1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Is Khaleide your mate? Tim? 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 2: I might have been of Youdom oncewed to the concert 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 2: when it was spark Arena. 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: Pretty good, so interesting. I remember you telling me the 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: story about you interviewing Khaleid and how much you loved him, 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: And yet here's such a short time, lady, you can't 7 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: even barely remember the guy. 8 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 2: Here's the deal. Our first kid took away ninety percent 9 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: of my memory. The second one took away ninety percent 10 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: of the ten percent that's left. What's your name. 11 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: Again, exactly, Cadie? How are you? 12 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 3: I'm excellent, Thank you very much. 13 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 4: And I just I would have asked Brendan McCullum about 14 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 4: that on it, because he might have actually forgot I 15 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 4: had forgotten about that, and he may also have forgotten 16 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 4: about that. 17 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 3: It's like khale Until he raised it, I was like, oh, 18 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:46,319 Speaker 3: that's right. 19 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: I remember Garth Tellois. I hope Garth is prot Goth 20 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: a problem with me telling him stories about Garth galloways, 21 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: Garth the lawyer is probably going to ssume me. But 22 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: I remember Garth telling me he goes his words were, 23 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: and I was really heartbroken by it, and he said, 24 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: you realize heartbroken? Well, no, it was because do you know, 25 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: you know context, no. 26 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: Exactly exact because here's the thing case I thought we 27 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: were going to get, you know, when it's like Brendan 28 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 2: McCullum wouldn't speak to me. I thought we were going 29 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 2: to get a plumbing of the depths of Mike's heart. 30 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: But it just turned out to be another I was right. 31 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: Are you familiar with those? 32 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 3: It was going? I knew that's this is going to end, 33 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 3: and I was right. 34 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 4: But what I think I was right was he started 35 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 4: it with one of my life's great sadnesses, and I thought, well, 36 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 4: if that is an over egging something, I'm not sure 37 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 4: what it's a great life sadness that Brendan mcullum wouldn't 38 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 4: talk to you this it's no. 39 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: So think about it from my point of view, from 40 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: a professional point of view, right, there are certain people 41 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: in the world that you enjoy talking to, or you 42 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: want to talk to, or you'd like to think that 43 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: would talk to you, or you know what I'm saying. 44 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: So from from a job's point of view, and so 45 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who could go, look, 46 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: I'm never talking to you again. I can give a 47 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: monkeys not completely celebrate the fact, they'll never have them 48 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: on the program again. But he was like, he's a 49 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: bright guy, and he's insightful, and he's successful, and you 50 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: think I'd like to have a relationship with him, you know, 51 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: so that because there will be a point down the 52 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: track where he does something substantive, and wouldn't it be 53 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: good to be able to touch base with him? And 54 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: that was curtailed, and so especially when the British thing 55 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: came along, I thought I'd love to be able to 56 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: talk to him about that. But you know, Garth said, 57 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: you realize he's never going to talk to you again, 58 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: and I thought, so, anyway, it seems to have come right. 59 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: He's moved on. You've moved on. We all forgot about 60 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 2: it until you remembered it. 61 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 4: Did Sam give you any insights when you turn up 62 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 4: at three o'clock and said, wait, what's he doing on 63 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 4: the show? 64 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: What I found out? 65 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 3: Yeah? 66 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: No, that's funny. You should say that, because Jason the 67 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: boss was and he reads the setup the night before 68 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: and he go, he was surprised. You just told her 69 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: he was surprised that he was on. Sam was away 70 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: yesterday and didn't have any inkling of what was going on. 71 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: The show. And so I said to Sam this morning, 72 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: I said, what's the story of the McAll? And men, 73 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: he guys wouldn't have the slightest idea. I've been away. 74 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: You know how people go away for a day, they 75 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: take a day off, and they come back and pretend 76 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: that nothing's happened. 77 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: And there's a lot of that. He was getting the 78 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 2: dog's fade eight and a half hours in the car. 79 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: Let me tell you about the story about the spain. Sok, Sammy, 80 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: Now this is what is Katie? What is Sammy? Sammy's 81 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: a millennial? Is he a gen Z? To Jennel for 82 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: what is he? 83 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 3: I think he's a millennial? 84 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so that's the problem with millennials. 85 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be at the top, it'd be at the 86 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: bottom end of millennial almost gen z, I think so. 87 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: And this is the problem with these people. So he 88 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: count afford a dining table. He can't afford a dining table, 89 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: but he can afford nineteen thousand dollars for a cockadoodle doo. 90 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: And so he goes and buys a pure bread dog. 91 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: And so part of the deal was he has to 92 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: take the dog back to the special vet that they 93 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: had requested, which happens to be in another town hours away. 94 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: And I said to Sammy, I said, you do realize 95 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: this is the Ponzi scheme, don't you that the breeder 96 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: flicks the money off to the bit and the whole 97 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: thing's dodged. Yes, because the dog's getting spait. It's not 98 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: brain it's not it's not brain surgery. He's not having 99 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: a heart transplant. He's just getting spade. So he sets 100 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: off at four thirty yesterday morning, and then this and 101 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: GTR and all the way, hours and hours and hours 102 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: in the traffic, and then of course you dropped the 103 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: dog off and the dog's going to have a several 104 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: hour operation, then several hours of recovery. So Sam's just 105 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: wandering around the mountains and the cafes and the beaches 106 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: were just filling in time. And then he's got to 107 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: pick the dog up and then he's going to take 108 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: it all the way back to walking. So he was 109 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: on the road yesterday sixteen hours. It was a sixteen 110 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: hour day in the GDR along with the operation just 111 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: for this dunk dog and the Ponzi skim you bought Hm. 112 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 2: Could couldn't he have done? Couldn't he have done. I mean, 113 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: what seems a bit slack here, Mike. I mean, if 114 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 2: he's why is he wandering around the mountains and drinking coffee? 115 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: Could have done a bit of set up for you. 116 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: Couldn't have couldn't agree that there was phone coverage. He 117 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: could have set Brendan McCallum up exactly. But anyway, we 118 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: had exactly, we had the villains, we had the fillin's doing. 119 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: And what a great job the fillains did. They got me, 120 00:04:55,160 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: Brendan McCallum, the greatest interview that I hadn't done. I forget, 121 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: forget about peace between Israel and Gaza. 122 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 2: Leenda McCallum, my asking. 123 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: Say no more? Sixteen hours and a GTR Mike, how 124 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: can you afford the fuel cheaper to buy a dining table? 125 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: That's what I keep telling him. For goodness sake, Sam, 126 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: is there a warranty on the dog or something? Just 127 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: go to an event? 128 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 2: What to keep telling it? 129 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: Young ones won't listen allway, Guys, I've. 130 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 3: Got a You might have Brendan McCullum ons side, but 131 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 3: you don't have me. Because this week I might need 132 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 3: to hire your Garth Galloway. 133 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 4: I might need to hire a lawyer because I notice, 134 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 4: actually I didn't notice because I was on court at 135 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 4: the time, but the boss. 136 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 5: In court on court rackets, and the boss sent me 137 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 5: a link to an interview you did with the head 138 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 5: of the BSA where you threw me right under the 139 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 5: bus and said, you're taking up a shoe with Sean 140 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 5: Plunketts whatever platform. 141 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 4: What if I want to take issue and go to 142 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 4: court over my wife's Instagram And she said, well, that's interesting, 143 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 4: And you said, what if she's out in the field 144 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 4: saying what Sean's saying, which car suspersions that I would 145 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 4: ever do such a thing. 146 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 3: And she goes, well, that's interesting, that's something we would have. 147 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 3: Why would you flag. 148 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: My Instagram mediation required here to what I'm saying. What 149 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Tim, and I think you'll agree with me 150 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: on this is I wasn't suggesting Katie would go down 151 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: the sewn Plunket track, because who does? And look where 152 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: it's got them. What I was suggesting is Katie's big 153 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: on Instagram. She's got a very large Instagram following. And 154 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: therefore is that is she do? And is that a 155 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: radio show or the equivalent of a radio show? And 156 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: is a sort of thing they would look at as 157 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: a radio program and therefore potentially ping Hercules. 158 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 2: Says she was about whether the BSA has jurisdiction over 159 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 2: the Internet or just telliccommunications based communications, and that's yeah, yeah. 160 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: And Glenn, I think yes, Glenn makes a very good 161 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: point if they did look at Katie's Instagram as a 162 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: radio program a lot. There are two things on Katie's 163 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: Instagram that would be problematic for the BSA. One of 164 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: the nudes of me, and the other one is the Warriors. 165 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: It is the Warriors video of me swearing and swearing 166 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: and so well, it's well. 167 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: It's also the drinking. It's the drinking, drinking and swearing 168 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,239 Speaker 2: blind a lot better and the lunity. 169 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot there that it would be upheld. 170 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 4: But I think the best part of that interview actually 171 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 4: was when she said she knows how intimidating it is 172 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 4: for people to receive a letter from the BSA and 173 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 4: you burst out laughing brightly. 174 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 3: So at that point she. 175 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: Got carried away with how important they think they might. 176 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: Be and they're not. 177 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: Do you know. 178 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: We sat down, we're in the in the news break, 179 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: and we would talk. I asked, I said, when was 180 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: the last time this company had one of those decisions 181 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: in the BSA that actually counted for something, you know, 182 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: In other words, somebody here did something egregious and they 183 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: had to come back with a fine or so. And 184 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: when there was silence in the room, we couldn't think 185 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: of one. They suggested that there was a year ago 186 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: one of the stations down the stairs did something stupid 187 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: and that was it. So I mean, you've got to 188 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: ask the question whether the BSA is actually fit for 189 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: purpose of any use to anybody. And by and large 190 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: we regulate ourselves. Was in a very professional manner, and 191 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: there's no need for some sort of overlord to tell 192 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: us what to do and how to act. Is there. 193 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: Well, they certainly can't start policing the Internet. That's not 194 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 3: going to happen. 195 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 4: And I don't know that's the thing about wearing out, 196 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 4: but it's like it's going nowhere. 197 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: Surely no, is it, Because there's not much to do 198 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: in the telecommunications media. They are sort of looking around 199 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: into the Internet. 200 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: But I reckon they're playing politics. So I think what 201 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: it is to him is they're playing politics at the moment. 202 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: I think they're they're making a play for some sort 203 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: of relevancy. It's like the Mowbrays with this business of 204 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: the you know, the name suppression and the reality of 205 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: of of online stuff. You know, when TikTok is outing 206 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: somebody allegedly, whether legally or not, well, it's illegal, but 207 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: whether accurately or not. I mean the horse the horse bolted, 208 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: there's there's no there's no long k in Wellington with 209 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: a clipboard. Who's going to stopping at that, are they? 210 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 3: No? 211 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 4: That's exactly because it tiktoks of wash with misinformation, and 212 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 4: that's where young people get a lot of their news. 213 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 3: So that is actually really distinct. 214 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 4: I feel so bad that people have to come out 215 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 4: and defend themselves against that. 216 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: But but here's this is all premer This is all 217 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 2: premised on the fact that people actually believe what they 218 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 2: do on social media. I'm not I'm not I'm not. 219 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: I'm not convinced. I trust for at twenty twenty four 220 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: he always have one of the highest levels of distrust 221 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 2: of social media in the world. 222 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: No, and let me give me the example, Katie. Was 223 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: it you that was telling me the other day? Riba McIntyre. 224 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: Riba McIntire came out the other day how Old'sriver seventy something, 225 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: seventy one or two, whatever it is. Riba McIntire came 226 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: out the other day to deny the reports on social 227 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: media that she was pregnant. Because people believe she was pregnant. 228 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 3: That's because they did an AI video for holding up. 229 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's how stupid some people are. 230 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: And when you're dealing with that level of stupidity, how 231 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: do you fight that. 232 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 2: There's always look, there'll always be examples. But I do 233 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: I do. I have. I have a I guess a 234 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: confidence that New Zealanders can because we saw it. We're pragmatic. 235 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: People will sniff out bs just like just like Brendan 236 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: McCullen did. 237 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: Oh what sort of Macavelli you laugh? Was that at 238 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: the end, Actually, I tell you what. 239 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: I'll give you that. Actually it was. It was a 240 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: pause because I thought, actually, that's not a very good 241 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: line at all. It wasn't Macabellian. It was a recognition 242 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 2: of one's own lameness. 243 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: I'll give you a counter to Brinda McCallum, and that 244 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: was John Mayer. John Mayer was in the studio and 245 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: he said to me, you know, there's it was just 246 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: talking about relationships and people. You see again, you like that. 247 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: John Mayer said to me as he left the studio Gos, 248 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Mike, I know we're going to 249 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: meet again. And I thought, no, we're not. 250 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 2: No, not. I could see, I. 251 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: Could see, I could see right through it. I see. 252 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 1: I felt like saying, John, that's a line, you know, 253 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: it's a line You're never coming again, And to this 254 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: day he never has. 255 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,359 Speaker 2: Don't give me, don't give me your cheap, muscular American conviviality. 256 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 2: I know I'll never see you, but. 257 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: See, I felt bad about that because when I watched 258 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: them in the concert for the raising the money for 259 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 1: the Fires of Los Angeles, he was the highlight of 260 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: the show. And you just stood on stage, three guitars, 261 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: three songs, and he was phenomenal, And at that particular point, 262 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: I felt, yeah, he is tell and I felt at 263 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: that point I'd like to see John again, and I 264 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: hope he was honest, but I don't think he will. 265 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 2: Well. 266 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 4: Particular one of particularly sadness is for you that you 267 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 4: might not get to see John again, which wok it 268 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 4: up as another great sadness of. 269 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 2: Life sansor sitting it up now, sitting it up now. 270 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: He can't do it today because he's got the afternoon 271 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: off and a bit of a slash ell on Monday, 272 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: but apart from that he'll get to it as soon 273 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: as he can next week. Nice to see you guys, 274 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: Tim and Katie. They'll be back next week, will you. 275 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure they will. 276 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 2: For more from the Mike Asking Breakfast, listen live to 277 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: news talks. 278 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 3: It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast 279 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 3: on iHeartRadio.