28:13,532 --> 01:28:14,612
Speaker 4: And if that involves me.

1831
01:28:15,053 --> 01:28:17,133
Speaker 2: Maybe having to spice something a little bit more, just

1832
01:28:17,213 --> 01:28:19,372
Speaker 2: so I can get it down me like our ancestors

1833
01:28:19,412 --> 01:28:22,013
Speaker 2: have done for the for the longest time. You know,

1834
01:28:22,452 --> 01:28:26,652
Speaker 2: if it's then that's better than this ultimate sacrifice of

1835
01:28:26,692 --> 01:28:30,213
Speaker 2: an animal ending up in the bin, you know. So

1836
01:28:30,293 --> 01:28:33,172
Speaker 2: I think ride the line for the for the universe.

1837
01:28:34,412 --> 01:28:36,892
Speaker 21: I have a friendly with a nurse and she did

1838
01:28:36,933 --> 01:28:40,053
Speaker 21: the SOO work out in South India for a long

1839
01:28:40,173 --> 01:28:44,612
Speaker 21: time before doing an our course. Well, she said to me, honestly,

1840
01:28:44,853 --> 01:28:47,333
Speaker 21: the food is so bad there, but the meat goes

1841
01:28:47,372 --> 01:28:50,253
Speaker 21: off so fast because people don't have fridges. That's why

1842
01:28:50,333 --> 01:28:53,772
Speaker 21: the curries are so hot, because A it tenderizes it

1843
01:28:53,933 --> 01:28:56,572
Speaker 21: and b if it was off, you cannot tell. You

1844
01:28:56,652 --> 01:28:58,333
Speaker 21: don't know if she gets the scripts anyway from the

1845
01:28:58,412 --> 01:28:59,532
Speaker 21: curry there.

1846
01:28:59,572 --> 01:29:03,412
Speaker 2: You go, well, well, I mean a lot of flavoring

1847
01:29:03,452 --> 01:29:05,772
Speaker 2: across a lot of food comes from having to hide

1848
01:29:06,612 --> 01:29:09,973
Speaker 2: it's a bit fast. And then it turns out that

1849
01:29:10,053 --> 01:29:12,932
Speaker 2: the flavoring was so good that we use that flavoring

1850
01:29:12,973 --> 01:29:13,452
Speaker 2: even when.

1851
01:29:13,372 --> 01:29:15,253
Speaker 4: We don't have rotten meat to hide.

1852
01:29:15,372 --> 01:29:17,093
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you so much for your call, and he

1853
01:29:17,173 --> 01:29:19,412
Speaker 5: I really appreciate it. This Texas says mate.

1854
01:29:19,812 --> 01:29:22,812
Speaker 2: I work in a cafe and take home chicken egg

1855
01:29:22,973 --> 01:29:26,133
Speaker 2: you name it, rolls, et cetera, and eat it long

1856
01:29:26,333 --> 01:29:28,972
Speaker 2: after it's used by date, as long as it's wrapped

1857
01:29:29,013 --> 01:29:31,173
Speaker 2: and glad wrap and refrigerated the right way.

1858
01:29:31,412 --> 01:29:34,173
Speaker 5: Yeah, good man. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is

1859
01:29:34,253 --> 01:29:36,652
Speaker 5: the number to call. Do we get a bit precious

1860
01:29:36,692 --> 01:29:39,133
Speaker 5: when it comes to expiry dates and best before? How

1861
01:29:39,213 --> 01:29:40,933
Speaker 5: far do you push it? Love to hear from you.

1862
01:29:41,173 --> 01:29:43,492
Speaker 2: I think mold is a new thing. I never saw

1863
01:29:43,532 --> 01:29:46,973
Speaker 2: it as a child. No, mold has been around for

1864
01:29:47,053 --> 01:29:47,412
Speaker 2: long time.

1865
01:29:47,452 --> 01:29:49,812
Speaker 5: No, I'm pretty sure mold is pretty ancient.

1866
01:29:50,013 --> 01:29:51,293
Speaker 4: Well, I think mold is coming.

1867
01:29:51,173 --> 01:29:54,732
Speaker 2: Back because you need to take vogels, which is just

1868
01:29:55,372 --> 01:29:56,812
Speaker 2: the you know, the best of breads.

1869
01:29:56,973 --> 01:29:57,492
Speaker 5: It's tasty.

1870
01:29:57,532 --> 01:29:59,532
Speaker 4: I'm a huge fan of vogels. Just vogels.

1871
01:30:00,933 --> 01:30:06,372
Speaker 2: It takes a lifetime, an entire age from to toast,

1872
01:30:06,572 --> 01:30:09,293
Speaker 2: especially if you bring it from frozen that's days, yea.

1873
01:30:10,013 --> 01:30:12,213
Speaker 2: But once it's toasted and you put butter on it,

1874
01:30:12,253 --> 01:30:14,013
Speaker 2: it's the greatest thing in the world. But because one

1875
01:30:14,053 --> 01:30:15,932
Speaker 2: of the things that makes it so great is it's

1876
01:30:16,093 --> 01:30:19,333
Speaker 2: lack of preservatives, et cetera. So your vogels isn't going

1877
01:30:19,372 --> 01:30:23,253
Speaker 2: to get It's almost a signal that it's good quality

1878
01:30:23,293 --> 01:30:26,093
Speaker 2: bread if it gets molded quickly. Yeah, So you know,

1879
01:30:26,173 --> 01:30:29,532
Speaker 2: the more preservatives then, you know, and the less good

1880
01:30:29,612 --> 01:30:31,333
Speaker 2: for you the bread is, the quicker it's going to

1881
01:30:31,933 --> 01:30:33,812
Speaker 2: the longer it's going to stay without mold.

1882
01:30:33,973 --> 01:30:35,892
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've noticed that with my old plowman's up here,

1883
01:30:35,933 --> 01:30:38,173
Speaker 5: actually Plowman's down in christ Church that will last a

1884
01:30:38,253 --> 01:30:41,333
Speaker 5: good couple of weeks up here. Humidity, you're lucky to

1885
01:30:41,333 --> 01:30:42,173
Speaker 5: get three days out of it.

1886
01:30:42,532 --> 01:30:46,852
Speaker 2: Really well, vogels toast it, toast it, even if it's

1887
01:30:46,853 --> 01:30:51,333
Speaker 2: got a civilization's growing on it, because it's so disgusting.

1888
01:30:51,013 --> 01:30:52,093
Speaker 5: Mass murderer, toast it.

1889
01:30:56,812 --> 01:31:01,972
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call eight on News Talk.

1890
01:31:01,853 --> 01:31:05,293
Speaker 5: SV Afternoon Cheer. We're talking about expiry dates and best before.

1891
01:31:05,372 --> 01:31:07,532
Speaker 5: Do we get too precious in this country when it

1892
01:31:07,612 --> 01:31:10,092
Speaker 5: comes to those things. We check out so much food,

1893
01:31:10,412 --> 01:31:12,612
Speaker 5: So do we need to just push it a little

1894
01:31:12,652 --> 01:31:14,212
Speaker 5: bit further than the authority?

1895
01:31:14,293 --> 01:31:14,452
Speaker 9: Say?

1896
01:31:14,772 --> 01:31:17,412
Speaker 2: Hey, I was joking before when I said that I

1897
01:31:17,532 --> 01:31:19,692
Speaker 2: might get calls to be canceled this hour like I

1898
01:31:19,732 --> 01:31:22,452
Speaker 2: did last year. Yeah, last hour, But there is a

1899
01:31:22,492 --> 01:31:25,492
Speaker 2: call here. High guys eating bread with molders, buddy, stupid,

1900
01:31:25,933 --> 01:31:28,812
Speaker 2: You can get sick. Leading to people believe it's okay

1901
01:31:29,013 --> 01:31:31,372
Speaker 2: is not great ideas, hanwe that's not it. That's the

1902
01:31:31,412 --> 01:31:31,852
Speaker 2: different one.

1903
01:31:31,933 --> 01:31:33,532
Speaker 4: Oh hear it is? Sorry, I read the wrong one.

1904
01:31:33,572 --> 01:31:34,612
Speaker 4: I read the wrong hate text.

1905
01:31:35,412 --> 01:31:37,732
Speaker 2: Matt is a total idiot and should be reported under

1906
01:31:37,732 --> 01:31:40,213
Speaker 2: health and safety. Bread mold is not penicillin, and it

1907
01:31:40,293 --> 01:31:43,972
Speaker 2: contains toxins even if toasted. Do you research you total more.

1908
01:31:43,893 --> 01:31:46,652
Speaker 5: On yeaph Nah? Hard enough, hard enough.

1909
01:31:46,532 --> 01:31:49,732
Speaker 2: If you can't handle the mold that grows on bread

1910
01:31:50,452 --> 01:31:52,852
Speaker 2: once it's been toasted, and you know, once it's been

1911
01:31:52,853 --> 01:31:55,092
Speaker 2: through the toaster, it's been nuked, all the bad stuff

1912
01:31:55,213 --> 01:31:56,693
Speaker 2: in there, all the toxins.

1913
01:31:56,412 --> 01:31:57,893
Speaker 5: Probably just cook the hell out of it.

1914
01:31:57,973 --> 01:32:00,093
Speaker 4: But how weak are we? If you can't handle a

1915
01:32:00,173 --> 01:32:03,253
Speaker 4: bit of mold on your bread? Then are you too

1916
01:32:03,293 --> 01:32:04,052
Speaker 4: weak for this world?

1917
01:32:04,213 --> 01:32:06,972
Speaker 5: A lot of bubble boys out there? Maybe, yeah, tea,

1918
01:32:07,133 --> 01:32:07,492
Speaker 5: how are you?

1919
01:32:08,973 --> 01:32:12,652
Speaker 6: Yeah? Good good boys? What a beautiful Friday and the

1920
01:32:12,652 --> 01:32:14,253
Speaker 6: weather's out lovely?

1921
01:32:14,973 --> 01:32:18,412
Speaker 4: Just about you are you? We're about to you tap.

1922
01:32:19,772 --> 01:32:23,052
Speaker 6: Just finishing from work, leads heating home now my homes

1923
01:32:23,093 --> 01:32:27,692
Speaker 6: three addrosiads are trainers of the conversation and talking about

1924
01:32:27,812 --> 01:32:31,133
Speaker 6: expired food dates. Yeah, you know, And I'm actually a

1925
01:32:31,213 --> 01:32:34,852
Speaker 6: big advatan on that because obviously we we're obviously re

1926
01:32:34,853 --> 01:32:37,532
Speaker 6: asession now and zero point nine percent of the GDP,

1927
01:32:38,093 --> 01:32:40,652
Speaker 6: you know, so we're all about tidying email belts. But

1928
01:32:41,492 --> 01:32:44,253
Speaker 6: I'm a bit of a gym junkie, and all my

1929
01:32:44,572 --> 01:32:47,372
Speaker 6: expired foods I actually buy a protein part about a

1930
01:32:47,452 --> 01:32:51,133
Speaker 6: year or two years expiring. I've done a little bit

1931
01:32:51,173 --> 01:32:53,652
Speaker 6: of research on it, but literally, like it's all you

1932
01:32:54,013 --> 01:32:56,213
Speaker 6: like and fauna and I refuse to pay one hundred

1933
01:32:56,293 --> 01:32:59,213
Speaker 6: dollars on the club, but I can pretty much put

1934
01:32:59,293 --> 01:33:01,692
Speaker 6: up protein part of for about fifty or sixty dollars

1935
01:33:01,732 --> 01:33:02,532
Speaker 6: and it's still good.

1936
01:33:03,013 --> 01:33:04,572
Speaker 4: Where do you get get from? Where do you where

1937
01:33:04,612 --> 01:33:07,692
Speaker 4: do you get the expired protein bout? I want to

1938
01:33:07,692 --> 01:33:08,013
Speaker 4: get on this?

1939
01:33:09,333 --> 01:33:12,372
Speaker 6: Yeah you can. You can go to your local to

1940
01:33:12,492 --> 01:33:16,133
Speaker 6: your local supermarket, lot supermarket by your protein. Something went shot.

1941
01:33:16,412 --> 01:33:18,173
Speaker 6: What I'm finding it now, I've been doing it for

1942
01:33:18,253 --> 01:33:21,972
Speaker 6: about three years. What I'm finding now is there it's

1943
01:33:22,013 --> 01:33:25,492
Speaker 6: getting harder to actually buy buy a protein. Part of

1944
01:33:25,853 --> 01:33:28,573
Speaker 6: what they do now is they're more pushing it online

1945
01:33:29,053 --> 01:33:31,812
Speaker 6: and now only like push it to maybe three months

1946
01:33:31,933 --> 01:33:34,692
Speaker 6: or maybe six months expiring, and their super still and

1947
01:33:34,772 --> 01:33:37,852
Speaker 6: then once it's quite clear it's mom plinny, I'm struggling,

1948
01:33:38,013 --> 01:33:40,253
Speaker 6: like I'm like wow, you know, but I'm missing to

1949
01:33:40,333 --> 01:33:43,013
Speaker 6: the lady before I'm the scene as well. If it's

1950
01:33:43,013 --> 01:33:44,852
Speaker 6: got a bit of mold on the cheese, you know,

1951
01:33:44,973 --> 01:33:47,973
Speaker 6: I just cut it off the bread, you know. But

1952
01:33:48,093 --> 01:33:50,213
Speaker 6: I used to actually leads. I used to actually quite

1953
01:33:50,293 --> 01:33:52,612
Speaker 6: fathom because I think my recket might be a little bit.

1954
01:33:52,692 --> 01:33:55,173
Speaker 6: I'm in my thirties, you know, I'm all about fighting

1955
01:33:55,213 --> 01:33:57,812
Speaker 6: in myself. But I used to follow two girls on

1956
01:33:58,093 --> 01:34:03,173
Speaker 6: Instagram and they were from overseas. One was French and

1957
01:34:03,293 --> 01:34:05,972
Speaker 6: the other one was Irish. And I used to fathom

1958
01:34:06,013 --> 01:34:08,652
Speaker 6: because they had a part time job, and the time

1959
01:34:08,772 --> 01:34:11,812
Speaker 6: job in the weekends was they were feeding a lot

1960
01:34:11,853 --> 01:34:14,532
Speaker 6: of the commercial pigs. So I think a lot of

1961
01:34:14,572 --> 01:34:18,293
Speaker 6: the supermarkets they had vegis and all products they used

1962
01:34:18,333 --> 01:34:21,772
Speaker 6: to go off, you know, from countdown packing save they

1963
01:34:21,893 --> 01:34:24,412
Speaker 6: see it seemed for the commercial funds, but these goals

1964
01:34:24,532 --> 01:34:27,652
Speaker 6: used to help, you know, feed these pigs and literally

1965
01:34:27,933 --> 01:34:31,093
Speaker 6: I used to send them how much good food that

1966
01:34:31,372 --> 01:34:33,173
Speaker 6: you know that we're just going to the pigs. I

1967
01:34:33,293 --> 01:34:35,892
Speaker 6: was like wow, watching these stories, I could literally look

1968
01:34:35,933 --> 01:34:39,812
Speaker 6: at the tomatoes, you know, and they were basically brand new,

1969
01:34:40,013 --> 01:34:46,012
Speaker 6: you know, you know, and especially quite it's quite sad.

1970
01:34:46,173 --> 01:34:49,013
Speaker 6: So like if you look at the reality a you know,

1971
01:34:49,412 --> 01:34:52,612
Speaker 6: like with us being in this, you know, it's literally

1972
01:34:52,732 --> 01:34:56,973
Speaker 6: it's so sad that the pigs literally eat better than us,

1973
01:34:57,732 --> 01:35:01,412
Speaker 6: you know, like it's like wow, you know, and like people,

1974
01:35:01,572 --> 01:35:04,093
Speaker 6: I know, it's tough out there at the moments. You know,

1975
01:35:04,213 --> 01:35:06,333
Speaker 6: people are cutting their belts, you know. By man, it's

1976
01:35:06,652 --> 01:35:08,652
Speaker 6: when you say that the pigs actually beat it. They're

1977
01:35:08,652 --> 01:35:11,973
Speaker 6: eating though humids in and I think, wow, what more

1978
01:35:12,013 --> 01:35:12,492
Speaker 6: can you say?

1979
01:35:13,173 --> 01:35:16,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's not good. That it's definitely not good.

1980
01:35:16,853 --> 01:35:19,412
Speaker 2: But I know exactly what you're saying to you because

1981
01:35:19,973 --> 01:35:22,053
Speaker 2: you know, every year in London, I think it is,

1982
01:35:22,133 --> 01:35:24,892
Speaker 2: they have that big Bank banquet which is all food

1983
01:35:24,893 --> 01:35:25,532
Speaker 2: out of the rubbish.

1984
01:35:25,692 --> 01:35:27,052
Speaker 5: Yeah right, the skip divers.

1985
01:35:27,293 --> 01:35:28,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they dive in the skip and they put

1986
01:35:28,933 --> 01:35:32,452
Speaker 2: on this beautiful banquet for you know. It's not the

1987
01:35:32,532 --> 01:35:35,772
Speaker 2: met Gala, but it's a similar level of celebrity turning

1988
01:35:35,853 --> 01:35:37,412
Speaker 2: up and eating this food. Just to make the point

1989
01:35:37,492 --> 01:35:39,973
Speaker 2: that so much food is thrown out because we are

1990
01:35:40,053 --> 01:35:42,932
Speaker 2: idiots that we need our food to look incredible before

1991
01:35:42,933 --> 01:35:44,452
Speaker 2: we eat it. Not only do we want it to

1992
01:35:44,492 --> 01:35:46,852
Speaker 2: taste good and be healthy and needs to look incredible,

1993
01:35:46,933 --> 01:35:49,732
Speaker 2: So people will throw it at a broccoli just because

1994
01:35:49,772 --> 01:35:50,892
Speaker 2: it's a bit limp.

1995
01:35:51,213 --> 01:35:53,093
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's getting you know how broccoli gets a little

1996
01:35:53,133 --> 01:35:53,412
Speaker 4: bit limp.

1997
01:35:53,532 --> 01:35:55,973
Speaker 5: Just give it a we spray, we spray with a water, Just.

1998
01:35:56,133 --> 01:35:58,933
Speaker 2: Fry it out up out of it, cover it and

1999
01:35:59,013 --> 01:36:02,812
Speaker 2: paprika or Moroccan flavoring. Yeah, bloody, good to go.

2000
01:36:03,093 --> 01:36:04,933
Speaker 5: That will sort. Yeah, what do you say though? I

2001
01:36:05,133 --> 01:36:07,013
Speaker 5: one hundred and eighty ten eighties, But it's quite a

2002
01:36:07,013 --> 01:36:07,692
Speaker 5: bit of pushback.

2003
01:36:08,452 --> 01:36:10,093
Speaker 4: Yeah, but Craig is with me.

2004
01:36:10,293 --> 01:36:11,852
Speaker 2: Guys, if it doesn't crawl out of the fridge when

2005
01:36:11,893 --> 01:36:13,173
Speaker 2: you open the door, then no worries.

2006
01:36:13,333 --> 01:36:15,772
Speaker 5: Good on you, Craig. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten

2007
01:36:15,853 --> 01:36:18,772
Speaker 5: eighty is the number to call best before on expiry dates?

2008
01:36:18,853 --> 01:36:20,612
Speaker 5: Do you care? Do you push the envelope? Are we

2009
01:36:20,732 --> 01:36:22,132
Speaker 5: too precious in this country?

2010
01:36:24,812 --> 01:36:27,852
Speaker 15: Jews Talk said the headlines We's blue bubble taxis it's

2011
01:36:27,893 --> 01:36:31,173
Speaker 15: no trouble with a blue bubble. Nikola Willis is fending

2012
01:36:31,213 --> 01:36:34,692
Speaker 15: off criticism from former finance ministers Sir Roger Douglas and

2013
01:36:34,853 --> 01:36:38,892
Speaker 15: Ruth Richardson about failures in her economic approach. She says

2014
01:36:38,973 --> 01:36:41,812
Speaker 15: both of their suggested approaches could be the wrong thing

2015
01:36:41,933 --> 01:36:45,293
Speaker 15: to do for voters and the economy. A forty two

2016
01:36:45,333 --> 01:36:47,652
Speaker 15: year old woman's been charged with lighting the fire that

2017
01:36:47,812 --> 01:36:51,933
Speaker 15: destroyed the old Seaview Hospital and Asylum and Hawkertica. The

2018
01:36:52,053 --> 01:36:54,612
Speaker 15: complex was consumed in a massive fire in the early

2019
01:36:54,692 --> 01:36:58,173
Speaker 15: hours of the morning last month. A three vehicle crash

2020
01:36:58,253 --> 01:37:01,932
Speaker 15: involving a truck has closed northbound lanes and Auckland's Southern

2021
01:37:01,973 --> 01:37:05,333
Speaker 15: Motorway at Green Lane since John says one person's been

2022
01:37:05,372 --> 01:37:08,732
Speaker 15: taken to hospital in a serious condition. There are serious

2023
01:37:08,812 --> 01:37:13,293
Speaker 15: delays disappointment. The killings of three Sea Lions continues to

2024
01:37:13,372 --> 01:37:16,652
Speaker 15: go unsolved, despite a large reward on offer as the

2025
01:37:16,732 --> 01:37:19,213
Speaker 15: last day for anyone with information on deaths and the

2026
01:37:19,293 --> 01:37:22,173
Speaker 15: catalans last year to come forward, with the Sea Lion

2027
01:37:22,253 --> 01:37:26,052
Speaker 15: Trust offering a fifty thousand dollars reward plus Jimmy Kimmel's

2028
01:37:26,093 --> 01:37:30,012
Speaker 15: suspension shows Trump's success at bringing media to heal see

2029
01:37:30,053 --> 01:37:33,573
Speaker 15: the story at enzid Herald Premium. Back to Matton Tyler.

2030
01:37:33,452 --> 01:37:36,492
Speaker 5: Thank you very much. Wendy getting some great texts coming

2031
01:37:36,572 --> 01:37:39,293
Speaker 5: through on expiry dates and best before days.

2032
01:37:39,412 --> 01:37:42,652
Speaker 2: I'm getting some angry texts coming through from home. Please

2033
01:37:42,732 --> 01:37:45,372
Speaker 2: do Can I share some discussions on the food topic? Absolutely,

2034
01:37:45,612 --> 01:37:47,612
Speaker 2: did you eat my jam donut protein ball?

2035
01:37:47,812 --> 01:37:48,412
Speaker 4: Says Tracy?

2036
01:37:49,053 --> 01:37:49,293
Speaker 5: Did you?

2037
01:37:50,013 --> 01:37:52,213
Speaker 2: I just wondered, yes, sorry, and then I said I

2038
01:37:52,253 --> 01:37:55,013
Speaker 2: felt bad this how much from backtracking because when I

2039
01:37:55,173 --> 01:37:58,812
Speaker 2: ate her her jam donut protein ball I knew that

2040
01:37:58,893 --> 01:38:01,052
Speaker 2: it was too delicious and that she was probably really

2041
01:38:01,093 --> 01:38:03,372
Speaker 2: looking forward to it. Yea, So she says, did you

2042
01:38:03,452 --> 01:38:05,213
Speaker 2: eat my jam donut protein ball?

2043
01:38:05,293 --> 01:38:06,253
Speaker 4: I said yes? Sorry?

2044
01:38:06,853 --> 01:38:10,532
Speaker 2: Next text, I felt bad. Next text, but was so hungry.

2045
01:38:11,173 --> 01:38:14,293
Speaker 2: Yax text it was great. Next text, I didn't know

2046
01:38:14,333 --> 01:38:18,452
Speaker 2: there was just one. Next text, bad Matt. Then she

2047
01:38:18,572 --> 01:38:21,092
Speaker 2: said I was saving it. But that's okay.

2048
01:38:21,732 --> 01:38:25,532
Speaker 4: I said, I'll buy you something nice and Fiji. She says,

2049
01:38:25,532 --> 01:38:28,093
Speaker 4: you could have had mini snacks. Many are out.

2050
01:38:29,973 --> 01:38:32,452
Speaker 5: It does sound real good, the gem doughnut protein ball.

2051
01:38:32,532 --> 01:38:33,333
Speaker 5: That sounds delicious.

2052
01:38:33,372 --> 01:38:36,053
Speaker 4: What should I say? And what it's like? There's plenty

2053
01:38:36,053 --> 01:38:38,412
Speaker 4: of moldy bread and bread and the fridge toast some

2054
01:38:38,492 --> 01:38:38,852
Speaker 4: of that up.

2055
01:38:39,492 --> 01:38:39,652
Speaker 7: Love.

2056
01:38:39,893 --> 01:38:41,572
Speaker 5: There's some old spungs in the back of the cupboard.

2057
01:38:42,013 --> 01:38:44,492
Speaker 4: There's some rider gets best by a chicken.

2058
01:38:46,253 --> 01:38:48,132
Speaker 5: Just fry the hell of it. You'll be right anyway.

2059
01:38:48,412 --> 01:38:50,932
Speaker 2: My brother says the text that puts kinner out until

2060
01:38:50,973 --> 01:38:55,052
Speaker 2: the sun out in the sun until the spike start

2061
01:38:55,093 --> 01:38:57,372
Speaker 2: to fall off, and then eats them. The smell would

2062
01:38:57,372 --> 01:38:58,012
Speaker 2: make you chune.

2063
01:38:58,053 --> 01:38:59,572
Speaker 5: Oh, that is feeral.

2064
01:38:59,812 --> 01:39:02,572
Speaker 2: There are some people that are very strong stomachs. I

2065
01:39:02,652 --> 01:39:04,492
Speaker 2: think there's some of us that are evolved to eat

2066
01:39:05,253 --> 01:39:08,372
Speaker 2: more rotten and moldy food than others. Yeah, absolutely, And

2067
01:39:08,492 --> 01:39:10,772
Speaker 2: I think your brother is one of those those people.

2068
01:39:10,812 --> 01:39:12,732
Speaker 2: But didn't they used to be thinking one hundred year eggs?

2069
01:39:13,013 --> 01:39:14,372
Speaker 5: Yes, yep, they still exist.

2070
01:39:14,532 --> 01:39:16,972
Speaker 4: Yes, so they're just rotten, old, stinky old eggs.

2071
01:39:17,213 --> 01:39:20,372
Speaker 5: And the old Scandinavians they love some fermented fish. Was

2072
01:39:20,412 --> 01:39:23,412
Speaker 5: it struban, struban doorgan, something like that stub dog.

2073
01:39:23,572 --> 01:39:27,372
Speaker 2: That's amazing, pretty close, gents, Before Best before Day is

2074
01:39:27,372 --> 01:39:30,173
Speaker 2: a quality thing use used by date as food safety.

2075
01:39:30,213 --> 01:39:33,293
Speaker 2: The difference of the two salt is a good preservative

2076
01:39:33,572 --> 01:39:34,412
Speaker 2: for meat.

2077
01:39:34,812 --> 01:39:35,253
Speaker 4: I'm hungry.

2078
01:39:35,412 --> 01:39:38,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, good, thank you, Chris. Old cans of food is

2079
01:39:38,732 --> 01:39:39,773
Speaker 2: your wheelhouse?

2080
01:39:40,933 --> 01:39:41,133
Speaker 22: Yep?

2081
01:39:42,492 --> 01:39:43,973
Speaker 5: And what do you reckon? How far do you push them?

2082
01:39:44,013 --> 01:39:47,372
Speaker 5: What's the oldest can of food that you've cracked open?

2083
01:39:48,652 --> 01:39:50,892
Speaker 22: I tell the truth.

2084
01:39:50,973 --> 01:39:51,532
Speaker 7: I couldn't.

2085
01:39:51,933 --> 01:39:54,372
Speaker 22: I couldn't put a date on it. But the original

2086
01:39:54,492 --> 01:39:57,412
Speaker 22: stuff had pound sellings and pens on it. I've got

2087
01:39:57,492 --> 01:40:03,093
Speaker 22: a the High Country and the mates that always given

2088
01:40:03,133 --> 01:40:07,812
Speaker 22: me absolute uh hate. I'm a red here, so I

2089
01:40:07,893 --> 01:40:12,093
Speaker 22: got a bit of Scotch than me, and they just

2090
01:40:12,213 --> 01:40:14,772
Speaker 22: give me hates the fact that they've got pound shillings

2091
01:40:14,812 --> 01:40:17,572
Speaker 22: and scents on the cans. But of all things, natured

2092
01:40:17,612 --> 01:40:20,572
Speaker 22: top two of them. They didn't, Rusty. Out of all things,

2093
01:40:20,612 --> 01:40:22,572
Speaker 22: the old mice got on top and peed on them

2094
01:40:22,572 --> 01:40:25,333
Speaker 22: and made them. But Rusty and my friends are up there. Oh,

2095
01:40:25,372 --> 01:40:27,133
Speaker 22: we cleaned out your turbots for you and threw them

2096
01:40:27,173 --> 01:40:30,372
Speaker 22: all away. And I said, no, that's nostalgia. You don't

2097
01:40:30,372 --> 01:40:35,093
Speaker 22: get tarra soup anymore and stuff like that. So yeah,

2098
01:40:35,253 --> 01:40:36,972
Speaker 22: I don't throw stuff away.

2099
01:40:38,133 --> 01:40:38,812
Speaker 4: You remember.

2100
01:40:38,812 --> 01:40:41,612
Speaker 2: I remember that story because I'm a huge Shackleton found fan.

2101
01:40:41,692 --> 01:40:44,372
Speaker 2: When they when they were looking through Nimrod's hut, there's

2102
01:40:44,412 --> 01:40:46,452
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of cans, isn't there there's peace soup,

2103
01:40:46,973 --> 01:40:47,772
Speaker 2: apricot jam.

2104
01:40:47,853 --> 01:40:48,572
Speaker 4: I believe there was.

2105
01:40:49,173 --> 01:40:49,412
Speaker 7: There was.

2106
01:40:50,133 --> 01:40:52,012
Speaker 4: There was like chutney and corn beef.

2107
01:40:52,053 --> 01:40:54,612
Speaker 5: Even it was a fruitcake they found, Look a fruitcake.

2108
01:40:54,612 --> 01:40:56,692
Speaker 2: It's ninety seven. I think the corn beef was still

2109
01:40:57,013 --> 01:41:00,732
Speaker 2: good to go from ninety oh seven. Canning food is

2110
01:41:00,772 --> 01:41:05,012
Speaker 2: a fantastic invention. And just I think, Chris, that people

2111
01:41:05,093 --> 01:41:07,372
Speaker 2: are using cans less now than they used to.

2112
01:41:07,412 --> 01:41:08,973
Speaker 4: Would that be right? Have you noticed that?

2113
01:41:11,133 --> 01:41:13,532
Speaker 22: I still I like the fact that I've got some

2114
01:41:13,612 --> 01:41:16,173
Speaker 22: months to fly food up. If something went wrong down here,

2115
01:41:16,253 --> 01:41:18,412
Speaker 22: I know I can go up high Country and there's

2116
01:41:18,412 --> 01:41:20,732
Speaker 22: a good month to fly food there. Yeah, some of

2117
01:41:20,772 --> 01:41:22,692
Speaker 22: it will be well passed. Who's by date? But if

2118
01:41:22,732 --> 01:41:23,852
Speaker 22: I'm a homegoing I want to eat it.

2119
01:41:24,133 --> 01:41:25,213
Speaker 5: Yeah, nicely said, and.

2120
01:41:25,213 --> 01:41:25,932
Speaker 4: Good on you, Chris.

2121
01:41:27,213 --> 01:41:30,852
Speaker 2: This text says, Tyler, you're the problem. Toast the moldy bread.

2122
01:41:30,973 --> 01:41:33,052
Speaker 2: Toast it, I mean with bread.

2123
01:41:33,093 --> 01:41:35,532
Speaker 5: I can understand that, but genuinely so, I've got some

2124
01:41:35,692 --> 01:41:38,532
Speaker 5: chicken and it's a little bit green. Can I I

2125
01:41:38,572 --> 01:41:41,013
Speaker 5: can kill everything just by cooking the cooking the hell

2126
01:41:41,013 --> 01:41:41,572
Speaker 5: out of it.

2127
01:41:41,652 --> 01:41:42,053
Speaker 4: That's the thing.

2128
01:41:42,133 --> 01:41:44,293
Speaker 2: Once it's gone up to one hundred degrees, everything's dead.

2129
01:41:44,652 --> 01:41:45,572
Speaker 2: Everything that can kills you.

2130
01:41:45,692 --> 01:41:46,532
Speaker 4: Dead is dead.

2131
01:41:46,973 --> 01:41:48,932
Speaker 2: Just go for it, and then it just becomes a tasting.

2132
01:41:49,412 --> 01:41:51,892
Speaker 2: Once you've had salmonella a couple of times, says Bill,

2133
01:41:51,973 --> 01:41:54,732
Speaker 2: you built up an immunity, So rotten chicken is like

2134
01:41:54,853 --> 01:41:55,533
Speaker 2: a vaccines.

2135
01:41:56,452 --> 01:41:57,972
Speaker 4: So long as you make it through.

2136
01:41:59,572 --> 01:42:03,132
Speaker 5: Just give yourself food. You survive, you'll be stronger.

2137
01:42:04,213 --> 01:42:06,532
Speaker 4: Why are you eating that rotten chicken. I'm trying to

2138
01:42:06,572 --> 01:42:07,693
Speaker 4: build up my immunity.

2139
01:42:08,372 --> 01:42:08,933
Speaker 5: I love it.

2140
01:42:09,933 --> 01:42:14,612
Speaker 19: Dave fail you, hey, hey, do So first of all,

2141
01:42:14,973 --> 01:42:17,532
Speaker 19: is that you know I'm not a microbologist. I've had

2142
01:42:17,893 --> 01:42:20,933
Speaker 19: I've done some papers in micro and whatnot impressive. I

2143
01:42:21,013 --> 01:42:22,932
Speaker 19: can tell you that one hundred degrees does not kill

2144
01:42:22,973 --> 01:42:29,013
Speaker 19: everything by any means. And no, for example, Kenning, you've

2145
01:42:29,013 --> 01:42:31,692
Speaker 19: got to you had, it's all about an equivalent number.

2146
01:42:32,333 --> 01:42:34,892
Speaker 19: And so you hear this, ninety nine point nine percent

2147
01:42:35,013 --> 01:42:37,452
Speaker 19: kill all the bugs and your sanitizer. That's what would

2148
01:42:37,452 --> 01:42:40,253
Speaker 19: call a free decimal reduction. So if you've got a thousand,

2149
01:42:40,572 --> 01:42:43,692
Speaker 19: it would go down to one. Okay, but in micro

2150
01:42:43,853 --> 01:42:45,932
Speaker 19: terms we're talking, you know, tend to the power of eight,

2151
01:42:46,013 --> 01:42:47,492
Speaker 19: tend to the power of ten, So we go down

2152
01:42:47,532 --> 01:42:49,213
Speaker 19: to ten to the power of five and it would

2153
01:42:49,213 --> 01:42:52,293
Speaker 19: grow back. So a free decimal reduction does sweat fall,

2154
01:42:52,612 --> 01:42:55,372
Speaker 19: whereas in canning to make it safe, you're doing a

2155
01:42:55,452 --> 01:42:57,732
Speaker 19: twelve decimal reduction to make sure people don't die of

2156
01:42:58,293 --> 01:42:59,812
Speaker 19: costried in botil item toxins.

2157
01:42:59,933 --> 01:43:02,213
Speaker 4: So they how was the process to do that, Dave?

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Speaker 4: How do they get it that?

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01:43:03,692 --> 01:43:03,892
Speaker 10: Well?

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01:43:04,612 --> 01:43:05,453
Speaker 4: That nukes.

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01:43:07,333 --> 01:43:10,652
Speaker 19: Effectively putting them retort it under pressure, and when you

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01:43:10,772 --> 01:43:15,293
Speaker 19: do that, you're able to effectively kill more at the

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01:43:15,612 --> 01:43:20,093
Speaker 19: in the same du old time. Okay, And so now

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01:43:21,572 --> 01:43:24,852
Speaker 19: what I would say is that I don't know, you

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01:43:24,893 --> 01:43:27,692
Speaker 19: know what toxins that the mold on a bread would make,

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01:43:27,812 --> 01:43:31,492
Speaker 19: if any. But if it's making it a mold that's

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01:43:31,572 --> 01:43:34,093
Speaker 19: you know, that's heat resistant, then you know putting it

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01:43:34,133 --> 01:43:37,492
Speaker 19: through the toaster won't kill it. Right now, you can

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01:43:37,532 --> 01:43:39,412
Speaker 19: google it. You probably should because you might have somebody

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01:43:39,452 --> 01:43:41,612
Speaker 19: out there and right now that's you know, well, I've

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01:43:41,612 --> 01:43:43,093
Speaker 19: got a little bit of mold on my toast, I'm

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01:43:43,093 --> 01:43:45,492
Speaker 19: going to I'll look the hell out of it and

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01:43:45,572 --> 01:43:47,293
Speaker 19: then eat it. I don't think it would be a problem,

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01:43:47,372 --> 01:43:49,213
Speaker 19: because you know, otherwise you'd have a shipload of people

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01:43:49,253 --> 01:43:51,532
Speaker 19: getting sick. But I don't know. But what I can

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01:43:51,652 --> 01:43:54,333
Speaker 19: tell you is is that one hundred degrees does not

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Speaker 19: kill everything. And even one hundred degrees you then have

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01:43:57,692 --> 01:44:02,093
Speaker 19: the dual time to pasteurization sixty five degrees for fifteen seconds, right,

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01:44:02,973 --> 01:44:05,773
Speaker 19: so sixty five degrees for one second, your milk's not pasteurized.

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01:44:06,372 --> 01:44:09,812
Speaker 19: But it's not just about temperature, about time, and then

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01:44:09,853 --> 01:44:11,892
Speaker 19: it's about the resistance of the bacteria that you're trying

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01:44:11,933 --> 01:44:12,213
Speaker 19: to kill.

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01:44:12,692 --> 01:44:15,412
Speaker 2: Now, Dave, My thing on this though, is that, like

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01:44:16,372 --> 01:44:18,133
Speaker 2: you know, and this is something my son said to

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01:44:18,173 --> 01:44:19,572
Speaker 2: me the other day. He said, I just found out

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01:44:19,612 --> 01:44:22,652
Speaker 2: that it won't kill me. And this is what he

2187
01:44:22,772 --> 01:44:25,213
Speaker 2: thought because he had been the fear be put into him.

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01:44:25,213 --> 01:44:27,933
Speaker 2: So if you're all your risking is getting a bit

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01:44:28,093 --> 01:44:30,652
Speaker 2: sick or having a bit of an explosion out the

2190
01:44:30,692 --> 01:44:33,173
Speaker 2: back end because of what you've eaten, then maybe it's

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01:44:33,213 --> 01:44:35,612
Speaker 2: worth pushing to pushing the line every now and then,

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Speaker 2: as opposed to the idea of throwing out food and

2193
01:44:38,772 --> 01:44:42,412
Speaker 2: wasting and as I said before, insulting the universe by

2194
01:44:42,572 --> 01:44:44,333
Speaker 2: an animal dying for you to eat and you just

2195
01:44:44,412 --> 01:44:47,732
Speaker 2: hiffing it out. So you know, like maybe maybe the

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01:44:48,293 --> 01:44:50,612
Speaker 2: one hundred degrees doesn't kill everything at all, but it

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01:44:50,772 --> 01:44:54,732
Speaker 2: might give you enough that your your system and can

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01:44:54,812 --> 01:44:56,452
Speaker 2: fight off the bacteria and you survive.

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Speaker 4: If you see what I'm.

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01:44:57,612 --> 01:45:01,293
Speaker 19: Saying, well bosted in bochulanam you won't fight it off

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01:45:01,492 --> 01:45:04,253
Speaker 19: all right, So you know there will be a fatality rate.

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01:45:04,253 --> 01:45:08,772
Speaker 19: And there's plenty of things out there. For example, if

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01:45:08,853 --> 01:45:13,493
Speaker 19: you eat a very old chicken, it's not just salmonella

2204
01:45:13,532 --> 01:45:16,293
Speaker 19: that could get there. But you know, salmonella is givele taken.

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01:45:16,372 --> 01:45:18,133
Speaker 19: I can't remember the exact numbers, but you know it's

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01:45:18,133 --> 01:45:20,333
Speaker 19: a very high number of chicken. So if you eat

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01:45:20,372 --> 01:45:22,572
Speaker 19: your chicken it's not cooked properly, you've got a ninety

2208
01:45:22,572 --> 01:45:26,812
Speaker 19: percent chance of you know, picking up salmon ala poisoning.

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Speaker 19: And I don't think it's something that your immune system

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01:45:30,053 --> 01:45:33,053
Speaker 19: develops to I e. You know, if you eat add

2211
01:45:33,133 --> 01:45:35,012
Speaker 19: chicken today and get sick and do it again next week,

2212
01:45:35,412 --> 01:45:36,932
Speaker 19: you'll probably have the same outcome.

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01:45:37,732 --> 01:45:37,892
Speaker 6: Right.

2214
01:45:38,053 --> 01:45:42,053
Speaker 19: So all on the purpose of the call was you

2215
01:45:42,133 --> 01:45:43,772
Speaker 19: know A is to clarify that you know, I'm not

2216
01:45:43,812 --> 01:45:47,133
Speaker 19: a microbiologist. I've got enough training on certain things, et cetera.

2217
01:45:47,652 --> 01:45:49,532
Speaker 19: Is to just make that make sure that people do

2218
01:45:49,692 --> 01:45:52,133
Speaker 19: realize that you know, there's things out there that you know,

2219
01:45:52,213 --> 01:45:55,213
Speaker 19: they are nasty at the same time, don't be silly

2220
01:45:55,253 --> 01:45:57,813
Speaker 19: about it. And oh my god, I've got to sanitize

2221
01:45:57,853 --> 01:46:00,812
Speaker 19: my hands before I before I eat because it might

2222
01:46:00,933 --> 01:46:03,372
Speaker 19: kill me. Well, that's probably doing sweet and doing a

2223
01:46:03,412 --> 01:46:04,012
Speaker 19: little anyway.

2224
01:46:04,253 --> 01:46:07,132
Speaker 5: Really, is there an argument, Dave, that we are getting

2225
01:46:07,452 --> 01:46:10,933
Speaker 5: weaker with oremmune systems because we are overly cautious. I

2226
01:46:11,053 --> 01:46:12,932
Speaker 5: listened to a study and they were looking at children's

2227
01:46:12,973 --> 01:46:16,412
Speaker 5: immune systems and found that those who live in farms

2228
01:46:16,452 --> 01:46:18,852
Speaker 5: and live near animals and eat food that may be

2229
01:46:18,893 --> 01:46:21,333
Speaker 5: a little bit past it's used by date had far

2230
01:46:21,452 --> 01:46:24,013
Speaker 5: better immune systems and those children living in cities that

2231
01:46:24,173 --> 01:46:27,173
Speaker 5: don't face those same germs on a regular basis.

2232
01:46:28,732 --> 01:46:28,932
Speaker 13: Yeah.

2233
01:46:29,013 --> 01:46:32,293
Speaker 19: So I wouldn't be commenting from from you know, knowing

2234
01:46:32,333 --> 01:46:34,692
Speaker 19: for sure, but I am aware of those types of

2235
01:46:35,412 --> 01:46:39,333
Speaker 19: you know, research, et cetera, And personally I believe that

2236
01:46:39,692 --> 01:46:41,892
Speaker 19: there's there is a degree of truth to it. Then

2237
01:46:41,933 --> 01:46:43,213
Speaker 19: you have to go and look at the papers and

2238
01:46:43,732 --> 01:46:46,452
Speaker 19: look at it properly. But no doubt is that there

2239
01:46:46,572 --> 01:46:48,572
Speaker 19: is a lot of things out there where you do

2240
01:46:48,853 --> 01:46:53,212
Speaker 19: develop natural immunity too after going for a bad experience.

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01:46:53,253 --> 01:46:55,452
Speaker 19: But you know, the people that run around and try

2242
01:46:55,492 --> 01:46:58,053
Speaker 19: to have measles part or months parties or whatever they are.

2243
01:46:58,213 --> 01:47:02,452
Speaker 19: You know, that's that is literally insane, right, So you

2244
01:47:02,532 --> 01:47:06,612
Speaker 19: know it's microorganisms. They there's there's plenty out there that

2245
01:47:06,692 --> 01:47:09,612
Speaker 19: can do that can do plenty of down there, you know,

2246
01:47:10,093 --> 01:47:14,213
Speaker 19: more seafish for example, sea food for example. You know

2247
01:47:14,532 --> 01:47:17,133
Speaker 19: you've got to be really careful to make sure you can.

2248
01:47:17,452 --> 01:47:20,732
Speaker 19: You wouldn't let an oyster. You wouldn't need an oyster

2249
01:47:20,812 --> 01:47:22,692
Speaker 19: after three weeks, that's for sure, because it will kill you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that fair enough, Dave, Yeah, thank you very much.

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01:47:26,093 --> 01:47:28,093
Speaker 2: So now that's annoying because I was going to have

2252
01:47:28,173 --> 01:47:30,612
Speaker 2: an have chicken Tatucky for dinner tonight.

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01:47:30,812 --> 01:47:33,652
Speaker 5: Sounds nice, but I won't green chicken tentucky.

2254
01:47:34,053 --> 01:47:36,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, I won't be having the chicken takaki. After what

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01:47:36,452 --> 01:47:37,492
Speaker 2: Dave said, that makes sense.

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01:47:38,452 --> 01:47:40,452
Speaker 5: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the Nuther call.

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01:47:40,452 --> 01:47:42,852
Speaker 5: We're going to play some messages, but plenty of texts

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01:47:42,853 --> 01:47:44,213
Speaker 5: coming through on this. We'll get to a few of

2259
01:47:44,253 --> 01:47:46,972
Speaker 5: those very shortly. It is fourteen to four guys.

2260
01:47:47,053 --> 01:47:49,053
Speaker 2: Some of the things you're saying are irresponsible.

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01:47:49,772 --> 01:47:54,173
Speaker 4: Thanks even a fresh take on talk back.

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01:47:54,372 --> 01:47:57,732
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons have your say

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01:47:57,853 --> 01:48:00,333
Speaker 1: on eight hundred eighty eight Talk.

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01:48:00,293 --> 01:48:02,173
Speaker 5: Dead b It is twelve to four.

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01:48:02,893 --> 01:48:03,852
Speaker 4: Great text here, Matt.

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01:48:03,933 --> 01:48:05,973
Speaker 2: We went to the Ross Sea last year on the

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01:48:06,133 --> 01:48:10,092
Speaker 2: Expedition cruise, went to Scott's and Shackleton's hut. Mind bling

2268
01:48:10,213 --> 01:48:12,772
Speaker 2: have you seen the book called Endurance, The Discovery of

2269
01:48:12,772 --> 01:48:17,253
Speaker 2: Shackleton's Legendary Ship by John Shears and Nico Vincent. Beautiful

2270
01:48:17,293 --> 01:48:19,972
Speaker 2: book worth buying. The trip was well deth worth doing,

2271
01:48:20,053 --> 01:48:23,333
Speaker 2: but very expensive. Yess, I read so many Shackleton books.

2272
01:48:23,772 --> 01:48:26,372
Speaker 2: I'm completely obsessed with that story. And I tried to

2273
01:48:26,412 --> 01:48:28,172
Speaker 2: pitch to my partner that we go on a holiday

2274
01:48:28,253 --> 01:48:30,812
Speaker 2: this very cruise, but she said, the last thing I

2275
01:48:30,893 --> 01:48:33,532
Speaker 2: want to do is be pisting around the ice just

2276
01:48:33,612 --> 01:48:35,612
Speaker 2: so you can get excited about.

2277
01:48:35,372 --> 01:48:36,253
Speaker 4: Shackleton, your hero.

2278
01:48:36,452 --> 01:48:37,492
Speaker 5: It'd be Disneyland for you.

2279
01:48:37,853 --> 01:48:40,732
Speaker 2: But this holiday I will be making the Endurance Lego said.

2280
01:48:40,732 --> 01:48:44,213
Speaker 2: I bought a huge Shackleton fan, so loved that text.

2281
01:48:44,333 --> 01:48:44,772
Speaker 5: How good.

2282
01:48:45,053 --> 01:48:47,213
Speaker 2: My grandfather used to eat mold off the jam and

2283
01:48:47,293 --> 01:48:48,613
Speaker 2: tell me best penicillain.

2284
01:48:48,692 --> 01:48:54,412
Speaker 7: This get a day, guys, it's been a while, Hey, Liza,

2285
01:48:54,452 --> 01:48:56,772
Speaker 7: I'd like to put in a word from maple syrup.

2286
01:48:57,173 --> 01:48:57,492
Speaker 5: Please.

2287
01:48:57,893 --> 01:48:59,572
Speaker 6: We long ago.

2288
01:48:59,893 --> 01:49:02,452
Speaker 7: I was a kid at primary school mate and it

2289
01:49:02,612 --> 01:49:06,612
Speaker 7: was like nineteen sixty six or thereabout, and we ended

2290
01:49:06,692 --> 01:49:09,732
Speaker 7: up with this bottle of maple syrup. And I'm not

2291
01:49:09,812 --> 01:49:13,532
Speaker 7: sure that we necessarily liked it. Well maybe there was

2292
01:49:13,612 --> 01:49:16,492
Speaker 7: just a strong dose of procrastinationgo. But it sat in

2293
01:49:16,572 --> 01:49:20,052
Speaker 7: our fridge year after year. After it survived a couple

2294
01:49:20,133 --> 01:49:24,333
Speaker 7: of fridges. My parents shifted up to Walkland in nineteen

2295
01:49:24,532 --> 01:49:27,613
Speaker 7: eighty nine and the maple syrup bottle.

2296
01:49:27,452 --> 01:49:28,173
Speaker 6: Came with them.

2297
01:49:28,572 --> 01:49:35,253
Speaker 4: Yes years. I love that, I know.

2298
01:49:35,452 --> 01:49:38,253
Speaker 7: And then we started eating the stuff and we did

2299
01:49:38,412 --> 01:49:41,213
Speaker 7: consume it eventually, and it was just great. I think

2300
01:49:41,333 --> 01:49:44,013
Speaker 7: our palets had changed, but it was like on bananas

2301
01:49:44,213 --> 01:49:47,053
Speaker 7: and coasts and ice cream or whatever. And look, you

2302
01:49:47,093 --> 01:49:49,293
Speaker 7: know what, after all that time, there were no side

2303
01:49:49,333 --> 01:49:53,333
Speaker 7: effects whatsoever. Parts of the occasional involuntary outburst of O

2304
01:49:53,652 --> 01:49:55,772
Speaker 7: Canada as well.

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01:49:57,093 --> 01:49:58,692
Speaker 4: Good on you, Dave. What a great story.

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01:49:59,133 --> 01:50:01,812
Speaker 2: If you want to know, like his proof that the

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01:50:02,013 --> 01:50:04,692
Speaker 2: best before and the use by dates are corrupt is

2308
01:50:04,732 --> 01:50:08,692
Speaker 2: that they have them on the water bottles that has

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01:50:08,812 --> 01:50:12,293
Speaker 2: been on the planet and salt. Yeah, some people texting

2310
01:50:12,372 --> 01:50:14,452
Speaker 2: through that there is used by date on their Humilatian salt.

2311
01:50:14,532 --> 01:50:17,812
Speaker 2: That's millions of years old by the time that you

2312
01:50:17,973 --> 01:50:20,173
Speaker 2: eat it, and suddenly that's because they want you to

2313
01:50:20,253 --> 01:50:22,372
Speaker 2: throw it out and buy another one. Hey, boys, boys,

2314
01:50:22,452 --> 01:50:25,093
Speaker 2: my wife has a fridge absolutely jammed with leftovers. She

2315
01:50:25,133 --> 01:50:27,772
Speaker 2: will eat days old chicken, moldy cheese, beech troup that

2316
01:50:27,853 --> 01:50:31,293
Speaker 2: dried up days ago, last weekend's potato salad, anything else

2317
01:50:31,372 --> 01:50:34,412
Speaker 2: in there, always on a soft old crusket with watery

2318
01:50:34,452 --> 01:50:36,892
Speaker 2: old cottage cheese. It'll be here and the cock croaches

2319
01:50:37,013 --> 01:50:39,973
Speaker 2: left in the end. It cracks the kids and I

2320
01:50:40,293 --> 01:50:42,412
Speaker 2: up that she has never been sick from it.

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01:50:42,572 --> 01:50:42,892
Speaker 4: Sheers.

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01:50:43,093 --> 01:50:47,213
Speaker 2: Shane Go from Cooper's Beach. What a legend your partner

2323
01:50:47,532 --> 01:50:48,852
Speaker 2: is a great New Zealand.

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01:50:48,933 --> 01:50:52,053
Speaker 5: Yeah, fantastic, right, It is nine to four back in

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01:50:52,093 --> 01:50:52,532
Speaker 5: a month.

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01:50:53,253 --> 01:50:56,612
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2327
01:50:56,973 --> 01:51:00,772
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams Afternoons used

2328
01:51:00,812 --> 01:51:03,013
Speaker 1: talks that'd be it is.

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01:51:03,093 --> 01:51:03,732
Speaker 5: Six to four.

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01:51:04,333 --> 01:51:06,812
Speaker 2: Well, my lesson from the show today is question everything,

2331
01:51:06,893 --> 01:51:09,972
Speaker 2: even the best by dates on your first anyway, thank

2332
01:51:10,013 --> 01:51:12,892
Speaker 2: you so much for listening to the show this week.

2333
01:51:12,973 --> 01:51:17,333
Speaker 2: Everyone being a great week so many incredible calls and texts, yes,

2334
01:51:17,412 --> 01:51:20,132
Speaker 2: and we like to celebrate our great callers. And yesterday

2335
01:51:20,173 --> 01:51:22,452
Speaker 2: we were talking about the demise of local newspapers because

2336
01:51:22,452 --> 01:51:25,133
Speaker 2: Facebook community groups have become the place you find out

2337
01:51:25,133 --> 01:51:27,452
Speaker 2: about the local happenings. And we had a call from Jimma,

2338
01:51:27,492 --> 01:51:29,932
Speaker 2: who was one of those hard working Admonds on one

2339
01:51:29,973 --> 01:51:30,732
Speaker 2: of those groups.

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01:51:31,173 --> 01:51:34,452
Speaker 23: It's quite a good job actually being an admind. I

2341
01:51:34,692 --> 01:51:37,452
Speaker 23: try and like create a culture with it that it's

2342
01:51:37,612 --> 01:51:41,733
Speaker 23: not like a winge page people getting out their pitchforks

2343
01:51:41,772 --> 01:51:44,412
Speaker 23: about things and stuff like that. There is a lot

2344
01:51:44,452 --> 01:51:46,892
Speaker 23: of stuff where people have their opinions, and that's fine

2345
01:51:47,013 --> 01:51:49,293
Speaker 23: as long as they're not being abusive. But yeah, you

2346
01:51:49,333 --> 01:51:51,652
Speaker 23: would laugh at some of the things. A dog walked

2347
01:51:51,692 --> 01:51:54,812
Speaker 23: on my lawn at three o'clock yesterday. But I'm really

2348
01:51:54,973 --> 01:51:57,932
Speaker 23: passionate about it. I care about Arachn a lot.

2349
01:51:58,532 --> 01:52:00,452
Speaker 2: She's an awesome person and she's letting me into her group.

2350
01:52:00,492 --> 01:52:01,733
Speaker 2: So I'm following everything.

2351
01:52:01,492 --> 01:52:03,333
Speaker 4: In the Ara Town community.

2352
01:52:03,532 --> 01:52:06,173
Speaker 2: Hazy powerful here The dup of c Ellen's up next.

2353
01:52:07,013 --> 01:52:09,692
Speaker 2: But right now, my good friend Tyler, why am I

2354
01:52:09,812 --> 01:52:10,772
Speaker 2: playing the song.

2355
01:52:10,732 --> 01:52:13,612
Speaker 5: George Michael Freed ninety.

2356
01:52:13,572 --> 01:52:16,492
Speaker 2: I actually got no idea because we were talking about

2357
01:52:16,572 --> 01:52:19,172
Speaker 2: freedom of speech for two bloody hours.

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01:52:19,253 --> 01:52:21,852
Speaker 5: Tyler, that's right, what a Wilwood show, But what a

2359
01:52:21,893 --> 01:52:22,333
Speaker 5: great song.

2360
01:52:22,412 --> 01:52:24,532
Speaker 2: All right, Tyler and I are away next week, so

2361
01:52:24,652 --> 01:52:27,172
Speaker 2: Tim Roxbell will be running the show with our fantastic

2362
01:52:27,253 --> 01:52:30,692
Speaker 2: producer Andrew. So until next week, you're great New Zealand,

2363
01:52:30,732 --> 01:52:32,692
Speaker 2: and wherever you are, whatever you are doing.

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01:52:33,333 --> 01:53:28,572
Speaker 4: Give him a taste of key. We love you, Matt

2365
01:53:28,772 --> 01:53:29,293
Speaker 4: and Tyler.

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01:53:32,213 --> 01:53:34,772
Speaker 1: For more from us, Talk st B, listen live on

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01:53:34,933 --> 01:53:37,852
Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever

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01:53:37,933 --> 01:53:40,492
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