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Speaker 1: So he's going to the polls tomorrow. It was close,

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Speaker 1: was close, elbows now pulled ahead. Will he lose his

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Speaker 1: majority though? Will he need the Greens? Does he need

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Speaker 1: to do some kind of deal the Tials? Who know

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Speaker 1: about the Tills a very big movement over there. The

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Speaker 1: founding member Zalie Stiegel, she took the seat from Tony Abatt,

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Speaker 1: remember that who had it for twenty five years. Azari's

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Speaker 1: with me this morning, Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, line.

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Speaker 1: So how do you think this is going to play out?

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Speaker 1: What chance do the Tills have? Do you think of

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Speaker 1: holding the balance of power after this?

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Speaker 2: Ah, that's a million dollar question many journalists are asking. Look,

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Speaker 2: I think what we can see is in austrange politics,

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Speaker 2: the confidence in the major parties keeps decreasing. People are

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Speaker 2: frustrated and over the old you know, politics for power.

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Speaker 2: They want to see a focus on policy on people

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Speaker 2: and communities, and so that primary vote keeps dropping for

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Speaker 2: the major parties, and we're seeing the rise of community independence,

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Speaker 2: you know, sometimes labeled tials that are all around the country,

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Speaker 2: in many, many communities. And I think it's about thirty

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Speaker 2: five candidates around the country now that have really decent

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Speaker 2: shots at changing the narratives in those people.

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Speaker 3: Who would you be most comfortable dealing with.

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm not particularly open to a deal per se.

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Speaker 2: I think I will look obviously the will of the

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Speaker 2: Astrand people. I will look at. An essential element for

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Speaker 2: me is stability, making sure we have good function in government.

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Speaker 2: The australiand people have very real issues they need dealing

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Speaker 2: cost of living, climate risk, insurance, you know, our national security.

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Speaker 2: All these issues need a stable hand. So I think

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Speaker 2: transition is really important to look for stability, but ultimately

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Speaker 2: I will tackle the issues as they come and on

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Speaker 2: their merits. So I have a very clear pitch to

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Speaker 2: my community around the issues that I will champion, right

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Speaker 2: from fiscal discipline and integrity, climate risk and these are

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Speaker 2: things that I will continue to look to legislation from

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Speaker 2: either major party to how we can best progress that. Now.

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Speaker 2: Obviously convention in Parliament has evolved towards this by polarized

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Speaker 2: system of the two party politics. But our convention doesn't

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Speaker 2: talk about political parties. It actually talks with a House

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Speaker 2: of Representatives. So the constitution actually allows for a very

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Speaker 2: different model of politics to evolve. And I think that's

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Speaker 2: what a mature Australian Parliament can look like is actually

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Speaker 2: having more genuine debate and genuinely looking at the the

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Speaker 2: issues we need to do for the best interest of

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Speaker 2: austrange people.

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Speaker 1: So you don't actually want to do a deal with anyone,

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Speaker 1: You don't want to be in a coalition, You don't

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Speaker 1: want to do confidence and supplier. You basically want to

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Speaker 1: sit on the cross benches and vote by vote.

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Speaker 2: I will tackle legislation on its merits looking at those issues. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: the question of supply and confidence will come down to

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Speaker 2: numbers as a result of the election, capacity to pass

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Speaker 2: legislation from one side or the other. When it comes

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Speaker 2: to money bills, there's a lot of I guess convention

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Speaker 2: that is not actually required Constitutionally. A party can go

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Speaker 2: to the Government General to form government without having a

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Speaker 2: signed deal per se. It is just a question of

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Speaker 2: whether they would be able to survive a no confidence motion.

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Speaker 2: Now again I would not for me. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: very important to have stable operating government and I think

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Speaker 2: that again will be part of the consideration post the election.

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Speaker 3: Just give us a sense of who the Teals are.

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Speaker 1: You're physically conservative that you've obviously got a climate leans

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Speaker 1: on you.

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Speaker 3: What does your voter base want from you?

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Speaker 2: Look, I guess we're very representative of our communities. But

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Speaker 2: what it is is actually communities frustrated with old style politics,

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Speaker 2: you know, the old school of the major parties slinging

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Speaker 2: it out against each other. A lot of negatives are advertising,

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Speaker 2: always really spreading smear and fear, but very little vision

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Speaker 2: or positive proposals for our community. So we are not

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Speaker 2: a party, so we vote very independently of one another,

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Speaker 2: but we're very aligned on values around merit based policy,

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Speaker 2: around fact base, around sound and good law, around integrity, equality,

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Speaker 2: addressing the big issues, having political courage to talk about

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Speaker 2: the things that are hard to do but that currently

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Speaker 2: road and not addressing.

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Speaker 1: Can you just make this really clear for Kiwi's listening

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Speaker 1: to this this morning. If it's really tight and you've

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Speaker 1: can actually govern them without support from some tilsome independence.

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Speaker 3: Who do you go with?

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Speaker 2: Well, again, I don't think that will be the question,

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Speaker 2: Keeping in mind coalition is already an agreement between the

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Speaker 2: Liberal Party and the National Time so that is already

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Speaker 2: a coalition in itself. I want to understand the terms

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Speaker 2: of that agreement. I think there will be a question

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Speaker 2: of is there a mandate for change of government or not,

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Speaker 2: depending on the will of the Australian people. And I

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Speaker 2: will be guided by the numbers and there are so

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Speaker 2: many variations what could be possible.

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Speaker 3: But however Australians support more, you would lean towards I.

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Speaker 2: Would because again that shows a capacity for stability, which

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Speaker 2: I think is an essense, That is an essential aspect.

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Speaker 1: All right, Zali, appreciate you coming on the program. That

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Speaker 1: Zalie Stiegel. She's the MP for Wringer. She replaced Tony

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Speaker 1: Abbott who had the seat for twenty five years. She's

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Speaker 1: a teel and independent. And since that interview, there's a

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Speaker 1: U Gava Bulb poll and if you believe the polls,

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Speaker 1: and certainly that wasn't the case when Scomo surprised Surprise

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Speaker 1: one in twenty nineteen, but it has the coalition on

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Speaker 1: track for their worst result in eighty years. Elbow actually

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Speaker 1: expanding his majority eighty four seats in the Parliament, well above,

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Speaker 1: of course, the seventy six that you need. The Coalition

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Speaker 1: drops forty seven seats, a net loss of eleven.

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