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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter

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Speaker 1: Wolfcamp from News Talks at Bay.

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Speaker 2: Even when it.

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Speaker 3: Stars, even when the grass is overgrown in the yard,

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Speaker 3: even when the dog is too old to bar, and

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Speaker 3: when you're sitting at the table trying not to start.

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Speaker 4: Have scissor home, even when we leave.

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Speaker 3: A band gone, even when you're there alone. The house

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Speaker 3: is a hole, even when those goes, Even when.

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Speaker 2: You got around from the world you love you most.

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Speaker 3: You scream those broken paints feeling from the wood locals

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Speaker 3: visible when they're kind of leaving nearbor house, even when

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Speaker 5: Well, a very very good morning to you. On Labor weekend,

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Speaker 5: not quite Labor Day, that's tomorrow, but it is a

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Speaker 5: long weekend. It is well going to say it's springtime,

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Speaker 5: but it doesn't really feel like spring, or is this

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Speaker 5: typical for spring? Decent bit of rain in Auckland yesterday,

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Speaker 5: I think, some flooding down in the Bay of Plenty

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Speaker 5: area as well, or out around Hastings, I think. And

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Speaker 5: then some friends send me pictures of fresh snow in

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Speaker 5: Queenstown and around Wanaka. So we are in that sort

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Speaker 5: of transition from winter to summer normally labor weekend, first

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Speaker 5: opportunity for a while, first long weekend for a little while,

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Speaker 5: to look towards summer and go right, I've got some

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Speaker 5: jobs to do. I can get into the garden like

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Speaker 5: I did on what day was it, Friday ahead of

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Speaker 5: the sort of expected in clement weather on Saturday, which

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Speaker 5: finally duly arrived. And you know, we're starting to look

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Speaker 5: at what do I need to do now in order

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Speaker 5: to get set up for Christmas, which I guess is

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Speaker 5: just less than two months away, which is kind of

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Speaker 5: scary when we start talking about that those sorts of dates. Anyway,

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Speaker 5: if you've got a project that you would like some

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Speaker 5: assistants with some advice around planning the project, some advice

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Speaker 5: around selecting subcontractors, some advice around the type of materials,

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Speaker 5: some advice around the sort of legislation that might impact

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Speaker 5: on what you can and cannot do without necessarily requiring

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Speaker 5: a building consent. In fact, that was part of my week.

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Speaker 5: I was asked to sort of offer up an opinion

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Speaker 5: we were told by the contractor that we didn't need

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Speaker 5: it wasn't strictly building as and it wasn't a house,

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Speaker 5: it was outside. I thought it did require a building

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Speaker 5: consent because of the nature of the work. It was

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Speaker 5: a retaining wall, it's vehicle surcharge on it, it was

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Speaker 5: close to a boundary. Those two items in and of

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Speaker 5: itself require a building consent or trigger the need for

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Speaker 5: a building So now this kind of issue becomes also

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Speaker 5: one about poor advice from a contractor. And there's been

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Speaker 5: a number of those sorts of stories around at the moment.

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Speaker 5: So if you've got issues with contractors, or issues with

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Speaker 5: not uncommon. We can talk about all of these things.

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Speaker 5: If you've got a project that you're thinking, gosh, over

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Speaker 5: the summer, I want to get this done, Well, now's

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Speaker 5: the time to start planning. I remember many years ago

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Speaker 5: talking with a very senior and experienced building survey. Building

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Speaker 5: why it's bad, basically why it hasn't gone well. And

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Speaker 5: he said, look, in almost every single job that we

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Speaker 5: can do some good planning, you'll get a good result.

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Speaker 5: What's on the show today, Well, it's pretty much your

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Speaker 5: show today, So it's eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 5: If you've got questions of a building nature, we can

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Speaker 5: talk about that right through till just after eight o'clock.

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Speaker 5: Had the opportunity to catch up with a gentleman by

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Speaker 5: the name of Malcolm Fleming. He is the chief executive

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Speaker 5: of Certified Builders New Zealand. And the reason I kind

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Speaker 5: the Minister for Building and Construction, had got some advice

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Speaker 5: of low hanging fruit the H one changes. That finally

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Speaker 5: almost twelve months ago. They are adding significant cost, you

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Speaker 5: we don't think we should be winding back the H

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Speaker 5: that's in your wheelhouse. It's not surprising that you would

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Speaker 5: here's the numbers. And one of those groups was certified Builders.

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Speaker 5: So that's a sorry long winded way of saying that's

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Speaker 5: I sat down with Malcolm Fleming, and I'll have that

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Speaker 5: right now it is your opportunity to talk all things

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Speaker 5: building and construction. The lines are open. The number to

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Speaker 5: if you wish, that is nine two nine two, and

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Speaker 5: if you'd like to send me an email. I've remembered

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Speaker 5: my passwords, so it is Pete at newstooksbat dot co

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Speaker 5: them every three months, which is ah. Anyway, I'm sure

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Speaker 5: it makes the whole place secure because, oh imagine if

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Speaker 5: people got into my emails. Oh, eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 5: ten eighty is the number to call. If you've got

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Speaker 5: is my preference. You can text like this person did.

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Speaker 5: Large flat roof butteanyl showing signs of deterioration after thirty

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Speaker 5: exceptionally good run. So large flat roof of butteanyl showing

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Speaker 5: signs of deterioration after thirty five to forty years. Can

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Speaker 5: I coat it with something successfully? There are coatings, Terry,

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Speaker 5: So if that sounds like a bit of you, have

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Speaker 5: a look at equis as one of those coating products

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Speaker 5: We'll take more of your calls and texts and just

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Speaker 5: a moment, will take a break. Now is a great

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Speaker 5: as well. I intend, as is my want these days

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Speaker 5: to do these terribly unscientific, ill prepared poorly thought out

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Speaker 5: And that might be a combination of cost. It might

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Speaker 5: is how often am I going to use it if

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Speaker 5: later on die. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, beautiful sunny war.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was I thought it was flooding down

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, we were good. Yeah, that's sut it down.

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Speaker 4: So where's that bang really between Gussie up to the

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Speaker 5: So yeah, awesome, awesome. How can I help?

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Speaker 4: Well, I've been on a long journey for designing my

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Speaker 4: It's got a beautiful view. That's I know how I

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Speaker 4: couple of papers through Open Politics next well on residential

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Speaker 4: some calls around clouding choices and window choices, yes, because

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Speaker 4: constantine application and design process. But I'm a wildl mate

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Speaker 5: And whether that's Hamilton or anywhere else in the country,

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Speaker 5: it to, because then you'll lose the habitat, you know,

432
00:25:06,895 --> 00:25:08,495
Speaker 5: like I say, you want a pond, not a puddle.

433
00:25:10,615 --> 00:25:13,175
Speaker 5: But in terms of the building, consent to your original question,

434
00:25:13,335 --> 00:25:15,655
Speaker 5: it's all about the depth, as I understand it, So

435
00:25:15,815 --> 00:25:16,895
Speaker 5: just check that out.

436
00:25:17,935 --> 00:25:19,015
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have got a.

437
00:25:21,135 --> 00:25:25,215
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, that'll go well. Good luck with it all,

438
00:25:25,215 --> 00:25:26,575
Speaker 5: the best of you. Joe oh eight one hundred and

439
00:25:26,575 --> 00:25:29,255
Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty is the number to call the stext

440
00:25:29,295 --> 00:25:32,015
Speaker 5: that caught my eye a moment ago. We've gone through

441
00:25:32,095 --> 00:25:35,215
Speaker 5: years of building remediation on an apartment building was completed

442
00:25:35,335 --> 00:25:38,055
Speaker 5: last year. From day one, the large areas of floating

443
00:25:38,135 --> 00:25:40,375
Speaker 5: tiles in the common area and the deck won't drain

444
00:25:40,495 --> 00:25:43,335
Speaker 5: properly and the water sits on top of them for ages.

445
00:25:43,375 --> 00:25:45,935
Speaker 5: The building and the project manager say it's built to speck.

446
00:25:47,055 --> 00:25:49,975
Speaker 5: The tile supplier says that they were working to the specs,

447
00:25:50,055 --> 00:25:52,735
Speaker 5: it's not their problem, and the architect says that it's

448
00:25:52,775 --> 00:25:56,415
Speaker 5: a tile fault. Of course, the property manager, who oversaw

449
00:25:56,455 --> 00:26:00,695
Speaker 5: the whole project takes no responsibility who should take who

450
00:26:00,695 --> 00:26:04,015
Speaker 5: should be taking legal action against since everyone is blaming

451
00:26:04,055 --> 00:26:08,215
Speaker 5: everyone else. I'll tell you what one place to start

452
00:26:08,335 --> 00:26:13,535
Speaker 5: if you want to pursue this is too You need

453
00:26:13,575 --> 00:26:16,735
Speaker 5: an pendant advice, and that might be someone like a

454
00:26:16,815 --> 00:26:20,055
Speaker 5: registered building surveyor who could come in and determine whether

455
00:26:20,175 --> 00:26:24,135
Speaker 5: or not the selection of the tiles meets the code,

456
00:26:24,175 --> 00:26:28,135
Speaker 5: whether the installation meets the manufacturer specification give you an

457
00:26:28,175 --> 00:26:34,535
Speaker 5: independent bit of advice on there, maybe to send me

458
00:26:34,535 --> 00:26:37,895
Speaker 5: an updated text and go. Is the issue that water

459
00:26:38,095 --> 00:26:40,735
Speaker 5: sits on top of the tile. So if for example,

460
00:26:40,775 --> 00:26:43,535
Speaker 5: it's a six hundred by six hundred tile and it

461
00:26:43,695 --> 00:26:46,935
Speaker 5: rains and those tiles are flat, then for a period

462
00:26:46,975 --> 00:26:49,895
Speaker 5: of time after it rains, the water will sit on there,

463
00:26:50,055 --> 00:26:52,815
Speaker 5: albeit not particularly deep, but it will sit on there

464
00:26:53,175 --> 00:26:56,615
Speaker 5: because obviously, the way those systems are designed is that

465
00:26:56,695 --> 00:26:59,375
Speaker 5: they are flat, so you get level entry and you

466
00:26:59,415 --> 00:27:02,055
Speaker 5: get a flat surface to sit on and put chairs

467
00:27:02,055 --> 00:27:04,695
Speaker 5: and tables and those sorts of things on. But obviously

468
00:27:04,735 --> 00:27:08,695
Speaker 5: a six hundred by six hundred square of tile, regardless

469
00:27:08,735 --> 00:27:13,535
Speaker 5: of texture or whatever, is going to hold water. Not much,

470
00:27:13,615 --> 00:27:18,615
Speaker 5: but it will hold water, and eventually that dries or evaporates.

471
00:27:18,775 --> 00:27:22,335
Speaker 5: And so that's how those systems work. And if that's

472
00:27:22,375 --> 00:27:25,495
Speaker 5: your concern, I don't know that you're actually going to

473
00:27:27,055 --> 00:27:30,295
Speaker 5: find that you've got any redress. That's just one of

474
00:27:30,295 --> 00:27:33,655
Speaker 5: those things that you know, unless you go for small tiles,

475
00:27:34,575 --> 00:27:38,135
Speaker 5: which then has other issues, or you lay those tiles

476
00:27:38,935 --> 00:27:41,495
Speaker 5: with fall, which is not how those systems are designed

477
00:27:41,495 --> 00:27:44,855
Speaker 5: to it is. That's just the nature of the system. Sorry,

478
00:27:44,855 --> 00:27:46,935
Speaker 5: that's not a great answer, but it is an answer. Oh,

479
00:27:46,935 --> 00:27:48,695
Speaker 5: eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

480
00:27:48,735 --> 00:27:50,375
Speaker 5: to call. We'll talk to Jane and then we'll take

481
00:27:50,375 --> 00:27:51,335
Speaker 5: your calls in just a moment.

482
00:27:51,415 --> 00:27:55,815
Speaker 10: Jane, Hello there, Good morning, Good I'm calling about the

483
00:27:55,855 --> 00:28:02,535
Speaker 10: auglant In tree plant requirements. Yes, waste water systems on

484
00:28:02,815 --> 00:28:08,055
Speaker 10: properties that are not connected to SERACHE. They co chapter

485
00:28:08,775 --> 00:28:16,055
Speaker 10: E five point six point one and my question one

486
00:28:16,095 --> 00:28:21,695
Speaker 10: of them three I've got suitably qualified on site wastewater

487
00:28:21,855 --> 00:28:27,695
Speaker 10: service provider and also where the tank is pumped out

488
00:28:27,935 --> 00:28:34,735
Speaker 10: of suitably qualified on site wastewater service provide How do

489
00:28:34,895 --> 00:28:41,135
Speaker 10: we find these? Do they have a certification or something?

490
00:28:43,415 --> 00:28:45,335
Speaker 5: To be fair, I'd have to do some research on that.

491
00:28:45,415 --> 00:28:49,055
Speaker 5: It's something that has come up, and to be fair,

492
00:28:49,135 --> 00:28:52,135
Speaker 5: when I first heard this, I thought, you know, is

493
00:28:52,175 --> 00:28:55,455
Speaker 5: this kind of another layer of bureaucracy or another layer

494
00:28:55,495 --> 00:28:59,215
Speaker 5: of compliance that's been added to homeowners? And for what reason?

495
00:29:00,215 --> 00:29:03,095
Speaker 5: Because for years and years and years, as a homeowner,

496
00:29:03,135 --> 00:29:07,775
Speaker 5: if you weren't connected to Mainz waste water, right you

497
00:29:07,895 --> 00:29:11,535
Speaker 5: had on site waste disposal, septic tanks and the like,

498
00:29:13,215 --> 00:29:15,535
Speaker 5: you just looked after it, right, and if it didn't work,

499
00:29:15,615 --> 00:29:17,855
Speaker 5: that was your problem, right If you ended up with

500
00:29:18,095 --> 00:29:20,455
Speaker 5: basically poosing the law, that's your problem right now.

501
00:29:20,855 --> 00:29:27,175
Speaker 10: New government said that they were going to stop interference

502
00:29:27,375 --> 00:29:31,095
Speaker 10: with what we can do on our own property. That's

503
00:29:31,095 --> 00:29:36,015
Speaker 10: a fairly recent comment, but now we're stuck with us

504
00:29:36,055 --> 00:29:37,295
Speaker 10: needing to comply.

505
00:29:38,095 --> 00:29:40,175
Speaker 5: Yeah, you are right, and I've heard this from a

506
00:29:40,255 --> 00:29:43,695
Speaker 5: number of people, So I would imagine that you know,

507
00:29:43,775 --> 00:29:46,535
Speaker 5: when they say suitably qualified. I don't know if there's

508
00:29:46,575 --> 00:29:49,255
Speaker 5: actually a qualification for that. It would be interesting to

509
00:29:49,335 --> 00:29:51,935
Speaker 5: know and if someone can text me whether there is

510
00:29:51,935 --> 00:29:55,175
Speaker 5: a specific qualification. But I guess it's a company that

511
00:29:56,135 --> 00:29:59,895
Speaker 5: is either has a registered drain layer or certified drain

512
00:29:59,975 --> 00:30:06,055
Speaker 5: layer who's part of the organization that I suppose counselor

513
00:30:06,095 --> 00:30:10,455
Speaker 5: then confident that that company, if they take material from

514
00:30:10,775 --> 00:30:13,535
Speaker 5: your site, if they pump out the tanks, that they

515
00:30:13,535 --> 00:30:16,335
Speaker 5: will then take it to an approved site for disposal,

516
00:30:16,935 --> 00:30:20,175
Speaker 5: rather than you know, fly tipping it potentially those sorts

517
00:30:20,175 --> 00:30:23,415
Speaker 5: of things. So I look, I'm happy to do a

518
00:30:23,455 --> 00:30:25,015
Speaker 5: bit of research. We'll look at that. But it does

519
00:30:25,055 --> 00:30:28,095
Speaker 5: seem like this is now common, certainly in Auckland and

520
00:30:28,255 --> 00:30:31,975
Speaker 5: quite possibly across the country where where as a homeowner,

521
00:30:32,215 --> 00:30:34,815
Speaker 5: used to have to take responsibility and you were expected

522
00:30:34,855 --> 00:30:38,135
Speaker 5: to be responsible. Now you have to prove that responsibility

523
00:30:38,535 --> 00:30:41,015
Speaker 5: by having a contract to come and do this work

524
00:30:41,055 --> 00:30:41,335
Speaker 5: for you.

525
00:30:42,855 --> 00:30:44,415
Speaker 10: Yes, and that's the pottible.

526
00:30:44,735 --> 00:30:47,255
Speaker 5: And how often are you required to have an inspection?

527
00:30:47,455 --> 00:30:50,695
Speaker 5: It's like every six months or twelve months now.

528
00:30:50,895 --> 00:30:54,695
Speaker 10: Well, yes, for two that's on a very regular basis.

529
00:30:56,175 --> 00:30:57,855
Speaker 5: How often is it required.

530
00:31:01,135 --> 00:31:03,735
Speaker 10: At least once every three years?

531
00:31:04,215 --> 00:31:06,295
Speaker 5: Okay, once every three years.

532
00:31:06,455 --> 00:31:14,455
Speaker 10: Disposal system should be inspected, secondary and tersary treatment systems

533
00:31:14,495 --> 00:31:19,535
Speaker 10: and associated land disposal systems must be servant six months.

534
00:31:20,015 --> 00:31:24,615
Speaker 10: I have suitably qualified on site waste provider.

535
00:31:25,455 --> 00:31:27,655
Speaker 5: So it's like getting more on fitness for your car.

536
00:31:27,815 --> 00:31:30,095
Speaker 5: All of a sudden that every six months you're down.

537
00:31:30,215 --> 00:31:32,255
Speaker 5: You know you're getting someone in And.

538
00:31:33,255 --> 00:31:38,215
Speaker 10: I've lived with septic tanks in this area, which is

539
00:31:38,335 --> 00:31:41,815
Speaker 10: Auckland District, since nineteen fifty two.

540
00:31:43,375 --> 00:31:43,615
Speaker 11: Yep.

541
00:31:45,255 --> 00:31:48,135
Speaker 5: But yes, these are the new regulations. I'm not sure

542
00:31:48,135 --> 00:31:52,055
Speaker 5: what happens if you don't comply with the regulations, but

543
00:31:53,375 --> 00:31:56,735
Speaker 5: I suspect that if you know, for example, I don't

544
00:31:56,775 --> 00:31:59,135
Speaker 5: know what would happen if you didn't comply, But there

545
00:31:59,175 --> 00:32:02,815
Speaker 5: is a requirement to comply, so you're supposed to, but

546
00:32:03,455 --> 00:32:09,495
Speaker 5: it certainly is a not significant cost on homeowners.

547
00:32:09,895 --> 00:32:14,015
Speaker 10: I would love you to do some edications.

548
00:32:14,695 --> 00:32:15,855
Speaker 5: I'm more happy to do that.

549
00:32:16,255 --> 00:32:18,295
Speaker 10: There are a group of three of us who are

550
00:32:18,335 --> 00:32:23,095
Speaker 10: together and we're going ahead with this because we have to.

551
00:32:24,775 --> 00:32:29,775
Speaker 10: But we're in the own field, and a very expensive one.

552
00:32:30,415 --> 00:32:34,655
Speaker 5: Yeah, and inevitably the companies that do it have now

553
00:32:34,695 --> 00:32:38,535
Speaker 5: been guaranteed a pipeline of work, pardon the pun. And

554
00:32:39,455 --> 00:32:42,775
Speaker 5: you know whether or not it stays competitive, that will

555
00:32:42,815 --> 00:32:44,375
Speaker 5: be an interesting thing as well.

556
00:32:45,295 --> 00:32:45,495
Speaker 4: Well.

557
00:32:45,535 --> 00:32:50,695
Speaker 10: They started in April with the LISTA. They talked in

558
00:32:50,935 --> 00:32:55,815
Speaker 10: two thousand and nineteen about it originally and didn't follow

559
00:32:55,855 --> 00:33:01,015
Speaker 10: it up, but have now and all of them are

560
00:33:01,095 --> 00:33:07,095
Speaker 10: so busy because this has come through April. Until we're

561
00:33:07,215 --> 00:33:10,695
Speaker 10: checked in with somebody to come and do three of them.

562
00:33:10,815 --> 00:33:14,935
Speaker 5: You keep well, I think that's very wise. And look,

563
00:33:15,015 --> 00:33:20,335
Speaker 5: there is I suppose particularly for those situations where you know,

564
00:33:20,375 --> 00:33:24,615
Speaker 5: while you might not be connected to public waste water

565
00:33:25,135 --> 00:33:28,575
Speaker 5: and so you have to contain it, if you're having

566
00:33:28,615 --> 00:33:32,455
Speaker 5: to look after your own syread set system and you're

567
00:33:32,495 --> 00:33:36,575
Speaker 5: in reasonably close proximity to your neighbors, you can understand

568
00:33:36,615 --> 00:33:39,335
Speaker 5: why it's in everybody's interest to make sure that everybody

569
00:33:39,375 --> 00:33:44,135
Speaker 5: actually looks after their wastewater systems. Right, So if the

570
00:33:44,175 --> 00:33:47,535
Speaker 5: system's not working well and there's potential contamination or these

571
00:33:47,575 --> 00:33:50,895
Speaker 5: issues with smell and so on, it's it is sort

572
00:33:50,935 --> 00:33:53,455
Speaker 5: of a public good to have them looked after it.

573
00:33:53,495 --> 00:33:56,735
Speaker 5: But then you've just that, you know, you've said it

574
00:33:56,855 --> 00:34:01,935
Speaker 5: true yep, and since nineteen fifty two you've looked after

575
00:34:01,975 --> 00:34:04,695
Speaker 5: your system and it's worked for all of that time,

576
00:34:04,975 --> 00:34:07,455
Speaker 5: there's no issues with it, and now suddenly you have

577
00:34:07,535 --> 00:34:09,655
Speaker 5: to prove that there's no issues to it.

578
00:34:10,055 --> 00:34:10,295
Speaker 10: Yep.

579
00:34:10,695 --> 00:34:15,175
Speaker 5: Yeah. It would be a good one too, as you say,

580
00:34:15,455 --> 00:34:17,855
Speaker 5: a government that's come in going hey we want less

581
00:34:18,415 --> 00:34:21,855
Speaker 5: regulation and that sort of thing to go, hey, here's

582
00:34:21,895 --> 00:34:25,455
Speaker 5: another thing to have a look at. I have made

583
00:34:25,455 --> 00:34:27,935
Speaker 5: some notes stay in touch with my head.

584
00:34:28,615 --> 00:34:30,895
Speaker 10: Who does a person go to?

585
00:34:32,535 --> 00:34:36,535
Speaker 5: I guess you'd start with. If that was me in

586
00:34:36,575 --> 00:34:40,335
Speaker 5: that situation, I would probably start with a local drain layer, right,

587
00:34:41,175 --> 00:34:44,055
Speaker 5: who I know and trust, and then say to them, look,

588
00:34:44,095 --> 00:34:46,455
Speaker 5: can you put me in touch with a contractor who

589
00:34:46,775 --> 00:34:51,575
Speaker 5: is you know, reliable and trustworthy and go from there.

590
00:34:51,695 --> 00:34:54,815
Speaker 5: So I would start with a local drain layer okay,

591
00:34:54,895 --> 00:34:55,575
Speaker 5: all right.

592
00:34:56,255 --> 00:34:58,935
Speaker 10: Talking with you, that's really and assuring all.

593
00:34:58,775 --> 00:35:02,855
Speaker 5: The best take care bother them. A couple of quick

594
00:35:02,855 --> 00:35:05,455
Speaker 5: texts that have come in just on that issue as well,

595
00:35:05,615 --> 00:35:07,935
Speaker 5: counsels you. We have a list of approved train labs.

596
00:35:10,255 --> 00:35:15,095
Speaker 5: Don't know. I don't know if they do text me

597
00:35:15,135 --> 00:35:17,655
Speaker 5: and the link or something like that. Interested to see

598
00:35:18,135 --> 00:35:23,095
Speaker 5: not something that I've ever seen. Quick text as well,

599
00:35:23,095 --> 00:35:25,455
Speaker 5: Hey Pete, I'm interested in the price comparison and using

600
00:35:25,455 --> 00:35:28,095
Speaker 5: tilt slab over traditional brick or weatherboard. I'd call, but

601
00:35:28,095 --> 00:35:30,775
Speaker 5: I'm heading into an area with bad service. Hopefully I've

602
00:35:30,775 --> 00:35:33,655
Speaker 5: caught you in time. Richie. I suspect that tilt slab

603
00:35:33,695 --> 00:35:39,495
Speaker 5: would be considerably more expensive only because think about the process,

604
00:35:40,135 --> 00:35:45,055
Speaker 5: you know, specific design offsite, manufacture, transportation to site, crane,

605
00:35:45,175 --> 00:35:51,535
Speaker 5: higher upspect footings, those sorts of things. Certainly for residential

606
00:35:52,735 --> 00:35:54,735
Speaker 5: I would imagine that you would have to be really

607
00:35:54,895 --> 00:35:58,055
Speaker 5: and I love the idea, to be fair, I quite

608
00:35:58,135 --> 00:36:00,015
Speaker 5: like the idea of doing part of the house out

609
00:36:00,015 --> 00:36:01,695
Speaker 5: of tilt slab. In fact, there's a house that was

610
00:36:01,695 --> 00:36:05,735
Speaker 5: built not far from me where they extensively use tilt

611
00:36:05,735 --> 00:36:08,655
Speaker 5: slab pan for the exterior of the building. And I

612
00:36:08,695 --> 00:36:11,055
Speaker 5: love it to bits. It's one of the nicest pieces

613
00:36:11,055 --> 00:36:13,175
Speaker 5: of architecture that I've seen in a couple of years

614
00:36:13,495 --> 00:36:16,015
Speaker 5: in and around where I happen to live. So I

615
00:36:16,055 --> 00:36:18,815
Speaker 5: love the idea, but I would say that the cost

616
00:36:19,095 --> 00:36:26,215
Speaker 5: in a residential situation would be considerably more than brick

617
00:36:26,295 --> 00:36:28,975
Speaker 5: and certainly more than weather board. Oh eight hundred eighty

618
00:36:29,055 --> 00:36:31,015
Speaker 5: ten eighty. Will take a short break, will take your calls.

619
00:36:31,055 --> 00:36:32,975
Speaker 5: We've still got time before the news, so call us now,

620
00:36:33,095 --> 00:36:35,815
Speaker 5: oh eight hundred eighty ten eight. So what I'm unsure

621
00:36:35,855 --> 00:36:39,415
Speaker 5: about is whether or not this requirement to prove that

622
00:36:39,455 --> 00:36:46,255
Speaker 5: you are maintaining your on site waste water systems is

623
00:36:47,055 --> 00:36:52,615
Speaker 5: nationwide or just an Auckland Council requirement so from the

624
00:36:52,655 --> 00:36:54,935
Speaker 5: Auckland Council website. So I'm going to assume at the

625
00:36:54,975 --> 00:36:58,215
Speaker 5: stage that I'm just going to stick with Auckland. So

626
00:36:58,335 --> 00:37:02,135
Speaker 5: primary systems, that's like a septic tank with a disposal field.

627
00:37:02,855 --> 00:37:05,775
Speaker 5: These units tend to be older and use simple technology.

628
00:37:05,775 --> 00:37:08,975
Speaker 5: There are se secondary or tertiary systems. So secondary and

629
00:37:09,055 --> 00:37:13,335
Speaker 5: tertiary systems may have multiple treatment tanks in a disposal field.

630
00:37:13,815 --> 00:37:16,975
Speaker 5: They often use electric pumps and have multiple chambers for

631
00:37:17,095 --> 00:37:21,815
Speaker 5: increased filtration. So in July twenty twenty two or can

632
00:37:21,855 --> 00:37:24,855
Speaker 5: Council send letters to property owners to request their proof

633
00:37:24,975 --> 00:37:28,695
Speaker 5: of waste water maintenance. The letter explains the type of

634
00:37:28,735 --> 00:37:31,655
Speaker 5: proof that they need and how long you have to

635
00:37:31,855 --> 00:37:36,015
Speaker 5: submit these to their records. Failure to maintain your system

636
00:37:36,175 --> 00:37:39,095
Speaker 5: may result in a fine or a penalty. Then it

637
00:37:39,135 --> 00:37:41,775
Speaker 5: goes on to say who can service your on site

638
00:37:41,855 --> 00:37:45,055
Speaker 5: wastewater system. There are many companies in Auckland who service

639
00:37:45,135 --> 00:37:48,735
Speaker 5: pump out and repair. Companies listed in the table use

640
00:37:48,775 --> 00:37:53,975
Speaker 5: our standard form for servicing. They provide this form directly

641
00:37:54,055 --> 00:37:55,975
Speaker 5: to us on your behalf. And then it goes on

642
00:37:56,015 --> 00:38:01,375
Speaker 5: to list a reasonably extensive list of companies that I

643
00:38:01,415 --> 00:38:06,095
Speaker 5: guess they know are doing the inspections in a way

644
00:38:06,135 --> 00:38:09,815
Speaker 5: that complies with the regulations. So there you go. Whether

645
00:38:09,855 --> 00:38:12,815
Speaker 5: that's nationwide or not, I'm not absolutely sure. We're going

646
00:38:12,855 --> 00:38:14,695
Speaker 5: to kick off the survey in the next hour. So

647
00:38:14,855 --> 00:38:19,415
Speaker 5: just if you've just tuned in, I now am increasingly

648
00:38:19,455 --> 00:38:24,175
Speaker 5: doing these terribly thought out, unscientific, lacking in any academic

649
00:38:24,295 --> 00:38:28,135
Speaker 5: robustness surveys, but I enjoy them. So the moot is

650
00:38:28,175 --> 00:38:29,975
Speaker 5: going to be and you just text me and it's

651
00:38:29,975 --> 00:38:32,335
Speaker 5: just going to be a number one through to whatever.

652
00:38:33,095 --> 00:38:36,135
Speaker 5: How many times in a calendar year would you go

653
00:38:36,295 --> 00:38:40,015
Speaker 5: and higher equipment? Now, that could be a water blaster,

654
00:38:40,135 --> 00:38:42,975
Speaker 5: it could be a chainsaw, It could be a motormar.

655
00:38:43,095 --> 00:38:44,775
Speaker 5: It could be a trailer. It could be a bit

656
00:38:44,775 --> 00:38:48,895
Speaker 5: of scaffolding. It could be a furniture trailer, anything like

657
00:38:48,935 --> 00:38:52,015
Speaker 5: that that you might go and higher. How many times

658
00:38:52,095 --> 00:38:55,255
Speaker 5: in a year would you go and hire equipment? And

659
00:38:55,335 --> 00:38:58,375
Speaker 5: what I'm interested to sort of gauge is one, how

660
00:38:58,415 --> 00:39:01,295
Speaker 5: often we go and higher gear? And two whether or

661
00:39:01,295 --> 00:39:03,775
Speaker 5: not that sort of gives me an insight into that

662
00:39:04,135 --> 00:39:06,855
Speaker 5: because we've all got that dilemma of do I buy

663
00:39:06,895 --> 00:39:10,015
Speaker 5: something or do I hire it? You know, at what

664
00:39:10,055 --> 00:39:12,255
Speaker 5: point does it make sort of economic sense to buy

665
00:39:12,295 --> 00:39:17,815
Speaker 5: it versus makes sense to just hire it. I realized

666
00:39:17,815 --> 00:39:19,375
Speaker 5: that I'm coming up to the news time, so Anne,

667
00:39:19,415 --> 00:39:21,775
Speaker 5: I might get you just to hold because your question

668
00:39:22,055 --> 00:39:26,255
Speaker 5: intrigues me to the point where I suspect that it's

669
00:39:26,335 --> 00:39:30,095
Speaker 5: not going to be a simple answer. So Anne, if

670
00:39:30,095 --> 00:39:32,495
Speaker 5: you could just hold and we'll chat immediately after the

671
00:39:32,535 --> 00:39:36,535
Speaker 5: news on my unscientific poll, I'm gonna have to come

672
00:39:36,615 --> 00:39:40,415
Speaker 5: up with a neck and a n achronism anagram for

673
00:39:40,495 --> 00:39:44,655
Speaker 5: these anyway, we just text me a number. So do

674
00:39:44,735 --> 00:39:47,855
Speaker 5: you go to a higher center like I did? I

675
00:39:47,895 --> 00:39:50,255
Speaker 5: went to high Pool this week to drop off a

676
00:39:50,295 --> 00:39:52,695
Speaker 5: trailer that I'd use to carry some site fencing on.

677
00:39:53,095 --> 00:39:56,015
Speaker 5: So that's that's let's call that one hire. I mean,

678
00:39:56,055 --> 00:39:57,735
Speaker 5: I hired a trailer to collect it and then I

679
00:39:57,815 --> 00:39:59,495
Speaker 5: heard a trailer to take it back because it was

680
00:39:59,495 --> 00:40:02,495
Speaker 5: a decent sized amount of gear. But I you know,

681
00:40:02,535 --> 00:40:04,895
Speaker 5: I would go from time to time, for example what

682
00:40:05,055 --> 00:40:08,055
Speaker 5: I hire last time, like a cherry picker for example,

683
00:40:08,175 --> 00:40:11,215
Speaker 5: to do some access, some high access. So actually I'll

684
00:40:11,215 --> 00:40:13,095
Speaker 5: try over the break, I will sit down and write

685
00:40:13,135 --> 00:40:14,735
Speaker 5: and try and figure out how many times a year

686
00:40:14,775 --> 00:40:16,775
Speaker 5: i'd go on high gear. But few, as you know,

687
00:40:16,815 --> 00:40:20,095
Speaker 5: if you're reasy, if you're working around the house, how

688
00:40:20,135 --> 00:40:22,415
Speaker 5: often would you go to a higher center and hire

689
00:40:22,455 --> 00:40:24,535
Speaker 5: some equipment? Take them through? Nine two, nine and two

690
00:40:24,695 --> 00:40:27,415
Speaker 5: back with your call straight afternoons Sport and weather top

691
00:40:27,455 --> 00:40:39,695
Speaker 5: of the rat eight. So while we're at at folks

692
00:40:40,015 --> 00:40:41,775
Speaker 5: and you're tuned in listening to the show, and you're

693
00:40:41,815 --> 00:40:44,655
Speaker 5: out doing your bits and pieces as people do. My

694
00:40:44,815 --> 00:40:47,055
Speaker 5: survey this morning on the show, and we'll run this

695
00:40:47,055 --> 00:40:50,095
Speaker 5: through a little about eight thirty or thereabouts is how

696
00:40:50,095 --> 00:40:52,015
Speaker 5: many times a year do you go on higher equipment?

697
00:40:52,095 --> 00:40:55,055
Speaker 5: And I'm just kind of curious, and I guess I'm

698
00:40:55,215 --> 00:40:58,655
Speaker 5: expecting that most of you who are tuned in are

699
00:40:58,695 --> 00:41:02,735
Speaker 5: not necessarily trades people, so you're a homeowner. And to

700
00:41:02,735 --> 00:41:04,735
Speaker 5: be fair, I was wandering around today and I was thinking, actually,

701
00:41:04,815 --> 00:41:07,495
Speaker 5: you know what I feel like doing water blasting? Nothing

702
00:41:07,575 --> 00:41:09,375
Speaker 5: like upsetting the neighbors on a Sunday with a bit

703
00:41:09,375 --> 00:41:11,535
Speaker 5: of water blasting, and I might go and do that.

704
00:41:12,255 --> 00:41:16,015
Speaker 5: So for my situation, I happen to own a water blaster,

705
00:41:16,095 --> 00:41:17,375
Speaker 5: so I don't need to go on hire one. But

706
00:41:17,415 --> 00:41:20,175
Speaker 5: if you had the inclination to do some water blasting,

707
00:41:20,815 --> 00:41:23,255
Speaker 5: would you go and hire one? Or do you have one?

708
00:41:23,535 --> 00:41:25,815
Speaker 5: Or if you needed to help him make to shift

709
00:41:25,855 --> 00:41:28,975
Speaker 5: a fridge like I did this week, do you have

710
00:41:29,055 --> 00:41:31,055
Speaker 5: your own trailer or would you go and hire one?

711
00:41:31,335 --> 00:41:33,175
Speaker 5: You decide you want to cut down a tree, do

712
00:41:33,215 --> 00:41:35,015
Speaker 5: you have your own chainsaw? Or would you prefer to

713
00:41:35,095 --> 00:41:37,855
Speaker 5: ruin somebody else's and go and hire one? So just

714
00:41:38,175 --> 00:41:42,175
Speaker 5: text me a number how many times a year roughly

715
00:41:42,455 --> 00:41:44,895
Speaker 5: would you go and hire equipment? I'd be fascinated to know. Oh,

716
00:41:44,935 --> 00:41:47,455
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Good day, Pete wolf Camp here,

717
00:41:47,815 --> 00:41:50,375
Speaker 5: this is the resident builder on Sunday, and we're talking

718
00:41:50,415 --> 00:41:53,095
Speaker 5: all things building and construction. The lines are open. The

719
00:41:53,175 --> 00:41:56,535
Speaker 5: number to call eight hundred eighty ten eighty and I've

720
00:41:56,535 --> 00:41:57,775
Speaker 5: got to be news coming up for you in just

721
00:41:57,815 --> 00:42:00,095
Speaker 5: a moment. Two and good morning, thanks for waiting.

722
00:42:01,095 --> 00:42:06,095
Speaker 8: Good morning, hi, Patter. So good situation is I have

723
00:42:06,575 --> 00:42:12,335
Speaker 8: a new build, it's eleven months old, and you know

724
00:42:12,495 --> 00:42:15,255
Speaker 8: the extraction event that you have in the ceiling of

725
00:42:15,295 --> 00:42:20,295
Speaker 8: your bathroom to take out the moist air. Yes, yep,

726
00:42:20,495 --> 00:42:25,535
Speaker 8: I have one of those also in say like a

727
00:42:25,615 --> 00:42:32,415
Speaker 8: cupboard where a washing machine is located. My situation is

728
00:42:32,615 --> 00:42:37,175
Speaker 8: over winter, I had moisture trickly in through the event

729
00:42:37,415 --> 00:42:43,655
Speaker 8: into the house, through the event in this cupboard area.

730
00:42:44,015 --> 00:42:44,335
Speaker 5: Yes.

731
00:42:45,895 --> 00:42:46,815
Speaker 8: Should that happen?

732
00:42:49,735 --> 00:42:54,975
Speaker 5: Interestingly enough, I have encountered it only I think on

733
00:42:54,975 --> 00:43:00,615
Speaker 5: one occasion where, again a new build, after a period

734
00:43:00,615 --> 00:43:03,695
Speaker 5: of time, the homeowner got back in touch and said, hey, look,

735
00:43:03,735 --> 00:43:07,615
Speaker 5: I've noticed that I've got connensation coming out or moisture

736
00:43:07,615 --> 00:43:11,815
Speaker 5: coming out. And so as a contractor, you immediately think shivers.

737
00:43:11,895 --> 00:43:13,735
Speaker 5: Is there a pipe that's leaked and it happens to

738
00:43:13,775 --> 00:43:17,695
Speaker 5: be dripping into there and coming out. It is more

739
00:43:17,855 --> 00:43:22,055
Speaker 5: likely to be condensation that's collecting in the pipe and

740
00:43:22,095 --> 00:43:26,495
Speaker 5: then draining backwards and dropping out through the extraction and

741
00:43:26,575 --> 00:43:29,855
Speaker 5: into that area. The fact that it happens in two locations,

742
00:43:30,655 --> 00:43:32,935
Speaker 5: because it's not particularly common, so.

743
00:43:32,935 --> 00:43:34,935
Speaker 8: It's one one one of these.

744
00:43:35,095 --> 00:43:36,415
Speaker 6: Only one of the only one of them.

745
00:43:36,575 --> 00:43:46,255
Speaker 5: Does okay, I suspect that it's condensation that's there. It

746
00:43:46,415 --> 00:43:54,335
Speaker 5: could be that the where's the comment? Do you think

747
00:43:54,375 --> 00:43:57,615
Speaker 5: that there's any possibility that moisture is being driven in

748
00:43:57,695 --> 00:44:01,655
Speaker 5: from the outlet of the extraction in to the to

749
00:44:01,735 --> 00:44:02,615
Speaker 5: the ducting.

750
00:44:07,775 --> 00:44:10,975
Speaker 8: To the designer of the house earlier in the week,

751
00:44:11,095 --> 00:44:15,615
Speaker 8: and he suggested that it could be not installed properly

752
00:44:15,735 --> 00:44:18,735
Speaker 8: because he said to me, it shouldn't you shouldn't have

753
00:44:18,815 --> 00:44:22,295
Speaker 8: this moisture coming into the house. It was the middle

754
00:44:22,335 --> 00:44:26,415
Speaker 8: of winter as well, and there's very high humidity where

755
00:44:26,455 --> 00:44:30,055
Speaker 8: I live in the middle of winter outside.

756
00:44:30,735 --> 00:44:34,855
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, it's possible that during the extraction process, right,

757
00:44:34,935 --> 00:44:38,695
Speaker 5: so you've got that moisture that you're extracting out, it's

758
00:44:38,695 --> 00:44:43,535
Speaker 5: obviously laden with moisture, and so when you turn it.

759
00:44:43,655 --> 00:44:51,935
Speaker 8: Actually, sorry, I had this put in looking ahead in

760
00:44:52,135 --> 00:44:56,135
Speaker 8: case I ever put a dry as here. But there's

761
00:44:56,135 --> 00:45:00,135
Speaker 8: a washing machine there, but it always runs on cooler temperature,

762
00:45:00,775 --> 00:45:05,335
Speaker 8: and it's I don't believe it's a moist environment at

763
00:45:05,335 --> 00:45:08,175
Speaker 8: all apart from a washing machine. Does operation there?

764
00:45:08,415 --> 00:45:11,735
Speaker 5: Yeah? Now the extraction point that you're discussing, does it

765
00:45:11,815 --> 00:45:13,895
Speaker 5: have mechanical extraction attached to it?

766
00:45:15,175 --> 00:45:17,335
Speaker 8: Yes, you flick a switch in the sand goes like

767
00:45:17,375 --> 00:45:18,615
Speaker 8: in a bassroom.

768
00:45:18,215 --> 00:45:23,975
Speaker 5: Right, okay. And is it on the water on the ceiling.

769
00:45:24,935 --> 00:45:27,975
Speaker 8: It's on the ceiling, okay.

770
00:45:28,055 --> 00:45:32,855
Speaker 5: So it's purely extraction for moisture for air, rather than

771
00:45:32,895 --> 00:45:37,855
Speaker 5: it's not ducting for the dryer to duct the dryer dryer.

772
00:45:42,255 --> 00:45:45,055
Speaker 5: I think it's most likely to be condensation that's collecting

773
00:45:45,055 --> 00:45:48,695
Speaker 5: and deducting and then draining backwards right and drop it

774
00:45:48,735 --> 00:45:57,295
Speaker 5: back out again. I mean that's how much water comes

775
00:45:57,335 --> 00:45:58,975
Speaker 5: out or how much moisture you.

776
00:46:00,375 --> 00:46:04,935
Speaker 8: During this particular period of time, it was trickling out

777
00:46:05,975 --> 00:46:12,095
Speaker 8: over number of days. At one point, I just after

778
00:46:12,175 --> 00:46:15,255
Speaker 8: it had been emptied out, I got up there and

779
00:46:15,335 --> 00:46:19,975
Speaker 8: I tuned a little captain, and I took out I

780
00:46:20,015 --> 00:46:23,895
Speaker 8: think about sixty mil And the next day more was

781
00:46:23,975 --> 00:46:25,655
Speaker 8: tricking now, so.

782
00:46:25,695 --> 00:46:29,055
Speaker 5: This is moisture that's trickling out of Like typically there's

783
00:46:29,095 --> 00:46:31,855
Speaker 5: a grill that sits on the ceiling, so you're removing

784
00:46:31,855 --> 00:46:34,215
Speaker 5: that grill and water is draining out from there.

785
00:46:35,215 --> 00:46:38,375
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a little round dome sing it's actually got

786
00:46:38,655 --> 00:46:43,135
Speaker 8: a channel around the outside that presumably maybe there's capture

787
00:46:43,175 --> 00:46:47,215
Speaker 8: some moisture and that was just full and overflowing.

788
00:46:49,815 --> 00:46:53,015
Speaker 5: H Okay, I'll tell you what. I may need to

789
00:46:53,055 --> 00:46:55,695
Speaker 5: go and chat with an expert, And as it happens,

790
00:46:55,735 --> 00:46:57,975
Speaker 5: we've got one of those sort of on tap, which

791
00:46:58,015 --> 00:47:00,695
Speaker 5: is a storm who has been a guest on the

792
00:47:00,735 --> 00:47:07,495
Speaker 5: show who's basically an extraction and ventilation expert. So I'll

793
00:47:07,535 --> 00:47:09,815
Speaker 5: give her a call during the week and put that

794
00:47:09,935 --> 00:47:14,135
Speaker 5: to her. I think it'll be condensation, but it's still

795
00:47:14,175 --> 00:47:18,535
Speaker 5: a little bit unusual for that amount, like sixty mils

796
00:47:18,575 --> 00:47:22,095
Speaker 5: is not an inconsiderable amount of condensation to accumulate in

797
00:47:22,215 --> 00:47:27,295
Speaker 5: the ducting and be coming backwards. Given so and from

798
00:47:27,455 --> 00:47:31,255
Speaker 5: the inlet, So inside your laundry where the stuckt is

799
00:47:31,295 --> 00:47:35,415
Speaker 5: to the outside, what's the distance of that run.

800
00:47:36,295 --> 00:47:40,375
Speaker 8: Approximately approximately four meters, no more than four and a half.

801
00:47:41,615 --> 00:47:44,815
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, so it's unlikely to be driving back in

802
00:47:44,895 --> 00:47:51,335
Speaker 5: from outside and outside the grill that's been attached to

803
00:47:51,375 --> 00:47:53,415
Speaker 5: the outlet, is that one of the ones that has

804
00:47:53,415 --> 00:47:55,935
Speaker 5: a little flap on it, so that when air is

805
00:47:56,135 --> 00:47:59,495
Speaker 5: pushing out, the flaps rise and allows their to go out,

806
00:47:59,535 --> 00:48:02,415
Speaker 5: and then when you turn it off, the flaps drop

807
00:48:02,495 --> 00:48:05,935
Speaker 5: down like a louver and seal the entry.

808
00:48:06,935 --> 00:48:09,775
Speaker 8: Okay, that's a good question. It's got a little hood

809
00:48:09,815 --> 00:48:11,895
Speaker 8: thing on the outside of the house, and I haven't

810
00:48:11,935 --> 00:48:14,095
Speaker 8: seen up inside the hood.

811
00:48:13,935 --> 00:48:16,775
Speaker 5: So okay, that would be interesting to know too, because

812
00:48:17,535 --> 00:48:20,655
Speaker 5: I think to get compliance these days you need the

813
00:48:20,695 --> 00:48:26,295
Speaker 5: hood which stops air basically outside air pushing back in

814
00:48:26,335 --> 00:48:28,895
Speaker 5: to the house. But then most of them also have

815
00:48:29,095 --> 00:48:31,935
Speaker 5: it's either three or four little louver blades or flaps

816
00:48:31,975 --> 00:48:36,815
Speaker 5: on them that drop back down and seal the extraction

817
00:48:38,255 --> 00:48:39,935
Speaker 5: when it's not used, and then as soon as you

818
00:48:39,975 --> 00:48:43,175
Speaker 5: turn it on, the air pressure from the fan pushes

819
00:48:43,215 --> 00:48:46,615
Speaker 5: those open and it allows air to escape. But when

820
00:48:46,615 --> 00:48:49,575
Speaker 5: it's not running, they should close down again, So that

821
00:48:50,055 --> 00:48:53,735
Speaker 5: might be a contributing factor. But look, I've written myself

822
00:48:53,735 --> 00:48:56,495
Speaker 5: a note, so stay tuned next week and I'll make

823
00:48:56,495 --> 00:48:57,535
Speaker 5: sure I raise this again.

824
00:48:58,895 --> 00:49:04,135
Speaker 8: Now build. Does a builder have to rectify things like

825
00:49:04,175 --> 00:49:06,575
Speaker 8: this within a certain time period.

826
00:49:07,815 --> 00:49:10,775
Speaker 5: I think it's not unreasonable for you to say, hey, look,

827
00:49:10,815 --> 00:49:13,735
Speaker 5: this shouldn't be happening. Therefore, I'd like you to come

828
00:49:13,735 --> 00:49:17,375
Speaker 5: and find a solution. And chances are the main contractor

829
00:49:17,455 --> 00:49:21,055
Speaker 5: will say that it's the electrician's fault. The electrician will

830
00:49:21,055 --> 00:49:23,455
Speaker 5: say that it's the plumber's fault. The plumber will say

831
00:49:23,455 --> 00:49:26,135
Speaker 5: that it's the builder's fault. The builder will say that

832
00:49:26,175 --> 00:49:29,255
Speaker 5: it's the manufacturer's fault. The manufacturer will say that the

833
00:49:29,535 --> 00:49:33,895
Speaker 5: electrician didn't install it directly. And you know, maybe one

834
00:49:33,975 --> 00:49:37,575
Speaker 5: day someone will come and fix it. Someone has ticked

835
00:49:37,615 --> 00:49:43,575
Speaker 5: through and see, you know, ideally, well, like deducting ultimately

836
00:49:43,615 --> 00:49:46,175
Speaker 5: will run uphill to some degree because if it's in

837
00:49:46,255 --> 00:49:48,615
Speaker 5: the ceiling, it will go up and then it will

838
00:49:48,615 --> 00:49:51,135
Speaker 5: go over. So there's always going to be a point

839
00:49:51,135 --> 00:49:55,575
Speaker 5: at which the extraction rises. But it's again and that's

840
00:49:55,815 --> 00:49:58,455
Speaker 5: you know, like that bend. So is it a two

841
00:49:58,535 --> 00:50:01,895
Speaker 5: story house or single story house? No, it's single story,

842
00:50:02,015 --> 00:50:06,215
Speaker 5: single story. So the fan is mounted in the ceiling space,

843
00:50:06,335 --> 00:50:11,255
Speaker 5: so you could get access to that, okay, because it

844
00:50:11,335 --> 00:50:14,575
Speaker 5: may well be like often with ducting, we assume that

845
00:50:14,615 --> 00:50:17,655
Speaker 5: it has some sort of magical power, right, And I've

846
00:50:17,655 --> 00:50:20,975
Speaker 5: seen all sorts of ducting installed with twists and bends

847
00:50:21,015 --> 00:50:23,735
Speaker 5: and crushed and all the rest of it. So ducting

848
00:50:23,815 --> 00:50:26,535
Speaker 5: needs to be installed properly in order for these systems

849
00:50:26,535 --> 00:50:30,215
Speaker 5: to work. And in fact, I had this discussion with

850
00:50:30,255 --> 00:50:33,335
Speaker 5: a guy on Friday who came round to talk about

851
00:50:33,375 --> 00:50:37,935
Speaker 5: extraction actually on a project, and because I've got an

852
00:50:37,935 --> 00:50:41,015
Speaker 5: issue where I'm not getting sufficient extraction out of a bathroom.

853
00:50:41,295 --> 00:50:45,095
Speaker 5: So I've now this company of Simmics have just released

854
00:50:45,135 --> 00:50:48,455
Speaker 5: a brand new type of extraction which has a moisture

855
00:50:48,575 --> 00:50:52,215
Speaker 5: or a humidity sensor in it, so it knows when

856
00:50:52,215 --> 00:50:54,575
Speaker 5: it needs to turn on and how much it needs

857
00:50:54,615 --> 00:50:57,655
Speaker 5: to turn on. So it's a smart, very smart system.

858
00:50:57,855 --> 00:50:59,655
Speaker 5: So I'm about to install that in a project where

859
00:50:59,655 --> 00:51:02,775
Speaker 5: I've had a persistent issue with moisture in a bathroom.

860
00:51:03,135 --> 00:51:05,735
Speaker 5: And we were talking exactly about the need to get

861
00:51:05,735 --> 00:51:09,015
Speaker 5: your ducting right. You know that sweeping ben straight runs,

862
00:51:09,375 --> 00:51:11,975
Speaker 5: not crushing at all, those sorts of things, So it

863
00:51:12,055 --> 00:51:14,295
Speaker 5: might be worth getting someone to go into the ceiling

864
00:51:14,295 --> 00:51:16,815
Speaker 5: and just have a look at how that ducting has

865
00:51:16,895 --> 00:51:19,895
Speaker 5: been installed as well, just to make sure that it's

866
00:51:19,935 --> 00:51:23,975
Speaker 5: done to the manufacturer's requirements to ensure that it's going

867
00:51:24,055 --> 00:51:27,295
Speaker 5: to work properly. So there's a bit of complexity around it. Okay,

868
00:51:27,975 --> 00:51:29,975
Speaker 5: I'll stay in touch, so tune in next week and

869
00:51:30,175 --> 00:51:32,375
Speaker 5: I'll make sure I have a chat with Storm about this.

870
00:51:34,015 --> 00:51:34,135
Speaker 4: Much.

871
00:51:34,655 --> 00:51:37,495
Speaker 5: All the best, Bye by Ride. Oh Michael, good morning

872
00:51:37,495 --> 00:51:37,855
Speaker 5: to you.

873
00:51:38,855 --> 00:51:39,775
Speaker 6: Oh, good morning, Peter.

874
00:51:40,175 --> 00:51:42,735
Speaker 12: Hey, what I wring about this. I've got a house

875
00:51:42,775 --> 00:51:45,775
Speaker 12: at christ Church, YEP, which I'm in the process of

876
00:51:45,895 --> 00:51:48,735
Speaker 12: I'm moving out of and I'm going to rent it out.

877
00:51:49,735 --> 00:51:53,735
Speaker 12: I've got attached garage, attach single garage, and it's got

878
00:51:53,735 --> 00:51:55,495
Speaker 12: a stipple ceiling and I've had a test it and

879
00:51:55,535 --> 00:51:59,415
Speaker 12: it's positive business. And I want to replace that ceiling anyways,

880
00:51:59,575 --> 00:52:01,615
Speaker 12: because it's got a whole in one quarter. So yes,

881
00:52:01,615 --> 00:52:04,895
Speaker 12: that's pretty pretty clear cautity to do that. While i've

882
00:52:04,895 --> 00:52:08,055
Speaker 12: got it, I've had a look. I've still got about

883
00:52:08,055 --> 00:52:11,335
Speaker 12: thirty square meters of rooms in the house. There's a

884
00:52:11,415 --> 00:52:15,575
Speaker 12: small bedroom, a bathroom, and a laundry and a toilet.

885
00:52:15,735 --> 00:52:20,255
Speaker 12: But I've still got stifle stiple ceilings. They weren't they

886
00:52:20,255 --> 00:52:22,735
Speaker 12: weren't repaired after the earthquake because they were rooms that

887
00:52:22,775 --> 00:52:25,055
Speaker 12: had absolutely no damage in it, you know what I mean.

888
00:52:25,775 --> 00:52:28,175
Speaker 12: The rest of the house was where the stifle ceilings

889
00:52:28,175 --> 00:52:32,135
Speaker 12: were got rid of. And now I'm wondering that. I've

890
00:52:32,175 --> 00:52:35,055
Speaker 12: had three contractors look at the job. All of them

891
00:52:35,055 --> 00:52:38,015
Speaker 12: say the same thing. The ceiling, these stiple ceilings in

892
00:52:38,095 --> 00:52:41,495
Speaker 12: these three rooms are in very very good order. I

893
00:52:41,535 --> 00:52:44,215
Speaker 12: mean there's no you know, there's nothing broken. And they say,

894
00:52:44,255 --> 00:52:47,055
Speaker 12: you don't need to do that, but you can. You

895
00:52:47,135 --> 00:52:49,015
Speaker 12: can because how it's going to be in so I

896
00:52:49,055 --> 00:52:52,095
Speaker 12: can't do it. But it's just the face. There will

897
00:52:52,135 --> 00:52:53,855
Speaker 12: be a bit of damage to the walls when they

898
00:52:53,975 --> 00:52:56,295
Speaker 12: because they'll drop the ceiling out, you see, they won't

899
00:52:56,295 --> 00:52:56,935
Speaker 12: scrape it off.

900
00:52:57,215 --> 00:52:57,735
Speaker 5: Yep, yep.

901
00:53:00,095 --> 00:53:03,215
Speaker 12: What I'm wondering is how how critical well, no, not

902
00:53:03,375 --> 00:53:06,495
Speaker 12: so critical. Do you think it's a good idea? Do

903
00:53:06,615 --> 00:53:10,775
Speaker 12: I do rip the stiffle seeing out rather than leave

904
00:53:10,815 --> 00:53:13,655
Speaker 12: it there? Even though it said good order? I mean

905
00:53:13,695 --> 00:53:16,615
Speaker 12: there's no say, there's no cracks or anything. A three

906
00:53:16,655 --> 00:53:18,815
Speaker 12: separate contract there's all said, there's no need to do it.

907
00:53:18,855 --> 00:53:22,775
Speaker 12: I mean you're putting tendency here. Nobody's going to yeah, nobody, Yeah,

908
00:53:22,895 --> 00:53:25,055
Speaker 12: what what would your attitude be on that?

909
00:53:25,615 --> 00:53:28,055
Speaker 5: Look? I guess if you're taking the approach as a

910
00:53:28,055 --> 00:53:30,415
Speaker 5: as an investor or as a landlord, you're looking at

911
00:53:30,455 --> 00:53:33,855
Speaker 5: return on investment, right, So if you go ahead and

912
00:53:33,935 --> 00:53:37,175
Speaker 5: spend whatever a couple of several thousand dollars in pulling

913
00:53:37,215 --> 00:53:39,015
Speaker 5: the ceilings down, you just.

914
00:53:39,015 --> 00:53:42,295
Speaker 12: Will probably probably looking at close I'd say you're probably

915
00:53:42,295 --> 00:53:44,935
Speaker 12: looking about fifteen thousand dollars by the place you've by

916
00:53:44,935 --> 00:53:46,895
Speaker 12: the time you've replaced.

917
00:53:47,815 --> 00:53:50,135
Speaker 5: And because we've got two different issues, haven't we. We got

918
00:53:50,175 --> 00:53:53,415
Speaker 5: one where you've got asbestos, so it's in your interest

919
00:53:53,495 --> 00:53:55,735
Speaker 5: to remove that. That's a good thing to do. The

920
00:53:55,815 --> 00:53:58,335
Speaker 5: other thing, then, is okay, I've got a similar ceiling

921
00:53:58,375 --> 00:54:01,415
Speaker 5: which kind of dates the house in another part of

922
00:54:01,455 --> 00:54:03,735
Speaker 5: the house. So I guess I would look at it

923
00:54:05,175 --> 00:54:08,735
Speaker 5: as an investor and go, okay, I'm going to spend

924
00:54:08,735 --> 00:54:10,735
Speaker 5: this amount of money. Am I going to either get

925
00:54:10,735 --> 00:54:13,735
Speaker 5: a return on my investment by getting slightly better rent

926
00:54:13,895 --> 00:54:16,615
Speaker 5: for the property? Or am I increasing the value of

927
00:54:16,615 --> 00:54:19,135
Speaker 5: the house so that when I inevitably go to sell it,

928
00:54:19,135 --> 00:54:21,375
Speaker 5: it makes it more saleable and I'll get a return

929
00:54:21,415 --> 00:54:25,255
Speaker 5: on my investment. Then, And if those numbers stack up,

930
00:54:25,295 --> 00:54:27,495
Speaker 5: then do it. Because from a practical point, of view,

931
00:54:27,895 --> 00:54:30,335
Speaker 5: the ceiling's in good condition, it's not leaking, it's not

932
00:54:30,375 --> 00:54:34,015
Speaker 5: falling down. Those sorts of things. There's actually no reason

933
00:54:34,135 --> 00:54:36,895
Speaker 5: to do it. The only reason you would do it

934
00:54:36,935 --> 00:54:39,615
Speaker 5: is is it going to increase the value of my asset.

935
00:54:41,535 --> 00:54:42,375
Speaker 5: That's how I would.

936
00:54:42,215 --> 00:54:46,295
Speaker 12: Say it probably could do them, but it couldn't it here, Yeah,

937
00:54:46,335 --> 00:54:49,415
Speaker 12: because there's no there's no oblique I mean, no ten's

938
00:54:49,455 --> 00:54:52,015
Speaker 12: going to come in here and say something wrong with

939
00:54:52,055 --> 00:54:53,815
Speaker 12: that ceiling sort of thing. You wouldn't even.

940
00:54:56,175 --> 00:54:59,055
Speaker 5: So I'm saying that, you know, purely, I guess from

941
00:54:59,095 --> 00:55:01,175
Speaker 5: an investment point of view. I'm not thinking about it

942
00:55:01,215 --> 00:55:04,175
Speaker 5: in terms of aesthetics or anything like that. Yes, a

943
00:55:04,295 --> 00:55:08,095
Speaker 5: nice flat, new ceiling would look lovely. Does it? Does

944
00:55:08,135 --> 00:55:10,615
Speaker 5: it get you an extra dollar and rent? And to

945
00:55:10,655 --> 00:55:12,575
Speaker 5: be fair, if it doesn't, then you kind of go,

946
00:55:12,775 --> 00:55:13,455
Speaker 5: why would.

947
00:55:13,215 --> 00:55:13,495
Speaker 13: You do it?

948
00:55:14,975 --> 00:55:18,015
Speaker 12: Rue it's not going to make any extra Yeah, because

949
00:55:18,455 --> 00:55:20,255
Speaker 12: it's not going to make any difference to it that

950
00:55:20,415 --> 00:55:21,975
Speaker 12: tended Yeah, I mean.

951
00:55:22,735 --> 00:55:25,375
Speaker 5: But saying that, you you know, inevitably we end up

952
00:55:25,375 --> 00:55:27,815
Speaker 5: selling these sorts of places. So do you go, Actually,

953
00:55:27,815 --> 00:55:30,375
Speaker 5: if I do it now and I put the property

954
00:55:30,375 --> 00:55:32,295
Speaker 5: on the market in a couple of years, time, five

955
00:55:32,335 --> 00:55:34,775
Speaker 5: years time, whenever. And it's presented like that, is it

956
00:55:34,815 --> 00:55:37,295
Speaker 5: going to be more attractive to a buyer, and I

957
00:55:37,335 --> 00:55:40,295
Speaker 5: can do it now and offset some of the costs,

958
00:55:40,295 --> 00:55:43,295
Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera, then maybe it makes sense. But

959
00:55:43,615 --> 00:55:45,415
Speaker 5: to me it would just be you do the numbers

960
00:55:45,415 --> 00:55:47,135
Speaker 5: and if the numbers point you in that direction, you

961
00:55:47,175 --> 00:55:47,615
Speaker 5: go for it.

962
00:55:48,575 --> 00:55:53,855
Speaker 12: Yeah, good luck at the value eventually.

963
00:55:53,615 --> 00:55:56,655
Speaker 5: Then then maybe it's worth investing in all the rest you, Michael,

964
00:55:56,735 --> 00:55:58,975
Speaker 5: take care, We'll take short break. We'll be back with

965
00:55:59,095 --> 00:56:01,215
Speaker 5: Martin in just a moment. You and new Still said

966
00:56:01,215 --> 00:56:04,975
Speaker 5: b twenty five minutes after seven, and Martin a very

967
00:56:04,975 --> 00:56:06,295
Speaker 5: good morning to you.

968
00:56:06,735 --> 00:56:09,735
Speaker 6: Good morning, Peter, thanks to this opportunity.

969
00:56:09,815 --> 00:56:10,055
Speaker 11: Peter.

970
00:56:10,215 --> 00:56:17,255
Speaker 6: I'm reclatting my house and cedar shingles yellow Canadian cedar shingles,

971
00:56:17,855 --> 00:56:21,215
Speaker 6: and we ordered these or group we've got these four

972
00:56:21,335 --> 00:56:26,335
Speaker 6: years ago and now there's only red singer shows yes,

973
00:56:26,735 --> 00:56:32,015
Speaker 6: and I'm six bundle sport. Oh cunning ideas or anybody.

974
00:56:32,215 --> 00:56:34,655
Speaker 6: I've been on marketplace and trade men can't find anyon.

975
00:56:34,735 --> 00:56:37,735
Speaker 6: Wonder if anybody or you might know how I might

976
00:56:37,815 --> 00:56:41,015
Speaker 6: find some seedar shingles short of a three month delivery

977
00:56:41,135 --> 00:56:42,055
Speaker 6: ordered out of Canada.

978
00:56:42,255 --> 00:56:49,575
Speaker 5: Ah, okay, so you've obviously gone back to the original supplier. Yeah,

979
00:56:50,015 --> 00:56:52,615
Speaker 5: I have to say, just between you and I don't

980
00:56:52,655 --> 00:56:57,295
Speaker 5: actually like yellow cedar shingles. But that's a terrible thing

981
00:56:57,335 --> 00:56:59,415
Speaker 5: to say, given that you've chosen to use it on

982
00:56:59,455 --> 00:57:03,255
Speaker 5: the clouding. My preference has always been for the red ones.

983
00:57:03,295 --> 00:57:07,495
Speaker 5: But saying that I have installed them, and I I,

984
00:57:07,535 --> 00:57:12,175
Speaker 5: are you doing shingles as cladding or as roofing, planting, platting,

985
00:57:12,615 --> 00:57:15,295
Speaker 5: all extensively or just sort of as a detail thing.

986
00:57:16,695 --> 00:57:21,935
Speaker 6: No, extensively right around and we're we've put on a

987
00:57:21,975 --> 00:57:25,095
Speaker 6: little extension. I did that and then did half of

988
00:57:25,095 --> 00:57:26,975
Speaker 6: the house. Now I'm doing the other half of the

989
00:57:27,015 --> 00:57:29,575
Speaker 6: house to match it.

990
00:57:29,855 --> 00:57:30,055
Speaker 5: Yeah.

991
00:57:30,135 --> 00:57:32,655
Speaker 6: I was always going to do, but financially I just

992
00:57:32,695 --> 00:57:34,975
Speaker 6: held off for a few years. And there I've got

993
00:57:34,975 --> 00:57:36,095
Speaker 6: myself in this situation.

994
00:57:38,295 --> 00:57:41,415
Speaker 5: Just a technical thing then in order to do see

995
00:57:41,415 --> 00:57:44,575
Speaker 5: the shingles, obviously they're fixed to a substrate. So the

996
00:57:44,655 --> 00:57:48,055
Speaker 5: plywood is the plywood on a cavity or is the

997
00:57:48,055 --> 00:57:49,935
Speaker 5: plywood direct fixed to the framing.

998
00:57:52,575 --> 00:58:00,135
Speaker 6: It's it's fixed to a the framing with with new

999
00:58:00,215 --> 00:58:05,015
Speaker 6: you know, new paper and ply Yep, some of it

1000
00:58:05,135 --> 00:58:07,935
Speaker 6: some of the claarly we've taken the old clay was

1001
00:58:08,015 --> 00:58:11,855
Speaker 6: taken off, yes, which is fiber plank called aigdi plank,

1002
00:58:11,895 --> 00:58:16,615
Speaker 6: called ever it's called. That's taken off and you know, repaved, applied,

1003
00:58:16,975 --> 00:58:18,535
Speaker 6: and the shingles going over the top of that.

1004
00:58:19,015 --> 00:58:23,495
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, So the dilemmas you need six bundles of shingles.

1005
00:58:23,695 --> 00:58:25,855
Speaker 5: How many square meters in a bundle? Roughly, It's been

1006
00:58:25,855 --> 00:58:26,655
Speaker 5: a while since I've.

1007
00:58:26,535 --> 00:58:27,095
Speaker 2: Put some up.

1008
00:58:27,895 --> 00:58:29,535
Speaker 6: I think about three and a half.

1009
00:58:29,975 --> 00:58:32,095
Speaker 5: I was going to say it's about three. Feels like

1010
00:58:32,175 --> 00:58:35,575
Speaker 5: a yeah, yeah, I say, I do.

1011
00:58:36,215 --> 00:58:36,455
Speaker 9: I know.

1012
00:58:36,495 --> 00:58:38,895
Speaker 5: I made the comment about the color sleeping. I love

1013
00:58:38,975 --> 00:58:41,695
Speaker 5: doing shingles, and one of the happiest jobs I did

1014
00:58:41,695 --> 00:58:45,895
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago was replacing the shingles over

1015
00:58:45,935 --> 00:58:48,375
Speaker 5: an eyebrow on an old villa on a bay window,

1016
00:58:48,575 --> 00:58:52,095
Speaker 5: and often the center window has a little eyebrow, a

1017
00:58:52,095 --> 00:58:54,255
Speaker 5: little awning over the top of it, right, which is

1018
00:58:54,335 --> 00:58:58,375
Speaker 5: kind of ornamental. And then it's got the original Cali shingles,

1019
00:58:58,415 --> 00:59:00,655
Speaker 5: which were all ripped down so though they were exactly

1020
00:59:00,695 --> 00:59:05,215
Speaker 5: the same width, and then mited or basically they had

1021
00:59:05,255 --> 00:59:08,175
Speaker 5: like an arrowhead on them, a point on them. So

1022
00:59:08,295 --> 00:59:12,775
Speaker 5: when I replace those, I grab some new cedar shingles,

1023
00:59:13,455 --> 00:59:16,015
Speaker 5: rip them all down to the same size, cut them

1024
00:59:16,015 --> 00:59:17,815
Speaker 5: all so that they had the arrowhead on it, and

1025
00:59:18,215 --> 00:59:22,055
Speaker 5: reinstated it. And I mean, and I've done quite a

1026
00:59:22,215 --> 00:59:24,695
Speaker 5: on bungalows and that, you know, bay windows where your

1027
00:59:24,775 --> 00:59:29,935
Speaker 5: cedar underneath the window or a gable end for example. Yeah,

1028
00:59:29,975 --> 00:59:32,615
Speaker 5: I really do love doing them. I can understand where

1029
00:59:32,615 --> 00:59:35,655
Speaker 5: you're going for cedar shingles on the outside sounds great. Look,

1030
00:59:35,655 --> 00:59:38,015
Speaker 5: I tell you what best betters, go back to Hope

1031
00:59:38,015 --> 00:59:41,495
Speaker 5: my producer. Leave your number. If someone texts in and goes,

1032
00:59:41,655 --> 00:59:45,375
Speaker 5: actually I've got six bales of yellow cedar shingles and

1033
00:59:45,935 --> 00:59:48,575
Speaker 5: I can do you a deal, then that's great. Otherwise,

1034
00:59:48,815 --> 00:59:51,655
Speaker 5: I think unless you've rung around, you've probably gone to

1035
00:59:51,655 --> 00:59:53,735
Speaker 5: South Pacific, You've gone to Hernpack, You've gone to a

1036
00:59:53,735 --> 00:59:56,215
Speaker 5: couple of the other big suppliers. If they've have you

1037
00:59:56,255 --> 00:59:57,375
Speaker 5: tried South Pacific.

1038
00:59:57,135 --> 00:59:59,735
Speaker 6: Timber in Auckland, Yeah, yeah.

1039
00:59:59,455 --> 01:00:04,655
Speaker 5: Okay, that's who I typically buy shingles from. Hern Pack.

1040
01:00:06,375 --> 01:00:10,895
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, rosen Felt and Kitsen Yes, yeah, okay, you've

1041
01:00:10,935 --> 01:00:13,695
Speaker 5: had all the places that I would if someone happens

1042
01:00:13,695 --> 01:00:16,455
Speaker 5: to have sex bundles. They can contact Martin, leave you

1043
01:00:16,535 --> 01:00:18,015
Speaker 5: number with hope we'll see what happens.

1044
01:00:18,815 --> 01:00:19,455
Speaker 6: I appreciate it.

1045
01:00:20,055 --> 01:00:23,015
Speaker 5: Otherwise three months it'll still be summer. So don't worry

1046
01:00:23,055 --> 01:00:30,975
Speaker 5: about that. Take care. Oh what a dilemma. Look, it happens,

1047
01:00:31,415 --> 01:00:36,695
Speaker 5: you know, and inevitably you are either over order under order.

1048
01:00:37,535 --> 01:00:41,135
Speaker 5: It is a real skill to get just the right quantity,

1049
01:00:42,055 --> 01:00:44,775
Speaker 5: So I'm not giving them a hard time for that.

1050
01:00:45,975 --> 01:00:47,815
Speaker 5: A couple of texts that are come in with regard

1051
01:00:47,895 --> 01:00:50,975
Speaker 5: to the condensation, So this is the whole issue of

1052
01:00:51,375 --> 01:00:54,255
Speaker 5: moisture dripping out, So condensation dripping out of the ceiling

1053
01:00:54,415 --> 01:00:59,495
Speaker 5: vent pipe, so it's extraction from a laundry area and

1054
01:00:59,615 --> 01:01:02,055
Speaker 5: a bit of moisture drops out. So it seems like

1055
01:01:02,135 --> 01:01:05,655
Speaker 5: the consensus from people is pretty much along the lines

1056
01:01:05,815 --> 01:01:10,695
Speaker 5: of deducting has been maybe not quite correctly installed. It's

1057
01:01:10,735 --> 01:01:13,575
Speaker 5: too much of it, as going uphill the fan might

1058
01:01:13,575 --> 01:01:16,055
Speaker 5: be a bit underspect in terms of it's not pushing

1059
01:01:16,135 --> 01:01:20,015
Speaker 5: the moisture out. I always think that fans should be

1060
01:01:20,055 --> 01:01:22,695
Speaker 5: set to a timer which keeps them running for a

1061
01:01:22,735 --> 01:01:26,815
Speaker 5: period of time after you've actually turned them off, just

1062
01:01:26,895 --> 01:01:29,695
Speaker 5: to continue to do the extraction. And like the one

1063
01:01:29,695 --> 01:01:33,695
Speaker 5: that I picked up on Friday. This is the Simix

1064
01:01:33,735 --> 01:01:36,015
Speaker 5: one that I picked up. I'm going to test out.

1065
01:01:36,175 --> 01:01:39,055
Speaker 5: It has a humidity sensor on it, so it will

1066
01:01:39,095 --> 01:01:42,215
Speaker 5: continue to run when it senses that it needs to

1067
01:01:42,295 --> 01:01:45,535
Speaker 5: run and when it's not required in terms of registering

1068
01:01:45,815 --> 01:01:48,935
Speaker 5: the humidity in the room, it will continue to run

1069
01:01:49,215 --> 01:01:53,295
Speaker 5: essentially continuously at a very low level so that there's

1070
01:01:53,335 --> 01:01:55,335
Speaker 5: always airflow in the room. So it'll be interesting to

1071
01:01:55,335 --> 01:01:58,375
Speaker 5: see if that deals with this issue in a particular bathroom.

1072
01:01:59,015 --> 01:02:00,655
Speaker 5: Seven thirty one. Do we need to take a break?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Where are no?

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Speaker 5: Not yet? Yes, we do. Hang on, Mary, I'll be

1076
01:02:06,535 --> 01:02:08,335
Speaker 5: with you in just a moment. Just a couple of

1077
01:02:08,415 --> 01:02:11,055
Speaker 5: quick texts that have come in with regard to Michael's

1078
01:02:11,055 --> 01:02:14,175
Speaker 5: comments about replacing the ceiling. So this is an existing

1079
01:02:14,215 --> 01:02:16,735
Speaker 5: building that's about to become a rental, but isn't one

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01:02:16,815 --> 01:02:19,255
Speaker 5: right now, And that's an important point. One of the

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01:02:19,295 --> 01:02:24,815
Speaker 5: ceilings that was tested contains asbestos the material ACM, and

1082
01:02:24,855 --> 01:02:28,135
Speaker 5: so they've decided that they're going to remove that. The

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01:02:28,175 --> 01:02:32,855
Speaker 5: other ceilings look similar but are not don't contain any

1084
01:02:32,895 --> 01:02:36,455
Speaker 5: asbestos material in them, so there's no requirement or there's

1085
01:02:36,455 --> 01:02:41,175
Speaker 5: no urgent need to replace those. So the question was,

1086
01:02:41,175 --> 01:02:43,855
Speaker 5: look do I do it? And I, in that discussion said, well,

1087
01:02:43,895 --> 01:02:48,455
Speaker 5: I guess there's the potential for deductibility and someone has

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01:02:48,495 --> 01:02:50,815
Speaker 5: TechEd through it quite rightly. Hey Pete, but concerned that

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Speaker 5: you suggested that fixing the ceilings of a potential rental

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01:02:53,775 --> 01:02:56,135
Speaker 5: would be deductible. From a tax perspective, that would be

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01:02:56,175 --> 01:03:00,775
Speaker 5: a capital expense. Deductibility can be a complex matter, but

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01:03:00,935 --> 01:03:03,855
Speaker 5: in essence, the property has to be rented first in

1093
01:03:03,975 --> 01:03:07,975
Speaker 5: order to claim against income is done prior to being rented,

1094
01:03:08,015 --> 01:03:10,455
Speaker 5: then the cost is a capital one suggests you stick

1095
01:03:10,495 --> 01:03:12,815
Speaker 5: to your knitting. Thank you very much for the text. No,

1096
01:03:12,855 --> 01:03:16,655
Speaker 5: I appreciate it, and I'm not suggesting that it's not.

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01:03:18,015 --> 01:03:22,015
Speaker 5: He would need to make sure that he followed the regulations.

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01:03:22,055 --> 01:03:24,895
Speaker 5: If there is some opportunity for deductibility, then you've got

1099
01:03:24,935 --> 01:03:26,815
Speaker 5: to have the right conditions, and one of those is

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01:03:27,055 --> 01:03:29,455
Speaker 5: that the property has to be are rental rather than

1101
01:03:29,495 --> 01:03:31,815
Speaker 5: becoming a rental. So thanks very much for your texts.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate that someone's also calling me a hypocrite because

1103
01:03:34,895 --> 01:03:38,015
Speaker 5: I'm someone who detests people mowing their lawns on Sunday.

1104
01:03:38,295 --> 01:03:39,975
Speaker 5: The test might be a bit of a strong word,

1105
01:03:40,775 --> 01:03:42,855
Speaker 5: but you're going to be doing the water blasting on Sunday.

1106
01:03:43,175 --> 01:03:46,415
Speaker 5: Water blasting motor mowing. Not really the same thing. Not

1107
01:03:46,535 --> 01:03:49,695
Speaker 5: quite as noisy, not quite as that piercing sound. Actually,

1108
01:03:49,735 --> 01:03:54,935
Speaker 5: speaking about piercing sounds, here's a good teach email from Dave. Hey, Pete,

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01:03:54,935 --> 01:03:57,135
Speaker 5: can you give me the rules around the installation of

1110
01:03:57,175 --> 01:04:00,135
Speaker 5: a heat pump. Our neighbors have installed one and we

1111
01:04:00,175 --> 01:04:03,575
Speaker 5: can hear it throughout the house and outside on our deck.

1112
01:04:03,855 --> 01:04:06,655
Speaker 5: The houses are close together. This is modern living. The

1113
01:04:06,695 --> 01:04:08,895
Speaker 5: offending pump is about two and a half meters from

1114
01:04:09,015 --> 01:04:11,975
Speaker 5: our boundary and goes on for about twelve hours a day.

1115
01:04:12,375 --> 01:04:16,535
Speaker 5: Not sure if it hears the sound or their pool.

1116
01:04:16,735 --> 01:04:18,815
Speaker 5: I'm not sure what that is. Surely there must be

1117
01:04:18,855 --> 01:04:21,335
Speaker 5: rules about how much noise they can make. They say

1118
01:04:21,375 --> 01:04:25,055
Speaker 5: they don't see it as a problem. Thanks from Dave. Dave,

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01:04:25,175 --> 01:04:27,295
Speaker 5: I don't know if there are any specific rules. I

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01:04:27,295 --> 01:04:29,775
Speaker 5: would imagine that if the heat pump, the outdoor unit,

1121
01:04:29,855 --> 01:04:32,135
Speaker 5: was located on the boundary, you'd probably have a concern.

1122
01:04:32,455 --> 01:04:36,695
Speaker 5: Two and a half meters from the boundary. Do you

1123
01:04:36,735 --> 01:04:39,655
Speaker 5: have a right to say, hey, look, it's a bit annoying.

1124
01:04:39,695 --> 01:04:44,895
Speaker 5: I mean they can be noisy. I don't know if

1125
01:04:44,895 --> 01:04:46,615
Speaker 5: you know the answers to that. See me a text.

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01:04:46,655 --> 01:04:48,535
Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1127
01:04:48,535 --> 01:04:49,695
Speaker 5: to call Mary? Good morning?

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01:04:50,735 --> 01:04:52,855
Speaker 14: Yes hi? Now is it Peter or Peter?

1129
01:04:53,495 --> 01:04:56,175
Speaker 5: I don't mind. To be fair, let's stick with Pete.

1130
01:04:56,855 --> 01:05:00,215
Speaker 14: Okay, Well, I've got my Peter tucked up in bed still.

1131
01:05:00,255 --> 01:05:00,615
Speaker 12: All right?

1132
01:05:00,655 --> 01:05:02,335
Speaker 5: You leave them there and you chat away to me.

1133
01:05:03,175 --> 01:05:09,175
Speaker 14: Yes, well, our property six hundred and seventy five square meters.

1134
01:05:09,215 --> 01:05:12,935
Speaker 14: So we keep getting developers popping notes and you know,

1135
01:05:13,095 --> 01:05:16,735
Speaker 14: to buy the place, and we've been told they could.

1136
01:05:17,015 --> 01:05:19,935
Speaker 14: When they take it, they would pull our house down

1137
01:05:20,015 --> 01:05:25,295
Speaker 14: and put up for two or three story units whatever.

1138
01:05:25,975 --> 01:05:29,255
Speaker 14: Now I'm wondering, is it feasible for us to try

1139
01:05:29,255 --> 01:05:35,055
Speaker 14: and do that ourselves, perhaps, you know, get someone take

1140
01:05:35,135 --> 01:05:39,215
Speaker 14: the house away and then go and rent a property ourselves,

1141
01:05:39,295 --> 01:05:43,935
Speaker 14: and get someone to come and build the four places

1142
01:05:43,975 --> 01:05:47,335
Speaker 14: for us and on sell them. We'd have to get

1143
01:05:47,375 --> 01:05:51,135
Speaker 14: a mortgage on the property. Would that be feasible or

1144
01:05:51,135 --> 01:05:52,415
Speaker 14: would it cost too much?

1145
01:05:54,455 --> 01:05:58,975
Speaker 5: I guess it's feasible, but you would have to You've

1146
01:05:58,975 --> 01:06:01,695
Speaker 5: got to do your numbers, and you know, with the

1147
01:06:01,735 --> 01:06:06,255
Speaker 5: greatest respect, I've seen any number of sort of first

1148
01:06:06,535 --> 01:06:10,735
Speaker 5: time developers come a cropper in a massive way, right,

1149
01:06:12,455 --> 01:06:16,295
Speaker 5: you know, where they didn't get their numbers, or they're

1150
01:06:16,415 --> 01:06:19,255
Speaker 5: they're trying to do the project management themselves and they

1151
01:06:19,295 --> 01:06:22,775
Speaker 5: can't keep it control of the budget or the progress.

1152
01:06:22,855 --> 01:06:27,535
Speaker 5: They run into unexpected, you know, like if it's the

1153
01:06:27,575 --> 01:06:32,735
Speaker 5: successful developers that I know are obviously extremely experienced, right,

1154
01:06:32,775 --> 01:06:34,535
Speaker 5: so they can look at a site, they can figure

1155
01:06:34,535 --> 01:06:39,175
Speaker 5: out planning regulations, storewater regulations, resource consent, They've got their

1156
01:06:39,215 --> 01:06:43,055
Speaker 5: contractors lined up, they know what type of building methodology

1157
01:06:43,615 --> 01:06:47,215
Speaker 5: is cost effective. So if you have to try and

1158
01:06:47,415 --> 01:06:51,855
Speaker 5: learn all of that and do the development yourself, yes

1159
01:06:51,935 --> 01:06:54,895
Speaker 5: there is opportunity, but I would suggest that there is

1160
01:06:54,935 --> 01:06:56,495
Speaker 5: also significant risk.

1161
01:06:58,215 --> 01:07:06,935
Speaker 14: And dory I hate GJ gardener a high in places

1162
01:07:07,055 --> 01:07:10,255
Speaker 14: that they sound really reasonable and I thought, well, I'd

1163
01:07:10,295 --> 01:07:11,855
Speaker 14: just get someone to come and do it.

1164
01:07:12,255 --> 01:07:16,375
Speaker 5: Yes, well, that's certainly an option, and I've heard similar ads,

1165
01:07:16,415 --> 01:07:19,535
Speaker 5: and I know of a couple of people have done

1166
01:07:19,575 --> 01:07:21,975
Speaker 5: exactly that. You happen to be sitting on a piece

1167
01:07:21,975 --> 01:07:26,815
Speaker 5: of land that has development potential, but you would also

1168
01:07:27,255 --> 01:07:29,575
Speaker 5: before you even went into this, you'd need to go

1169
01:07:29,735 --> 01:07:33,095
Speaker 5: and get some maybe some independent planning advice as to

1170
01:07:33,175 --> 01:07:37,135
Speaker 5: what's feasible. You'd need to get someone to check things like,

1171
01:07:38,535 --> 01:07:42,015
Speaker 5: you know, accessibility to services. And again, you know, one

1172
01:07:42,055 --> 01:07:45,615
Speaker 5: of the risks of development is along the lines of Okay,

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01:07:46,215 --> 01:07:48,215
Speaker 5: I want to do it, but then council's going to

1174
01:07:48,295 --> 01:07:52,695
Speaker 5: require an upgrade to the wastewater system, for example, and

1175
01:07:52,975 --> 01:07:57,615
Speaker 5: suddenly I'm responsible for upgrading a council line, or I'm

1176
01:07:57,615 --> 01:08:01,695
Speaker 5: going to bridge over an existing line, or you know,

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01:08:02,655 --> 01:08:06,375
Speaker 5: even the cost of adding more water meters. You know,

1178
01:08:06,615 --> 01:08:10,335
Speaker 5: ten twelve years ago a water meter was about eighteen

1179
01:08:10,415 --> 01:08:14,455
Speaker 5: hundred dollars. Today in Auckland anyway, last time, well the

1180
01:08:14,495 --> 01:08:16,335
Speaker 5: last one that I was aware of, they are about

1181
01:08:16,375 --> 01:08:19,895
Speaker 5: fifteen thousand dollars per water meter. So you know, all

1182
01:08:19,935 --> 01:08:23,015
Speaker 5: of these things you've got to look at costs. And

1183
01:08:23,695 --> 01:08:26,975
Speaker 5: at the moment, all of the discussion among the developers

1184
01:08:27,095 --> 01:08:30,775
Speaker 5: is basically, we can't build houses for less than we

1185
01:08:30,815 --> 01:08:34,855
Speaker 5: can buy them, so people are not buying and the

1186
01:08:34,935 --> 01:08:37,415
Speaker 5: development thing has just falling off a cliff. Now it's

1187
01:08:37,455 --> 01:08:40,375
Speaker 5: coming back slowly, but for the last eighteen months or so,

1188
01:08:40,415 --> 01:08:41,695
Speaker 5: it's just falling off a cliff.

1189
01:08:41,895 --> 01:08:44,935
Speaker 14: So well, we're living in a street or the road.

1190
01:08:45,335 --> 01:08:50,455
Speaker 14: They've got that many houses pulled down and buildings going up.

1191
01:08:51,735 --> 01:08:58,095
Speaker 14: It's quite busy the on and of course too, we'd

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01:08:58,175 --> 01:09:01,575
Speaker 14: have to we wouldn't really get a discount. We'd have

1193
01:09:01,655 --> 01:09:04,095
Speaker 14: to pay the full price on the building, wouldn't we

1194
01:09:04,935 --> 01:09:08,135
Speaker 14: The developers would have all at their own price, their

1195
01:09:08,175 --> 01:09:08,815
Speaker 14: own cost.

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01:09:09,695 --> 01:09:12,695
Speaker 5: Again, the developers, you know, they'll they'll have contacts either

1197
01:09:12,735 --> 01:09:16,015
Speaker 5: with merchants or with suppliers, and you know they'll know

1198
01:09:16,175 --> 01:09:18,375
Speaker 5: where to go to get the best cost out that

1199
01:09:18,495 --> 01:09:19,895
Speaker 5: sort of thing. Yeah, all of that.

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01:09:20,375 --> 01:09:22,775
Speaker 14: So look, the many other things I had thought of

1201
01:09:22,895 --> 01:09:27,135
Speaker 14: then is quite often we've had land agents come around

1202
01:09:27,135 --> 01:09:29,615
Speaker 14: and they said, oh, look at that back that should

1203
01:09:29,695 --> 01:09:33,935
Speaker 14: be gone, and I realized we could perhaps sell hat,

1204
01:09:34,015 --> 01:09:37,055
Speaker 14: you know, across these the back section, but I'm not

1205
01:09:37,135 --> 01:09:40,935
Speaker 14: quite sure of the width on the side of the

1206
01:09:40,975 --> 01:09:44,495
Speaker 14: house where they'd have to come up, although the land

1207
01:09:44,575 --> 01:09:47,535
Speaker 14: agents have never questioned it. They've just looked out the

1208
01:09:47,615 --> 01:09:51,175
Speaker 14: back and said, oh, wow, you've got all that, So

1209
01:09:51,375 --> 01:09:52,295
Speaker 14: maybe that'd be.

1210
01:09:55,015 --> 01:09:57,375
Speaker 5: Tell you it's a gold plated opportunity in order to

1211
01:09:57,375 --> 01:10:00,495
Speaker 5: get the listing. So just that, I think that the

1212
01:10:00,575 --> 01:10:04,135
Speaker 5: most challenging thing for you will be finding someone to

1213
01:10:04,135 --> 01:10:06,855
Speaker 5: give you independent advice on us.

1214
01:10:06,855 --> 01:10:09,975
Speaker 14: And someone I look to to.

1215
01:10:09,695 --> 01:10:16,815
Speaker 5: Talk to, maybe a local planner. I mean, look by

1216
01:10:16,855 --> 01:10:19,695
Speaker 5: all the means, you know, I have an engagement with

1217
01:10:19,895 --> 01:10:22,775
Speaker 5: the company. I suppose. The hard thing is like anyone

1218
01:10:22,815 --> 01:10:26,295
Speaker 5: that you you talk to who is involved in the

1219
01:10:26,415 --> 01:10:29,575
Speaker 5: in the development game is going to want to encourage

1220
01:10:29,575 --> 01:10:32,415
Speaker 5: you to partner with them, right, So it's that independent

1221
01:10:32,455 --> 01:10:37,455
Speaker 5: advice is going to be the most challenging thing to get. Look,

1222
01:10:37,535 --> 01:10:40,815
Speaker 5: I'm not sure that I'm going to give you much

1223
01:10:40,855 --> 01:10:46,495
Speaker 5: more information and advice apart from great opportunity be.

1224
01:10:46,535 --> 01:10:52,215
Speaker 14: Cautious, yes, when that has in help anyway, Lovely, Mary.

1225
01:10:52,135 --> 01:10:55,495
Speaker 5: My pleasure, all the very best, Take care then, Hey, Nick,

1226
01:10:55,535 --> 01:10:57,935
Speaker 5: good morning, how are you?

1227
01:10:58,015 --> 01:10:58,215
Speaker 2: Hey?

1228
01:10:58,295 --> 01:10:59,775
Speaker 5: Good things good?

1229
01:10:59,815 --> 01:11:04,295
Speaker 9: Hey. Look, I'm thinking of purchasing a property and just

1230
01:11:04,335 --> 01:11:08,775
Speaker 9: in the process of doing my due diligence. Believe it's

1231
01:11:08,815 --> 01:11:12,895
Speaker 9: got the I guess monolithic clouding. It's going to fiberc

1232
01:11:13,055 --> 01:11:20,695
Speaker 9: ent board, what looks like textured stack directly, yes, DirectX ye.

1233
01:11:20,975 --> 01:11:23,695
Speaker 9: Just looking to get a little bit of advice in

1234
01:11:24,095 --> 01:11:26,895
Speaker 9: what to lookout for. I know it's got the overhanging eves.

1235
01:11:27,255 --> 01:11:29,655
Speaker 9: There seems to be good air floor around it. It's

1236
01:11:29,695 --> 01:11:33,215
Speaker 9: been painted regularly as far as I can tell. But

1237
01:11:33,455 --> 01:11:35,535
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm going to be getting a builder building

1238
01:11:35,535 --> 01:11:38,215
Speaker 9: inspection done on it, moisture test and all that sort

1239
01:11:38,255 --> 01:11:41,855
Speaker 9: of thing. But just is there any other science symptoms

1240
01:11:41,855 --> 01:11:42,495
Speaker 9: to look out for?

1241
01:11:42,935 --> 01:11:45,615
Speaker 5: Yeah? Again, I think the fact that even you're going

1242
01:11:45,615 --> 01:11:50,495
Speaker 5: to engage with hopefully a licensed professional, suitably qualified and

1243
01:11:50,615 --> 01:11:55,535
Speaker 5: experience to determine whether or not there's any moisture in

1244
01:11:55,615 --> 01:11:58,095
Speaker 5: gress issues is the best advice I could give you.

1245
01:11:58,175 --> 01:12:00,375
Speaker 5: So I think if your head down it. But you

1246
01:12:00,415 --> 01:12:03,495
Speaker 5: know what, we there's been a lot of discussion around

1247
01:12:03,535 --> 01:12:07,615
Speaker 5: the quality of pre purchased inspections. So make sure that

1248
01:12:07,655 --> 01:12:10,255
Speaker 5: the person that you're contracting to do the work is

1249
01:12:10,415 --> 01:12:14,095
Speaker 5: suitably qualified. You know, there are standards. There is a

1250
01:12:14,095 --> 01:12:17,775
Speaker 5: New Zealand standard for pre purchase inspections. Make sure the

1251
01:12:17,775 --> 01:12:22,255
Speaker 5: person has got some qualification, that they've got insurance in

1252
01:12:22,295 --> 01:12:26,135
Speaker 5: place so that if their advice is not that great

1253
01:12:26,615 --> 01:12:32,615
Speaker 5: that you know, they could cover themselves for that. So yeah,

1254
01:12:32,615 --> 01:12:36,255
Speaker 5: look again these Yeah, the one thing we know about

1255
01:12:36,255 --> 01:12:39,815
Speaker 5: these systems is they have been the source of enormous

1256
01:12:39,855 --> 01:12:43,095
Speaker 5: issues in terms of weather tightness. So I think if

1257
01:12:43,175 --> 01:12:45,735
Speaker 5: you told me ten different platting types and then you

1258
01:12:45,775 --> 01:12:48,055
Speaker 5: describe that one. I'd go, that's the one to be

1259
01:12:48,135 --> 01:12:51,255
Speaker 5: most cautious about, saying that. I also know systems that

1260
01:12:51,295 --> 01:12:56,415
Speaker 5: were installed twenty years ago that perform absolutely perfectly fine.

1261
01:12:56,575 --> 01:12:59,495
Speaker 5: So I'm also not making the assumption that every type

1262
01:12:59,495 --> 01:13:02,295
Speaker 5: of house with that building methodology or that clouding system

1263
01:13:02,535 --> 01:13:06,335
Speaker 5: will fail, but we do know lots that did so,

1264
01:13:06,655 --> 01:13:08,935
Speaker 5: and making sure you get really good sound advice from

1265
01:13:08,935 --> 01:13:10,735
Speaker 5: an experienced person is the way to go.

1266
01:13:11,535 --> 01:13:15,575
Speaker 9: That's great. Any ideas of any names out there that.

1267
01:13:16,375 --> 01:13:19,175
Speaker 5: Look if you you know, if you want to be

1268
01:13:19,175 --> 01:13:22,735
Speaker 5: absolutely sure, then if you go to the New Zealand

1269
01:13:22,735 --> 01:13:27,375
Speaker 5: Institute of Building Surveyors website. So registered building surveyors have

1270
01:13:27,415 --> 01:13:31,855
Speaker 5: a whole different qualification to them. They will have people

1271
01:13:31,855 --> 01:13:34,455
Speaker 5: that conduct pre purchase inspections. If they're a member of

1272
01:13:34,495 --> 01:13:38,575
Speaker 5: that organization, you can be pretty confident about their ability. Awesome,

1273
01:13:39,735 --> 01:13:41,615
Speaker 5: take care, good luck, all the best. Bye. By then

1274
01:13:41,935 --> 01:13:43,695
Speaker 5: I'm going to take short break, me back and just

1275
01:13:44,495 --> 01:13:46,095
Speaker 5: you and New Stork. Se'd be a little bit of

1276
01:13:46,135 --> 01:13:48,495
Speaker 5: an update for you as well. Are we project or

1277
01:13:48,535 --> 01:13:52,095
Speaker 5: actually not that we reasonably significant project that I've been

1278
01:13:52,095 --> 01:13:53,775
Speaker 5: working on the last couple of months or the team

1279
01:13:53,815 --> 01:13:57,135
Speaker 5: have been working on is to create some online content,

1280
01:13:57,215 --> 01:14:01,855
Speaker 5: to create some video content. So as of now, there

1281
01:14:01,935 --> 01:14:05,615
Speaker 5: is a resident Builder YouTube channel, which over time will

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Speaker 5: be populated with a whole bunch of videos, including things

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Speaker 5: about building consents, schedule, one of the act, working with

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Speaker 5: trades people, code of ethics, and so on, and over

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Speaker 5: time I'll populate it more and more so on YouTube

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Speaker 5: these days, if you search for resident Builder, you should

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Speaker 5: find it there. You can also go to just my

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Speaker 5: Facebook page, so resident Builder, there's a link there. The

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Speaker 5: first couple of sort of teaser videos will be uploaded shortly,

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Speaker 5: but there should be a lot of content coming up

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Speaker 5: over time on that particular platform as well. And I'll

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Speaker 5: let you know. We talk about insulation, and we talk

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Speaker 5: about compliance and inspections and those sorts of things. So

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Speaker 5: they as they emerge, I will talk to you about them.

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Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 5: to call Lynette.

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Speaker 13: Hello, Oh my goodness, thanks Quicks, thank you, good morning.

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Speaker 5: Mucking around on this show.

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Speaker 13: Just as well, I'm just ringing. I'm going thinking of

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01:15:05,215 --> 01:15:08,935
Speaker 13: going into a villag yes, you know, a retirement village.

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Speaker 13: Now it's up north round about the towerong I won't

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Speaker 13: mention any names. It's round about the Towerong Away and

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01:15:15,895 --> 01:15:19,135
Speaker 13: it's sort of not near the coast. Now they've sent

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Speaker 13: me a plan and everything, but my family keeps going

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01:15:22,615 --> 01:15:24,695
Speaker 13: on and asking me, I'm just about to sign the

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01:15:24,735 --> 01:15:27,375
Speaker 13: contract and you only have to put if you only

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01:15:27,415 --> 01:15:29,375
Speaker 13: have to put one thousand dollars down and you can

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Speaker 13: get a refund anyway. Our family keep going on, what

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Speaker 13: is it made of?

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Speaker 11: What is it this?

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01:15:34,095 --> 01:15:35,815
Speaker 13: And what is it that? And when is it going

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Speaker 13: to be built? You know, when is it going to

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Speaker 13: be ready to be occupied?

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Speaker 15: All this stuff?

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Speaker 13: So I wanted to know what I should be asking them,

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Speaker 13: if I should be asking them for a plan that

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Speaker 13: they submit to the council on all the materials and

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Speaker 13: everything that are going to be used, and what sort

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01:15:56,895 --> 01:16:00,295
Speaker 13: of heating and everything. Is there a plan that they

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Speaker 13: submit to the council.

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Speaker 5: Oh, undoubtedly it will require a building consent. Can I

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01:16:05,255 --> 01:16:10,415
Speaker 5: just say, Annie, I think that I mean this is

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Speaker 5: sort of I'm a little bit familiar with it because

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Speaker 5: my mum lives in a retirement village right and has

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Speaker 5: done for the last ten years. So well, Mum's next

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Speaker 5: birthday she'll be ninety two, so you know, oh well.

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Speaker 13: I'm eighty two, so that's springhee.

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Speaker 11: It'll be you know, so.

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Speaker 13: That if I go into one now, a lit'll b

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Speaker 13: be about the same thing I'll have got will be

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Speaker 13: there for the.

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Speaker 5: Next twenty years. Look, I tell you what I think,

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Speaker 5: you know, in terms of the construction and that sort

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Speaker 5: of thing. You know, the big operators, they're building for

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01:16:47,255 --> 01:16:50,095
Speaker 5: the long term, right, so durability of their buildings is

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Speaker 5: kind of it's their issue, not yours, because remember, what

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01:16:54,535 --> 01:16:58,255
Speaker 5: you're purchasing is a license to occupy. You're not going

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Speaker 5: to be responsible for the maintenance and for the upkeep

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Speaker 5: and those sorts of things. So in part, it's sort

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Speaker 5: of irrelevant in a sense for you to go.

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Speaker 4: Into all of that detail.

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Speaker 5: Like if there's an issue with the exterior cladding, you're

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01:17:14,335 --> 01:17:16,855
Speaker 5: not the one out there painting it. They are, you

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01:17:16,935 --> 01:17:20,055
Speaker 5: know what I mean. So I think, look, it is

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Speaker 5: advisable for you to get your own independent legal advice

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Speaker 5: before signing these contracts. And I've heard that from a

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01:17:27,335 --> 01:17:30,175
Speaker 5: number of lawyers over the years, is that you know,

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01:17:30,295 --> 01:17:33,015
Speaker 5: just to make sure that you know what's coming up,

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01:17:33,055 --> 01:17:36,895
Speaker 5: that you know what happens when you are no longer

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01:17:36,975 --> 01:17:41,095
Speaker 5: occupying the building, because that varies from provider to provide it.

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Speaker 5: So it's it's more a legal question than a building one.

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Speaker 5: I feel.

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Speaker 13: Right the price of eight hundred and sixty, I suppose

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01:17:53,135 --> 01:17:55,215
Speaker 13: that's reasonable anyway.

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Speaker 5: It's much of the discussion at the moment is around

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Speaker 5: what happens when you don't occupy. You know, when you've

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01:18:01,015 --> 01:18:03,535
Speaker 5: finished with the occupation of the building. You know, some

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01:18:03,575 --> 01:18:07,855
Speaker 5: of them allow for capital gains, some don't have high

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01:18:08,295 --> 01:18:11,495
Speaker 5: fees at the end, et cetera, et cetera. But those

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Speaker 5: are their their legal issues, and I suggest that you

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01:18:14,935 --> 01:18:18,935
Speaker 5: do get independent legal advice. Like with any contract, make

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01:18:18,975 --> 01:18:20,975
Speaker 5: sure that somebody who knows what they're looking at looks

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Speaker 5: over it. I would do exactly the same thing, and

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Speaker 5: certainly we did when our parents looked at moving in.

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Speaker 13: So yes, yes, you know that that goes I did

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Speaker 13: ask them, because they have they have the their place,

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01:18:37,135 --> 01:18:39,935
Speaker 13: they have you get the full capital gain if you

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Speaker 13: leave the place. But of course if they might want

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Speaker 13: to do a refurbish, that's the thing, mightn't they Then.

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Speaker 5: You need to look at what those fees are and

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Speaker 5: those sorts of things you know, so independent legal advice.

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Speaker 5: Talk to your lawyer, have them locked through it for you,

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Speaker 5: and then go ahead, and I wish you all the best.

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Speaker 5: It is but it's an investment in your future, so

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Speaker 5: hope it all goes well for you.

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Speaker 13: Hey, thanks very much.

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Speaker 5: Mike, keasure take care right, all the best bye by

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01:19:09,175 --> 01:19:14,415
Speaker 5: then oh Man got a heap of texts about Mary's issue.

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01:19:14,495 --> 01:19:16,735
Speaker 5: So sitting on six hundred and seventy five square meters

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Speaker 5: potential development, including this one. Hey, Pete, low blow to

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Speaker 5: the real estate agents. Hey, some of my best friends

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Speaker 5: are real estate agents. I've recently been involved Da da

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01:19:28,615 --> 01:19:30,375
Speaker 5: da da da. Where is it? Where's it gone? Where's

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Speaker 5: it gone?

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Speaker 2: Where it's gone?

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Speaker 5: I've recently been involved in the rebuild. Lots of other

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01:19:34,295 --> 01:19:37,535
Speaker 5: people are unprofessional, including all of the chippies. So don't

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Speaker 5: go knocking the real estate agents. Is the gist of

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01:19:39,815 --> 01:19:41,775
Speaker 5: that one. No, I'm not knocking them. I'm just saying that,

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Speaker 5: you know, in the end, if you're to get advice,

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01:19:45,375 --> 01:19:47,175
Speaker 5: you want to feel that you're getting advice from someone

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01:19:47,175 --> 01:19:51,815
Speaker 5: who doesn't have a vested interest in it. Right, that's

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01:19:51,935 --> 01:19:57,255
Speaker 5: independent advice, and maybe that's real estate agent, maybe it's

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01:19:57,255 --> 01:20:00,375
Speaker 5: a developer. Maybe it's a planner, but it's got to

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01:20:00,375 --> 01:20:03,015
Speaker 5: be independent. You've got to feel confident that it's independent.

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Speaker 5: So I think that's interesting. A couple of other people

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01:20:05,615 --> 01:20:07,535
Speaker 5: have said, hey, look we we've done projects and we've

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01:20:07,615 --> 01:20:11,015
Speaker 5: used companies and they've been excellent. Other people are saying, hey, look,

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Speaker 5: you know you're probably up for between four to five

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01:20:14,655 --> 01:20:18,495
Speaker 5: hundred thousand dollars worth of investment before you even get

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01:20:18,495 --> 01:20:23,735
Speaker 5: to build them. So in terms of planning, infrastructure upgrades, excavation,

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01:20:24,015 --> 01:20:25,695
Speaker 5: removal of the house and that sort of thing. So

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01:20:26,175 --> 01:20:30,015
Speaker 5: do you have access to those sorts of funds and

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01:20:30,575 --> 01:20:34,015
Speaker 5: you can you basically afford to do it and be

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01:20:34,095 --> 01:20:36,415
Speaker 5: there at the end and be confident that you're making

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01:20:36,455 --> 01:20:39,095
Speaker 5: some profit out of it. So it's an interesting one.

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Speaker 5: After the break, Malcolm Fleming. I caught up with him.

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Speaker 5: We're going to catch up with him after the break.

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Speaker 5: He is the chief executive of Certified Builders New Zealand.

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01:20:49,615 --> 01:20:52,695
Speaker 5: When the government started talking you're a Newstalk ZB it

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01:20:52,735 --> 01:20:54,855
Speaker 5: could climb past at eight thirty. But in a moment,

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Speaker 5: Malcolm Fleming z B. Malcolm Fleming, thank you very much

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Speaker 5: for joining me in the studio today. I really appreciate

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01:21:02,095 --> 01:21:05,135
Speaker 5: the time that we can spend together. So just tell

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01:21:05,175 --> 01:21:09,095
Speaker 5: us about your role as chief executive Certified Builders and

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01:21:09,295 --> 01:21:11,895
Speaker 5: broadly what specified builders do within the industry.

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Speaker 16: Well pleased to be here. First of all, Pete New

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Speaker 16: Zealand Certified Billers. I'm the chief executive. I've been there

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01:21:17,775 --> 01:21:20,815
Speaker 16: for a little over two years now, so I have

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01:21:20,895 --> 01:21:24,815
Speaker 16: a team of a little one to twenty people and

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01:21:24,855 --> 01:21:30,255
Speaker 16: we have two offices at Torona in Wellington. So that's

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01:21:30,255 --> 01:21:33,535
Speaker 16: what we're about. In terms of New Zealand Certified Builders,

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01:21:34,095 --> 01:21:36,895
Speaker 16: we have three thousand members. It's quite a big footprint.

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01:21:37,455 --> 01:21:40,615
Speaker 16: The bulk of that is two thousand, three hundred business

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01:21:40,655 --> 01:21:44,855
Speaker 16: members and the advert size of those business operations would

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01:21:44,895 --> 01:21:48,295
Speaker 16: be four to six. We do have outliers of up

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01:21:48,335 --> 01:21:51,295
Speaker 16: to two hundred, but pretty much just for six people.

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01:21:52,415 --> 01:21:56,655
Speaker 16: The big thing with indied CB members business level would

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Speaker 16: individual that they must be trade qualified in carpentry. That's

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01:22:00,215 --> 01:22:03,695
Speaker 16: how prerequisite membership, something we're really proud of. So as

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01:22:03,735 --> 01:22:06,015
Speaker 16: well as those twenty three hundred business members with a

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01:22:06,415 --> 01:22:08,735
Speaker 16: director's trade qualified was they have another four hundred and

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01:22:08,775 --> 01:22:11,615
Speaker 16: fifty individual members who trade qualified and they might be

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Speaker 16: working at a merchant or a Politech and so forth,

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01:22:15,015 --> 01:22:18,455
Speaker 16: and more recently, I've got two hundred training members, which

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01:22:18,495 --> 01:22:23,415
Speaker 16: are apprentices in training they who work for NDCB business members.

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Speaker 5: Okay, might talk about training and pathways forward a little

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01:22:27,255 --> 01:22:29,735
Speaker 5: bit later on. The reason I wanted to reach out

1439
01:22:30,215 --> 01:22:34,375
Speaker 5: is I have been absolutely fascinated and captivated by the

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01:22:34,455 --> 01:22:39,255
Speaker 5: public discourse around building and building science and code changes

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01:22:39,415 --> 01:22:42,375
Speaker 5: that's in a sense being prompted by a change of

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01:22:42,375 --> 01:22:44,855
Speaker 5: government a new minister, Chris Penk who I had the

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01:22:44,855 --> 01:22:48,655
Speaker 5: opportunity to interview a couple of weeks ago, and I

1444
01:22:48,695 --> 01:22:51,415
Speaker 5: suppose they've made it very clear that their intents to

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01:22:51,615 --> 01:22:56,095
Speaker 5: try and speed up building, to add efficiency and ideally

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01:22:56,135 --> 01:22:59,295
Speaker 5: to reduce cost. And so the idea that was floated

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01:22:59,455 --> 01:23:03,175
Speaker 5: is the Minister seemingly has had a discussion with people

1448
01:23:03,175 --> 01:23:07,495
Speaker 5: who have indicated that well, changing h one increasing the standards,

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01:23:07,495 --> 01:23:10,135
Speaker 5: which came into effect last year in November, is going

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01:23:10,175 --> 01:23:12,495
Speaker 5: to add forty to fifty thousand dollars to the cost

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01:23:12,495 --> 01:23:15,015
Speaker 5: of a house. And I guess if you're a politician,

1452
01:23:15,055 --> 01:23:17,375
Speaker 5: you'd look at that and go, gosh, I can save

1453
01:23:17,455 --> 01:23:19,655
Speaker 5: New Zealanders fifty thousand dollars on the cost of their

1454
01:23:19,695 --> 01:23:23,015
Speaker 5: building by rolling back H one and so that was

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01:23:23,095 --> 01:23:25,935
Speaker 5: what was put out right, that's the moot for the discussion.

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01:23:26,455 --> 01:23:30,215
Speaker 5: The response has been fascinating because a number of groups

1457
01:23:30,215 --> 01:23:33,295
Speaker 5: have come forward to go, hold on, we don't agree

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01:23:33,335 --> 01:23:36,375
Speaker 5: with those figures. We certainly don't agree with it. In principle.

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01:23:37,375 --> 01:23:40,855
Speaker 5: Our building code is arguably a number of generations behind

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01:23:40,895 --> 01:23:44,575
Speaker 5: similar countries around the world. And then I read with

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01:23:44,655 --> 01:23:48,175
Speaker 5: real interest that yourselves, I guess as a builders group,

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01:23:48,655 --> 01:23:51,415
Speaker 5: have come forward and said, actually we don't agree either,

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01:23:51,615 --> 01:23:53,815
Speaker 5: and more to the point, we're going to prove it.

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01:23:53,935 --> 01:23:57,615
Speaker 5: So just walk me through that response to that government

1465
01:23:58,895 --> 01:24:01,855
Speaker 5: discussion around let's wind back H one and it's going

1466
01:24:01,895 --> 01:24:03,855
Speaker 5: to cost fifty grand. Where did your numbers end up?

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01:24:04,735 --> 01:24:08,495
Speaker 16: So we did two things which the Minister is aware of.

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01:24:09,295 --> 01:24:12,255
Speaker 16: So talking to the Minister a couple of weeks before

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01:24:12,295 --> 01:24:16,375
Speaker 16: the story broke, we indicated that well, one that the

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01:24:16,455 --> 01:24:21,135
Speaker 16: NDEDCB would not be in support a reversal of H

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Speaker 16: one and just picking up on your remarks, what is

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Speaker 16: H one? So it's an increased insulation level, getting us

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01:24:29,655 --> 01:24:33,775
Speaker 16: closer New Zealand closer to where we should be aligned

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01:24:33,895 --> 01:24:37,135
Speaker 16: with international companies that we look up to. It should

1475
01:24:37,135 --> 01:24:40,575
Speaker 16: aspire to and H one's regulation. So it's not a

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01:24:40,615 --> 01:24:43,775
Speaker 16: new regulation, there's an upgrade of a regulation. And this

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01:24:43,895 --> 01:24:47,335
Speaker 16: upgrade in twentyy three was a big jump up. And

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01:24:47,415 --> 01:24:51,775
Speaker 16: we talked about at the time that when they went

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01:24:51,815 --> 01:24:55,055
Speaker 16: out with their proposals and submissions they were unundated. Is

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01:24:55,095 --> 01:24:58,375
Speaker 16: one of the largest number of submissions that they'd received

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01:24:59,055 --> 01:25:03,055
Speaker 16: in the main very positive and supportive of the change.

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01:25:03,135 --> 01:25:06,895
Speaker 16: So it's quite a big thing time. And this was

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01:25:07,175 --> 01:25:11,215
Speaker 16: talking about the anecdotal forty to fifty thousand yes number

1484
01:25:11,695 --> 01:25:14,335
Speaker 16: we indicated to them. We thought that was too high.

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01:25:15,135 --> 01:25:18,255
Speaker 16: We under talked to do some work with our members

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01:25:18,295 --> 01:25:21,735
Speaker 16: and survey them. So we did two things. One, we

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01:25:21,735 --> 01:25:25,375
Speaker 16: did that survey and we got about eighty responses from

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01:25:25,415 --> 01:25:29,415
Speaker 16: our members and there was a variety of size homes

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01:25:29,455 --> 01:25:33,695
Speaker 16: in there, and there's a variety of values in them.

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01:25:34,175 --> 01:25:37,415
Speaker 16: And so we looked at the data set and pulling

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01:25:37,415 --> 01:25:39,815
Speaker 16: out some outliers, like there was a six million dollar

1492
01:25:39,855 --> 01:25:41,575
Speaker 16: home in the set and a nine point four million

1493
01:25:41,615 --> 01:25:45,415
Speaker 16: dollar home in the set, taking those typical New Zealand

1494
01:25:46,055 --> 01:25:49,495
Speaker 16: not maybe the forty fifty thousand dollars a cost was

1495
01:25:49,775 --> 01:25:54,335
Speaker 16: for shape figure home. But so it came out a

1496
01:25:54,375 --> 01:25:57,855
Speaker 16: little bit, asked our members to deconstruct their last new

1497
01:25:57,895 --> 01:26:01,695
Speaker 16: built and create a value on that, and it came

1498
01:26:01,735 --> 01:26:05,095
Speaker 16: out just a touch over eighteen thousand dollars, and we

1499
01:26:05,095 --> 01:26:07,895
Speaker 16: had indicated to the Minister we're ten to twenty k

1500
01:26:08,695 --> 01:26:12,655
Speaker 16: adding in the outliers. It was still under nineteen thousand

1501
01:26:12,735 --> 01:26:16,295
Speaker 16: dollars additional, but we took that a step further. We're

1502
01:26:16,335 --> 01:26:19,695
Speaker 16: just developing with one of the largest architectural practices in

1503
01:26:19,695 --> 01:26:22,415
Speaker 16: his z own design, Grip Stable with an Elliott, the

1504
01:26:22,455 --> 01:26:24,975
Speaker 16: first two of what will be a suite of what

1505
01:26:24,975 --> 01:26:30,295
Speaker 16: we called NJEDCB Studio. So architect designed homes really smart,

1506
01:26:30,575 --> 01:26:33,855
Speaker 16: want them to be affordable. Sustainability a big driver of

1507
01:26:33,895 --> 01:26:39,655
Speaker 16: that when we're costing those up with your QS, which

1508
01:26:39,695 --> 01:26:42,495
Speaker 16: is a QS firm that we have a relationship with.

1509
01:26:43,255 --> 01:26:50,695
Speaker 16: They put us together with Matt Douda over at Ebos

1510
01:26:51,695 --> 01:26:54,655
Speaker 16: and they were looking for a case study for H one,

1511
01:26:55,335 --> 01:26:59,855
Speaker 16: so we agreed that we'd use these first two designs

1512
01:26:59,895 --> 01:27:03,815
Speaker 16: for to be studio. It was ninety two square meter

1513
01:27:03,895 --> 01:27:07,015
Speaker 16: two bedroom home and one hundred and four square meter

1514
01:27:07,095 --> 01:27:10,815
Speaker 16: three bedroom home as though as case studies. So we

1515
01:27:10,855 --> 01:27:16,215
Speaker 16: wound back the insallation requirements for those builds to the

1516
01:27:16,255 --> 01:27:20,135
Speaker 16: beer basics to adhere to the new H one regulation. Yep,

1517
01:27:21,775 --> 01:27:25,175
Speaker 16: the findings of that. But for the two bedroom home,

1518
01:27:25,415 --> 01:27:30,735
Speaker 16: we looked at what additional cost does each one create

1519
01:27:31,095 --> 01:27:34,855
Speaker 16: over in above twenty twenty three four another previous H

1520
01:27:34,895 --> 01:27:38,295
Speaker 16: one to the cost of these builds under the schedule method,

1521
01:27:38,535 --> 01:27:41,295
Speaker 16: which is often to referred to as the blunt instrument,

1522
01:27:41,375 --> 01:27:45,295
Speaker 16: it is. Yes, So it's looking at each elevation, looking

1523
01:27:45,335 --> 01:27:48,055
Speaker 16: at the floor, looking at the ceiling, each different aspect

1524
01:27:48,095 --> 01:27:50,335
Speaker 16: of the build and trying to get one hundred percent

1525
01:27:50,455 --> 01:27:52,055
Speaker 16: on each of those aspects.

1526
01:27:52,135 --> 01:27:52,375
Speaker 6: Yep.

1527
01:27:53,615 --> 01:27:57,055
Speaker 16: Using that blunt instrument approach the schedule for the two

1528
01:27:57,055 --> 01:28:02,055
Speaker 16: bedroom it added eleven four hundred dollars to the cost.

1529
01:28:03,135 --> 01:28:06,815
Speaker 16: What was really interesting then we overlaid that would it

1530
01:28:06,935 --> 01:28:10,895
Speaker 16: be if we use the more sophisticated calculation method, Yes,

1531
01:28:10,935 --> 01:28:13,295
Speaker 16: which a designer an architect can do. In this case,

1532
01:28:13,335 --> 01:28:16,535
Speaker 16: our architect did, and it was really interesting that for

1533
01:28:16,575 --> 01:28:19,695
Speaker 16: the two bedroom it became a negative value. It was

1534
01:28:19,735 --> 01:28:21,375
Speaker 16: thirteen hundred dollars less.

1535
01:28:21,495 --> 01:28:22,255
Speaker 5: It's a saving.

1536
01:28:22,455 --> 01:28:25,455
Speaker 16: It was a saving which is quite extraordinary. But if

1537
01:28:25,495 --> 01:28:27,535
Speaker 16: I go to the three bedroom example, which is one

1538
01:28:27,615 --> 01:28:29,615
Speaker 16: hundred and forty square meter, so it's getting more up

1539
01:28:29,655 --> 01:28:30,855
Speaker 16: to an average size.

1540
01:28:30,895 --> 01:28:32,495
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's more typical, more typical.

1541
01:28:32,615 --> 01:28:32,815
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1542
01:28:33,175 --> 01:28:37,855
Speaker 16: So the scheduling method, the blunt instrument, added two thousand,

1543
01:28:38,015 --> 01:28:41,055
Speaker 16: six hundred dollars to what it would have been under

1544
01:28:41,095 --> 01:28:45,335
Speaker 16: the previous H one regulation that dropped with the calculation

1545
01:28:45,495 --> 01:28:49,295
Speaker 16: method to an additional two thousand, one hundred and seventy

1546
01:28:49,375 --> 01:28:55,655
Speaker 16: nine Quite a disparate difference between forty to fifty K.

1547
01:28:56,095 --> 01:29:00,015
Speaker 16: So what we were pleased to do with e BOSS

1548
01:29:00,455 --> 01:29:03,055
Speaker 16: and your QS and design GRAPS table is actually gives

1549
01:29:03,135 --> 01:29:08,415
Speaker 16: some hard some data hard to the argument.

1550
01:29:08,455 --> 01:29:10,295
Speaker 5: Because this is sometimes the thing that goes on in

1551
01:29:10,295 --> 01:29:14,335
Speaker 5: building sites where you know, opinions, everyone's got them right,

1552
01:29:14,735 --> 01:29:18,895
Speaker 5: but they're often based on speculation and heressay and kind

1553
01:29:18,935 --> 01:29:22,375
Speaker 5: of a wishful thinking. Whereas what I like about so

1554
01:29:22,495 --> 01:29:25,375
Speaker 5: much of the public response to this has been hang on,

1555
01:29:25,735 --> 01:29:28,655
Speaker 5: I've done the numbers. Here's the numbers, right, and you've

1556
01:29:28,655 --> 01:29:29,975
Speaker 5: got very specific numbers.

1557
01:29:30,015 --> 01:29:30,215
Speaker 2: Now.

1558
01:29:32,055 --> 01:29:35,775
Speaker 5: Just one of your early comments when you're talking to

1559
01:29:35,935 --> 01:29:39,735
Speaker 5: your members, where do they think the most expense is

1560
01:29:39,775 --> 01:29:44,055
Speaker 5: coming from? My understanding is, for example, that if you're

1561
01:29:44,095 --> 01:29:46,295
Speaker 5: going to go with joinery that's compliant with the new

1562
01:29:46,415 --> 01:29:49,015
Speaker 5: H one standards, the joinery is probably going to be

1563
01:29:49,055 --> 01:29:51,935
Speaker 5: more expensive. Would that be your number one item in

1564
01:29:52,015 --> 01:29:53,375
Speaker 5: terms of additional cost.

1565
01:29:53,415 --> 01:29:55,815
Speaker 16: Yes, it would be right. So there's quite a jump

1566
01:29:56,215 --> 01:30:00,895
Speaker 16: in the window requirements thermal bridging, yes, the amount of insulation,

1567
01:30:01,135 --> 01:30:05,415
Speaker 16: the use of low eglass YEP for example, and that's

1568
01:30:05,495 --> 01:30:09,815
Speaker 16: ro It's important to note that in all buildings, the

1569
01:30:09,855 --> 01:30:14,975
Speaker 16: greatest area of thermal transfer is outside, is through the jrawnry,

1570
01:30:15,095 --> 01:30:18,335
Speaker 16: through the windows, so that's the area that you've really

1571
01:30:18,415 --> 01:30:22,095
Speaker 16: got to strengthen them just around. Just to make the comment,

1572
01:30:22,175 --> 01:30:24,775
Speaker 16: those numbers that I've been talking about, even though we

1573
01:30:24,855 --> 01:30:27,775
Speaker 16: use insulation, we're talking about a package. We're talking about

1574
01:30:27,775 --> 01:30:32,935
Speaker 16: their jownery and windows in there as well. Yes. A

1575
01:30:32,975 --> 01:30:38,575
Speaker 16: point that I certainly made during this conversation two months

1576
01:30:38,695 --> 01:30:43,255
Speaker 16: or so ago, when this is quite topical, is that

1577
01:30:44,095 --> 01:30:47,775
Speaker 16: the H one regulations, when they change them, drove demand

1578
01:30:48,295 --> 01:30:57,055
Speaker 16: for increased specification in window drawnery glazing. The manufacturing sector

1579
01:30:57,215 --> 01:31:00,335
Speaker 16: responded by gearing up to be able to provide that.

1580
01:31:01,015 --> 01:31:04,815
Speaker 16: So new plant and machinery absolutely, and some of them

1581
01:31:04,815 --> 01:31:06,735
Speaker 16: have spend millions and not tens of millions. It's an

1582
01:31:06,735 --> 01:31:11,135
Speaker 16: additional capacity be able to store it low eglass has

1583
01:31:11,135 --> 01:31:15,455
Speaker 16: a shelf life right what we're in danger of hair

1584
01:31:16,575 --> 01:31:18,775
Speaker 16: which a number of us made the point of at

1585
01:31:18,815 --> 01:31:22,895
Speaker 16: the time in the media. If you withdraw the regulation,

1586
01:31:23,495 --> 01:31:27,415
Speaker 16: you take away the demand. What signal are you sending

1587
01:31:27,495 --> 01:31:32,095
Speaker 16: to business end z that you're going to reverse a

1588
01:31:32,175 --> 01:31:36,695
Speaker 16: regulation and reduce take away a demand. And we know

1589
01:31:36,815 --> 01:31:40,415
Speaker 16: the demand will will be taken away because in April

1590
01:31:40,455 --> 01:31:44,735
Speaker 16: twenty twenty three, the month before that when regulation came

1591
01:31:44,775 --> 01:31:48,895
Speaker 16: intoffect in May twenty twenty three, there was a peak

1592
01:31:49,215 --> 01:31:54,535
Speaker 16: in residential building sense people exactly.

1593
01:31:55,015 --> 01:32:00,455
Speaker 5: Absolutely. I guess it's more of a political question now

1594
01:32:00,575 --> 01:32:03,935
Speaker 5: is where do you think the Minister and mb you know,

1595
01:32:04,055 --> 01:32:06,655
Speaker 5: are going to go Given that they've said they want

1596
01:32:06,655 --> 01:32:09,175
Speaker 5: to make some changes. Are they going to make changes?

1597
01:32:09,215 --> 01:32:11,295
Speaker 5: Do you think they will actually go ahead and wind

1598
01:32:11,335 --> 01:32:12,095
Speaker 5: back each one?

1599
01:32:12,375 --> 01:32:17,655
Speaker 16: I give the Minister his jues. He has instructed his

1600
01:32:18,055 --> 01:32:21,815
Speaker 16: officials to get some QS pricing of their own. Yes,

1601
01:32:21,855 --> 01:32:25,775
Speaker 16: he is listening. I'm aware that he has been out

1602
01:32:25,935 --> 01:32:30,735
Speaker 16: to visit one of the jowry manufacturers that have geared

1603
01:32:30,815 --> 01:32:33,935
Speaker 16: up significantly and he's seen firsthand. He's gone out there

1604
01:32:34,015 --> 01:32:37,375
Speaker 16: and listen and talk to industry and starting to get

1605
01:32:37,415 --> 01:32:41,455
Speaker 16: the data. My view is a very is a practical man.

1606
01:32:41,535 --> 01:32:45,095
Speaker 16: He will listen, and I think he's got an opportunity

1607
01:32:45,135 --> 01:32:48,095
Speaker 16: to say I've listened to the industry, I've seen the data,

1608
01:32:48,495 --> 01:32:50,135
Speaker 16: and I'll make my decision on that basis.

1609
01:32:50,255 --> 01:32:53,775
Speaker 5: So here's my pick. I think, and for very good reason,

1610
01:32:54,255 --> 01:32:58,895
Speaker 5: the schedule method might just be binned, right, And that

1611
01:32:59,095 --> 01:33:03,015
Speaker 5: the challenge for government is that we still have a

1612
01:33:03,055 --> 01:33:07,175
Speaker 5: perception that, you know, building is simple, and in a

1613
01:33:07,255 --> 01:33:09,615
Speaker 5: sense it is, and then at the same time it's

1614
01:33:09,655 --> 01:33:14,615
Speaker 5: incredibly complex, right, And so there is an inherent appeal

1615
01:33:14,975 --> 01:33:16,935
Speaker 5: to the idea that you can get a book three

1616
01:33:17,055 --> 01:33:19,255
Speaker 5: six o four, you can go through, look at the

1617
01:33:19,295 --> 01:33:24,215
Speaker 5: different tables and build a house, and that the calculation

1618
01:33:24,375 --> 01:33:28,855
Speaker 5: method seems like a dark art, that no, it's indecipherable

1619
01:33:28,935 --> 01:33:32,735
Speaker 5: to most human beings and so on. Whereas I think

1620
01:33:32,775 --> 01:33:34,975
Speaker 5: the schedule method and the fact that they went and

1621
01:33:35,015 --> 01:33:37,695
Speaker 5: said it's R six point six in every single ceiling

1622
01:33:38,215 --> 01:33:42,615
Speaker 5: right across the country Kai Tiet in Vicago, that was nonsensical, right,

1623
01:33:42,655 --> 01:33:45,215
Speaker 5: And I don't know the thinking behind putting our six

1624
01:33:45,215 --> 01:33:47,895
Speaker 5: point six in when all of the evidence would say,

1625
01:33:48,015 --> 01:33:50,815
Speaker 5: in fact, for many areas it has little to no

1626
01:33:50,935 --> 01:33:53,695
Speaker 5: benefit to go that high, but it's there, and so

1627
01:33:53,735 --> 01:33:57,735
Speaker 5: it freaked everybody out. Trust manufacturers started doing weird stuff

1628
01:33:57,735 --> 01:34:00,415
Speaker 5: with big heel trusses and so on. You know, I

1629
01:34:00,455 --> 01:34:03,255
Speaker 5: just wonder whether the schedule method will eventually be sort

1630
01:34:03,255 --> 01:34:06,295
Speaker 5: of sidelined and we move everyone to the calculation method.

1631
01:34:06,615 --> 01:34:09,415
Speaker 5: And again, it's fascinating to see that the calculation method

1632
01:34:09,815 --> 01:34:12,815
Speaker 5: was very expensive for a long time and indecipherable right

1633
01:34:12,855 --> 01:34:15,175
Speaker 5: and accessible. I was with a guy the other day.

1634
01:34:15,335 --> 01:34:18,695
Speaker 5: He's offering calculation method for a modest house for about

1635
01:34:18,735 --> 01:34:21,375
Speaker 5: six to seven hundred dollars. Now, why wouldn't you have

1636
01:34:21,455 --> 01:34:24,535
Speaker 5: a more nuanced approach to designing your house for energy

1637
01:34:24,535 --> 01:34:28,655
Speaker 5: efficiency and that upfront cost, Well, you've quoted the figures there.

1638
01:34:28,975 --> 01:34:31,415
Speaker 5: Schedule method might be eleven thousand dollars. If you did

1639
01:34:31,455 --> 01:34:35,015
Speaker 5: the calculation method, you're saving twelve hundred bucks. Why don't

1640
01:34:35,015 --> 01:34:36,495
Speaker 5: we just get better at building?

1641
01:34:37,295 --> 01:34:40,775
Speaker 16: And think, we've only a little over a year into this.

1642
01:34:41,215 --> 01:34:43,535
Speaker 16: So this is one of those things that it's working

1643
01:34:43,815 --> 01:34:46,535
Speaker 16: our way through and it is becoming really apparent that

1644
01:34:46,575 --> 01:34:49,855
Speaker 16: there was a lot of benefits to the homeowner who's

1645
01:34:49,855 --> 01:34:53,455
Speaker 16: paying the bill to use the calculation method. And if

1646
01:34:53,495 --> 01:34:56,455
Speaker 16: it costs a little bit extra, and sometimes it doesn't

1647
01:34:56,455 --> 01:34:59,535
Speaker 16: because you're using the designer. The architect is designing a

1648
01:34:59,615 --> 01:35:01,895
Speaker 16: home to be able to do that for you. But

1649
01:35:01,975 --> 01:35:04,655
Speaker 16: even it is like you're citing a modest amount to

1650
01:35:04,695 --> 01:35:07,415
Speaker 16: get the work done and the payback on the capitol

1651
01:35:08,135 --> 01:35:10,775
Speaker 16: up front. Yeah, it's so great. Why wouldn't I do it?

1652
01:35:11,175 --> 01:35:13,895
Speaker 5: And you know, from your perspective and working with your members,

1653
01:35:13,935 --> 01:35:16,735
Speaker 5: do you think that the consumer, the people that your

1654
01:35:16,775 --> 01:35:18,615
Speaker 5: members are building for, the people that I used to

1655
01:35:18,615 --> 01:35:21,855
Speaker 5: build for, are starting to go, Actually, we're going to

1656
01:35:21,895 --> 01:35:25,295
Speaker 5: really appreciate living in a warm, dry, comfortable house with

1657
01:35:25,535 --> 01:35:29,535
Speaker 5: modern standards. Do you think that the consumer appreciation has shifted?

1658
01:35:29,695 --> 01:35:32,215
Speaker 16: I think there's an expectation now from the homeowner right

1659
01:35:32,295 --> 01:35:35,935
Speaker 16: that they are going to get into a warm, dry

1660
01:35:36,215 --> 01:35:40,135
Speaker 16: home and that's what they're after. They're very concerned about

1661
01:35:40,135 --> 01:35:45,335
Speaker 16: their power bills going forward, and so a good insulated

1662
01:35:45,775 --> 01:35:49,135
Speaker 16: home that meets the H one specification and beyond is

1663
01:35:49,175 --> 01:35:53,455
Speaker 16: going to provide those savings going forward. That is starting

1664
01:35:53,495 --> 01:35:58,975
Speaker 16: to really resonate with homeowners. So there's that aspect of

1665
01:35:59,015 --> 01:36:02,095
Speaker 16: it that is really sort of playing out. There's also

1666
01:36:02,175 --> 01:36:06,095
Speaker 16: their aspect, particularly as we younger people come into the

1667
01:36:06,135 --> 01:36:10,375
Speaker 16: home house market, sustainability in our carbon footprints are a really

1668
01:36:10,455 --> 01:36:13,495
Speaker 16: big driver for them. They are asking for these things. Yes,

1669
01:36:14,295 --> 01:36:16,455
Speaker 16: if I go back and get back in time when

1670
01:36:16,455 --> 01:36:18,135
Speaker 16: I had an architectural practice and I was a co

1671
01:36:18,175 --> 01:36:19,775
Speaker 16: director of one I'm not an architect, but I was

1672
01:36:19,775 --> 01:36:21,535
Speaker 16: a co director of one of they had four architects

1673
01:36:21,535 --> 01:36:24,375
Speaker 16: and a team of a team. There was always the

1674
01:36:24,495 --> 01:36:28,135
Speaker 16: driver about we wanted sort of a sustainable home. Yes,

1675
01:36:28,295 --> 01:36:32,175
Speaker 16: And the cost of those generally back in those days became,

1676
01:36:32,535 --> 01:36:35,495
Speaker 16: oh goodness, that is going to be expensive. Perhaps I

1677
01:36:35,535 --> 01:36:38,055
Speaker 16: don't need it so much. But now that we've got

1678
01:36:38,055 --> 01:36:42,815
Speaker 16: a regulation driving it, and we've also undertaken this credit

1679
01:36:42,895 --> 01:36:47,295
Speaker 16: a data set that suggests using certain methods, it's actually

1680
01:36:47,295 --> 01:36:50,815
Speaker 16: not a scary number. It's becoming more palatable, and there's

1681
01:36:50,855 --> 01:36:54,175
Speaker 16: a payback period, and the payback period isn't ten years

1682
01:36:54,255 --> 01:36:57,535
Speaker 16: or so like it was previously. Right, it's quite modest.

1683
01:36:58,135 --> 01:37:00,135
Speaker 5: The final question for you, and it's kind of a

1684
01:37:00,175 --> 01:37:02,935
Speaker 5: snapshot of where you sense your members are at right.

1685
01:37:03,455 --> 01:37:05,935
Speaker 5: This is the builders that are on site, right. And

1686
01:37:06,455 --> 01:37:09,975
Speaker 5: my a criticism that I would have of myself and

1687
01:37:10,015 --> 01:37:13,255
Speaker 5: of the industry is typically we're not ones to rush

1688
01:37:13,295 --> 01:37:16,455
Speaker 5: to embrace change. And if you sit around at Smoko

1689
01:37:16,655 --> 01:37:19,415
Speaker 5: on any building site, there'll be someone who's got gray

1690
01:37:19,415 --> 01:37:21,415
Speaker 5: hair like me sitting in the corner going, well, we

1691
01:37:21,455 --> 01:37:23,655
Speaker 5: never used to do it like that in my day,

1692
01:37:23,775 --> 01:37:25,815
Speaker 5: and I don't understand all the changes. Blah blah blah

1693
01:37:25,855 --> 01:37:30,295
Speaker 5: blah blah. Do you get a sense that your members

1694
01:37:30,375 --> 01:37:34,775
Speaker 5: and maybe younger people in the trades now are embracing change.

1695
01:37:34,815 --> 01:37:38,575
Speaker 5: They understand that what we've done hasn't been that great

1696
01:37:38,615 --> 01:37:39,855
Speaker 5: and we need to build better.

1697
01:37:40,695 --> 01:37:44,615
Speaker 16: There was a very good report done by the Boston

1698
01:37:44,735 --> 01:37:50,295
Speaker 16: Consulting right now about twenty sixteen, and it was all

1699
01:37:50,335 --> 01:37:54,735
Speaker 16: about globally, this is not one this is an international issue.

1700
01:37:55,055 --> 01:37:58,935
Speaker 16: They talked about they bundle like construction and engineering together

1701
01:37:59,815 --> 01:38:04,615
Speaker 16: that they the lamentable progress in the last fifty years

1702
01:38:04,735 --> 01:38:07,375
Speaker 16: on how we build were there be a house or

1703
01:38:07,415 --> 01:38:12,175
Speaker 16: a commercial building, and comparing that rate of change which

1704
01:38:12,215 --> 01:38:20,375
Speaker 16: has been negligible to say, aeronautics, car industry, film industry, sure,

1705
01:38:20,495 --> 01:38:23,815
Speaker 16: many others, and so really what needs to be done

1706
01:38:24,175 --> 01:38:27,015
Speaker 16: around that? But you're quite right, you know that's your

1707
01:38:27,055 --> 01:38:29,735
Speaker 16: typical builder on the building site of our sort of

1708
01:38:29,735 --> 01:38:35,575
Speaker 16: age is not firmly embracing change, but like it or not,

1709
01:38:35,695 --> 01:38:38,775
Speaker 16: it's coming. And some of those young builders. We did

1710
01:38:39,055 --> 01:38:43,455
Speaker 16: a twenty fifth year videos. We're ten twenty five established

1711
01:38:43,455 --> 01:38:45,215
Speaker 16: in nineteen ninety eight, so we met big yellow that

1712
01:38:45,855 --> 01:38:47,055
Speaker 16: and it's worth having a bit of look at it

1713
01:38:47,095 --> 01:38:49,495
Speaker 16: on our website. And some of those young builders were

1714
01:38:49,495 --> 01:38:55,935
Speaker 16: there excited by change. And I've often talked about what's

1715
01:38:55,975 --> 01:39:00,295
Speaker 16: coming down the tracks with robotics and three three D printing,

1716
01:39:00,895 --> 01:39:05,535
Speaker 16: what's coming down the tracks with modular housing and syst

1717
01:39:05,815 --> 01:39:09,095
Speaker 16: wonderful thing has been done around the world. They're not

1718
01:39:09,175 --> 01:39:13,335
Speaker 16: quite lapping on our shores yet, but they will need

1719
01:39:13,375 --> 01:39:18,095
Speaker 16: to be embraced. Where I do absolutely agree with the minister.

1720
01:39:18,895 --> 01:39:22,135
Speaker 16: As a country, we're too expensive to building and that

1721
01:39:22,255 --> 01:39:26,135
Speaker 16: is throttling demand for new builds where there be houses

1722
01:39:26,375 --> 01:39:29,935
Speaker 16: of buildings. We need to be addressing that. So and

1723
01:39:29,975 --> 01:39:35,295
Speaker 16: so what I've often been talking about previously that construction

1724
01:39:35,615 --> 01:39:37,935
Speaker 16: is going to be a high tech industry of the future.

1725
01:39:38,895 --> 01:39:42,415
Speaker 16: Now that sounds like that makes me wow, what's this

1726
01:39:42,495 --> 01:39:44,615
Speaker 16: guy been? You know, has been smoking something out there

1727
01:39:44,615 --> 01:39:48,495
Speaker 16: in Graham Street before he came in here. But that's

1728
01:39:48,535 --> 01:39:49,295
Speaker 16: where we're heading at.

1729
01:39:49,375 --> 01:39:53,135
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's and it is. It will be technology driven.

1730
01:39:54,015 --> 01:39:57,175
Speaker 5: I think the ability to you know, work digitally and

1731
01:39:57,215 --> 01:39:59,495
Speaker 5: all of those sorts of things you know is going

1732
01:39:59,535 --> 01:40:01,975
Speaker 5: to be a really important skill set for our young

1733
01:40:02,095 --> 01:40:06,135
Speaker 5: people coming through the construction sector. Malcolm, thank you very

1734
01:40:06,175 --> 01:40:09,695
Speaker 5: much much for your time today. I really appreciate the insights.

1735
01:40:09,735 --> 01:40:13,055
Speaker 5: I think the work that you've done, that CBA, CBNZ

1736
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1738
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Speaker 5: putting it out there. Really appreciate your.

1739
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Speaker 16: Time, pleasure being on your show. Pete.

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Speaker 2: Well, a very good morning, climb past, A very good

1758
01:41:30,295 --> 01:41:31,575
Speaker 2: morning to you, Peter Wolf.

1759
01:41:32,375 --> 01:41:34,095
Speaker 5: Now tell me about Pookaha.

1760
01:41:35,655 --> 01:41:38,855
Speaker 2: Oh actually, they all send me, send you their favorite,

1761
01:41:38,895 --> 01:41:44,375
Speaker 2: their famous little greetings from yeah, well you know what

1762
01:41:44,455 --> 01:41:48,095
Speaker 2: I mean from the Waii Rapper. It was unbelievable. We

1763
01:41:48,175 --> 01:41:51,135
Speaker 2: had a great time and it was a fabulous day yesterday.

1764
01:41:51,255 --> 01:41:53,655
Speaker 2: Lots of people, lots of walks, lots of talks, lots

1765
01:41:53,695 --> 01:41:55,295
Speaker 2: of strange stuff. It was great.

1766
01:41:55,375 --> 01:41:57,895
Speaker 5: It was fantastic. It's a gem that place.

1767
01:41:58,455 --> 01:42:00,255
Speaker 2: It is a gem that place. And I was the

1768
01:42:00,295 --> 01:42:02,895
Speaker 2: only one that was staying there for two nights, which

1769
01:42:02,935 --> 01:42:05,215
Speaker 2: on the lodge and the lot. Yeah, oh yeah, no,

1770
01:42:05,375 --> 01:42:09,735
Speaker 2: it's my room. Don't you start that. It's my room.

1771
01:42:10,015 --> 01:42:12,735
Speaker 2: So we had Kaka there and I saw I was

1772
01:42:12,735 --> 01:42:14,855
Speaker 2: there on the first night, they were about twenty five

1773
01:42:15,015 --> 01:42:20,335
Speaker 2: thirty pouririmos landing literally outside my door alive.

1774
01:42:20,815 --> 01:42:24,535
Speaker 5: Yeah, how fabulous, huge things, How cool? How cool?

1775
01:42:24,895 --> 01:42:27,215
Speaker 2: And the ruru We're looking at it and say I'll

1776
01:42:27,215 --> 01:42:29,175
Speaker 2: have one of those? Got it?

1777
01:42:29,255 --> 01:42:29,615
Speaker 6: Really?

1778
01:42:29,895 --> 01:42:32,495
Speaker 5: Because the rua are missing at the moment, aren't they?

1779
01:42:32,655 --> 01:42:35,855
Speaker 2: Yeah they are absolutely. Yeah, it was hilarious to see

1780
01:42:35,855 --> 01:42:38,135
Speaker 2: all that happened. I just up to be quels. I

1781
01:42:38,175 --> 01:42:39,055
Speaker 2: haven't that much sleep.

1782
01:42:39,335 --> 01:42:42,055
Speaker 5: Yeah, fair enough, fair enough, Hey, and we can do

1783
01:42:42,055 --> 01:42:44,775
Speaker 5: a little giveaway because it feels like the garden well

1784
01:42:44,815 --> 01:42:47,375
Speaker 5: certainly the weeds are coming up along with everything else.

1785
01:42:47,375 --> 01:42:49,215
Speaker 5: So if you're going to get stuck under those, it's

1786
01:42:49,255 --> 01:42:50,575
Speaker 5: the old Clarks cultivator.

1787
01:42:50,935 --> 01:42:54,535
Speaker 2: There you go. We've done this before. And Chris and

1788
01:42:54,695 --> 01:42:57,775
Speaker 2: Bobby said, look, give them one away today and also

1789
01:42:57,895 --> 01:43:00,695
Speaker 2: make sure that when they when they hear this on

1790
01:43:00,735 --> 01:43:03,815
Speaker 2: the radio, for instance, and I'll have to find theditos

1791
01:43:03,815 --> 01:43:07,295
Speaker 2: because of course I'm totally unprepared. It just came out

1792
01:43:07,375 --> 01:43:11,335
Speaker 2: late last night in gratitude. If you if you want

1793
01:43:11,375 --> 01:43:13,495
Speaker 2: to buy one, we are doing it at a really

1794
01:43:13,535 --> 01:43:17,015
Speaker 2: special price for Christmas right now, and you'll have to

1795
01:43:17,095 --> 01:43:19,455
Speaker 2: mention within I think the next week that you heard

1796
01:43:19,495 --> 01:43:21,655
Speaker 2: this on the radio, and you'll get it for quite

1797
01:43:21,655 --> 01:43:25,255
Speaker 2: a bit cheaper. And you get them basically from Clark Cultivator.

1798
01:43:25,335 --> 01:43:28,615
Speaker 2: You can find those online easy. But one of those

1799
01:43:28,935 --> 01:43:30,455
Speaker 2: we're going to give away today.

1800
01:43:30,495 --> 01:43:35,015
Speaker 5: And it's Clark c l A r K Clark Cultivator.

1801
01:43:35,055 --> 01:43:37,095
Speaker 5: You just go Clark Cultivator dot co dot is it

1802
01:43:37,175 --> 01:43:40,255
Speaker 5: and away we go, brilliant and you will give one away. Yeah,

1803
01:43:40,455 --> 01:43:42,335
Speaker 5: as they are tremendously useful.

1804
01:43:42,575 --> 01:43:43,455
Speaker 2: Oh right, brilliant.

1805
01:43:43,655 --> 01:43:46,455
Speaker 5: Let's get into it now. He wants to kill moths.

1806
01:43:46,495 --> 01:43:47,735
Speaker 5: I don't think we'll take this call.

1807
01:43:48,015 --> 01:43:48,495
Speaker 2: Yeah we do?

1808
01:43:48,615 --> 01:43:50,335
Speaker 5: Oh okay, all right, go Roger.

1809
01:43:50,375 --> 01:44:00,495
Speaker 11: Hello, good morning, good morning. I was yesterday afternoon and

1810
01:44:00,535 --> 01:44:04,375
Speaker 11: you have a spray there that's got kill moths and

1811
01:44:04,535 --> 01:44:09,575
Speaker 11: also it kills bora. Now I'm interested for killing borer.

1812
01:44:09,735 --> 01:44:14,575
Speaker 11: Now why is sellar? The floor is a eighteen hundred

1813
01:44:14,615 --> 01:44:18,295
Speaker 11: square feet old house and it's full of borer and

1814
01:44:18,335 --> 01:44:21,255
Speaker 11: the dust drops down to the motor, onto my cellar

1815
01:44:21,295 --> 01:44:23,695
Speaker 11: and the things. And if I get some of that

1816
01:44:23,855 --> 01:44:26,055
Speaker 11: and spread, will it kill the borer?

1817
01:44:26,375 --> 01:44:30,015
Speaker 2: Well? Look it's it's so it comes. Actually the borer

1818
01:44:30,055 --> 01:44:33,135
Speaker 2: is above you in the ceiling you said, right, yes,

1819
01:44:33,655 --> 01:44:36,615
Speaker 2: can you see the little holes in which the from

1820
01:44:36,655 --> 01:44:38,215
Speaker 2: which the borers emerge?

1821
01:44:39,295 --> 01:44:42,175
Speaker 11: Yes, well okay, yes, there will no This.

1822
01:44:42,255 --> 01:44:44,975
Speaker 2: Is just for Pete's Pete's edification. Pete. These are the

1823
01:44:45,015 --> 01:44:49,135
Speaker 2: house borer, the European housebory we're talking about. Yes, you

1824
01:44:49,175 --> 01:44:51,415
Speaker 2: know what I mean, the ones that actually it came

1825
01:44:51,455 --> 01:44:54,335
Speaker 2: here of course with settlers in the in the suitcases

1826
01:44:54,375 --> 01:44:57,335
Speaker 2: in there that wood wouldn't whatever cases in which they

1827
01:44:57,735 --> 01:45:00,535
Speaker 2: migrated to New Zealand in the eighteen hundreds. So this

1828
01:45:00,655 --> 01:45:03,255
Speaker 2: is what it is. And here comes to time you are.

1829
01:45:03,615 --> 01:45:06,215
Speaker 2: This is why I made that yesterday on the Jackdame Show.

1830
01:45:06,855 --> 01:45:09,575
Speaker 2: Quite a thing. This is the time when they are

1831
01:45:09,655 --> 01:45:14,335
Speaker 2: starting to think about coming out, finding a mate and

1832
01:45:14,375 --> 01:45:17,575
Speaker 2: then laying eggs in old little borer holes or on

1833
01:45:18,015 --> 01:45:21,935
Speaker 2: the wood itself from which they came. And what you

1834
01:45:22,015 --> 01:45:23,935
Speaker 2: do now is you get that spray that I was

1835
01:45:23,975 --> 01:45:26,855
Speaker 2: talking about. You spray it on that surface from which

1836
01:45:26,895 --> 01:45:29,935
Speaker 2: they emerge. If they are in contact with that surface

1837
01:45:29,935 --> 01:45:33,815
Speaker 2: for more than say ten seconds, there ain't no mating.

1838
01:45:34,975 --> 01:45:36,415
Speaker 11: Ah, yes, got it.

1839
01:45:36,695 --> 01:45:39,655
Speaker 2: Okay. So what the stuff that you use is the

1840
01:45:39,695 --> 01:45:43,455
Speaker 2: residual aircraft spray that you can get from a company

1841
01:45:43,495 --> 01:45:48,215
Speaker 2: called safe Works. One word safe works ends with an

1842
01:45:48,455 --> 01:45:56,335
Speaker 2: X safes and they have company. They have shops in Auckland, Wellington,

1843
01:45:56,495 --> 01:45:59,655
Speaker 2: christ Church probably some other places by now find them

1844
01:45:59,695 --> 01:46:03,575
Speaker 2: online and give them a call and work it out.

1845
01:46:03,615 --> 01:46:05,415
Speaker 2: You'll find that you can get a couple of those

1846
01:46:05,455 --> 01:46:09,375
Speaker 2: cans and spray the literally, say about half a meter away,

1847
01:46:09,455 --> 01:46:12,615
Speaker 2: and you literally treat the surface with that spray. That

1848
01:46:12,615 --> 01:46:13,655
Speaker 2: that aerosol spray.

1849
01:46:14,655 --> 01:46:16,695
Speaker 11: What was the name of that spray. That's what I

1850
01:46:16,735 --> 01:46:17,775
Speaker 11: forgot it.

1851
01:46:18,015 --> 01:46:22,495
Speaker 2: Well, the residual aircraft spray.

1852
01:46:23,655 --> 01:46:26,815
Speaker 11: Yeah, residual aircraft spray from safe Work.

1853
01:46:27,175 --> 01:46:31,055
Speaker 2: Safe Works. Yes, if you explain that we had this conversation,

1854
01:46:31,295 --> 01:46:33,615
Speaker 2: most of the staff at Safeworks know who I am

1855
01:46:33,895 --> 01:46:38,575
Speaker 2: because we I worked on making that stuff and putting

1856
01:46:38,615 --> 01:46:42,495
Speaker 2: it on well and developing it in the nineteen eighties.

1857
01:46:44,015 --> 01:46:47,215
Speaker 2: You were there time, No, I wasn't. I was in

1858
01:46:47,255 --> 01:46:50,095
Speaker 2: Auckland at that time with the Ministry of Agriculture and

1859
01:46:50,175 --> 01:46:54,695
Speaker 2: we were using that spray inside aircraft to stop insects

1860
01:46:55,055 --> 01:46:59,095
Speaker 2: arriving in New Zealand, you know, and and we that

1861
01:46:59,215 --> 01:47:02,055
Speaker 2: spray kills those insects before they even get to New Zealand.

1862
01:47:02,295 --> 01:47:03,215
Speaker 2: That was That's how.

1863
01:47:03,055 --> 01:47:05,255
Speaker 11: Good it is yes, So that's great.

1864
01:47:05,935 --> 01:47:09,975
Speaker 2: Great safe works with the you find it your.

1865
01:47:09,815 --> 01:47:13,215
Speaker 11: Safe work with the next that I'm listening to you

1866
01:47:13,335 --> 01:47:18,295
Speaker 11: for many years, years ago, I used to hear on

1867
01:47:18,335 --> 01:47:22,895
Speaker 11: the radio somewhere and I was under easy long ago.

1868
01:47:23,615 --> 01:47:26,375
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was syndicated, that old radio. Like this radio

1869
01:47:26,375 --> 01:47:27,815
Speaker 2: show goes all over the.

1870
01:47:27,615 --> 01:47:29,535
Speaker 5: Orders of the beauty of radio. You can be down

1871
01:47:30,255 --> 01:47:34,935
Speaker 5: nowadays in the world. I appreciate the call. Roger, you

1872
01:47:35,015 --> 01:47:37,615
Speaker 5: have a great day, Tanya, A very good morning.

1873
01:47:38,415 --> 01:47:44,175
Speaker 7: Oh goody, that's me morning. Kind What sort of critter

1874
01:47:44,815 --> 01:47:50,895
Speaker 7: has built a black pouch underneath the ease of my house?

1875
01:47:51,655 --> 01:47:54,495
Speaker 7: He must have it, she must have it at night

1876
01:47:55,575 --> 01:48:01,775
Speaker 7: because I'm confined to a chair and suddenly it just appeared.

1877
01:48:03,015 --> 01:48:04,815
Speaker 2: What did you call it a black couch?

1878
01:48:06,055 --> 01:48:09,455
Speaker 7: I'm pouch, you know, a bag, pouch or pouch?

1879
01:48:09,535 --> 01:48:12,415
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah? And what color is it? It's black?

1880
01:48:13,095 --> 01:48:13,855
Speaker 12: What's black?

1881
01:48:15,135 --> 01:48:15,215
Speaker 7: What?

1882
01:48:16,015 --> 01:48:19,015
Speaker 2: Oh? Black is not a common thing in the natural

1883
01:48:19,055 --> 01:48:23,375
Speaker 2: world of insects. You know, how big is it.

1884
01:48:25,215 --> 01:48:31,855
Speaker 7: About the size of a man's first what? Yes, Look,

1885
01:48:31,975 --> 01:48:35,375
Speaker 7: I live in a very rare I have spiders. British

1886
01:48:35,375 --> 01:48:39,655
Speaker 7: spiders have sawns on their backs. I'm in a very

1887
01:48:39,935 --> 01:48:47,135
Speaker 7: I've created. Uh, I've created a very natural garden here,

1888
01:48:49,295 --> 01:48:53,575
Speaker 7: like a cottage garden, lots of trees and bush and flowers,

1889
01:48:54,255 --> 01:48:59,895
Speaker 7: full of bees and butterflies and bees. I've got them all.

1890
01:49:00,455 --> 01:49:02,895
Speaker 2: Okay. Now, if you've got a pouch that has grown,

1891
01:49:03,775 --> 01:49:06,535
Speaker 2: you know, to that size, that might be the beginning

1892
01:49:06,575 --> 01:49:08,495
Speaker 2: of a wasp nest. Could that be?

1893
01:49:08,895 --> 01:49:09,135
Speaker 4: Oh?

1894
01:49:09,455 --> 01:49:10,295
Speaker 11: No, do you know?

1895
01:49:10,455 --> 01:49:16,815
Speaker 7: I wondered, Yeah, that one, because it's broken. It's broken.

1896
01:49:16,895 --> 01:49:22,215
Speaker 2: Now, has it got these little hexagonal cells in it?

1897
01:49:23,895 --> 01:49:25,575
Speaker 7: No?

1898
01:49:25,575 --> 01:49:28,135
Speaker 2: No, that in that case, I may be totally wrong.

1899
01:49:30,015 --> 01:49:34,655
Speaker 7: From here, it looks like like set material. It looks

1900
01:49:34,735 --> 01:49:35,455
Speaker 7: quite soft.

1901
01:49:36,135 --> 01:49:40,895
Speaker 2: No, really, no, I can't. I cannot picture it in

1902
01:49:40,895 --> 01:49:43,855
Speaker 2: my brain. I cannot identify it without you know, seeing

1903
01:49:43,855 --> 01:49:45,935
Speaker 2: it in my brain. I do.

1904
01:49:46,215 --> 01:49:49,495
Speaker 7: I am cluse. I have a cowry tree on the property.

1905
01:49:49,655 --> 01:49:53,735
Speaker 7: That's crazy. And I wondered if if that has any

1906
01:49:53,815 --> 01:49:55,335
Speaker 7: influence on us.

1907
01:49:55,535 --> 01:49:57,695
Speaker 2: Oh, maybe it does, but I don't know. I cannot

1908
01:49:57,735 --> 01:50:00,375
Speaker 2: tell what it is. But just simply by listening to

1909
01:50:00,415 --> 01:50:03,335
Speaker 2: this description, I'm afraid. I'm sorry. I can't help you

1910
01:50:03,375 --> 01:50:05,615
Speaker 2: with that, but I can help you with one thing.

1911
01:50:05,655 --> 01:50:09,855
Speaker 2: If you think that spiders with little spikes on their

1912
01:50:09,935 --> 01:50:13,295
Speaker 2: back are strange, no, they're not, because they're quite often

1913
01:50:13,295 --> 01:50:15,695
Speaker 2: called two spine spiders and they look like that.

1914
01:50:16,855 --> 01:50:21,575
Speaker 7: Yes, oh right, oh well, oh.

1915
01:50:23,415 --> 01:50:26,575
Speaker 2: There you go. Hey, thank you, thank you for your call.

1916
01:50:27,135 --> 01:50:29,095
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I can't help you with the other thing.

1917
01:50:29,295 --> 01:50:32,815
Speaker 5: All us you take care and Margaret, good morning to you.

1918
01:50:33,495 --> 01:50:39,135
Speaker 15: Good morning. Rude my, I think they're asiatically so I've

1919
01:50:39,135 --> 01:50:42,575
Speaker 15: got several, but just one of them has got it

1920
01:50:42,655 --> 01:50:45,375
Speaker 15: looks like sunburn on the leaves, but the other seven

1921
01:50:45,455 --> 01:50:48,255
Speaker 15: got any of that. So if they're all going.

1922
01:50:48,055 --> 01:50:52,015
Speaker 2: Pround, they're all going off one plant only.

1923
01:50:51,855 --> 01:50:53,535
Speaker 15: Though, just on one plant.

1924
01:50:54,215 --> 01:51:00,095
Speaker 2: Anybody sprayed anything in the neighborhood, No, you haven't, so

1925
01:51:00,855 --> 01:51:06,095
Speaker 2: that's weird. Oh gosh, what could that be? I could

1926
01:51:06,535 --> 01:51:09,495
Speaker 2: Oh so they're slowly changing color and becoming brown. Do

1927
01:51:09,575 --> 01:51:11,975
Speaker 2: they then start to become brittle and die off?

1928
01:51:13,495 --> 01:51:16,815
Speaker 15: Well they are, yes, yeah, okay half of the leaf.

1929
01:51:18,775 --> 01:51:21,415
Speaker 2: That could well be then a fungal disease that actually

1930
01:51:21,535 --> 01:51:22,895
Speaker 2: slowly taking them off.

1931
01:51:23,735 --> 01:51:26,895
Speaker 15: Well, why there's just one plant, god, and not the others.

1932
01:51:27,335 --> 01:51:32,135
Speaker 2: That one drew the luckies, the lucky the lucky straw. No,

1933
01:51:32,295 --> 01:51:35,655
Speaker 2: I mean that happens sometimes that you get one plant.

1934
01:51:35,415 --> 01:51:37,695
Speaker 15: And they all been watered together. It's not like it's

1935
01:51:37,735 --> 01:51:39,175
Speaker 15: too wet or too dry.

1936
01:51:39,455 --> 01:51:41,535
Speaker 2: No, and it could and you know what, it also

1937
01:51:41,615 --> 01:51:44,375
Speaker 2: could be that there's something in the soil that started

1938
01:51:44,415 --> 01:51:47,255
Speaker 2: to eat the bulbs or the little rootlets of the bulbs,

1939
01:51:47,295 --> 01:51:47,935
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

1940
01:51:48,175 --> 01:51:51,575
Speaker 14: And if that only that one, very healthy?

1941
01:51:52,255 --> 01:51:55,215
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, well that's what happens sometimes, might be

1942
01:51:55,255 --> 01:51:56,095
Speaker 2: something in the ground.

1943
01:51:56,775 --> 01:51:59,855
Speaker 15: Go on, And also what is your opinion of worm

1944
01:51:59,935 --> 01:52:01,015
Speaker 15: we for a manure?

1945
01:52:02,055 --> 01:52:08,175
Speaker 2: Not too bad at all? Good, brilliant? Why not that

1946
01:52:08,735 --> 01:52:12,375
Speaker 2: that's how nature fertilizes itself with that sort of stuff.

1947
01:52:12,695 --> 01:52:16,135
Speaker 2: Wos do nothing but of course yeah, they make They

1948
01:52:16,215 --> 01:52:19,495
Speaker 2: decay all sorts of bits and pieces and transport them

1949
01:52:19,535 --> 01:52:23,335
Speaker 2: through the ground to put that fertilizer literally what it

1950
01:52:23,375 --> 01:52:25,575
Speaker 2: is all over the place in the forest or in

1951
01:52:25,655 --> 01:52:28,575
Speaker 2: your garden. So weren't we as such is a pretty

1952
01:52:28,695 --> 01:52:29,535
Speaker 2: useful material.

1953
01:52:30,295 --> 01:52:32,575
Speaker 15: Oh that's good because I have been using it. But

1954
01:52:32,735 --> 01:52:34,615
Speaker 15: I just wondered how good it was.

1955
01:52:35,255 --> 01:52:39,295
Speaker 2: It is good. It's better than you're wee, is it?

1956
01:52:39,895 --> 01:52:40,095
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1957
01:52:40,495 --> 01:52:42,935
Speaker 15: Well I heard that's quite good for the garden too.

1958
01:52:44,655 --> 01:52:45,975
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go there, darling.

1959
01:52:46,735 --> 01:52:51,135
Speaker 10: No, okay, rude, thank you?

1960
01:52:51,535 --> 01:52:55,175
Speaker 5: Christ Well, intervene now before we hit down the path

1961
01:52:55,215 --> 01:52:58,015
Speaker 5: that we just can't come back from. Uh, we're going

1962
01:52:58,055 --> 01:52:59,975
Speaker 5: to take a short break also after the break I'll

1963
01:52:59,975 --> 01:53:01,735
Speaker 5: tell you last week on the show, we ran a

1964
01:53:01,735 --> 01:53:04,575
Speaker 5: little competition for some legos, some Team New Zealand Lego.

1965
01:53:04,855 --> 01:53:07,495
Speaker 5: I've got the winners. I'll tell you who are after

1966
01:53:07,535 --> 01:53:11,215
Speaker 5: the break back, but keen to get amongst it. I

1967
01:53:11,295 --> 01:53:13,135
Speaker 5: tell you what last week, you know with the America's

1968
01:53:13,215 --> 01:53:17,055
Speaker 5: Cup Razine, who are actually heavily involved with the America's

1969
01:53:17,055 --> 01:53:18,895
Speaker 5: Cup because they make the paint that goes on the boat.

1970
01:53:19,775 --> 01:53:24,295
Speaker 5: Through Razine construction, we had three Lego kits to give away.

1971
01:53:24,375 --> 01:53:27,015
Speaker 5: We've got a lot of people entering, which was awesome.

1972
01:53:27,295 --> 01:53:32,255
Speaker 5: So Uppologna and Dunedin, Claire in At and karl In

1973
01:53:32,535 --> 01:53:36,695
Speaker 5: Tyrau are going to get these amazing Lego kits. I

1974
01:53:36,695 --> 01:53:39,135
Speaker 5: think there's a few pieces and they're pretty awesome. Anyway,

1975
01:53:39,175 --> 01:53:41,095
Speaker 5: they're on their way to you, so that's fantastic. And

1976
01:53:41,175 --> 01:53:44,055
Speaker 5: someone today is going to go home well is going

1977
01:53:44,095 --> 01:53:46,255
Speaker 5: to get a Clark Cultivator as well, which is awesome.

1978
01:53:46,415 --> 01:53:49,535
Speaker 2: We're getting to send him to you. Just talking about Razine.

1979
01:53:49,615 --> 01:53:53,495
Speaker 2: Another little heads up the Kiwi Art Trail that's going

1980
01:53:53,535 --> 01:53:56,255
Speaker 2: on in to Adimo, which is actually quite lovely to see.

1981
01:53:56,455 --> 01:53:58,655
Speaker 2: It's also sponsored partly bow Razine.

1982
01:53:58,775 --> 01:54:02,575
Speaker 5: Didn't know that interesting? What's the art trail about? And

1983
01:54:02,575 --> 01:54:03,295
Speaker 5: you've got a walk?

1984
01:54:03,535 --> 01:54:06,575
Speaker 2: No imagine having a kiwi? Are big kiwi kind of

1985
01:54:07,575 --> 01:54:11,055
Speaker 2: made you know as such? And then artists paint them

1986
01:54:11,215 --> 01:54:15,855
Speaker 2: are brilliant and they have these weird Well go online,

1987
01:54:15,895 --> 01:54:16,615
Speaker 2: look at the kipia.

1988
01:54:16,775 --> 01:54:19,295
Speaker 5: I'm in tar On the next in January for a wedding.

1989
01:54:19,335 --> 01:54:20,255
Speaker 5: Will they still be around?

1990
01:54:22,455 --> 01:54:25,815
Speaker 2: No, seventy of November okay, And guess where I'm going

1991
01:54:25,855 --> 01:54:31,015
Speaker 2: to be between now and the seventieth of November. You go. Actually,

1992
01:54:31,015 --> 01:54:33,455
Speaker 2: that's another thing. They have Plenty Arts and garden festival.

1993
01:54:33,695 --> 01:54:36,575
Speaker 2: If you I'm there for the whole week, go and

1994
01:54:36,615 --> 01:54:38,375
Speaker 2: I'll meet you there and it'll be a hell of

1995
01:54:38,415 --> 01:54:42,215
Speaker 2: a lot of fun. Both plenty arts a garden festival.

1996
01:54:42,495 --> 01:54:46,335
Speaker 5: Excellent. Hey, now I forwarded you an email from our

1997
01:54:46,375 --> 01:54:49,455
Speaker 5: mystery caller last week who had the worm and the irrigation.

1998
01:54:50,655 --> 01:54:53,335
Speaker 5: Oh yes, so the worm is like a white worm

1999
01:54:53,455 --> 01:54:55,335
Speaker 5: and when it was in the palm of his hand,

2000
01:54:55,535 --> 01:55:00,255
Speaker 5: I estimated to be about forty millimeters long. Cheapest I know.

2001
01:55:02,015 --> 01:55:06,095
Speaker 2: Oh whit Oh, that's that's a lot. That's quite. That's quite,

2002
01:55:06,775 --> 01:55:10,135
Speaker 2: and then and then as hell of course, well yeah

2003
01:55:10,215 --> 01:55:10,655
Speaker 2: gotta be.

2004
01:55:10,975 --> 01:55:13,535
Speaker 5: Yeah, but not so much to be fair. I mean,

2005
01:55:13,575 --> 01:55:16,575
Speaker 5: it's you got the photo, Yeah, I sent it to you.

2006
01:55:17,295 --> 01:55:20,015
Speaker 2: Ok. Oh yeah, there's me. That's me being an aeroplane.

2007
01:55:21,655 --> 01:55:25,215
Speaker 5: I'm just comparing if he's got some oflar palm markings

2008
01:55:25,215 --> 01:55:28,295
Speaker 5: for me. I reckon it is about without a word

2009
01:55:28,295 --> 01:55:30,775
Speaker 5: of a light, it'll be thirty five to forty millimeters long.

2010
01:55:31,255 --> 01:55:34,175
Speaker 5: I'm probably about two millimeters in diameter. And it's why

2011
01:55:34,215 --> 01:55:34,935
Speaker 5: I'll have to look at that.

2012
01:55:35,015 --> 01:55:37,855
Speaker 2: I'm going to make a note to self next week

2013
01:55:37,895 --> 01:55:39,335
Speaker 2: of course, Central Otagos.

2014
01:55:39,375 --> 01:55:42,215
Speaker 5: You know, we get to the bottom of this mystery

2015
01:55:42,215 --> 01:55:45,055
Speaker 5: for Dennis right right now, though, Mary, go talk to us.

2016
01:55:45,055 --> 01:55:46,935
Speaker 5: Good morning, Good morning.

2017
01:55:47,135 --> 01:55:52,735
Speaker 7: I'm just three about the aircraft spray repels.

2018
01:55:53,135 --> 01:55:54,895
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's never.

2019
01:55:54,855 --> 01:55:57,455
Speaker 7: No eight hundred numbers that we can get because I

2020
01:55:57,455 --> 01:55:59,495
Speaker 7: can't get hold of this, and I think.

2021
01:55:59,415 --> 01:56:01,655
Speaker 5: It's pretty good. I don't know that repels aircraft.

2022
01:56:02,055 --> 01:56:05,975
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't repel. Talking about I think I think

2023
01:56:06,015 --> 01:56:09,575
Speaker 2: they may because it's a safety company, safe works, they

2024
01:56:09,695 --> 01:56:13,295
Speaker 2: might not be opening in there on the Sunday. I'm

2025
01:56:13,335 --> 01:56:15,055
Speaker 2: not even sure if they open on the Saturday, but

2026
01:56:15,095 --> 01:56:19,375
Speaker 2: they open any other day after that that Christ are

2027
01:56:19,415 --> 01:56:23,175
Speaker 2: they Oh, I'll tell you they're on Hoswell Junction Road.

2028
01:56:23,295 --> 01:56:27,175
Speaker 2: There you go. Boom okay, thank you very much.

2029
01:56:28,575 --> 01:56:31,095
Speaker 5: To talk about you, Tanya, Good morning to you.

2030
01:56:32,415 --> 01:56:36,095
Speaker 7: Yes, good morning. So rude, I've got a bit of

2031
01:56:36,095 --> 01:56:40,215
Speaker 7: a scary problem where I've got mulbrowed freeze, a black

2032
01:56:40,215 --> 01:56:44,255
Speaker 7: one and a white variety planted about ten years ago.

2033
01:56:44,935 --> 01:56:48,575
Speaker 7: And yes they meta, but I do keep them trimmed

2034
01:56:49,415 --> 01:56:53,135
Speaker 7: a little bit, but they're still quite high. And like

2035
01:56:53,215 --> 01:57:00,175
Speaker 7: about last year, I saw a massive route climbing about

2036
01:57:00,215 --> 01:57:03,975
Speaker 7: four meters away from the tree into a back garden,

2037
01:57:04,255 --> 01:57:06,415
Speaker 7: a raised garden, and I cut that with my chain,

2038
01:57:06,495 --> 01:57:10,535
Speaker 7: sort of thinking kroky, that was voracious. And then in

2039
01:57:10,615 --> 01:57:16,135
Speaker 7: the front garden, Yesterda replaced three rose gardens and dug

2040
01:57:16,135 --> 01:57:18,975
Speaker 7: the soil out because you know, when you're replacing the roses,

2041
01:57:18,975 --> 01:57:21,575
Speaker 7: you've got to put change the soil. Blah blah blah.

2042
01:57:21,615 --> 01:57:24,375
Speaker 7: And what did I find? What did I find in

2043
01:57:24,415 --> 01:57:28,215
Speaker 7: the front garden like it had gone under the house

2044
01:57:28,375 --> 01:57:32,335
Speaker 7: or I don't know, frightening and voracious. What the hell

2045
01:57:32,495 --> 01:57:33,935
Speaker 7: do I have to cut those trees down.

2046
01:57:34,575 --> 01:57:37,135
Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa. How do you know it was the roots

2047
01:57:37,175 --> 01:57:38,455
Speaker 2: of that Melbury tree.

2048
01:57:38,535 --> 01:57:42,095
Speaker 7: I recognized them from when I cut the root with

2049
01:57:42,135 --> 01:57:46,215
Speaker 7: my chainsaw in the back garden. They're sort of like

2050
01:57:46,215 --> 01:57:50,495
Speaker 7: It's an orange color with a very woody center. And

2051
01:57:51,175 --> 01:57:54,255
Speaker 7: it was frightening to find that it had come that far.

2052
01:57:55,215 --> 01:57:57,455
Speaker 7: And I'm thinking Jesus, yeah.

2053
01:57:57,335 --> 01:57:59,855
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know. I find it extraordinary, by the way,

2054
01:58:00,095 --> 01:58:03,335
Speaker 2: And to be quite honest, I'm growing a melberry as well.

2055
01:58:03,735 --> 01:58:05,135
Speaker 2: You know why I grow in Melbury?

2056
01:58:06,415 --> 01:58:09,215
Speaker 7: The toes go meant your whole trees full of toys?

2057
01:58:09,535 --> 01:58:12,455
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I want I grow Melbury because I want

2058
01:58:12,495 --> 01:58:17,655
Speaker 2: to grow what do you call these things? It doesn't

2059
01:58:17,655 --> 01:58:22,575
Speaker 2: matter forgotten some caterpillars. What do you call these? Silkwormsh what?

2060
01:58:22,695 --> 01:58:25,055
Speaker 2: I want to grow silk worms on the leaves of Melbury.

2061
01:58:25,095 --> 01:58:27,775
Speaker 2: That's the story. Okay, don't worry, but I did. Mine

2062
01:58:27,895 --> 01:58:31,095
Speaker 2: is not that bit misbehaving. It actually stays in one

2063
01:58:31,175 --> 01:58:34,575
Speaker 2: place and it grows quite nicely. I haven't heard of

2064
01:58:34,615 --> 01:58:36,895
Speaker 2: it going that quick, I know, I know, but I

2065
01:58:36,935 --> 01:58:38,255
Speaker 2: haven't heard of going that far.

2066
01:58:38,815 --> 01:58:41,255
Speaker 7: That would be I bought them as large trees. That

2067
01:58:41,335 --> 01:58:44,095
Speaker 7: mind you. I bought them as large trees, I got

2068
01:58:44,095 --> 01:58:47,055
Speaker 7: them installed as large trees, and then it's been them

2069
01:58:47,095 --> 01:58:48,255
Speaker 7: for about ten years.

2070
01:58:48,735 --> 01:58:51,535
Speaker 2: No, to be quite honest, I did not know that.

2071
01:58:51,615 --> 01:58:54,055
Speaker 2: But what you then need to start doing is actually

2072
01:58:54,135 --> 01:58:57,255
Speaker 2: get some dig around the Melbury trees and make sure

2073
01:58:57,295 --> 01:59:00,975
Speaker 2: that you start intercepting those roots before they go that far.

2074
01:59:01,895 --> 01:59:02,615
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?

2075
01:59:02,695 --> 01:59:07,055
Speaker 7: It's just incredible. And also there was a that I

2076
01:59:07,135 --> 01:59:09,535
Speaker 7: came across which I didn't even know I had. When

2077
01:59:09,575 --> 01:59:12,775
Speaker 7: I was I dug right down to remove all of

2078
01:59:12,815 --> 01:59:17,495
Speaker 7: the soil and that rose gardens, and I came across

2079
01:59:17,495 --> 01:59:20,055
Speaker 7: a drain and I saw the roots even in that

2080
01:59:20,975 --> 01:59:25,535
Speaker 7: way down. Unbelievable. You wouldn't even be able to get

2081
01:59:25,775 --> 01:59:32,495
Speaker 7: around that deep and that and that far. Seriously but spooky,

2082
01:59:32,615 --> 01:59:34,695
Speaker 7: I'm thinking, do I need to cut those trees down?

2083
01:59:34,735 --> 01:59:35,655
Speaker 7: I love those trees.

2084
01:59:35,695 --> 01:59:39,535
Speaker 2: But yeah, another little question, do you have boo to

2085
01:59:39,615 --> 01:59:41,655
Speaker 2: car Anyarby?

2086
01:59:42,615 --> 01:59:42,815
Speaker 11: No?

2087
01:59:43,655 --> 01:59:46,655
Speaker 2: Okay, I know Peter and Peter and I know that

2088
01:59:47,335 --> 01:59:48,775
Speaker 2: we can do this sort of nonsense.

2089
01:59:49,375 --> 01:59:50,215
Speaker 7: I know that too.

2090
01:59:50,535 --> 01:59:50,775
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2091
01:59:50,895 --> 01:59:53,895
Speaker 2: No, No, but I hadn't heard of I had not.

2092
01:59:54,015 --> 01:59:55,935
Speaker 2: I have never heard that of Melbourny trees.

2093
01:59:56,535 --> 01:59:58,815
Speaker 5: I wouldn't blame the tree though it's problem with the drain.

2094
01:59:58,815 --> 02:00:00,535
Speaker 5: It's not the tree. The trees still not trees.

2095
02:00:00,575 --> 02:00:01,495
Speaker 12: Do there?

2096
02:00:01,535 --> 02:00:05,095
Speaker 2: You go? Good boy back in the mo.

2097
02:00:07,175 --> 02:00:08,615
Speaker 5: Oh, what a busy old morning road.

2098
02:00:09,055 --> 02:00:11,815
Speaker 2: We've been fairly flat out, haven't we. But it's been good.

2099
02:00:12,095 --> 02:00:14,975
Speaker 2: So we've got the little worm to check out. But anyway,

2100
02:00:15,095 --> 02:00:19,295
Speaker 2: and I'll see if I can for next week. I'm

2101
02:00:19,295 --> 02:00:20,855
Speaker 2: going to be in Central Otagos. You have to do

2102
02:00:20,895 --> 02:00:24,175
Speaker 2: it probably from from.

2103
02:00:24,415 --> 02:00:26,895
Speaker 5: From we'll figure it out on the day, okay.

2104
02:00:27,455 --> 02:00:30,215
Speaker 2: Other than that, might be being fine and can't cultivate it.

2105
02:00:30,295 --> 02:00:34,335
Speaker 2: By the way, I think Margaret is the person. She

2106
02:00:34,455 --> 02:00:36,455
Speaker 2: was wonderful with her lily. I love that one, Lily.

2107
02:00:36,535 --> 02:00:37,575
Speaker 2: This is very good.

2108
02:00:37,815 --> 02:00:39,495
Speaker 5: I might get into the garden today as well.

2109
02:00:39,575 --> 02:00:42,855
Speaker 2: Rud you get on with it.

2110
02:00:41,775 --> 02:00:44,655
Speaker 5: Again next week. Take care all of this. Hey, thanks

2111
02:00:44,735 --> 02:00:47,055
Speaker 5: very much for your company this morning, folks. Next week

2112
02:00:47,055 --> 02:00:50,535
Speaker 5: on the show, Ben Johnson talking about the Fencing Act.

2113
02:00:50,575 --> 02:00:52,495
Speaker 5: He is a lawyer. He'll be with me next Sunday.

2114
02:00:52,535 --> 02:00:54,095
Speaker 5: Look forward to hearing from me For.

2115
02:00:54,135 --> 02:00:57,255
Speaker 1: More from the Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp. Listen live

2116
02:00:57,335 --> 02:00:59,775
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2117
02:01:00,095 --> 02:01:02,175
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