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Speaker 1: Hello, I am Paula Bennett and welcome to my new

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Speaker 1: Zealand Herald podcast. Asked me anything, The one thing I've

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Speaker 1: learned in life is it's never too late to learn

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Speaker 1: something new.

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Speaker 2: So on this.

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Speaker 1: Podcast, I talked to people from all walks of life

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Speaker 1: to hear about how they've got to where they are.

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Speaker 1: Getzmandvice and guidance on some of life's biggest questions. JJ

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Speaker 1: feenies radio career started back in nineteen ninety one when

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Speaker 1: she was just seventeen.

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Speaker 2: Do the math people who?

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Speaker 1: She hosted the night show on Energy if a new

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Speaker 1: Plymouth Lego. She has gone on to so many roles

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Speaker 1: we feel like we know who. She's been at so

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Speaker 1: many stations and has become one of our music broadcasting greats.

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Speaker 1: But at the beginning of July, JJ signed off her

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Speaker 1: last radio show or I'm feeling a little.

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Speaker 2: After thirty three years.

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Speaker 1: So she is obviously here to talk to me today

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Speaker 1: through the decision and I'm dying to find out what

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Speaker 1: she's up to.

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Speaker 2: JJ.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hi, thanks for having me. It's good to be here. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, there's not many podcasts I go on. You know,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot out there, but I'm a big fan

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Speaker 3: of you. Ah, I love that. It's good to have

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Speaker 3: you here. You're an inspiring woman yourself at least not going.

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Speaker 1: I think we're all about the same, same underneath it

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Speaker 1: all thought, we'll go the same blodody. Let's talk about that, Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 1: some quick fire questions. So if you go to the

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Speaker 1: pub or for a drink with any celebrity, who would

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Speaker 2: Oh? God? Probably think she's just been so fun. See

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Speaker 2: she is inspiring.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and also I reckon she'd be quite you know,

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Speaker 3: she'd be a bad influence. So yeah, we get up

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Speaker 3: to so much mischief it'd be fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No,

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Speaker 3: she's one of my goddiesses.

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Speaker 2: I think she's right. Do you have a drink of choice?

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Speaker 3: I'll probably go if I'm out at the par bog

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Speaker 3: of vodka limb soide just very boring, unless, like, if

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Speaker 3: I'm going to mix it up with cocktails, I don't

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Speaker 1: But yeah, vocal, I'm soda, Okay, favorite bar, pub, restaurant

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Speaker 1: anywhere in the world.

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Speaker 2: Oh, anywhere in the world. That's tough. You've just been

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Speaker 2: to Ballet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Bali has exceptional food, world class.

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Speaker 2: People who haven't been there would not imagine. But it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: That really is a yea flavor fusion.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a foodie, but I know good food when

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Speaker 3: I see it. There's so many amazing restaurants there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. God, that's tough. That's tough. I'd just

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Speaker 2: like to go where there's a good vibe.

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Speaker 3: You know, when it feels nice, you feel relaxed, and

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Speaker 3: you think, yeah, this is gonna be fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to go in depth into your decision

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Speaker 1: to walk away from radio and the second segment and

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Speaker 1: get some advice on how to how to have a restart.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to call it, yeah, you know, restart your life,

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Speaker 1: and I've been there and done that, and talk a

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Speaker 2: But I mean, how hard was it to do the

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Speaker 1: Was it?

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Speaker 2: By the time I got to the last show, I.

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Speaker 3: Think it was fine. It was actually hard to make

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Speaker 3: the decision to leave. So I had had been thinking

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Speaker 2: Really, I just felt.

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Speaker 3: Worn out, tired, stale, and I knew I wasn't putting

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that last day, then it's not quite a relief,

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Speaker 1: but you've made. Getting to the decision is often harder

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Speaker 3: Just yeah, yeah, I mean it was quite It was

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, how are you now? I mean, you

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Speaker 1: just had some time in Balley. Yeah, I went to

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Speaker 1: Bali three weeks, good time. And you got around, didn't you?

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Speaker 1: You in seminic and you're ubered and yeah all around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because I've been. I've been twice before in

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Speaker 2: Or just yeah, did you have a favorite? Oh? So hard, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know they're all favorites for different reasons because all

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ubert is just so cool, as guessaid, Uberd was

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Speaker 1: my favorite. Yeah, but I stayed in a treehouse, did you, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and there was only ten other couples there.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so it was just quiet.

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Speaker 1: And all loganic and yeah, I'm not normally into to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you're on holiday, you need to relax, right.

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Speaker 3: You obviously went there for a relaxation and what perfect

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Speaker 2: Then in a treehouse in the middle of the forest.

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Speaker 1: So you're an influencer, So do you do you get

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Speaker 1: so do they shout you and you do?

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Speaker 2: Noes? No, no, no, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 3: Not a single thing was was free, not a single thing.

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Speaker 3: I don't go out asking people to give me stuff.

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Speaker 3: I don't ring ring hotels and go Hi.

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Speaker 2: I've got one.

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Speaker 1: Hundred thousand followers on Facebook. Will you let me say that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that. That's not me.

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Speaker 3: And because they're running businesses, he and they must not

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Speaker 3: every single bloody want to be influencer, ask them. So

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Speaker 3: I just don't want to be that person at all,

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Speaker 3: and you know I had the money to go. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: if someone wants to give me something for free, I'll

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Speaker 3: happily take it, but I'm not going to.

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Speaker 1: Ask for it. No, no, No, that's very cool. I

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Speaker 1: understand completely. Okay, we canna talk about radio bit later,

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Speaker 1: but I just so you've launched this new business, so

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Speaker 1: let's talk a bit about that. So what Pod Lab? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so you've been doing up the garage. Whose garage

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Speaker 3: It was actually originally owned by Red Bull. Yeah, it

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Speaker 3: was their original premises. It's big, ninety square meter garage.

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Speaker 3: They had a ramp so they drive all their vehicles

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Speaker 1: I said, that's bigger than most people's apartments these days. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big space.

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Speaker 3: And then these two well the one studio and in

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So it's a because red Bull had built the studio,

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Speaker 2: It's very it's all very old.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, and the garage is gross, like it

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Speaker 3: and blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we've better tell everyone who we is. So

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Speaker 1: it's me and oh myke'es husband bonkers and such a

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we get on.

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Speaker 1: We get on so well, we're a great team. Yeah together.

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Speaker 1: So he's very very creative. He's got a genius mind

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Speaker 1: for that. Not very good at admin at all. It's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So he wanted to because he's got his podcast, yeah,

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Speaker 3: the Dom Harvey podcast, which has been going for about

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Speaker 3: So he had said that he wanted to do this

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Speaker 3: I was thinking, I'm going to have three weeks in

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Speaker 3: for about, you know, two or three months and just

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Speaker 2: But next minute, I was, oh, boy, okay.

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Speaker 1: Scraping wolves and yeah, organizing Edmund and yeah, just talking

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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you off a little bit because

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Speaker 1: older than news, so I'm allowed to. I was reading

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking, what you've had is a successful marriage,

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Speaker 1: and then you've had this successful separation that just not

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Speaker 1: many people do. Yeah, I know, but you're not allowed

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Speaker 1: to use that word. Okay, thanks you do. You can't

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Speaker 1: help but feel like it didn't work. Yeah, but then

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Speaker 1: it did work. When it did work, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: we are still legally married. So it was our twentieth

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Speaker 3: You go, you go, no, but you know, yeah, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm lucky. I'm lucky because we will still be close forever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, just the romance is not there, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that's right.

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Speaker 1: So then you make a decision, and I call it

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Speaker 1: and it's not just about relationships and that sort of thing,

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Speaker 1: but it's some pavil I also think we've got to

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Speaker 1: own the life we lead. Yeah, and if it's not working,

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Speaker 1: and it's not then actually, there's a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: women like you and me who do have choices, and

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Speaker 1: so you've got to make them sometimes. Yeah, But also

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Speaker 1: like you've got to also think you can't think what

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Speaker 1: everyone else is going to say or say about you,

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Speaker 1: because we'd never get anything done because there are so

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Speaker 1: many bloody opinions out there. And I hate it when

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Speaker 1: someone tries to give me the uneducated opinion about my

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Speaker 1: adamant that they're right.

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Speaker 3: I know, and it's just like, shut up, I'm not

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Speaker 3: judging your life perself out of mind.

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Speaker 1: I said to someone recently, has it ever occurred to

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Speaker 1: And he looked at me shocked, you know, like it's

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Speaker 1: just not occur to me at all. Of course I'm

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Speaker 1: a hundred percent correct. You are a great And I

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Speaker 3: Each day would be the best job in the world.

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Speaker 3: There's been days when I would be and even my

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Speaker 3: Ours, I know, And that was like one of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, get you the guests you want or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Who's who's been your favorite? If I don't say.

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Speaker 1: Dom he'll kill me if I don't say Flanny, He'll

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Speaker 2: No, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: When I worked with Mike, bro and Dom that was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is good.

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Speaker 2: That get pies and doughnuts and all this. And it's

442
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,320
Speaker 2: just like you could not do that now. But at

443
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:36,439
Speaker 2: the time it was supposedly hilarious. I'm finding it quite funny. Well,

444
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 2: I mean because if you ever got to see a

445
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:39,119
Speaker 2: humor it's funny.

446
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 3: But if you were offended by person, you'll be like, oh,

447
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 3: you can't talk about weight and yeah, be encouraging people

448
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,360
Speaker 3: to lose weight to put on my But I mean

449
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 3: it just was what it was.

450
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 2: It was just entertainment.

451
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is a bit of their If you're offended,

452
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,160
Speaker 1: don't listen, That's what I'm thinking.

453
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 2: Just you can turn it off. It's free as well,

454
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 2: you don't. Yeah, we're not making you listen to.

455
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 3: That's the one thing I don't get about people who

456
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 3: complain about a service they're getting for free that they

457
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 3: don't have to have. Like, sure, if you go to

458
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 3: a restaurant and there's a here in your dinner you're

459
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 3: paying for that you shouldn't have to pay. But if

460
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 3: you're listening to the radio or watching TV and it's free,

461
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 3: what just change the channel if you're if you're mad,

462
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 3: why don't come complaining to me?

463
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 1: No, no, I hear you, and I agree completely. I

464
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 1: agree completely. So do you think that music radio will survive?

465
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 3: Oh that's tough. I mean nothing has killed radio since

466
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,640
Speaker 3: radio began. Like every time a new technologies come out,

467
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 3: people have said, oh, CDs, that's gonna kill radio. You know,

468
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 3: all music TV that's gonna kill radio. Spotify that's gonna

469
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 3: kill radio. Nothing will kill radio. Radio is still like

470
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 3: number one most listen to audio medium in the world,

471
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 3: but it is slowly declining. And in my opinion, it's

472
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 3: because for commercial radio, because we've lost that ability to

473
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 3: be ourselves and connect with an audience like we used to.

474
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 3: Like now it's all very cookie cutter. You know, you

475
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 3: have to do things this way, and you have to

476
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 3: do a wacky phone topic and get people to call in,

477
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 3: and it's all cool and stuff and you have your

478
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 3: relatable stories.

479
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 2: But I just feel like.

480
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 3: That podcasting is going to be where people go to

481
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 3: get a connection more.

482
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: The radio is easy.

483
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 3: You can turn it on and it's just there and

484
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 3: the music plays and the people talk, and that's fine,

485
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 3: and I don't think it's going to die anytime soon,

486
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 3: but I do think that radio programmers have got to

487
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 3: watch out for how the connections happen.

488
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 2: With podcasters now.

489
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 3: Because you're going to choose a podcast to listen to

490
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 3: because you like the host, you like the person on it,

491
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 3: or you love the subject or whatever it is.

492
00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:58,959
Speaker 2: It's very intimate.

493
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,479
Speaker 1: You've got your earphones in and you might be running,

494
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 1: walking the dog, you might be doing the housework, you're

495
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: in the car, you do it by yourself, you're alone.

496
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 3: So you're going to find this super connection with a podcaster.

497
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 3: And it's sort of a bit. It used to be

498
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 3: that in radio, but I think it's getting less and

499
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 3: less with music radio.

500
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: Is it the audience that demands it or is it

501
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: the advertisers. All the advertisers a necessary for the station

502
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 1: to you know, exist, But it's the audience that demands

503
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: it because they're going to prove, they're going to show

504
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: you that they don't want what you're giving them by

505
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: turning off.

506
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, the ratings are so key, So you can see

507
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 3: there's a slight slight to decline. But mainly actually it

508
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 3: is with the younger generation too, because they didn't grow

509
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 3: up with a radio in their house. They didn't grow

510
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 3: up like we did. So the older generation, I'm going

511
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 3: to say maybe thirty plus or thirty five plus, not

512
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 3: saying that anyone who's thirty years old, but you know,

513
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 3: we grew up with radios in our house, so we like,

514
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 3: we get in the car, we turn on the radio.

515
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 3: So that's all fine, but eventually we're all gonna, you know, die,

516
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 3: and the young people coming in, who's going to have

517
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 3: a radio in their house? So I'm just not sure

518
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 3: long long term radio is going to have to evolve more.

519
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 2: Thank you're right.

520
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about my twenty three year old Yeah, and stepdaughter,

521
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: and she just wouldn't.

522
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think she listens.

523
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: To the radio.

524
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm hearing more and more now people say I

525
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 3: listened to a podcast in my car, and that's where

526
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 3: the radio listening needs to happen. That's where we rely

527
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 3: on listeners people in cars. So it's quite a scary.

528
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 3: It's kind of scary it's not going to happen. Quickly

529
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 3: or anything. But just radio just has to They're doing

530
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 3: well with having the apps and things that you can

531
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 3: connect to your phone, but it definitely has to be

532
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 3: as little if it is possible for people totally. Yeah,

533
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 3: it's a big move to leave without having something else

534
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 3: to go to.

535
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I did it.

536
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: You know, I did it in politics and I'd know

537
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: him for a couple of years. You know. I sort

538
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: of tell the story of, you know, being with Bill

539
00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: English and he said, I'm going to let you know

540
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: that next few days you're going to announce that I'm

541
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: retiring from you know, and a tear sort of ran

542
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: down my face and he goes, oh god, I didn't

543
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: think you'd care that, you know, you'd be that emotion.

544
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just jealous.

545
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 2: I've had that from lots of my workmates too.

546
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 3: Oh I'm so jealous that you can do that, or

547
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 3: that you've got the guts to do it, the guts

548
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 3: to do it as soon as guts.

549
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do know that.

550
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: So what advice would you give to people that PEPs

551
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: are in jobs where they just are feeling booned out,

552
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: a feeling tired and not enjoying it as much what

553
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: advice would you give them As far as that process

554
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: to go through to make a decision whether it's stay

555
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: or go like it.

556
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 3: You do have to come to a you know, you

557
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 3: do have to work it over in your head for

558
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 3: a little bit. It's not going to be an instant decision.

559
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 3: But I just say, just try and get to get

560
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 3: to the decision as quick as possible, and just just

561
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 3: grab grab life by the bulls and do it, because

562
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 3: what is the worst that's going to happen?

563
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: And if you think about everybody.

564
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 3: Who's been in a situation where they've lost their job

565
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 3: or a partner, or their house or whatever anything like that,

566
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: it is terrible. At the time, it's like, oh my god,

567
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: how can I move on from this? But then not

568
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: long after that, you find a way, you pick yourself up,

569
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 3: you move forward, and most of those people will say

570
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 3: that was the best thing that ever happened to me.

571
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 3: I hear that so often and see that so often

572
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 3: that I thought, I'm just going to do it because

573
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 3: I need to, because I'm so unhappy. I'm so tired

574
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 3: and stressed out. You know, I don't want to feel

575
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 3: like this anymore. So I just think if you're in

576
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: a bad situation where you're not enjoying it. Whether it

577
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 3: be a relationship or a workplace or whatever it is.

578
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: Just just do it. Take the leap, Take the leap,

579
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: things will come. And yeah, as you get a bit

580
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: older as well, I've learned that, you know, you go

581
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: through ups and downs and that's a part of life.

582
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: And so sometimes when I'm struggling a bit, and whether

583
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: it's you know, and I just I also know though

584
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: now to take a breath, that this might be a

585
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: moment and it might pass, so, you know, and then

586
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: when it's like okay, it's you know, it's weak sex,

587
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: you know, like this, it's not just a moment.

588
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 2: This is ongoing.

589
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: So I need to change something, you know, And I

590
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: do have the power to do that.

591
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I'm not saying be spontaneous at all. No,

592
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: Like I said, you and I both know took a

593
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 3: couple of years, and it does because you have to

594
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 3: be really ready and sure. And and I didn't hate it, no,

595
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, if you hated something, you'd

596
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: be easier, right, And I didn't hate it either, but

597
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 3: I just couldn't deal with the mental exhaustion every day. Yeah, yeah,

598
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 3: and I just thought, maybe it's because I'm older. Now,

599
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 3: you know, i'm middle aged, So maybe I just because

600
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 3: I don't have the energy I used to have. Yeah,

601
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 3: but I'm still having to output the same same energy.

602
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 3: So I knew that it was just I'm tired, so

603
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: maybe I need to slow down as well.

604
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: So did you need a plan in place to do it? Well,

605
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: the only thing because I did.

606
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 3: I honestly had no idea what I was going to do,

607
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: and I just thought, oh my god, I don't know.

608
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 3: I'll do some m seeing, I'll do, you know, I'll

609
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 3: pick up jobs here and there. But I thought I

610
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 3: figured out, okay, I need to like get enough money

611
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 3: together that I can live for three four months without

612
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 3: without pay, just so that I know I'm not going

613
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: to be panicked.

614
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

615
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, I just sort of saved up a bit

616
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: and then I felt ready to do it. Yeah yeah, yeah,

617
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 3: just like having that because you don't want to be

618
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 3: stressed and have no money to not pay your rent

619
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 3: and all that stuff.

620
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: No, just get the support or just get prepared. I think, yeah, yeah,

621
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: that's what I do. And I think being for me

622
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: as well. There, well, I didn't know what I was

623
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: going to do, and I've been doing a lot of

624
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: different things and being open to opportunities. Yeah, so that's fun.

625
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: But equally not to be so proud that I didn't

626
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: take a job. Yeah, because some people get a bit

627
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: full of themselves. I'm talking about ex politicians mainly. Yeah. Yeah,

628
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: you know, well if you're like you have more fun.

629
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: I think if you leave yourself open to do different things.

630
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

631
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: And also you'd know this too when you were free

632
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 3: of something. Opportunities just come to you because people know

633
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: you're available or whatever, and they go, oh, I don't know,

634
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 3: I'll get oh I asked Paul, or if she wants

635
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: to do this, or yeah, that's straight to do that.

636
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 3: And so actually I've had lots of opportunities and office

637
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: of little side hustles and stuff to do and all that.

638
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: So that's that's cool. Yeah, that's very cool.

639
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: Aim. So do you call it a kind of a

640
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: reset of life? I mean, what's yeah?

641
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: I think so, because I really thought call it a

642
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 3: midlife crisis.

643
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: But you know, I turned fifty in March.

644
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: And I sort of thought, Okay, this has been the

645
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: first half of my life. Well, you know, I'm not

646
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: going to live to one hundred, but maybe it will.

647
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 3: This is, you know, the first half of my life,

648
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: and I've really done everything I thought I could. I

649
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 3: just honestly didn't think there's anything more I could do

650
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 3: in radio. I don't think, especially not music radio. So

651
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 3: I thought, I need I want. What's my the second

652
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: half of my life going to look?

653
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: Like?

654
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 3: Can I do this again for another thirty years? I

655
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: don't think so so.

656
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, but there as a woman age thing

657
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: and it as well if you want to reinvent And

658
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: I was trying to explain this to a room full

659
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: of men the other day and because they were like.

660
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: What del you know what I mean?

661
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: Well, because I knew I was going to leave anywhere,

662
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: and there is this window of opportunity for a woman

663
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: over fifty. I could reinvent myself at fifty fifty two,

664
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: couldn't reinvent myself at sixty? You all wouldn't let me, Yeah,

665
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: And they went, actually, that's true. I just it is, well,

666
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: there's something there is, yeah, but a complete change of

667
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: career or you know what I mean? Like it is

668
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: there is I think there is a window for women

669
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: in particular as well. And I'm sure a whole lot

670
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: of men would actually feel that too. I mean, it's

671
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: terrifying to do something new after you've just done the

672
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: one thing. Yeah, and particularly when you've been good at it,

673
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: and so people still do that. I mean, obviously you're

674
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: so recognizable. So do people talk about it when you

675
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah.

676
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, Strangers who see me out they'll tell me I'm

677
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: miss hearing you on the radio in the afternoons, or

678
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 3: or they will say, oh, how's retirement going, you know.

679
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: But I do get quite a few messages of people

680
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: saying they really miss me. But I think it's because

681
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: radio is a habit as well, and so you're used

682
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 3: to hearing. No one likes change, so when there's a

683
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: different voice on the radio, you know, it takes a

684
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 3: little while to warm up to the new voice.

685
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: So what's the key to surviving the spotlight? Oh God,

686
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: you've to have a thick skin radio people, politicians can't.

687
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: You just can't.

688
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: You just have to have a six skin and just

689
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: don't let other people's opinions get to you. Really, only

690
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: the opinions of the people that matter, like you know,

691
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: you're the people you work with and your family and

692
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: friends and things like that.

693
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. I always try to try.

694
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 3: And keep it positive and the spotlight, you know, I'm

695
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 3: always I love it when people come up to me

696
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 3: and talk to me and ask for photos and stuff.

697
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: I'll never turn anyone down.

698
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: I'll always be friendly and helpful to them because people

699
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 3: will talk about you. They'll tell you how their friends

700
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: they met you and what they thought of you. And

701
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 3: so I'll always try and be you know, positive and

702
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: happy because.

703
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: I generally are here and most people are lovely, right.

704
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I just don't take myself too seriously, like

705
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: I don't.

706
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:03,719
Speaker 2: I'm not a wanker.

707
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 3: I know where I came from, and I don't think

708
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 3: I'm better than anyone else.

709
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: And I've been.

710
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: Lucky to have such a good life. But I don't

711
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna I've been in a good position, but

712
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't, you know, I don't.

713
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't have a big ego about it. Yeah, yeah, well,

714
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: I reckon.

715
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: There's some really good advice in there that you know,

716
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: if you're not happy and it's not kind of working

717
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: for you, take some time, work through a process. But

718
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: as you say, make a decision, because actually making it

719
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: as the hardest. But yeah, yeah, definitely is. Yeah, so

720
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: might we see back in radio one day?

721
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: If you see me back in radio, it's probably because

722
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: my business didn't work.

723
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: Out and i'd need to earn some regular money.

724
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 3: No, I don't know. I was like I was, I

725
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: don't know. At the moment, I'll say no. But even

726
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 3: though I'd love to do talk back at some point,

727
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 3: but I have no experience in it, so whether or

728
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: not i'd even get that option unity, but.

729
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: Never say never. Yeah, but just it's so soon right now.

730
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 3: I only left a couple of months ago, and I

731
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: really am so busy setting up, you know, the pod

732
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: lab business.

733
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

734
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: Just to be really clear to anyone that's listening, I

735
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: would never go back to politics. Okay, it's my most

736
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: asked question, or do you go back? And I'm just like,

737
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? I don't even know why you

738
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: did it, though, I mean, it's amazing that you did.

739
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: It got on you, But who would want to be

740
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: a politician? You get the most criticism. People are so

741
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: nasty to politicians.

742
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know they really they really make things

743
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: personal and it's just really unfair and uncool.

744
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

745
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: Weird day, but like younger than I am actually open handle.

746
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just got to ignore it. You know, everyone's

747
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: got an opinion.

748
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: Everyone knows exactly what should be happening in the country,

749
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: but they don't want to stand up and do it themselves.

750
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: Anyway, that was meet being a bit mony.

751
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: Okay, to end our advice segment, I would love to

752
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: know the best advice you were ever given and who

753
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: was it given by.

754
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: Oh that is tough, because oh god, I'm not. I'm not,

755
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 2: I'm not. I don't have a great memory for specific

756
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 2: things like that.

757
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: I'm just always like I'm inspired by the advice of

758
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: like just keeping your eye on the prize.

759
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 3: You know, what are you here for and what is

760
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 3: the end goal? And just don't give up because there's

761
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 3: going to be people trying to cut you down, try

762
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: to tell you you're not good enough, trying to tell

763
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 3: you you can't do it. But ignore them because they

764
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 3: just they just just distractions.

765
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 2: Just keep your eye on the prize and go for it.

766
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: Love it.

767
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: Just keep trying. Okay, JJ, how did you know it's

768
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: just your name?

769
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: JJ?

770
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 3: I was born Jaqueline Joanne Ah infinated because my mum

771
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 3: wanted to call me JJ, after some character on TV

772
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 3: in the seventies, and my dad said, oh, you can't

773
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 3: call you JJ has to stand for something. So mum

774
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 3: named me after her mum watch Jacqueline and her mum's

775
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 3: friend Joanne, who had passed away from cancer.

776
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 2: So that was my name. But next day you got JJ.

777
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I've never been called Jacqueline Joanne or I

778
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 3: was called Jackie at school for.

779
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: A little bit. Yeah, but I changed my name by.

780
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 3: Deed Pole a few years ago because it's just confusing

781
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: having two names. Yeah, okay, JJ.

782
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: The podcast is called Ask Me Anything, and so far

783
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: I've done only asking, So this is your opportunity to

784
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: ask me something if you'd like to.

785
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 3: Well, I've just always wanted to know, like, because politics

786
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 3: are so you know, it's such a hard, horrible, horrible

787
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 3: thing from the outside looking in. But must have been

788
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 3: some good perks. So three perks being the deputy Prime minister.

789
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 2: Maybe. Yeah. By the way, there's not.

790
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: All the superannuation perks that everyone thinks there are when

791
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: you leave. There's not the travel perks that everyone thinks

792
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: you get when you leave. So that's that left and

793
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six So when I'm listening to talk back

794
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: and I hear people.

795
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: Going, oh, there stayed nine years so they could get

796
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: all the perks, I literally shout at the radio, well

797
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: say that, say that.

798
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: Now, tell me what's true, what's.

799
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: Not about the perse Yeah, so there's none of those perks.

800
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 2: You are well paid, there's no ways about it.

801
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: When you're in the job, people, particularly when you're a minister,

802
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: people would think that getting the Crown car and a driver.

803
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: Was a perk.

804
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: I actually would that would be one that I would

805
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: argue that is not a perk really, because it's very

806
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: much just for your job. And the reason would be

807
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: I would go and visit a woman's refuge. I would

808
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: sit with a woman who has been through, you know,

809
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: some of the most traumatic, horrific stuff I've ever heard of.

810
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: And you know, to the point where you know, a

811
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: little known to the public is that you know, we

812
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: actually do into country swaps. In some cases a woman

813
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: that can't even you know, can't even stay in the

814
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: same country.

815
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: Because it's that bad.

816
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, So You're sitting there one on one, listening

817
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: to the you know, most and then I get in

818
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: that car and ten minutes later, I'm expected to entertain

819
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: a room of one hundred and fifty people.

820
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so a.

821
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: Driver driving me and me not having to think about

822
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: where I park, and me being able to read my

823
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: papers and hop in the car and have a wee

824
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: cry and then go big girl, pencil, you know, get up,

825
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: get up off the floor and talk into the microphone

826
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: that you had to So that's why, like, and you're

827
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: always late. And I was actually thinking the other day,

828
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 1: I don't miss it by it was always a perk

829
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: that came with the job. Yep, So it wasn't ever real,

830
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: but I was I must have when I was driving

831
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: the other day and I just thought, God, I would

832
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: have so much more time if someone drive, you know,

833
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: I was hurt of uber. I would get so much

834
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: more done, you know, like that hour in the morning

835
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: sitting in traffic I imagine getting I would get an

836
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: hour's work done. It was the only way I could

837
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: keep And my husband even now, he goes, I just

838
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: don't know how you read as much as you do

839
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: in a moving car, And I said, because of my job,

840
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: I just had to. Yeah, you know, I didn't have

841
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: the luxury of sitting there and watching the world.

842
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: Goes go By.

843
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 3: I know there's a lot of things to read when

844
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: you're a politician, a lot, and you're expected to be

845
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 3: out with that, right, which is fair enough because obviously

846
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 3: I know Stephen Joyce.

847
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he started he gave me my first job

848
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: and raising. Yeah he would have and you Blimmer. He

849
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: refers to me as his uncle and I'm his niece.

850
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, so he hired me from high school. Wow.

851
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 3: So I've seen I've even seen his diary when he

852
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: was a minister and how oh he ticket is and

853
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 3: all the paperwork. Hes he wasn't even the prime minister.

854
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 3: So I'm like, what the hell does the prime minister

855
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 3: have to read every night? And we in the sleep? Yeah,

856
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 3: I sympathize.

857
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm sure people think the car is a perk,

858
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: but I just think it's absolutely necessary for you to

859
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: do your job and you're having very consci very confidential

860
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: conversations and so I completely respect and trusted the drivers

861
00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: and you couldn't do that.

862
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true because how often did you get.

863
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: A text your and uber and they recognize you and

864
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: then they tell you something about someone? Ow I once

865
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: had a labor and they did it, and I just

866
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: think well, if you're willing to say that about them,

867
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: you're going to say something about me. Yeah, so I

868
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: just don't talk to them. Then I think, well, no,

869
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: they're going to say that she was a road bitch.

870
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm okay with that. Oh well, I mean,

871
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: if you're a politician, you're allowed to have that reputation

872
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: a little bit, Stewdie, Yeah you can, Okay.

873
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 3: I don't think that wouldn't work with me. That wouldn't

874
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 3: if I had the reputation of being a road bitch.

875
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 3: That wouldn't help my ratings at all.

876
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: Now that I'm not on.

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Speaker 1: The radio, maybe you can try and dig into that

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Speaker 1: in a soul Okay, Jja.

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Speaker 2: I have loved having you here today. Thanks so much

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Speaker 2: for coming in.

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Speaker 1: All the best for what's coming up, but the plans

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Speaker 1: that you've already got, but equally for the opportunities that

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Speaker 1: I just know are going to come your way.

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, it's exciting. That's overwhelming.

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Speaker 1: And that except for another episode of Asking Me Anything.

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Speaker 1: If you've enjoyed this episode, please follow Ask Me Anything

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio or wherever you get your podcast.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you check out some of our past fabulous

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Speaker 1: guests because we are in season six now, and I'll

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Speaker 1: be back next Sunday with someone else who's fabulous.

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Speaker 2: I'm probably been asking me anything. Goodbye,