Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter
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Speaker 5: Well, a very very good morning to you. On Labor weekend,
Speaker 5: not quite Labor Day, that's tomorrow, but it is a
Speaker 5: long weekend. It is well going to say it's springtime,
Speaker 5: but it doesn't really feel like spring, or is this
Speaker 5: typical for spring? Decent bit of rain in Auckland yesterday,
Speaker 5: I think, some flooding down in the Bay of Plenty
Speaker 5: area as well, or out around Hastings, I think. And
Speaker 5: then some friends send me pictures of fresh snow in
Speaker 5: Queenstown and around Wanaka. So we are in that sort
Speaker 5: of transition from winter to summer normally labor weekend, first
Speaker 5: opportunity for a while, first long weekend for a little while,
Speaker 5: to look towards summer and go right, I've got some
Speaker 5: jobs to do. I can get into the garden like
Speaker 5: I did on what day was it, Friday ahead of
Speaker 5: the sort of expected in clement weather on Saturday, which
Speaker 5: finally duly arrived. And you know, we're starting to look
Speaker 5: at what do I need to do now in order
Speaker 5: to get set up for Christmas, which I guess is
Speaker 5: just less than two months away, which is kind of
Speaker 5: scary when we start talking about that those sorts of dates. Anyway,
Speaker 5: if you've got a project that you would like some
Speaker 5: assistants with some advice around planning the project, some advice
Speaker 5: around selecting subcontractors, some advice around the type of materials,
Speaker 5: some advice around the sort of legislation that might impact
Speaker 5: on what you can and cannot do without necessarily requiring
Speaker 5: a building consent. In fact, that was part of my week.
Speaker 5: I was asked to sort of offer up an opinion
Speaker 5: as to some work that had been undertaken. And one
Speaker 5: of the things that I when I looked at it,
Speaker 5: I went, did you get a building consent for this work. No,
Speaker 5: we were told by the contractor that we didn't need
Speaker 5: a building consent, and I sort of had a sense that, well,
Speaker 5: it wasn't strictly building as and it wasn't a house,
Speaker 5: it was outside. I thought it did require a building
Speaker 5: consent because of the nature of the work. It was
Speaker 5: a retaining wall, it's vehicle surcharge on it, it was
Speaker 5: close to a boundary. Those two items in and of
Speaker 5: itself require a building consent or trigger the need for
Speaker 5: a building So now this kind of issue becomes also
Speaker 5: one about poor advice from a contractor. And there's been
Speaker 5: a number of those sorts of stories around at the moment.
Speaker 5: So if you've got issues with contractors, or issues with
Speaker 5: building materials, issues with counsel, and to be fair, that's
Speaker 5: not uncommon. We can talk about all of these things.
Speaker 5: If you've got a project that you're thinking, gosh, over
Speaker 5: the summer, I want to get this done, Well, now's
Speaker 5: the time to start planning. I remember many years ago
Speaker 5: talking with a very senior and experienced building survey. Building
Speaker 5: surveys are often called in towards the end of jobs,
Speaker 5: or when after a job is finished, to figure out
Speaker 5: why it's bad, basically why it hasn't gone well. And
Speaker 5: he said, look, in almost every single job that we
Speaker 5: get called to as building surveys, at the end of it,
Speaker 5: I arrive, I look around, and I go it all
Speaker 5: started with poor planning at the beginning. So if we
Speaker 5: can do some good planning, you'll get a good result.
Speaker 5: What's on the show today, Well, it's pretty much your
Speaker 5: show today, So it's eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 5: If you've got questions of a building nature, we can
Speaker 5: talk about that right through till just after eight o'clock.
Speaker 5: Had the opportunity to catch up with a gentleman by
Speaker 5: the name of Malcolm Fleming. He is the chief executive
Speaker 5: of Certified Builders New Zealand. And the reason I kind
Speaker 5: of reached out to them was that if you cast
Speaker 5: your mind back to some of the discussions around potentially
Speaker 5: rolling back the H one standard. This is Chris penk As,
Speaker 5: the Minister for Building and Construction, had got some advice
Speaker 5: from somewhere saying that we'll look, hey, if we're looking
Speaker 5: to save costs on New Zealand buildings, then it's kind
Speaker 5: of low hanging fruit the H one changes. That finally
Speaker 5: fully came into force in November of last year, so
Speaker 5: almost twelve months ago. They are adding significant cost, you
Speaker 5: could say, fifty thousand dollars off the cost of building
Speaker 5: a house by rolling back the H one changes to
Speaker 5: the previous iteration of that particular piece of legislation. What
Speaker 5: was fascinating is that a number of groups quickly put
Speaker 5: their hand up to say, actually, we don't think those
Speaker 5: numbers are right, and for a lot of different reasons,
Speaker 5: we don't think we should be winding back the H
Speaker 5: one changes. And you know, when the Green Building Council
Speaker 5: comes out and says that, you kind of go, oh,
Speaker 5: that's in your wheelhouse. It's not surprising that you would
Speaker 5: say that. But a number of other groups also came
Speaker 5: forward to say we don't support this idea, and more importantly,
Speaker 5: here's the numbers. And one of those groups was certified Builders.
Speaker 5: So that's a sorry long winded way of saying that's
Speaker 5: why I wanted to reach out certified builders. That's why
Speaker 5: I sat down with Malcolm Fleming, and I'll have that
Speaker 5: interview for you just after eight o'clock this morning. But
Speaker 5: right now it is your opportunity to talk all things
Speaker 5: building and construction. The lines are open. The number to
Speaker 5: call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. You can text
Speaker 5: if you wish, that is nine two nine two, and
Speaker 5: if you'd like to send me an email. I've remembered
Speaker 5: my passwords, so it is Pete at newstooksbat dot co
Speaker 5: dot n Z. I kind of joke about remembering the
Speaker 5: part because here at this organization, we have to change
Speaker 5: them every three months, which is ah. Anyway, I'm sure
Speaker 5: it makes the whole place secure because, oh imagine if
Speaker 5: people got into my emails. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
Speaker 5: ten eighty is the number to call. If you've got
Speaker 5: a question of a building nature, you can call, which
Speaker 5: is my preference. You can text like this person did.
Speaker 5: Large flat roof butteanyl showing signs of deterioration after thirty
Speaker 5: five to forty years. Criyche, be thankful there, that's an
Speaker 5: exceptionally good run. So large flat roof of butteanyl showing
Speaker 5: signs of deterioration after thirty five to forty years. Can
Speaker 5: I coat it with something successfully? There are coatings, Terry,
Speaker 5: I'm happy to say. The issue would be is if
Speaker 5: the butte nole is kind of delaminating from the substrate,
Speaker 5: then the coating won't solve that problem because it's an
Speaker 5: adhesion problem. If it's just kind of general wear and
Speaker 5: tear and some of the laps are opening up, maybe
Speaker 5: or there's a bit of cracking that sometimes can occur
Speaker 5: when you go through a bend, particularly if it's a
Speaker 5: ninety degree rather than a faceted sort of two forty
Speaker 5: five degrees. Then there are coatings available, Some of the
Speaker 5: ones that I'm familiar with using, you can't buy off
Speaker 5: the shelf. They can only be applied by licensed applicators.
Speaker 5: So if that sounds like a bit of you, have
Speaker 5: a look at equis as one of those coating products
Speaker 5: that is available but can only be installed by licensed applicators.
Speaker 5: We'll take more of your calls and texts and just
Speaker 5: a moment, will take a break. Now is a great
Speaker 5: time to call. We inevitably always get really busy later
Speaker 5: on in the show, So let's stretch our legs. Let's
Speaker 5: take the time to chat. Oh eight one hundred eighty
Speaker 5: ten eighty the number to call, just to heads up
Speaker 5: as well. I intend, as is my want these days
Speaker 5: to do these terribly unscientific, ill prepared poorly thought out
Speaker 5: and lacking in any sort of academic riggor surveys. But
Speaker 5: I enjoy doing them because it gives me a bit
Speaker 5: of a snapshot into where you're at. And so over
Speaker 5: the last little while, we've done a couple of things like,
Speaker 5: you know, do you support winding back H one, Yes, No,
Speaker 5: that was a good one to do, and so this
Speaker 5: morning I'll put it forward in about half an hour
Speaker 5: or so. What I'm thinking is, and it was out
Speaker 5: of a bit of experience this week where I went
Speaker 5: to as it happened, to hire Paul to pick up
Speaker 5: some gear. And then I was driving back and I
Speaker 5: was thinking, I wonder how often people hire equipment, because
Speaker 5: the dilemma is always do I hire something or do
Speaker 5: I buy it? Right now? Now, in some cases it's
Speaker 5: impractical to buy all of the equipment that you might need.
Speaker 5: And that might be a combination of cost. It might
Speaker 5: be a combinator, or it might be the influencing factor
Speaker 5: is how often am I going to use it if
Speaker 5: I buy? You know, back when I was doing a
Speaker 5: lot more contracting, do I buy a plate compactor for
Speaker 5: when I'm doing slabs or do I hire one? Given
Speaker 5: that I might do one or two slabs a year.
Speaker 5: I don't need a plate compactor sitting in the workshop
Speaker 5: taking up space, given that I might use it two
Speaker 5: or three days a year, It's better off to go
Speaker 5: and hire it for that. So what's your balance? So
Speaker 5: my question is going to be, and it's just a
Speaker 5: number thing, how many times a year do you go
Speaker 5: and hire equipment? And that might be you know, if
Speaker 5: you're doing work at home in the garden, do you
Speaker 5: have your own chainsaw or do you go and hire one?
Speaker 5: Do you have your own ladder, for example, or do
Speaker 5: you go and hire one? Do you have your own trailer?
Speaker 5: And I'm talking about you not necessarily as a contractor.
Speaker 5: So obviously I have a trailer because I use it
Speaker 5: fairly frequently for work. But if you're a homeowner, do
Speaker 5: you have a trailer because they're still kind of useful,
Speaker 5: but or do you go actually takes up space. I've
Speaker 5: got to get a warrant for I've got a register it,
Speaker 5: I need to ensure et cetera, et cetera. I need
Speaker 5: to maintain it. No, if I need one, I'll just
Speaker 5: go and hire one. So that might be my moot.
Speaker 5: We'll start that in about half an hour and we'll
Speaker 5: see where we get to. Just as a number once
Speaker 5: a year, twice a year, three times a year. Just
Speaker 5: give me a number one two to what either. I'll
Speaker 5: try and figure out actually how many times a year
Speaker 5: I go and hire stuff as well. I will do
Speaker 5: some thinking on that. Right, we'll start a little bit
Speaker 5: later on die. Good morning to you.
Speaker 4: Good morning, beautiful sunny war.
Speaker 5: I thought it was I thought it was flooding down
Speaker 5: that way yesterday. There's a bridge.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, we were good. Yeah, that's sut it down.
Speaker 4: So where's that bang really between Gussie up to the
Speaker 4: north and Hawks Bay down to the south.
Speaker 5: So yeah, awesome, awesome. How can I help?
Speaker 4: Well, I've been on a long journey for designing my
Speaker 4: own house. It's just a passionate and interest and it's
Speaker 4: been We've got our own piece of land out here.
Speaker 4: It's got a beautiful view. That's I know how I
Speaker 4: want to live in it. So I've been doing a
Speaker 4: couple of papers through Open Politics next well on residential
Speaker 4: construction and materials and structures and learning all about you know,
Speaker 4: the building code and really enjoy the journey. But I'm
Speaker 4: getting down to the point now I'm having to make
Speaker 4: some calls around clouding choices and window choices, yes, because
Speaker 4: as you know, that will determine a loss around the
Speaker 4: constantine application and design process. But I'm a wildl mate
Speaker 4: and I like to touch things and look at them
Speaker 4: and talk to people and ask lots of specific questions.
Speaker 4: And it's just really hard to know where to go
Speaker 4: where I can look at different materials and talk to
Speaker 4: people and discuss options. I can only really do study
Speaker 4: online to a certain extent, but yeah, I need to
Speaker 4: talk to humans. So where do I go.
Speaker 5: It's a really it's a fantastic question in the sense that, look,
Speaker 5: you know, it's not surprising that there isn't all of
Speaker 5: those samples for those critical elements available to you in
Speaker 5: that area. Possibly if you travel to say, Gisbone, or
Speaker 5: to Torronger certainly, or maybe to Hamilton to Poor I'm
Speaker 5: not sure whether you would have that. I mean the
Speaker 5: thought that the first thought that came to mind is
Speaker 5: would it be worth you taking the time and spending
Speaker 5: the money and going. Look, I'm going to book in
Speaker 5: a whole series of sort of meetings and I'm going
Speaker 5: to go either Auckland or Wellington for a day and
Speaker 5: a half and go, right, I'm going out to have
Speaker 5: a look at joinery suites. I want to go and
Speaker 5: have a look at, you know, cladding options, maybe have
Speaker 5: a look at inslation, etc. And just book in some
Speaker 5: time and do essentially a little investigation like that because
Speaker 5: and I mean Auckland, for example, I know there is
Speaker 5: in Parnell who used to be I'm pretty sure it's
Speaker 5: still there, like a large center that has a number
Speaker 5: of different building products in it. So it might be
Speaker 5: like I remember looking for different types of concrete, for example,
Speaker 5: and they had a first display there with all of
Speaker 5: their different exterior concretes, all of their colors and textures
Speaker 5: and so on. So you could just wander in there
Speaker 5: and go, I want to have a look at cladding
Speaker 5: because that's over there. I want to have a look
Speaker 5: at roofing because that's over there. I want to have
Speaker 5: a look at concrete because that's over there. And possibly joinery. Now,
Speaker 5: depending in terms of the joinery, you might just find
Speaker 5: that if through your own research already you've identified a
Speaker 5: particular style or a suite of joinery, then certainly in
Speaker 5: Auckland you would find an outlet that would have that
Speaker 5: where you could go and have a look cladding at
Speaker 5: the stage. What are you most likely to use for
Speaker 5: your cladding.
Speaker 4: I've really liked weatherboard k coastal. I want to be
Speaker 4: in keeping with the whole fucker pupper those areas so
Speaker 4: and be respectful. So I really like cloud, like the
Speaker 4: way the light moves and changes across it. And I
Speaker 4: think it's it's the coastal, that coastal view. But do
Speaker 4: I go, you know, leget timber Well, I'm coastal and
Speaker 4: we're in the middle of the paddic and lots of
Speaker 4: past here, or do I go to ment fiber in
Speaker 4: wench case I had to then consider around, you know,
Speaker 4: having cavity space behind the clad in and how long
Speaker 4: would that last form? I don't know. So this is
Speaker 4: what I mean. I can read specs and you know,
Speaker 4: look at all the tables and everything else, but sometimes
Speaker 4: it's good to talk to a human.
Speaker 5: Absolutely and look, potentially there might be some value in
Speaker 5: finding a local contractor, because you know, again, the one
Speaker 5: of the challenges I would imagine of building and I'm
Speaker 5: going to use the word remote, not suggesting that it's
Speaker 5: terribly remote, but you know, materials that need to come
Speaker 5: let's say, from Auckland or from Wellington are likely to
Speaker 5: be more expensive than materials that you might be able
Speaker 5: to source sort of locally, and that's going to have
Speaker 5: impact on your budget, which you should be considering now,
Speaker 5: rather than selecting something and then finding that it's cost
Speaker 5: prohibitive when you actually go to install it. I have
Speaker 5: questioned for you, die and I love the fact that
Speaker 5: you're doing the reading and the research and upskilling and
Speaker 5: so on. Ultimately, when it comes to lodging the building consent,
Speaker 5: those drawings are going to be need to be done
Speaker 5: by a design LBP. So have you got someone in
Speaker 5: mind who's prepared to take your ideas and incorporate them
Speaker 5: into the design?
Speaker 6: Yes, yes I have.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I've got a friend of mine so as
Speaker 4: an architect, but I need to legit to all my
Speaker 4: work first, otherwise because I need to be able to
Speaker 4: answer questions. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so and I really I do.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 5: It's an exciting journey. It's great and good on you
Speaker 5: for being then engaged. Sorry just one for the question,
Speaker 5: and I do want to take up too much time.
Speaker 5: But in terms of the design, like are you focused
Speaker 5: on let's say, the appearance of the building. Are you
Speaker 5: focused on the performance of the building, are you focused
Speaker 5: on cost? Like what's driving your decisions?
Speaker 4: Well, it's going to be our forever home, so I'm
Speaker 4: really looking at performance. We've got amazing but insight, so
Speaker 4: I'm trying to do something well, I'm looking at solo passive,
Speaker 4: so having that concrete based on the glazed windows. And
Speaker 4: obviously I wanted to look nice because I want people
Speaker 4: to drive by and go, oh my god, what's she done?
Speaker 4: So and I have to live in a small quidity,
Speaker 4: you know, so yeah it has to look good. But
Speaker 4: all of those definitely need to be taken into account
Speaker 4: and it is. And also because we've gone through two floods,
Speaker 4: you know, finding contractors is really hard. And yeah, I've
Speaker 4: got a couple a couple of people lined up who
Speaker 4: I'm going to, you know, work through the plumbing plan.
Speaker 4: And because I think that's awesome point in corporate all
Speaker 4: that when you're designed. I did design once Tinier home.
Speaker 5: Would you consider offsite manufacture?
Speaker 3: I have?
Speaker 4: So this first house we had here was built in Hamilton,
Speaker 4: and I was just I was still removed from the process.
Speaker 4: To be honest with you, I kind of like could
Speaker 4: mentally walk through over and when it turned off, I
Speaker 4: was like, and there's something about building. I love getting
Speaker 4: my hands dirty. I work in education, and I spent
Speaker 4: a lot of time people's heads, actually somebody with my
Speaker 4: hands and actually going wow, I did that, incredibly satisfying.
Speaker 5: Let us know how you get on. Please stay in
Speaker 5: touch because it's a fascinating process. And you know, I
Speaker 5: mean to find a homeowner who's as engaged in the
Speaker 5: design process as you are is without being patronizing or
Speaker 5: anything quite remarkable. So good on you. I think it'll
Speaker 5: be a great build, and having so much knowledge ahead
Speaker 5: of it, it should go really really well. But please
Speaker 5: do stay in touch. I'll be curious to know where
Speaker 5: where you land with your design.
Speaker 4: Hey, and done it next time you know you're down
Speaker 4: this way for a road, and you should do. Because
Speaker 4: one of my boyfriends up and Gusbend, Chris Vince, normally
Speaker 4: shout out for him. He is the one who put
Speaker 4: me onto you. So you've been put to be inspiring
Speaker 4: and help this journey too.
Speaker 5: So yeah, nice to be part of it. You take
Speaker 5: care all of this, you please, all of this. What
Speaker 5: a fantastic journey that's awesome. Wa at eighty ten eighty
Speaker 5: is that number to call? Quick text before we go
Speaker 5: to the break. Do you need a permit to install
Speaker 5: a second kitchen and a home in Hamilton?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 5: And whether that's Hamilton or anywhere else in the country,
Speaker 5: putting in an extra kitchen absolutely requires a building consent.
Speaker 5: Back in a mow, I'm just reading a quite interesting text.
Speaker 5: I'll come to that in the moment. Joe, good morning
Speaker 5: to you.
Speaker 4: Morning to you, sir.
Speaker 7: Hello, Now.
Speaker 8: Hi, just a query.
Speaker 4: Do you need a consent to build? Like with sand
Speaker 4: and you probably stamp ad in and get your shape right.
Speaker 4: And a pond, a small pond? Do you need building consent?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 5: I don't believe you need building consent, but there are
Speaker 5: some regulations around the depth of the pond, so it
Speaker 5: can only be to a certain depth, and beyond that
Speaker 5: it may well on a residential become a Essentially they'll
Speaker 5: treat it like a swimming pool, right, and then suddenly
Speaker 5: you'll you'll be subject in effect to the Pool Fencing Act,
Speaker 5: and you'll need barriers of a certain height and doors
Speaker 5: that swing shut and locks that can't be accessible by
Speaker 5: small children, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Et cetera.
Speaker 5: So yeah, just just go online find the regulations. I
Speaker 5: know a mate who went through it recently and they
Speaker 5: just had to make sure that they kept the depth
Speaker 5: of a certain amount. And then I'm pretty sure you
Speaker 5: don't need a building consent. I mean, how big is
Speaker 5: the pond? Are you talking? You know, like five square
Speaker 5: meters or fifty or five hundred square meters?
Speaker 4: Is just a baby pond for a couple of well,
Speaker 4: I like ecology and I would you call it dragon flies?
Speaker 4: And form around that?
Speaker 6: Just what do you what would you call it?
Speaker 5: In some ways? I mean? And again I saw this
Speaker 5: on a project a little while ago where they had
Speaker 5: as part of their stormwater management for the site, the
Speaker 5: storm water actually went into effectively a rain garden. Rain
Speaker 5: gardens have become quite popular, and they're popular esthetically because
Speaker 5: I think they actually look quite nice, but they're also
Speaker 5: really practical in terms of there's a lot of chat
Speaker 5: at the moment, and for those people who might be
Speaker 5: triggered by sort of new language and all the rest
Speaker 5: of it, just tune out for a second. There's a
Speaker 5: lot of talk around making our cities more spongy, right
Speaker 5: that as we deal with stormwater as an issue for
Speaker 5: individuals but also for entire regions. One of the one
Speaker 5: of the ways forward is to go. We need to
Speaker 5: be able to create environments where when we do get
Speaker 5: that really heavy rain, intense rain, short periods of time,
Speaker 5: lots of rain in a small period of time. Is
Speaker 5: there a way to make our it is more spongy,
Speaker 5: to absorb that and then release it slowly over time.
Speaker 5: And on an individual level, you can do that, you know,
Speaker 5: and part of that might be if you had rainwater tanks,
Speaker 5: for example, then you can run them down before weather
Speaker 5: event and allow them to fill up so they soak
Speaker 5: up some of that capacity. And in the same way,
Speaker 5: you can do that with rain gardens and add those
Speaker 5: to your landscaping design so that they might hold a
Speaker 5: certain amount of water, but they can contain a downpour
Speaker 5: and then release that over time. So if you sort
Speaker 5: of integrate what you're doing with a pond into some
Speaker 5: rain stormwater management, that would be a good thing.
Speaker 4: One another question, would you sorry, would you like so
Speaker 4: you clam out the area so space with the big
Speaker 4: storm we had to a lake?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was pretty something that wouldn't happen all that
Speaker 4: up now? Is that we just start up with sand
Speaker 4: compact that put stones and then rock and then maybe wood.
Speaker 5: I think with pond sometimes a little bit of it
Speaker 5: is selecting the right type of clay. If you're going
Speaker 5: to kind of do a natural one, you want a
Speaker 5: clay that's not quite impermeable, but that will hold moisture
Speaker 5: because in the end, you want a pond, not a puddle, right,
Speaker 5: you know, it's something that needs to hold water over
Speaker 5: a period of time. So sometimes it's about this the
Speaker 5: right selection of the clay. Also, I guess if it's
Speaker 5: relatively shallow and it's not the liner of it isn't impervious,
Speaker 5: then it will disappear. You know, if we don't have
Speaker 5: rain for two or three weeks, for example, two hundred
Speaker 5: millimeters sitting on the ground will just evaporate. So I
Speaker 5: guess you've got to think about the design of it
Speaker 5: to ensure that it doesn't evaporate when you don't want
Speaker 5: it to, because then you'll lose the habitat, you know,
Speaker 5: like I say, you want a pond, not a puddle.
Speaker 5: But in terms of the building, consent to your original question,
Speaker 5: it's all about the depth, as I understand it, So
Speaker 5: just check that out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have got a.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, that'll go well. Good luck with it all,
Speaker 5: the best of you. Joe oh eight one hundred and
Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty is the number to call the stext
Speaker 5: that caught my eye a moment ago. We've gone through
Speaker 5: years of building remediation on an apartment building was completed
Speaker 5: last year. From day one, the large areas of floating
Speaker 5: tiles in the common area and the deck won't drain
Speaker 5: properly and the water sits on top of them for ages.
Speaker 5: The building and the project manager say it's built to speck.
Speaker 5: The tile supplier says that they were working to the specs,
Speaker 5: it's not their problem, and the architect says that it's
Speaker 5: a tile fault. Of course, the property manager, who oversaw
Speaker 5: the whole project takes no responsibility who should take who
Speaker 5: should be taking legal action against since everyone is blaming
Speaker 5: everyone else. I'll tell you what one place to start
Speaker 5: if you want to pursue this is too You need
Speaker 5: an pendant advice, and that might be someone like a
Speaker 5: registered building surveyor who could come in and determine whether
Speaker 5: or not the selection of the tiles meets the code,
Speaker 5: whether the installation meets the manufacturer specification give you an
Speaker 5: independent bit of advice on there, maybe to send me
Speaker 5: an updated text and go. Is the issue that water
Speaker 5: sits on top of the tile. So if for example,
Speaker 5: it's a six hundred by six hundred tile and it
Speaker 5: rains and those tiles are flat, then for a period
Speaker 5: of time after it rains, the water will sit on there,
Speaker 5: albeit not particularly deep, but it will sit on there
Speaker 5: because obviously, the way those systems are designed is that
Speaker 5: they are flat, so you get level entry and you
Speaker 5: get a flat surface to sit on and put chairs
Speaker 5: and tables and those sorts of things on. But obviously
Speaker 5: a six hundred by six hundred square of tile, regardless
Speaker 5: of texture or whatever, is going to hold water. Not much,
Speaker 5: but it will hold water, and eventually that dries or evaporates.
Speaker 5: And so that's how those systems work. And if that's
Speaker 5: your concern, I don't know that you're actually going to
Speaker 5: find that you've got any redress. That's just one of
Speaker 5: those things that you know, unless you go for small tiles,
Speaker 5: which then has other issues, or you lay those tiles
Speaker 5: with fall, which is not how those systems are designed
Speaker 5: to it is. That's just the nature of the system. Sorry,
Speaker 5: that's not a great answer, but it is an answer. Oh,
Speaker 5: eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
Speaker 5: to call. We'll talk to Jane and then we'll take
Speaker 5: your calls in just a moment.
Speaker 10: Jane, Hello there, Good morning, Good I'm calling about the
Speaker 10: auglant In tree plant requirements. Yes, waste water systems on
Speaker 10: properties that are not connected to SERACHE. They co chapter
Speaker 10: E five point six point one and my question one
Speaker 10: of them three I've got suitably qualified on site wastewater
Speaker 10: service provider and also where the tank is pumped out
Speaker 10: of suitably qualified on site wastewater service provide How do
Speaker 10: we find these? Do they have a certification or something?
Speaker 5: To be fair, I'd have to do some research on that.
Speaker 5: It's something that has come up, and to be fair,
Speaker 5: when I first heard this, I thought, you know, is
Speaker 5: this kind of another layer of bureaucracy or another layer
Speaker 5: of compliance that's been added to homeowners? And for what reason?
Speaker 5: Because for years and years and years, as a homeowner,
Speaker 5: if you weren't connected to Mainz waste water, right you
Speaker 5: had on site waste disposal, septic tanks and the like,
Speaker 5: you just looked after it, right, and if it didn't work,
Speaker 5: that was your problem, right If you ended up with
Speaker 5: basically poosing the law, that's your problem right now.
Speaker 10: New government said that they were going to stop interference
Speaker 10: with what we can do on our own property. That's
Speaker 10: a fairly recent comment, but now we're stuck with us
Speaker 10: needing to comply.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you are right, and I've heard this from a
Speaker 5: number of people, So I would imagine that you know,
Speaker 5: when they say suitably qualified. I don't know if there's
Speaker 5: actually a qualification for that. It would be interesting to
Speaker 5: know and if someone can text me whether there is
Speaker 5: a specific qualification. But I guess it's a company that
Speaker 5: is either has a registered drain layer or certified drain
Speaker 5: layer who's part of the organization that I suppose counselor
Speaker 5: then confident that that company, if they take material from
Speaker 5: your site, if they pump out the tanks, that they
Speaker 5: will then take it to an approved site for disposal,
Speaker 5: rather than you know, fly tipping it potentially those sorts
Speaker 5: of things. So I look, I'm happy to do a
Speaker 5: bit of research. We'll look at that. But it does
Speaker 5: seem like this is now common, certainly in Auckland and
Speaker 5: quite possibly across the country where where as a homeowner,
Speaker 5: used to have to take responsibility and you were expected
Speaker 5: to be responsible. Now you have to prove that responsibility
Speaker 5: by having a contract to come and do this work
Speaker 5: for you.
Speaker 10: Yes, and that's the pottible.
Speaker 5: And how often are you required to have an inspection?
Speaker 5: It's like every six months or twelve months now.
Speaker 10: Well, yes, for two that's on a very regular basis.
Speaker 5: How often is it required.
Speaker 10: At least once every three years?
Speaker 5: Okay, once every three years.
Speaker 10: Disposal system should be inspected, secondary and tersary treatment systems
Speaker 10: and associated land disposal systems must be servant six months.
Speaker 10: I have suitably qualified on site waste provider.
Speaker 5: So it's like getting more on fitness for your car.
Speaker 5: All of a sudden that every six months you're down.
Speaker 5: You know you're getting someone in And.
Speaker 10: I've lived with septic tanks in this area, which is
Speaker 10: Auckland District, since nineteen fifty two.
Speaker 11: Yep.
Speaker 5: But yes, these are the new regulations. I'm not sure
Speaker 5: what happens if you don't comply with the regulations, but
Speaker 5: I suspect that if you know, for example, I don't
Speaker 5: know what would happen if you didn't comply, But there
Speaker 5: is a requirement to comply, so you're supposed to, but
Speaker 5: it certainly is a not significant cost on homeowners.
Speaker 10: I would love you to do some edications.
Speaker 5: I'm more happy to do that.
Speaker 10: There are a group of three of us who are
Speaker 10: together and we're going ahead with this because we have to.
Speaker 10: But we're in the own field, and a very expensive one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and inevitably the companies that do it have now
Speaker 5: been guaranteed a pipeline of work, pardon the pun. And
Speaker 5: you know whether or not it stays competitive, that will
Speaker 5: be an interesting thing as well.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 10: They started in April with the LISTA. They talked in
Speaker 10: two thousand and nineteen about it originally and didn't follow
Speaker 10: it up, but have now and all of them are
Speaker 10: so busy because this has come through April. Until we're
Speaker 10: checked in with somebody to come and do three of them.
Speaker 5: You keep well, I think that's very wise. And look,
Speaker 5: there is I suppose particularly for those situations where you know,
Speaker 5: while you might not be connected to public waste water
Speaker 5: and so you have to contain it, if you're having
Speaker 5: to look after your own syread set system and you're
Speaker 5: in reasonably close proximity to your neighbors, you can understand
Speaker 5: why it's in everybody's interest to make sure that everybody
Speaker 5: actually looks after their wastewater systems. Right, So if the
Speaker 5: system's not working well and there's potential contamination or these
Speaker 5: issues with smell and so on, it's it is sort
Speaker 5: of a public good to have them looked after it.
Speaker 5: But then you've just that, you know, you've said it
Speaker 5: true yep, and since nineteen fifty two you've looked after
Speaker 5: your system and it's worked for all of that time,
Speaker 5: there's no issues with it, and now suddenly you have
Speaker 5: to prove that there's no issues to it.
Speaker 10: Yep.
Speaker 5: Yeah. It would be a good one too, as you say,
Speaker 5: a government that's come in going hey we want less
Speaker 5: regulation and that sort of thing to go, hey, here's
Speaker 5: another thing to have a look at. I have made
Speaker 5: some notes stay in touch with my head.
Speaker 10: Who does a person go to?
Speaker 5: I guess you'd start with. If that was me in
Speaker 5: that situation, I would probably start with a local drain layer, right,
Speaker 5: who I know and trust, and then say to them, look,
Speaker 5: can you put me in touch with a contractor who
Speaker 5: is you know, reliable and trustworthy and go from there.
Speaker 5: So I would start with a local drain layer okay,
Speaker 5: all right.
Speaker 10: Talking with you, that's really and assuring all.
Speaker 5: The best take care bother them. A couple of quick
Speaker 5: texts that have come in just on that issue as well,
Speaker 5: counsels you. We have a list of approved train labs.
Speaker 5: Don't know. I don't know if they do text me
Speaker 5: and the link or something like that. Interested to see
Speaker 5: not something that I've ever seen. Quick text as well,
Speaker 5: Hey Pete, I'm interested in the price comparison and using
Speaker 5: tilt slab over traditional brick or weatherboard. I'd call, but
Speaker 5: I'm heading into an area with bad service. Hopefully I've
Speaker 5: caught you in time. Richie. I suspect that tilt slab
Speaker 5: would be considerably more expensive only because think about the process,
Speaker 5: you know, specific design offsite, manufacture, transportation to site, crane,
Speaker 5: higher upspect footings, those sorts of things. Certainly for residential
Speaker 5: I would imagine that you would have to be really
Speaker 5: and I love the idea, to be fair, I quite
Speaker 5: like the idea of doing part of the house out
Speaker 5: of tilt slab. In fact, there's a house that was
Speaker 5: built not far from me where they extensively use tilt
Speaker 5: slab pan for the exterior of the building. And I
Speaker 5: love it to bits. It's one of the nicest pieces
Speaker 5: of architecture that I've seen in a couple of years
Speaker 5: in and around where I happen to live. So I
Speaker 5: love the idea, but I would say that the cost
Speaker 5: in a residential situation would be considerably more than brick
Speaker 5: and certainly more than weather board. Oh eight hundred eighty
Speaker 5: ten eighty. Will take a short break, will take your calls.
Speaker 5: We've still got time before the news, so call us now,
Speaker 5: oh eight hundred eighty ten eight. So what I'm unsure
Speaker 5: about is whether or not this requirement to prove that
Speaker 5: you are maintaining your on site waste water systems is
Speaker 5: nationwide or just an Auckland Council requirement so from the
Speaker 5: Auckland Council website. So I'm going to assume at the
Speaker 5: stage that I'm just going to stick with Auckland. So
Speaker 5: primary systems, that's like a septic tank with a disposal field.
Speaker 5: These units tend to be older and use simple technology.
Speaker 5: There are se secondary or tertiary systems. So secondary and
Speaker 5: tertiary systems may have multiple treatment tanks in a disposal field.
Speaker 5: They often use electric pumps and have multiple chambers for
Speaker 5: increased filtration. So in July twenty twenty two or can
Speaker 5: Council send letters to property owners to request their proof
Speaker 5: of waste water maintenance. The letter explains the type of
Speaker 5: proof that they need and how long you have to
Speaker 5: submit these to their records. Failure to maintain your system
Speaker 5: may result in a fine or a penalty. Then it
Speaker 5: goes on to say who can service your on site
Speaker 5: wastewater system. There are many companies in Auckland who service
Speaker 5: pump out and repair. Companies listed in the table use
Speaker 5: our standard form for servicing. They provide this form directly
Speaker 5: to us on your behalf. And then it goes on
Speaker 5: to list a reasonably extensive list of companies that I
Speaker 5: guess they know are doing the inspections in a way
Speaker 5: that complies with the regulations. So there you go. Whether
Speaker 5: that's nationwide or not, I'm not absolutely sure. We're going
Speaker 5: to kick off the survey in the next hour. So
Speaker 5: just if you've just tuned in, I now am increasingly
Speaker 5: doing these terribly thought out, unscientific, lacking in any academic
Speaker 5: robustness surveys, but I enjoy them. So the moot is
Speaker 5: going to be and you just text me and it's
Speaker 5: just going to be a number one through to whatever.
Speaker 5: How many times in a calendar year would you go
Speaker 5: and higher equipment? Now, that could be a water blaster,
Speaker 5: it could be a chainsaw, It could be a motormar.
Speaker 5: It could be a trailer. It could be a bit
Speaker 5: of scaffolding. It could be a furniture trailer, anything like
Speaker 5: that that you might go and higher. How many times
Speaker 5: in a year would you go and hire equipment? And
Speaker 5: what I'm interested to sort of gauge is one, how
Speaker 5: often we go and higher gear? And two whether or
Speaker 5: not that sort of gives me an insight into that
Speaker 5: because we've all got that dilemma of do I buy
Speaker 5: something or do I hire it? You know, at what
Speaker 5: point does it make sort of economic sense to buy
Speaker 5: it versus makes sense to just hire it. I realized
Speaker 5: that I'm coming up to the news time, so Anne,
Speaker 5: I might get you just to hold because your question
Speaker 5: intrigues me to the point where I suspect that it's
Speaker 5: not going to be a simple answer. So Anne, if
Speaker 5: you could just hold and we'll chat immediately after the
Speaker 5: news on my unscientific poll, I'm gonna have to come
Speaker 5: up with a neck and a n achronism anagram for
Speaker 5: these anyway, we just text me a number. So do
Speaker 5: you go to a higher center like I did? I
Speaker 5: went to high Pool this week to drop off a
Speaker 5: trailer that I'd use to carry some site fencing on.
Speaker 5: So that's that's let's call that one hire. I mean,
Speaker 5: I hired a trailer to collect it and then I
Speaker 5: heard a trailer to take it back because it was
Speaker 5: a decent sized amount of gear. But I you know,
Speaker 5: I would go from time to time, for example what
Speaker 5: I hire last time, like a cherry picker for example,
Speaker 5: to do some access, some high access. So actually I'll
Speaker 5: try over the break, I will sit down and write
Speaker 5: and try and figure out how many times a year
Speaker 5: i'd go on high gear. But few, as you know,
Speaker 5: if you're reasy, if you're working around the house, how
Speaker 5: often would you go to a higher center and hire
Speaker 5: some equipment? Take them through? Nine two, nine and two
Speaker 5: back with your call straight afternoons Sport and weather top
Speaker 5: of the rat eight. So while we're at at folks
Speaker 5: and you're tuned in listening to the show, and you're
Speaker 5: out doing your bits and pieces as people do. My
Speaker 5: survey this morning on the show, and we'll run this
Speaker 5: through a little about eight thirty or thereabouts is how
Speaker 5: many times a year do you go on higher equipment?
Speaker 5: And I'm just kind of curious, and I guess I'm
Speaker 5: expecting that most of you who are tuned in are
Speaker 5: not necessarily trades people, so you're a homeowner. And to
Speaker 5: be fair, I was wandering around today and I was thinking, actually,
Speaker 5: you know what I feel like doing water blasting? Nothing
Speaker 5: like upsetting the neighbors on a Sunday with a bit
Speaker 5: of water blasting, and I might go and do that.
Speaker 5: So for my situation, I happen to own a water blaster,
Speaker 5: so I don't need to go on hire one. But
Speaker 5: if you had the inclination to do some water blasting,
Speaker 5: would you go and hire one? Or do you have one?
Speaker 5: Or if you needed to help him make to shift
Speaker 5: a fridge like I did this week, do you have
Speaker 5: your own trailer or would you go and hire one?
Speaker 5: You decide you want to cut down a tree, do
Speaker 5: you have your own chainsaw? Or would you prefer to
Speaker 5: ruin somebody else's and go and hire one? So just
Speaker 5: text me a number how many times a year roughly
Speaker 5: would you go and hire equipment? I'd be fascinated to know. Oh,
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Good day, Pete wolf Camp here,
Speaker 5: this is the resident builder on Sunday, and we're talking
Speaker 5: all things building and construction. The lines are open. The
Speaker 5: number to call eight hundred eighty ten eighty and I've
Speaker 5: got to be news coming up for you in just
Speaker 5: a moment. Two and good morning, thanks for waiting.
Speaker 8: Good morning, hi, Patter. So good situation is I have
Speaker 8: a new build, it's eleven months old, and you know
Speaker 8: the extraction event that you have in the ceiling of
Speaker 8: your bathroom to take out the moist air. Yes, yep,
Speaker 8: I have one of those also in say like a
Speaker 8: cupboard where a washing machine is located. My situation is
Speaker 8: over winter, I had moisture trickly in through the event
Speaker 8: into the house, through the event in this cupboard area.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 8: Should that happen?
Speaker 5: Interestingly enough, I have encountered it only I think on
Speaker 5: one occasion where, again a new build, after a period
Speaker 5: of time, the homeowner got back in touch and said, hey, look,
Speaker 5: I've noticed that I've got connensation coming out or moisture
Speaker 5: coming out. And so as a contractor, you immediately think shivers.
Speaker 5: Is there a pipe that's leaked and it happens to
Speaker 5: be dripping into there and coming out. It is more
Speaker 5: likely to be condensation that's collecting in the pipe and
Speaker 5: then draining backwards and dropping out through the extraction and
Speaker 5: into that area. The fact that it happens in two locations,
Speaker 5: because it's not particularly common, so.
Speaker 8: It's one one one of these.
Speaker 6: Only one of the only one of them.
Speaker 5: Does okay, I suspect that it's condensation that's there. It
Speaker 5: could be that the where's the comment? Do you think
Speaker 5: that there's any possibility that moisture is being driven in
Speaker 5: from the outlet of the extraction in to the to
Speaker 5: the ducting.
Speaker 8: To the designer of the house earlier in the week,
Speaker 8: and he suggested that it could be not installed properly
Speaker 8: because he said to me, it shouldn't you shouldn't have
Speaker 8: this moisture coming into the house. It was the middle
Speaker 8: of winter as well, and there's very high humidity where
Speaker 8: I live in the middle of winter outside.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, it's possible that during the extraction process, right,
Speaker 5: so you've got that moisture that you're extracting out, it's
Speaker 5: obviously laden with moisture, and so when you turn it.
Speaker 8: Actually, sorry, I had this put in looking ahead in
Speaker 8: case I ever put a dry as here. But there's
Speaker 8: a washing machine there, but it always runs on cooler temperature,
Speaker 8: and it's I don't believe it's a moist environment at
Speaker 8: all apart from a washing machine. Does operation there?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Now the extraction point that you're discussing, does it
Speaker 5: have mechanical extraction attached to it?
Speaker 8: Yes, you flick a switch in the sand goes like
Speaker 8: in a bassroom.
Speaker 5: Right, okay. And is it on the water on the ceiling.
Speaker 8: It's on the ceiling, okay.
Speaker 5: So it's purely extraction for moisture for air, rather than
Speaker 5: it's not ducting for the dryer to duct the dryer dryer.
Speaker 5: I think it's most likely to be condensation that's collecting
Speaker 5: and deducting and then draining backwards right and drop it
Speaker 5: back out again. I mean that's how much water comes
Speaker 5: out or how much moisture you.
Speaker 8: During this particular period of time, it was trickling out
Speaker 8: over number of days. At one point, I just after
Speaker 8: it had been emptied out, I got up there and
Speaker 8: I tuned a little captain, and I took out I
Speaker 8: think about sixty mil And the next day more was
Speaker 8: tricking now, so.
Speaker 5: This is moisture that's trickling out of Like typically there's
Speaker 5: a grill that sits on the ceiling, so you're removing
Speaker 5: that grill and water is draining out from there.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a little round dome sing it's actually got
Speaker 8: a channel around the outside that presumably maybe there's capture
Speaker 8: some moisture and that was just full and overflowing.
Speaker 5: H Okay, I'll tell you what. I may need to
Speaker 5: go and chat with an expert, And as it happens,
Speaker 5: we've got one of those sort of on tap, which
Speaker 5: is a storm who has been a guest on the
Speaker 5: show who's basically an extraction and ventilation expert. So I'll
Speaker 5: give her a call during the week and put that
Speaker 5: to her. I think it'll be condensation, but it's still
Speaker 5: a little bit unusual for that amount, like sixty mils
Speaker 5: is not an inconsiderable amount of condensation to accumulate in
Speaker 5: the ducting and be coming backwards. Given so and from
Speaker 5: the inlet, So inside your laundry where the stuckt is
Speaker 5: to the outside, what's the distance of that run.
Speaker 8: Approximately approximately four meters, no more than four and a half.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, so it's unlikely to be driving back in
Speaker 5: from outside and outside the grill that's been attached to
Speaker 5: the outlet, is that one of the ones that has
Speaker 5: a little flap on it, so that when air is
Speaker 5: pushing out, the flaps rise and allows their to go out,
Speaker 5: and then when you turn it off, the flaps drop
Speaker 5: down like a louver and seal the entry.
Speaker 8: Okay, that's a good question. It's got a little hood
Speaker 8: thing on the outside of the house, and I haven't
Speaker 8: seen up inside the hood.
Speaker 5: So okay, that would be interesting to know too, because
Speaker 5: I think to get compliance these days you need the
Speaker 5: hood which stops air basically outside air pushing back in
Speaker 5: to the house. But then most of them also have
Speaker 5: it's either three or four little louver blades or flaps
Speaker 5: on them that drop back down and seal the extraction
Speaker 5: when it's not used, and then as soon as you
Speaker 5: turn it on, the air pressure from the fan pushes
Speaker 5: those open and it allows air to escape. But when
Speaker 5: it's not running, they should close down again, So that
Speaker 5: might be a contributing factor. But look, I've written myself
Speaker 5: a note, so stay tuned next week and I'll make
Speaker 5: sure I raise this again.
Speaker 8: Now build. Does a builder have to rectify things like
Speaker 8: this within a certain time period.
Speaker 5: I think it's not unreasonable for you to say, hey, look,
Speaker 5: this shouldn't be happening. Therefore, I'd like you to come
Speaker 5: and find a solution. And chances are the main contractor
Speaker 5: will say that it's the electrician's fault. The electrician will
Speaker 5: say that it's the plumber's fault. The plumber will say
Speaker 5: that it's the builder's fault. The builder will say that
Speaker 5: it's the manufacturer's fault. The manufacturer will say that the
Speaker 5: electrician didn't install it directly. And you know, maybe one
Speaker 5: day someone will come and fix it. Someone has ticked
Speaker 5: through and see, you know, ideally, well, like deducting ultimately
Speaker 5: will run uphill to some degree because if it's in
Speaker 5: the ceiling, it will go up and then it will
Speaker 5: go over. So there's always going to be a point
Speaker 5: at which the extraction rises. But it's again and that's
Speaker 5: you know, like that bend. So is it a two
Speaker 5: story house or single story house? No, it's single story,
Speaker 5: single story. So the fan is mounted in the ceiling space,
Speaker 5: so you could get access to that, okay, because it
Speaker 5: may well be like often with ducting, we assume that
Speaker 5: it has some sort of magical power, right, And I've
Speaker 5: seen all sorts of ducting installed with twists and bends
Speaker 5: and crushed and all the rest of it. So ducting
Speaker 5: needs to be installed properly in order for these systems
Speaker 5: to work. And in fact, I had this discussion with
Speaker 5: a guy on Friday who came round to talk about
Speaker 5: extraction actually on a project, and because I've got an
Speaker 5: issue where I'm not getting sufficient extraction out of a bathroom.
Speaker 5: So I've now this company of Simmics have just released
Speaker 5: a brand new type of extraction which has a moisture
Speaker 5: or a humidity sensor in it, so it knows when
Speaker 5: it needs to turn on and how much it needs
Speaker 5: to turn on. So it's a smart, very smart system.
Speaker 5: So I'm about to install that in a project where
Speaker 5: I've had a persistent issue with moisture in a bathroom.
Speaker 5: And we were talking exactly about the need to get
Speaker 5: your ducting right. You know that sweeping ben straight runs,
Speaker 5: not crushing at all, those sorts of things, So it
Speaker 5: might be worth getting someone to go into the ceiling
Speaker 5: and just have a look at how that ducting has
Speaker 5: been installed as well, just to make sure that it's
Speaker 5: done to the manufacturer's requirements to ensure that it's going
Speaker 5: to work properly. So there's a bit of complexity around it. Okay,
Speaker 5: I'll stay in touch, so tune in next week and
Speaker 5: I'll make sure I have a chat with Storm about this.
Speaker 4: Much.
Speaker 5: All the best, Bye by Ride. Oh Michael, good morning
Speaker 5: to you.
Speaker 6: Oh, good morning, Peter.
Speaker 12: Hey, what I wring about this. I've got a house
Speaker 12: at christ Church, YEP, which I'm in the process of
Speaker 12: I'm moving out of and I'm going to rent it out.
Speaker 12: I've got attached garage, attach single garage, and it's got
Speaker 12: a stipple ceiling and I've had a test it and
Speaker 12: it's positive business. And I want to replace that ceiling anyways,
Speaker 12: because it's got a whole in one quarter. So yes,
Speaker 12: that's pretty pretty clear cautity to do that. While i've
Speaker 12: got it, I've had a look. I've still got about
Speaker 12: thirty square meters of rooms in the house. There's a
Speaker 12: small bedroom, a bathroom, and a laundry and a toilet.
Speaker 12: But I've still got stifle stiple ceilings. They weren't they
Speaker 12: weren't repaired after the earthquake because they were rooms that
Speaker 12: had absolutely no damage in it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 12: The rest of the house was where the stifle ceilings
Speaker 12: were got rid of. And now I'm wondering that. I've
Speaker 12: had three contractors look at the job. All of them
Speaker 12: say the same thing. The ceiling, these stiple ceilings in
Speaker 12: these three rooms are in very very good order. I
Speaker 12: mean there's no you know, there's nothing broken. And they say,
Speaker 12: you don't need to do that, but you can. You
Speaker 12: can because how it's going to be in so I
Speaker 12: can't do it. But it's just the face. There will
Speaker 12: be a bit of damage to the walls when they
Speaker 12: because they'll drop the ceiling out, you see, they won't
Speaker 12: scrape it off.
Speaker 5: Yep, yep.
Speaker 12: What I'm wondering is how how critical well, no, not
Speaker 12: so critical. Do you think it's a good idea? Do
Speaker 12: I do rip the stiffle seeing out rather than leave
Speaker 12: it there? Even though it said good order? I mean
Speaker 12: there's no say, there's no cracks or anything. A three
Speaker 12: separate contract there's all said, there's no need to do it.
Speaker 12: I mean you're putting tendency here. Nobody's going to yeah, nobody, Yeah,
Speaker 12: what what would your attitude be on that?
Speaker 5: Look? I guess if you're taking the approach as a
Speaker 5: as an investor or as a landlord, you're looking at
Speaker 5: return on investment, right, So if you go ahead and
Speaker 5: spend whatever a couple of several thousand dollars in pulling
Speaker 5: the ceilings down, you just.
Speaker 12: Will probably probably looking at close I'd say you're probably
Speaker 12: looking about fifteen thousand dollars by the place you've by
Speaker 12: the time you've replaced.
Speaker 5: And because we've got two different issues, haven't we. We got
Speaker 5: one where you've got asbestos, so it's in your interest
Speaker 5: to remove that. That's a good thing to do. The
Speaker 5: other thing, then, is okay, I've got a similar ceiling
Speaker 5: which kind of dates the house in another part of
Speaker 5: the house. So I guess I would look at it
Speaker 5: as an investor and go, okay, I'm going to spend
Speaker 5: this amount of money. Am I going to either get
Speaker 5: a return on my investment by getting slightly better rent
Speaker 5: for the property? Or am I increasing the value of
Speaker 5: the house so that when I inevitably go to sell it,
Speaker 5: it makes it more saleable and I'll get a return
Speaker 5: on my investment. Then, And if those numbers stack up,
Speaker 5: then do it. Because from a practical point, of view,
Speaker 5: the ceiling's in good condition, it's not leaking, it's not
Speaker 5: falling down. Those sorts of things. There's actually no reason
Speaker 5: to do it. The only reason you would do it
Speaker 5: is is it going to increase the value of my asset.
Speaker 5: That's how I would.
Speaker 12: Say it probably could do them, but it couldn't it here, Yeah,
Speaker 12: because there's no there's no oblique I mean, no ten's
Speaker 12: going to come in here and say something wrong with
Speaker 12: that ceiling sort of thing. You wouldn't even.
Speaker 5: So I'm saying that, you know, purely, I guess from
Speaker 5: an investment point of view. I'm not thinking about it
Speaker 5: in terms of aesthetics or anything like that. Yes, a
Speaker 5: nice flat, new ceiling would look lovely. Does it? Does
Speaker 5: it get you an extra dollar and rent? And to
Speaker 5: be fair, if it doesn't, then you kind of go,
Speaker 5: why would.
Speaker 13: You do it?
Speaker 12: Rue it's not going to make any extra Yeah, because
Speaker 12: it's not going to make any difference to it that
Speaker 12: tended Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5: But saying that, you you know, inevitably we end up
Speaker 5: selling these sorts of places. So do you go, Actually,
Speaker 5: if I do it now and I put the property
Speaker 5: on the market in a couple of years, time, five
Speaker 5: years time, whenever. And it's presented like that, is it
Speaker 5: going to be more attractive to a buyer, and I
Speaker 5: can do it now and offset some of the costs,
Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera, then maybe it makes sense. But
Speaker 5: to me it would just be you do the numbers
Speaker 5: and if the numbers point you in that direction, you
Speaker 5: go for it.
Speaker 12: Yeah, good luck at the value eventually.
Speaker 5: Then then maybe it's worth investing in all the rest you, Michael,
Speaker 5: take care, We'll take short break. We'll be back with
Speaker 5: Martin in just a moment. You and new Still said
Speaker 5: b twenty five minutes after seven, and Martin a very
Speaker 5: good morning to you.
Speaker 6: Good morning, Peter, thanks to this opportunity.
Speaker 11: Peter.
Speaker 6: I'm reclatting my house and cedar shingles yellow Canadian cedar shingles,
Speaker 6: and we ordered these or group we've got these four
Speaker 6: years ago and now there's only red singer shows yes,
Speaker 6: and I'm six bundle sport. Oh cunning ideas or anybody.
Speaker 6: I've been on marketplace and trade men can't find anyon.
Speaker 6: Wonder if anybody or you might know how I might
Speaker 6: find some seedar shingles short of a three month delivery
Speaker 6: ordered out of Canada.
Speaker 5: Ah, okay, so you've obviously gone back to the original supplier. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I have to say, just between you and I don't
Speaker 5: actually like yellow cedar shingles. But that's a terrible thing
Speaker 5: to say, given that you've chosen to use it on
Speaker 5: the clouding. My preference has always been for the red ones.
Speaker 5: But saying that I have installed them, and I I,
Speaker 5: are you doing shingles as cladding or as roofing, planting, platting,
Speaker 5: all extensively or just sort of as a detail thing.
Speaker 6: No, extensively right around and we're we've put on a
Speaker 6: little extension. I did that and then did half of
Speaker 6: the house. Now I'm doing the other half of the
Speaker 6: house to match it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I was always going to do, but financially I just
Speaker 6: held off for a few years. And there I've got
Speaker 6: myself in this situation.
Speaker 5: Just a technical thing then in order to do see
Speaker 5: the shingles, obviously they're fixed to a substrate. So the
Speaker 5: plywood is the plywood on a cavity or is the
Speaker 5: plywood direct fixed to the framing.
Speaker 6: It's it's fixed to a the framing with with new
Speaker 6: you know, new paper and ply Yep, some of it
Speaker 6: some of the claarly we've taken the old clay was
Speaker 6: taken off, yes, which is fiber plank called aigdi plank,
Speaker 6: called ever it's called. That's taken off and you know, repaved, applied,
Speaker 6: and the shingles going over the top of that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, So the dilemmas you need six bundles of shingles.
Speaker 5: How many square meters in a bundle? Roughly, It's been
Speaker 5: a while since I've.
Speaker 2: Put some up.
Speaker 6: I think about three and a half.
Speaker 5: I was going to say it's about three. Feels like
Speaker 5: a yeah, yeah, I say, I do.
Speaker 9: I know.
Speaker 5: I made the comment about the color sleeping. I love
Speaker 5: doing shingles, and one of the happiest jobs I did
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago was replacing the shingles over
Speaker 5: an eyebrow on an old villa on a bay window,
Speaker 5: and often the center window has a little eyebrow, a
Speaker 5: little awning over the top of it, right, which is
Speaker 5: kind of ornamental. And then it's got the original Cali shingles,
Speaker 5: which were all ripped down so though they were exactly
Speaker 5: the same width, and then mited or basically they had
Speaker 5: like an arrowhead on them, a point on them. So
Speaker 5: when I replace those, I grab some new cedar shingles,
Speaker 5: rip them all down to the same size, cut them
Speaker 5: all so that they had the arrowhead on it, and
Speaker 5: reinstated it. And I mean, and I've done quite a
Speaker 5: on bungalows and that, you know, bay windows where your
Speaker 5: cedar underneath the window or a gable end for example. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I really do love doing them. I can understand where
Speaker 5: you're going for cedar shingles on the outside sounds great. Look,
Speaker 5: I tell you what best betters, go back to Hope
Speaker 5: my producer. Leave your number. If someone texts in and goes,
Speaker 5: actually I've got six bales of yellow cedar shingles and
Speaker 5: I can do you a deal, then that's great. Otherwise,
Speaker 5: I think unless you've rung around, you've probably gone to
Speaker 5: South Pacific, You've gone to Hernpack, You've gone to a
Speaker 5: couple of the other big suppliers. If they've have you
Speaker 5: tried South Pacific.
Speaker 6: Timber in Auckland, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's who I typically buy shingles from. Hern Pack.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, rosen Felt and Kitsen Yes, yeah, okay, you've
Speaker 5: had all the places that I would if someone happens
Speaker 5: to have sex bundles. They can contact Martin, leave you
Speaker 5: number with hope we'll see what happens.
Speaker 6: I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Otherwise three months it'll still be summer. So don't worry
Speaker 5: about that. Take care. Oh what a dilemma. Look, it happens,
Speaker 5: you know, and inevitably you are either over order under order.
Speaker 5: It is a real skill to get just the right quantity,
Speaker 5: So I'm not giving them a hard time for that.
Speaker 5: A couple of texts that are come in with regard
Speaker 5: to the condensation, So this is the whole issue of
Speaker 5: moisture dripping out, So condensation dripping out of the ceiling
Speaker 5: vent pipe, so it's extraction from a laundry area and
Speaker 5: a bit of moisture drops out. So it seems like
Speaker 5: the consensus from people is pretty much along the lines
Speaker 5: of deducting has been maybe not quite correctly installed. It's
Speaker 5: too much of it, as going uphill the fan might
Speaker 5: be a bit underspect in terms of it's not pushing
Speaker 5: the moisture out. I always think that fans should be
Speaker 5: set to a timer which keeps them running for a
Speaker 5: period of time after you've actually turned them off, just
Speaker 5: to continue to do the extraction. And like the one
Speaker 5: that I picked up on Friday. This is the Simix
Speaker 5: one that I picked up. I'm going to test out.
Speaker 5: It has a humidity sensor on it, so it will
Speaker 5: continue to run when it senses that it needs to
Speaker 5: run and when it's not required in terms of registering
Speaker 5: the humidity in the room, it will continue to run
Speaker 5: essentially continuously at a very low level so that there's
Speaker 5: always airflow in the room. So it'll be interesting to
Speaker 5: see if that deals with this issue in a particular bathroom.
Speaker 5: Seven thirty one. Do we need to take a break?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Where are no?
Speaker 5: Not yet? Yes, we do. Hang on, Mary, I'll be
Speaker 5: with you in just a moment. Just a couple of
Speaker 5: quick texts that have come in with regard to Michael's
Speaker 5: comments about replacing the ceiling. So this is an existing
Speaker 5: building that's about to become a rental, but isn't one
Speaker 5: right now, And that's an important point. One of the
Speaker 5: ceilings that was tested contains asbestos the material ACM, and
Speaker 5: so they've decided that they're going to remove that. The
Speaker 5: other ceilings look similar but are not don't contain any
Speaker 5: asbestos material in them, so there's no requirement or there's
Speaker 5: no urgent need to replace those. So the question was,
Speaker 5: look do I do it? And I, in that discussion said, well,
Speaker 5: I guess there's the potential for deductibility and someone has
Speaker 5: TechEd through it quite rightly. Hey Pete, but concerned that
Speaker 5: you suggested that fixing the ceilings of a potential rental
Speaker 5: would be deductible. From a tax perspective, that would be
Speaker 5: a capital expense. Deductibility can be a complex matter, but
Speaker 5: in essence, the property has to be rented first in
Speaker 5: order to claim against income is done prior to being rented,
Speaker 5: then the cost is a capital one suggests you stick
Speaker 5: to your knitting. Thank you very much for the text. No,
Speaker 5: I appreciate it, and I'm not suggesting that it's not.
Speaker 5: He would need to make sure that he followed the regulations.
Speaker 5: If there is some opportunity for deductibility, then you've got
Speaker 5: to have the right conditions, and one of those is
Speaker 5: that the property has to be are rental rather than
Speaker 5: becoming a rental. So thanks very much for your texts.
Speaker 5: I appreciate that someone's also calling me a hypocrite because
Speaker 5: I'm someone who detests people mowing their lawns on Sunday.
Speaker 5: The test might be a bit of a strong word,
Speaker 5: but you're going to be doing the water blasting on Sunday.
Speaker 5: Water blasting motor mowing. Not really the same thing. Not
Speaker 5: quite as noisy, not quite as that piercing sound. Actually,
Speaker 5: speaking about piercing sounds, here's a good teach email from Dave. Hey, Pete,
Speaker 5: can you give me the rules around the installation of
Speaker 5: a heat pump. Our neighbors have installed one and we
Speaker 5: can hear it throughout the house and outside on our deck.
Speaker 5: The houses are close together. This is modern living. The
Speaker 5: offending pump is about two and a half meters from
Speaker 5: our boundary and goes on for about twelve hours a day.
Speaker 5: Not sure if it hears the sound or their pool.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure what that is. Surely there must be
Speaker 5: rules about how much noise they can make. They say
Speaker 5: they don't see it as a problem. Thanks from Dave. Dave,
Speaker 5: I don't know if there are any specific rules. I
Speaker 5: would imagine that if the heat pump, the outdoor unit,
Speaker 5: was located on the boundary, you'd probably have a concern.
Speaker 5: Two and a half meters from the boundary. Do you
Speaker 5: have a right to say, hey, look, it's a bit annoying.
Speaker 5: I mean they can be noisy. I don't know if
Speaker 5: you know the answers to that. See me a text.
Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
Speaker 5: to call Mary? Good morning?
Speaker 14: Yes hi? Now is it Peter or Peter?
Speaker 5: I don't mind. To be fair, let's stick with Pete.
Speaker 14: Okay, Well, I've got my Peter tucked up in bed still.
Speaker 12: All right?
Speaker 5: You leave them there and you chat away to me.
Speaker 14: Yes, well, our property six hundred and seventy five square meters.
Speaker 14: So we keep getting developers popping notes and you know,
Speaker 14: to buy the place, and we've been told they could.
Speaker 14: When they take it, they would pull our house down
Speaker 14: and put up for two or three story units whatever.
Speaker 14: Now I'm wondering, is it feasible for us to try
Speaker 14: and do that ourselves, perhaps, you know, get someone take
Speaker 14: the house away and then go and rent a property ourselves,
Speaker 14: and get someone to come and build the four places
Speaker 14: for us and on sell them. We'd have to get
Speaker 14: a mortgage on the property. Would that be feasible or
Speaker 14: would it cost too much?
Speaker 5: I guess it's feasible, but you would have to You've
Speaker 5: got to do your numbers, and you know, with the
Speaker 5: greatest respect, I've seen any number of sort of first
Speaker 5: time developers come a cropper in a massive way, right,
Speaker 5: you know, where they didn't get their numbers, or they're
Speaker 5: they're trying to do the project management themselves and they
Speaker 5: can't keep it control of the budget or the progress.
Speaker 5: They run into unexpected, you know, like if it's the
Speaker 5: successful developers that I know are obviously extremely experienced, right,
Speaker 5: so they can look at a site, they can figure
Speaker 5: out planning regulations, storewater regulations, resource consent, They've got their
Speaker 5: contractors lined up, they know what type of building methodology
Speaker 5: is cost effective. So if you have to try and
Speaker 5: learn all of that and do the development yourself, yes
Speaker 5: there is opportunity, but I would suggest that there is
Speaker 5: also significant risk.
Speaker 14: And dory I hate GJ gardener a high in places
Speaker 14: that they sound really reasonable and I thought, well, I'd
Speaker 14: just get someone to come and do it.
Speaker 5: Yes, well, that's certainly an option, and I've heard similar ads,
Speaker 5: and I know of a couple of people have done
Speaker 5: exactly that. You happen to be sitting on a piece
Speaker 5: of land that has development potential, but you would also
Speaker 5: before you even went into this, you'd need to go
Speaker 5: and get some maybe some independent planning advice as to
Speaker 5: what's feasible. You'd need to get someone to check things like,
Speaker 5: you know, accessibility to services. And again, you know, one
Speaker 5: of the risks of development is along the lines of Okay,
Speaker 5: I want to do it, but then council's going to
Speaker 5: require an upgrade to the wastewater system, for example, and
Speaker 5: suddenly I'm responsible for upgrading a council line, or I'm
Speaker 5: going to bridge over an existing line, or you know,
Speaker 5: even the cost of adding more water meters. You know,
Speaker 5: ten twelve years ago a water meter was about eighteen
Speaker 5: hundred dollars. Today in Auckland anyway, last time, well the
Speaker 5: last one that I was aware of, they are about
Speaker 5: fifteen thousand dollars per water meter. So you know, all
Speaker 5: of these things you've got to look at costs. And
Speaker 5: at the moment, all of the discussion among the developers
Speaker 5: is basically, we can't build houses for less than we
Speaker 5: can buy them, so people are not buying and the
Speaker 5: development thing has just falling off a cliff. Now it's
Speaker 5: coming back slowly, but for the last eighteen months or so,
Speaker 5: it's just falling off a cliff.
Speaker 14: So well, we're living in a street or the road.
Speaker 14: They've got that many houses pulled down and buildings going up.
Speaker 14: It's quite busy the on and of course too, we'd
Speaker 14: have to we wouldn't really get a discount. We'd have
Speaker 14: to pay the full price on the building, wouldn't we
Speaker 14: The developers would have all at their own price, their
Speaker 14: own cost.
Speaker 5: Again, the developers, you know, they'll they'll have contacts either
Speaker 5: with merchants or with suppliers, and you know they'll know
Speaker 5: where to go to get the best cost out that
Speaker 5: sort of thing. Yeah, all of that.
Speaker 14: So look, the many other things I had thought of
Speaker 14: then is quite often we've had land agents come around
Speaker 14: and they said, oh, look at that back that should
Speaker 14: be gone, and I realized we could perhaps sell hat,
Speaker 14: you know, across these the back section, but I'm not
Speaker 14: quite sure of the width on the side of the
Speaker 14: house where they'd have to come up, although the land
Speaker 14: agents have never questioned it. They've just looked out the
Speaker 14: back and said, oh, wow, you've got all that, So
Speaker 14: maybe that'd be.
Speaker 5: Tell you it's a gold plated opportunity in order to
Speaker 5: get the listing. So just that, I think that the
Speaker 5: most challenging thing for you will be finding someone to
Speaker 5: give you independent advice on us.
Speaker 14: And someone I look to to.
Speaker 5: Talk to, maybe a local planner. I mean, look by
Speaker 5: all the means, you know, I have an engagement with
Speaker 5: the company. I suppose. The hard thing is like anyone
Speaker 5: that you you talk to who is involved in the
Speaker 5: in the development game is going to want to encourage
Speaker 5: you to partner with them, right, So it's that independent
Speaker 5: advice is going to be the most challenging thing to get. Look,
Speaker 5: I'm not sure that I'm going to give you much
Speaker 5: more information and advice apart from great opportunity be.
Speaker 14: Cautious, yes, when that has in help anyway, Lovely, Mary.
Speaker 5: My pleasure, all the very best, Take care then, Hey, Nick,
Speaker 5: good morning, how are you?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 5: Good things good?
Speaker 9: Hey. Look, I'm thinking of purchasing a property and just
Speaker 9: in the process of doing my due diligence. Believe it's
Speaker 9: got the I guess monolithic clouding. It's going to fiberc
Speaker 9: ent board, what looks like textured stack directly, yes, DirectX ye.
Speaker 9: Just looking to get a little bit of advice in
Speaker 9: what to lookout for. I know it's got the overhanging eves.
Speaker 9: There seems to be good air floor around it. It's
Speaker 9: been painted regularly as far as I can tell. But
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm going to be getting a builder building
Speaker 9: inspection done on it, moisture test and all that sort
Speaker 9: of thing. But just is there any other science symptoms
Speaker 9: to look out for?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Again, I think the fact that even you're going
Speaker 5: to engage with hopefully a licensed professional, suitably qualified and
Speaker 5: experience to determine whether or not there's any moisture in
Speaker 5: gress issues is the best advice I could give you.
Speaker 5: So I think if your head down it. But you
Speaker 5: know what, we there's been a lot of discussion around
Speaker 5: the quality of pre purchased inspections. So make sure that
Speaker 5: the person that you're contracting to do the work is
Speaker 5: suitably qualified. You know, there are standards. There is a
Speaker 5: New Zealand standard for pre purchase inspections. Make sure the
Speaker 5: person has got some qualification, that they've got insurance in
Speaker 5: place so that if their advice is not that great
Speaker 5: that you know, they could cover themselves for that. So yeah,
Speaker 5: look again these Yeah, the one thing we know about
Speaker 5: these systems is they have been the source of enormous
Speaker 5: issues in terms of weather tightness. So I think if
Speaker 5: you told me ten different platting types and then you
Speaker 5: describe that one. I'd go, that's the one to be
Speaker 5: most cautious about, saying that. I also know systems that
Speaker 5: were installed twenty years ago that perform absolutely perfectly fine.
Speaker 5: So I'm also not making the assumption that every type
Speaker 5: of house with that building methodology or that clouding system
Speaker 5: will fail, but we do know lots that did so,
Speaker 5: and making sure you get really good sound advice from
Speaker 5: an experienced person is the way to go.
Speaker 9: That's great. Any ideas of any names out there that.
Speaker 5: Look if you you know, if you want to be
Speaker 5: absolutely sure, then if you go to the New Zealand
Speaker 5: Institute of Building Surveyors website. So registered building surveyors have
Speaker 5: a whole different qualification to them. They will have people
Speaker 5: that conduct pre purchase inspections. If they're a member of
Speaker 5: that organization, you can be pretty confident about their ability. Awesome,
Speaker 5: take care, good luck, all the best. Bye. By then
Speaker 5: I'm going to take short break, me back and just
Speaker 5: you and New Stork. Se'd be a little bit of
Speaker 5: an update for you as well. Are we project or
Speaker 5: actually not that we reasonably significant project that I've been
Speaker 5: working on the last couple of months or the team
Speaker 5: have been working on is to create some online content,
Speaker 5: to create some video content. So as of now, there
Speaker 5: is a resident Builder YouTube channel, which over time will
Speaker 5: be populated with a whole bunch of videos, including things
Speaker 5: about building consents, schedule, one of the act, working with
Speaker 5: trades people, code of ethics, and so on, and over
Speaker 5: time I'll populate it more and more so on YouTube
Speaker 5: these days, if you search for resident Builder, you should
Speaker 5: find it there. You can also go to just my
Speaker 5: Facebook page, so resident Builder, there's a link there. The
Speaker 5: first couple of sort of teaser videos will be uploaded shortly,
Speaker 5: but there should be a lot of content coming up
Speaker 5: over time on that particular platform as well. And I'll
Speaker 5: let you know. We talk about insulation, and we talk
Speaker 5: about compliance and inspections and those sorts of things. So
Speaker 5: they as they emerge, I will talk to you about them.
Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
Speaker 5: to call Lynette.
Speaker 13: Hello, Oh my goodness, thanks Quicks, thank you, good morning.
Speaker 5: Mucking around on this show.
Speaker 13: Just as well, I'm just ringing. I'm going thinking of
Speaker 13: going into a villag yes, you know, a retirement village.
Speaker 13: Now it's up north round about the towerong I won't
Speaker 13: mention any names. It's round about the Towerong Away and
Speaker 13: it's sort of not near the coast. Now they've sent
Speaker 13: me a plan and everything, but my family keeps going
Speaker 13: on and asking me, I'm just about to sign the
Speaker 13: contract and you only have to put if you only
Speaker 13: have to put one thousand dollars down and you can
Speaker 13: get a refund anyway. Our family keep going on, what
Speaker 13: is it made of?
Speaker 11: What is it this?
Speaker 13: And what is it that? And when is it going
Speaker 13: to be built? You know, when is it going to
Speaker 13: be ready to be occupied?
Speaker 15: All this stuff?
Speaker 13: So I wanted to know what I should be asking them,
Speaker 13: if I should be asking them for a plan that
Speaker 13: they submit to the council on all the materials and
Speaker 13: everything that are going to be used, and what sort
Speaker 13: of heating and everything. Is there a plan that they
Speaker 13: submit to the council.
Speaker 5: Oh, undoubtedly it will require a building consent. Can I
Speaker 5: just say, Annie, I think that I mean this is
Speaker 5: sort of I'm a little bit familiar with it because
Speaker 5: my mum lives in a retirement village right and has
Speaker 5: done for the last ten years. So well, Mum's next
Speaker 5: birthday she'll be ninety two, so you know, oh well.
Speaker 13: I'm eighty two, so that's springhee.
Speaker 11: It'll be you know, so.
Speaker 13: That if I go into one now, a lit'll b
Speaker 13: be about the same thing I'll have got will be
Speaker 13: there for the.
Speaker 5: Next twenty years. Look, I tell you what I think,
Speaker 5: you know, in terms of the construction and that sort
Speaker 5: of thing. You know, the big operators, they're building for
Speaker 5: the long term, right, so durability of their buildings is
Speaker 5: kind of it's their issue, not yours, because remember, what
Speaker 5: you're purchasing is a license to occupy. You're not going
Speaker 5: to be responsible for the maintenance and for the upkeep
Speaker 5: and those sorts of things. So in part, it's sort
Speaker 5: of irrelevant in a sense for you to go.
Speaker 4: Into all of that detail.
Speaker 5: Like if there's an issue with the exterior cladding, you're
Speaker 5: not the one out there painting it. They are, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean. So I think, look, it is
Speaker 5: advisable for you to get your own independent legal advice
Speaker 5: before signing these contracts. And I've heard that from a
Speaker 5: number of lawyers over the years, is that you know,
Speaker 5: just to make sure that you know what's coming up,
Speaker 5: that you know what happens when you are no longer
Speaker 5: occupying the building, because that varies from provider to provide it.
Speaker 5: So it's it's more a legal question than a building one.
Speaker 5: I feel.
Speaker 13: Right the price of eight hundred and sixty, I suppose
Speaker 13: that's reasonable anyway.
Speaker 5: It's much of the discussion at the moment is around
Speaker 5: what happens when you don't occupy. You know, when you've
Speaker 5: finished with the occupation of the building. You know, some
Speaker 5: of them allow for capital gains, some don't have high
Speaker 5: fees at the end, et cetera, et cetera. But those
Speaker 5: are their their legal issues, and I suggest that you
Speaker 5: do get independent legal advice. Like with any contract, make
Speaker 5: sure that somebody who knows what they're looking at looks
Speaker 5: over it. I would do exactly the same thing, and
Speaker 5: certainly we did when our parents looked at moving in.
Speaker 13: So yes, yes, you know that that goes I did
Speaker 13: ask them, because they have they have the their place,
Speaker 13: they have you get the full capital gain if you
Speaker 13: leave the place. But of course if they might want
Speaker 13: to do a refurbish, that's the thing, mightn't they Then.
Speaker 5: You need to look at what those fees are and
Speaker 5: those sorts of things you know, so independent legal advice.
Speaker 5: Talk to your lawyer, have them locked through it for you,
Speaker 5: and then go ahead, and I wish you all the best.
Speaker 5: It is but it's an investment in your future, so
Speaker 5: hope it all goes well for you.
Speaker 13: Hey, thanks very much.
Speaker 5: Mike, keasure take care right, all the best bye by
Speaker 5: then oh Man got a heap of texts about Mary's issue.
Speaker 5: So sitting on six hundred and seventy five square meters
Speaker 5: potential development, including this one. Hey, Pete, low blow to
Speaker 5: the real estate agents. Hey, some of my best friends
Speaker 5: are real estate agents. I've recently been involved Da da
Speaker 5: da da da. Where is it? Where's it gone? Where's
Speaker 5: it gone?
Speaker 2: Where it's gone?
Speaker 5: I've recently been involved in the rebuild. Lots of other
Speaker 5: people are unprofessional, including all of the chippies. So don't
Speaker 5: go knocking the real estate agents. Is the gist of
Speaker 5: that one. No, I'm not knocking them. I'm just saying that,
Speaker 5: you know, in the end, if you're to get advice,
Speaker 5: you want to feel that you're getting advice from someone
Speaker 5: who doesn't have a vested interest in it. Right, that's
Speaker 5: independent advice, and maybe that's real estate agent, maybe it's
Speaker 5: a developer. Maybe it's a planner, but it's got to
Speaker 5: be independent. You've got to feel confident that it's independent.
Speaker 5: So I think that's interesting. A couple of other people
Speaker 5: have said, hey, look we we've done projects and we've
Speaker 5: used companies and they've been excellent. Other people are saying, hey, look,
Speaker 5: you know you're probably up for between four to five
Speaker 5: hundred thousand dollars worth of investment before you even get
Speaker 5: to build them. So in terms of planning, infrastructure upgrades, excavation,
Speaker 5: removal of the house and that sort of thing. So
Speaker 5: do you have access to those sorts of funds and
Speaker 5: you can you basically afford to do it and be
Speaker 5: there at the end and be confident that you're making
Speaker 5: some profit out of it. So it's an interesting one.
Speaker 5: After the break, Malcolm Fleming. I caught up with him.
Speaker 5: We're going to catch up with him after the break.
Speaker 5: He is the chief executive of Certified Builders New Zealand.
Speaker 5: When the government started talking you're a Newstalk ZB it
Speaker 5: could climb past at eight thirty. But in a moment,
Speaker 5: Malcolm Fleming z B. Malcolm Fleming, thank you very much
Speaker 5: for joining me in the studio today. I really appreciate
Speaker 5: the time that we can spend together. So just tell
Speaker 5: us about your role as chief executive Certified Builders and
Speaker 5: broadly what specified builders do within the industry.
Speaker 16: Well pleased to be here. First of all, Pete New
Speaker 16: Zealand Certified Billers. I'm the chief executive. I've been there
Speaker 16: for a little over two years now, so I have
Speaker 16: a team of a little one to twenty people and
Speaker 16: we have two offices at Torona in Wellington. So that's
Speaker 16: what we're about. In terms of New Zealand Certified Builders,
Speaker 16: we have three thousand members. It's quite a big footprint.
Speaker 16: The bulk of that is two thousand, three hundred business
Speaker 16: members and the advert size of those business operations would
Speaker 16: be four to six. We do have outliers of up
Speaker 16: to two hundred, but pretty much just for six people.
Speaker 16: The big thing with indied CB members business level would
Speaker 16: individual that they must be trade qualified in carpentry. That's
Speaker 16: how prerequisite membership, something we're really proud of. So as
Speaker 16: well as those twenty three hundred business members with a
Speaker 16: director's trade qualified was they have another four hundred and
Speaker 16: fifty individual members who trade qualified and they might be
Speaker 16: working at a merchant or a Politech and so forth,
Speaker 16: and more recently, I've got two hundred training members, which
Speaker 16: are apprentices in training they who work for NDCB business members.
Speaker 5: Okay, might talk about training and pathways forward a little
Speaker 5: bit later on. The reason I wanted to reach out
Speaker 5: is I have been absolutely fascinated and captivated by the
Speaker 5: public discourse around building and building science and code changes
Speaker 5: that's in a sense being prompted by a change of
Speaker 5: government a new minister, Chris Penk who I had the
Speaker 5: opportunity to interview a couple of weeks ago, and I
Speaker 5: suppose they've made it very clear that their intents to
Speaker 5: try and speed up building, to add efficiency and ideally
Speaker 5: to reduce cost. And so the idea that was floated
Speaker 5: is the Minister seemingly has had a discussion with people
Speaker 5: who have indicated that well, changing h one increasing the standards,
Speaker 5: which came into effect last year in November, is going
Speaker 5: to add forty to fifty thousand dollars to the cost
Speaker 5: of a house. And I guess if you're a politician,
Speaker 5: you'd look at that and go, gosh, I can save
Speaker 5: New Zealanders fifty thousand dollars on the cost of their
Speaker 5: building by rolling back H one and so that was
Speaker 5: what was put out right, that's the moot for the discussion.
Speaker 5: The response has been fascinating because a number of groups
Speaker 5: have come forward to go, hold on, we don't agree
Speaker 5: with those figures. We certainly don't agree with it. In principle.
Speaker 5: Our building code is arguably a number of generations behind
Speaker 5: similar countries around the world. And then I read with
Speaker 5: real interest that yourselves, I guess as a builders group,
Speaker 5: have come forward and said, actually we don't agree either,
Speaker 5: and more to the point, we're going to prove it.
Speaker 5: So just walk me through that response to that government
Speaker 5: discussion around let's wind back H one and it's going
Speaker 5: to cost fifty grand. Where did your numbers end up?
Speaker 16: So we did two things which the Minister is aware of.
Speaker 16: So talking to the Minister a couple of weeks before
Speaker 16: the story broke, we indicated that well, one that the
Speaker 16: NDEDCB would not be in support a reversal of H
Speaker 16: one and just picking up on your remarks, what is
Speaker 16: H one? So it's an increased insulation level, getting us
Speaker 16: closer New Zealand closer to where we should be aligned
Speaker 16: with international companies that we look up to. It should
Speaker 16: aspire to and H one's regulation. So it's not a
Speaker 16: new regulation, there's an upgrade of a regulation. And this
Speaker 16: upgrade in twentyy three was a big jump up. And
Speaker 16: we talked about at the time that when they went
Speaker 16: out with their proposals and submissions they were unundated. Is
Speaker 16: one of the largest number of submissions that they'd received
Speaker 16: in the main very positive and supportive of the change.
Speaker 16: So it's quite a big thing time. And this was
Speaker 16: talking about the anecdotal forty to fifty thousand yes number
Speaker 16: we indicated to them. We thought that was too high.
Speaker 16: We under talked to do some work with our members
Speaker 16: and survey them. So we did two things. One, we
Speaker 16: did that survey and we got about eighty responses from
Speaker 16: our members and there was a variety of size homes
Speaker 16: in there, and there's a variety of values in them.
Speaker 16: And so we looked at the data set and pulling
Speaker 16: out some outliers, like there was a six million dollar
Speaker 16: home in the set and a nine point four million
Speaker 16: dollar home in the set, taking those typical New Zealand
Speaker 16: not maybe the forty fifty thousand dollars a cost was
Speaker 16: for shape figure home. But so it came out a
Speaker 16: little bit, asked our members to deconstruct their last new
Speaker 16: built and create a value on that, and it came
Speaker 16: out just a touch over eighteen thousand dollars, and we
Speaker 16: had indicated to the Minister we're ten to twenty k
Speaker 16: adding in the outliers. It was still under nineteen thousand
Speaker 16: dollars additional, but we took that a step further. We're
Speaker 16: just developing with one of the largest architectural practices in
Speaker 16: his z own design, Grip Stable with an Elliott, the
Speaker 16: first two of what will be a suite of what
Speaker 16: we called NJEDCB Studio. So architect designed homes really smart,
Speaker 16: want them to be affordable. Sustainability a big driver of
Speaker 16: that when we're costing those up with your QS, which
Speaker 16: is a QS firm that we have a relationship with.
Speaker 16: They put us together with Matt Douda over at Ebos
Speaker 16: and they were looking for a case study for H one,
Speaker 16: so we agreed that we'd use these first two designs
Speaker 16: for to be studio. It was ninety two square meter
Speaker 16: two bedroom home and one hundred and four square meter
Speaker 16: three bedroom home as though as case studies. So we
Speaker 16: wound back the insallation requirements for those builds to the
Speaker 16: beer basics to adhere to the new H one regulation. Yep,
Speaker 16: the findings of that. But for the two bedroom home,
Speaker 16: we looked at what additional cost does each one create
Speaker 16: over in above twenty twenty three four another previous H
Speaker 16: one to the cost of these builds under the schedule method,
Speaker 16: which is often to referred to as the blunt instrument,
Speaker 16: it is. Yes, So it's looking at each elevation, looking
Speaker 16: at the floor, looking at the ceiling, each different aspect
Speaker 16: of the build and trying to get one hundred percent
Speaker 16: on each of those aspects.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 16: Using that blunt instrument approach the schedule for the two
Speaker 16: bedroom it added eleven four hundred dollars to the cost.
Speaker 16: What was really interesting then we overlaid that would it
Speaker 16: be if we use the more sophisticated calculation method, Yes,
Speaker 16: which a designer an architect can do. In this case,
Speaker 16: our architect did, and it was really interesting that for
Speaker 16: the two bedroom it became a negative value. It was
Speaker 16: thirteen hundred dollars less.
Speaker 5: It's a saving.
Speaker 16: It was a saving which is quite extraordinary. But if
Speaker 16: I go to the three bedroom example, which is one
Speaker 16: hundred and forty square meter, so it's getting more up
Speaker 16: to an average size.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's more typical, more typical.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 16: So the scheduling method, the blunt instrument, added two thousand,
Speaker 16: six hundred dollars to what it would have been under
Speaker 16: the previous H one regulation that dropped with the calculation
Speaker 16: method to an additional two thousand, one hundred and seventy
Speaker 16: nine Quite a disparate difference between forty to fifty K.
Speaker 16: So what we were pleased to do with e BOSS
Speaker 16: and your QS and design GRAPS table is actually gives
Speaker 16: some hard some data hard to the argument.
Speaker 5: Because this is sometimes the thing that goes on in
Speaker 5: building sites where you know, opinions, everyone's got them right,
Speaker 5: but they're often based on speculation and heressay and kind
Speaker 5: of a wishful thinking. Whereas what I like about so
Speaker 5: much of the public response to this has been hang on,
Speaker 5: I've done the numbers. Here's the numbers, right, and you've
Speaker 5: got very specific numbers.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: Just one of your early comments when you're talking to
Speaker 5: your members, where do they think the most expense is
Speaker 5: coming from? My understanding is, for example, that if you're
Speaker 5: going to go with joinery that's compliant with the new
Speaker 5: H one standards, the joinery is probably going to be
Speaker 5: more expensive. Would that be your number one item in
Speaker 5: terms of additional cost.
Speaker 16: Yes, it would be right. So there's quite a jump
Speaker 16: in the window requirements thermal bridging, yes, the amount of insulation,
Speaker 16: the use of low eglass YEP for example, and that's
Speaker 16: ro It's important to note that in all buildings, the
Speaker 16: greatest area of thermal transfer is outside, is through the jrawnry,
Speaker 16: through the windows, so that's the area that you've really
Speaker 16: got to strengthen them just around. Just to make the comment,
Speaker 16: those numbers that I've been talking about, even though we
Speaker 16: use insulation, we're talking about a package. We're talking about
Speaker 16: their jownery and windows in there as well. Yes. A
Speaker 16: point that I certainly made during this conversation two months
Speaker 16: or so ago, when this is quite topical, is that
Speaker 16: the H one regulations, when they change them, drove demand
Speaker 16: for increased specification in window drawnery glazing. The manufacturing sector
Speaker 16: responded by gearing up to be able to provide that.
Speaker 16: So new plant and machinery absolutely, and some of them
Speaker 16: have spend millions and not tens of millions. It's an
Speaker 16: additional capacity be able to store it low eglass has
Speaker 16: a shelf life right what we're in danger of hair
Speaker 16: which a number of us made the point of at
Speaker 16: the time in the media. If you withdraw the regulation,
Speaker 16: you take away the demand. What signal are you sending
Speaker 16: to business end z that you're going to reverse a
Speaker 16: regulation and reduce take away a demand. And we know
Speaker 16: the demand will will be taken away because in April
Speaker 16: twenty twenty three, the month before that when regulation came
Speaker 16: intoffect in May twenty twenty three, there was a peak
Speaker 16: in residential building sense people exactly.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. I guess it's more of a political question now
Speaker 5: is where do you think the Minister and mb you know,
Speaker 5: are going to go Given that they've said they want
Speaker 5: to make some changes. Are they going to make changes?
Speaker 5: Do you think they will actually go ahead and wind
Speaker 5: back each one?
Speaker 16: I give the Minister his jues. He has instructed his
Speaker 16: officials to get some QS pricing of their own. Yes,
Speaker 16: he is listening. I'm aware that he has been out
Speaker 16: to visit one of the jowry manufacturers that have geared
Speaker 16: up significantly and he's seen firsthand. He's gone out there
Speaker 16: and listen and talk to industry and starting to get
Speaker 16: the data. My view is a very is a practical man.
Speaker 16: He will listen, and I think he's got an opportunity
Speaker 16: to say I've listened to the industry, I've seen the data,
Speaker 16: and I'll make my decision on that basis.
Speaker 5: So here's my pick. I think, and for very good reason,
Speaker 5: the schedule method might just be binned, right, And that
Speaker 5: the challenge for government is that we still have a
Speaker 5: perception that, you know, building is simple, and in a
Speaker 5: sense it is, and then at the same time it's
Speaker 5: incredibly complex, right, And so there is an inherent appeal
Speaker 5: to the idea that you can get a book three
Speaker 5: six o four, you can go through, look at the
Speaker 5: different tables and build a house, and that the calculation
Speaker 5: method seems like a dark art, that no, it's indecipherable
Speaker 5: to most human beings and so on. Whereas I think
Speaker 5: the schedule method and the fact that they went and
Speaker 5: said it's R six point six in every single ceiling
Speaker 5: right across the country Kai Tiet in Vicago, that was nonsensical, right,
Speaker 5: And I don't know the thinking behind putting our six
Speaker 5: point six in when all of the evidence would say,
Speaker 5: in fact, for many areas it has little to no
Speaker 5: benefit to go that high, but it's there, and so
Speaker 5: it freaked everybody out. Trust manufacturers started doing weird stuff
Speaker 5: with big heel trusses and so on. You know, I
Speaker 5: just wonder whether the schedule method will eventually be sort
Speaker 5: of sidelined and we move everyone to the calculation method.
Speaker 5: And again, it's fascinating to see that the calculation method
Speaker 5: was very expensive for a long time and indecipherable right
Speaker 5: and accessible. I was with a guy the other day.
Speaker 5: He's offering calculation method for a modest house for about
Speaker 5: six to seven hundred dollars. Now, why wouldn't you have
Speaker 5: a more nuanced approach to designing your house for energy
Speaker 5: efficiency and that upfront cost, Well, you've quoted the figures there.
Speaker 5: Schedule method might be eleven thousand dollars. If you did
Speaker 5: the calculation method, you're saving twelve hundred bucks. Why don't
Speaker 5: we just get better at building?
Speaker 16: And think, we've only a little over a year into this.
Speaker 16: So this is one of those things that it's working
Speaker 16: our way through and it is becoming really apparent that
Speaker 16: there was a lot of benefits to the homeowner who's
Speaker 16: paying the bill to use the calculation method. And if
Speaker 16: it costs a little bit extra, and sometimes it doesn't
Speaker 16: because you're using the designer. The architect is designing a
Speaker 16: home to be able to do that for you. But
Speaker 16: even it is like you're citing a modest amount to
Speaker 16: get the work done and the payback on the capitol
Speaker 16: up front. Yeah, it's so great. Why wouldn't I do it?
Speaker 5: And you know, from your perspective and working with your members,
Speaker 5: do you think that the consumer, the people that your
Speaker 5: members are building for, the people that I used to
Speaker 5: build for, are starting to go, Actually, we're going to
Speaker 5: really appreciate living in a warm, dry, comfortable house with
Speaker 5: modern standards. Do you think that the consumer appreciation has shifted?
Speaker 16: I think there's an expectation now from the homeowner right
Speaker 16: that they are going to get into a warm, dry
Speaker 16: home and that's what they're after. They're very concerned about
Speaker 16: their power bills going forward, and so a good insulated
Speaker 16: home that meets the H one specification and beyond is
Speaker 16: going to provide those savings going forward. That is starting
Speaker 16: to really resonate with homeowners. So there's that aspect of
Speaker 16: it that is really sort of playing out. There's also
Speaker 16: their aspect, particularly as we younger people come into the
Speaker 16: home house market, sustainability in our carbon footprints are a really
Speaker 16: big driver for them. They are asking for these things. Yes,
Speaker 16: if I go back and get back in time when
Speaker 16: I had an architectural practice and I was a co
Speaker 16: director of one I'm not an architect, but I was
Speaker 16: a co director of one of they had four architects
Speaker 16: and a team of a team. There was always the
Speaker 16: driver about we wanted sort of a sustainable home. Yes,
Speaker 16: And the cost of those generally back in those days became,
Speaker 16: oh goodness, that is going to be expensive. Perhaps I
Speaker 16: don't need it so much. But now that we've got
Speaker 16: a regulation driving it, and we've also undertaken this credit
Speaker 16: a data set that suggests using certain methods, it's actually
Speaker 16: not a scary number. It's becoming more palatable, and there's
Speaker 16: a payback period, and the payback period isn't ten years
Speaker 16: or so like it was previously. Right, it's quite modest.
Speaker 5: The final question for you, and it's kind of a
Speaker 5: snapshot of where you sense your members are at right.
Speaker 5: This is the builders that are on site, right. And
Speaker 5: my a criticism that I would have of myself and
Speaker 5: of the industry is typically we're not ones to rush
Speaker 5: to embrace change. And if you sit around at Smoko
Speaker 5: on any building site, there'll be someone who's got gray
Speaker 5: hair like me sitting in the corner going, well, we
Speaker 5: never used to do it like that in my day,
Speaker 5: and I don't understand all the changes. Blah blah blah
Speaker 5: blah blah. Do you get a sense that your members
Speaker 5: and maybe younger people in the trades now are embracing change.
Speaker 5: They understand that what we've done hasn't been that great
Speaker 5: and we need to build better.
Speaker 16: There was a very good report done by the Boston
Speaker 16: Consulting right now about twenty sixteen, and it was all
Speaker 16: about globally, this is not one this is an international issue.
Speaker 16: They talked about they bundle like construction and engineering together
Speaker 16: that they the lamentable progress in the last fifty years
Speaker 16: on how we build were there be a house or
Speaker 16: a commercial building, and comparing that rate of change which
Speaker 16: has been negligible to say, aeronautics, car industry, film industry, sure,
Speaker 16: many others, and so really what needs to be done
Speaker 16: around that? But you're quite right, you know that's your
Speaker 16: typical builder on the building site of our sort of
Speaker 16: age is not firmly embracing change, but like it or not,
Speaker 16: it's coming. And some of those young builders. We did
Speaker 16: a twenty fifth year videos. We're ten twenty five established
Speaker 16: in nineteen ninety eight, so we met big yellow that
Speaker 16: and it's worth having a bit of look at it
Speaker 16: on our website. And some of those young builders were
Speaker 16: there excited by change. And I've often talked about what's
Speaker 16: coming down the tracks with robotics and three three D printing,
Speaker 16: what's coming down the tracks with modular housing and syst
Speaker 16: wonderful thing has been done around the world. They're not
Speaker 16: quite lapping on our shores yet, but they will need
Speaker 16: to be embraced. Where I do absolutely agree with the minister.
Speaker 16: As a country, we're too expensive to building and that
Speaker 16: is throttling demand for new builds where there be houses
Speaker 16: of buildings. We need to be addressing that. So and
Speaker 16: so what I've often been talking about previously that construction
Speaker 16: is going to be a high tech industry of the future.
Speaker 16: Now that sounds like that makes me wow, what's this
Speaker 16: guy been? You know, has been smoking something out there
Speaker 16: in Graham Street before he came in here. But that's
Speaker 16: where we're heading at.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's and it is. It will be technology driven.
Speaker 5: I think the ability to you know, work digitally and
Speaker 5: all of those sorts of things you know is going
Speaker 5: to be a really important skill set for our young
Speaker 5: people coming through the construction sector. Malcolm, thank you very
Speaker 5: much much for your time today. I really appreciate the insights.
Speaker 5: I think the work that you've done, that CBA, CBNZ
Speaker 5: have done is really really important in terms of providing
Speaker 5: the data. So good on you forgetting the numbers and
Speaker 5: putting it out there. Really appreciate your.
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Speaker 2: Well, a very good morning, climb past, A very good
Speaker 2: morning to you, Peter Wolf.
Speaker 5: Now tell me about Pookaha.
Speaker 2: Oh actually, they all send me, send you their favorite,
Speaker 2: their famous little greetings from yeah, well you know what
Speaker 2: I mean from the Waii Rapper. It was unbelievable. We
Speaker 2: had a great time and it was a fabulous day yesterday.
Speaker 2: Lots of people, lots of walks, lots of talks, lots
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Speaker 5: It was fantastic. It's a gem that place.
Speaker 2: It is a gem that place. And I was the
Speaker 2: only one that was staying there for two nights, which
Speaker 2: on the lodge and the lot. Yeah, oh yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it's my room. Don't you start that. It's my room.
Speaker 2: So we had Kaka there and I saw I was
Speaker 2: there on the first night, they were about twenty five
Speaker 2: thirty pouririmos landing literally outside my door alive.
Speaker 5: Yeah, how fabulous, huge things, How cool? How cool?
Speaker 2: And the ruru We're looking at it and say I'll
Speaker 2: have one of those? Got it?
Speaker 6: Really?
Speaker 5: Because the rua are missing at the moment, aren't they?
Speaker 2: Yeah they are absolutely. Yeah, it was hilarious to see
Speaker 2: all that happened. I just up to be quels. I
Speaker 2: haven't that much sleep.
Speaker 5: Yeah, fair enough, fair enough, Hey, and we can do
Speaker 5: a little giveaway because it feels like the garden well
Speaker 5: certainly the weeds are coming up along with everything else.
Speaker 5: So if you're going to get stuck under those, it's
Speaker 5: the old Clarks cultivator.
Speaker 2: There you go. We've done this before. And Chris and
Speaker 2: Bobby said, look, give them one away today and also
Speaker 2: make sure that when they when they hear this on
Speaker 2: the radio, for instance, and I'll have to find theditos
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Speaker 2: to buy one, we are doing it at a really
Speaker 2: special price for Christmas right now, and you'll have to
Speaker 2: mention within I think the next week that you heard
Speaker 2: this on the radio, and you'll get it for quite
Speaker 2: a bit cheaper. And you get them basically from Clark Cultivator.
Speaker 2: You can find those online easy. But one of those
Speaker 2: we're going to give away today.
Speaker 5: And it's Clark c l A r K Clark Cultivator.
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Speaker 5: and away we go, brilliant and you will give one away. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: Oh right, brilliant.
Speaker 5: Let's get into it now. He wants to kill moths.
Speaker 5: I don't think we'll take this call.
Speaker 2: Yeah we do?
Speaker 5: Oh okay, all right, go Roger.
Speaker 11: Hello, good morning, good morning. I was yesterday afternoon and
Speaker 11: you have a spray there that's got kill moths and
Speaker 11: also it kills bora. Now I'm interested for killing borer.
Speaker 11: Now why is sellar? The floor is a eighteen hundred
Speaker 11: square feet old house and it's full of borer and
Speaker 11: the dust drops down to the motor, onto my cellar
Speaker 11: and the things. And if I get some of that
Speaker 11: and spread, will it kill the borer?
Speaker 2: Well? Look it's it's so it comes. Actually the borer
Speaker 2: is above you in the ceiling you said, right, yes,
Speaker 2: can you see the little holes in which the from
Speaker 2: which the borers emerge?
Speaker 11: Yes, well okay, yes, there will no This.
Speaker 2: Is just for Pete's Pete's edification. Pete. These are the
Speaker 2: house borer, the European housebory we're talking about. Yes, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, the ones that actually it came
Speaker 2: here of course with settlers in the in the suitcases
Speaker 2: in there that wood wouldn't whatever cases in which they
Speaker 2: migrated to New Zealand in the eighteen hundreds. So this
Speaker 2: is what it is. And here comes to time you are.
Speaker 2: This is why I made that yesterday on the Jackdame Show.
Speaker 2: Quite a thing. This is the time when they are
Speaker 2: starting to think about coming out, finding a mate and
Speaker 2: then laying eggs in old little borer holes or on
Speaker 2: the wood itself from which they came. And what you
Speaker 2: do now is you get that spray that I was
Speaker 2: talking about. You spray it on that surface from which
Speaker 2: they emerge. If they are in contact with that surface
Speaker 2: for more than say ten seconds, there ain't no mating.
Speaker 11: Ah, yes, got it.
Speaker 2: Okay. So what the stuff that you use is the
Speaker 2: residual aircraft spray that you can get from a company
Speaker 2: called safe Works. One word safe works ends with an
Speaker 2: X safes and they have company. They have shops in Auckland, Wellington,
Speaker 2: christ Church probably some other places by now find them
Speaker 2: online and give them a call and work it out.
Speaker 2: You'll find that you can get a couple of those
Speaker 2: cans and spray the literally, say about half a meter away,
Speaker 2: and you literally treat the surface with that spray. That
Speaker 2: that aerosol spray.
Speaker 11: What was the name of that spray. That's what I
Speaker 11: forgot it.
Speaker 2: Well, the residual aircraft spray.
Speaker 11: Yeah, residual aircraft spray from safe Work.
Speaker 2: Safe Works. Yes, if you explain that we had this conversation,
Speaker 2: most of the staff at Safeworks know who I am
Speaker 2: because we I worked on making that stuff and putting
Speaker 2: it on well and developing it in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2: You were there time, No, I wasn't. I was in
Speaker 2: Auckland at that time with the Ministry of Agriculture and
Speaker 2: we were using that spray inside aircraft to stop insects
Speaker 2: arriving in New Zealand, you know, and and we that
Speaker 2: spray kills those insects before they even get to New Zealand.
Speaker 2: That was That's how.
Speaker 11: Good it is yes, So that's great.
Speaker 2: Great safe works with the you find it your.
Speaker 11: Safe work with the next that I'm listening to you
Speaker 11: for many years, years ago, I used to hear on
Speaker 11: the radio somewhere and I was under easy long ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was syndicated, that old radio. Like this radio
Speaker 2: show goes all over the.
Speaker 5: Orders of the beauty of radio. You can be down
Speaker 5: nowadays in the world. I appreciate the call. Roger, you
Speaker 5: have a great day, Tanya, A very good morning.
Speaker 7: Oh goody, that's me morning. Kind What sort of critter
Speaker 7: has built a black pouch underneath the ease of my house?
Speaker 7: He must have it, she must have it at night
Speaker 7: because I'm confined to a chair and suddenly it just appeared.
Speaker 2: What did you call it a black couch?
Speaker 7: I'm pouch, you know, a bag, pouch or pouch?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah? And what color is it? It's black?
Speaker 12: What's black?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 2: Oh? Black is not a common thing in the natural
Speaker 2: world of insects. You know, how big is it.
Speaker 7: About the size of a man's first what? Yes, Look,
Speaker 7: I live in a very rare I have spiders. British
Speaker 7: spiders have sawns on their backs. I'm in a very
Speaker 7: I've created. Uh, I've created a very natural garden here,
Speaker 7: like a cottage garden, lots of trees and bush and flowers,
Speaker 7: full of bees and butterflies and bees. I've got them all.
Speaker 2: Okay. Now, if you've got a pouch that has grown,
Speaker 2: you know, to that size, that might be the beginning
Speaker 2: of a wasp nest. Could that be?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 11: No, do you know?
Speaker 7: I wondered, Yeah, that one, because it's broken. It's broken.
Speaker 2: Now, has it got these little hexagonal cells in it?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 2: No, that in that case, I may be totally wrong.
Speaker 7: From here, it looks like like set material. It looks
Speaker 7: quite soft.
Speaker 2: No, really, no, I can't. I cannot picture it in
Speaker 2: my brain. I cannot identify it without you know, seeing
Speaker 2: it in my brain. I do.
Speaker 7: I am cluse. I have a cowry tree on the property.
Speaker 7: That's crazy. And I wondered if if that has any
Speaker 7: influence on us.
Speaker 2: Oh, maybe it does, but I don't know. I cannot
Speaker 2: tell what it is. But just simply by listening to
Speaker 2: this description, I'm afraid. I'm sorry. I can't help you
Speaker 2: with that, but I can help you with one thing.
Speaker 2: If you think that spiders with little spikes on their
Speaker 2: back are strange, no, they're not, because they're quite often
Speaker 2: called two spine spiders and they look like that.
Speaker 7: Yes, oh right, oh well, oh.
Speaker 2: There you go. Hey, thank you, thank you for your call.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I can't help you with the other thing.
Speaker 5: All us you take care and Margaret, good morning to you.
Speaker 15: Good morning. Rude my, I think they're asiatically so I've
Speaker 15: got several, but just one of them has got it
Speaker 15: looks like sunburn on the leaves, but the other seven
Speaker 15: got any of that. So if they're all going.
Speaker 2: Pround, they're all going off one plant only.
Speaker 15: Though, just on one plant.
Speaker 2: Anybody sprayed anything in the neighborhood, No, you haven't, so
Speaker 2: that's weird. Oh gosh, what could that be? I could
Speaker 2: Oh so they're slowly changing color and becoming brown. Do
Speaker 2: they then start to become brittle and die off?
Speaker 15: Well they are, yes, yeah, okay half of the leaf.
Speaker 2: That could well be then a fungal disease that actually
Speaker 2: slowly taking them off.
Speaker 15: Well, why there's just one plant, god, and not the others.
Speaker 2: That one drew the luckies, the lucky the lucky straw. No,
Speaker 2: I mean that happens sometimes that you get one plant.
Speaker 15: And they all been watered together. It's not like it's
Speaker 15: too wet or too dry.
Speaker 2: No, and it could and you know what, it also
Speaker 2: could be that there's something in the soil that started
Speaker 2: to eat the bulbs or the little rootlets of the bulbs,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 14: And if that only that one, very healthy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, well that's what happens sometimes, might be
Speaker 2: something in the ground.
Speaker 15: Go on, And also what is your opinion of worm
Speaker 15: we for a manure?
Speaker 2: Not too bad at all? Good, brilliant? Why not that
Speaker 2: that's how nature fertilizes itself with that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: Wos do nothing but of course yeah, they make They
Speaker 2: decay all sorts of bits and pieces and transport them
Speaker 2: through the ground to put that fertilizer literally what it
Speaker 2: is all over the place in the forest or in
Speaker 2: your garden. So weren't we as such is a pretty
Speaker 2: useful material.
Speaker 15: Oh that's good because I have been using it. But
Speaker 15: I just wondered how good it was.
Speaker 2: It is good. It's better than you're wee, is it?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 15: Well I heard that's quite good for the garden too.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go there, darling.
Speaker 10: No, okay, rude, thank you?
Speaker 5: Christ Well, intervene now before we hit down the path
Speaker 5: that we just can't come back from. Uh, we're going
Speaker 5: to take a short break also after the break I'll
Speaker 5: tell you last week on the show, we ran a
Speaker 5: little competition for some legos, some Team New Zealand Lego.
Speaker 5: I've got the winners. I'll tell you who are after
Speaker 5: the break back, but keen to get amongst it. I
Speaker 5: tell you what last week, you know with the America's
Speaker 5: Cup Razine, who are actually heavily involved with the America's
Speaker 5: Cup because they make the paint that goes on the boat.
Speaker 5: Through Razine construction, we had three Lego kits to give away.
Speaker 5: We've got a lot of people entering, which was awesome.
Speaker 5: So Uppologna and Dunedin, Claire in At and karl In
Speaker 5: Tyrau are going to get these amazing Lego kits. I
Speaker 5: think there's a few pieces and they're pretty awesome. Anyway,
Speaker 5: they're on their way to you, so that's fantastic. And
Speaker 5: someone today is going to go home well is going
Speaker 5: to get a Clark Cultivator as well, which is awesome.
Speaker 2: We're getting to send him to you. Just talking about Razine.
Speaker 2: Another little heads up the Kiwi Art Trail that's going
Speaker 2: on in to Adimo, which is actually quite lovely to see.
Speaker 2: It's also sponsored partly bow Razine.
Speaker 5: Didn't know that interesting? What's the art trail about? And
Speaker 5: you've got a walk?
Speaker 2: No imagine having a kiwi? Are big kiwi kind of
Speaker 2: made you know as such? And then artists paint them
Speaker 2: are brilliant and they have these weird Well go online,
Speaker 2: look at the kipia.
Speaker 5: I'm in tar On the next in January for a wedding.
Speaker 5: Will they still be around?
Speaker 2: No, seventy of November okay, And guess where I'm going
Speaker 2: to be between now and the seventieth of November. You go. Actually,
Speaker 2: that's another thing. They have Plenty Arts and garden festival.
Speaker 2: If you I'm there for the whole week, go and
Speaker 2: I'll meet you there and it'll be a hell of
Speaker 2: a lot of fun. Both plenty arts a garden festival.
Speaker 5: Excellent. Hey, now I forwarded you an email from our
Speaker 5: mystery caller last week who had the worm and the irrigation.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, so the worm is like a white worm
Speaker 5: and when it was in the palm of his hand,
Speaker 5: I estimated to be about forty millimeters long. Cheapest I know.
Speaker 2: Oh whit Oh, that's that's a lot. That's quite. That's quite,
Speaker 2: and then and then as hell of course, well yeah
Speaker 2: gotta be.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but not so much to be fair. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's you got the photo, Yeah, I sent it to you.
Speaker 2: Ok. Oh yeah, there's me. That's me being an aeroplane.
Speaker 5: I'm just comparing if he's got some oflar palm markings
Speaker 5: for me. I reckon it is about without a word
Speaker 5: of a light, it'll be thirty five to forty millimeters long.
Speaker 5: I'm probably about two millimeters in diameter. And it's why
Speaker 5: I'll have to look at that.
Speaker 2: I'm going to make a note to self next week
Speaker 2: of course, Central Otagos.
Speaker 5: You know, we get to the bottom of this mystery
Speaker 5: for Dennis right right now, though, Mary, go talk to us.
Speaker 5: Good morning, Good morning.
Speaker 7: I'm just three about the aircraft spray repels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's never.
Speaker 7: No eight hundred numbers that we can get because I
Speaker 7: can't get hold of this, and I think.
Speaker 5: It's pretty good. I don't know that repels aircraft.
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't repel. Talking about I think I think
Speaker 2: they may because it's a safety company, safe works, they
Speaker 2: might not be opening in there on the Sunday. I'm
Speaker 2: not even sure if they open on the Saturday, but
Speaker 2: they open any other day after that that Christ are
Speaker 2: they Oh, I'll tell you they're on Hoswell Junction Road.
Speaker 2: There you go. Boom okay, thank you very much.
Speaker 5: To talk about you, Tanya, Good morning to you.
Speaker 7: Yes, good morning. So rude, I've got a bit of
Speaker 7: a scary problem where I've got mulbrowed freeze, a black
Speaker 7: one and a white variety planted about ten years ago.
Speaker 7: And yes they meta, but I do keep them trimmed
Speaker 7: a little bit, but they're still quite high. And like
Speaker 7: about last year, I saw a massive route climbing about
Speaker 7: four meters away from the tree into a back garden,
Speaker 7: a raised garden, and I cut that with my chain,
Speaker 7: sort of thinking kroky, that was voracious. And then in
Speaker 7: the front garden, Yesterda replaced three rose gardens and dug
Speaker 7: the soil out because you know, when you're replacing the roses,
Speaker 7: you've got to put change the soil. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 7: And what did I find? What did I find in
Speaker 7: the front garden like it had gone under the house
Speaker 7: or I don't know, frightening and voracious. What the hell
Speaker 7: do I have to cut those trees down.
Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa. How do you know it was the roots
Speaker 2: of that Melbury tree.
Speaker 7: I recognized them from when I cut the root with
Speaker 7: my chainsaw in the back garden. They're sort of like
Speaker 7: It's an orange color with a very woody center. And
Speaker 7: it was frightening to find that it had come that far.
Speaker 7: And I'm thinking Jesus, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know. I find it extraordinary, by the way,
Speaker 2: And to be quite honest, I'm growing a melberry as well.
Speaker 2: You know why I grow in Melbury?
Speaker 7: The toes go meant your whole trees full of toys?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I want I grow Melbury because I want
Speaker 2: to grow what do you call these things? It doesn't
Speaker 2: matter forgotten some caterpillars. What do you call these? Silkwormsh what?
Speaker 2: I want to grow silk worms on the leaves of Melbury.
Speaker 2: That's the story. Okay, don't worry, but I did. Mine
Speaker 2: is not that bit misbehaving. It actually stays in one
Speaker 2: place and it grows quite nicely. I haven't heard of
Speaker 2: it going that quick, I know, I know, but I
Speaker 2: haven't heard of going that far.
Speaker 7: That would be I bought them as large trees. That
Speaker 7: mind you. I bought them as large trees, I got
Speaker 7: them installed as large trees, and then it's been them
Speaker 7: for about ten years.
Speaker 2: No, to be quite honest, I did not know that.
Speaker 2: But what you then need to start doing is actually
Speaker 2: get some dig around the Melbury trees and make sure
Speaker 2: that you start intercepting those roots before they go that far.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 7: It's just incredible. And also there was a that I
Speaker 7: came across which I didn't even know I had. When
Speaker 7: I was I dug right down to remove all of
Speaker 7: the soil and that rose gardens, and I came across
Speaker 7: a drain and I saw the roots even in that
Speaker 7: way down. Unbelievable. You wouldn't even be able to get
Speaker 7: around that deep and that and that far. Seriously but spooky,
Speaker 7: I'm thinking, do I need to cut those trees down?
Speaker 7: I love those trees.
Speaker 2: But yeah, another little question, do you have boo to
Speaker 2: car Anyarby?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, I know Peter and Peter and I know that
Speaker 2: we can do this sort of nonsense.
Speaker 7: I know that too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, No, but I hadn't heard of I had not.
Speaker 2: I have never heard that of Melbourny trees.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't blame the tree though it's problem with the drain.
Speaker 5: It's not the tree. The trees still not trees.
Speaker 12: Do there?
Speaker 2: You go? Good boy back in the mo.
Speaker 5: Oh, what a busy old morning road.
Speaker 2: We've been fairly flat out, haven't we. But it's been good.
Speaker 2: So we've got the little worm to check out. But anyway,
Speaker 2: and I'll see if I can for next week. I'm
Speaker 2: going to be in Central Otagos. You have to do
Speaker 2: it probably from from.
Speaker 5: From we'll figure it out on the day, okay.
Speaker 2: Other than that, might be being fine and can't cultivate it.
Speaker 2: By the way, I think Margaret is the person. She
Speaker 2: was wonderful with her lily. I love that one, Lily.
Speaker 2: This is very good.
Speaker 5: I might get into the garden today as well.
Speaker 2: Rud you get on with it.
Speaker 5: Again next week. Take care all of this. Hey, thanks
Speaker 5: very much for your company this morning, folks. Next week
Speaker 5: on the show, Ben Johnson talking about the Fencing Act.
Speaker 5: He is a lawyer. He'll be with me next Sunday.
Speaker 5: Look forward to hearing from me For.
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