WEBVTT - The Resident Builder podcast: October 27, 2024 0:00:06.855 --> 0:00:10.055 You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter 0:00:10.135 --> 0:00:12.055 Wolfcamp from News Talks at Bay. 0:00:15.375 --> 0:00:16.055 Even when it. 0:00:16.135 --> 0:00:21.455 Stars, even when the grass is overgrown in the yard, 0:00:23.655 --> 0:00:28.055 even when the dog is too old to bar, and 0:00:28.135 --> 0:00:33.855 when you're sitting at the table trying not to start. 0:00:32.735 --> 0:00:37.015 Have scissor home, even when we leave. 0:00:36.895 --> 0:00:52.855 A band gone, even when you're there alone. The house 0:00:53.135 --> 0:00:57.895 is a hole, even when those goes, Even when. 0:00:57.735 --> 0:01:00.815 You got around from the world you love you most. 0:01:02.095 --> 0:01:07.815 You scream those broken paints feeling from the wood locals 0:01:07.895 --> 0:01:15.175 visible when they're kind of leaving nearbor house, even when 0:01:15.335 --> 0:01:19.935 wilbra Ben, even when you're there alone. 0:01:56.615 --> 0:02:01.055 Well, a very very good morning to you. On Labor weekend, 0:02:01.175 --> 0:02:04.295 not quite Labor Day, that's tomorrow, but it is a 0:02:04.335 --> 0:02:07.815 long weekend. It is well going to say it's springtime, 0:02:07.855 --> 0:02:10.375 but it doesn't really feel like spring, or is this 0:02:10.455 --> 0:02:13.895 typical for spring? Decent bit of rain in Auckland yesterday, 0:02:13.935 --> 0:02:16.255 I think, some flooding down in the Bay of Plenty 0:02:17.055 --> 0:02:20.695 area as well, or out around Hastings, I think. And 0:02:20.735 --> 0:02:24.095 then some friends send me pictures of fresh snow in 0:02:24.215 --> 0:02:27.695 Queenstown and around Wanaka. So we are in that sort 0:02:27.695 --> 0:02:32.095 of transition from winter to summer normally labor weekend, first 0:02:32.095 --> 0:02:34.855 opportunity for a while, first long weekend for a little while, 0:02:35.175 --> 0:02:37.695 to look towards summer and go right, I've got some 0:02:37.855 --> 0:02:40.375 jobs to do. I can get into the garden like 0:02:40.455 --> 0:02:44.175 I did on what day was it, Friday ahead of 0:02:44.215 --> 0:02:47.255 the sort of expected in clement weather on Saturday, which 0:02:47.335 --> 0:02:51.735 finally duly arrived. And you know, we're starting to look 0:02:51.775 --> 0:02:53.535 at what do I need to do now in order 0:02:53.575 --> 0:02:56.975 to get set up for Christmas, which I guess is 0:02:57.095 --> 0:02:59.255 just less than two months away, which is kind of 0:02:59.295 --> 0:03:03.575 scary when we start talking about that those sorts of dates. Anyway, 0:03:03.575 --> 0:03:05.735 if you've got a project that you would like some 0:03:05.775 --> 0:03:11.135 assistants with some advice around planning the project, some advice 0:03:11.295 --> 0:03:15.775 around selecting subcontractors, some advice around the type of materials, 0:03:15.775 --> 0:03:20.095 some advice around the sort of legislation that might impact 0:03:20.295 --> 0:03:25.215 on what you can and cannot do without necessarily requiring 0:03:25.255 --> 0:03:27.575 a building consent. In fact, that was part of my week. 0:03:28.175 --> 0:03:31.615 I was asked to sort of offer up an opinion 0:03:31.655 --> 0:03:35.375 as to some work that had been undertaken. And one 0:03:35.415 --> 0:03:37.495 of the things that I when I looked at it, 0:03:37.535 --> 0:03:40.535 I went, did you get a building consent for this work. No, 0:03:40.655 --> 0:03:42.775 we were told by the contractor that we didn't need 0:03:42.815 --> 0:03:46.615 a building consent, and I sort of had a sense that, well, 0:03:46.655 --> 0:03:48.735 it wasn't strictly building as and it wasn't a house, 0:03:48.735 --> 0:03:52.575 it was outside. I thought it did require a building 0:03:52.575 --> 0:03:55.215 consent because of the nature of the work. It was 0:03:55.255 --> 0:03:59.535 a retaining wall, it's vehicle surcharge on it, it was 0:03:59.615 --> 0:04:02.815 close to a boundary. Those two items in and of 0:04:02.855 --> 0:04:05.815 itself require a building consent or trigger the need for 0:04:05.855 --> 0:04:10.535 a building So now this kind of issue becomes also 0:04:10.615 --> 0:04:13.775 one about poor advice from a contractor. And there's been 0:04:13.775 --> 0:04:16.495 a number of those sorts of stories around at the moment. 0:04:16.575 --> 0:04:19.095 So if you've got issues with contractors, or issues with 0:04:19.135 --> 0:04:22.895 building materials, issues with counsel, and to be fair, that's 0:04:22.975 --> 0:04:25.775 not uncommon. We can talk about all of these things. 0:04:25.975 --> 0:04:28.095 If you've got a project that you're thinking, gosh, over 0:04:28.135 --> 0:04:30.375 the summer, I want to get this done, Well, now's 0:04:29.895 --> 0:04:33.375 the time to start planning. I remember many years ago 0:04:33.415 --> 0:04:38.735 talking with a very senior and experienced building survey. Building 0:04:38.775 --> 0:04:42.055 surveys are often called in towards the end of jobs, 0:04:42.175 --> 0:04:44.575 or when after a job is finished, to figure out 0:04:44.615 --> 0:04:49.535 why it's bad, basically why it hasn't gone well. And 0:04:49.895 --> 0:04:53.095 he said, look, in almost every single job that we 0:04:53.135 --> 0:04:55.935 get called to as building surveys, at the end of it, 0:04:56.415 --> 0:04:58.775 I arrive, I look around, and I go it all 0:04:58.855 --> 0:05:01.175 started with poor planning at the beginning. So if we 0:05:01.215 --> 0:05:03.975 can do some good planning, you'll get a good result. 0:05:04.375 --> 0:05:06.815 What's on the show today, Well, it's pretty much your 0:05:06.855 --> 0:05:09.495 show today, So it's eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. 0:05:09.775 --> 0:05:12.135 If you've got questions of a building nature, we can 0:05:12.175 --> 0:05:14.975 talk about that right through till just after eight o'clock. 0:05:15.295 --> 0:05:17.575 Had the opportunity to catch up with a gentleman by 0:05:17.575 --> 0:05:20.455 the name of Malcolm Fleming. He is the chief executive 0:05:20.575 --> 0:05:25.255 of Certified Builders New Zealand. And the reason I kind 0:05:25.255 --> 0:05:27.535 of reached out to them was that if you cast 0:05:27.535 --> 0:05:31.175 your mind back to some of the discussions around potentially 0:05:31.335 --> 0:05:34.335 rolling back the H one standard. This is Chris penk As, 0:05:34.335 --> 0:05:39.215 the Minister for Building and Construction, had got some advice 0:05:39.495 --> 0:05:43.095 from somewhere saying that we'll look, hey, if we're looking 0:05:43.135 --> 0:05:46.935 to save costs on New Zealand buildings, then it's kind 0:05:46.935 --> 0:05:50.655 of low hanging fruit the H one changes. That finally 0:05:50.735 --> 0:05:53.215 fully came into force in November of last year, so 0:05:53.295 --> 0:05:56.655 almost twelve months ago. They are adding significant cost, you 0:05:56.655 --> 0:05:58.895 could say, fifty thousand dollars off the cost of building 0:05:58.895 --> 0:06:02.655 a house by rolling back the H one changes to 0:06:02.735 --> 0:06:06.815 the previous iteration of that particular piece of legislation. What 0:06:06.975 --> 0:06:09.895 was fascinating is that a number of groups quickly put 0:06:09.935 --> 0:06:11.655 their hand up to say, actually, we don't think those 0:06:11.735 --> 0:06:13.975 numbers are right, and for a lot of different reasons, 0:06:14.175 --> 0:06:16.135 we don't think we should be winding back the H 0:06:16.175 --> 0:06:19.055 one changes. And you know, when the Green Building Council 0:06:19.095 --> 0:06:20.895 comes out and says that, you kind of go, oh, 0:06:20.975 --> 0:06:23.335 that's in your wheelhouse. It's not surprising that you would 0:06:23.335 --> 0:06:26.455 say that. But a number of other groups also came 0:06:26.535 --> 0:06:31.615 forward to say we don't support this idea, and more importantly, 0:06:31.935 --> 0:06:34.855 here's the numbers. And one of those groups was certified Builders. 0:06:34.895 --> 0:06:37.175 So that's a sorry long winded way of saying that's 0:06:37.175 --> 0:06:39.375 why I wanted to reach out certified builders. That's why 0:06:39.375 --> 0:06:42.415 I sat down with Malcolm Fleming, and I'll have that 0:06:42.495 --> 0:06:44.975 interview for you just after eight o'clock this morning. But 0:06:45.055 --> 0:06:48.135 right now it is your opportunity to talk all things 0:06:48.175 --> 0:06:50.775 building and construction. The lines are open. The number to 0:06:50.775 --> 0:06:53.895 call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. You can text 0:06:53.935 --> 0:06:56.615 if you wish, that is nine two nine two, and 0:06:56.655 --> 0:06:58.695 if you'd like to send me an email. I've remembered 0:06:58.735 --> 0:07:01.695 my passwords, so it is Pete at newstooksbat dot co 0:07:01.895 --> 0:07:06.055 dot n Z. I kind of joke about remembering the 0:07:06.095 --> 0:07:09.935 part because here at this organization, we have to change 0:07:09.975 --> 0:07:14.615 them every three months, which is ah. Anyway, I'm sure 0:07:14.615 --> 0:07:17.455 it makes the whole place secure because, oh imagine if 0:07:17.455 --> 0:07:19.655 people got into my emails. Oh, eight hundred and eighty 0:07:19.695 --> 0:07:21.815 ten eighty is the number to call. If you've got 0:07:21.895 --> 0:07:24.415 a question of a building nature, you can call, which 0:07:24.495 --> 0:07:27.015 is my preference. You can text like this person did. 0:07:27.415 --> 0:07:31.775 Large flat roof butteanyl showing signs of deterioration after thirty 0:07:31.815 --> 0:07:35.975 five to forty years. Criyche, be thankful there, that's an 0:07:35.975 --> 0:07:40.575 exceptionally good run. So large flat roof of butteanyl showing 0:07:40.615 --> 0:07:44.135 signs of deterioration after thirty five to forty years. Can 0:07:44.175 --> 0:07:48.295 I coat it with something successfully? There are coatings, Terry, 0:07:48.815 --> 0:07:52.895 I'm happy to say. The issue would be is if 0:07:52.935 --> 0:07:56.295 the butte nole is kind of delaminating from the substrate, 0:07:56.895 --> 0:08:00.215 then the coating won't solve that problem because it's an 0:08:00.255 --> 0:08:03.375 adhesion problem. If it's just kind of general wear and 0:08:03.415 --> 0:08:06.935 tear and some of the laps are opening up, maybe 0:08:07.975 --> 0:08:10.695 or there's a bit of cracking that sometimes can occur 0:08:10.775 --> 0:08:12.935 when you go through a bend, particularly if it's a 0:08:13.015 --> 0:08:15.575 ninety degree rather than a faceted sort of two forty 0:08:15.575 --> 0:08:20.455 five degrees. Then there are coatings available, Some of the 0:08:20.455 --> 0:08:23.375 ones that I'm familiar with using, you can't buy off 0:08:23.375 --> 0:08:27.375 the shelf. They can only be applied by licensed applicators. 0:08:27.375 --> 0:08:29.655 So if that sounds like a bit of you, have 0:08:29.735 --> 0:08:32.495 a look at equis as one of those coating products 0:08:32.535 --> 0:08:36.935 that is available but can only be installed by licensed applicators. 0:08:37.015 --> 0:08:39.375 We'll take more of your calls and texts and just 0:08:39.415 --> 0:08:41.335 a moment, will take a break. Now is a great 0:08:41.335 --> 0:08:44.095 time to call. We inevitably always get really busy later 0:08:44.135 --> 0:08:46.335 on in the show, So let's stretch our legs. Let's 0:08:46.375 --> 0:08:48.375 take the time to chat. Oh eight one hundred eighty 0:08:48.495 --> 0:08:51.175 ten eighty the number to call, just to heads up 0:08:51.215 --> 0:08:54.295 as well. I intend, as is my want these days 0:08:54.335 --> 0:08:59.895 to do these terribly unscientific, ill prepared poorly thought out 0:09:00.455 --> 0:09:05.295 and lacking in any sort of academic riggor surveys. But 0:09:05.335 --> 0:09:07.335 I enjoy doing them because it gives me a bit 0:09:07.335 --> 0:09:12.255 of a snapshot into where you're at. And so over 0:09:12.295 --> 0:09:14.495 the last little while, we've done a couple of things like, 0:09:15.695 --> 0:09:17.935 you know, do you support winding back H one, Yes, No, 0:09:18.175 --> 0:09:22.335 that was a good one to do, and so this 0:09:22.495 --> 0:09:25.015 morning I'll put it forward in about half an hour 0:09:25.095 --> 0:09:27.415 or so. What I'm thinking is, and it was out 0:09:27.455 --> 0:09:29.215 of a bit of experience this week where I went 0:09:29.335 --> 0:09:32.135 to as it happened, to hire Paul to pick up 0:09:32.175 --> 0:09:33.735 some gear. And then I was driving back and I 0:09:33.735 --> 0:09:37.135 was thinking, I wonder how often people hire equipment, because 0:09:37.175 --> 0:09:39.575 the dilemma is always do I hire something or do 0:09:39.615 --> 0:09:42.575 I buy it? Right now? Now, in some cases it's 0:09:42.695 --> 0:09:46.455 impractical to buy all of the equipment that you might need. 0:09:46.775 --> 0:09:49.415 And that might be a combination of cost. It might 0:09:49.455 --> 0:09:53.375 be a combinator, or it might be the influencing factor 0:09:53.455 --> 0:09:55.735 is how often am I going to use it if 0:09:55.775 --> 0:09:57.855 I buy? You know, back when I was doing a 0:09:57.895 --> 0:10:01.055 lot more contracting, do I buy a plate compactor for 0:10:01.095 --> 0:10:03.775 when I'm doing slabs or do I hire one? Given 0:10:03.815 --> 0:10:06.135 that I might do one or two slabs a year. 0:10:06.455 --> 0:10:09.175 I don't need a plate compactor sitting in the workshop 0:10:09.575 --> 0:10:12.095 taking up space, given that I might use it two 0:10:12.215 --> 0:10:14.455 or three days a year, It's better off to go 0:10:14.495 --> 0:10:17.055 and hire it for that. So what's your balance? So 0:10:17.135 --> 0:10:19.055 my question is going to be, and it's just a 0:10:19.135 --> 0:10:21.935 number thing, how many times a year do you go 0:10:22.055 --> 0:10:26.055 and hire equipment? And that might be you know, if 0:10:26.095 --> 0:10:28.175 you're doing work at home in the garden, do you 0:10:28.215 --> 0:10:30.135 have your own chainsaw or do you go and hire one? 0:10:30.175 --> 0:10:32.535 Do you have your own ladder, for example, or do 0:10:32.575 --> 0:10:34.975 you go and hire one? Do you have your own trailer? 0:10:35.175 --> 0:10:38.615 And I'm talking about you not necessarily as a contractor. 0:10:38.935 --> 0:10:41.895 So obviously I have a trailer because I use it 0:10:42.015 --> 0:10:45.935 fairly frequently for work. But if you're a homeowner, do 0:10:45.975 --> 0:10:48.615 you have a trailer because they're still kind of useful, 0:10:48.735 --> 0:10:51.375 but or do you go actually takes up space. I've 0:10:51.375 --> 0:10:53.015 got to get a warrant for I've got a register it, 0:10:53.095 --> 0:10:55.695 I need to ensure et cetera, et cetera. I need 0:10:55.735 --> 0:10:58.495 to maintain it. No, if I need one, I'll just 0:10:58.495 --> 0:11:00.455 go and hire one. So that might be my moot. 0:11:00.495 --> 0:11:02.055 We'll start that in about half an hour and we'll 0:11:02.055 --> 0:11:04.455 see where we get to. Just as a number once 0:11:04.495 --> 0:11:06.095 a year, twice a year, three times a year. Just 0:11:06.095 --> 0:11:10.015 give me a number one two to what either. I'll 0:11:10.055 --> 0:11:11.935 try and figure out actually how many times a year 0:11:11.975 --> 0:11:13.895 I go and hire stuff as well. I will do 0:11:13.975 --> 0:11:15.655 some thinking on that. Right, we'll start a little bit 0:11:15.695 --> 0:11:17.295 later on die. Good morning to you. 0:11:18.775 --> 0:11:21.535 Good morning, beautiful sunny war. 0:11:25.655 --> 0:11:27.615 I thought it was I thought it was flooding down 0:11:27.615 --> 0:11:29.935 that way yesterday. There's a bridge. 0:11:29.735 --> 0:11:32.895 No, no, no, we were good. Yeah, that's sut it down. 0:11:33.095 --> 0:11:37.055 So where's that bang really between Gussie up to the 0:11:37.095 --> 0:11:39.735 north and Hawks Bay down to the south. 0:11:39.855 --> 0:11:44.015 So yeah, awesome, awesome. How can I help? 0:11:45.295 --> 0:11:49.095 Well, I've been on a long journey for designing my 0:11:49.375 --> 0:11:55.175 own house. It's just a passionate and interest and it's 0:11:55.215 --> 0:11:57.695 been We've got our own piece of land out here. 0:11:57.815 --> 0:12:01.455 It's got a beautiful view. That's I know how I 0:12:01.495 --> 0:12:03.815 want to live in it. So I've been doing a 0:12:03.855 --> 0:12:07.815 couple of papers through Open Politics next well on residential 0:12:07.895 --> 0:12:15.975 construction and materials and structures and learning all about you know, 0:12:16.015 --> 0:12:19.775 the building code and really enjoy the journey. But I'm 0:12:19.815 --> 0:12:22.215 getting down to the point now I'm having to make 0:12:22.295 --> 0:12:27.695 some calls around clouding choices and window choices, yes, because 0:12:27.895 --> 0:12:30.735 as you know, that will determine a loss around the 0:12:30.815 --> 0:12:37.135 constantine application and design process. But I'm a wildl mate 0:12:37.215 --> 0:12:40.335 and I like to touch things and look at them 0:12:40.375 --> 0:12:43.295 and talk to people and ask lots of specific questions. 0:12:43.895 --> 0:12:46.495 And it's just really hard to know where to go 0:12:47.815 --> 0:12:50.455 where I can look at different materials and talk to 0:12:50.535 --> 0:12:55.095 people and discuss options. I can only really do study 0:12:55.175 --> 0:12:57.575 online to a certain extent, but yeah, I need to 0:12:57.615 --> 0:12:59.655 talk to humans. So where do I go. 0:13:00.735 --> 0:13:04.535 It's a really it's a fantastic question in the sense that, look, 0:13:04.655 --> 0:13:08.135 you know, it's not surprising that there isn't all of 0:13:08.175 --> 0:13:11.575 those samples for those critical elements available to you in 0:13:11.615 --> 0:13:15.535 that area. Possibly if you travel to say, Gisbone, or 0:13:15.575 --> 0:13:21.255 to Torronger certainly, or maybe to Hamilton to Poor I'm 0:13:21.295 --> 0:13:24.855 not sure whether you would have that. I mean the 0:13:24.935 --> 0:13:27.255 thought that the first thought that came to mind is 0:13:27.655 --> 0:13:30.895 would it be worth you taking the time and spending 0:13:30.935 --> 0:13:32.775 the money and going. Look, I'm going to book in 0:13:32.855 --> 0:13:35.535 a whole series of sort of meetings and I'm going 0:13:35.535 --> 0:13:39.015 to go either Auckland or Wellington for a day and 0:13:39.055 --> 0:13:41.895 a half and go, right, I'm going out to have 0:13:41.895 --> 0:13:43.695 a look at joinery suites. I want to go and 0:13:43.735 --> 0:13:47.855 have a look at, you know, cladding options, maybe have 0:13:47.895 --> 0:13:50.175 a look at inslation, etc. And just book in some 0:13:50.295 --> 0:13:55.935 time and do essentially a little investigation like that because 0:13:57.415 --> 0:14:00.095 and I mean Auckland, for example, I know there is 0:14:00.935 --> 0:14:03.455 in Parnell who used to be I'm pretty sure it's 0:14:03.455 --> 0:14:07.535 still there, like a large center that has a number 0:14:07.575 --> 0:14:09.735 of different building products in it. So it might be 0:14:09.895 --> 0:14:12.935 like I remember looking for different types of concrete, for example, 0:14:13.655 --> 0:14:16.855 and they had a first display there with all of 0:14:16.895 --> 0:14:19.855 their different exterior concretes, all of their colors and textures 0:14:19.895 --> 0:14:21.855 and so on. So you could just wander in there 0:14:21.855 --> 0:14:23.295 and go, I want to have a look at cladding 0:14:23.295 --> 0:14:24.575 because that's over there. I want to have a look 0:14:24.615 --> 0:14:26.095 at roofing because that's over there. I want to have 0:14:26.095 --> 0:14:29.335 a look at concrete because that's over there. And possibly joinery. Now, 0:14:30.255 --> 0:14:33.495 depending in terms of the joinery, you might just find 0:14:33.495 --> 0:14:37.295 that if through your own research already you've identified a 0:14:37.295 --> 0:14:42.375 particular style or a suite of joinery, then certainly in 0:14:42.375 --> 0:14:44.975 Auckland you would find an outlet that would have that 0:14:45.055 --> 0:14:48.095 where you could go and have a look cladding at 0:14:48.095 --> 0:14:51.215 the stage. What are you most likely to use for 0:14:51.255 --> 0:14:51.735 your cladding. 0:14:53.855 --> 0:14:58.695 I've really liked weatherboard k coastal. I want to be 0:14:58.735 --> 0:15:02.655 in keeping with the whole fucker pupper those areas so 0:15:03.855 --> 0:15:06.615 and be respectful. So I really like cloud, like the 0:15:06.615 --> 0:15:10.895 way the light moves and changes across it. And I 0:15:10.935 --> 0:15:14.855 think it's it's the coastal, that coastal view. But do 0:15:14.935 --> 0:15:18.815 I go, you know, leget timber Well, I'm coastal and 0:15:19.015 --> 0:15:20.775 we're in the middle of the paddic and lots of 0:15:20.815 --> 0:15:24.255 past here, or do I go to ment fiber in 0:15:24.335 --> 0:15:27.575 wench case I had to then consider around, you know, 0:15:27.735 --> 0:15:33.295 having cavity space behind the clad in and how long 0:15:33.335 --> 0:15:36.015 would that last form? I don't know. So this is 0:15:36.015 --> 0:15:38.615 what I mean. I can read specs and you know, 0:15:38.655 --> 0:15:41.255 look at all the tables and everything else, but sometimes 0:15:41.255 --> 0:15:42.855 it's good to talk to a human. 0:15:43.015 --> 0:15:47.535 Absolutely and look, potentially there might be some value in 0:15:47.935 --> 0:15:51.615 finding a local contractor, because you know, again, the one 0:15:51.655 --> 0:15:54.095 of the challenges I would imagine of building and I'm 0:15:54.095 --> 0:15:56.295 going to use the word remote, not suggesting that it's 0:15:56.375 --> 0:15:59.535 terribly remote, but you know, materials that need to come 0:16:00.495 --> 0:16:03.175 let's say, from Auckland or from Wellington are likely to 0:16:03.255 --> 0:16:05.695 be more expensive than materials that you might be able 0:16:05.775 --> 0:16:10.095 to source sort of locally, and that's going to have 0:16:10.215 --> 0:16:14.095 impact on your budget, which you should be considering now, 0:16:14.535 --> 0:16:17.215 rather than selecting something and then finding that it's cost 0:16:17.255 --> 0:16:20.495 prohibitive when you actually go to install it. I have 0:16:20.655 --> 0:16:24.375 questioned for you, die and I love the fact that 0:16:24.415 --> 0:16:27.655 you're doing the reading and the research and upskilling and 0:16:27.695 --> 0:16:30.695 so on. Ultimately, when it comes to lodging the building consent, 0:16:30.815 --> 0:16:33.015 those drawings are going to be need to be done 0:16:33.015 --> 0:16:37.215 by a design LBP. So have you got someone in 0:16:37.295 --> 0:16:42.335 mind who's prepared to take your ideas and incorporate them 0:16:42.375 --> 0:16:43.175 into the design? 0:16:45.215 --> 0:16:46.295 Yes, yes I have. 0:16:46.455 --> 0:16:50.935 Okay, yeah, I've got a friend of mine so as 0:16:51.135 --> 0:16:54.135 an architect, but I need to legit to all my 0:16:54.175 --> 0:16:57.735 work first, otherwise because I need to be able to 0:16:57.735 --> 0:17:02.295 answer questions. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so and I really I do. 0:17:02.415 --> 0:17:03.855 I love it. 0:17:03.855 --> 0:17:08.295 It's an exciting journey. It's great and good on you 0:17:08.335 --> 0:17:11.935 for being then engaged. Sorry just one for the question, 0:17:12.015 --> 0:17:14.055 and I do want to take up too much time. 0:17:14.095 --> 0:17:18.335 But in terms of the design, like are you focused 0:17:18.495 --> 0:17:23.015 on let's say, the appearance of the building. Are you 0:17:23.135 --> 0:17:26.855 focused on the performance of the building, are you focused 0:17:26.895 --> 0:17:31.215 on cost? Like what's driving your decisions? 0:17:32.775 --> 0:17:35.295 Well, it's going to be our forever home, so I'm 0:17:35.655 --> 0:17:42.135 really looking at performance. We've got amazing but insight, so 0:17:42.135 --> 0:17:45.615 I'm trying to do something well, I'm looking at solo passive, 0:17:46.855 --> 0:17:52.175 so having that concrete based on the glazed windows. And 0:17:52.535 --> 0:17:55.295 obviously I wanted to look nice because I want people 0:17:55.335 --> 0:17:58.215 to drive by and go, oh my god, what's she done? 0:17:59.175 --> 0:18:01.575 So and I have to live in a small quidity, 0:18:01.695 --> 0:18:05.095 you know, so yeah it has to look good. But 0:18:05.575 --> 0:18:08.735 all of those definitely need to be taken into account 0:18:08.975 --> 0:18:12.055 and it is. And also because we've gone through two floods, 0:18:12.095 --> 0:18:18.375 you know, finding contractors is really hard. And yeah, I've 0:18:18.375 --> 0:18:20.615 got a couple a couple of people lined up who 0:18:20.615 --> 0:18:24.455 I'm going to, you know, work through the plumbing plan. 0:18:24.855 --> 0:18:27.455 And because I think that's awesome point in corporate all 0:18:27.455 --> 0:18:31.295 that when you're designed. I did design once Tinier home. 0:18:31.495 --> 0:18:33.775 Would you consider offsite manufacture? 0:18:35.695 --> 0:18:36.015 I have? 0:18:36.255 --> 0:18:39.535 So this first house we had here was built in Hamilton, 0:18:40.175 --> 0:18:42.855 and I was just I was still removed from the process. 0:18:42.855 --> 0:18:46.255 To be honest with you, I kind of like could 0:18:46.295 --> 0:18:48.055 mentally walk through over and when it turned off, I 0:18:48.095 --> 0:18:53.175 was like, and there's something about building. I love getting 0:18:53.215 --> 0:18:56.455 my hands dirty. I work in education, and I spent 0:18:56.495 --> 0:19:00.975 a lot of time people's heads, actually somebody with my 0:19:01.135 --> 0:19:05.815 hands and actually going wow, I did that, incredibly satisfying. 0:19:06.935 --> 0:19:08.855 Let us know how you get on. Please stay in 0:19:08.855 --> 0:19:13.855 touch because it's a fascinating process. And you know, I 0:19:13.895 --> 0:19:19.095 mean to find a homeowner who's as engaged in the 0:19:19.135 --> 0:19:22.295 design process as you are is without being patronizing or 0:19:22.295 --> 0:19:25.535 anything quite remarkable. So good on you. I think it'll 0:19:25.535 --> 0:19:29.135 be a great build, and having so much knowledge ahead 0:19:29.135 --> 0:19:31.855 of it, it should go really really well. But please 0:19:31.895 --> 0:19:33.535 do stay in touch. I'll be curious to know where 0:19:33.815 --> 0:19:35.295 where you land with your design. 0:19:35.775 --> 0:19:38.255 Hey, and done it next time you know you're down 0:19:38.335 --> 0:19:43.775 this way for a road, and you should do. Because 0:19:44.655 --> 0:19:48.255 one of my boyfriends up and Gusbend, Chris Vince, normally 0:19:48.375 --> 0:19:50.335 shout out for him. He is the one who put 0:19:50.335 --> 0:19:52.575 me onto you. So you've been put to be inspiring 0:19:52.655 --> 0:19:54.215 and help this journey too. 0:19:54.335 --> 0:19:56.455 So yeah, nice to be part of it. You take 0:19:56.495 --> 0:20:01.415 care all of this, you please, all of this. What 0:20:01.615 --> 0:20:07.455 a fantastic journey that's awesome. Wa at eighty ten eighty 0:20:07.615 --> 0:20:09.575 is that number to call? Quick text before we go 0:20:09.575 --> 0:20:11.335 to the break. Do you need a permit to install 0:20:11.335 --> 0:20:13.255 a second kitchen and a home in Hamilton? 0:20:13.655 --> 0:20:13.935 Yes? 0:20:15.575 --> 0:20:18.015 And whether that's Hamilton or anywhere else in the country, 0:20:18.055 --> 0:20:22.015 putting in an extra kitchen absolutely requires a building consent. 0:20:22.375 --> 0:20:27.495 Back in a mow, I'm just reading a quite interesting text. 0:20:27.815 --> 0:20:29.735 I'll come to that in the moment. Joe, good morning 0:20:29.775 --> 0:20:30.335 to you. 0:20:31.255 --> 0:20:32.175 Morning to you, sir. 0:20:32.375 --> 0:20:33.175 Hello, Now. 0:20:34.855 --> 0:20:38.535 Hi, just a query. 0:20:38.935 --> 0:20:42.695 Do you need a consent to build? Like with sand 0:20:42.815 --> 0:20:48.255 and you probably stamp ad in and get your shape right. 0:20:48.375 --> 0:20:52.815 And a pond, a small pond? Do you need building consent? 0:20:53.015 --> 0:20:53.095 Now? 0:20:53.135 --> 0:20:55.335 I don't believe you need building consent, but there are 0:20:55.375 --> 0:20:59.455 some regulations around the depth of the pond, so it 0:20:59.495 --> 0:21:04.095 can only be to a certain depth, and beyond that 0:21:04.375 --> 0:21:10.535 it may well on a residential become a Essentially they'll 0:21:10.575 --> 0:21:15.215 treat it like a swimming pool, right, and then suddenly 0:21:15.295 --> 0:21:18.935 you'll you'll be subject in effect to the Pool Fencing Act, 0:21:19.015 --> 0:21:22.575 and you'll need barriers of a certain height and doors 0:21:22.575 --> 0:21:25.655 that swing shut and locks that can't be accessible by 0:21:25.735 --> 0:21:27.095 small children, et cetera, et cetera. 0:21:27.055 --> 0:21:27.455 Et cetera. 0:21:28.615 --> 0:21:32.295 So yeah, just just go online find the regulations. I 0:21:32.375 --> 0:21:34.455 know a mate who went through it recently and they 0:21:34.535 --> 0:21:37.295 just had to make sure that they kept the depth 0:21:37.335 --> 0:21:38.935 of a certain amount. And then I'm pretty sure you 0:21:38.975 --> 0:21:40.735 don't need a building consent. I mean, how big is 0:21:40.775 --> 0:21:44.215 the pond? Are you talking? You know, like five square 0:21:44.255 --> 0:21:48.015 meters or fifty or five hundred square meters? 0:21:46.815 --> 0:21:50.415 Is just a baby pond for a couple of well, 0:21:50.895 --> 0:21:56.175 I like ecology and I would you call it dragon flies? 0:21:56.375 --> 0:22:00.855 And form around that? 0:22:01.095 --> 0:22:04.255 Just what do you what would you call it? 0:22:05.255 --> 0:22:08.175 In some ways? I mean? And again I saw this 0:22:08.215 --> 0:22:10.295 on a project a little while ago where they had 0:22:10.775 --> 0:22:14.175 as part of their stormwater management for the site, the 0:22:14.255 --> 0:22:20.775 storm water actually went into effectively a rain garden. Rain 0:22:20.815 --> 0:22:25.415 gardens have become quite popular, and they're popular esthetically because 0:22:25.455 --> 0:22:27.335 I think they actually look quite nice, but they're also 0:22:27.455 --> 0:22:30.695 really practical in terms of there's a lot of chat 0:22:30.815 --> 0:22:33.415 at the moment, and for those people who might be 0:22:33.455 --> 0:22:36.055 triggered by sort of new language and all the rest 0:22:36.095 --> 0:22:39.975 of it, just tune out for a second. There's a 0:22:40.015 --> 0:22:43.615 lot of talk around making our cities more spongy, right 0:22:44.735 --> 0:22:47.575 that as we deal with stormwater as an issue for 0:22:47.735 --> 0:22:52.895 individuals but also for entire regions. One of the one 0:22:52.895 --> 0:22:55.695 of the ways forward is to go. We need to 0:22:55.735 --> 0:22:58.775 be able to create environments where when we do get 0:22:58.815 --> 0:23:02.495 that really heavy rain, intense rain, short periods of time, 0:23:02.695 --> 0:23:05.095 lots of rain in a small period of time. Is 0:23:05.135 --> 0:23:07.375 there a way to make our it is more spongy, 0:23:07.735 --> 0:23:11.295 to absorb that and then release it slowly over time. 0:23:11.975 --> 0:23:15.535 And on an individual level, you can do that, you know, 0:23:15.815 --> 0:23:18.735 and part of that might be if you had rainwater tanks, 0:23:18.735 --> 0:23:22.375 for example, then you can run them down before weather 0:23:22.495 --> 0:23:24.895 event and allow them to fill up so they soak 0:23:24.975 --> 0:23:27.175 up some of that capacity. And in the same way, 0:23:27.215 --> 0:23:30.175 you can do that with rain gardens and add those 0:23:30.295 --> 0:23:34.415 to your landscaping design so that they might hold a 0:23:34.415 --> 0:23:38.055 certain amount of water, but they can contain a downpour 0:23:38.415 --> 0:23:41.735 and then release that over time. So if you sort 0:23:41.735 --> 0:23:44.135 of integrate what you're doing with a pond into some 0:23:44.335 --> 0:23:46.495 rain stormwater management, that would be a good thing. 0:23:48.015 --> 0:23:53.135 One another question, would you sorry, would you like so 0:23:53.335 --> 0:23:57.215 you clam out the area so space with the big 0:23:57.255 --> 0:23:59.495 storm we had to a lake? 0:24:00.175 --> 0:24:01.215 Yeah? 0:24:01.335 --> 0:24:05.175 Yeah, that was pretty something that wouldn't happen all that 0:24:05.375 --> 0:24:09.255 up now? Is that we just start up with sand 0:24:09.535 --> 0:24:17.135 compact that put stones and then rock and then maybe wood. 0:24:18.295 --> 0:24:20.775 I think with pond sometimes a little bit of it 0:24:20.855 --> 0:24:23.695 is selecting the right type of clay. If you're going 0:24:23.735 --> 0:24:26.935 to kind of do a natural one, you want a 0:24:26.935 --> 0:24:29.975 clay that's not quite impermeable, but that will hold moisture 0:24:29.975 --> 0:24:32.655 because in the end, you want a pond, not a puddle, right, 0:24:33.455 --> 0:24:36.215 you know, it's something that needs to hold water over 0:24:36.295 --> 0:24:40.975 a period of time. So sometimes it's about this the 0:24:41.095 --> 0:24:44.015 right selection of the clay. Also, I guess if it's 0:24:44.055 --> 0:24:48.575 relatively shallow and it's not the liner of it isn't impervious, 0:24:49.015 --> 0:24:52.335 then it will disappear. You know, if we don't have 0:24:52.455 --> 0:24:55.935 rain for two or three weeks, for example, two hundred 0:24:55.975 --> 0:24:59.575 millimeters sitting on the ground will just evaporate. So I 0:24:59.615 --> 0:25:01.495 guess you've got to think about the design of it 0:25:01.575 --> 0:25:04.295 to ensure that it doesn't evaporate when you don't want 0:25:04.295 --> 0:25:06.775 it to, because then you'll lose the habitat, you know, 0:25:06.895 --> 0:25:08.495 like I say, you want a pond, not a puddle. 0:25:10.615 --> 0:25:13.175 But in terms of the building, consent to your original question, 0:25:13.335 --> 0:25:15.655 it's all about the depth, as I understand it, So 0:25:15.815 --> 0:25:16.895 just check that out. 0:25:17.935 --> 0:25:19.015 Yeah, I have got a. 0:25:21.135 --> 0:25:25.215 Yeah, right, that'll go well. Good luck with it all, 0:25:25.215 --> 0:25:26.575 the best of you. Joe oh eight one hundred and 0:25:26.575 --> 0:25:29.255 eighty ten eighty is the number to call the stext 0:25:29.295 --> 0:25:32.015 that caught my eye a moment ago. We've gone through 0:25:32.095 --> 0:25:35.215 years of building remediation on an apartment building was completed 0:25:35.335 --> 0:25:38.055 last year. From day one, the large areas of floating 0:25:38.135 --> 0:25:40.375 tiles in the common area and the deck won't drain 0:25:40.495 --> 0:25:43.335 properly and the water sits on top of them for ages. 0:25:43.375 --> 0:25:45.935 The building and the project manager say it's built to speck. 0:25:47.055 --> 0:25:49.975 The tile supplier says that they were working to the specs, 0:25:50.055 --> 0:25:52.735 it's not their problem, and the architect says that it's 0:25:52.775 --> 0:25:56.415 a tile fault. Of course, the property manager, who oversaw 0:25:56.455 --> 0:26:00.695 the whole project takes no responsibility who should take who 0:26:00.695 --> 0:26:04.015 should be taking legal action against since everyone is blaming 0:26:04.055 --> 0:26:08.215 everyone else. I'll tell you what one place to start 0:26:08.335 --> 0:26:13.535 if you want to pursue this is too You need 0:26:13.575 --> 0:26:16.735 an pendant advice, and that might be someone like a 0:26:16.815 --> 0:26:20.055 registered building surveyor who could come in and determine whether 0:26:20.175 --> 0:26:24.135 or not the selection of the tiles meets the code, 0:26:24.175 --> 0:26:28.135 whether the installation meets the manufacturer specification give you an 0:26:28.175 --> 0:26:34.535 independent bit of advice on there, maybe to send me 0:26:34.535 --> 0:26:37.895 an updated text and go. Is the issue that water 0:26:38.095 --> 0:26:40.735 sits on top of the tile. So if for example, 0:26:40.775 --> 0:26:43.535 it's a six hundred by six hundred tile and it 0:26:43.695 --> 0:26:46.935 rains and those tiles are flat, then for a period 0:26:46.975 --> 0:26:49.895 of time after it rains, the water will sit on there, 0:26:50.055 --> 0:26:52.815 albeit not particularly deep, but it will sit on there 0:26:53.175 --> 0:26:56.615 because obviously, the way those systems are designed is that 0:26:56.695 --> 0:26:59.375 they are flat, so you get level entry and you 0:26:59.415 --> 0:27:02.055 get a flat surface to sit on and put chairs 0:27:02.055 --> 0:27:04.695 and tables and those sorts of things on. But obviously 0:27:04.735 --> 0:27:08.695 a six hundred by six hundred square of tile, regardless 0:27:08.735 --> 0:27:13.535 of texture or whatever, is going to hold water. Not much, 0:27:13.615 --> 0:27:18.615 but it will hold water, and eventually that dries or evaporates. 0:27:18.775 --> 0:27:22.335 And so that's how those systems work. And if that's 0:27:22.375 --> 0:27:25.495 your concern, I don't know that you're actually going to 0:27:27.055 --> 0:27:30.295 find that you've got any redress. That's just one of 0:27:30.295 --> 0:27:33.655 those things that you know, unless you go for small tiles, 0:27:34.575 --> 0:27:38.135 which then has other issues, or you lay those tiles 0:27:38.935 --> 0:27:41.495 with fall, which is not how those systems are designed 0:27:41.495 --> 0:27:44.855 to it is. That's just the nature of the system. Sorry, 0:27:44.855 --> 0:27:46.935 that's not a great answer, but it is an answer. Oh, 0:27:46.935 --> 0:27:48.695 eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number 0:27:48.735 --> 0:27:50.375 to call. We'll talk to Jane and then we'll take 0:27:50.375 --> 0:27:51.335 your calls in just a moment. 0:27:51.415 --> 0:27:55.815 Jane, Hello there, Good morning, Good I'm calling about the 0:27:55.855 --> 0:28:02.535 auglant In tree plant requirements. Yes, waste water systems on 0:28:02.815 --> 0:28:08.055 properties that are not connected to SERACHE. They co chapter 0:28:08.775 --> 0:28:16.055 E five point six point one and my question one 0:28:16.095 --> 0:28:21.695 of them three I've got suitably qualified on site wastewater 0:28:21.855 --> 0:28:27.695 service provider and also where the tank is pumped out 0:28:27.935 --> 0:28:34.735 of suitably qualified on site wastewater service provide How do 0:28:34.895 --> 0:28:41.135 we find these? Do they have a certification or something? 0:28:43.415 --> 0:28:45.335 To be fair, I'd have to do some research on that. 0:28:45.415 --> 0:28:49.055 It's something that has come up, and to be fair, 0:28:49.135 --> 0:28:52.135 when I first heard this, I thought, you know, is 0:28:52.175 --> 0:28:55.455 this kind of another layer of bureaucracy or another layer 0:28:55.495 --> 0:28:59.215 of compliance that's been added to homeowners? And for what reason? 0:29:00.215 --> 0:29:03.095 Because for years and years and years, as a homeowner, 0:29:03.135 --> 0:29:07.775 if you weren't connected to Mainz waste water, right you 0:29:07.895 --> 0:29:11.535 had on site waste disposal, septic tanks and the like, 0:29:13.215 --> 0:29:15.535 you just looked after it, right, and if it didn't work, 0:29:15.615 --> 0:29:17.855 that was your problem, right If you ended up with 0:29:18.095 --> 0:29:20.455 basically poosing the law, that's your problem right now. 0:29:20.855 --> 0:29:27.175 New government said that they were going to stop interference 0:29:27.375 --> 0:29:31.095 with what we can do on our own property. That's 0:29:31.095 --> 0:29:36.015 a fairly recent comment, but now we're stuck with us 0:29:36.055 --> 0:29:37.295 needing to comply. 0:29:38.095 --> 0:29:40.175 Yeah, you are right, and I've heard this from a 0:29:40.255 --> 0:29:43.695 number of people, So I would imagine that you know, 0:29:43.775 --> 0:29:46.535 when they say suitably qualified. I don't know if there's 0:29:46.575 --> 0:29:49.255 actually a qualification for that. It would be interesting to 0:29:49.335 --> 0:29:51.935 know and if someone can text me whether there is 0:29:51.935 --> 0:29:55.175 a specific qualification. But I guess it's a company that 0:29:56.135 --> 0:29:59.895 is either has a registered drain layer or certified drain 0:29:59.975 --> 0:30:06.055 layer who's part of the organization that I suppose counselor 0:30:06.095 --> 0:30:10.455 then confident that that company, if they take material from 0:30:10.775 --> 0:30:13.535 your site, if they pump out the tanks, that they 0:30:13.535 --> 0:30:16.335 will then take it to an approved site for disposal, 0:30:16.935 --> 0:30:20.175 rather than you know, fly tipping it potentially those sorts 0:30:20.175 --> 0:30:23.415 of things. So I look, I'm happy to do a 0:30:23.455 --> 0:30:25.015 bit of research. We'll look at that. But it does 0:30:25.055 --> 0:30:28.095 seem like this is now common, certainly in Auckland and 0:30:28.255 --> 0:30:31.975 quite possibly across the country where where as a homeowner, 0:30:32.215 --> 0:30:34.815 used to have to take responsibility and you were expected 0:30:34.855 --> 0:30:38.135 to be responsible. Now you have to prove that responsibility 0:30:38.535 --> 0:30:41.015 by having a contract to come and do this work 0:30:41.055 --> 0:30:41.335 for you. 0:30:42.855 --> 0:30:44.415 Yes, and that's the pottible. 0:30:44.735 --> 0:30:47.255 And how often are you required to have an inspection? 0:30:47.455 --> 0:30:50.695 It's like every six months or twelve months now. 0:30:50.895 --> 0:30:54.695 Well, yes, for two that's on a very regular basis. 0:30:56.175 --> 0:30:57.855 How often is it required. 0:31:01.135 --> 0:31:03.735 At least once every three years? 0:31:04.215 --> 0:31:06.295 Okay, once every three years. 0:31:06.455 --> 0:31:14.455 Disposal system should be inspected, secondary and tersary treatment systems 0:31:14.495 --> 0:31:19.535 and associated land disposal systems must be servant six months. 0:31:20.015 --> 0:31:24.615 I have suitably qualified on site waste provider. 0:31:25.455 --> 0:31:27.655 So it's like getting more on fitness for your car. 0:31:27.815 --> 0:31:30.095 All of a sudden that every six months you're down. 0:31:30.215 --> 0:31:32.255 You know you're getting someone in And. 0:31:33.255 --> 0:31:38.215 I've lived with septic tanks in this area, which is 0:31:38.335 --> 0:31:41.815 Auckland District, since nineteen fifty two. 0:31:43.375 --> 0:31:43.615 Yep. 0:31:45.255 --> 0:31:48.135 But yes, these are the new regulations. I'm not sure 0:31:48.135 --> 0:31:52.055 what happens if you don't comply with the regulations, but 0:31:53.375 --> 0:31:56.735 I suspect that if you know, for example, I don't 0:31:56.775 --> 0:31:59.135 know what would happen if you didn't comply, But there 0:31:59.175 --> 0:32:02.815 is a requirement to comply, so you're supposed to, but 0:32:03.455 --> 0:32:09.495 it certainly is a not significant cost on homeowners. 0:32:09.895 --> 0:32:14.015 I would love you to do some edications. 0:32:14.695 --> 0:32:15.855 I'm more happy to do that. 0:32:16.255 --> 0:32:18.295 There are a group of three of us who are 0:32:18.335 --> 0:32:23.095 together and we're going ahead with this because we have to. 0:32:24.775 --> 0:32:29.775 But we're in the own field, and a very expensive one. 0:32:30.415 --> 0:32:34.655 Yeah, and inevitably the companies that do it have now 0:32:34.695 --> 0:32:38.535 been guaranteed a pipeline of work, pardon the pun. And 0:32:39.455 --> 0:32:42.775 you know whether or not it stays competitive, that will 0:32:42.815 --> 0:32:44.375 be an interesting thing as well. 0:32:45.295 --> 0:32:45.495 Well. 0:32:45.535 --> 0:32:50.695 They started in April with the LISTA. They talked in 0:32:50.935 --> 0:32:55.815 two thousand and nineteen about it originally and didn't follow 0:32:55.855 --> 0:33:01.015 it up, but have now and all of them are 0:33:01.095 --> 0:33:07.095 so busy because this has come through April. Until we're 0:33:07.215 --> 0:33:10.695 checked in with somebody to come and do three of them. 0:33:10.815 --> 0:33:14.935 You keep well, I think that's very wise. And look, 0:33:15.015 --> 0:33:20.335 there is I suppose particularly for those situations where you know, 0:33:20.375 --> 0:33:24.615 while you might not be connected to public waste water 0:33:25.135 --> 0:33:28.575 and so you have to contain it, if you're having 0:33:28.615 --> 0:33:32.455 to look after your own syread set system and you're 0:33:32.495 --> 0:33:36.575 in reasonably close proximity to your neighbors, you can understand 0:33:36.615 --> 0:33:39.335 why it's in everybody's interest to make sure that everybody 0:33:39.375 --> 0:33:44.135 actually looks after their wastewater systems. Right, So if the 0:33:44.175 --> 0:33:47.535 system's not working well and there's potential contamination or these 0:33:47.575 --> 0:33:50.895 issues with smell and so on, it's it is sort 0:33:50.935 --> 0:33:53.455 of a public good to have them looked after it. 0:33:53.495 --> 0:33:56.735 But then you've just that, you know, you've said it 0:33:56.855 --> 0:34:01.935 true yep, and since nineteen fifty two you've looked after 0:34:01.975 --> 0:34:04.695 your system and it's worked for all of that time, 0:34:04.975 --> 0:34:07.455 there's no issues with it, and now suddenly you have 0:34:07.535 --> 0:34:09.655 to prove that there's no issues to it. 0:34:10.055 --> 0:34:10.295 Yep. 0:34:10.695 --> 0:34:15.175 Yeah. It would be a good one too, as you say, 0:34:15.455 --> 0:34:17.855 a government that's come in going hey we want less 0:34:18.415 --> 0:34:21.855 regulation and that sort of thing to go, hey, here's 0:34:21.895 --> 0:34:25.455 another thing to have a look at. I have made 0:34:25.455 --> 0:34:27.935 some notes stay in touch with my head. 0:34:28.615 --> 0:34:30.895 Who does a person go to? 0:34:32.535 --> 0:34:36.535 I guess you'd start with. If that was me in 0:34:36.575 --> 0:34:40.335 that situation, I would probably start with a local drain layer, right, 0:34:41.175 --> 0:34:44.055 who I know and trust, and then say to them, look, 0:34:44.095 --> 0:34:46.455 can you put me in touch with a contractor who 0:34:46.775 --> 0:34:51.575 is you know, reliable and trustworthy and go from there. 0:34:51.695 --> 0:34:54.815 So I would start with a local drain layer okay, 0:34:54.895 --> 0:34:55.575 all right. 0:34:56.255 --> 0:34:58.935 Talking with you, that's really and assuring all. 0:34:58.775 --> 0:35:02.855 The best take care bother them. A couple of quick 0:35:02.855 --> 0:35:05.455 texts that have come in just on that issue as well, 0:35:05.615 --> 0:35:07.935 counsels you. We have a list of approved train labs. 0:35:10.255 --> 0:35:15.095 Don't know. I don't know if they do text me 0:35:15.135 --> 0:35:17.655 and the link or something like that. Interested to see 0:35:18.135 --> 0:35:23.095 not something that I've ever seen. Quick text as well, 0:35:23.095 --> 0:35:25.455 Hey Pete, I'm interested in the price comparison and using 0:35:25.455 --> 0:35:28.095 tilt slab over traditional brick or weatherboard. I'd call, but 0:35:28.095 --> 0:35:30.775 I'm heading into an area with bad service. Hopefully I've 0:35:30.775 --> 0:35:33.655 caught you in time. Richie. I suspect that tilt slab 0:35:33.695 --> 0:35:39.495 would be considerably more expensive only because think about the process, 0:35:40.135 --> 0:35:45.055 you know, specific design offsite, manufacture, transportation to site, crane, 0:35:45.175 --> 0:35:51.535 higher upspect footings, those sorts of things. Certainly for residential 0:35:52.735 --> 0:35:54.735 I would imagine that you would have to be really 0:35:54.895 --> 0:35:58.055 and I love the idea, to be fair, I quite 0:35:58.135 --> 0:36:00.015 like the idea of doing part of the house out 0:36:00.015 --> 0:36:01.695 of tilt slab. In fact, there's a house that was 0:36:01.695 --> 0:36:05.735 built not far from me where they extensively use tilt 0:36:05.735 --> 0:36:08.655 slab pan for the exterior of the building. And I 0:36:08.695 --> 0:36:11.055 love it to bits. It's one of the nicest pieces 0:36:11.055 --> 0:36:13.175 of architecture that I've seen in a couple of years 0:36:13.495 --> 0:36:16.015 in and around where I happen to live. So I 0:36:16.055 --> 0:36:18.815 love the idea, but I would say that the cost 0:36:19.095 --> 0:36:26.215 in a residential situation would be considerably more than brick 0:36:26.295 --> 0:36:28.975 and certainly more than weather board. Oh eight hundred eighty 0:36:29.055 --> 0:36:31.015 ten eighty. Will take a short break, will take your calls. 0:36:31.055 --> 0:36:32.975 We've still got time before the news, so call us now, 0:36:33.095 --> 0:36:35.815 oh eight hundred eighty ten eight. So what I'm unsure 0:36:35.855 --> 0:36:39.415 about is whether or not this requirement to prove that 0:36:39.455 --> 0:36:46.255 you are maintaining your on site waste water systems is 0:36:47.055 --> 0:36:52.615 nationwide or just an Auckland Council requirement so from the 0:36:52.655 --> 0:36:54.935 Auckland Council website. So I'm going to assume at the 0:36:54.975 --> 0:36:58.215 stage that I'm just going to stick with Auckland. So 0:36:58.335 --> 0:37:02.135 primary systems, that's like a septic tank with a disposal field. 0:37:02.855 --> 0:37:05.775 These units tend to be older and use simple technology. 0:37:05.775 --> 0:37:08.975 There are se secondary or tertiary systems. So secondary and 0:37:09.055 --> 0:37:13.335 tertiary systems may have multiple treatment tanks in a disposal field. 0:37:13.815 --> 0:37:16.975 They often use electric pumps and have multiple chambers for 0:37:17.095 --> 0:37:21.815 increased filtration. So in July twenty twenty two or can 0:37:21.855 --> 0:37:24.855 Council send letters to property owners to request their proof 0:37:24.975 --> 0:37:28.695 of waste water maintenance. The letter explains the type of 0:37:28.735 --> 0:37:31.655 proof that they need and how long you have to 0:37:31.855 --> 0:37:36.015 submit these to their records. Failure to maintain your system 0:37:36.175 --> 0:37:39.095 may result in a fine or a penalty. Then it 0:37:39.135 --> 0:37:41.775 goes on to say who can service your on site 0:37:41.855 --> 0:37:45.055 wastewater system. There are many companies in Auckland who service 0:37:45.135 --> 0:37:48.735 pump out and repair. Companies listed in the table use 0:37:48.775 --> 0:37:53.975 our standard form for servicing. They provide this form directly 0:37:54.055 --> 0:37:55.975 to us on your behalf. And then it goes on 0:37:56.015 --> 0:38:01.375 to list a reasonably extensive list of companies that I 0:38:01.415 --> 0:38:06.095 guess they know are doing the inspections in a way 0:38:06.135 --> 0:38:09.815 that complies with the regulations. So there you go. Whether 0:38:09.855 --> 0:38:12.815 that's nationwide or not, I'm not absolutely sure. We're going 0:38:12.855 --> 0:38:14.695 to kick off the survey in the next hour. So 0:38:14.855 --> 0:38:19.415 just if you've just tuned in, I now am increasingly 0:38:19.455 --> 0:38:24.175 doing these terribly thought out, unscientific, lacking in any academic 0:38:24.295 --> 0:38:28.135 robustness surveys, but I enjoy them. So the moot is 0:38:28.175 --> 0:38:29.975 going to be and you just text me and it's 0:38:29.975 --> 0:38:32.335 just going to be a number one through to whatever. 0:38:33.095 --> 0:38:36.135 How many times in a calendar year would you go 0:38:36.295 --> 0:38:40.015 and higher equipment? Now, that could be a water blaster, 0:38:40.135 --> 0:38:42.975 it could be a chainsaw, It could be a motormar. 0:38:43.095 --> 0:38:44.775 It could be a trailer. It could be a bit 0:38:44.775 --> 0:38:48.895 of scaffolding. It could be a furniture trailer, anything like 0:38:48.935 --> 0:38:52.015 that that you might go and higher. How many times 0:38:52.095 --> 0:38:55.255 in a year would you go and hire equipment? And 0:38:55.335 --> 0:38:58.375 what I'm interested to sort of gauge is one, how 0:38:58.415 --> 0:39:01.295 often we go and higher gear? And two whether or 0:39:01.295 --> 0:39:03.775 not that sort of gives me an insight into that 0:39:04.135 --> 0:39:06.855 because we've all got that dilemma of do I buy 0:39:06.895 --> 0:39:10.015 something or do I hire it? You know, at what 0:39:10.055 --> 0:39:12.255 point does it make sort of economic sense to buy 0:39:12.295 --> 0:39:17.815 it versus makes sense to just hire it. I realized 0:39:17.815 --> 0:39:19.375 that I'm coming up to the news time, so Anne, 0:39:19.415 --> 0:39:21.775 I might get you just to hold because your question 0:39:22.055 --> 0:39:26.255 intrigues me to the point where I suspect that it's 0:39:26.335 --> 0:39:30.095 not going to be a simple answer. So Anne, if 0:39:30.095 --> 0:39:32.495 you could just hold and we'll chat immediately after the 0:39:32.535 --> 0:39:36.535 news on my unscientific poll, I'm gonna have to come 0:39:36.615 --> 0:39:40.415 up with a neck and a n achronism anagram for 0:39:40.495 --> 0:39:44.655 these anyway, we just text me a number. So do 0:39:44.735 --> 0:39:47.855 you go to a higher center like I did? I 0:39:47.895 --> 0:39:50.255 went to high Pool this week to drop off a 0:39:50.295 --> 0:39:52.695 trailer that I'd use to carry some site fencing on. 0:39:53.095 --> 0:39:56.015 So that's that's let's call that one hire. I mean, 0:39:56.055 --> 0:39:57.735 I hired a trailer to collect it and then I 0:39:57.815 --> 0:39:59.495 heard a trailer to take it back because it was 0:39:59.495 --> 0:40:02.495 a decent sized amount of gear. But I you know, 0:40:02.535 --> 0:40:04.895 I would go from time to time, for example what 0:40:05.055 --> 0:40:08.055 I hire last time, like a cherry picker for example, 0:40:08.175 --> 0:40:11.215 to do some access, some high access. So actually I'll 0:40:11.215 --> 0:40:13.095 try over the break, I will sit down and write 0:40:13.135 --> 0:40:14.735 and try and figure out how many times a year 0:40:14.775 --> 0:40:16.775 i'd go on high gear. But few, as you know, 0:40:16.815 --> 0:40:20.095 if you're reasy, if you're working around the house, how 0:40:20.135 --> 0:40:22.415 often would you go to a higher center and hire 0:40:22.455 --> 0:40:24.535 some equipment? Take them through? Nine two, nine and two 0:40:24.695 --> 0:40:27.415 back with your call straight afternoons Sport and weather top 0:40:27.455 --> 0:40:39.695 of the rat eight. So while we're at at folks 0:40:40.015 --> 0:40:41.775 and you're tuned in listening to the show, and you're 0:40:41.815 --> 0:40:44.655 out doing your bits and pieces as people do. My 0:40:44.815 --> 0:40:47.055 survey this morning on the show, and we'll run this 0:40:47.055 --> 0:40:50.095 through a little about eight thirty or thereabouts is how 0:40:50.095 --> 0:40:52.015 many times a year do you go on higher equipment? 0:40:52.095 --> 0:40:55.055 And I'm just kind of curious, and I guess I'm 0:40:55.215 --> 0:40:58.655 expecting that most of you who are tuned in are 0:40:58.695 --> 0:41:02.735 not necessarily trades people, so you're a homeowner. And to 0:41:02.735 --> 0:41:04.735 be fair, I was wandering around today and I was thinking, actually, 0:41:04.815 --> 0:41:07.495 you know what I feel like doing water blasting? Nothing 0:41:07.575 --> 0:41:09.375 like upsetting the neighbors on a Sunday with a bit 0:41:09.375 --> 0:41:11.535 of water blasting, and I might go and do that. 0:41:12.255 --> 0:41:16.015 So for my situation, I happen to own a water blaster, 0:41:16.095 --> 0:41:17.375 so I don't need to go on hire one. But 0:41:17.415 --> 0:41:20.175 if you had the inclination to do some water blasting, 0:41:20.815 --> 0:41:23.255 would you go and hire one? Or do you have one? 0:41:23.535 --> 0:41:25.815 Or if you needed to help him make to shift 0:41:25.855 --> 0:41:28.975 a fridge like I did this week, do you have 0:41:29.055 --> 0:41:31.055 your own trailer or would you go and hire one? 0:41:31.335 --> 0:41:33.175 You decide you want to cut down a tree, do 0:41:33.215 --> 0:41:35.015 you have your own chainsaw? Or would you prefer to 0:41:35.095 --> 0:41:37.855 ruin somebody else's and go and hire one? So just 0:41:38.175 --> 0:41:42.175 text me a number how many times a year roughly 0:41:42.455 --> 0:41:44.895 would you go and hire equipment? I'd be fascinated to know. Oh, 0:41:44.935 --> 0:41:47.455 eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Good day, Pete wolf Camp here, 0:41:47.815 --> 0:41:50.375 this is the resident builder on Sunday, and we're talking 0:41:50.415 --> 0:41:53.095 all things building and construction. The lines are open. The 0:41:53.175 --> 0:41:56.535 number to call eight hundred eighty ten eighty and I've 0:41:56.535 --> 0:41:57.775 got to be news coming up for you in just 0:41:57.815 --> 0:42:00.095 a moment. Two and good morning, thanks for waiting. 0:42:01.095 --> 0:42:06.095 Good morning, hi, Patter. So good situation is I have 0:42:06.575 --> 0:42:12.335 a new build, it's eleven months old, and you know 0:42:12.495 --> 0:42:15.255 the extraction event that you have in the ceiling of 0:42:15.295 --> 0:42:20.295 your bathroom to take out the moist air. Yes, yep, 0:42:20.495 --> 0:42:25.535 I have one of those also in say like a 0:42:25.615 --> 0:42:32.415 cupboard where a washing machine is located. My situation is 0:42:32.615 --> 0:42:37.175 over winter, I had moisture trickly in through the event 0:42:37.415 --> 0:42:43.655 into the house, through the event in this cupboard area. 0:42:44.015 --> 0:42:44.335 Yes. 0:42:45.895 --> 0:42:46.815 Should that happen? 0:42:49.735 --> 0:42:54.975 Interestingly enough, I have encountered it only I think on 0:42:54.975 --> 0:43:00.615 one occasion where, again a new build, after a period 0:43:00.615 --> 0:43:03.695 of time, the homeowner got back in touch and said, hey, look, 0:43:03.735 --> 0:43:07.615 I've noticed that I've got connensation coming out or moisture 0:43:07.615 --> 0:43:11.815 coming out. And so as a contractor, you immediately think shivers. 0:43:11.895 --> 0:43:13.735 Is there a pipe that's leaked and it happens to 0:43:13.775 --> 0:43:17.695 be dripping into there and coming out. It is more 0:43:17.855 --> 0:43:22.055 likely to be condensation that's collecting in the pipe and 0:43:22.095 --> 0:43:26.495 then draining backwards and dropping out through the extraction and 0:43:26.575 --> 0:43:29.855 into that area. The fact that it happens in two locations, 0:43:30.655 --> 0:43:32.935 because it's not particularly common, so. 0:43:32.935 --> 0:43:34.935 It's one one one of these. 0:43:35.095 --> 0:43:36.415 Only one of the only one of them. 0:43:36.575 --> 0:43:46.255 Does okay, I suspect that it's condensation that's there. It 0:43:46.415 --> 0:43:54.335 could be that the where's the comment? Do you think 0:43:54.375 --> 0:43:57.615 that there's any possibility that moisture is being driven in 0:43:57.695 --> 0:44:01.655 from the outlet of the extraction in to the to 0:44:01.735 --> 0:44:02.615 the ducting. 0:44:07.775 --> 0:44:10.975 To the designer of the house earlier in the week, 0:44:11.095 --> 0:44:15.615 and he suggested that it could be not installed properly 0:44:15.735 --> 0:44:18.735 because he said to me, it shouldn't you shouldn't have 0:44:18.815 --> 0:44:22.295 this moisture coming into the house. It was the middle 0:44:22.335 --> 0:44:26.415 of winter as well, and there's very high humidity where 0:44:26.455 --> 0:44:30.055 I live in the middle of winter outside. 0:44:30.735 --> 0:44:34.855 Yeah, I mean, look, it's possible that during the extraction process, right, 0:44:34.935 --> 0:44:38.695 so you've got that moisture that you're extracting out, it's 0:44:38.695 --> 0:44:43.535 obviously laden with moisture, and so when you turn it. 0:44:43.655 --> 0:44:51.935 Actually, sorry, I had this put in looking ahead in 0:44:52.135 --> 0:44:56.135 case I ever put a dry as here. But there's 0:44:56.135 --> 0:45:00.135 a washing machine there, but it always runs on cooler temperature, 0:45:00.775 --> 0:45:05.335 and it's I don't believe it's a moist environment at 0:45:05.335 --> 0:45:08.175 all apart from a washing machine. Does operation there? 0:45:08.415 --> 0:45:11.735 Yeah? Now the extraction point that you're discussing, does it 0:45:11.815 --> 0:45:13.895 have mechanical extraction attached to it? 0:45:15.175 --> 0:45:17.335 Yes, you flick a switch in the sand goes like 0:45:17.375 --> 0:45:18.615 in a bassroom. 0:45:18.215 --> 0:45:23.975 Right, okay. And is it on the water on the ceiling. 0:45:24.935 --> 0:45:27.975 It's on the ceiling, okay. 0:45:28.055 --> 0:45:32.855 So it's purely extraction for moisture for air, rather than 0:45:32.895 --> 0:45:37.855 it's not ducting for the dryer to duct the dryer dryer. 0:45:42.255 --> 0:45:45.055 I think it's most likely to be condensation that's collecting 0:45:45.055 --> 0:45:48.695 and deducting and then draining backwards right and drop it 0:45:48.735 --> 0:45:57.295 back out again. I mean that's how much water comes 0:45:57.335 --> 0:45:58.975 out or how much moisture you. 0:46:00.375 --> 0:46:04.935 During this particular period of time, it was trickling out 0:46:05.975 --> 0:46:12.095 over number of days. At one point, I just after 0:46:12.175 --> 0:46:15.255 it had been emptied out, I got up there and 0:46:15.335 --> 0:46:19.975 I tuned a little captain, and I took out I 0:46:20.015 --> 0:46:23.895 think about sixty mil And the next day more was 0:46:23.975 --> 0:46:25.655 tricking now, so. 0:46:25.695 --> 0:46:29.055 This is moisture that's trickling out of Like typically there's 0:46:29.095 --> 0:46:31.855 a grill that sits on the ceiling, so you're removing 0:46:31.855 --> 0:46:34.215 that grill and water is draining out from there. 0:46:35.215 --> 0:46:38.375 Yeah, there's a little round dome sing it's actually got 0:46:38.655 --> 0:46:43.135 a channel around the outside that presumably maybe there's capture 0:46:43.175 --> 0:46:47.215 some moisture and that was just full and overflowing. 0:46:49.815 --> 0:46:53.015 H Okay, I'll tell you what. I may need to 0:46:53.055 --> 0:46:55.695 go and chat with an expert, And as it happens, 0:46:55.735 --> 0:46:57.975 we've got one of those sort of on tap, which 0:46:58.015 --> 0:47:00.695 is a storm who has been a guest on the 0:47:00.735 --> 0:47:07.495 show who's basically an extraction and ventilation expert. So I'll 0:47:07.535 --> 0:47:09.815 give her a call during the week and put that 0:47:09.935 --> 0:47:14.135 to her. I think it'll be condensation, but it's still 0:47:14.175 --> 0:47:18.535 a little bit unusual for that amount, like sixty mils 0:47:18.575 --> 0:47:22.095 is not an inconsiderable amount of condensation to accumulate in 0:47:22.215 --> 0:47:27.295 the ducting and be coming backwards. Given so and from 0:47:27.455 --> 0:47:31.255 the inlet, So inside your laundry where the stuckt is 0:47:31.295 --> 0:47:35.415 to the outside, what's the distance of that run. 0:47:36.295 --> 0:47:40.375 Approximately approximately four meters, no more than four and a half. 0:47:41.615 --> 0:47:44.815 Okay, yeah, so it's unlikely to be driving back in 0:47:44.895 --> 0:47:51.335 from outside and outside the grill that's been attached to 0:47:51.375 --> 0:47:53.415 the outlet, is that one of the ones that has 0:47:53.415 --> 0:47:55.935 a little flap on it, so that when air is 0:47:56.135 --> 0:47:59.495 pushing out, the flaps rise and allows their to go out, 0:47:59.535 --> 0:48:02.415 and then when you turn it off, the flaps drop 0:48:02.495 --> 0:48:05.935 down like a louver and seal the entry. 0:48:06.935 --> 0:48:09.775 Okay, that's a good question. It's got a little hood 0:48:09.815 --> 0:48:11.895 thing on the outside of the house, and I haven't 0:48:11.935 --> 0:48:14.095 seen up inside the hood. 0:48:13.935 --> 0:48:16.775 So okay, that would be interesting to know too, because 0:48:17.535 --> 0:48:20.655 I think to get compliance these days you need the 0:48:20.695 --> 0:48:26.295 hood which stops air basically outside air pushing back in 0:48:26.335 --> 0:48:28.895 to the house. But then most of them also have 0:48:29.095 --> 0:48:31.935 it's either three or four little louver blades or flaps 0:48:31.975 --> 0:48:36.815 on them that drop back down and seal the extraction 0:48:38.255 --> 0:48:39.935 when it's not used, and then as soon as you 0:48:39.975 --> 0:48:43.175 turn it on, the air pressure from the fan pushes 0:48:43.215 --> 0:48:46.615 those open and it allows air to escape. But when 0:48:46.615 --> 0:48:49.575 it's not running, they should close down again, So that 0:48:50.055 --> 0:48:53.735 might be a contributing factor. But look, I've written myself 0:48:53.735 --> 0:48:56.495 a note, so stay tuned next week and I'll make 0:48:56.495 --> 0:48:57.535 sure I raise this again. 0:48:58.895 --> 0:49:04.135 Now build. Does a builder have to rectify things like 0:49:04.175 --> 0:49:06.575 this within a certain time period. 0:49:07.815 --> 0:49:10.775 I think it's not unreasonable for you to say, hey, look, 0:49:10.815 --> 0:49:13.735 this shouldn't be happening. Therefore, I'd like you to come 0:49:13.735 --> 0:49:17.375 and find a solution. And chances are the main contractor 0:49:17.455 --> 0:49:21.055 will say that it's the electrician's fault. The electrician will 0:49:21.055 --> 0:49:23.455 say that it's the plumber's fault. The plumber will say 0:49:23.455 --> 0:49:26.135 that it's the builder's fault. The builder will say that 0:49:26.175 --> 0:49:29.255 it's the manufacturer's fault. The manufacturer will say that the 0:49:29.535 --> 0:49:33.895 electrician didn't install it directly. And you know, maybe one 0:49:33.975 --> 0:49:37.575 day someone will come and fix it. Someone has ticked 0:49:37.615 --> 0:49:43.575 through and see, you know, ideally, well, like deducting ultimately 0:49:43.615 --> 0:49:46.175 will run uphill to some degree because if it's in 0:49:46.255 --> 0:49:48.615 the ceiling, it will go up and then it will 0:49:48.615 --> 0:49:51.135 go over. So there's always going to be a point 0:49:51.135 --> 0:49:55.575 at which the extraction rises. But it's again and that's 0:49:55.815 --> 0:49:58.455 you know, like that bend. So is it a two 0:49:58.535 --> 0:50:01.895 story house or single story house? No, it's single story, 0:50:02.015 --> 0:50:06.215 single story. So the fan is mounted in the ceiling space, 0:50:06.335 --> 0:50:11.255 so you could get access to that, okay, because it 0:50:11.335 --> 0:50:14.575 may well be like often with ducting, we assume that 0:50:14.615 --> 0:50:17.655 it has some sort of magical power, right, And I've 0:50:17.655 --> 0:50:20.975 seen all sorts of ducting installed with twists and bends 0:50:21.015 --> 0:50:23.735 and crushed and all the rest of it. So ducting 0:50:23.815 --> 0:50:26.535 needs to be installed properly in order for these systems 0:50:26.535 --> 0:50:30.215 to work. And in fact, I had this discussion with 0:50:30.255 --> 0:50:33.335 a guy on Friday who came round to talk about 0:50:33.375 --> 0:50:37.935 extraction actually on a project, and because I've got an 0:50:37.935 --> 0:50:41.015 issue where I'm not getting sufficient extraction out of a bathroom. 0:50:41.295 --> 0:50:45.095 So I've now this company of Simmics have just released 0:50:45.135 --> 0:50:48.455 a brand new type of extraction which has a moisture 0:50:48.575 --> 0:50:52.215 or a humidity sensor in it, so it knows when 0:50:52.215 --> 0:50:54.575 it needs to turn on and how much it needs 0:50:54.615 --> 0:50:57.655 to turn on. So it's a smart, very smart system. 0:50:57.855 --> 0:50:59.655 So I'm about to install that in a project where 0:50:59.655 --> 0:51:02.775 I've had a persistent issue with moisture in a bathroom. 0:51:03.135 --> 0:51:05.735 And we were talking exactly about the need to get 0:51:05.735 --> 0:51:09.015 your ducting right. You know that sweeping ben straight runs, 0:51:09.375 --> 0:51:11.975 not crushing at all, those sorts of things, So it 0:51:12.055 --> 0:51:14.295 might be worth getting someone to go into the ceiling 0:51:14.295 --> 0:51:16.815 and just have a look at how that ducting has 0:51:16.895 --> 0:51:19.895 been installed as well, just to make sure that it's 0:51:19.935 --> 0:51:23.975 done to the manufacturer's requirements to ensure that it's going 0:51:24.055 --> 0:51:27.295 to work properly. So there's a bit of complexity around it. Okay, 0:51:27.975 --> 0:51:29.975 I'll stay in touch, so tune in next week and 0:51:30.175 --> 0:51:32.375 I'll make sure I have a chat with Storm about this. 0:51:34.015 --> 0:51:34.135 Much. 0:51:34.655 --> 0:51:37.495 All the best, Bye by Ride. Oh Michael, good morning 0:51:37.495 --> 0:51:37.855 to you. 0:51:38.855 --> 0:51:39.775 Oh, good morning, Peter. 0:51:40.175 --> 0:51:42.735 Hey, what I wring about this. I've got a house 0:51:42.775 --> 0:51:45.775 at christ Church, YEP, which I'm in the process of 0:51:45.895 --> 0:51:48.735 I'm moving out of and I'm going to rent it out. 0:51:49.735 --> 0:51:53.735 I've got attached garage, attach single garage, and it's got 0:51:53.735 --> 0:51:55.495 a stipple ceiling and I've had a test it and 0:51:55.535 --> 0:51:59.415 it's positive business. And I want to replace that ceiling anyways, 0:51:59.575 --> 0:52:01.615 because it's got a whole in one quarter. So yes, 0:52:01.615 --> 0:52:04.895 that's pretty pretty clear cautity to do that. While i've 0:52:04.895 --> 0:52:08.055 got it, I've had a look. I've still got about 0:52:08.055 --> 0:52:11.335 thirty square meters of rooms in the house. There's a 0:52:11.415 --> 0:52:15.575 small bedroom, a bathroom, and a laundry and a toilet. 0:52:15.735 --> 0:52:20.255 But I've still got stifle stiple ceilings. They weren't they 0:52:20.255 --> 0:52:22.735 weren't repaired after the earthquake because they were rooms that 0:52:22.775 --> 0:52:25.055 had absolutely no damage in it, you know what I mean. 0:52:25.775 --> 0:52:28.175 The rest of the house was where the stifle ceilings 0:52:28.175 --> 0:52:32.135 were got rid of. And now I'm wondering that. I've 0:52:32.175 --> 0:52:35.055 had three contractors look at the job. All of them 0:52:35.055 --> 0:52:38.015 say the same thing. The ceiling, these stiple ceilings in 0:52:38.095 --> 0:52:41.495 these three rooms are in very very good order. I 0:52:41.535 --> 0:52:44.215 mean there's no you know, there's nothing broken. And they say, 0:52:44.255 --> 0:52:47.055 you don't need to do that, but you can. You 0:52:47.135 --> 0:52:49.015 can because how it's going to be in so I 0:52:49.055 --> 0:52:52.095 can't do it. But it's just the face. There will 0:52:52.135 --> 0:52:53.855 be a bit of damage to the walls when they 0:52:53.975 --> 0:52:56.295 because they'll drop the ceiling out, you see, they won't 0:52:56.295 --> 0:52:56.935 scrape it off. 0:52:57.215 --> 0:52:57.735 Yep, yep. 0:53:00.095 --> 0:53:03.215 What I'm wondering is how how critical well, no, not 0:53:03.375 --> 0:53:06.495 so critical. Do you think it's a good idea? Do 0:53:06.615 --> 0:53:10.775 I do rip the stiffle seeing out rather than leave 0:53:10.815 --> 0:53:13.655 it there? Even though it said good order? I mean 0:53:13.695 --> 0:53:16.615 there's no say, there's no cracks or anything. A three 0:53:16.655 --> 0:53:18.815 separate contract there's all said, there's no need to do it. 0:53:18.855 --> 0:53:22.775 I mean you're putting tendency here. Nobody's going to yeah, nobody, Yeah, 0:53:22.895 --> 0:53:25.055 what what would your attitude be on that? 0:53:25.615 --> 0:53:28.055 Look? I guess if you're taking the approach as a 0:53:28.055 --> 0:53:30.415 as an investor or as a landlord, you're looking at 0:53:30.455 --> 0:53:33.855 return on investment, right, So if you go ahead and 0:53:33.935 --> 0:53:37.175 spend whatever a couple of several thousand dollars in pulling 0:53:37.215 --> 0:53:39.015 the ceilings down, you just. 0:53:39.015 --> 0:53:42.295 Will probably probably looking at close I'd say you're probably 0:53:42.295 --> 0:53:44.935 looking about fifteen thousand dollars by the place you've by 0:53:44.935 --> 0:53:46.895 the time you've replaced. 0:53:47.815 --> 0:53:50.135 And because we've got two different issues, haven't we. We got 0:53:50.175 --> 0:53:53.415 one where you've got asbestos, so it's in your interest 0:53:53.495 --> 0:53:55.735 to remove that. That's a good thing to do. The 0:53:55.815 --> 0:53:58.335 other thing, then, is okay, I've got a similar ceiling 0:53:58.375 --> 0:54:01.415 which kind of dates the house in another part of 0:54:01.455 --> 0:54:03.735 the house. So I guess I would look at it 0:54:05.175 --> 0:54:08.735 as an investor and go, okay, I'm going to spend 0:54:08.735 --> 0:54:10.735 this amount of money. Am I going to either get 0:54:10.735 --> 0:54:13.735 a return on my investment by getting slightly better rent 0:54:13.895 --> 0:54:16.615 for the property? Or am I increasing the value of 0:54:16.615 --> 0:54:19.135 the house so that when I inevitably go to sell it, 0:54:19.135 --> 0:54:21.375 it makes it more saleable and I'll get a return 0:54:21.415 --> 0:54:25.255 on my investment. Then, And if those numbers stack up, 0:54:25.295 --> 0:54:27.495 then do it. Because from a practical point, of view, 0:54:27.895 --> 0:54:30.335 the ceiling's in good condition, it's not leaking, it's not 0:54:30.375 --> 0:54:34.015 falling down. Those sorts of things. There's actually no reason 0:54:34.135 --> 0:54:36.895 to do it. The only reason you would do it 0:54:36.935 --> 0:54:39.615 is is it going to increase the value of my asset. 0:54:41.535 --> 0:54:42.375 That's how I would. 0:54:42.215 --> 0:54:46.295 Say it probably could do them, but it couldn't it here, Yeah, 0:54:46.335 --> 0:54:49.415 because there's no there's no oblique I mean, no ten's 0:54:49.455 --> 0:54:52.015 going to come in here and say something wrong with 0:54:52.055 --> 0:54:53.815 that ceiling sort of thing. You wouldn't even. 0:54:56.175 --> 0:54:59.055 So I'm saying that, you know, purely, I guess from 0:54:59.095 --> 0:55:01.175 an investment point of view. I'm not thinking about it 0:55:01.215 --> 0:55:04.175 in terms of aesthetics or anything like that. Yes, a 0:55:04.295 --> 0:55:08.095 nice flat, new ceiling would look lovely. Does it? Does 0:55:08.135 --> 0:55:10.615 it get you an extra dollar and rent? And to 0:55:10.655 --> 0:55:12.575 be fair, if it doesn't, then you kind of go, 0:55:12.775 --> 0:55:13.455 why would. 0:55:13.215 --> 0:55:13.495 You do it? 0:55:14.975 --> 0:55:18.015 Rue it's not going to make any extra Yeah, because 0:55:18.455 --> 0:55:20.255 it's not going to make any difference to it that 0:55:20.415 --> 0:55:21.975 tended Yeah, I mean. 0:55:22.735 --> 0:55:25.375 But saying that, you you know, inevitably we end up 0:55:25.375 --> 0:55:27.815 selling these sorts of places. So do you go, Actually, 0:55:27.815 --> 0:55:30.375 if I do it now and I put the property 0:55:30.375 --> 0:55:32.295 on the market in a couple of years, time, five 0:55:32.335 --> 0:55:34.775 years time, whenever. And it's presented like that, is it 0:55:34.815 --> 0:55:37.295 going to be more attractive to a buyer, and I 0:55:37.335 --> 0:55:40.295 can do it now and offset some of the costs, 0:55:40.295 --> 0:55:43.295 et cetera, et cetera, then maybe it makes sense. But 0:55:43.615 --> 0:55:45.415 to me it would just be you do the numbers 0:55:45.415 --> 0:55:47.135 and if the numbers point you in that direction, you 0:55:47.175 --> 0:55:47.615 go for it. 0:55:48.575 --> 0:55:53.855 Yeah, good luck at the value eventually. 0:55:53.615 --> 0:55:56.655 Then then maybe it's worth investing in all the rest you, Michael, 0:55:56.735 --> 0:55:58.975 take care, We'll take short break. We'll be back with 0:55:59.095 --> 0:56:01.215 Martin in just a moment. You and new Still said 0:56:01.215 --> 0:56:04.975 b twenty five minutes after seven, and Martin a very 0:56:04.975 --> 0:56:06.295 good morning to you. 0:56:06.735 --> 0:56:09.735 Good morning, Peter, thanks to this opportunity. 0:56:09.815 --> 0:56:10.055 Peter. 0:56:10.215 --> 0:56:17.255 I'm reclatting my house and cedar shingles yellow Canadian cedar shingles, 0:56:17.855 --> 0:56:21.215 and we ordered these or group we've got these four 0:56:21.335 --> 0:56:26.335 years ago and now there's only red singer shows yes, 0:56:26.735 --> 0:56:32.015 and I'm six bundle sport. Oh cunning ideas or anybody. 0:56:32.215 --> 0:56:34.655 I've been on marketplace and trade men can't find anyon. 0:56:34.735 --> 0:56:37.735 Wonder if anybody or you might know how I might 0:56:37.815 --> 0:56:41.015 find some seedar shingles short of a three month delivery 0:56:41.135 --> 0:56:42.055 ordered out of Canada. 0:56:42.255 --> 0:56:49.575 Ah, okay, so you've obviously gone back to the original supplier. Yeah, 0:56:50.015 --> 0:56:52.615 I have to say, just between you and I don't 0:56:52.655 --> 0:56:57.295 actually like yellow cedar shingles. But that's a terrible thing 0:56:57.335 --> 0:56:59.415 to say, given that you've chosen to use it on 0:56:59.455 --> 0:57:03.255 the clouding. My preference has always been for the red ones. 0:57:03.295 --> 0:57:07.495 But saying that I have installed them, and I I, 0:57:07.535 --> 0:57:12.175 are you doing shingles as cladding or as roofing, planting, platting, 0:57:12.615 --> 0:57:15.295 all extensively or just sort of as a detail thing. 0:57:16.695 --> 0:57:21.935 No, extensively right around and we're we've put on a 0:57:21.975 --> 0:57:25.095 little extension. I did that and then did half of 0:57:25.095 --> 0:57:26.975 the house. Now I'm doing the other half of the 0:57:27.015 --> 0:57:29.575 house to match it. 0:57:29.855 --> 0:57:30.055 Yeah. 0:57:30.135 --> 0:57:32.655 I was always going to do, but financially I just 0:57:32.695 --> 0:57:34.975 held off for a few years. And there I've got 0:57:34.975 --> 0:57:36.095 myself in this situation. 0:57:38.295 --> 0:57:41.415 Just a technical thing then in order to do see 0:57:41.415 --> 0:57:44.575 the shingles, obviously they're fixed to a substrate. So the 0:57:44.655 --> 0:57:48.055 plywood is the plywood on a cavity or is the 0:57:48.055 --> 0:57:49.935 plywood direct fixed to the framing. 0:57:52.575 --> 0:58:00.135 It's it's fixed to a the framing with with new 0:58:00.215 --> 0:58:05.015 you know, new paper and ply Yep, some of it 0:58:05.135 --> 0:58:07.935 some of the claarly we've taken the old clay was 0:58:08.015 --> 0:58:11.855 taken off, yes, which is fiber plank called aigdi plank, 0:58:11.895 --> 0:58:16.615 called ever it's called. That's taken off and you know, repaved, applied, 0:58:16.975 --> 0:58:18.535 and the shingles going over the top of that. 0:58:19.015 --> 0:58:23.495 Yeah, okay, So the dilemmas you need six bundles of shingles. 0:58:23.695 --> 0:58:25.855 How many square meters in a bundle? Roughly, It's been 0:58:25.855 --> 0:58:26.655 a while since I've. 0:58:26.535 --> 0:58:27.095 Put some up. 0:58:27.895 --> 0:58:29.535 I think about three and a half. 0:58:29.975 --> 0:58:32.095 I was going to say it's about three. Feels like 0:58:32.175 --> 0:58:35.575 a yeah, yeah, I say, I do. 0:58:36.215 --> 0:58:36.455 I know. 0:58:36.495 --> 0:58:38.895 I made the comment about the color sleeping. I love 0:58:38.975 --> 0:58:41.695 doing shingles, and one of the happiest jobs I did 0:58:41.695 --> 0:58:45.895 a couple of years ago was replacing the shingles over 0:58:45.935 --> 0:58:48.375 an eyebrow on an old villa on a bay window, 0:58:48.575 --> 0:58:52.095 and often the center window has a little eyebrow, a 0:58:52.095 --> 0:58:54.255 little awning over the top of it, right, which is 0:58:54.335 --> 0:58:58.375 kind of ornamental. And then it's got the original Cali shingles, 0:58:58.415 --> 0:59:00.655 which were all ripped down so though they were exactly 0:59:00.695 --> 0:59:05.215 the same width, and then mited or basically they had 0:59:05.255 --> 0:59:08.175 like an arrowhead on them, a point on them. So 0:59:08.295 --> 0:59:12.775 when I replace those, I grab some new cedar shingles, 0:59:13.455 --> 0:59:16.015 rip them all down to the same size, cut them 0:59:16.015 --> 0:59:17.815 all so that they had the arrowhead on it, and 0:59:18.215 --> 0:59:22.055 reinstated it. And I mean, and I've done quite a 0:59:22.215 --> 0:59:24.695 on bungalows and that, you know, bay windows where your 0:59:24.775 --> 0:59:29.935 cedar underneath the window or a gable end for example. Yeah, 0:59:29.975 --> 0:59:32.615 I really do love doing them. I can understand where 0:59:32.615 --> 0:59:35.655 you're going for cedar shingles on the outside sounds great. Look, 0:59:35.655 --> 0:59:38.015 I tell you what best betters, go back to Hope 0:59:38.015 --> 0:59:41.495 my producer. Leave your number. If someone texts in and goes, 0:59:41.655 --> 0:59:45.375 actually I've got six bales of yellow cedar shingles and 0:59:45.935 --> 0:59:48.575 I can do you a deal, then that's great. Otherwise, 0:59:48.815 --> 0:59:51.655 I think unless you've rung around, you've probably gone to 0:59:51.655 --> 0:59:53.735 South Pacific, You've gone to Hernpack, You've gone to a 0:59:53.735 --> 0:59:56.215 couple of the other big suppliers. If they've have you 0:59:56.255 --> 0:59:57.375 tried South Pacific. 0:59:57.135 --> 0:59:59.735 Timber in Auckland, Yeah, yeah. 0:59:59.455 --> 1:00:04.655 Okay, that's who I typically buy shingles from. Hern Pack. 1:00:06.375 --> 1:00:10.895 Yeah yeah, rosen Felt and Kitsen Yes, yeah, okay, you've 1:00:10.935 --> 1:00:13.695 had all the places that I would if someone happens 1:00:13.695 --> 1:00:16.455 to have sex bundles. They can contact Martin, leave you 1:00:16.535 --> 1:00:18.015 number with hope we'll see what happens. 1:00:18.815 --> 1:00:19.455 I appreciate it. 1:00:20.055 --> 1:00:23.015 Otherwise three months it'll still be summer. So don't worry 1:00:23.055 --> 1:00:30.975 about that. Take care. Oh what a dilemma. Look, it happens, 1:00:31.415 --> 1:00:36.695 you know, and inevitably you are either over order under order. 1:00:37.535 --> 1:00:41.135 It is a real skill to get just the right quantity, 1:00:42.055 --> 1:00:44.775 So I'm not giving them a hard time for that. 1:00:45.975 --> 1:00:47.815 A couple of texts that are come in with regard 1:00:47.895 --> 1:00:50.975 to the condensation, So this is the whole issue of 1:00:51.375 --> 1:00:54.255 moisture dripping out, So condensation dripping out of the ceiling 1:00:54.415 --> 1:00:59.495 vent pipe, so it's extraction from a laundry area and 1:00:59.615 --> 1:01:02.055 a bit of moisture drops out. So it seems like 1:01:02.135 --> 1:01:05.655 the consensus from people is pretty much along the lines 1:01:05.815 --> 1:01:10.695 of deducting has been maybe not quite correctly installed. It's 1:01:10.735 --> 1:01:13.575 too much of it, as going uphill the fan might 1:01:13.575 --> 1:01:16.055 be a bit underspect in terms of it's not pushing 1:01:16.135 --> 1:01:20.015 the moisture out. I always think that fans should be 1:01:20.055 --> 1:01:22.695 set to a timer which keeps them running for a 1:01:22.735 --> 1:01:26.815 period of time after you've actually turned them off, just 1:01:26.895 --> 1:01:29.695 to continue to do the extraction. And like the one 1:01:29.695 --> 1:01:33.695 that I picked up on Friday. This is the Simix 1:01:33.735 --> 1:01:36.015 one that I picked up. I'm going to test out. 1:01:36.175 --> 1:01:39.055 It has a humidity sensor on it, so it will 1:01:39.095 --> 1:01:42.215 continue to run when it senses that it needs to 1:01:42.295 --> 1:01:45.535 run and when it's not required in terms of registering 1:01:45.815 --> 1:01:48.935 the humidity in the room, it will continue to run 1:01:49.215 --> 1:01:53.295 essentially continuously at a very low level so that there's 1:01:53.335 --> 1:01:55.335 always airflow in the room. So it'll be interesting to 1:01:55.335 --> 1:01:58.375 see if that deals with this issue in a particular bathroom. 1:01:59.015 --> 1:02:00.655 Seven thirty one. Do we need to take a break? 1:02:00.775 --> 1:02:00.935 Yeah? 1:02:01.575 --> 1:02:03.295 Where are no? 1:02:03.455 --> 1:02:06.535 Not yet? Yes, we do. Hang on, Mary, I'll be 1:02:06.535 --> 1:02:08.335 with you in just a moment. Just a couple of 1:02:08.415 --> 1:02:11.055 quick texts that have come in with regard to Michael's 1:02:11.055 --> 1:02:14.175 comments about replacing the ceiling. So this is an existing 1:02:14.215 --> 1:02:16.735 building that's about to become a rental, but isn't one 1:02:16.815 --> 1:02:19.255 right now, And that's an important point. One of the 1:02:19.295 --> 1:02:24.815 ceilings that was tested contains asbestos the material ACM, and 1:02:24.855 --> 1:02:28.135 so they've decided that they're going to remove that. The 1:02:28.175 --> 1:02:32.855 other ceilings look similar but are not don't contain any 1:02:32.895 --> 1:02:36.455 asbestos material in them, so there's no requirement or there's 1:02:36.455 --> 1:02:41.175 no urgent need to replace those. So the question was, 1:02:41.175 --> 1:02:43.855 look do I do it? And I, in that discussion said, well, 1:02:43.895 --> 1:02:48.455 I guess there's the potential for deductibility and someone has 1:02:48.495 --> 1:02:50.815 TechEd through it quite rightly. Hey Pete, but concerned that 1:02:50.855 --> 1:02:53.735 you suggested that fixing the ceilings of a potential rental 1:02:53.775 --> 1:02:56.135 would be deductible. From a tax perspective, that would be 1:02:56.175 --> 1:03:00.775 a capital expense. Deductibility can be a complex matter, but 1:03:00.935 --> 1:03:03.855 in essence, the property has to be rented first in 1:03:03.975 --> 1:03:07.975 order to claim against income is done prior to being rented, 1:03:08.015 --> 1:03:10.455 then the cost is a capital one suggests you stick 1:03:10.495 --> 1:03:12.815 to your knitting. Thank you very much for the text. No, 1:03:12.855 --> 1:03:16.655 I appreciate it, and I'm not suggesting that it's not. 1:03:18.015 --> 1:03:22.015 He would need to make sure that he followed the regulations. 1:03:22.055 --> 1:03:24.895 If there is some opportunity for deductibility, then you've got 1:03:24.935 --> 1:03:26.815 to have the right conditions, and one of those is 1:03:27.055 --> 1:03:29.455 that the property has to be are rental rather than 1:03:29.495 --> 1:03:31.815 becoming a rental. So thanks very much for your texts. 1:03:31.815 --> 1:03:34.815 I appreciate that someone's also calling me a hypocrite because 1:03:34.895 --> 1:03:38.015 I'm someone who detests people mowing their lawns on Sunday. 1:03:38.295 --> 1:03:39.975 The test might be a bit of a strong word, 1:03:40.775 --> 1:03:42.855 but you're going to be doing the water blasting on Sunday. 1:03:43.175 --> 1:03:46.415 Water blasting motor mowing. Not really the same thing. Not 1:03:46.535 --> 1:03:49.695 quite as noisy, not quite as that piercing sound. Actually, 1:03:49.735 --> 1:03:54.935 speaking about piercing sounds, here's a good teach email from Dave. Hey, Pete, 1:03:54.935 --> 1:03:57.135 can you give me the rules around the installation of 1:03:57.175 --> 1:04:00.135 a heat pump. Our neighbors have installed one and we 1:04:00.175 --> 1:04:03.575 can hear it throughout the house and outside on our deck. 1:04:03.855 --> 1:04:06.655 The houses are close together. This is modern living. The 1:04:06.695 --> 1:04:08.895 offending pump is about two and a half meters from 1:04:09.015 --> 1:04:11.975 our boundary and goes on for about twelve hours a day. 1:04:12.375 --> 1:04:16.535 Not sure if it hears the sound or their pool. 1:04:16.735 --> 1:04:18.815 I'm not sure what that is. Surely there must be 1:04:18.855 --> 1:04:21.335 rules about how much noise they can make. They say 1:04:21.375 --> 1:04:25.055 they don't see it as a problem. Thanks from Dave. Dave, 1:04:25.175 --> 1:04:27.295 I don't know if there are any specific rules. I 1:04:27.295 --> 1:04:29.775 would imagine that if the heat pump, the outdoor unit, 1:04:29.855 --> 1:04:32.135 was located on the boundary, you'd probably have a concern. 1:04:32.455 --> 1:04:36.695 Two and a half meters from the boundary. Do you 1:04:36.735 --> 1:04:39.655 have a right to say, hey, look, it's a bit annoying. 1:04:39.695 --> 1:04:44.895 I mean they can be noisy. I don't know if 1:04:44.895 --> 1:04:46.615 you know the answers to that. See me a text. 1:04:46.655 --> 1:04:48.535 Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number 1:04:48.535 --> 1:04:49.695 to call Mary? Good morning? 1:04:50.735 --> 1:04:52.855 Yes hi? Now is it Peter or Peter? 1:04:53.495 --> 1:04:56.175 I don't mind. To be fair, let's stick with Pete. 1:04:56.855 --> 1:05:00.215 Okay, Well, I've got my Peter tucked up in bed still. 1:05:00.255 --> 1:05:00.615 All right? 1:05:00.655 --> 1:05:02.335 You leave them there and you chat away to me. 1:05:03.175 --> 1:05:09.175 Yes, well, our property six hundred and seventy five square meters. 1:05:09.215 --> 1:05:12.935 So we keep getting developers popping notes and you know, 1:05:13.095 --> 1:05:16.735 to buy the place, and we've been told they could. 1:05:17.015 --> 1:05:19.935 When they take it, they would pull our house down 1:05:20.015 --> 1:05:25.295 and put up for two or three story units whatever. 1:05:25.975 --> 1:05:29.255 Now I'm wondering, is it feasible for us to try 1:05:29.255 --> 1:05:35.055 and do that ourselves, perhaps, you know, get someone take 1:05:35.135 --> 1:05:39.215 the house away and then go and rent a property ourselves, 1:05:39.295 --> 1:05:43.935 and get someone to come and build the four places 1:05:43.975 --> 1:05:47.335 for us and on sell them. We'd have to get 1:05:47.375 --> 1:05:51.135 a mortgage on the property. Would that be feasible or 1:05:51.135 --> 1:05:52.415 would it cost too much? 1:05:54.455 --> 1:05:58.975 I guess it's feasible, but you would have to You've 1:05:58.975 --> 1:06:01.695 got to do your numbers, and you know, with the 1:06:01.735 --> 1:06:06.255 greatest respect, I've seen any number of sort of first 1:06:06.535 --> 1:06:10.735 time developers come a cropper in a massive way, right, 1:06:12.455 --> 1:06:16.295 you know, where they didn't get their numbers, or they're 1:06:16.415 --> 1:06:19.255 they're trying to do the project management themselves and they 1:06:19.295 --> 1:06:22.775 can't keep it control of the budget or the progress. 1:06:22.855 --> 1:06:27.535 They run into unexpected, you know, like if it's the 1:06:27.575 --> 1:06:32.735 successful developers that I know are obviously extremely experienced, right, 1:06:32.775 --> 1:06:34.535 so they can look at a site, they can figure 1:06:34.535 --> 1:06:39.175 out planning regulations, storewater regulations, resource consent, They've got their 1:06:39.215 --> 1:06:43.055 contractors lined up, they know what type of building methodology 1:06:43.615 --> 1:06:47.215 is cost effective. So if you have to try and 1:06:47.415 --> 1:06:51.855 learn all of that and do the development yourself, yes 1:06:51.935 --> 1:06:54.895 there is opportunity, but I would suggest that there is 1:06:54.935 --> 1:06:56.495 also significant risk. 1:06:58.215 --> 1:07:06.935 And dory I hate GJ gardener a high in places 1:07:07.055 --> 1:07:10.255 that they sound really reasonable and I thought, well, I'd 1:07:10.295 --> 1:07:11.855 just get someone to come and do it. 1:07:12.255 --> 1:07:16.375 Yes, well, that's certainly an option, and I've heard similar ads, 1:07:16.415 --> 1:07:19.535 and I know of a couple of people have done 1:07:19.575 --> 1:07:21.975 exactly that. You happen to be sitting on a piece 1:07:21.975 --> 1:07:26.815 of land that has development potential, but you would also 1:07:27.255 --> 1:07:29.575 before you even went into this, you'd need to go 1:07:29.735 --> 1:07:33.095 and get some maybe some independent planning advice as to 1:07:33.175 --> 1:07:37.135 what's feasible. You'd need to get someone to check things like, 1:07:38.535 --> 1:07:42.015 you know, accessibility to services. And again, you know, one 1:07:42.055 --> 1:07:45.615 of the risks of development is along the lines of Okay, 1:07:46.215 --> 1:07:48.215 I want to do it, but then council's going to 1:07:48.295 --> 1:07:52.695 require an upgrade to the wastewater system, for example, and 1:07:52.975 --> 1:07:57.615 suddenly I'm responsible for upgrading a council line, or I'm 1:07:57.615 --> 1:08:01.695 going to bridge over an existing line, or you know, 1:08:02.655 --> 1:08:06.375 even the cost of adding more water meters. You know, 1:08:06.615 --> 1:08:10.335 ten twelve years ago a water meter was about eighteen 1:08:10.415 --> 1:08:14.455 hundred dollars. Today in Auckland anyway, last time, well the 1:08:14.495 --> 1:08:16.335 last one that I was aware of, they are about 1:08:16.375 --> 1:08:19.895 fifteen thousand dollars per water meter. So you know, all 1:08:19.935 --> 1:08:23.015 of these things you've got to look at costs. And 1:08:23.695 --> 1:08:26.975 at the moment, all of the discussion among the developers 1:08:27.095 --> 1:08:30.775 is basically, we can't build houses for less than we 1:08:30.815 --> 1:08:34.855 can buy them, so people are not buying and the 1:08:34.935 --> 1:08:37.415 development thing has just falling off a cliff. Now it's 1:08:37.455 --> 1:08:40.375 coming back slowly, but for the last eighteen months or so, 1:08:40.415 --> 1:08:41.695 it's just falling off a cliff. 1:08:41.895 --> 1:08:44.935 So well, we're living in a street or the road. 1:08:45.335 --> 1:08:50.455 They've got that many houses pulled down and buildings going up. 1:08:51.735 --> 1:08:58.095 It's quite busy the on and of course too, we'd 1:08:58.175 --> 1:09:01.575 have to we wouldn't really get a discount. We'd have 1:09:01.655 --> 1:09:04.095 to pay the full price on the building, wouldn't we 1:09:04.935 --> 1:09:08.135 The developers would have all at their own price, their 1:09:08.175 --> 1:09:08.815 own cost. 1:09:09.695 --> 1:09:12.695 Again, the developers, you know, they'll they'll have contacts either 1:09:12.735 --> 1:09:16.015 with merchants or with suppliers, and you know they'll know 1:09:16.175 --> 1:09:18.375 where to go to get the best cost out that 1:09:18.495 --> 1:09:19.895 sort of thing. Yeah, all of that. 1:09:20.375 --> 1:09:22.775 So look, the many other things I had thought of 1:09:22.895 --> 1:09:27.135 then is quite often we've had land agents come around 1:09:27.135 --> 1:09:29.615 and they said, oh, look at that back that should 1:09:29.695 --> 1:09:33.935 be gone, and I realized we could perhaps sell hat, 1:09:34.015 --> 1:09:37.055 you know, across these the back section, but I'm not 1:09:37.135 --> 1:09:40.935 quite sure of the width on the side of the 1:09:40.975 --> 1:09:44.495 house where they'd have to come up, although the land 1:09:44.575 --> 1:09:47.535 agents have never questioned it. They've just looked out the 1:09:47.615 --> 1:09:51.175 back and said, oh, wow, you've got all that, So 1:09:51.375 --> 1:09:52.295 maybe that'd be. 1:09:55.015 --> 1:09:57.375 Tell you it's a gold plated opportunity in order to 1:09:57.375 --> 1:10:00.495 get the listing. So just that, I think that the 1:10:00.575 --> 1:10:04.135 most challenging thing for you will be finding someone to 1:10:04.135 --> 1:10:06.855 give you independent advice on us. 1:10:06.855 --> 1:10:09.975 And someone I look to to. 1:10:09.695 --> 1:10:16.815 Talk to, maybe a local planner. I mean, look by 1:10:16.855 --> 1:10:19.695 all the means, you know, I have an engagement with 1:10:19.895 --> 1:10:22.775 the company. I suppose. The hard thing is like anyone 1:10:22.815 --> 1:10:26.295 that you you talk to who is involved in the 1:10:26.415 --> 1:10:29.575 in the development game is going to want to encourage 1:10:29.575 --> 1:10:32.415 you to partner with them, right, So it's that independent 1:10:32.455 --> 1:10:37.455 advice is going to be the most challenging thing to get. Look, 1:10:37.535 --> 1:10:40.815 I'm not sure that I'm going to give you much 1:10:40.855 --> 1:10:46.495 more information and advice apart from great opportunity be. 1:10:46.535 --> 1:10:52.215 Cautious, yes, when that has in help anyway, Lovely, Mary. 1:10:52.135 --> 1:10:55.495 My pleasure, all the very best, Take care then, Hey, Nick, 1:10:55.535 --> 1:10:57.935 good morning, how are you? 1:10:58.015 --> 1:10:58.215 Hey? 1:10:58.295 --> 1:10:59.775 Good things good? 1:10:59.815 --> 1:11:04.295 Hey. Look, I'm thinking of purchasing a property and just 1:11:04.335 --> 1:11:08.775 in the process of doing my due diligence. Believe it's 1:11:08.815 --> 1:11:12.895 got the I guess monolithic clouding. It's going to fiberc 1:11:13.055 --> 1:11:20.695 ent board, what looks like textured stack directly, yes, DirectX ye. 1:11:20.975 --> 1:11:23.695 Just looking to get a little bit of advice in 1:11:24.095 --> 1:11:26.895 what to lookout for. I know it's got the overhanging eves. 1:11:27.255 --> 1:11:29.655 There seems to be good air floor around it. It's 1:11:29.695 --> 1:11:33.215 been painted regularly as far as I can tell. But 1:11:33.455 --> 1:11:35.535 I mean, I'm going to be getting a builder building 1:11:35.535 --> 1:11:38.215 inspection done on it, moisture test and all that sort 1:11:38.255 --> 1:11:41.855 of thing. But just is there any other science symptoms 1:11:41.855 --> 1:11:42.495 to look out for? 1:11:42.935 --> 1:11:45.615 Yeah? Again, I think the fact that even you're going 1:11:45.615 --> 1:11:50.495 to engage with hopefully a licensed professional, suitably qualified and 1:11:50.615 --> 1:11:55.535 experience to determine whether or not there's any moisture in 1:11:55.615 --> 1:11:58.095 gress issues is the best advice I could give you. 1:11:58.175 --> 1:12:00.375 So I think if your head down it. But you 1:12:00.415 --> 1:12:03.495 know what, we there's been a lot of discussion around 1:12:03.535 --> 1:12:07.615 the quality of pre purchased inspections. So make sure that 1:12:07.655 --> 1:12:10.255 the person that you're contracting to do the work is 1:12:10.415 --> 1:12:14.095 suitably qualified. You know, there are standards. There is a 1:12:14.095 --> 1:12:17.775 New Zealand standard for pre purchase inspections. Make sure the 1:12:17.775 --> 1:12:22.255 person has got some qualification, that they've got insurance in 1:12:22.295 --> 1:12:26.135 place so that if their advice is not that great 1:12:26.615 --> 1:12:32.615 that you know, they could cover themselves for that. So yeah, 1:12:32.615 --> 1:12:36.255 look again these Yeah, the one thing we know about 1:12:36.255 --> 1:12:39.815 these systems is they have been the source of enormous 1:12:39.855 --> 1:12:43.095 issues in terms of weather tightness. So I think if 1:12:43.175 --> 1:12:45.735 you told me ten different platting types and then you 1:12:45.775 --> 1:12:48.055 describe that one. I'd go, that's the one to be 1:12:48.135 --> 1:12:51.255 most cautious about, saying that. I also know systems that 1:12:51.295 --> 1:12:56.415 were installed twenty years ago that perform absolutely perfectly fine. 1:12:56.575 --> 1:12:59.495 So I'm also not making the assumption that every type 1:12:59.495 --> 1:13:02.295 of house with that building methodology or that clouding system 1:13:02.535 --> 1:13:06.335 will fail, but we do know lots that did so, 1:13:06.655 --> 1:13:08.935 and making sure you get really good sound advice from 1:13:08.935 --> 1:13:10.735 an experienced person is the way to go. 1:13:11.535 --> 1:13:15.575 That's great. Any ideas of any names out there that. 1:13:16.375 --> 1:13:19.175 Look if you you know, if you want to be 1:13:19.175 --> 1:13:22.735 absolutely sure, then if you go to the New Zealand 1:13:22.735 --> 1:13:27.375 Institute of Building Surveyors website. So registered building surveyors have 1:13:27.415 --> 1:13:31.855 a whole different qualification to them. They will have people 1:13:31.855 --> 1:13:34.455 that conduct pre purchase inspections. If they're a member of 1:13:34.495 --> 1:13:38.575 that organization, you can be pretty confident about their ability. Awesome, 1:13:39.735 --> 1:13:41.615 take care, good luck, all the best. Bye. By then 1:13:41.935 --> 1:13:43.695 I'm going to take short break, me back and just 1:13:44.495 --> 1:13:46.095 you and New Stork. Se'd be a little bit of 1:13:46.135 --> 1:13:48.495 an update for you as well. Are we project or 1:13:48.535 --> 1:13:52.095 actually not that we reasonably significant project that I've been 1:13:52.095 --> 1:13:53.775 working on the last couple of months or the team 1:13:53.815 --> 1:13:57.135 have been working on is to create some online content, 1:13:57.215 --> 1:14:01.855 to create some video content. So as of now, there 1:14:01.935 --> 1:14:05.615 is a resident Builder YouTube channel, which over time will 1:14:05.655 --> 1:14:08.455 be populated with a whole bunch of videos, including things 1:14:08.495 --> 1:14:12.015 about building consents, schedule, one of the act, working with 1:14:12.095 --> 1:14:15.455 trades people, code of ethics, and so on, and over 1:14:15.535 --> 1:14:19.255 time I'll populate it more and more so on YouTube 1:14:19.295 --> 1:14:22.495 these days, if you search for resident Builder, you should 1:14:22.495 --> 1:14:24.095 find it there. You can also go to just my 1:14:24.175 --> 1:14:27.415 Facebook page, so resident Builder, there's a link there. The 1:14:27.455 --> 1:14:30.815 first couple of sort of teaser videos will be uploaded shortly, 1:14:31.775 --> 1:14:33.935 but there should be a lot of content coming up 1:14:34.015 --> 1:14:37.135 over time on that particular platform as well. And I'll 1:14:37.215 --> 1:14:39.495 let you know. We talk about insulation, and we talk 1:14:39.535 --> 1:14:42.215 about compliance and inspections and those sorts of things. So 1:14:43.375 --> 1:14:46.655 they as they emerge, I will talk to you about them. 1:14:46.655 --> 1:14:48.575 Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number 1:14:48.615 --> 1:14:50.815 to call Lynette. 1:14:50.935 --> 1:14:55.415 Hello, Oh my goodness, thanks Quicks, thank you, good morning. 1:14:55.655 --> 1:14:57.215 Mucking around on this show. 1:14:59.135 --> 1:15:05.135 Just as well, I'm just ringing. I'm going thinking of 1:15:05.215 --> 1:15:08.935 going into a villag yes, you know, a retirement village. 1:15:09.215 --> 1:15:13.215 Now it's up north round about the towerong I won't 1:15:13.255 --> 1:15:15.815 mention any names. It's round about the Towerong Away and 1:15:15.895 --> 1:15:19.135 it's sort of not near the coast. Now they've sent 1:15:19.175 --> 1:15:22.575 me a plan and everything, but my family keeps going 1:15:22.615 --> 1:15:24.695 on and asking me, I'm just about to sign the 1:15:24.735 --> 1:15:27.375 contract and you only have to put if you only 1:15:27.415 --> 1:15:29.375 have to put one thousand dollars down and you can 1:15:29.415 --> 1:15:32.495 get a refund anyway. Our family keep going on, what 1:15:32.615 --> 1:15:33.255 is it made of? 1:15:33.415 --> 1:15:33.975 What is it this? 1:15:34.095 --> 1:15:35.815 And what is it that? And when is it going 1:15:35.855 --> 1:15:38.735 to be built? You know, when is it going to 1:15:38.775 --> 1:15:40.335 be ready to be occupied? 1:15:40.775 --> 1:15:41.735 All this stuff? 1:15:42.215 --> 1:15:45.935 So I wanted to know what I should be asking them, 1:15:46.015 --> 1:15:50.655 if I should be asking them for a plan that 1:15:50.375 --> 1:15:54.455 they submit to the council on all the materials and 1:15:54.495 --> 1:15:56.895 everything that are going to be used, and what sort 1:15:56.895 --> 1:16:00.295 of heating and everything. Is there a plan that they 1:16:00.335 --> 1:16:01.535 submit to the council. 1:16:01.735 --> 1:16:05.135 Oh, undoubtedly it will require a building consent. Can I 1:16:05.255 --> 1:16:10.415 just say, Annie, I think that I mean this is 1:16:10.455 --> 1:16:13.415 sort of I'm a little bit familiar with it because 1:16:13.415 --> 1:16:16.015 my mum lives in a retirement village right and has 1:16:16.055 --> 1:16:22.335 done for the last ten years. So well, Mum's next 1:16:22.335 --> 1:16:25.655 birthday she'll be ninety two, so you know, oh well. 1:16:25.495 --> 1:16:27.815 I'm eighty two, so that's springhee. 1:16:28.055 --> 1:16:29.455 It'll be you know, so. 1:16:29.575 --> 1:16:32.415 That if I go into one now, a lit'll b 1:16:32.415 --> 1:16:34.495 be about the same thing I'll have got will be 1:16:34.535 --> 1:16:34.895 there for the. 1:16:34.935 --> 1:16:40.695 Next twenty years. Look, I tell you what I think, 1:16:41.015 --> 1:16:42.815 you know, in terms of the construction and that sort 1:16:42.855 --> 1:16:47.215 of thing. You know, the big operators, they're building for 1:16:47.255 --> 1:16:50.095 the long term, right, so durability of their buildings is 1:16:51.575 --> 1:16:54.495 kind of it's their issue, not yours, because remember, what 1:16:54.535 --> 1:16:58.255 you're purchasing is a license to occupy. You're not going 1:16:58.295 --> 1:17:01.295 to be responsible for the maintenance and for the upkeep 1:17:01.375 --> 1:17:05.255 and those sorts of things. So in part, it's sort 1:17:05.295 --> 1:17:08.335 of irrelevant in a sense for you to go. 1:17:08.215 --> 1:17:09.175 Into all of that detail. 1:17:10.935 --> 1:17:14.295 Like if there's an issue with the exterior cladding, you're 1:17:14.335 --> 1:17:16.855 not the one out there painting it. They are, you 1:17:16.935 --> 1:17:20.055 know what I mean. So I think, look, it is 1:17:20.215 --> 1:17:24.735 advisable for you to get your own independent legal advice 1:17:24.815 --> 1:17:27.255 before signing these contracts. And I've heard that from a 1:17:27.335 --> 1:17:30.175 number of lawyers over the years, is that you know, 1:17:30.295 --> 1:17:33.015 just to make sure that you know what's coming up, 1:17:33.055 --> 1:17:36.895 that you know what happens when you are no longer 1:17:36.975 --> 1:17:41.095 occupying the building, because that varies from provider to provide it. 1:17:41.535 --> 1:17:44.575 So it's it's more a legal question than a building one. 1:17:44.935 --> 1:17:45.615 I feel. 1:17:47.335 --> 1:17:52.815 Right the price of eight hundred and sixty, I suppose 1:17:53.135 --> 1:17:55.215 that's reasonable anyway. 1:17:55.575 --> 1:17:58.815 It's much of the discussion at the moment is around 1:17:58.815 --> 1:18:01.015 what happens when you don't occupy. You know, when you've 1:18:01.015 --> 1:18:03.535 finished with the occupation of the building. You know, some 1:18:03.575 --> 1:18:07.855 of them allow for capital gains, some don't have high 1:18:08.295 --> 1:18:11.495 fees at the end, et cetera, et cetera. But those 1:18:11.535 --> 1:18:14.895 are their their legal issues, and I suggest that you 1:18:14.935 --> 1:18:18.935 do get independent legal advice. Like with any contract, make 1:18:18.975 --> 1:18:20.975 sure that somebody who knows what they're looking at looks 1:18:21.015 --> 1:18:23.695 over it. I would do exactly the same thing, and 1:18:23.975 --> 1:18:27.095 certainly we did when our parents looked at moving in. 1:18:27.215 --> 1:18:33.455 So yes, yes, you know that that goes I did 1:18:33.535 --> 1:18:36.615 ask them, because they have they have the their place, 1:18:37.135 --> 1:18:39.935 they have you get the full capital gain if you 1:18:40.055 --> 1:18:43.575 leave the place. But of course if they might want 1:18:43.615 --> 1:18:46.495 to do a refurbish, that's the thing, mightn't they Then. 1:18:46.415 --> 1:18:48.695 You need to look at what those fees are and 1:18:49.055 --> 1:18:53.015 those sorts of things you know, so independent legal advice. 1:18:53.095 --> 1:18:55.575 Talk to your lawyer, have them locked through it for you, 1:18:55.695 --> 1:18:58.655 and then go ahead, and I wish you all the best. 1:18:58.895 --> 1:19:01.735 It is but it's an investment in your future, so 1:19:02.775 --> 1:19:03.815 hope it all goes well for you. 1:19:04.375 --> 1:19:05.615 Hey, thanks very much. 1:19:05.535 --> 1:19:09.095 Mike, keasure take care right, all the best bye by 1:19:09.175 --> 1:19:14.415 then oh Man got a heap of texts about Mary's issue. 1:19:14.495 --> 1:19:16.735 So sitting on six hundred and seventy five square meters 1:19:16.815 --> 1:19:21.575 potential development, including this one. Hey, Pete, low blow to 1:19:21.615 --> 1:19:24.735 the real estate agents. Hey, some of my best friends 1:19:24.735 --> 1:19:28.535 are real estate agents. I've recently been involved Da da 1:19:28.615 --> 1:19:30.375 da da da. Where is it? Where's it gone? Where's 1:19:30.375 --> 1:19:30.655 it gone? 1:19:30.655 --> 1:19:31.295 Where it's gone? 1:19:31.735 --> 1:19:34.255 I've recently been involved in the rebuild. Lots of other 1:19:34.295 --> 1:19:37.535 people are unprofessional, including all of the chippies. So don't 1:19:37.575 --> 1:19:39.815 go knocking the real estate agents. Is the gist of 1:19:39.815 --> 1:19:41.775 that one. No, I'm not knocking them. I'm just saying that, 1:19:42.455 --> 1:19:45.335 you know, in the end, if you're to get advice, 1:19:45.375 --> 1:19:47.175 you want to feel that you're getting advice from someone 1:19:47.175 --> 1:19:51.815 who doesn't have a vested interest in it. Right, that's 1:19:51.935 --> 1:19:57.255 independent advice, and maybe that's real estate agent, maybe it's 1:19:57.255 --> 1:20:00.375 a developer. Maybe it's a planner, but it's got to 1:20:00.375 --> 1:20:03.015 be independent. You've got to feel confident that it's independent. 1:20:03.055 --> 1:20:05.575 So I think that's interesting. A couple of other people 1:20:05.615 --> 1:20:07.535 have said, hey, look we we've done projects and we've 1:20:07.615 --> 1:20:11.015 used companies and they've been excellent. Other people are saying, hey, look, 1:20:11.695 --> 1:20:14.535 you know you're probably up for between four to five 1:20:14.655 --> 1:20:18.495 hundred thousand dollars worth of investment before you even get 1:20:18.495 --> 1:20:23.735 to build them. So in terms of planning, infrastructure upgrades, excavation, 1:20:24.015 --> 1:20:25.695 removal of the house and that sort of thing. So 1:20:26.175 --> 1:20:30.015 do you have access to those sorts of funds and 1:20:30.575 --> 1:20:34.015 you can you basically afford to do it and be 1:20:34.095 --> 1:20:36.415 there at the end and be confident that you're making 1:20:36.455 --> 1:20:39.095 some profit out of it. So it's an interesting one. 1:20:39.335 --> 1:20:43.215 After the break, Malcolm Fleming. I caught up with him. 1:20:43.215 --> 1:20:44.815 We're going to catch up with him after the break. 1:20:45.375 --> 1:20:49.135 He is the chief executive of Certified Builders New Zealand. 1:20:49.615 --> 1:20:52.695 When the government started talking you're a Newstalk ZB it 1:20:52.735 --> 1:20:54.855 could climb past at eight thirty. But in a moment, 1:20:54.895 --> 1:20:59.415 Malcolm Fleming z B. Malcolm Fleming, thank you very much 1:20:59.455 --> 1:21:02.055 for joining me in the studio today. I really appreciate 1:21:02.095 --> 1:21:05.135 the time that we can spend together. So just tell 1:21:05.175 --> 1:21:09.095 us about your role as chief executive Certified Builders and 1:21:09.295 --> 1:21:11.895 broadly what specified builders do within the industry. 1:21:12.135 --> 1:21:15.415 Well pleased to be here. First of all, Pete New 1:21:15.495 --> 1:21:17.775 Zealand Certified Billers. I'm the chief executive. I've been there 1:21:17.775 --> 1:21:20.815 for a little over two years now, so I have 1:21:20.895 --> 1:21:24.815 a team of a little one to twenty people and 1:21:24.855 --> 1:21:30.255 we have two offices at Torona in Wellington. So that's 1:21:30.255 --> 1:21:33.535 what we're about. In terms of New Zealand Certified Builders, 1:21:34.095 --> 1:21:36.895 we have three thousand members. It's quite a big footprint. 1:21:37.455 --> 1:21:40.615 The bulk of that is two thousand, three hundred business 1:21:40.655 --> 1:21:44.855 members and the advert size of those business operations would 1:21:44.895 --> 1:21:48.295 be four to six. We do have outliers of up 1:21:48.335 --> 1:21:51.295 to two hundred, but pretty much just for six people. 1:21:52.415 --> 1:21:56.655 The big thing with indied CB members business level would 1:21:56.655 --> 1:22:00.175 individual that they must be trade qualified in carpentry. That's 1:22:00.215 --> 1:22:03.695 how prerequisite membership, something we're really proud of. So as 1:22:03.735 --> 1:22:06.015 well as those twenty three hundred business members with a 1:22:06.415 --> 1:22:08.735 director's trade qualified was they have another four hundred and 1:22:08.775 --> 1:22:11.615 fifty individual members who trade qualified and they might be 1:22:11.655 --> 1:22:14.495 working at a merchant or a Politech and so forth, 1:22:15.015 --> 1:22:18.455 and more recently, I've got two hundred training members, which 1:22:18.495 --> 1:22:23.415 are apprentices in training they who work for NDCB business members. 1:22:23.615 --> 1:22:27.255 Okay, might talk about training and pathways forward a little 1:22:27.255 --> 1:22:29.735 bit later on. The reason I wanted to reach out 1:22:30.215 --> 1:22:34.375 is I have been absolutely fascinated and captivated by the 1:22:34.455 --> 1:22:39.255 public discourse around building and building science and code changes 1:22:39.415 --> 1:22:42.375 that's in a sense being prompted by a change of 1:22:42.375 --> 1:22:44.855 government a new minister, Chris Penk who I had the 1:22:44.855 --> 1:22:48.655 opportunity to interview a couple of weeks ago, and I 1:22:48.695 --> 1:22:51.415 suppose they've made it very clear that their intents to 1:22:51.615 --> 1:22:56.095 try and speed up building, to add efficiency and ideally 1:22:56.135 --> 1:22:59.295 to reduce cost. And so the idea that was floated 1:22:59.455 --> 1:23:03.175 is the Minister seemingly has had a discussion with people 1:23:03.175 --> 1:23:07.495 who have indicated that well, changing h one increasing the standards, 1:23:07.495 --> 1:23:10.135 which came into effect last year in November, is going 1:23:10.175 --> 1:23:12.495 to add forty to fifty thousand dollars to the cost 1:23:12.495 --> 1:23:15.015 of a house. And I guess if you're a politician, 1:23:15.055 --> 1:23:17.375 you'd look at that and go, gosh, I can save 1:23:17.455 --> 1:23:19.655 New Zealanders fifty thousand dollars on the cost of their 1:23:19.695 --> 1:23:23.015 building by rolling back H one and so that was 1:23:23.095 --> 1:23:25.935 what was put out right, that's the moot for the discussion. 1:23:26.455 --> 1:23:30.215 The response has been fascinating because a number of groups 1:23:30.215 --> 1:23:33.295 have come forward to go, hold on, we don't agree 1:23:33.335 --> 1:23:36.375 with those figures. We certainly don't agree with it. In principle. 1:23:37.375 --> 1:23:40.855 Our building code is arguably a number of generations behind 1:23:40.895 --> 1:23:44.575 similar countries around the world. And then I read with 1:23:44.655 --> 1:23:48.175 real interest that yourselves, I guess as a builders group, 1:23:48.655 --> 1:23:51.415 have come forward and said, actually we don't agree either, 1:23:51.615 --> 1:23:53.815 and more to the point, we're going to prove it. 1:23:53.935 --> 1:23:57.615 So just walk me through that response to that government 1:23:58.895 --> 1:24:01.855 discussion around let's wind back H one and it's going 1:24:01.895 --> 1:24:03.855 to cost fifty grand. Where did your numbers end up? 1:24:04.735 --> 1:24:08.495 So we did two things which the Minister is aware of. 1:24:09.295 --> 1:24:12.255 So talking to the Minister a couple of weeks before 1:24:12.295 --> 1:24:16.375 the story broke, we indicated that well, one that the 1:24:16.455 --> 1:24:21.135 NDEDCB would not be in support a reversal of H 1:24:21.215 --> 1:24:24.015 one and just picking up on your remarks, what is 1:24:24.215 --> 1:24:29.615 H one? So it's an increased insulation level, getting us 1:24:29.655 --> 1:24:33.775 closer New Zealand closer to where we should be aligned 1:24:33.895 --> 1:24:37.135 with international companies that we look up to. It should 1:24:37.135 --> 1:24:40.575 aspire to and H one's regulation. So it's not a 1:24:40.615 --> 1:24:43.775 new regulation, there's an upgrade of a regulation. And this 1:24:43.895 --> 1:24:47.335 upgrade in twentyy three was a big jump up. And 1:24:47.415 --> 1:24:51.775 we talked about at the time that when they went 1:24:51.815 --> 1:24:55.055 out with their proposals and submissions they were unundated. Is 1:24:55.095 --> 1:24:58.375 one of the largest number of submissions that they'd received 1:24:59.055 --> 1:25:03.055 in the main very positive and supportive of the change. 1:25:03.135 --> 1:25:06.895 So it's quite a big thing time. And this was 1:25:07.175 --> 1:25:11.215 talking about the anecdotal forty to fifty thousand yes number 1:25:11.695 --> 1:25:14.335 we indicated to them. We thought that was too high. 1:25:15.135 --> 1:25:18.255 We under talked to do some work with our members 1:25:18.295 --> 1:25:21.735 and survey them. So we did two things. One, we 1:25:21.735 --> 1:25:25.375 did that survey and we got about eighty responses from 1:25:25.415 --> 1:25:29.415 our members and there was a variety of size homes 1:25:29.455 --> 1:25:33.695 in there, and there's a variety of values in them. 1:25:34.175 --> 1:25:37.415 And so we looked at the data set and pulling 1:25:37.415 --> 1:25:39.815 out some outliers, like there was a six million dollar 1:25:39.855 --> 1:25:41.575 home in the set and a nine point four million 1:25:41.615 --> 1:25:45.415 dollar home in the set, taking those typical New Zealand 1:25:46.055 --> 1:25:49.495 not maybe the forty fifty thousand dollars a cost was 1:25:49.775 --> 1:25:54.335 for shape figure home. But so it came out a 1:25:54.375 --> 1:25:57.855 little bit, asked our members to deconstruct their last new 1:25:57.895 --> 1:26:01.695 built and create a value on that, and it came 1:26:01.735 --> 1:26:05.095 out just a touch over eighteen thousand dollars, and we 1:26:05.095 --> 1:26:07.895 had indicated to the Minister we're ten to twenty k 1:26:08.695 --> 1:26:12.655 adding in the outliers. It was still under nineteen thousand 1:26:12.735 --> 1:26:16.295 dollars additional, but we took that a step further. We're 1:26:16.335 --> 1:26:19.695 just developing with one of the largest architectural practices in 1:26:19.695 --> 1:26:22.415 his z own design, Grip Stable with an Elliott, the 1:26:22.455 --> 1:26:24.975 first two of what will be a suite of what 1:26:24.975 --> 1:26:30.295 we called NJEDCB Studio. So architect designed homes really smart, 1:26:30.575 --> 1:26:33.855 want them to be affordable. Sustainability a big driver of 1:26:33.895 --> 1:26:39.655 that when we're costing those up with your QS, which 1:26:39.695 --> 1:26:42.495 is a QS firm that we have a relationship with. 1:26:43.255 --> 1:26:50.695 They put us together with Matt Douda over at Ebos 1:26:51.695 --> 1:26:54.655 and they were looking for a case study for H one, 1:26:55.335 --> 1:26:59.855 so we agreed that we'd use these first two designs 1:26:59.895 --> 1:27:03.815 for to be studio. It was ninety two square meter 1:27:03.895 --> 1:27:07.015 two bedroom home and one hundred and four square meter 1:27:07.095 --> 1:27:10.815 three bedroom home as though as case studies. So we 1:27:10.855 --> 1:27:16.215 wound back the insallation requirements for those builds to the 1:27:16.255 --> 1:27:20.135 beer basics to adhere to the new H one regulation. Yep, 1:27:21.775 --> 1:27:25.175 the findings of that. But for the two bedroom home, 1:27:25.415 --> 1:27:30.735 we looked at what additional cost does each one create 1:27:31.095 --> 1:27:34.855 over in above twenty twenty three four another previous H 1:27:34.895 --> 1:27:38.295 one to the cost of these builds under the schedule method, 1:27:38.535 --> 1:27:41.295 which is often to referred to as the blunt instrument, 1:27:41.375 --> 1:27:45.295 it is. Yes, So it's looking at each elevation, looking 1:27:45.335 --> 1:27:48.055 at the floor, looking at the ceiling, each different aspect 1:27:48.095 --> 1:27:50.335 of the build and trying to get one hundred percent 1:27:50.455 --> 1:27:52.055 on each of those aspects. 1:27:52.135 --> 1:27:52.375 Yep. 1:27:53.615 --> 1:27:57.055 Using that blunt instrument approach the schedule for the two 1:27:57.055 --> 1:28:02.055 bedroom it added eleven four hundred dollars to the cost. 1:28:03.135 --> 1:28:06.815 What was really interesting then we overlaid that would it 1:28:06.935 --> 1:28:10.895 be if we use the more sophisticated calculation method, Yes, 1:28:10.935 --> 1:28:13.295 which a designer an architect can do. In this case, 1:28:13.335 --> 1:28:16.535 our architect did, and it was really interesting that for 1:28:16.575 --> 1:28:19.695 the two bedroom it became a negative value. It was 1:28:19.735 --> 1:28:21.375 thirteen hundred dollars less. 1:28:21.495 --> 1:28:22.255 It's a saving. 1:28:22.455 --> 1:28:25.455 It was a saving which is quite extraordinary. But if 1:28:25.495 --> 1:28:27.535 I go to the three bedroom example, which is one 1:28:27.615 --> 1:28:29.615 hundred and forty square meter, so it's getting more up 1:28:29.655 --> 1:28:30.855 to an average size. 1:28:30.895 --> 1:28:32.495 Yeah, it's more typical, more typical. 1:28:32.615 --> 1:28:32.815 Yeah. 1:28:33.175 --> 1:28:37.855 So the scheduling method, the blunt instrument, added two thousand, 1:28:38.015 --> 1:28:41.055 six hundred dollars to what it would have been under 1:28:41.095 --> 1:28:45.335 the previous H one regulation that dropped with the calculation 1:28:45.495 --> 1:28:49.295 method to an additional two thousand, one hundred and seventy 1:28:49.375 --> 1:28:55.655 nine Quite a disparate difference between forty to fifty K. 1:28:56.095 --> 1:29:00.015 So what we were pleased to do with e BOSS 1:29:00.455 --> 1:29:03.055 and your QS and design GRAPS table is actually gives 1:29:03.135 --> 1:29:08.415 some hard some data hard to the argument. 1:29:08.455 --> 1:29:10.295 Because this is sometimes the thing that goes on in 1:29:10.295 --> 1:29:14.335 building sites where you know, opinions, everyone's got them right, 1:29:14.735 --> 1:29:18.895 but they're often based on speculation and heressay and kind 1:29:18.935 --> 1:29:22.375 of a wishful thinking. Whereas what I like about so 1:29:22.495 --> 1:29:25.375 much of the public response to this has been hang on, 1:29:25.735 --> 1:29:28.655 I've done the numbers. Here's the numbers, right, and you've 1:29:28.655 --> 1:29:29.975 got very specific numbers. 1:29:30.015 --> 1:29:30.215 Now. 1:29:32.055 --> 1:29:35.775 Just one of your early comments when you're talking to 1:29:35.935 --> 1:29:39.735 your members, where do they think the most expense is 1:29:39.775 --> 1:29:44.055 coming from? My understanding is, for example, that if you're 1:29:44.095 --> 1:29:46.295 going to go with joinery that's compliant with the new 1:29:46.415 --> 1:29:49.015 H one standards, the joinery is probably going to be 1:29:49.055 --> 1:29:51.935 more expensive. Would that be your number one item in 1:29:52.015 --> 1:29:53.375 terms of additional cost. 1:29:53.415 --> 1:29:55.815 Yes, it would be right. So there's quite a jump 1:29:56.215 --> 1:30:00.895 in the window requirements thermal bridging, yes, the amount of insulation, 1:30:01.135 --> 1:30:05.415 the use of low eglass YEP for example, and that's 1:30:05.495 --> 1:30:09.815 ro It's important to note that in all buildings, the 1:30:09.855 --> 1:30:14.975 greatest area of thermal transfer is outside, is through the jrawnry, 1:30:15.095 --> 1:30:18.335 through the windows, so that's the area that you've really 1:30:18.415 --> 1:30:22.095 got to strengthen them just around. Just to make the comment, 1:30:22.175 --> 1:30:24.775 those numbers that I've been talking about, even though we 1:30:24.855 --> 1:30:27.775 use insulation, we're talking about a package. We're talking about 1:30:27.775 --> 1:30:32.935 their jownery and windows in there as well. Yes. A 1:30:32.975 --> 1:30:38.575 point that I certainly made during this conversation two months 1:30:38.695 --> 1:30:43.255 or so ago, when this is quite topical, is that 1:30:44.095 --> 1:30:47.775 the H one regulations, when they change them, drove demand 1:30:48.295 --> 1:30:57.055 for increased specification in window drawnery glazing. The manufacturing sector 1:30:57.215 --> 1:31:00.335 responded by gearing up to be able to provide that. 1:31:01.015 --> 1:31:04.815 So new plant and machinery absolutely, and some of them 1:31:04.815 --> 1:31:06.735 have spend millions and not tens of millions. It's an 1:31:06.735 --> 1:31:11.135 additional capacity be able to store it low eglass has 1:31:11.135 --> 1:31:15.455 a shelf life right what we're in danger of hair 1:31:16.575 --> 1:31:18.775 which a number of us made the point of at 1:31:18.815 --> 1:31:22.895 the time in the media. If you withdraw the regulation, 1:31:23.495 --> 1:31:27.415 you take away the demand. What signal are you sending 1:31:27.495 --> 1:31:32.095 to business end z that you're going to reverse a 1:31:32.175 --> 1:31:36.695 regulation and reduce take away a demand. And we know 1:31:36.815 --> 1:31:40.415 the demand will will be taken away because in April 1:31:40.455 --> 1:31:44.735 twenty twenty three, the month before that when regulation came 1:31:44.775 --> 1:31:48.895 intoffect in May twenty twenty three, there was a peak 1:31:49.215 --> 1:31:54.535 in residential building sense people exactly. 1:31:55.015 --> 1:32:00.455 Absolutely. I guess it's more of a political question now 1:32:00.575 --> 1:32:03.935 is where do you think the Minister and mb you know, 1:32:04.055 --> 1:32:06.655 are going to go Given that they've said they want 1:32:06.655 --> 1:32:09.175 to make some changes. Are they going to make changes? 1:32:09.215 --> 1:32:11.295 Do you think they will actually go ahead and wind 1:32:11.335 --> 1:32:12.095 back each one? 1:32:12.375 --> 1:32:17.655 I give the Minister his jues. He has instructed his 1:32:18.055 --> 1:32:21.815 officials to get some QS pricing of their own. Yes, 1:32:21.855 --> 1:32:25.775 he is listening. I'm aware that he has been out 1:32:25.935 --> 1:32:30.735 to visit one of the jowry manufacturers that have geared 1:32:30.815 --> 1:32:33.935 up significantly and he's seen firsthand. He's gone out there 1:32:34.015 --> 1:32:37.375 and listen and talk to industry and starting to get 1:32:37.415 --> 1:32:41.455 the data. My view is a very is a practical man. 1:32:41.535 --> 1:32:45.095 He will listen, and I think he's got an opportunity 1:32:45.135 --> 1:32:48.095 to say I've listened to the industry, I've seen the data, 1:32:48.495 --> 1:32:50.135 and I'll make my decision on that basis. 1:32:50.255 --> 1:32:53.775 So here's my pick. I think, and for very good reason, 1:32:54.255 --> 1:32:58.895 the schedule method might just be binned, right, And that 1:32:59.095 --> 1:33:03.015 the challenge for government is that we still have a 1:33:03.055 --> 1:33:07.175 perception that, you know, building is simple, and in a 1:33:07.255 --> 1:33:09.615 sense it is, and then at the same time it's 1:33:09.655 --> 1:33:14.615 incredibly complex, right, And so there is an inherent appeal 1:33:14.975 --> 1:33:16.935 to the idea that you can get a book three 1:33:17.055 --> 1:33:19.255 six o four, you can go through, look at the 1:33:19.295 --> 1:33:24.215 different tables and build a house, and that the calculation 1:33:24.375 --> 1:33:28.855 method seems like a dark art, that no, it's indecipherable 1:33:28.935 --> 1:33:32.735 to most human beings and so on. Whereas I think 1:33:32.775 --> 1:33:34.975 the schedule method and the fact that they went and 1:33:35.015 --> 1:33:37.695 said it's R six point six in every single ceiling 1:33:38.215 --> 1:33:42.615 right across the country Kai Tiet in Vicago, that was nonsensical, right, 1:33:42.655 --> 1:33:45.215 And I don't know the thinking behind putting our six 1:33:45.215 --> 1:33:47.895 point six in when all of the evidence would say, 1:33:48.015 --> 1:33:50.815 in fact, for many areas it has little to no 1:33:50.935 --> 1:33:53.695 benefit to go that high, but it's there, and so 1:33:53.735 --> 1:33:57.735 it freaked everybody out. Trust manufacturers started doing weird stuff 1:33:57.735 --> 1:34:00.415 with big heel trusses and so on. You know, I 1:34:00.455 --> 1:34:03.255 just wonder whether the schedule method will eventually be sort 1:34:03.255 --> 1:34:06.295 of sidelined and we move everyone to the calculation method. 1:34:06.615 --> 1:34:09.415 And again, it's fascinating to see that the calculation method 1:34:09.815 --> 1:34:12.815 was very expensive for a long time and indecipherable right 1:34:12.855 --> 1:34:15.175 and accessible. I was with a guy the other day. 1:34:15.335 --> 1:34:18.695 He's offering calculation method for a modest house for about 1:34:18.735 --> 1:34:21.375 six to seven hundred dollars. Now, why wouldn't you have 1:34:21.455 --> 1:34:24.535 a more nuanced approach to designing your house for energy 1:34:24.535 --> 1:34:28.655 efficiency and that upfront cost, Well, you've quoted the figures there. 1:34:28.975 --> 1:34:31.415 Schedule method might be eleven thousand dollars. If you did 1:34:31.455 --> 1:34:35.015 the calculation method, you're saving twelve hundred bucks. Why don't 1:34:35.015 --> 1:34:36.495 we just get better at building? 1:34:37.295 --> 1:34:40.775 And think, we've only a little over a year into this. 1:34:41.215 --> 1:34:43.535 So this is one of those things that it's working 1:34:43.815 --> 1:34:46.535 our way through and it is becoming really apparent that 1:34:46.575 --> 1:34:49.855 there was a lot of benefits to the homeowner who's 1:34:49.855 --> 1:34:53.455 paying the bill to use the calculation method. And if 1:34:53.495 --> 1:34:56.455 it costs a little bit extra, and sometimes it doesn't 1:34:56.455 --> 1:34:59.535 because you're using the designer. The architect is designing a 1:34:59.615 --> 1:35:01.895 home to be able to do that for you. But 1:35:01.975 --> 1:35:04.655 even it is like you're citing a modest amount to 1:35:04.695 --> 1:35:07.415 get the work done and the payback on the capitol 1:35:08.135 --> 1:35:10.775 up front. Yeah, it's so great. Why wouldn't I do it? 1:35:11.175 --> 1:35:13.895 And you know, from your perspective and working with your members, 1:35:13.935 --> 1:35:16.735 do you think that the consumer, the people that your 1:35:16.775 --> 1:35:18.615 members are building for, the people that I used to 1:35:18.615 --> 1:35:21.855 build for, are starting to go, Actually, we're going to 1:35:21.895 --> 1:35:25.295 really appreciate living in a warm, dry, comfortable house with 1:35:25.535 --> 1:35:29.535 modern standards. Do you think that the consumer appreciation has shifted? 1:35:29.695 --> 1:35:32.215 I think there's an expectation now from the homeowner right 1:35:32.295 --> 1:35:35.935 that they are going to get into a warm, dry 1:35:36.215 --> 1:35:40.135 home and that's what they're after. They're very concerned about 1:35:40.135 --> 1:35:45.335 their power bills going forward, and so a good insulated 1:35:45.775 --> 1:35:49.135 home that meets the H one specification and beyond is 1:35:49.175 --> 1:35:53.455 going to provide those savings going forward. That is starting 1:35:53.495 --> 1:35:58.975 to really resonate with homeowners. So there's that aspect of 1:35:59.015 --> 1:36:02.095 it that is really sort of playing out. There's also 1:36:02.175 --> 1:36:06.095 their aspect, particularly as we younger people come into the 1:36:06.135 --> 1:36:10.375 home house market, sustainability in our carbon footprints are a really 1:36:10.455 --> 1:36:13.495 big driver for them. They are asking for these things. Yes, 1:36:14.295 --> 1:36:16.455 if I go back and get back in time when 1:36:16.455 --> 1:36:18.135 I had an architectural practice and I was a co 1:36:18.175 --> 1:36:19.775 director of one I'm not an architect, but I was 1:36:19.775 --> 1:36:21.535 a co director of one of they had four architects 1:36:21.535 --> 1:36:24.375 and a team of a team. There was always the 1:36:24.495 --> 1:36:28.135 driver about we wanted sort of a sustainable home. Yes, 1:36:28.295 --> 1:36:32.175 And the cost of those generally back in those days became, 1:36:32.535 --> 1:36:35.495 oh goodness, that is going to be expensive. Perhaps I 1:36:35.535 --> 1:36:38.055 don't need it so much. But now that we've got 1:36:38.055 --> 1:36:42.815 a regulation driving it, and we've also undertaken this credit 1:36:42.895 --> 1:36:47.295 a data set that suggests using certain methods, it's actually 1:36:47.295 --> 1:36:50.815 not a scary number. It's becoming more palatable, and there's 1:36:50.855 --> 1:36:54.175 a payback period, and the payback period isn't ten years 1:36:54.255 --> 1:36:57.535 or so like it was previously. Right, it's quite modest. 1:36:58.135 --> 1:37:00.135 The final question for you, and it's kind of a 1:37:00.175 --> 1:37:02.935 snapshot of where you sense your members are at right. 1:37:03.455 --> 1:37:05.935 This is the builders that are on site, right. And 1:37:06.455 --> 1:37:09.975 my a criticism that I would have of myself and 1:37:10.015 --> 1:37:13.255 of the industry is typically we're not ones to rush 1:37:13.295 --> 1:37:16.455 to embrace change. And if you sit around at Smoko 1:37:16.655 --> 1:37:19.415 on any building site, there'll be someone who's got gray 1:37:19.415 --> 1:37:21.415 hair like me sitting in the corner going, well, we 1:37:21.455 --> 1:37:23.655 never used to do it like that in my day, 1:37:23.775 --> 1:37:25.815 and I don't understand all the changes. Blah blah blah 1:37:25.855 --> 1:37:30.295 blah blah. Do you get a sense that your members 1:37:30.375 --> 1:37:34.775 and maybe younger people in the trades now are embracing change. 1:37:34.815 --> 1:37:38.575 They understand that what we've done hasn't been that great 1:37:38.615 --> 1:37:39.855 and we need to build better. 1:37:40.695 --> 1:37:44.615 There was a very good report done by the Boston 1:37:44.735 --> 1:37:50.295 Consulting right now about twenty sixteen, and it was all 1:37:50.335 --> 1:37:54.735 about globally, this is not one this is an international issue. 1:37:55.055 --> 1:37:58.935 They talked about they bundle like construction and engineering together 1:37:59.815 --> 1:38:04.615 that they the lamentable progress in the last fifty years 1:38:04.735 --> 1:38:07.375 on how we build were there be a house or 1:38:07.415 --> 1:38:12.175 a commercial building, and comparing that rate of change which 1:38:12.215 --> 1:38:20.375 has been negligible to say, aeronautics, car industry, film industry, sure, 1:38:20.495 --> 1:38:23.815 many others, and so really what needs to be done 1:38:24.175 --> 1:38:27.015 around that? But you're quite right, you know that's your 1:38:27.055 --> 1:38:29.735 typical builder on the building site of our sort of 1:38:29.735 --> 1:38:35.575 age is not firmly embracing change, but like it or not, 1:38:35.695 --> 1:38:38.775 it's coming. And some of those young builders. We did 1:38:39.055 --> 1:38:43.455 a twenty fifth year videos. We're ten twenty five established 1:38:43.455 --> 1:38:45.215 in nineteen ninety eight, so we met big yellow that 1:38:45.855 --> 1:38:47.055 and it's worth having a bit of look at it 1:38:47.095 --> 1:38:49.495 on our website. And some of those young builders were 1:38:49.495 --> 1:38:55.935 there excited by change. And I've often talked about what's 1:38:55.975 --> 1:39:00.295 coming down the tracks with robotics and three three D printing, 1:39:00.895 --> 1:39:05.535 what's coming down the tracks with modular housing and syst 1:39:05.815 --> 1:39:09.095 wonderful thing has been done around the world. They're not 1:39:09.175 --> 1:39:13.335 quite lapping on our shores yet, but they will need 1:39:13.375 --> 1:39:18.095 to be embraced. Where I do absolutely agree with the minister. 1:39:18.895 --> 1:39:22.135 As a country, we're too expensive to building and that 1:39:22.255 --> 1:39:26.135 is throttling demand for new builds where there be houses 1:39:26.375 --> 1:39:29.935 of buildings. We need to be addressing that. So and 1:39:29.975 --> 1:39:35.295 so what I've often been talking about previously that construction 1:39:35.615 --> 1:39:37.935 is going to be a high tech industry of the future. 1:39:38.895 --> 1:39:42.415 Now that sounds like that makes me wow, what's this 1:39:42.495 --> 1:39:44.615 guy been? You know, has been smoking something out there 1:39:44.615 --> 1:39:48.495 in Graham Street before he came in here. But that's 1:39:48.535 --> 1:39:49.295 where we're heading at. 1:39:49.375 --> 1:39:53.135 Yeah, it's and it is. It will be technology driven. 1:39:54.015 --> 1:39:57.175 I think the ability to you know, work digitally and 1:39:57.215 --> 1:39:59.495 all of those sorts of things you know is going 1:39:59.535 --> 1:40:01.975 to be a really important skill set for our young 1:40:02.095 --> 1:40:06.135 people coming through the construction sector. Malcolm, thank you very 1:40:06.175 --> 1:40:09.695 much much for your time today. I really appreciate the insights. 1:40:09.735 --> 1:40:13.055 I think the work that you've done, that CBA, CBNZ 1:40:13.255 --> 1:40:16.695 have done is really really important in terms of providing 1:40:16.735 --> 1:40:18.975 the data. So good on you forgetting the numbers and 1:40:19.015 --> 1:40:20.615 putting it out there. Really appreciate your. 1:40:20.535 --> 1:40:26.055 Time, pleasure being on your show. 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We 1:41:48.175 --> 1:41:51.135 had a great time and it was a fabulous day yesterday. 1:41:51.255 --> 1:41:53.655 Lots of people, lots of walks, lots of talks, lots 1:41:53.695 --> 1:41:55.295 of strange stuff. It was great. 1:41:55.375 --> 1:41:57.895 It was fantastic. It's a gem that place. 1:41:58.455 --> 1:42:00.255 It is a gem that place. And I was the 1:42:00.295 --> 1:42:02.895 only one that was staying there for two nights, which 1:42:02.935 --> 1:42:05.215 on the lodge and the lot. Yeah, oh yeah, no, 1:42:05.375 --> 1:42:09.735 it's my room. Don't you start that. It's my room. 1:42:10.015 --> 1:42:12.735 So we had Kaka there and I saw I was 1:42:12.735 --> 1:42:14.855 there on the first night, they were about twenty five 1:42:15.015 --> 1:42:20.335 thirty pouririmos landing literally outside my door alive. 1:42:20.815 --> 1:42:24.535 Yeah, how fabulous, huge things, How cool? How cool? 1:42:24.895 --> 1:42:27.215 And the ruru We're looking at it and say I'll 1:42:27.215 --> 1:42:29.175 have one of those? Got it? 1:42:29.255 --> 1:42:29.615 Really? 1:42:29.895 --> 1:42:32.495 Because the rua are missing at the moment, aren't they? 1:42:32.655 --> 1:42:35.855 Yeah they are absolutely. Yeah, it was hilarious to see 1:42:35.855 --> 1:42:38.135 all that happened. I just up to be quels. I 1:42:38.175 --> 1:42:39.055 haven't that much sleep. 1:42:39.335 --> 1:42:42.055 Yeah, fair enough, fair enough, Hey, and we can do 1:42:42.055 --> 1:42:44.775 a little giveaway because it feels like the garden well 1:42:44.815 --> 1:42:47.375 certainly the weeds are coming up along with everything else. 1:42:47.375 --> 1:42:49.215 So if you're going to get stuck under those, it's 1:42:49.255 --> 1:42:50.575 the old Clarks cultivator. 1:42:50.935 --> 1:42:54.535 There you go. We've done this before. And Chris and 1:42:54.695 --> 1:42:57.775 Bobby said, look, give them one away today and also 1:42:57.895 --> 1:43:00.695 make sure that when they when they hear this on 1:43:00.735 --> 1:43:03.815 the radio, for instance, and I'll have to find theditos 1:43:03.815 --> 1:43:07.295 because of course I'm totally unprepared. It just came out 1:43:07.375 --> 1:43:11.335 late last night in gratitude. If you if you want 1:43:11.375 --> 1:43:13.495 to buy one, we are doing it at a really 1:43:13.535 --> 1:43:17.015 special price for Christmas right now, and you'll have to 1:43:17.095 --> 1:43:19.455 mention within I think the next week that you heard 1:43:19.495 --> 1:43:21.655 this on the radio, and you'll get it for quite 1:43:21.655 --> 1:43:25.255 a bit cheaper. And you get them basically from Clark Cultivator. 1:43:25.335 --> 1:43:28.615 You can find those online easy. But one of those 1:43:28.935 --> 1:43:30.455 we're going to give away today. 1:43:30.495 --> 1:43:35.015 And it's Clark c l A r K Clark Cultivator. 1:43:35.055 --> 1:43:37.095 You just go Clark Cultivator dot co dot is it 1:43:37.175 --> 1:43:40.255 and away we go, brilliant and you will give one away. Yeah, 1:43:40.455 --> 1:43:42.335 as they are tremendously useful. 1:43:42.575 --> 1:43:43.455 Oh right, brilliant. 1:43:43.655 --> 1:43:46.455 Let's get into it now. He wants to kill moths. 1:43:46.495 --> 1:43:47.735 I don't think we'll take this call. 1:43:48.015 --> 1:43:48.495 Yeah we do? 1:43:48.615 --> 1:43:50.335 Oh okay, all right, go Roger. 1:43:50.375 --> 1:44:00.495 Hello, good morning, good morning. I was yesterday afternoon and 1:44:00.535 --> 1:44:04.375 you have a spray there that's got kill moths and 1:44:04.535 --> 1:44:09.575 also it kills bora. Now I'm interested for killing borer. 1:44:09.735 --> 1:44:14.575 Now why is sellar? The floor is a eighteen hundred 1:44:14.615 --> 1:44:18.295 square feet old house and it's full of borer and 1:44:18.335 --> 1:44:21.255 the dust drops down to the motor, onto my cellar 1:44:21.295 --> 1:44:23.695 and the things. And if I get some of that 1:44:23.855 --> 1:44:26.055 and spread, will it kill the borer? 1:44:26.375 --> 1:44:30.015 Well? Look it's it's so it comes. Actually the borer 1:44:30.055 --> 1:44:33.135 is above you in the ceiling you said, right, yes, 1:44:33.655 --> 1:44:36.615 can you see the little holes in which the from 1:44:36.655 --> 1:44:38.215 which the borers emerge? 1:44:39.295 --> 1:44:42.175 Yes, well okay, yes, there will no This. 1:44:42.255 --> 1:44:44.975 Is just for Pete's Pete's edification. Pete. These are the 1:44:45.015 --> 1:44:49.135 house borer, the European housebory we're talking about. Yes, you 1:44:49.175 --> 1:44:51.415 know what I mean, the ones that actually it came 1:44:51.455 --> 1:44:54.335 here of course with settlers in the in the suitcases 1:44:54.375 --> 1:44:57.335 in there that wood wouldn't whatever cases in which they 1:44:57.735 --> 1:45:00.535 migrated to New Zealand in the eighteen hundreds. So this 1:45:00.655 --> 1:45:03.255 is what it is. And here comes to time you are. 1:45:03.615 --> 1:45:06.215 This is why I made that yesterday on the Jackdame Show. 1:45:06.855 --> 1:45:09.575 Quite a thing. This is the time when they are 1:45:09.655 --> 1:45:14.335 starting to think about coming out, finding a mate and 1:45:14.375 --> 1:45:17.575 then laying eggs in old little borer holes or on 1:45:18.015 --> 1:45:21.935 the wood itself from which they came. And what you 1:45:22.015 --> 1:45:23.935 do now is you get that spray that I was 1:45:23.975 --> 1:45:26.855 talking about. You spray it on that surface from which 1:45:26.895 --> 1:45:29.935 they emerge. If they are in contact with that surface 1:45:29.935 --> 1:45:33.815 for more than say ten seconds, there ain't no mating. 1:45:34.975 --> 1:45:36.415 Ah, yes, got it. 1:45:36.695 --> 1:45:39.655 Okay. So what the stuff that you use is the 1:45:39.695 --> 1:45:43.455 residual aircraft spray that you can get from a company 1:45:43.495 --> 1:45:48.215 called safe Works. One word safe works ends with an 1:45:48.455 --> 1:45:56.335 X safes and they have company. They have shops in Auckland, Wellington, 1:45:56.495 --> 1:45:59.655 christ Church probably some other places by now find them 1:45:59.695 --> 1:46:03.575 online and give them a call and work it out. 1:46:03.615 --> 1:46:05.415 You'll find that you can get a couple of those 1:46:05.455 --> 1:46:09.375 cans and spray the literally, say about half a meter away, 1:46:09.455 --> 1:46:12.615 and you literally treat the surface with that spray. That 1:46:12.615 --> 1:46:13.655 that aerosol spray. 1:46:14.655 --> 1:46:16.695 What was the name of that spray. That's what I 1:46:16.735 --> 1:46:17.775 forgot it. 1:46:18.015 --> 1:46:22.495 Well, the residual aircraft spray. 1:46:23.655 --> 1:46:26.815 Yeah, residual aircraft spray from safe Work. 1:46:27.175 --> 1:46:31.055 Safe Works. Yes, if you explain that we had this conversation, 1:46:31.295 --> 1:46:33.615 most of the staff at Safeworks know who I am 1:46:33.895 --> 1:46:38.575 because we I worked on making that stuff and putting 1:46:38.615 --> 1:46:42.495 it on well and developing it in the nineteen eighties. 1:46:44.015 --> 1:46:47.215 You were there time, No, I wasn't. I was in 1:46:47.255 --> 1:46:50.095 Auckland at that time with the Ministry of Agriculture and 1:46:50.175 --> 1:46:54.695 we were using that spray inside aircraft to stop insects 1:46:55.055 --> 1:46:59.095 arriving in New Zealand, you know, and and we that 1:46:59.215 --> 1:47:02.055 spray kills those insects before they even get to New Zealand. 1:47:02.295 --> 1:47:03.215 That was That's how. 1:47:03.055 --> 1:47:05.255 Good it is yes, So that's great. 1:47:05.935 --> 1:47:09.975 Great safe works with the you find it your. 1:47:09.815 --> 1:47:13.215 Safe work with the next that I'm listening to you 1:47:13.335 --> 1:47:18.295 for many years, years ago, I used to hear on 1:47:18.335 --> 1:47:22.895 the radio somewhere and I was under easy long ago. 1:47:23.615 --> 1:47:26.375 Yeah, that was syndicated, that old radio. Like this radio 1:47:26.375 --> 1:47:27.815 show goes all over the. 1:47:27.615 --> 1:47:29.535 Orders of the beauty of radio. You can be down 1:47:30.255 --> 1:47:34.935 nowadays in the world. I appreciate the call. Roger, you 1:47:35.015 --> 1:47:37.615 have a great day, Tanya, A very good morning. 1:47:38.415 --> 1:47:44.175 Oh goody, that's me morning. Kind What sort of critter 1:47:44.815 --> 1:47:50.895 has built a black pouch underneath the ease of my house? 1:47:51.655 --> 1:47:54.495 He must have it, she must have it at night 1:47:55.575 --> 1:48:01.775 because I'm confined to a chair and suddenly it just appeared. 1:48:03.015 --> 1:48:04.815 What did you call it a black couch? 1:48:06.055 --> 1:48:09.455 I'm pouch, you know, a bag, pouch or pouch? 1:48:09.535 --> 1:48:12.415 Okay, yeah? And what color is it? It's black? 1:48:13.095 --> 1:48:13.855 What's black? 1:48:15.135 --> 1:48:15.215 What? 1:48:16.015 --> 1:48:19.015 Oh? Black is not a common thing in the natural 1:48:19.055 --> 1:48:23.375 world of insects. You know, how big is it. 1:48:25.215 --> 1:48:31.855 About the size of a man's first what? Yes, Look, 1:48:31.975 --> 1:48:35.375 I live in a very rare I have spiders. British 1:48:35.375 --> 1:48:39.655 spiders have sawns on their backs. I'm in a very 1:48:39.935 --> 1:48:47.135 I've created. Uh, I've created a very natural garden here, 1:48:49.295 --> 1:48:53.575 like a cottage garden, lots of trees and bush and flowers, 1:48:54.255 --> 1:48:59.895 full of bees and butterflies and bees. I've got them all. 1:49:00.455 --> 1:49:02.895 Okay. Now, if you've got a pouch that has grown, 1:49:03.775 --> 1:49:06.535 you know, to that size, that might be the beginning 1:49:06.575 --> 1:49:08.495 of a wasp nest. Could that be? 1:49:08.895 --> 1:49:09.135 Oh? 1:49:09.455 --> 1:49:10.295 No, do you know? 1:49:10.455 --> 1:49:16.815 I wondered, Yeah, that one, because it's broken. It's broken. 1:49:16.895 --> 1:49:22.215 Now, has it got these little hexagonal cells in it? 1:49:23.895 --> 1:49:25.575 No? 1:49:25.575 --> 1:49:28.135 No, that in that case, I may be totally wrong. 1:49:30.015 --> 1:49:34.655 From here, it looks like like set material. It looks 1:49:34.735 --> 1:49:35.455 quite soft. 1:49:36.135 --> 1:49:40.895 No, really, no, I can't. I cannot picture it in 1:49:40.895 --> 1:49:43.855 my brain. I cannot identify it without you know, seeing 1:49:43.855 --> 1:49:45.935 it in my brain. I do. 1:49:46.215 --> 1:49:49.495 I am cluse. I have a cowry tree on the property. 1:49:49.655 --> 1:49:53.735 That's crazy. And I wondered if if that has any 1:49:53.815 --> 1:49:55.335 influence on us. 1:49:55.535 --> 1:49:57.695 Oh, maybe it does, but I don't know. I cannot 1:49:57.735 --> 1:50:00.375 tell what it is. But just simply by listening to 1:50:00.415 --> 1:50:03.335 this description, I'm afraid. I'm sorry. I can't help you 1:50:03.375 --> 1:50:05.615 with that, but I can help you with one thing. 1:50:05.655 --> 1:50:09.855 If you think that spiders with little spikes on their 1:50:09.935 --> 1:50:13.295 back are strange, no, they're not, because they're quite often 1:50:13.295 --> 1:50:15.695 called two spine spiders and they look like that. 1:50:16.855 --> 1:50:21.575 Yes, oh right, oh well, oh. 1:50:23.415 --> 1:50:26.575 There you go. Hey, thank you, thank you for your call. 1:50:27.135 --> 1:50:29.095 I'm sorry I can't help you with the other thing. 1:50:29.295 --> 1:50:32.815 All us you take care and Margaret, good morning to you. 1:50:33.495 --> 1:50:39.135 Good morning. Rude my, I think they're asiatically so I've 1:50:39.135 --> 1:50:42.575 got several, but just one of them has got it 1:50:42.655 --> 1:50:45.375 looks like sunburn on the leaves, but the other seven 1:50:45.455 --> 1:50:48.255 got any of that. So if they're all going. 1:50:48.055 --> 1:50:52.015 Pround, they're all going off one plant only. 1:50:51.855 --> 1:50:53.535 Though, just on one plant. 1:50:54.215 --> 1:51:00.095 Anybody sprayed anything in the neighborhood, No, you haven't, so 1:51:00.855 --> 1:51:06.095 that's weird. Oh gosh, what could that be? I could 1:51:06.535 --> 1:51:09.495 Oh so they're slowly changing color and becoming brown. Do 1:51:09.575 --> 1:51:11.975 they then start to become brittle and die off? 1:51:13.495 --> 1:51:16.815 Well they are, yes, yeah, okay half of the leaf. 1:51:18.775 --> 1:51:21.415 That could well be then a fungal disease that actually 1:51:21.535 --> 1:51:22.895 slowly taking them off. 1:51:23.735 --> 1:51:26.895 Well, why there's just one plant, god, and not the others. 1:51:27.335 --> 1:51:32.135 That one drew the luckies, the lucky the lucky straw. No, 1:51:32.295 --> 1:51:35.655 I mean that happens sometimes that you get one plant. 1:51:35.415 --> 1:51:37.695 And they all been watered together. It's not like it's 1:51:37.735 --> 1:51:39.175 too wet or too dry. 1:51:39.455 --> 1:51:41.535 No, and it could and you know what, it also 1:51:41.615 --> 1:51:44.375 could be that there's something in the soil that started 1:51:44.415 --> 1:51:47.255 to eat the bulbs or the little rootlets of the bulbs, 1:51:47.295 --> 1:51:47.935 you know what I mean? 1:51:48.175 --> 1:51:51.575 And if that only that one, very healthy? 1:51:52.255 --> 1:51:55.215 Yeah, I know, well that's what happens sometimes, might be 1:51:55.255 --> 1:51:56.095 something in the ground. 1:51:56.775 --> 1:51:59.855 Go on, And also what is your opinion of worm 1:51:59.935 --> 1:52:01.015 we for a manure? 1:52:02.055 --> 1:52:08.175 Not too bad at all? Good, brilliant? Why not that 1:52:08.735 --> 1:52:12.375 that's how nature fertilizes itself with that sort of stuff. 1:52:12.695 --> 1:52:16.135 Wos do nothing but of course yeah, they make They 1:52:16.215 --> 1:52:19.495 decay all sorts of bits and pieces and transport them 1:52:19.535 --> 1:52:23.335 through the ground to put that fertilizer literally what it 1:52:23.375 --> 1:52:25.575 is all over the place in the forest or in 1:52:25.655 --> 1:52:28.575 your garden. So weren't we as such is a pretty 1:52:28.695 --> 1:52:29.535 useful material. 1:52:30.295 --> 1:52:32.575 Oh that's good because I have been using it. But 1:52:32.735 --> 1:52:34.615 I just wondered how good it was. 1:52:35.255 --> 1:52:39.295 It is good. It's better than you're wee, is it? 1:52:39.895 --> 1:52:40.095 Yeah? 1:52:40.495 --> 1:52:42.935 Well I heard that's quite good for the garden too. 1:52:44.655 --> 1:52:45.975 I'm not going to go there, darling. 1:52:46.735 --> 1:52:51.135 No, okay, rude, thank you? 1:52:51.535 --> 1:52:55.175 Christ Well, intervene now before we hit down the path 1:52:55.215 --> 1:52:58.015 that we just can't come back from. Uh, we're going 1:52:58.055 --> 1:52:59.975 to take a short break also after the break I'll 1:52:59.975 --> 1:53:01.735 tell you last week on the show, we ran a 1:53:01.735 --> 1:53:04.575 little competition for some legos, some Team New Zealand Lego. 1:53:04.855 --> 1:53:07.495 I've got the winners. I'll tell you who are after 1:53:07.535 --> 1:53:11.215 the break back, but keen to get amongst it. I 1:53:11.295 --> 1:53:13.135 tell you what last week, you know with the America's 1:53:13.215 --> 1:53:17.055 Cup Razine, who are actually heavily involved with the America's 1:53:17.055 --> 1:53:18.895 Cup because they make the paint that goes on the boat. 1:53:19.775 --> 1:53:24.295 Through Razine construction, we had three Lego kits to give away. 1:53:24.375 --> 1:53:27.015 We've got a lot of people entering, which was awesome. 1:53:27.295 --> 1:53:32.255 So Uppologna and Dunedin, Claire in At and karl In 1:53:32.535 --> 1:53:36.695 Tyrau are going to get these amazing Lego kits. I 1:53:36.695 --> 1:53:39.135 think there's a few pieces and they're pretty awesome. Anyway, 1:53:39.175 --> 1:53:41.095 they're on their way to you, so that's fantastic. And 1:53:41.175 --> 1:53:44.055 someone today is going to go home well is going 1:53:44.095 --> 1:53:46.255 to get a Clark Cultivator as well, which is awesome. 1:53:46.415 --> 1:53:49.535 We're getting to send him to you. Just talking about Razine. 1:53:49.615 --> 1:53:53.495 Another little heads up the Kiwi Art Trail that's going 1:53:53.535 --> 1:53:56.255 on in to Adimo, which is actually quite lovely to see. 1:53:56.455 --> 1:53:58.655 It's also sponsored partly bow Razine. 1:53:58.775 --> 1:54:02.575 Didn't know that interesting? What's the art trail about? And 1:54:02.575 --> 1:54:03.295 you've got a walk? 1:54:03.535 --> 1:54:06.575 No imagine having a kiwi? Are big kiwi kind of 1:54:07.575 --> 1:54:11.055 made you know as such? And then artists paint them 1:54:11.215 --> 1:54:15.855 are brilliant and they have these weird Well go online, 1:54:15.895 --> 1:54:16.615 look at the kipia. 1:54:16.775 --> 1:54:19.295 I'm in tar On the next in January for a wedding. 1:54:19.335 --> 1:54:20.255 Will they still be around? 1:54:22.455 --> 1:54:25.815 No, seventy of November okay, And guess where I'm going 1:54:25.855 --> 1:54:31.015 to be between now and the seventieth of November. You go. Actually, 1:54:31.015 --> 1:54:33.455 that's another thing. They have Plenty Arts and garden festival. 1:54:33.695 --> 1:54:36.575 If you I'm there for the whole week, go and 1:54:36.615 --> 1:54:38.375 I'll meet you there and it'll be a hell of 1:54:38.415 --> 1:54:42.215 a lot of fun. Both plenty arts a garden festival. 1:54:42.495 --> 1:54:46.335 Excellent. Hey, now I forwarded you an email from our 1:54:46.375 --> 1:54:49.455 mystery caller last week who had the worm and the irrigation. 1:54:50.655 --> 1:54:53.335 Oh yes, so the worm is like a white worm 1:54:53.455 --> 1:54:55.335 and when it was in the palm of his hand, 1:54:55.535 --> 1:55:00.255 I estimated to be about forty millimeters long. Cheapest I know. 1:55:02.015 --> 1:55:06.095 Oh whit Oh, that's that's a lot. That's quite. That's quite, 1:55:06.775 --> 1:55:10.135 and then and then as hell of course, well yeah 1:55:10.215 --> 1:55:10.655 gotta be. 1:55:10.975 --> 1:55:13.535 Yeah, but not so much to be fair. I mean, 1:55:13.575 --> 1:55:16.575 it's you got the photo, Yeah, I sent it to you. 1:55:17.295 --> 1:55:20.015 Ok. Oh yeah, there's me. That's me being an aeroplane. 1:55:21.655 --> 1:55:25.215 I'm just comparing if he's got some oflar palm markings 1:55:25.215 --> 1:55:28.295 for me. I reckon it is about without a word 1:55:28.295 --> 1:55:30.775 of a light, it'll be thirty five to forty millimeters long. 1:55:31.255 --> 1:55:34.175 I'm probably about two millimeters in diameter. And it's why 1:55:34.215 --> 1:55:34.935 I'll have to look at that. 1:55:35.015 --> 1:55:37.855 I'm going to make a note to self next week 1:55:37.895 --> 1:55:39.335 of course, Central Otagos. 1:55:39.375 --> 1:55:42.215 You know, we get to the bottom of this mystery 1:55:42.215 --> 1:55:45.055 for Dennis right right now, though, Mary, go talk to us. 1:55:45.055 --> 1:55:46.935 Good morning, Good morning. 1:55:47.135 --> 1:55:52.735 I'm just three about the aircraft spray repels. 1:55:53.135 --> 1:55:54.895 Yeah, yeah, there's never. 1:55:54.855 --> 1:55:57.455 No eight hundred numbers that we can get because I 1:55:57.455 --> 1:55:59.495 can't get hold of this, and I think. 1:55:59.415 --> 1:56:01.655 It's pretty good. I don't know that repels aircraft. 1:56:02.055 --> 1:56:05.975 No, it doesn't repel. Talking about I think I think 1:56:06.015 --> 1:56:09.575 they may because it's a safety company, safe works, they 1:56:09.695 --> 1:56:13.295 might not be opening in there on the Sunday. I'm 1:56:13.335 --> 1:56:15.055 not even sure if they open on the Saturday, but 1:56:15.095 --> 1:56:19.375 they open any other day after that that Christ are 1:56:19.415 --> 1:56:23.175 they Oh, I'll tell you they're on Hoswell Junction Road. 1:56:23.295 --> 1:56:27.175 There you go. Boom okay, thank you very much. 1:56:28.575 --> 1:56:31.095 To talk about you, Tanya, Good morning to you. 1:56:32.415 --> 1:56:36.095 Yes, good morning. So rude, I've got a bit of 1:56:36.095 --> 1:56:40.215 a scary problem where I've got mulbrowed freeze, a black 1:56:40.215 --> 1:56:44.255 one and a white variety planted about ten years ago. 1:56:44.935 --> 1:56:48.575 And yes they meta, but I do keep them trimmed 1:56:49.415 --> 1:56:53.135 a little bit, but they're still quite high. And like 1:56:53.215 --> 1:57:00.175 about last year, I saw a massive route climbing about 1:57:00.215 --> 1:57:03.975 four meters away from the tree into a back garden, 1:57:04.255 --> 1:57:06.415 a raised garden, and I cut that with my chain, 1:57:06.495 --> 1:57:10.535 sort of thinking kroky, that was voracious. And then in 1:57:10.615 --> 1:57:16.135 the front garden, Yesterda replaced three rose gardens and dug 1:57:16.135 --> 1:57:18.975 the soil out because you know, when you're replacing the roses, 1:57:18.975 --> 1:57:21.575 you've got to put change the soil. Blah blah blah. 1:57:21.615 --> 1:57:24.375 And what did I find? What did I find in 1:57:24.415 --> 1:57:28.215 the front garden like it had gone under the house 1:57:28.375 --> 1:57:32.335 or I don't know, frightening and voracious. What the hell 1:57:32.495 --> 1:57:33.935 do I have to cut those trees down. 1:57:34.575 --> 1:57:37.135 Whoa, whoa. How do you know it was the roots 1:57:37.175 --> 1:57:38.455 of that Melbury tree. 1:57:38.535 --> 1:57:42.095 I recognized them from when I cut the root with 1:57:42.135 --> 1:57:46.215 my chainsaw in the back garden. They're sort of like 1:57:46.215 --> 1:57:50.495 It's an orange color with a very woody center. And 1:57:51.175 --> 1:57:54.255 it was frightening to find that it had come that far. 1:57:55.215 --> 1:57:57.455 And I'm thinking Jesus, yeah. 1:57:57.335 --> 1:57:59.855 Yeah, yeah, I know. I find it extraordinary, by the way, 1:58:00.095 --> 1:58:03.335 And to be quite honest, I'm growing a melberry as well. 1:58:03.735 --> 1:58:05.135 You know why I grow in Melbury? 1:58:06.415 --> 1:58:09.215 The toes go meant your whole trees full of toys? 1:58:09.535 --> 1:58:12.455 Yeah, no, I want I grow Melbury because I want 1:58:12.495 --> 1:58:17.655 to grow what do you call these things? It doesn't 1:58:17.655 --> 1:58:22.575 matter forgotten some caterpillars. What do you call these? Silkwormsh what? 1:58:22.695 --> 1:58:25.055 I want to grow silk worms on the leaves of Melbury. 1:58:25.095 --> 1:58:27.775 That's the story. Okay, don't worry, but I did. Mine 1:58:27.895 --> 1:58:31.095 is not that bit misbehaving. It actually stays in one 1:58:31.175 --> 1:58:34.575 place and it grows quite nicely. I haven't heard of 1:58:34.615 --> 1:58:36.895 it going that quick, I know, I know, but I 1:58:36.935 --> 1:58:38.255 haven't heard of going that far. 1:58:38.815 --> 1:58:41.255 That would be I bought them as large trees. That 1:58:41.335 --> 1:58:44.095 mind you. I bought them as large trees, I got 1:58:44.095 --> 1:58:47.055 them installed as large trees, and then it's been them 1:58:47.095 --> 1:58:48.255 for about ten years. 1:58:48.735 --> 1:58:51.535 No, to be quite honest, I did not know that. 1:58:51.615 --> 1:58:54.055 But what you then need to start doing is actually 1:58:54.135 --> 1:58:57.255 get some dig around the Melbury trees and make sure 1:58:57.295 --> 1:59:00.975 that you start intercepting those roots before they go that far. 1:59:01.895 --> 1:59:02.615 Do you know what I mean? 1:59:02.695 --> 1:59:07.055 It's just incredible. And also there was a that I 1:59:07.135 --> 1:59:09.535 came across which I didn't even know I had. When 1:59:09.575 --> 1:59:12.775 I was I dug right down to remove all of 1:59:12.815 --> 1:59:17.495 the soil and that rose gardens, and I came across 1:59:17.495 --> 1:59:20.055 a drain and I saw the roots even in that 1:59:20.975 --> 1:59:25.535 way down. Unbelievable. You wouldn't even be able to get 1:59:25.775 --> 1:59:32.495 around that deep and that and that far. Seriously but spooky, 1:59:32.615 --> 1:59:34.695 I'm thinking, do I need to cut those trees down? 1:59:34.735 --> 1:59:35.655 I love those trees. 1:59:35.695 --> 1:59:39.535 But yeah, another little question, do you have boo to 1:59:39.615 --> 1:59:41.655 car Anyarby? 1:59:42.615 --> 1:59:42.815 No? 1:59:43.655 --> 1:59:46.655 Okay, I know Peter and Peter and I know that 1:59:47.335 --> 1:59:48.775 we can do this sort of nonsense. 1:59:49.375 --> 1:59:50.215 I know that too. 1:59:50.535 --> 1:59:50.775 Yeah. 1:59:50.895 --> 1:59:53.895 No, No, but I hadn't heard of I had not. 1:59:54.015 --> 1:59:55.935 I have never heard that of Melbourny trees. 1:59:56.535 --> 1:59:58.815 I wouldn't blame the tree though it's problem with the drain. 1:59:58.815 --> 2:00:00.535 It's not the tree. The trees still not trees. 2:00:00.575 --> 2:00:01.495 Do there? 2:00:01.535 --> 2:00:05.095 You go? Good boy back in the mo. 2:00:07.175 --> 2:00:08.615 Oh, what a busy old morning road. 2:00:09.055 --> 2:00:11.815 We've been fairly flat out, haven't we. But it's been good. 2:00:12.095 --> 2:00:14.975 So we've got the little worm to check out. But anyway, 2:00:15.095 --> 2:00:19.295 and I'll see if I can for next week. I'm 2:00:19.295 --> 2:00:20.855 going to be in Central Otagos. You have to do 2:00:20.895 --> 2:00:24.175 it probably from from. 2:00:24.415 --> 2:00:26.895 From we'll figure it out on the day, okay. 2:00:27.455 --> 2:00:30.215 Other than that, might be being fine and can't cultivate it. 2:00:30.295 --> 2:00:34.335 By the way, I think Margaret is the person. She 2:00:34.455 --> 2:00:36.455 was wonderful with her lily. I love that one, Lily. 2:00:36.535 --> 2:00:37.575 This is very good. 2:00:37.815 --> 2:00:39.495 I might get into the garden today as well. 2:00:39.575 --> 2:00:42.855 Rud you get on with it. 2:00:41.775 --> 2:00:44.655 Again next week. Take care all of this. Hey, thanks 2:00:44.735 --> 2:00:47.055 very much for your company this morning, folks. Next week 2:00:47.055 --> 2:00:50.535 on the show, Ben Johnson talking about the Fencing Act. 2:00:50.575 --> 2:00:52.495 He is a lawyer. He'll be with me next Sunday. 2:00:52.535 --> 2:00:54.095 Look forward to hearing from me For. 2:00:54.135 --> 2:00:57.255 More from the Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp. Listen live 2:00:57.335 --> 2:00:59.775 to news talks that'd be on Sunday mornings from six 2:01:00.095 --> 2:01:02.175 or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio,