WEBVTT - Looking at the World Differently with Ethically Kate 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:09.719 With the Heads Podcast Network. Hi, and welcome back to 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:13.039 another episode of Slow It Down. I am your host, 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:17.680 PJ Harding, and this podcast is all about finding peace 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:22.000 in the chaos, ways that we can find a little 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:25.560 more sanity in this wild world that we're living in. 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:28.400 Every week I'm joined by a new guest who, well, 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:31.280 I think we'll bring to the table some inspiration with 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.320 how they live their life, and today is no exception. 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:39.479 I'm joined by Kate Hall, who is the genius behind 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.040 Ethically Kate. You may have seen her online. She is 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:46.840 an educator, writer, and content creator who advocates for living 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.720 and decision making that respects people and the planet. I 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:54.360 think it's really easy to feel intimidated by people such 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:57.720 as Kate who come out and put their voice behind 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.920 sustainability in the environment, because you're always like, oh my god, 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:04.120 I could be doing wavyr there. So I'm really honest 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:07.399 about that with her in this conversation, and it's interesting 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:10.840 how she delves into the responsibility that she's felt on 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:16.360 her shoulders being a voice for the environment. In this conversation, 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:18.960 we talk about how she slows it down, how important 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.840 nature is, the beautiful rituals that she and her family 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.640 do to spice up life, to get out of ruts. 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:29.280 I really really enjoyed this conversation with Kate, and I 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:40.200 hope you do too. Thank you so much for coming 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.920 on today. Okay, it's so nice to meet you in person. Yeah, 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:45.640 you too, you too? 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:47.160 What is background? 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:49.880 Thank you? Oh my god, don't look at the plant. 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:58.840 It's not doing well. First of all, how are you, like, 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.320 how is life going at the moment? Have you go 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:04.440 a lot on lots of projects in the works, Like 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:07.240 how does life look for ethically Kate? At the moment? 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.880 Hmmm, I'm like preparing? Is it too echoe in here? 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:12.880 Does it sound echoey? 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:17.720 It's fine at less you've got another I mean it's 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.280 probably fine. I feel like we never it's through zone, 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.679 can sound a bit echo. That's probably fine. 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:24.480 Yes. 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:26.920 At the moment, I feel like, so we have a 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.760 long term houseit and that is really lovely. 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:34.480 For about seven months we settle in and this has 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:36.960 been in our rhythm for the last two years going 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:40.480 on three years. And so now now. 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:44.160 We're in the final kind of four weeks of packing 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:48.919 up and ready to be like transient again. So life 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.840 is a bit like yeah, just I think like mentally 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:54.720 physically just gearing. 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.720 Up to pack up our stuff. 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:02.080 Yeah, we work that out and just kind of sought 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.240 life and sort a lot of stuff, do a lot 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.600 of deep cleaning, prepare the house before the owners come back, 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.480 and then yeah, be a lot more transient again. 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:15.320 So when you say transient, do you may staying at 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.480 different places? Are you looking at a rental or you 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:19.639 don't know how that's going to lie. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.799 We rented at our house in January twenty twenty three 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.960 and went to India for three months and then house 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.080 that for a few months and then over winter, so 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:32.000 from kind of May till November we're in this permanent house, 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:34.880 which is amazing, and the rest of the year we 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.680 house it for you know, from three to two months 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.840 at the time, and also go on a nationwide tour 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:45.680 around the country every year. So we leave here in 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:48.839 four weeks and then over Christmas we have a house 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:52.520 for a month near family, which is great for Christmas activities, 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.320 and then we go on to it around the country 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.800 for two months and then we'll come back. Don't know 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.040 I'm going to live at April yet, but then we'll 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:02.680 come back to the here to our winter house sit 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:03.040 in May. 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.400 How do you feel not having that base all the time, 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.920 because some people need that constant, you know, place of 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:13.120 grounding or anchoring. Do you kind of thrive off a 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.840 bit of where we're going to be next. I don't. 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:19.760 Like a lot of people like I tell them what 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:21.960 we're doing, They're like, oh my gosh, there must be 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:22.599 so cool. 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:24.520 It must feel like you're on holiday all the time. 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:29.200 And it is cool, like there's so many fun parts 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:33.279 about it. But I definitely I like routine. I'm really 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:35.800 affected by my environment and stuff. 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:38.560 And also I'm not on holiday. I'm trying to live 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:39.520 my normal life. 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:43.160 I'm trying to get groceries in a more sustainable way. 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.839 It's just very difficult and puts a lot more wastes 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.400 and stuff from house it because you don't have your 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:53.880 usual yes of things anyway, and even just your physical environment. 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:55.960 You know, we're living in. 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:59.840 These amazing, lovely houses, but it's not my stuff and 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.360 it's not my choice of colors and textures. And I'm 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:08.119 really affected by that, and I've realized that a lot more. 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:12.400 But I think our main priorities for him and I 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:17.040 to my husband are doing life together. Yeah, and yeah, 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:18.840 doing life in a certain way. 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:23.760 And so we also realized we love our home. 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.400 It's by the beach that we've renovated for the past 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:30.440 few years before we started doing this, and just adore 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.840 it like gardens and fruit trees and really made this 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:37.640 little little blissful spot. But we realized, you start to 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:39.320 get a little bit kind of like gollum. 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:44.080 Yeah, stay away from my pressures. 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.960 Yeah, and that's not a bad thing, Like it's nice 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.479 to feel proud of something and nice to use your 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.200 favorite mug in the morning and have these routines. But 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.719 I think we really didn't want to like get stuck, 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:01.159 and we didn't want to I don't know, just become 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.279 like too particular too and not that we are like 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.280 we always have people staying at our house, open to 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:08.560 the policy, but we just we needed that challenge. 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.839 So is that what prompted the house sitting kind of 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.880 nomadic lifestyle moving around? How long do you plan on 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.320 doing that for until you go back to your precious cave? 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.080 I know? And there's saddest year. 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.240 I was like, I'm moving back to my house in 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:25.080 December other than a dead buddy, like this is the. 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:25.960 Thing I'm doing. 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:29.240 And then after again being in this long term house set, 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.000 so you kind of, yeah, just have a little bit 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:36.760 more stability. We decided not to move back, so it'll 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.279 probably be in a year, so end of twenty twenty 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:41.320 five we'll move back home. 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:46.480 You're always coming up with interesting challenges to put yourself through, though, 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:47.000 aren't you? 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:47.120 Like? 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.680 It seems like I love that though, And I mean, 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.040 you've done how long did you not buy a new 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:53.520 clothes for? 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:59.080 There was a year? A year of twenty two and. 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:01.440 Was that one of the those challenges? Do you think 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:05.240 you've done or have you done tougher things of the easiest? 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:06.720 Really? Yeah? 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:12.120 It was surprisingly much more freeing and yeah, not as 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.440 hard as this. I'm currently doing New zeal Made Food 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:19.120 Challenge that's been much harder than the fashion one. 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.280 So how long is the New Zealand Made Food Challenge 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:22.920 for the whole year? 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.000 Yes? Yeah, first January? 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:28.520 Okay, And so how have you gone? Have you slept 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:29.080 up at all? 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.600 Yeah? It's like I think you just kind of get 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:33.080 used to it. 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.400 Yeah, after a while, and you just I'm also Celiac, 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.200 so I'm used to being able to tell myself you 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:42.160 can't eat that food, you know, Like I it's yeah, 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.560 I was staying as Celia when I was three, So 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.440 that's you know, and I know, yeah, I kind of 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.880 just use that mentality and so you can't eat it 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:57.360 those bananas from the Philippines, someone try to tell myself. 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.640 So it's just those main staples like bananas and rice 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:04.559 and I don't know, just like fun stuff you see, 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:06.200 like I just need to try. 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.680 That, yeah, because I would think i'd go pretty like 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.680 I would think, oh, I could probably do that because 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.440 I like to shove organically and locally and stuff like that. 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:17.240 But actually there's a lot that way I don't realize 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.560 from overseas that snakes in a lot of. 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.880 The organic stuff and the stuff from Bolkan stores. That 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:29.080 is the overseas stuff discovered really. 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:29.360 Hard when you're. 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.400 Yeah, sometimes you have to weigh up your values around 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:37.640 waste free, organic, new zilla made fairly produced, and you 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:39.280 often can't find all of those. 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.760 So I do I do? I guess I. 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.760 Eat a lot. It's you know, that like meat and 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.560 the three ven kind of mentality, which sounds really boring. 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.200 I kind of do that, but in a far more 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.040 creative way. So I'm eating I mean, I've never really 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.800 done processed foods and stuff much anyway. 0:08:58.280 --> 0:08:59.839 I really like cooking and making my own. 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:05.520 But I've kind of really gone back to the absolute basics. 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:07.680 I think you do, especially when you are being a 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.240 bit more conscious of like the produce you get. I 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.880 think you do kind of go back to basics a 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.679 bit more because you don't have all the extra fancy 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.439 bits and bobs and whatever. And it's there's a good 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:20.800 way to eat and seasonally as well. I mean, I'm 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:22.720 sure you're a big advocate of eating seasonally. 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:28.400 Absolutely. I think it's good for our bodies too. Yeah, Like, yeah, I. 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.560 Remember seeing someone made a fruit platter at an event 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.920 and it was like July and there's a pineapplen of strawberry. 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:39.600 You're like, no, what is this? 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:44.720 Firstly, is this millionaire to like afford it because it's 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:48.959 come home from Yes, efensive, and just like, what is. 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:50.199 The life of this strawberry? 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.719 Where has it been hanging out since you know it 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:54.600 grew in summer? 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:55.680 Where did it come from? 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.480 Yes? And we've come to so detached to that because 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.960 we can't have everything of our fingersip And yeah, I 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.959 mean I'm not perfect by any means, cheep as I'll 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:06.920 buy out of season, but I think it is a 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.679 beautiful kind of rule to sort of like guide ourselves 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:13.160 when it comes to trying to eat seasonally. Maybe if 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.319 there are more carrots, then you have more carrot dishes, 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:20.000 or you know, trying to get creative. But you talk about, 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:25.119 you know, your values with whatever it is you're navigating, 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:26.960 and I think they change all the time. And people 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:30.599 have probably found themselves evolving along this kind of sustainable 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.360 journey and you'll be really good at something for a 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.360 while and then that slips off and then you're like, Okay, 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.960 well maybe I'll try this. And would you say that 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:45.480 that is the reality of embracing a life more sustainable 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:47.520 is it is constantly evolving. 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:49.000 Absolutely. 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.680 I mean I think that's what sustainability means is something 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:56.240 that can sustain itself, can continue over and over again. 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:00.960 And we don't know everything now, things that a few 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.280 years ago I was like, come on, everyone, this is 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:03.760 so great. 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:07.319 And I'm like, oh, this isn't so great anymore. Let's 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:09.080 learn and change. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:12.840 Because information evolves in changes absolutely. 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:17.160 And it's also like, there is no perfect sustainable lifestyle. 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:21.320 Some people may argue that, but the more I learn, like, 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.520 the more I think even when I started probably about 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.160 eight years ago, I was really like, Okay, cool, I'm 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.959 going to do like this, you know, rubbish like rubbish 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.960 been free thing and be really had core on waste 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:39.240 and all this stuff. And now I just there's sustainability 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.720 is so much more to me about every facet of life. 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:46.920 Sustainability doesn't mean environmentalism, it doesn't mean green things, it 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:53.080 doesn't mean less pastic. Sustainability is a term that relates 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:57.360 to every facet of our life. So over time I've 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:02.439 become way more passionate about sustainability for our health, for ourselves, 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.520 and knowing that over the last eight years, the times 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:11.760 when I have lived a less sustainable lifestyle or you know, 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.720 had more in my rubbish bin or made decisions that 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:18.840 didn't align with my values was when I was mentally low, 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:23.720 physically sick, you know, situationally didn't have the resources. 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.920 So I think, yeah, sometimes I. 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:28.240 See a lot of people say, oh, yeah, it's so 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.439 easy to live without ways and do this thing, but 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:36.320 they often in a privileged position of accessibility of resources and. 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.920 All that type of things. So that's why I think, yeah. 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:41.560 And a lot of my messaging, I'm not just saying 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.960 these are the eco friendly lifestyle hacks, and I also 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:47.360 go take a nap. 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:51.160 Yes, because the irony is people who try me all 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.360 in one hundred percent sustainable. That's not stainable. And you 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.120 have to be able to be sustainable, and you have 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:00.120 to keep the passion alive. And you come to that 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.240 when you're just constantly failing, because people just give up 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.480 and I feel like it's just a battle that they're 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:06.160 never going to win. 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.319 Yeah, And that's what I think a lot of people 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.800 I talk to it and why people. I mean, I 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.959 started out ethically, Kate just you know, it was it 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.880 wasn't intentional, and now here it as being my full 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:22.160 time job. But I think people have continued on the 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.560 on the journey and continue reading and being part of 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:30.040 my work because they realize that they don't have to 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.319 be the sustainable giru to like try to just try, 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.600 and so I share. I try to share equally my 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:39.720 quote unquote failures, you know, but I really a failure, 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:44.239 but my imperfections let's call them, and and non sustainable 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:46.959 habits just as much because then they go. 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:48.679 Oh, she's not doing well. 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.240 Maybe I can just try like one thing and that's 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.520 going to be the change maker. Like that's going to 0:13:53.559 --> 0:14:00.880 be what like actually drives this cultural shift of doing 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.640 better four people in planet rather than like a whole 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:06.880 bunch of hardcore have been living in tiny house, which 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:08.719 absolutely awesome to you. 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we have to be realistic. 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:17.800 Yeah, as helping mainstream people who don't like care yet 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:19.640 to kre even just a little bit. 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:21.640 I'm sure there was quite a bit of pressure on 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:23.840 your shoulders when you sort of came forward and you 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.880 almost became this figure of sustainability in New Zealand. You 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:33.440 made something that previously wasn't mainstream cool And how did 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:37.080 you should navigate that sense of responsibility on your shoulders? 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:39.320 Was that when you were like atually have to embrace 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:41.760 the imperfection because this is just kind of ruin me. 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:47.880 I mean every day I think to myself, like her 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:49.280 mind to call myself. 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:57.400 Like that's a pretty yeah? Pretty? I mean, firstly, ethics 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:58.040 a subjective. 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:00.160 That's why I chose the word because it's you know, 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:02.120 I won't get into that. 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.400 But it is. It is scary because. 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.080 First and foremost I'm a person who's just sharing what 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:11.000 I'm learning and hoping that other people will learn from it. 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.280 I am I often you know, I. 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.600 Guess I know obviously more than like the average person, 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.280 and I'm just so privileged to have been kind of 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.600 in lots of different spaces, from lots of different industries. 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.320 But I'm by no means an expert and a lot 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:31.640 of what I do and share, even I'm often in 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.200 the media commenting on things, and they say it's a 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:39.480 strain ability experts, hold on, hold on, I'm still a 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:44.320 person who's learning, growing, evolving, sharing, and I'm just sharing 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:48.080 as I go. So I think I definitely and people 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.600 often surprised to hear it because I come across, you know, 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:56.520 quite confident, which I am, but I'm confidently acknowledging my 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:02.200 all the things I don't know, and I experienced imposter 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.200 syndrome and kind of the overwhelm of it. But I 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.920 go here, If I'm going to let those feelings paralyze 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:10.320 me and stop me from doing this. 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.120 Screw it. That's like screw it. 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:18.320 Yeah, yeah, benefits from me talking and actually going out 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:22.800 and speaking, but then being younger, okay to like you know, 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.760 backtrack or update people on information. That's that's you know, 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:28.840 what it should be like. I just feel like it 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:30.760 would be a disservice for me to keep all of. 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.240 This information of course, and learn, you know. 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.600 To myself when we must. We need to do it, 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:38.360 you know, for the sake of people on planet. 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:42.320 And I think that transparency and the humanness is what 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:47.600 takes away that kind of pretentiousness that could be or 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:49.760 like I'm better than you. It never feels like that 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.600 from what I have consumed of your content. I love it, 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.200 and I think it's fun, and I think it's a 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:58.160 really creative way of getting across really important information. So 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:01.440 get that so down out the way, Kate, You're doing 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.800 an amazing job. I want to know what kind of 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.359 got you on the road in the first place, because 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.840 this was never your plan, was it. Didn't you study 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.879 business at Messy or something like that. 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:17.440 Yeah, well I studied business psychology, which some could argue 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.880 is actually directly related to what I do now, because 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.760 that was me being passionate about people in the workplace 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:29.359 working sustainably, you know, like thriving, loving their job, loving 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:29.760 their work. 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.440 And so I did actually come into this space. You know, 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:34.440 a lot of people come to. 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.560 It from you know, they don't want pollution in the 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:39.159 oceans because they're a surfer or. 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.359 But I came into it from a people point of view. 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.760 You know, obviously I love nature's environment, you know, are 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.159 we a part of it? But from that social site, 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:53.560 I so that business psychology does play into it. I 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.080 didn't intend like I was working in hr kind of 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.600 roles and that was I guess I was maybe going 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:04.880 to do my master's to become a industrial psychologist. But yeah, 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:08.840 I just I started sharing in twenty fifteen and learning, 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:13.080 and I just kept communicating and talking. So you know, 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.359 when you kind of reflect back and you're, oh, that 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:18.000 was random, but then you look back through your life, 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.520 that was it random? And that kind of just to 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.159 be here. Yes, I had my business when I was 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:29.359 eight years old. It was called Kate Care and I 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:34.840 watered plants, clicked in mail. Then evolved into like mowing lawns, walking. 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.119 Dogs, hats. 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.520 Yeah, like up to ten houses over the summer at 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:40.880 a time. 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.080 Okay, so you've always just been a really good human from. 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:47.040 The Yeah, I guess I've always like been much. 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:49.840 Heard I can do that, I'll. 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:53.120 Start this so Yeah, to be honest, I actually wanted 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.000 to be a vet my whole life up until I 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:58.159 was about seventeen, So that was my plan but. 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:01.640 Yeah, I'm happy to be here. 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:06.240 I love it for anyone lest saying who is feeling 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:10.879 guilty as we're speaking the words of sustainability, eco living 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:15.720 all of that. What easy bits of advice can you 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:18.560 say that could inspire them to get back on the 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:22.119 bandwagon that don't need to be huge overhauls of their life. 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:31.080 I would say, first start by learning and refreshing yourself 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.800 in a way that suits you. So if you like podcasts, 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:37.399 then you know, find some good podcasts to learn. And 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:42.520 I say learn and refresh your stuff, because if I 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:43.960 want to tell you to go out and buy a 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:46.520 certain thing or do a certain thing, it's kind of 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:51.879 irrelevant unless you have that like why is freshed? So 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:56.920 you might like podcasts or documentaries, or just you might 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.920 like sitting with community, you know, and go to your 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:04.000 local repair cafe. There's so many around the country now, 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:09.000 and just yeah, be with people, strike up conversation when 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:12.159 you're having a coffee with your neighbor or a friend 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:16.600 next ask them, you know, how they approach this topic 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:19.399 and if they think about people on planet and they're 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:21.600 kind of purchasing and habits. 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:24.760 Just I think starting with that. 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:29.000 Means sustainable of them becomes sustainable. 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:35.160 Yes, not unrealistic, unattainable thing that that makes us feel 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:36.200 really shit about ourselves. 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:41.880 Yeah, and we can't. We can't do things like things 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:43.840 aren't going to stick. You know. I could tell you 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:48.080 to compast and send you are good Habit recycling guide 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:51.760 and a list of places to shop in the whole 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:57.480 fashion which all my website, But like, that's irrelevant unless. 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:00.439 Unless you know why you're doing it, And you're not 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:03.280 going to stick to those things unless. 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:06.399 You know why and you're nected in with people and 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:08.119 you're learning in a way that suits you. 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:10.840 I love that. So finding out the why and however 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:12.840 it looks for you, whether it's however you. 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:13.280 Like to. 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:20.120 Ingest content. When it comes to locally shopping locally, I'm 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:21.239 sure you're massive on that. 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:26.120 I am miss upon shopping locally, but I'm not exclusive 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:29.080 to it. I certainly won't be sticking to just New 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:31.639 Zealand made food after this challenge. 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:35.480 I do like rice, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:41.720 And secondly, there's also a huge power in supporting organizations 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:43.880 who employ people overseas. 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:44.399 You know. 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:47.639 I think of the brand Hollybolly, who equal fashion brand. 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:50.760 They were still in Weltain as well, but mainly Aline. 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:55.520 And they employ women in rural India who you know 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:59.119