1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: We're going to get the first details of the IRMA 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: overhaul this afternoon around about one o'clock. The aim is 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: to simplify the system, massively cutting the number of consents 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: by up to half. Regional councils have of course already 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: been given the chopp as part of this reform. Now, 6 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: Alan Polad is the CEO of the Civil Contractor is 7 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: NZ and with us Morning Allen. 8 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: Morning Heather. 9 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: Now, the word is that we have about twelve hundred 10 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: different zones in the country and they're going to be 11 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: cut down to fewer than twenty. Is that right. 12 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 2: I don't know the final detail, but whatever we can 13 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: do to streamline the process will be welcome for our industry. 14 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: How much of a heads up have you been given 15 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: about this? 16 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: Not very little. What we do though, is that the 17 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: ministers determined to simplify. Yet, if I can add some 18 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: context to it, you know, for the last two years, 19 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: our industry has faced some pretty tough time for the 20 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: low project volumes, and yet there's two hundred and seventy 21 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: five billion dollars sitting on a project pipeline and there's 22 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: a projects our communities need. So our aims that these 23 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: projects need to come to market as quickly as possible, 24 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: and we need to remove the barriers to stopping that happening, 25 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: and the RIMA is one of the major barriers that 26 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 2: we face. 27 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you were to list the barriers 28 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: and all the things that go into making a project 29 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: really hard to get off the ground, where would this sit. 30 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: It's just right up at the top. The Act is 31 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: incredibly complicated, it's vague, it's open to interpretation. That creates 32 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: significant cost to the projects, and frankly, it's a little 33 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: to protect the environment or to enable efficient development. 34 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: What is it about the Act that is causing the trouble? 35 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: Is it the time that it takes to get the consent? 36 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: Is the possibility that there's a decline? What is it? 37 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 2: I think it's all of those things, because it's very complicated, 38 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: but also it's open to interpretation. It's quite vague, So 39 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: you gu have the Act interpret in one way in 40 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: one region and completely different than another. 41 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: Oh oh, you can have the Act interpreted differently in 42 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: the same region, can't you. I mean I've run into 43 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: that where you have two people sitting next to each 44 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: other totally different ideas. 45 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: What what you certainly can you have to say, lawyers 46 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: and planners could spend their whole lives trying to interpret 47 00:01:59,280 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: the Act. 48 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: So would you say, Alan, that one of the most 49 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: important things in what we see today is actually some 50 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: certainty and very clear guidelines, not even guidelines, just very 51 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: clear as to what this is saying, rather than leaving 52 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: it open to people making up their own minds. 53 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely, there needs to be clarity and certainty. If I 54 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: could give you an example, you know, part of our 55 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:24,399 Speaker 2: sustainable construction practices, we prefer to reuse construction and demolition 56 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: ways from one site on another site. But if there's 57 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: the minutest part of contaminant in the soil and that's 58 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: defined by the local council officers, we have to send 59 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: that to Landfall. It's costing two point four billion dollars 60 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: additional costs a year to do that. 61 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, just crazy. Alan, Thanks very much, appreciate your time. 62 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: Is Alan poll Out and bested like at one o'clock, 63 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: CEO of Civil Contractors n Z. 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