1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Gavin Gray UK correspondence with US Elogevin Eiver heard that 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: this claim from Peter Mandelsson that somebody took the met 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: that he was going to flee, Is this for real? 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, I think the suggestion was that he 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: had already agreed with the police that he was going 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 2: to attend an interview with them next month on a 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 2: voluntary basis. Then, of course the next thing we see 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: is that the media managed to capture the moment at 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: which he's actually arrested, and of course then returned home 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 2: after some twelve hours or nine hours. Really, I suppose 11 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: my maths is missing some nine hours later, released on 12 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: bail with the investigation continuing, and taken home roughly two 13 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: am in the morning. And what is solicitous are saying, Look, 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,319 Speaker 2: this was a baseless suggestion he was planning to leave 15 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 2: the country and to take up residents abroad. There's no 16 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: truth in suggestion anyway, and why the police acted this 17 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: way is something that we want answered. This, of course, 18 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: all relates to the Epstein files. Lord Peter Mandelsson was 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: the sacked was the UK ambassador to the US. He 20 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: was sacked. He twice had to resign from government under 21 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 2: Tony Blair, and this after his connections to Jeffrey Epstein 22 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 2: and that charge, that same allegation, should I say, no charge, 23 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 2: same allegation against him, that of misconduct in public office, 24 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 2: is the very same one that Andrew mount Batten Windsor faces. 25 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: Why is it that the cops turned up with body 26 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: cams and that seems excessive, doesn't it? 27 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 2: The police in London where body cams as a matter 28 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 2: now of course they've wielded out because so often people 29 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: say you did this and the police had to then 30 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: hold an investigation. It is meant to be away in 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: which that kind of argument stops going to court. 32 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: What do you make of the assertion that he has 33 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: made that somebody had essentially orchestrated his arrest. 34 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: Well, you know, this is a man under huge pressure 35 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: at the moment. The allegation is that he gave information 36 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: that was confidential about the British government's plans to Jeffrey 37 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: Epstein via email, very similar to the one with Prince Andrew, 38 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 2: and of course that money could be made out of 39 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: knowing what was going to happen in one of them. 40 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: It's a pairing to suggest and discuss that he said 41 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 2: that the tax on bankers bonuses was being discussed with 42 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 2: the government, and also on a separate thing, appeared to 43 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: confirm there was an imminent bailout package for the euro 44 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 2: on the day before it was announced back in twenty ten. 45 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: Both those pieces of information would have been very useful 46 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 2: the people in the right places, and it said that 47 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein knew those people in the right places. So 48 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: that is why this is so serious, and that is 49 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: why it is all over our newspapers today. 50 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can quite believe that. Now, why is it 51 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: that the director of the louver has only quick now? 52 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, good question. I think a lot of people think 53 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 2: that what have we had? We've had, of course, the massive, 54 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 2: very high profile daylight robbery of the Crown Jaws back 55 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 2: in October of last year. You'll remember that thieves used 56 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: to stolen vehicle mounted mechanical lift to gain access to 57 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: the museum from a balcony close to the River Sine 58 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: made off with some one hundred and seventy million New 59 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: Zealand dollars worth of jewelry, it is estibated. Since then, 60 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: the museum has also had a scandal involved in a 61 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: suspected ticket fraud scheme where tickets were being recycled, particularly 62 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: to Chinese tourists, and the money was being taken by 63 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: those in the gang. And also we've had two water 64 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: leaks at the Louver as well. So yes, plenty of 65 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: people thinking that actually Laurence Descar should have submitted their 66 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: resignation much earlier, but she finally has. President Emmanuel Macron 67 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: praised her decisions, saying at the time that the museum 68 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: needed calm and strong new impetus to successfully carry out 69 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: major improvements involving security and modelization. But by and Lars, 70 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: the confidence I think in the lou for housing priceless 71 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 2: artworks has really plummeted these last few months. 72 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: Kevin, it's good to talk to us. Always talk to 73 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: you on Friday. Devin Gray, UK correspondent. 74 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 75 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 76 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.