1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,239 Speaker 1: Three D principles Bill gets another routing. Today David Tumill 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: was accepted a request from Nati Tower to debate that 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: The invitation came from the EE leader Helmet Modlika a 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: couple of months ago. The event's going to be screaming tonight. 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,159 Speaker 1: The act leader, David Seymour is with us. David, very 6 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: good morning to. 7 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: You, Good morning mate. 8 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: Is it a proper debate with rules of engagement in 9 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: the time framers? It are free for all. 10 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: Well, if you've ever watched the Working Group podcast, they 11 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: have four people too, are kind of hosts, Martin Bradbury, 12 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 2: the former Radio it's those people. God, but look they've 13 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: also got Damian Grant, who I'm sure, yeah, yeah. So look, 14 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: it's a bit free flowing to be there. But I 15 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: think it's actually a really good format because it allows 16 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 2: people to make their points. It's a bit of fun 17 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: and it sounds like it's going to be similar casts 18 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: by insied Me. The Herald's website are in z on 19 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: Sky eighty three and just about everyone who's got anything 20 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: kind of vaguely digital tonight. 21 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,639 Speaker 1: You should have got David Higgins and how to pay 22 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: for you? 23 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: Well, actually, if i'd thought about that if this one 24 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: goes well and see if we can capitalize. 25 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: Does the Twain ever meet here? I mean, it's such 26 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: rightly or wrongly, whatever side you're on, it's such an 27 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: angsty debate now, isn't it. 28 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 2: I don't. I think that's true. But the people that 29 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: have been making the most noise are not the people 30 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: that you want. And that's why I accepted a debate 31 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 2: with Helmut that I've met in quite a few times 32 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 2: at dinner a few times. There are actually reasonable thinking 33 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: people who are just saying, look, you know, we need 34 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: to figure out how to make this country work. And 35 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 2: of course, you know, Helmet has some different views to 36 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: me in some sense, but I just believe it has 37 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 2: to come back to equal rights for all New Zealanders, 38 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: and the treaty provides for that. So I think it's 39 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: going to be a good discussion, and I think it 40 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: will be a model for what can happen with us 41 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 2: Treaty Principles Bill, because ultimately there are people that want 42 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: it to be all bad, and we can't have an opinion, 43 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: and we shouldn't be able to say anything because we're 44 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: not experts. But I actually think that New Zealand needs 45 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: to mature a little bit to the point where ordinary 46 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: people can have an opinion about their country's constitutional future. 47 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: That'd be nice. Well go well Ton, I appreciate it. 48 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: David Seemore, the act Leader, with us this morning. For 49 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news 50 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: talks there'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the 51 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio.