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Speaker 1: New Zealand's home for trusted news and views.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Alan on the Mic Hosking Breakfast with the

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Speaker 2: land Rover Discovery never Stop discovering News, togs Head, be.

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Speaker 3: Morning and welcome. Coming up today, the government's cracking down

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Speaker 3: on scams with an alliance of scambusters. It looks like

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Speaker 3: important Gas is a little bit of an expensive part dream.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have to drop that idea. We can also

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Speaker 3: chat to d mack ahead of tomorrow's test. Mitch McCann

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Speaker 3: is in the States, Dennis Shanahan is an Aussie, and

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Speaker 3: we're going to wrap the week with Tim and Trisha

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Speaker 3: after eight.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Alien.

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Speaker 3: Do not blows my mind is that there are people

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Speaker 3: who genuinely think that the government should buy out climate

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Speaker 3: damaged homes apparently forever. And these are not stupid people.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about academics and experts. But they have reacted

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Speaker 3: very badly to that expert advice that the government got

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Speaker 3: yesterday telling it to stop buying out flooded houses in

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Speaker 3: the next twenty years. These guys say it's morally bankrupt

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Speaker 3: not to buy them out, and it's quote not in

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Speaker 3: the best interests of the country to essentially leave it

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Speaker 3: to people's in de the dual decisions. Now, I would

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Speaker 3: argue that is exactly what we need to do, because

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Speaker 3: never mind being morally bankrupt, mopping up bad individual decisions

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Speaker 3: will leave us actually bankrupt. Think of this, someone's got

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Speaker 3: two billion today, We'll say today, someone's got two billion

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Speaker 3: dollars for a beach house. Now, they can either buy

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Speaker 3: a house up a hill where they know that it's

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Speaker 3: going to be safe from rising water, or they can

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Speaker 3: buy a house right on the beach, where they might

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Speaker 3: in fact get flooded and probably will. Where should they buy, Well,

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Speaker 3: if the experts have their way, they should put that

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Speaker 3: two million dollars straight into a house right next to

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Speaker 3: the beach, because we all know being next to the

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Speaker 3: beach is a better spot. And frankly, they can afford

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Speaker 3: to take their chances because if the water does reach them,

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Speaker 3: the government will simply buy the house and give them

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Speaker 3: their two million dollars back. That's perverse. People like that

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Speaker 3: need to know that the game is up. Sure, buy

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Speaker 3: the place next to the beach if you want to,

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Speaker 3: but you're on your own twenty years. People are still

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Speaker 3: to this day, mind bogglingly building on floodplaines, putting houses

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Speaker 3: in dumb places. And that's even after the cyclone Gabrielle

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Speaker 3: swallowed the Esk Valley in the Auckland floods drowned West Auckland.

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Speaker 3: If you accept climate science, then you accept that we

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Speaker 3: are not stopping climate change. Targets are not being met. Mitigation,

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Speaker 3: which is the cutting of emissions, is not working. All

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Speaker 3: we have left now is adaptation, which is moving out

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Speaker 3: of the way, building yourself a sea wall, strengthening bridges,

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Speaker 3: and not buying houses in dumb places. So no, the

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Speaker 3: government should not keep bailing out bad decisions forever.

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Speaker 1: News of the World in ninety seconds after.

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Speaker 3: Their love fest. Over the last thirty hours, Kierra Macron

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Speaker 3: have held a presser to explain how the two countries

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Speaker 3: will fix everything.

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Speaker 4: It is important to the UK and to France, but

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Speaker 4: it is really important in this age that we show

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Speaker 4: that social democracy has the answers to the threats that

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Speaker 4: we face across Europe and across the world.

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Speaker 3: The UK public haven't been overly enamored with Macron and

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Speaker 3: some of the issues he's been speaking about that are

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Speaker 3: affecting the UK, so he doubled down and hit out

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Speaker 3: at Brixit a bunch.

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Speaker 5: Of tree immigration, legal growth problems of the UK nine

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Speaker 5: years ago. Were these by brexit onswer No, they're being

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Speaker 5: sold by a government that wants to recommit with its

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Speaker 5: trusted partners in Europe.

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Speaker 3: The UK is also cracking down on illegal migrant workers,

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Speaker 3: with a big issue in the food delivery space.

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Speaker 6: We've put a new part of the law into the

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Speaker 6: Board Security Bill which has gone through Parliament, which will

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Speaker 6: extend our ability to find them sixty pounds per worker

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Speaker 6: to gig economy the gig economy sector.

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Speaker 3: A new security report has revealed around spies in the

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Speaker 3: UK haven't been quite as sneaky as they thought they were.

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Speaker 7: The attacks on individuals here, the indiscriminent nature and recklessness

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Speaker 7: of them could involve innocent bystanders and that's the concern.

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Speaker 7: And I think our scripts have been very good at

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Speaker 7: thwarteen fifteen attacks over the last few.

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Speaker 3: Years, and Stammer and Streeting still are not budging when

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Speaker 3: it comes to those doctor strikes.

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Speaker 8: I will not and cannot negotiate on this year's pay award.

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Speaker 8: I'm not going to lead resident doctors up the garden

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Speaker 8: path by making promises unless I know I can keep

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Speaker 8: them stateside.

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Speaker 3: It's been a year since the attempted assassination of Trump

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Speaker 3: in Butler and the other victims are still waiting for accountability.

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Speaker 9: They're hiding the Secret Service for some reason for just

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Speaker 9: hiding them. I don't know why they will not come

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Speaker 9: out and say what they did wrong and admit their

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Speaker 9: fulton all this.

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Speaker 3: Finally, we now have a new most expensive handbag in

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Speaker 3: the world. A month ago on the show, we told

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Speaker 3: you that Jane Berkins first ever Birken handbag is up auction.

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely smashed all expectations. It's sold for sixteen point

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Speaker 3: seven million New Zealand dollars, which breaks the record. The

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Speaker 3: hammer came down at thirteen point six mel. But then

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Speaker 3: there are a whole lot of fees attached to it

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Speaker 3: diamond and crocodile cali bag which sold for affordably a

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Speaker 3: like somebody's overpaid somewhere. Don't you think that is news

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Speaker 3: of the world. In ninety seconds on Macron, I tell

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Speaker 3: you what I cannot believe this morning, those two women

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Speaker 3: who did that four hour podcast claiming that Brigitte mcron

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Speaker 3: is a man, they have just been cleared by a court.

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Speaker 3: A court reckons that claiming for four hours that Brigitte

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Speaker 3: mcron is a man does not constitute defamation and instead

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Speaker 3: represents good faith free speech. What they said, let me

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Speaker 3: remind you, for four hours on YouTube was that she

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Speaker 3: was born as a baby boy. Baby boy's name was

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Speaker 3: that her first husband never existed. So yeah, entirely believable.

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Speaker 3: Thirteen past six.

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Speaker 3: Hey, just going back to something yesterday that lizard decision.

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Speaker 3: Looks at the development since I spoke to you yesterday

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Speaker 3: as it looks like Doc is going to do a

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Speaker 3: interesting thing here is how we came to be in this,

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Speaker 3: Like what happened to lead us to the point where

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Speaker 3: Doc said, no, I'm going to speak to Tama Pawtucket

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Speaker 3: about it. After half past six, I've got to tell

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Speaker 3: you that story at some stage. It's quarter pass right now,

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Speaker 3: Andrew callaher JMI Wealth is with me.

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Speaker 10: Morning Andrew, Good morning, Heather.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of that migration data?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 10: We all love migration data, don't we.

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Speaker 12: It seems to be one of those bits of data

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Speaker 12: that everyone seems to want to talk about. Look, but

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Speaker 12: before I talk about it, it is particularly susceptible to revision,

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Speaker 12: so we don't you know, we get these provisional numbers.

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Speaker 10: We don't get the actual numbers for months after the

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Speaker 10: lease of the data. But Heather, we we analyze it nonetheless.

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Speaker 12: So yeah, for the record, that permanent and long term

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Speaker 12: migration up one thousand, five hundred and thirty people for

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Speaker 12: fourteen thousand, eight hundred and nine. That number has fallen

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Speaker 12: to a two and a half year low. And if

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Speaker 12: we say compare it to the that's for twelve months

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Speaker 12: to the end of May. If we compare it to

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Speaker 12: the twelve months at the end of May twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 12: that annual number was just over eighty thousand. So it's

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Speaker 12: gone from eighty thoy to fifteen which is a pretty

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Speaker 10: And there's no hiding from this number. This is kind

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Speaker 12: Look at the revisions, Heather, because the direction of revisions

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Speaker 12: is always telling.

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Speaker 10: So we've seen quite a.

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Speaker 12: Lot of downward revisions this month to recent data, which

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Speaker 12: sort of gives you the feel for the momentum. And

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Speaker 12: it's a story of slowing arrivals of non New Zealand

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Speaker 12: citizens they don't want to come here anymore, and record

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Speaker 12: permanent long term departures that includes New Zealand citizens. So look, look,

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Speaker 12: it is pretty much a barometer on the New zeal economy.

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Speaker 12: And the cliche that people are voting with their feet,

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Speaker 12: it's actually quite apt right now, so we can use it.

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Speaker 12: We keep thinking about the possibility of net permanent long

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Speaker 12: term migration turning negative, you know, so we actually losing people.

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Speaker 12: The direction travel is definitely going that way. I think

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Speaker 12: it's unlikely, but I would say I'm not sure how

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Speaker 12: scientific that assessment is.

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Speaker 10: What does it all mean?

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Speaker 12: Well, Heather, our economic growth has been flattered migration, flattered

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Speaker 12: by migration, and we've tended just to add people to

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Speaker 10: The lack of it coming.

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Speaker 12: In now is one of those factors contributing to the

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Speaker 12: lackluster economy. It also means there's one less factor putting

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Speaker 12: upward pressure on prices in general, so less demand. The

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Speaker 12: RB and Z will note that, and specifically one less

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Speaker 10: Factor in the housing market.

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Speaker 12: So we're not seeing any pressure in the rental market

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we're heading there in big numbers.

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Speaker 12: So I think Andrew Dickens just said his son has

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Speaker 10: Stats highlighted this as well. So net thirty thousand.

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Speaker 12: People went to Australia in the twenty twenty four year,

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Speaker 12: quite similar to twenty twenty three actually, but the biggest

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Speaker 12: people fled across the ditch and roughly sixty percent of

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Speaker 12: the New Zealand citizens who depart go to Australia. It

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Speaker 12: is the magnet, It's always been the magnet that probably

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Speaker 3: Yeah, probably so. I mean, if you love the stats

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Speaker 3: data or migration You're going to love the trucking data

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Speaker 3: as well, aren't you.

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Speaker 1: I love trucks.

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Speaker 10: I love this data.

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Speaker 12: There's something very tangible about counting cars and trucks. No subjectivity,

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Speaker 12: no server. They're either there or they're not. Not much

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Speaker 12: to cheer about in this two pieces of data, like traffic.

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Speaker 12: I always remind people good indicator of the state of

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Speaker 12: demand as opposed to production. Gives you a six month

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Speaker 12: lead on momentum in the economy. It fell one point

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Speaker 12: three percent. If you take a step back year on year,

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Speaker 12: there's a faint upward slope in the data here.

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Speaker 10: I emphasize faint.

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Speaker 12: It's up zero point nine percent year on Yet heavy

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Speaker 12: traffic data trucks buses.

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Speaker 10: Are better stre on production.

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Speaker 12: Freight associated with hostol RETOL trade fell one point three percent,

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Speaker 12: same as light traffic, but there is a three percent

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Speaker 10: That's encouraging.

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Speaker 12: Suggest there is some sort of economic recovery. Nothing frothy heather,

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Speaker 12: But that last little piece of data is a slightly positive.

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Speaker 12: To sort of close out the week, I.

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Speaker 3: Guess absolutely, Hey, and you want to talk about in video.

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Speaker 12: Very quickly, market look, look ponder this. Over the weekend,

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Speaker 12: the market capitalization of in Nvidia is now through four

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Speaker 12: trillion dollars. That's worth more than the value of all

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Speaker 3: Get ticketed if I see them, they are And.

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Speaker 17: You think that you think that is a valuable use

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Speaker 17: This is an amazing cycling No handed violates Article two

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Speaker 3: Tarver agree with him entirely. Come at Paul Tucker, Minister

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Speaker 19: Next, setting the agenda and talking the big issues either

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Speaker 3: We're going to go to the US shortly with Mitch McCann.

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Speaker 3: Real pressure on those guys in Texas about the failure

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Speaker 20: There was a miscommunication. They weren't clear about information requirements

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Speaker 3: Are you absolutely confident there aren't going to be other

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Speaker 3: This Texas business is getting really quite I suppose that

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Speaker 3: really putting the screws on, aren't they?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, they certainly are. At least one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 21: people are still missing in Central Texas. No survivors have

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Speaker 21: been found in a number of days, and the death

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Speaker 21: toie is now at one hundred and twenty. And one

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Speaker 21: of the stories emerging is the response or the lack

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Speaker 21: of response to these floods. There are reports that the

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Speaker 21: emergency alerts were first sent out to people's mobile phones

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Speaker 21: about quarter past one in the morning on the fourth

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Speaker 21: of July. But even the county sheriff, who plays a

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Speaker 21: pretty critical role in this response, is he didn't know

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Speaker 21: about it until about five in the morning, when nine

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Speaker 21: to one one's started to come in. There was also

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Speaker 21: a meeting of mayors and judges earlier in the day

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Speaker 21: to talk about the possible flooding, but the mayor of Kerville,

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Speaker 21: where this was most affected. He said he knew nothing

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Speaker 21: about it and never received a call, So plenty of questions.

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Speaker 3: Talk to me about what's going on with these six

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Speaker 3: Secret Service members.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, So Sunday marks one year since the assassination attempt

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Speaker 21: on Donald Trump. We remember it last year and Butler, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 21: One person died, two were wounded, and of course Donald

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Speaker 21: Trump was struck in the ear by one of the bullets. Now,

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Speaker 21: the Secret Service Deputy director has given an interview here

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Speaker 21: in the US, and he's revealed what the ramifications were

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Speaker 21: for some of the Secret Service employees who were involved

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Speaker 21: in terms of what happened to them after the operational failure.

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Speaker 16: He called it.

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Speaker 21: What I found surprising is that no one was fired. Instead,

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Speaker 21: six personnel were suspended without pay for between ten and

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Speaker 21: forty two days. So no one was fired, but six

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Speaker 21: people were suspended.

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Speaker 3: Do we know yet? I mean, have we got sufficient

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Speaker 3: answers from these people about what went wrong?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 21: The Secret Services doing everything they can to fix what happened.

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Speaker 21: They say it was an operational failure. There wasn't enough

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Speaker 21: communication between the Secret Service and local law enforcement. But

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Speaker 21: the reason, they say they're not firing anyone is because

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Speaker 21: there's no point in quote, firing our way out of this.

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Speaker 21: They say they're going to focus on the root cause

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Speaker 21: and fix the deficiencies that put them there.

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Speaker 3: Mitch, do we know why the judges made this ruling

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Speaker 3: on the birthright citizenship?

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Speaker 21: Well, the judges has made this ruling saying it was

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Speaker 21: a pretty easy call. Now this is interesting because a

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Speaker 21: couple of weeks ago, the US Supreme Court said that

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Speaker 21: local judges could not continue to issue these nationwide injunctions.

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Speaker 21: So what we've been seen is that Trump administration would

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Speaker 21: come up with the law and in some judge in

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Speaker 21: maybe New Hampshire or Texas or whatever, would issue an

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Speaker 21: injunction for the entire country. But the exception here is

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Speaker 21: that they can do that if it's a class action,

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Speaker 21: and that's what we've seen today. So there is a

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Speaker 21: national band and at the moment on this birthright citizenship,

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Speaker 21: but we can expect the administration to challenge it and

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Speaker 21: it's likely to go back to the Supreme Court. So,

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Speaker 21: like many of these Trump rulings, it is getting confusing.

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Speaker 21: But Donald Trump is really determined to make this happen.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Mitch, Mitch, mccan us correspondent with feature story. News

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Speaker 3: is coming up twelve away from.

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Speaker 1: Seven ever due for ce Ellen.

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Speaker 3: So this is the email that proves how ugly the

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Speaker 3: Wellington mayoralty race has got. Ray Chung, who is running

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Speaker 3: for mayor, has been busted sending out an email spreading

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Speaker 3: gossip about Tory Farno, who is not running for mayor

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Speaker 3: but obviously as the incumbent mayor. The email's subject line

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Speaker 3: reads a sorted night on the town. Hi, folks, I

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Speaker 3: was told to keep this under your cap. Is being

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Speaker 3: reported by the Herald by the way, Hi folks, I

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Speaker 3: was taught to keep this under your cap and otherwise

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Speaker 3: it would lead to a Code of Conduct charge, So

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Speaker 3: please keep it to yourself, as I'm sure it will

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Speaker 3: be well known with so many people knowing it. The

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Speaker 3: email then describes how a neighbour's son and friends went

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Speaker 3: on a pub crawl and while they were doing that,

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Speaker 3: they were drinking. They were chatting up women and soul,

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Speaker 3: and a couple of women came up and groped their butts,

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Speaker 3: with one inviting him home for a night of sex

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Speaker 3: to beat any night you've ever experienced. They carried on

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Speaker 3: drinking with the women until one of the women talked

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Speaker 3: about having some drugs at home that would really cap

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Speaker 3: off their night and welcome in the new year. This is,

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Speaker 3: by the way, apparently twenty twenty two Ray wrights it

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Speaker 3: came to pass that this is what they did. They

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Speaker 3: had a night of debauchery. To be remembered. They described

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Speaker 3: some of the more physical attributes of this woman, including

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Speaker 3: her pendulous soft breasts. He then says, when about of

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Speaker 3: tempestuous sex had finished Verry Jane Austen language, the young

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Speaker 3: man asked the woman what she did for a living,

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Speaker 3: and the reply was don't you know who I am?

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Speaker 3: I am the Mayor of Wellington. Torri Fano herself has

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Speaker 3: given this email to the Herald in order to prove

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Speaker 3: the kind of gossip that she is subjected to. She

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Speaker 3: says that the email contents are false. She says, actually,

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Speaker 3: on New Year's Eve twenty twenty, she was with ambassadors

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Speaker 3: from the Diplomatic Corps and attended a Rainbow Community celebration.

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Speaker 3: Ray has since confirmed that yes, he did write the email,

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Speaker 3: but he has no idea if the contents are true.

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Speaker 3: He says he did no fact checking, but he found

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Speaker 3: it interesting and he thought his fellow counselors would also

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Speaker 3: find it interesting. He says it was a story he'd

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Speaker 3: heard from a neighbor while he was walking his dog,

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Speaker 3: and he attends to apologize to Tory Fano for passing it.

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Speaker 3: On ten Away from Seven.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplice Allen on the mic, hosting Breakfast with the

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Speaker 2: land Rover Discovery News Tom Tad b pendulous breast.

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Speaker 3: What a great describing word. I feel like Ray has

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Speaker 3: has missed his calling as a fantastic writer, don't you think,

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Speaker 3: because he certainly is quite evocative.

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Speaker 16: Did the neighbor use the word bendulous.

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Speaker 3: Or do you think one of those young men who

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Speaker 3: are having a great time allegiedly or perhaps the dog hyah.

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Speaker 3: It was a little bit of them, a little bit

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Speaker 3: of creative writing there, Ray Chung email your decision to

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Speaker 3: step down as a meyoral candidate without sending an email

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Speaker 3: about that decision, Thank you, Graham. Donald Trump has met

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Speaker 3: with those five Western African leaders, and probably the most

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Speaker 3: interesting thing to come from it is that he has

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Speaker 3: realized that Liberians can speak good English. He's praised the

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Speaker 3: Liberian president for quote speaking good English and asked him

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Speaker 3: where he went to school. Of course, Liberians speak good

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Speaker 3: English because English is the official language in the country.

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Speaker 3: Because in fact, many of them speak with an American

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Speaker 3: accent because it was founded by freed American slaves six

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Speaker 3: away from seven, all.

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Speaker 1: The ins and the outs. It's the fizz with business favor.

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Speaker 1: Take your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 3: Right, How high tech does this sound. Varda is a

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Speaker 3: space startup. Varda has just raised three hundred and ten

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Speaker 3: million dollars in its latest round of funding. Now this

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Speaker 3: brings their total funding race to five hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: million New Zealand dollars. Now, obviously you're wondering what is

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Speaker 3: it that they could possibly do well. They make drugs

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Speaker 3: in space. The main mission is to launch and return

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Speaker 3: drugs made in space. As they say that medicines crystallize

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Speaker 3: differently in orbit because of the gravitational difference. As they

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Speaker 3: call it micro gravity enabled drug formulation. So if they

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Speaker 3: can get into space more they will be able to

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Speaker 3: complete drugs that are currently too difficult to manufacture on Earth.

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty three, they were granted their first mission

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Speaker 3: to see if this would be at all successful. They

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Speaker 3: ended up completing and manufacturing the drug written over, which

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Speaker 3: is used in the treatment of HIV and AIDS. They've

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Speaker 3: since completed three space launchers, a fourth is currently in orbit,

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Speaker 3: and a fifth is expected due to be launched by

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Speaker 3: the end of the year. And with how messed up

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Speaker 3: the American pharmaceutical industry is, you can only imagine how

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Speaker 3: much a drug manufactured in space is going to cost,

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Speaker 3: and how wealthy it is likely going to make them.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it on the idea of manufacturing or rather importing allergy?

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Speaker 3: You'll remember this was floated by Simeon Brown. It was

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Speaker 3: last winter, wasn't it, when we're having that real crisis

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Speaker 3: about gas? You said, never mind, don't worry about it.

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Speaker 3: We'll just build a big terminal, we get some gas

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Speaker 3: and from Australia will be easy piece do.

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Speaker 16: Isn't it every window? Don't we just say that? I

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Speaker 16: just thought that was the regular week.

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Speaker 3: It is going to be the wants from here on.

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Speaker 3: And however, not as bad as you would think, because

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Speaker 3: they've done a study into this and it turns out,

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Speaker 3: in fact, we would not if we imported the gas.

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Speaker 3: We we would hardly ever use it, by the looks

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Speaker 3: of things. Would be occasionally we'd get round to it,

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Speaker 3: but importing it and doing it would be enormously expensive,

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Speaker 3: cost potentially up to a billion dollars. We could do

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Speaker 3: it in four years if we wanted to spend up

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Speaker 3: to a billion dollars. Anyway, it sounds increasingly like a

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Speaker 3: pipe dream. So we're going to have a chat to

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Speaker 3: one of the guys who commissioned that report. He'll be

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Speaker 3: with us after seven John Kerrey. Now you know John

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Speaker 3: Carey because he was a former US Secretary of State,

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Speaker 3: and of course, most importantly for the purposes of what

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Speaker 3: I'm about to tell you, a Democrat. Now he has

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Speaker 3: just been on the BEB the BBC told the BBC

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Speaker 3: that Trump was right about the border. Said the first

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Speaker 3: thing any president should say, or anybody in public life

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Speaker 3: is without a border protected, you don't have a nation.

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Speaker 3: I wish President Biden had been heard more often saying

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Speaker 3: I am going to enforce the law. Trump was right.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 3: That is interesting, isn't it, Because cast your mind back

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Speaker 3: to the first Trump administration sort of twenty sixteen, twenty twenty,

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Speaker 3: and how much of an evil villain in the history

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Speaker 3: of in the minds of everybody, Donald Trump was because

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Speaker 3: he wanted to build that border wall, and it made

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Speaker 3: him an evil person, wanted to keep those illegal migrants out. Well,

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Speaker 3: turns out back then, what was that nine years ago? Evil?

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Speaker 3: Terribly evil thing to do. Nowadays even the Democrats think

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Speaker 3: it was the right thing to do. So Trump, as

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Speaker 3: I am increasingly learning, can occasionally be right on even

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Speaker 3: quite controversial things. It just takes us a little while

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Speaker 3: to catch up to And I want to say not

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Speaker 3: all things. By the way, don't think I'm agreeing with

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Speaker 3: everything that this man does. Test tomorrow against the French.

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Speaker 3: Damien mackenzie is going to be with us after half

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Speaker 3: past seven. Took us through that. But next up, let's

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Speaker 3: talk scams with Scottsmpson, the minister in charge of cracking

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Speaker 3: down on that. News toog ZB.

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Speaker 2: The Breakfast Show, Kiwis Trust to Stay in the Know.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Allen on the My Hosking Breakfast with Vida,

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Speaker 2: Retirement Communities, Life Your Way News TOGSDV.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you. The government is promising to crack

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Speaker 3: down on scams with a new anti scam alliance. It's

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Speaker 3: made up of the major banks, the talco's police, Google

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Speaker 3: and Meta, which is Facebook's parent company, and various others.

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Speaker 3: Scott Simpson is the Commerce and Consumer Affairs ministan with US.

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Speaker 22: Morning Scott, Hi, Good morning, Heather.

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Speaker 3: So what is the point of this alliance? Is it

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Speaker 3: basically to get them to hand over information will freely

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Speaker 3: between themselves.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, look, that's exactly right. It's to get them sharing

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Speaker 22: their resources, their people, their talent, their knowledge to help

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Speaker 22: fight scams. Traditionally, and usually what happens is that these

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Speaker 22: entities all work in their own little silos and they

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Speaker 22: have a lot of data and information that is of

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Speaker 22: interest to other players within the sector, but they don't

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Speaker 22: share it. So there's a very high level of good

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Speaker 22: will amongst players. It's quite a big team in the

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Speaker 22: alliance and it represents some big players. So I'm very

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Speaker 22: excited about it, and I hope it's going to help.

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Speaker 22: It's not a silver bullet, by the way, hither this

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Speaker 22: is not the be all and end all of scams,

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Speaker 22: but it's a good step in the right direction.

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Speaker 23: Scott.

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Speaker 3: Obvious problem is going to be privacy laws. Right, you

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Speaker 3: might have a lot of information, but you can't give

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Speaker 3: it to me because you'd be breaching someone's privacy. How

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Speaker 3: do you get around that?

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Speaker 13: Heah?

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Speaker 22: Well, look, we will probably have to tweak some of that,

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Speaker 22: although New Zealand's privacy laws are quite robust and strong

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Speaker 22: and do allow for credible sharing of information. But that's

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Speaker 22: something that I want to look at as part of

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Speaker 22: this alliance setup. This is just the beginning, it's not

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Speaker 22: an end, So there are some things that we will

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Speaker 22: have to tweet. One of the things is you've got

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Speaker 22: potential competitors talking to each other about how they do

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Speaker 22: business and what information they have, So we want to

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Speaker 22: make sure that they are able to do that in

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Speaker 22: a way that doesn't breach non compete rules.

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Speaker 3: For instance, what kind of what could Facebook really do

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Speaker 3: to help here?

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Speaker 22: Well, one of the things that Facebook could really do

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Speaker 22: is make sure that scammers don't go on their platform.

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Speaker 22: So often the first interaction that people have is maybe

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Speaker 22: on something like Facebook marketplace. And so if the digital

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Speaker 22: providers were a newspaper for instance, or a radio station,

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Speaker 22: there are existing rules and protocols that prevent that kind

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Speaker 22: of advertising occurring. That's not the case in the digital

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Speaker 22: platform area at the moment, and so that's something I'm

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Speaker 22: keeping a close eye on as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you reckon They'll play ball though, because they're

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Speaker 3: hardly known to be all players.

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Speaker 22: Well, as I say, I've been really impressed with the

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Speaker 22: high degree of goodwill. Other countries are facing exactly the

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Speaker 22: same sorts of issues and although we are a small

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Speaker 22: player internationally around the world, this is a big issue.

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Speaker 22: And funnily enough, if SCAMS was an economy, it would

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Speaker 22: be the third largest economy on the planet. So this

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Speaker 22: is big stuff. And those digital platform providers they play

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Speaker 22: around the world. So yes, we're small, but we want

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Speaker 22: to have the same kind of protocols in place that

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Speaker 22: they have in other jurisdictions as well, and that's what

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Speaker 22: they've offered to do here. I'm really excited about.

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Speaker 3: Thanks very much, Scott, talk to you again soon. That

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Speaker 3: scop Simpson, the Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister ten.

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Speaker 1: Pass ever do for thee Ellens.

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Speaker 18: So a new.

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Speaker 3: Reports is that we can import liquefied natural gas into

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Speaker 3: the country. It is possible, but it is expensive and

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Speaker 3: we would only use it occasionally. The report's been commissioned

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Speaker 3: by our four main power companies. Paul Goodeve is the

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Speaker 3: Claris chief executive, the gas company involved in with us.

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Speaker 24: Now morning, Paul, Mareena, Heather, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. So it cost up to

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Speaker 3: a billion dollars. This is a pipe dream, then, isn't it.

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Speaker 24: I think that we shouldn't get fixxated on the cost.

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Speaker 24: I think the most important thing about Alergie or any

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Speaker 24: energy form is not what a cost, is the value

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Speaker 24: that it brings. And what we saw last winter is

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Speaker 24: the cost of not having a fuel like this, And

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Speaker 24: that's what we want to think about, is not we

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Speaker 24: know that we can do it. Now, we've got to

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Speaker 24: work out whether it's actually worth doing it, and the

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Speaker 24: focus needs to be on the value that it brings,

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Speaker 24: not necessarily the cost.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, I mean, I guess that's what I'm getting to, right.

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Speaker 3: Is it worth doing it if it costs up to

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Speaker 3: a billion dollars and we only, as you guys say,

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Speaker 3: use it occasionally.

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Speaker 24: I think that that is the next stage of work

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Speaker 24: that we need to undertake, is to ascertain where it

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Speaker 24: fits in the scheme of music in energy system. What

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Speaker 24: we did some work on was both a standard sized

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Speaker 24: implication terminal, which, like you said, is a very significant

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Speaker 24: capital cost, but we also looked at a smaller, maybe

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Speaker 24: more New Zealand appropriate size project which would be able

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Speaker 24: to be able to do for probably a capital cost

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Speaker 24: of around two hundred billion plus.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So which would you go for? Would you go

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Speaker 3: for the big one that costs a lot but the

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Speaker 3: gas is cheaper, or the small one that costs less

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Speaker 3: but the gas is twenty five percent more expensive?

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Speaker 24: And that's that is the issue that we need to

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Speaker 24: work through now, and so that is part of the

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Speaker 24: reason that we are assuring this report with our partners

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Speaker 24: so that we can have a discussion about what the

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Speaker 24: best solution for.

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Speaker 3: New gen you could import Alan G. Paul, would you.

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Speaker 24: Oh, I certainly think it's part of the energy mix

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Speaker 24: that we need to fuel their economy going forward. So

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Speaker 24: we are we are advocates of having a range of

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Speaker 24: fuel twenty zone's energy system, and I think guarantee is

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Speaker 24: part of that.

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Speaker 3: All right, Thanks Paul, Paul good Eve Clari's chief executive.

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Speaker 1: Ever do for see Allen Claril was the thought in.

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Speaker 3: This morning that the reason that the Mowbrays pulled their

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Speaker 3: offer of a free stadium at Western Springs was because

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Speaker 3: they couldn't be bothered with Auckland's processes. What a surprise,

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Speaker 3: One source says, the backers will lead to believe that

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Speaker 3: building a new home for Auckland FC at no cost

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Speaker 3: to rate payers would be straightforward. They did not anticipate

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Speaker 3: council processes and hold ups. Do they not live in Auckland.

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Speaker 3: A second source said the backers were frustrated by the process,

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Speaker 3: but they also said it's not something the council should

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Speaker 3: apologize for. Well, I don't know what that means. I

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Speaker 3: think the council should apologize for it, because don't you

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Speaker 3: think it's ridiculous how disinterested the council is in getting

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Speaker 3: two to three hundred thousand, three hundred million dollars full

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Speaker 3: free from these guys. Thirteen past seven.

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Speaker 2: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard

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Speaker 2: By News talks at be.

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Speaker 3: Got the second test obviously against the French. Tomorrow are

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Speaker 3: going to talk to d MAC about that after half

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Speaker 3: past seven. Right now it is sixteen past now. There

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Speaker 3: is concern that we're going to have some young people

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Speaker 3: coming out of polytechnics with the wrong skills. There's a

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Speaker 3: group of organizations that represent dairy farmers and mechanics, roading

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Speaker 3: and infrastructure companies and so on, and they've warned the

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Speaker 3: government that their planned education changes are going to muck

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Speaker 3: up vocational training. Rachel Simpson is Business New Zealand's education

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Speaker 3: expert and with us right now. Hey, Rachel, Hi, okay,

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Speaker 3: so tell me what the problem is because it seems

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Speaker 3: to me that what's going on here is that under

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Speaker 3: the changes, the government wants to decide what the kids learn,

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Speaker 3: but you guys want the industry experts to decide.

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Speaker 13: Is that right? Yeah?

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Speaker 14: So we're want industry leading government and enabled system that's

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Speaker 14: the hallmark of all the world leading vocational systems. So

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Speaker 14: we're recommending some changes to the laws that are gone

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Speaker 14: through Parliament at the moment to achieve that.

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Speaker 3: Are you actually seeing what the curriculum is and that

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Speaker 3: it is potentially going to give them the wrong skills?

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Speaker 3: Are you just anticipating that it may be a problem.

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Speaker 14: Well, we've been hearing a feedback from employers for a

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Speaker 14: while that the skills that are being produced are not

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Speaker 14: matching what they need on the job. And if you

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Speaker 14: have a look at tapooking as in your report, we

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Speaker 14: can see forty percent of the politic graduates aren't getting

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Speaker 14: work after they get the qualifications, and the number of

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Speaker 14: those completing their apprenticeships are going down.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so what kind of skills are they're not getting

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Speaker 3: that they should be getting.

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Speaker 14: So they need stuff that is current and relevant. So

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Speaker 14: at the moment, a lot of our qualifications and the

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Speaker 14: programs haven't changed for years. If you think about the

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Speaker 14: changes in the workforce over the last few years, the

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Speaker 14: skill system needs to keep up with it.

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Speaker 3: Do all of these industry bodies actually have the time

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Speaker 3: to be involved in designing the curriculum.

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Speaker 14: The industry bodies are the ones that know what skills

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Speaker 14: are needed. Yeah, they don't need to be education experts

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Speaker 14: to be able to get that into the education system.

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Speaker 14: And if they do, then that's assigned. There's a problem

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Speaker 14: with the education system.

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Speaker 3: Is there also a risk? One of the arguments against

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Speaker 3: letting the industry bodies do it is that it's two

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Speaker 3: short term focused right the industry bodies that the employers

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Speaker 3: are going to be focused on getting the kids to

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Speaker 3: give them the skills they need right now, whereas perhaps

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Speaker 3: somebody who's designing is an expert designing a curriculum would

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Speaker 3: look ahead at the skills coming down the pipeline that

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Speaker 3: are needed.

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Speaker 14: Well, people don't stop learning once they get on the job.

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Speaker 14: What we need is for them to get the skills

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Speaker 14: to get the job, and then to make sure that

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Speaker 14: we're based learning is really good quality and continues to

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Speaker 14: teach them the skills is the need and the workplace changes.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. Rachel, Goodluckily, that's Rachel Simpson, Business, New Zealand

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Speaker 3: Education Experts. All right, let's talk about the lizards. So DOC,

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Speaker 3: as we've discussed on this program, is now reconsidering the

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Speaker 3: decision on the lizards, right, which means, well, I mean

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Speaker 3: I don't think you need to be a rocket scientist.

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Speaker 3: Read between those lines and see DOC is going to

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Speaker 3: reverse this and bugger the lizards. We're going to go

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Speaker 3: for the gold instead. But let me tell you what

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Speaker 3: I've been told has happened to get us to this

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Speaker 3: point where where I have DOC making a decision and

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Speaker 3: then reversing this decision. It starts on Tuesday. What happened

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Speaker 3: on Tuesday is Tama Portaka put out a media statement

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Speaker 3: crowing about the fact that DOC was getting through all

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Speaker 3: of its workload. It had something like, I think it

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Speaker 3: was thirteen hundred applications for permits that were just backlogged,

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Speaker 3: and this was in September. He saw this number and

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Speaker 3: he said, get on with it, I want you to

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Speaker 3: do the mahi. And so as a result between now,

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Speaker 3: between September and now, they've just been racing through those applications,

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Speaker 3: got them down to about five hundred. But the problem

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Speaker 3: with racing through them is that sometimes you make bad decisions,

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Speaker 3: and if you're racing through them, you might in fact

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Speaker 3: be incentivized just to go no no no no no

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Speaker 3: no no no no no. Maybe one hectare for you,

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Speaker 3: no no, no, no no. And so it appears that

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Speaker 3: that is what has happened, right, and they've done that

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Speaker 3: is race through it to get their numbers to look good.

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Speaker 3: That's why they're taking another look at the lizards, because

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Speaker 3: they didn't take a proper look at it when they

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Speaker 3: were saying no. And because of that, right, I've been

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Speaker 3: told that there will be more cases in there. For example,

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Speaker 3: one I've been pointed to and I tried to talk

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Speaker 3: to Tumba about it, but it wasn't giving us a

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Speaker 3: lot of information. Corkerdy lime quarry, I've been told is

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Speaker 3: another problem. The guy here has applied for permission to

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Speaker 3: quarry fifteen hectares of lime. He got permission to quarry

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Speaker 3: one hectare of lime. What's the point if you only

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Speaker 3: get one hectare right when you're after fifteen. The only

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Speaker 3: reason he took the compromise position, he said, is because

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Speaker 3: he's actually been waiting five years for this and he

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Speaker 3: needs to just get on with it. He reckons he

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Speaker 3: can just make it work with one hectare financially, so

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Speaker 3: he's going to do it. And why they need the

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Speaker 3: lime in the West Coast as they need it for

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Speaker 3: the flood protection and stuff like that. That, by the way,

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Speaker 3: explains why Shane Jones is so angry at Doc the

877
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Speaker 3: whole time, because they're doing this kind of stuff all

878
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Speaker 3: the time. And it also means, by the way, that

879
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Speaker 3: this is why Shane Jones wants to break dock up,

880
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Speaker 3: because no one can override Doc. You can put pressure

881
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Speaker 3: on Dock, but in the end Doc gets the final say.

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Speaker 3: And I think we can look at this and say, hmm,

883
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Speaker 3: maybe cabinet needs the final say on things like this,

884
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Speaker 3: don't you think.

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Speaker 2: Seven twenty one The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast

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Speaker 13: At be.

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Speaker 3: Heather, can you tell Damien and Coe to stop kicking

889
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Speaker 3: the ball to the opposition. We have the fastest wingers.

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Speaker 3: Give it to them. I'll do my best at doing

891
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Speaker 3: that part will pass that on seven to twenty three. Now,

892
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Speaker 3: the winner of the week has absolutely got to be

893
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Speaker 3: New Zealand First, doesn't it third biggest party now overtaking

894
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Speaker 3: Act in the Greens in the latest Taxpayers Union Curier poll.

895
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Speaker 3: If you've been watching the polls lately, that is not

896
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Speaker 3: a surprise. This has been coming for a while. The

897
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Speaker 3: Nats have been up and down. Act has actually been

898
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: pretty flat. New Zealand First has just been heading up

899
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Speaker 3: for most of this year.

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Speaker 18: Now.

901
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Speaker 3: There are a bunch of reasons for that. Winston is

902
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Speaker 3: very statesman like. He manages to disagree with his coalition

903
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 3: partners without being quite as bratty as David Seymour can

904
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 3: sometimes come off as. New Zealand First are choosing their

905
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Speaker 3: battles quite well. They stayed out of the pay equity

906
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: fuffle so they didn't cop the blowback like the others did.

907
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 3: But mainly I think what's going on here is they

908
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: are being blunt and refreshingly blunted. That Shane Jones does

909
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: not care if the Lizard Lovers get upset that he

910
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Speaker 3: wants to dig a mine where the lizards are. He

911
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: just says it. Winston doesn't care if Grayland and Aravali

912
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 3: are offended that he wants trans women kept out of

913
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Speaker 3: women's sport. He just says it. He doesn't care if

914
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Speaker 3: wall carpets, if forcing woll carpets into state houses is

915
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Speaker 3: probably a bad financial decision, He just got it done.

916
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Speaker 3: This party is unashamedly, I think, appealing to a group

917
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Speaker 3: of voters that no one else is, which is working

918
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Speaker 3: class New Zealand, people who I think see things quite

919
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Speaker 3: simply and often more correctly than elites would care to imagine.

920
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Speaker 3: It is the same thing that is playing out in

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Speaker 3: the UK with the rise of reform. It is the

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Speaker 3: same thing that has put Trump back in the White

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Speaker 3: House again. Of the three coalition parties, New Zealand First

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Speaker 3: is the only one hitting the same vein of voters,

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Speaker 3: and I would say the same rich vein of voters.

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Speaker 3: Now we're still only talking about ten percent, and ten

927
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Speaker 3: percent doesn't a major party make. But it has only

928
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Speaker 3: been headed in one direction lately for New Zealand First,

929
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Speaker 3: and that is up and I think that tells you something.

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Speaker 3: Heather duplessy Ellen, I'm thinking about upgrading the TV, sorting

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Speaker 1: Do to Sea Allen.

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Speaker 3: You know what, can I just give you a quick

952
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Speaker 3: tip because school holidays at the moment and you're thinking

953
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Speaker 3: of something to do with the kids. If you're in

954
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Speaker 3: Wellington or headed down there, go to the Tapapa exhibition

955
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Speaker 3: where you can use the VR the virtual reality to

956
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Speaker 3: explore Robert Scott's hut in Antarctica. I would do this

957
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Speaker 3: if I had the chance, because and reason is I went.

958
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Speaker 3: I went there like in real life, not to Tapapa.

959
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: I went to Robert Scott's hut about fifteen years ago.

960
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Speaker 3: It blew my mind. It is almost exactly as if

961
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Speaker 3: they've walked out just yesterday.

962
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Speaker 13: Right.

963
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Speaker 3: It's an outback ranch, which is terrible building to put

964
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Speaker 3: on the ice. There's a dead seal lying on the

965
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Speaker 3: porch like they just kind of slaughtered it and dragged

966
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Speaker 3: it on the other day. Because things don't break down

967
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Speaker 3: there on the because the ice is dry, it doesn't

968
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Speaker 3: break down there like it does in the tropics. You know,

969
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Speaker 3: they've got a meal of a meal of seal mes

970
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Speaker 3: being cooked in a frying pan. They've got the cans

971
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Speaker 3: still on the shelf, They've got clothes hanging up to

972
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Speaker 3: be dried. They've got their beds like basically the same

973
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Speaker 3: as where they lay in them. They've divided the space

974
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Speaker 3: up to try to kind of make it a livable space.

975
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Speaker 3: It's incredible to be there, incredible to see how much,

976
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Speaker 3: how hard it must have been and how cold. Anyway,

977
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Speaker 3: go look at it. Entry is free running till the

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Speaker 3: thirteenth News Togs v.

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Speaker 1: Then less bed.

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Speaker 4: We can dance.

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Speaker 1: We can dance on nine.

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Speaker 2: Your source of breaking news, challenging opinion and honors the

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Speaker 1: News Togs dead b hither.

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Speaker 3: Anyone that votes for Winston is crazy. The man is

987
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Speaker 3: demonstrably two faced over decades in politics. He's just as

988
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: likely to turn around and go with Labor after the

989
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Speaker 3: next election as he is with National. We're going to

990
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Speaker 3: talk about magazines before the end of this half hour,

991
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 3: because of course they're up for sale again and it's

992
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Speaker 3: the big names. Right now, it's twenty three away from eight,

993
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 3: so we've got tests two against the French in Wellington

994
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 3: tomorrow night. If there is one thing we've learned from

995
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Speaker 3: the first Test, it's that a B side French team

996
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 3: isn't to be underestimated. Our team's much the same as

997
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Speaker 3: the one that was called up for Dunedin. Damien mackenzie

998
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 3: is on the bench in the number twenty three Jersey

999
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 3: again is with me morning Damien.

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Speaker 14: Ay, there you do.

1001
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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. Did you expect the French

1002
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 3: team to be that strong?

1003
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 24: Yeah, for sure.

1004
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 25: I mean any French team you play against, they always

1005
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Speaker 25: they've put the best form I think, you know, particularly

1006
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 25: under the roof. They threw everything at us. And it

1007
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Speaker 25: doesn't matter what team you're playing a Test match, they

1008
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 25: always are going to put the you know, they best

1009
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 25: rugby when they come up against a normal next side.

1010
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Speaker 25: So I knew we expected that.

1011
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 20: And I'm start staring in the easy this weekend.

1012
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 3: What's going on here? I mean, it seems to me

1013
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 3: that France is or is becoming, or maybe it always

1014
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: has been a powerhouse of rugby, where even if you

1015
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 3: take out the top tier players, the next lot are

1016
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Speaker 3: almost as strong. It's it's kind of like the All Blacks,

1017
00:46:59,400 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 3: isn't it.

1018
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 25: Yeah, I think I've got some some outstanding depth. Obviously,

1019
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 25: they had a lot of new faces playing in the

1020
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 25: in the team, and I've got a probably more inexperienced

1021
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 25: side than they'd usually have a full strength. But I mean,

1022
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 25: like you said, it's you know, one person steps aside,

1023
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 25: one guy steps up. So they've always been a strong

1024
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 25: rugby nation and they get bid every year. So I

1025
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 25: just I mean it shows the depth they've got in

1026
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 25: the quality of rugby they're playing over in France, and yeah,

1027
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 25: wish we expected what we got on said day, and

1028
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 25: we know we're going to expect a lot more this

1029
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Speaker 25: week in too. So yeah, I guess I've got some

1030
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 25: great s depths over there at the moment, and I

1031
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 25: think that's something we pride ourselves onto.

1032
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 3: So last year we had you starting so far this

1033
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 3: here two test matches and we've got Body starting in

1034
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: the position. Has Razer told you what the plan for

1035
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 3: you is?

1036
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Speaker 25: I think you know, Body had a great game last weekend,

1037
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 25: and you know he's obviously hell world class ten and

1038
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 25: I've been lucky enough to learn of him for a

1039
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Speaker 25: number of years and you know he's you know, got

1040
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Speaker 25: the the job of leading the team for a start,

1041
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 25: and I guess, you know, maybe my opportunity may come

1042
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 25: later in the series or at a ladd date, But

1043
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 25: you know, for me, it's regardless of what position I'm putting,

1044
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 25: whether it's obviously fortunate enough to be on the bench

1045
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 25: this weekend, it's just sort of made in my role

1046
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 25: or whatever that is. I mean, last weekend it was

1047
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 25: probably a bit different to what I expected it would

1048
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 25: be and sort of sat down for a mini and

1049
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 25: I was back up. So yeah, I guess sort of

1050
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 25: when my opportunity comes, just making sure I make the

1051
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 25: most of it. But yeah, my role at the moment

1052
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 25: is just bringing the impact off the bench and making

1053
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 25: sure I do a good job.

1054
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Speaker 3: There is it different out there when you've got a

1055
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: Ardie in the captain position?

1056
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Speaker 1: Not so much.

1057
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 25: I think are fairly influential players. Ardie and Scooting guys

1058
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 25: that definitely lead by the actions. ADDIE's a guy a

1059
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Speaker 25: few words, but when he does speak, you knows you've

1060
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Speaker 25: ben listening to Scoots very much the same, So I

1061
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 25: don't think anything changes. We've got some great leaders within

1062
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 25: our team. And although you know, both Addie skippers the

1063
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 25: team this weekend, Scoot was last weekend. I've got great

1064
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 25: guys around them that helped them out as well, so

1065
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 25: nothing changes too much.

1066
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know we've talked about the strength of the

1067
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 3: French team and you know by All Black standards. Actually

1068
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 3: you guys are quite a green team, not your yourself,

1069
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 3: for just some of the guys around you. How do

1070
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Speaker 3: you reckon?

1071
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 25: They're going a really good you know, it's always awesome

1072
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 25: to see new faces in the All Black side, and

1073
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 25: like I mentioned earlier, just the quality of depth and

1074
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Speaker 25: these young rugby and guys being awarded for great super seasons.

1075
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 25: So you know, I remember my first time in an

1076
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 25: All Rex camp. You know, you're pretty nervous, like our

1077
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 25: first at school. But I think those boys are stepped

1078
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 25: in really well and it really put their hand up

1079
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Speaker 25: and only role within the team. And you know there

1080
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 25: are only any beattleworth experience. You know, the more test

1081
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 25: rugby you play, the more understanding, the more you understand it,

1082
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 25: and just the speed of the game, the physicality of

1083
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 25: the game. So I think those boys are doing a

1084
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 25: great job.

1085
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 3: Have you guys as a team had a chat about

1086
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 3: the kicking this week. There's been a bit of chat

1087
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 3: now in workplace about whether there's been maybe a bit

1088
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 3: too much aimless kicking.

1089
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Speaker 25: Oh he's the old there you go. Not so I think,

1090
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Speaker 25: you know it's uh, you know you text the ball

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Speaker 25: to put teams under pressure, so you know, it's it's

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Speaker 25: about making sure you're putting the ball in the right

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Speaker 25: ears the field, particularly putting the ball in front of

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Speaker 25: your forwards that they were working really hard. So that's

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Speaker 25: really important. And I think by the sounds of the

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Speaker 25: forecast that might not be too flash this weekend. So

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Speaker 25: I think kicking game is really important. I mean, we're

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Speaker 25: never out there trying to kick aimlessly. It's making sure

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Speaker 25: we're kicking and putting ourselves on the right ears of

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Speaker 25: the field and making it as easy as possible for

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Speaker 25: our forwards to run forward onto the ball. So I

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Speaker 25: think there's been some good kicking, not too much aimless kicking.

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Speaker 3: Well maybe maybe not. Maybe not aimless kicking. But perhaps

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Speaker 3: what is being suggested is I'm trying really hard here,

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Speaker 3: Damien to say this nicely. That's why I'm picking my words.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we're not as good under the high ball as

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Speaker 3: we think we are. What do you think?

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Speaker 25: Probably I think it's a lot a lot more difficult

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Speaker 25: now with you know, receiving a high ball. I mean,

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Speaker 25: not too long ago you're able to escook back, which

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Speaker 25: gave you you catch at the deck sit of help

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Speaker 25: to get a free catch on the ball. But you know,

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Speaker 25: now it's sort of a free run. It's definitely a

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Speaker 25: lot harder. So, you know, obviously a lot of people

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Speaker 25: think it's maybe something that we need to work on,

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Speaker 25: and we're always working on it. But I don't think

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Speaker 25: it's definitely a strength of ours, a sure, but I

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Speaker 25: just don't think it's as easier than what it used

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Speaker 25: to be. It's a bit of a free free for

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Speaker 25: all the air at the moment. So yeah, it's not

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Speaker 25: an easy, easy sort of skill to nail, but one

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Speaker 25: we're definitely still working on a lot throughout our week.

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Speaker 3: Brilliant Damien, go well, I'm sure you got I love

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Speaker 3: the way that you play. I'm sure you guys will

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Speaker 3: do a brilliant job. Jamie McKenzie all Blacks tests tomorrow

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Speaker 3: seventeen away from age con scrapping regional councils, which has

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Speaker 3: been a bit of a discussion lately. So there are

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Speaker 3: some very astounding numbers in Matthew Houghton's column in the

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Speaker 3: Herald this morning. Apparently we have more than one thousand

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Speaker 3: different types of zones in this country.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: A zone is basically, you know, it has its own

1133
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Speaker 3: little technical rules about how you build and what you

1134
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Speaker 3: can build and blah blah blah, all that kind of stuff.

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00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 3: We have more a more than a thousand of them

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Speaker 3: set up by councils around the country. Now, compare our

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Speaker 3: one thousand to what's going on in Japan, same size

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00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 3: as US geographically twenty five times as many people. They

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Speaker 3: have thirteen zones. So basically, we've made things far too complicated.

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Speaker 2: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 2: by News Talks at be.

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Speaker 3: Lol Heathers, So what you're saying is we need the

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Speaker 3: Japanese to come and show us how to run the country.

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Speaker 3: Or maybe maybe we could just do what they did

1145
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 3: and take a thousand and turn it into thirteen. The

1146
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Speaker 3: suggestion in the article is maybe it'll go down to twenty.

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Speaker 3: Tim Wilson and Trishuson they're going to wrap the week

1148
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Speaker 3: that was with us after eight o'clock. Tim has in

1149
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 3: advance sent me a study people with higher cognitive ability, basically,

1150
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 3: smarter people have weaker moral foundations, as in, you're going

1151
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 3: to justify doing the wrong thing if you're smartereno our

1152
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 3: I quite don't quite know where he's going with that,

1153
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 3: but he can explain it to us himself, and he's

1154
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 3: going to have a dig at somebody, for sure.

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Speaker 26: You ever hear of a heroic genius? There were people

1156
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 26: always talking about evil geniuses, don't they. Yes, I'm just saying.

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00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, you're Yeah, you're a genius, therefore you're evil

1158
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 3: to natural fit straight out of the comic books. Now,

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Speaker 3: I have a feeling that hiring a car in the

1160
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 3: future is going to be an incredibly stressful process because

1161
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Speaker 3: of what is happening at the moment. Over in the States.

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00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 3: They're using AI and this does not it feels like

1163
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 3: it's great for the rental companies, terrible for us because

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Speaker 3: we're the drivers. So what they've done is this is

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00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 3: hurts and they started it in it Atlanta, and they

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Speaker 3: seem to be rolling it out. They're basically using AI

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Speaker 3: to find dents that you cannot see with the naked eyes.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you're doing the car and you're like,

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Speaker 3: no one's going to see that, They're going to see

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Speaker 3: it because they've got the AI. Now, so what that

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00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 3: builds is this massive scanner, and you drive the car

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Speaker 3: through the scanner, or when you pick the car up,

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00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 3: it goes out through the scanner, and then it comes

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Speaker 3: back and through the scanner, and they compare the photos.

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00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 3: And the scanner basically takes thousands of these high raised

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00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 3: photos of the car as it leaves and when you've

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Speaker 3: dinged it to hell and you're bringing it back in,

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00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 3: and then it compares and if it finds any little ding,

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00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 3: it's gonna basically ping you and let you know that

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00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 3: you need to pay the bill. It happened to a

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Speaker 3: couple of guys, a couple last weekend customers. They picked

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Speaker 3: up the car in Atlanta, they drove it to a wedding,

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Speaker 3: They returned it after the weekend. Nothing. They didn't think

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Speaker 3: anything had gone wrong. They got a notification via the

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00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 3: APP they've been charged one hundred and ninety five US dollars. Now,

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Speaker 3: that works out around about let's say roughly three fifty

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Speaker 3: New Zealand. So imagine that. Right, you think your car's fine,

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Speaker 3: you take it back. Next minute, you've got to pay

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Speaker 3: three fifty because what the AI had found is on

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Speaker 3: one of the doors. Just the tiniest, little, tiniest little

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Speaker 3: ding like I reckon. If you look at it, it's

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Speaker 3: about the size of your pinky's nail. You wouldn't You

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Speaker 3: wouldn't see it with the naked eye, right, it might

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Speaker 3: even just be a shadow. But they picked it up

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Speaker 3: and they said, these people have to have to pay

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Speaker 3: it up. Now you think about what I mean, are

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Speaker 3: you even going to ring a car if this is

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Speaker 3: the situation because this morning. Now, to be fair to me,

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Speaker 3: I am driving in at three right, and I'm not

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Speaker 3: used to it, like Mike is. I pulled into Mike's

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Speaker 3: car park. Mike's car park, unfortunately, it's not my fault.

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Speaker 3: Has got a really big wind turbine type thing going

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Speaker 3: on there. I don't really know what it's for, some

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Speaker 3: sort of like a reticulate the air in the car

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Speaker 3: park situation. It's got two poles that poke out. I

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Speaker 3: don't know why I drive into one of them.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, I think it's to stop you driving into the thing.

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Speaker 26: I think that's what the poles are there for.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, that's good that they were there in otherwise

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Speaker 3: I would have driven into the thing. I've done it

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Speaker 3: two mornings.

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Speaker 14: In a row.

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Speaker 3: So now I don't care because I'm driving.

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Speaker 16: My jeep, same pole or that one each.

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Speaker 3: No, same side. I don't care because it's my jeep,

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Speaker 3: and my jeep is from the beach, and it's a

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Speaker 3: jilloppy and I'm just trying to keep the battery going

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Speaker 3: this winter. That's all I'm doing, right. I don't care

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Speaker 3: about the jeep, but I do care about the pole,

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Speaker 3: and I do care. The point of the story is

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Speaker 3: if that was a rental car, well, I'm looking at

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Speaker 3: a bill now of three hundred and fifty dollars times

1223
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Speaker 3: too because of the AI. So my advice is maybe

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Speaker 3: just do a bit everywhere when you land at the

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Speaker 3: airport ten away from it.

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Speaker 2: The Duples Allen on the mic Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's

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Speaker 2: Real Estate News dogs they'd.

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Speaker 3: Be either on the upside, it'll pick up any dents

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Speaker 3: that they miss. When you check the car out and

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Speaker 3: charge you won't charge you. Well, that's a very good point.

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Speaker 3: You won't be charged for that six away from eight.

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Speaker 3: Now some of New Zealand's most iconic magazine brands are

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Speaker 3: up for sale again. This is The Listener, Women's Day,

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00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 3: Women's Weekly. They're all back on the market five years

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00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 3: after being saved from COVID. Alice O'Connell is the former

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Speaker 3: editor of the New Zealand Women's Weekly and is with

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Speaker 3: us Morning Alice.

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Speaker 23: Good morning.

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Speaker 3: Do you think the same thing is going on as

1240
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 3: what was going on five years ago, which is that

1241
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 3: they just don't turn enough of a profit?

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00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 13: Oh?

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00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 23: I mean, I think there were a number of different

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00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 23: factors that led to happens five years ago. I mean,

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00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 23: of course COVID was a really big reason that that happened.

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00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 23: But I mean I think magazines are a difficult sale still, so,

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00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 23: I mean, things haven't improved by the looks of it

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00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 23: over season. Bestestill wants to pull out.

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Speaker 13: Now.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that they will find a buyer? Oh?

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00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 23: I mean, I certainly hope. So I think, Look, I

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00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 23: have to really believe in megas. I think they're such

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00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 23: a wonderful medium to talk to people in and it's

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00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 23: such a I mean, you can't multitask when you're reading

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00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 23: a magazine, can you. It's such a special experience. And

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Speaker 23: I think a lot of us are looking now there's

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00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 23: so much information now on the internet. We were literally

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Speaker 23: looking for trusted sources of information I think brands like

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Speaker 23: The Woman's Weekly and The Listener, I mean they have

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Speaker 23: all this heritage, and I mean the ones Weekly has

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00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 23: been going for ninety two years. I'd like to think

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00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 23: that these brands really could live on. Maybe it's not

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00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 23: in a magazine moving forward. I mean, maybe these are

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00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 23: different ways that would be consuming this information. They could

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Speaker 23: suddenly live online. I think the Listener definitely. I would

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00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 23: really really surprised if nzed Me didn't put an offer

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00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 23: for that much, and they already had that relationship. So yeah,

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Speaker 23: I've high hopes for what will happen to these times.

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Speaker 3: The problem, Alice, is that that the magazines haven't actually

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Speaker 3: adapted to a digit These magazines haven't adapted properly to

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Speaker 3: a digital world yet. Because I was thinking about the

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Speaker 3: magazine that I read. The only one that I read

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Speaker 3: regularly is The Economist, which I read online, which I

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00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 3: had forgotten actually was a magazine. I just read it

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00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 3: like it's just a news source to me now. So actually,

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00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 3: in order to survive, shouldn't they do exactly the same thing?

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Speaker 18: Oh?

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Speaker 23: Absolutely? And I mean these magazines haven't had their own

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00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 23: standalone website. I mean there was a large umbrella and

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00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 23: it was called Now to Love that housed all the

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00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 23: different magazine brands, and that really did dilute the different titles.

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Speaker 23: So I think that could have been a big struggle

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00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 23: for these ones, because, as you said, I mean, this

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Speaker 23: is how we're used to consuming our media now is online.

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Speaker 23: I mean, the few of us who were a part

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00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 23: of Bauer and lost our jobs that we started this website, capsule,

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Speaker 23: and we're certainly finding that there is a real audience

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00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 23: online and real appetite for a similar sort of proposition

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00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 23: that magazine feel, but online. So I have real optimism

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Speaker 23: blog might happen.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, Alice, good to talk to you. Enjoy your morning.

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Speaker 3: Alice O'Connell, former editor of New Zealand's Women's Weekly. Here

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Speaker 3: the women's magazines have too little content, and there are

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Speaker 3: two expense. I haven't bought a women's weekly or a

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00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 3: women's magazine in a very long time. Bought one the

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00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 3: other day because Jacinda was in it, Theager. But number

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Speaker 3: one because that is my job to read about politicians.

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Speaker 3: But also number two, I just got my obligatory.

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Speaker 16: So you bought that and you read the book.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing both at the same time. But I'm saying

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Speaker 3: to think you're her biggest fair I love just Sander.

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Speaker 3: I've got an autograph book. Did you know, though, that

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Speaker 3: I've managed to I reckon mention her every single day

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Speaker 3: this week? Heather Damien sounded absolutely stoked that your officer

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Speaker 3: thought he was kicking aimlessly. You should organize an all

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Speaker 3: blacks versus ZEDB Hosts exhibition match. I'll be classic to

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Speaker 3: see the abs humbled by the z BE fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I got that he thought he was a bit sort

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Speaker 3: of like, oh yeah, thanks for that advice, heatheredlis see Allen.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind if he gave me his advice.

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Speaker 2: The news and the news makers, Heather duple see Ellen

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Speaker 2: on the my casking Breakfast with Bailey's real estate altogether

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Speaker 2: better across rest idential, commercial and rural news.

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Speaker 1: Togs Head by.

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Speaker 3: Name A nervous.

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Speaker 5: Name.

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Speaker 3: It's Good as kesher sixth studio album. It's a dot.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to know that that is a dot because

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Speaker 3: it's a picture of her mouth on the album cover

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Speaker 3: with a big sort of what looks like a lolly

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Speaker 3: sitting on her lip. But that's a dot.

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Speaker 16: I think technically it's a period.

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Speaker 3: And you're pronounced you're supposed to pronounce a period, thank you.

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Speaker 3: That's how you pronounce that.

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Speaker 26: We're uncomfortable about that in New Zealand, that we're calling

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Speaker 26: full stops periods.

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Speaker 3: It is. It does make us feel a bit. You know, well,

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Speaker 3: we'll just rename it. We'll call this album full stop.

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Speaker 3: So what you're going to get if you buy this

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Speaker 3: album is you get all listen to it on Spotify.

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Speaker 3: Is you're going to get eighties house music grooves set

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Speaker 3: in a clubby cathartic tone. I only drink when I'm

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Speaker 3: happy and I'm drunk now, she says, You're going to

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Speaker 3: get some band on me and accent accent of tango house,

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Speaker 3: some sultry disco, electric soul, but rousing anthems that smack

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Speaker 3: you in the face with hooks, and a hard one

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Speaker 3: sense of mature, protective self love. Sounds very uplifting. Eight

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Speaker 3: past eight it's a week.

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Speaker 2: In review with two degrees bringing smart business solutions to

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Speaker 2: the table.

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Speaker 3: Tris Huston Tim Wilson with us this morning morning, you.

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Speaker 13: Guys, Good morning, morning morning.

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Speaker 3: And why are you sending us these studies about smart

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Speaker 3: people being evil?

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Speaker 27: I think it's just it's a it's and this is

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Speaker 27: from the General Intelligence, so it's not some wonky study

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Speaker 27: as Trish was trying to allege just before we came on.

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Speaker 27: It's I think, I think we have this sort of idea.

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Speaker 27: There's a commonly held view that intelligence equals moral fiber,

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Speaker 27: and this study suggests that intelligence actually means you can

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Speaker 27: argue your way out of moral constraints.

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Speaker 13: So that's just helpful. I think, are you.

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Speaker 3: Moral constraints are necessarily a good thing?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, of course they are.

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Speaker 27: Of course, of course they are because they because they

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Speaker 27: shape our behavior, they shape society.

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Speaker 11: Yeah. True.

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Speaker 18: Oh well, I'm almost going to wade into some deeper

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Speaker 18: water here with Tim, which might be slightly tricky, but

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Speaker 18: I am I'm not a church going person and give

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Speaker 18: a bit of a side eye in terms of moral

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Speaker 18: fiber over that way. So I haven't seen this study.

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Speaker 18: I love how Tim just slips this one in without

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Speaker 18: circulating it, so no one can really go through.

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Speaker 13: What they I said it out last night.

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Speaker 3: You count anybody for your laziness.

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Speaker 13: Sorry, yeah, you can't blame anybody for your laziness. I'm trush.

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Speaker 27: I'm not saying you're not a moral person because you

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Speaker 27: don't go to church, of course not you are.

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Speaker 3: No Tim, I'm going to come back at you on

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Speaker 3: this one. Okay, So morals are what you think they are, right, So,

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Speaker 3: so basically you might think that saving the lizards is

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Speaker 3: the moral thing to do, but Trish may think that

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Speaker 3: saving the jobs is the moral thing to do. And

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Speaker 3: then you're just going with your gut instincts. But actually

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Speaker 3: the smart people are the ones who consider it, abandon

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Speaker 3: the morals and go for the right thing.

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Speaker 27: Well, let's yeah, that and that is too complicated.

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Speaker 3: It's too complicated.

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Speaker 27: No, no, no, that's not it's not too complicated. But

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Speaker 27: there's actually what this is what the survey says is

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Speaker 27: there's there's two there's two different kinds of moral decisions.

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Speaker 27: One is the individualizing, which is about care and equality.

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Speaker 27: Others are more binding things like loyalty, authority, proportionality. So

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Speaker 27: these are all means that we use to assess our

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Speaker 27: moral our moral behavior. Intelligence can act on those, but

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Speaker 27: what the survey found was that intelligence could actually help

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Speaker 27: you evade them. So if we if we say, okay,

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Speaker 27: let's not worry about the lizards and go for the gold,

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Speaker 27: that's fine. That's that's actually a decision based on assessing

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Speaker 27: all of the options. It's not necessarily a moral one.

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Speaker 3: I see what you're saying. Your intelligence helps you make excuses.

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Speaker 3: But on the subject of the lizards, Trish, what would

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Speaker 3: you choose the lizards or the jobs.

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Speaker 18: I would choose going ahead with with the development down there.

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Speaker 18: And I'm going to put a different spin on this.

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Speaker 18: I'm going to put taps into this mix instead of lizards.

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Speaker 18: I don't know if you saw there was a story

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Speaker 18: in the last couple of weeks about another there was

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Speaker 18: a plumbing business around New Zealand that was going under,

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Speaker 18: and I thought, you know how many taps are not

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Speaker 18: being put in New Zealand because of planners and others

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Speaker 18: saying no to projects. And so it's the same with

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Speaker 18: the lizards down in the South Island. If you look

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Speaker 18: at the construction industry overall in New Zealand, it's one

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Speaker 18: of that's struggling the most because it's mired in this

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Speaker 18: kind of stuff. It's mired and people just saying no.

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Speaker 3: Do you think I think Tim, that the solution is

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Speaker 3: actually we go ahead with the mine, we save some

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Speaker 3: of the lizards, and then we just if we lose them,

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Speaker 3: we reverse engineer them like the moer.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, I was actually thinking thinking about that too, you know,

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Speaker 27: just Jeanie at the MOA's pardon me that the lizards

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Speaker 27: back into existence. The problem, the problem with which gene

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Speaker 27: tech editing is unintended consequences. So, for example, five hundred

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Speaker 27: and fifty million birds have perished across the UK and

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Speaker 27: Europe because of the loss of food sources because of

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Speaker 27: herbicide tolerant genetically modified plants. That's changed the ecosystems that

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Speaker 27: those birds used to feed on. So you know, I mean, well,

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Speaker 27: if we re engineer the moa and it decides it

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Speaker 27: likes to eat kiwi for breakfast, what happened?

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Speaker 3: What if it decides it likes to eat us?

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Speaker 18: Well, here's here's the reality about the moa story this

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Speaker 18: week is that even though we have had their most

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Speaker 18: amazing moa discovery in New Zealand, it was absolutely the

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Speaker 18: fascination of Victorian England the discovery of the moa, and

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Speaker 18: it was one tiny piece of moa thigh bone, tiny

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Speaker 18: like an inch long, that was taken from the East

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Speaker 18: Coast over to London and studied there. From that one

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Speaker 18: piece they they imagine the moa into existence, which is

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Speaker 18: pretty amazing when you think about it. But in all

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Speaker 18: of the bits of moa that we've got, and there

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Speaker 18: are some huge collections in Otago and Canterbury, there is

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Speaker 18: not a full genome sequencing. So these things are going

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Speaker 18: to be like they're going to be frank and moa.

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Speaker 3: They parading as much.

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Speaker 18: They're going to be hybrid. But also don't forget this

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Speaker 18: that along with the moa, the hunting of the moa,

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Speaker 18: its habitat went so up up in central Otago where

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Speaker 18: that's a huge moonscape. Now, I've always thought that was

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Speaker 18: what it was like. That was one of our most

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Speaker 18: lush carpeted places of forest where the moa lived. And

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Speaker 18: when they got burnt out or smoked out by the hunters,

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Speaker 18: the habitat went and the haast eagle went along with it,

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Speaker 18: so were for them to live.

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Speaker 13: Million million.

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Speaker 9: I do.

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Speaker 13: I've got a million dollar idea I.

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Speaker 3: Can I can not wait to hear it. Eight fourteen The.

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Speaker 2: Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on Radio part by

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Speaker 2: News Talks a B.

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Speaker 3: Eight seventeen The Weekend Review with two degrees fighting for

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Speaker 3: fair for Kiwi business with Trician Tim Gold and then

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Speaker 3: Tim hit us with it.

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Speaker 27: Okay, so I've got the perfect ppe right, public private venture.

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Speaker 13: So what we do is we genetically splice the more.

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Speaker 27: Okay, we bring them back, we put them on farms,

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01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 27: we farm them, then we eat them.

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Speaker 13: We get KFC. And you've heard about KFC, right, k

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Speaker 13: f M.

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Speaker 27: Kentucky Fried Moore, the best thing since sliced bread. Talk

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Speaker 27: about wicked wings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Bonkasher, billion dollar industry, worth waiting for. I think

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Speaker 3: worth waiting for. I see some ofth and Coe's are

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Speaker 3: selling off the Santa stuff. Who's going to buy it?

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Speaker 3: Are you going to buy it?

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Speaker 18: I'm not paying I'm not paying forty grand for a

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Speaker 18: recycled center sligh.

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Speaker 16: I thought that.

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Speaker 18: I thought that's a bit rich for me. It was

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Speaker 18: a bit rich for me.

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Speaker 13: Come on in gray Land, get some people together.

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Speaker 18: Then there was some old mannequins, and I've always just

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Speaker 18: personal thing in mind. I've always found the mannequin a

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Speaker 18: bit creepy. So no, I don't think I'm going to

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Speaker 18: be bidding in this auction.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what? Please? I hope to God that

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Speaker 3: my husband's not listening to this, because we once had

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Speaker 3: mannequins and he got them from a shop.

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Speaker 18: That had some private talk. There's something just between you

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Speaker 18: and Barry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it meant like in retrospect maybe it

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01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 3: should have been. But they were gold as well. He

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Speaker 3: got them from a shop and they stood by the

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Speaker 3: spar pool in Wellington for such a long time. I

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Speaker 3: don't know what happened to them in the end, and

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01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 3: they are utterly pointless. But there are some people, aren't

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Speaker 3: there who collect weird things like this, and I feel

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Speaker 3: like that would be you. Tim.

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Speaker 13: No, we're accept the stage.

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Speaker 27: We were trying to have less rather than more because

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01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:53,719
Speaker 27: we just moved house and so decluttering is the mode.

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01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 27: So no, we're not accumulating, we're shedding.

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Speaker 3: What brought from the house move.

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Speaker 27: I want be closer to the school the boys are

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Speaker 27: going to. They're going to a new charter school in

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Speaker 27: Green Lane, so oh well.

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Speaker 3: That makes sense. Are you're able to walk?

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Speaker 13: Do you?

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Speaker 3: The kids walk?

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Speaker 1: Yep?

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Speaker 13: They can walk to school.

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Speaker 27: They've got to go past the Macca though, so I'll

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Speaker 27: have to work on their moral fiber.

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Speaker 13: I hope they're not too smart. Look tell me.

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Speaker 3: Something truth, am I am? I because I mean my

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Speaker 3: kids are very small, but the thought of them walking

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Speaker 3: to school does terrify me somewhat? Is that just a

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Speaker 3: period that I'm going through. Is that going to happen

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Speaker 3: at some stage I'll be fine with it.

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Speaker 18: You will be absolutely fine with it. And you know

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Speaker 18: you're gonna love it when the old the Wakaway way,

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Speaker 18: the walking school bus turns up outside the front door

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Speaker 18: and you can say, Marty, whatter the kids for the day.

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Speaker 18: It's it's a lovely moment in any parent's day.

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Speaker 13: Now you just started speaking, gray Lynn.

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01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah totally was. No one understood what happened. We had

1519
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 3: the wakaway wai. That's what we had around here. Yeah,

1520
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 3: that's the way we roll.

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01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 27: But there'll be lovely kids going to school together. And yeah, yeah,

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01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 27: just the I used to love walking to school. We

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01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 27: used to my mother, My mother used to walk to

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Speaker 27: school actually in this now, of course this was a

1525
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 27: while ago, but she would walk to school from to

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01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,600
Speaker 27: Richmond Road from sort of Herne Bay and you know,

1527
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 27: going past tram lines and stuff like that, and her

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01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 27: mum just said see you later.

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Speaker 3: She was five.

1530
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 13: Yeah, it was a different world.

1531
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no shoes five years old, gigantic backpack as

1532
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 3: it was back in the day. Listen I'm Trish. I

1533
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Speaker 3: don't know that I might have made a mistake giving

1534
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 3: the All Blacks advice on how to play rugby. What

1535
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 3: do you think?

1536
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 18: Well, I thought it was a bold call, questioning their

1537
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 18: performance under the high ball Heather I did. There was

1538
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 18: a sharp intake of breath at my house when you

1539
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 18: went down that road.

1540
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Speaker 14: I thought, all, that's dangerous, pretty.

1541
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: Danger I don't know.

1542
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if you could tell, Trish, but I

1543
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 3: was feeling uncertain about it, and I think but I.

1544
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Speaker 18: Have also picked up this morning. I love the word

1545
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 18: that they still use in rugby, and I think for

1546
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 18: cricket teams when you've got a debutante, you know, a

1547
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 18: new player in the team. It's such a hilarious and

1548
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 18: old fashioned word, and when you think of what debutants

1549
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 18: actually are, it always just brings a smile to my face.

1550
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Speaker 27: Guys, as what if a young woman being presented to society,

1551
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 27: I don't know how that would go down in the changing.

1552
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 3: Sounds very very rugby, masculine rugby word. Hey, guys, thank

1553
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 3: you so much. Just wonderful to talk to the pair

1554
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 3: of you and go and enjoy your weekend. That is

1555
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 3: Tris Sherson and Tim Wilson. And I'm still tying up

1556
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:20,759
Speaker 3: from this a. I'm still coppying it on the text,

1557
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 3: and mainly I'm coppying it from Sam for thinking that

1558
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 3: I for having the gall to tell the All Black

1559
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Speaker 3: Sport to.

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Speaker 16: Do you didn't go hard enough. You should have told

1561
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Speaker 16: them not to kick at all.

1562
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he said it, and not me. I love Damien Mackenzie.

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Speaker 3: Damien mackenzie is the best.

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Speaker 13: You know.

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Speaker 3: What I'll tell you what I'm terrified about now is

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Speaker 3: that Damien McKenzie runs out tomorrow and plays a shocker

1567
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Speaker 3: of a game because I've given him the yips with

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Speaker 2: Heather due to see Allen on the mic Husking Breakfast

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Speaker 2: with Alvida, Retirement Communities News togs Head be.

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Speaker 1: Ever due for see Allen Lord.

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Speaker 3: Has just confirmed that she is going to do the

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Speaker 3: two shows in New Zealand. She's going to do Auckland

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Speaker 3: and she's going to do christ Church and it's going

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01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,600
Speaker 3: to be next year in February. So everybody who was

1602
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 3: stressing out about the possibility that's not going to happen,

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01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 3: it's okay. She's still a patriot eight to twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Now there's a miracle story out of Australia about this thing.

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Speaker 3: This is I was saying ta Trish before, worried about

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Speaker 3: the kids walking. I'm already worried about trying to teach

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Speaker 3: my son how to surf. I can't serve very well.

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Speaker 3: So that's probably the first problem. Terrified him going out

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Speaker 3: when he's like in about ten years. I'm terrified of

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Speaker 3: that now. Anyway, here this gives me hope. This young chap,

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Speaker 3: I think he's about eighteen or nineteen, went out to

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Speaker 3: see in New South Wales Wooly and he was gone

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Speaker 3: for eighteen hours. They saved him. What happened is set

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Speaker 3: it out, set out on Wednesday afternoon. He just had

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Speaker 3: his Malibu long board and a wet suit. Didn't come home.

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Speaker 3: Parents rang, the cops started searching, called it off at

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1618
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Speaker 3: hit social media. He said, listen, guys, if you've got

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Speaker 3: the kid nine am. How good has that been out there?

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Speaker 3: Eighteen hours? They don't know whether he sheltered, They don't

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Speaker 3: know how he managed to suvot long cold night. I

1626
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Speaker 3: mean it was winter. We did have a wetsuit on.

1627
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Speaker 3: But anyway, that's good, right. If you know how the

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Speaker 3: water works, you can always save them. Still, fingers crossed

1629
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Speaker 3: news is next.

1630
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Speaker 1: The only report you need to start your day.

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Speaker 2: Heather duper c Allen on the mic, asking breakfast with

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Speaker 2: al Vida, Retirement Communities, Life your Way News, togs Head be.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember yesterday I was telling you about that

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Speaker 3: or win Or as she's also known, Sally Walker, has

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Speaker 3: defended it because the whole thing's b Yes, apparently, she's

1638
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Speaker 3: put out a statement. She's written that her husband is

1639
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Speaker 3: in fact being treated for this degenerative disease and make

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Speaker 3: that up. She says, the last few days have been

1641
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Speaker 3: some of the hardest of my life, heartbreaking. Accusations that

1642
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Speaker 3: Moth made up is illness. The article was grotesquely unfair,

1643
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Speaker 3: highly misleading, seeks to systematically pick apart my life. Soul

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Speaker 3: Path is about what happened to Moth and me after

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Speaker 3: we lost our home. It's not about every moment or

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Speaker 3: every event in our lives, but rather about a capsule

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Speaker 3: of time when our lives move from a place of

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Speaker 3: complete despair to a place of hope. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Eight Away from Nine International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance,

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Speaker 3: More that it's part from light Away from nine. It's

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Speaker 3: twenty two Away from nine and Dennis Shanahan Ossie correspondents

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Speaker 3: with US. Now, Hi, Dennis, what Albert got worked up

1654
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Speaker 3: about the anti Semitism?

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Speaker 11: Didn't they a big change? At the release of the

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01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 11: anti Semitism report. He came out and he made his

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Speaker 11: strongest remarks so far. Now, obviously this followed as well.

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Speaker 11: Tony Burke visiting the fire bomb synagogue straight after the

1659
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Speaker 11: attack on the weekend, and the government's attitude and public

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01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:31,639
Speaker 11: rhetoric has really been so different to what it was

1661
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Speaker 11: in the earlier attacks, and I think what the government

1662
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 11: is trying to do is shift away is realized the

1663
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 11: politics of pro Palestinian protests, particularly for the Greens, and

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Speaker 11: the Prime Minister mentioned this himself when the report was released,

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Speaker 11: saying that the Greens had politicized the pro Palestinian protests,

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Speaker 11: that it was divisive and that he was out to

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Speaker 11: try and do what he could now. The red commendations,

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01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 11: particularly on universities, saying that universities who promote anti Semitism

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01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 11: or allow anti Semitism will lose funding is a big

1670
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 11: threat to them, to charities and arts groups. So we'll

1671
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 11: see what actually happens from the report. The Prime Minister

1672
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 11: said they will seriously consider it, but there's no doubt

1673
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 11: there's been a big change since the election victory and

1674
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 11: the Green's loss on its pro Palestinian position in the

1675
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:33,799
Speaker 11: government's rhetoric and position.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was fascinated by that threat against the universities.

1677
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 3: Is there actual evidence that they are promoting anti Semitism.

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01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 11: Well, during the original pro Palestinian protests, there was a

1679
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 11: reluctance by the universities to clamp down on the protests

1680
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Speaker 11: on campus, and that were seen as allowing anti Semitism

1681
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Speaker 11: to be promoted. Now, the unise argument that they wanted

1682
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 11: academic freedom and so forth, and yet there has been evidence,

1683
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,919
Speaker 11: particularly at Sydney University, that some Jewish members of staff

1684
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Speaker 11: were threatened and so forth. And former Labor leader Bill Shorten,

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Speaker 11: who is now a vice chancellor himself in Canberra, has

1686
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 11: come out and said the universities must act and that

1687
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 11: they can't use academic freedom as a cover for not

1688
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 11: taking action. Bill Shorten of course was a very strong

1689
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Speaker 11: on pro Israel and against anti Semitism while he was

1690
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Speaker 11: leader of the Labor Party.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon they're going to talk about the nukeswin

1692
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 3: elbow heads the beasion.

1693
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Speaker 11: Look, it's very interesting. Penny Wong has of course raised

1694
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Speaker 11: the issue of China's nuclear build up and she's also

1695
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 11: said the conventional military builder is a concern, and it's

1696
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Speaker 11: the first time she's actually said anything particularly mentioning nuclear

1697
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 11: Because the Prime Minister, of course is going to meet

1698
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 11: Yuzuking in a couple of days and there will no

1699
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 11: doubt be discussions about the Ugust nuclear submarine agreement with

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01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:21,719
Speaker 11: the US and Britain. And I think that what Pemmy

1701
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 11: Wong has done has tried to level off the criticisms

1702
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:31,480
Speaker 11: and what's seen as criticisms or a lack of enthusiasm

1703
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 11: for the Ugust nuclear submarine, a lack of enthusiasm for

1704
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 11: US support, and this idea that we can somehow be

1705
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 11: independent in the region. Now, I think that this is

1706
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 11: a bit of a long bow for Australia to be

1707
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 11: able to say that it can be independent in a

1708
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 11: region which is dominated by China and with the US

1709
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 11: the only real bulwark against the Chinese power.

1710
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 3: I'm slightly confused about what's going on with the Treasurer

1711
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 3: and the RBA with the speeches. Does the Treasurer want

1712
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 3: the RBA to do speeches.

1713
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Speaker 11: It's very interesting that the Treasurer keeps saying, look, we

1714
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 11: want he's introduced all these reforms to have more transparency.

1715
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 11: As the released without naming which board members voted for

1716
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 11: or against an interest rate cut, but they did say

1717
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 11: it was split the Prime Minister as I'm sorry the

1718
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 11: Treasurer is trying to sort of talk or jawbone the

1719
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 11: Reserve Bank at the same time that the Bank is

1720
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 11: actually coming out and putting its own statements out. The

1721
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 11: Government of the Reserve Bank, Michelle Bullock, has been absolutely

1722
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 11: clear in her position that she's not going to deal.

1723
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 11: The Bank is not just going to look at the

1724
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 11: monthly CPI figure and make its decision. It's all about productivity.

1725
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 11: Serves as a real policy difference here, and I don't

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Speaker 11: think the Treasurer likes what the Reserve Bank is actually saying.

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Speaker 3: I see, Dennis, Thanks so much. Enjoy your morning. Dennis Shanahan,

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Speaker 3: political editor at The Australian, Christian Horner, on that this

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01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 3: is the one who's just been you know, Christian Horner

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01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 3: has been fired by f one and it's by Red

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01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 3: bull because you know, it's the whole thing is just

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Speaker 3: going in a bad direction. Anyway, he could be in

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Speaker 3: line for quite a considerable payoff, maybe as much as

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Speaker 3: one hundred million dollars New Zealand plus plus plus plus plus.

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Speaker 3: What's going on is he's got another five and a

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Speaker 3: half years or four and a half years or thereabouts

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01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 3: to actually I think it is five and a half years.

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01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 3: I think his contract is to the end of twenty thirty,

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01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 3: which means it's another five and a half years on

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Speaker 3: his contract. They reckon that he has paid around about

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Speaker 3: twenty million New Zealand dollars every year. Now, if his

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Speaker 3: lawyers push for a full payout of the rest of

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Speaker 3: the contract or what's that twenty MILI times five and

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01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 3: a half, you're looking at one hundred and ten million

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01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 3: New Zealand dollars. So he's not going to be but

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Speaker 3: it's not to the poverty house for him by any means.

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Speaker 3: And there are also reports that Max Forstappen himself was

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Speaker 3: instrumental and having this chap fired. Apparently they'd never definitively

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01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 3: resolved the internal agreement. Disagreements that that had last year

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01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 3: all came to a head behind the scenes. There was

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Speaker 3: a final standoff between the Stappin and the CEO finally

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Speaker 3: got the pressure put on him to get rid of

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Speaker 3: Horner and it's happened quarter to.

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Speaker 2: Two the Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 2: Howard By News talks at be.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I should actually just update you on something because

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01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 3: I know it's been a big thing on the show.

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Speaker 3: The saga of Erica leaving the treaty clause in the

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Speaker 3: education laws they have just it's just been announced today

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Speaker 3: they've just set up a panel that's going to review

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01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 3: the clause and all the other treaty clauses that there

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Speaker 3: are in law. It's got David Cochran who's a former

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Speaker 3: member of the White Pungey Tribunal, Martama Royal, former public servant,

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Speaker 3: also a chair or a director of several mardy and

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Speaker 3: community trust boards. John Walters, lawyer, Treaty of ye Tony

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Speaker 3: settlements negotiator, and a chap called James Christmas who used

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Speaker 3: to work for Chrisphin Listen, who's obviously formerly the minister

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Speaker 3: who settled treaty negotiations, and the pair of them wrote

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Speaker 3: a book about treaty settlements and blah blah blah. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: this panel of these four guys are going to have

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Speaker 3: a look at the twenty at up to twenty eight

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Speaker 3: clauses and they reckon they're going to have the whole

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Speaker 3: thing done by the end of August, so should get

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Speaker 3: some resolution on that shortly. Right now, it's twelve away

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01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 3: from nine now there's been look, I could be too

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Speaker 3: simplistic on this, but there has been a complaint about

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01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,720
Speaker 3: AI use in exams and as in fact, it's on

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01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 3: the front page of the paper today and what they say,

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Speaker 3: it's frightening the number of breaches that are happening in exams,

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Speaker 3: presumably to do with AI. So they've had they've investigated

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01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 3: last year eight hundred and seventy six exam breaches, which

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Speaker 3: is up from three hundred and fifty four five years ago,

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Speaker 3: so it's more than doubled, right, it's a reasonable increase.

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Speaker 3: Fifty nine of those eight hundred and seventy six, fifty

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Speaker 3: nine of them officially linked to AI, but they think

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Speaker 3: more of them had some sort of a link to AI.

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Speaker 3: They say there were two hundred and six of them

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Speaker 3: where they had questions about authenticity, as in they were

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Speaker 3: looking at it and they were like, you wrote most

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01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 3: of that, but not all of that. That'll be AI

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01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 3: most likely. There were another thirteen cases involving students with

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Speaker 3: exams that had a quote text increase in a short period,

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01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 3: which presumably means that you've done most of it and

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01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 3: then you've just got quickly copy and paste that over

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01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 3: from that pop that in that they go, you didn't

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01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 3: write that that happened in one minute. That was too fast,

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01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 3: so that's probably probably AI or something like that. And

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Speaker 3: then seventy one cases involved navigating away from the digital platform,

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Speaker 3: which means you're busy working on that one. Then you go,

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Speaker 3: it's quickly gonna open Google over here, just asking a

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01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,680
Speaker 3: little chet GPT question. But just do that pop that

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01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:48,679
Speaker 3: over anyway? Is it just me? Or is the solution

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01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 3: to this reasonably simple, which is why are you doing

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01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 3: the exam on a computer? Why are you doing That's?

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01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 3: That's like asking for trouble.

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Speaker 6: Isn't it.

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Speaker 26: I thought you were going to say, why are you worrying?

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Speaker 26: A This is great use of the modern.

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Speaker 3: I love AI, but I don't love AI as well.

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Speaker 3: I have a conflict right now where I love AI,

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Speaker 3: but I'm real old school in my education. I think

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Speaker 3: you take the computers away from them. Don't you sit

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Speaker 3: them down with a bit of paper. There's no AI

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01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 3: in your paper? No, if you give them a pen

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01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 3: and a paper. The way that we used to do

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01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 3: it wasn't that long ago. You go into a big

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Speaker 3: hall and be freezing, be freezing the whole way through.

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01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 3: You got your paper and you just write everything down.

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01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 3: So We're coming out of your brain, isn't it. Why

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01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,679
Speaker 3: don't we just do that? Because especially ten ten students

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01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 3: accused of taking too long in the tourt. That's because

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01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:34,600
Speaker 3: they're looking at their phones eighty eight head phones with

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01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 3: them and exams. Well, just take the devices away. It

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01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 3: is unbelievably simple. Just go old school on it and

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01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 3: then you don't have an AI problem. I would have

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01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 3: thought nine away from nine.

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Speaker 2: Either, duplicy Ellen on the my casking breakfast with the

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Speaker 2: land Rover Discovery News tod.

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Speaker 3: B here the what happened to sitting in a hall? What?

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01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 3: What did happen to sitting in a hall? Quite heither?

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01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 3: Then you would need to do handwriting classes. Well, did

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01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 3: you have to do handwriting? Well to teach them that?

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01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 3: That's a fair point. To teach them the handwriting, you

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01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 3: possibly would have to. Hey, ray Chung, I was telling

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01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 3: you about Rae Chung and the business that was going

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01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:11,719
Speaker 3: on in Wellington earlier. Rach Chung has now defended even

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01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 3: more what he's done. He said in on Hindsight, On Hindsight,

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01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 3: if that was now, I think we're more aware of

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01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 3: the things that we should or shouldn't say. These are

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01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 3: as opposed to when he did send the p look

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01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 3: I did. I'm assuming he sent the email to two

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01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 3: three years ago. Anyway, things we shouldn't say, all the

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01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 3: things that we should or shouldn't pass on. I think

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01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 3: I'm wiser now after a couple of years on council.

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01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 3: So being on council has taught Ray that you shouldn't

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01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 3: send gossipy emails about orgies that your former mayor current

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01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 3: mayor has been up to allegedly, which she denies. I

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01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 3: wouldn't object to apologizing to Tory, but it's actually interesting

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01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 3: how it's being cast. He said. He claimed the email

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Speaker 3: had been released now for political purposes. Now, actually that's

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01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 3: about the most accurate thing that Ray has said. Well,

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01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,639
Speaker 3: I don't know that is the accurate thing that he said.

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01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 3: The email has been released by Tory Faro. So this

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01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 3: is where it gets really interesting and quite complicated. In

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01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,719
Speaker 3: four D Chessie or was really just quite three D CHESSI.

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01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 3: But Tory released it to the Herald. So she released

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01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 3: the rumors about her own orgy, which as she denies,

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01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 3: and the drug use, which she denies. She released that

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Speaker 3: to the Herald. Why did she do that? She did

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01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 3: that to take down Ray because Ray is running as

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01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 3: a political candidate for the mayor. Also also, Andrew Little

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01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 3: comments on it and takes a bid on Ray for it,

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01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:29,600
Speaker 3: So that helps Andrew right, because what they're doing is

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01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 3: they're taking out the most likely contender to Andrew Little.

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01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 3: Isn't that interesting how that all works? Nine Away from

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Speaker 3: five Away from nine.

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Speaker 3: Jeez, the week's getting to me now. Listen. We have

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Speaker 3: our pet peeves when we're flying, right, we all have them.

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01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,879
Speaker 3: People who take their shoes off, maybe have the stinky

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01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 3: feed out. People who don't listen to their phone or

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01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 3: iPad without the headphones, seat kickers, people who put their

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01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 3: feet on the arm rest. You know, and you've all

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01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 3: got it. One that is universally shared amongst us as

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01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:03,599
Speaker 3: a hate is the isle skippers. These are the people

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01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 3: who get up as soon as the seat belt turns

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01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 3: off the sign and then push their way into the

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01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 3: front instead of the civilized way of letting each other

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01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 3: get into the isle in front of behind and go

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01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:13,599
Speaker 3: first and so on. Anyway, it's kicked off, it's kicked off,

1882
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:15,679
Speaker 3: and a clip has gone viral after a so called

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01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:18,679
Speaker 3: Karen Isle skipped on a flight that landed at Ford

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Speaker 3: Lauderdale Hollywood International Airport.

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Speaker 13: Oh my god, you're all whining for no.

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01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 8: Re just the car.

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01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 10: People.

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01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 18: My god, why showing up.

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Speaker 23: It's not effecting any of you are so tiny. Here

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01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 23: are the Karens about it, because you are the ones.

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01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 4: You're the one to imagine noise.

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01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:06,600
Speaker 3: Nobody before I'm sorry, do you have my PREMI? Oh

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01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 3: what a time? That had it all, didn't it. It

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01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 3: had the passengers, it had the chanting.

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01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 16: I just wanted to kill the kid. That's the That

1896
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 16: was the most annoying thing that.

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Speaker 3: You had, the child. You had the plane and on.

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Speaker 16: A plane with a kid. That should be a service.

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01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 3: It always surprises me that you chose to have children.

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Speaker 16: That's an interesting way of putting it, that I chose it.

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01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,679
Speaker 3: So there you go. Don't get on a plane because

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01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:35,600
Speaker 3: you might run into Karen also thought some priss to

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Speaker 3: Glenn's wife. Enjoy your weekend. We'll see you on Monday

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Speaker 3: News Talks.

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Speaker 16: They'd be.

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