1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: With the Heads Podcast Network. Hi, and welcome back to 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: another episode of Slow It Down. I am your host, 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: PJ Harding, and this podcast is all about finding peace 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: in the chaos, ways that we can find a little 5 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: more sanity in this wild world that we're living in. 6 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: Every week I'm joined by a new guest who, well, 7 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: I think we'll bring to the table some inspiration with 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: how they live their life, and today is no exception. 9 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: I'm joined by Kate Hall, who is the genius behind 10 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: Ethically Kate. You may have seen her online. She is 11 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: an educator, writer, and content creator who advocates for living 12 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: and decision making that respects people and the planet. I 13 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: think it's really easy to feel intimidated by people such 14 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: as Kate who come out and put their voice behind 15 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: sustainability in the environment, because you're always like, oh my god, 16 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: I could be doing wavyr there. So I'm really honest 17 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: about that with her in this conversation, and it's interesting 18 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: how she delves into the responsibility that she's felt on 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: her shoulders being a voice for the environment. In this conversation, 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: we talk about how she slows it down, how important 21 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: nature is, the beautiful rituals that she and her family 22 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: do to spice up life, to get out of ruts. 23 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: I really really enjoyed this conversation with Kate, and I 24 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: hope you do too. Thank you so much for coming 25 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: on today. Okay, it's so nice to meet you in person. Yeah, 26 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: you too, you too? 27 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: What is background? 28 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: Thank you? Oh my god, don't look at the plant. 29 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: It's not doing well. First of all, how are you, like, 30 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: how is life going at the moment? Have you go 31 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: a lot on lots of projects in the works, Like 32 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: how does life look for ethically Kate? At the moment? 33 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: Hmmm, I'm like preparing? Is it too echoe in here? 34 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: Does it sound echoey? 35 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: It's fine at less you've got another I mean it's 36 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: probably fine. I feel like we never it's through zone, 37 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 1: can sound a bit echo. That's probably fine. 38 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: Yes. 39 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 3: At the moment, I feel like, so we have a 40 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 3: long term houseit and that is really lovely. 41 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: For about seven months we settle in and this has 42 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 2: been in our rhythm for the last two years going 43 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: on three years. And so now now. 44 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 3: We're in the final kind of four weeks of packing 45 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 3: up and ready to be like transient again. So life 46 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 3: is a bit like yeah, just I think like mentally 47 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 3: physically just gearing. 48 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: Up to pack up our stuff. 49 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, we work that out and just kind of sought 50 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 3: life and sort a lot of stuff, do a lot 51 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: of deep cleaning, prepare the house before the owners come back, 52 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 3: and then yeah, be a lot more transient again. 53 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: So when you say transient, do you may staying at 54 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: different places? Are you looking at a rental or you 55 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: don't know how that's going to lie. 56 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 3: We rented at our house in January twenty twenty three 57 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 3: and went to India for three months and then house 58 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 3: that for a few months and then over winter, so 59 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 3: from kind of May till November we're in this permanent house, 60 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 3: which is amazing, and the rest of the year we 61 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 3: house it for you know, from three to two months 62 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: at the time, and also go on a nationwide tour 63 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: around the country every year. So we leave here in 64 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,839 Speaker 3: four weeks and then over Christmas we have a house 65 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 3: for a month near family, which is great for Christmas activities, 66 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: and then we go on to it around the country 67 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 3: for two months and then we'll come back. Don't know 68 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 3: I'm going to live at April yet, but then we'll 69 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 3: come back to the here to our winter house sit 70 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 3: in May. 71 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: How do you feel not having that base all the time, 72 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: because some people need that constant, you know, place of 73 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: grounding or anchoring. Do you kind of thrive off a 74 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: bit of where we're going to be next. I don't. 75 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 3: Like a lot of people like I tell them what 76 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 3: we're doing, They're like, oh my gosh, there must be 77 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 3: so cool. 78 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: It must feel like you're on holiday all the time. 79 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: And it is cool, like there's so many fun parts 80 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 3: about it. But I definitely I like routine. I'm really 81 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 3: affected by my environment and stuff. 82 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: And also I'm not on holiday. I'm trying to live 83 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: my normal life. 84 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 3: I'm trying to get groceries in a more sustainable way. 85 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 3: It's just very difficult and puts a lot more wastes 86 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 3: and stuff from house it because you don't have your 87 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 3: usual yes of things anyway, and even just your physical environment. 88 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: You know, we're living in. 89 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 3: These amazing, lovely houses, but it's not my stuff and 90 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 3: it's not my choice of colors and textures. And I'm 91 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:08,119 Speaker 3: really affected by that, and I've realized that a lot more. 92 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 3: But I think our main priorities for him and I 93 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 3: to my husband are doing life together. Yeah, and yeah, 94 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 3: doing life in a certain way. 95 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: And so we also realized we love our home. 96 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 3: It's by the beach that we've renovated for the past 97 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 3: few years before we started doing this, and just adore 98 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 3: it like gardens and fruit trees and really made this 99 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 3: little little blissful spot. But we realized, you start to 100 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: get a little bit kind of like gollum. 101 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, stay away from my pressures. 102 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's not a bad thing, Like it's nice 103 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 3: to feel proud of something and nice to use your 104 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 3: favorite mug in the morning and have these routines. But 105 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 3: I think we really didn't want to like get stuck, 106 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 3: and we didn't want to I don't know, just become 107 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 3: like too particular too and not that we are like 108 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 3: we always have people staying at our house, open to 109 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 3: the policy, but we just we needed that challenge. 110 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: So is that what prompted the house sitting kind of 111 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: nomadic lifestyle moving around? How long do you plan on 112 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: doing that for until you go back to your precious cave? 113 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: I know? And there's saddest year. 114 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 3: I was like, I'm moving back to my house in 115 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 3: December other than a dead buddy, like this is the. 116 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: Thing I'm doing. 117 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 3: And then after again being in this long term house set, 118 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 3: so you kind of, yeah, just have a little bit 119 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 3: more stability. We decided not to move back, so it'll 120 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 3: probably be in a year, so end of twenty twenty 121 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 3: five we'll move back home. 122 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: You're always coming up with interesting challenges to put yourself through, though, 123 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: aren't you? 124 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: Like? 125 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: It seems like I love that though, And I mean, 126 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: you've done how long did you not buy a new 127 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: clothes for? 128 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: There was a year? A year of twenty two and. 129 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: Was that one of the those challenges? Do you think 130 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: you've done or have you done tougher things of the easiest? 131 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 2: Really? Yeah? 132 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: It was surprisingly much more freeing and yeah, not as 133 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 3: hard as this. I'm currently doing New zeal Made Food 134 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 3: Challenge that's been much harder than the fashion one. 135 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: So how long is the New Zealand Made Food Challenge 136 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: for the whole year? 137 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, first January? 138 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: Okay, And so how have you gone? Have you slept 139 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: up at all? 140 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? It's like I think you just kind of get 141 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: used to it. 142 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, after a while, and you just I'm also Celiac, 143 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: so I'm used to being able to tell myself you 144 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 3: can't eat that food, you know, Like I it's yeah, 145 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 3: I was staying as Celia when I was three, So 146 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 3: that's you know, and I know, yeah, I kind of 147 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 3: just use that mentality and so you can't eat it 148 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 3: those bananas from the Philippines, someone try to tell myself. 149 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: So it's just those main staples like bananas and rice 150 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,559 Speaker 3: and I don't know, just like fun stuff you see, 151 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 3: like I just need to try. 152 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: That, yeah, because I would think i'd go pretty like 153 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: I would think, oh, I could probably do that because 154 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: I like to shove organically and locally and stuff like that. 155 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: But actually there's a lot that way I don't realize 156 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: from overseas that snakes in a lot of. 157 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: The organic stuff and the stuff from Bolkan stores. That 158 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 3: is the overseas stuff discovered really. 159 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 2: Hard when you're. 160 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes you have to weigh up your values around 161 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 3: waste free, organic, new zilla made fairly produced, and you 162 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 3: often can't find all of those. 163 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: So I do I do? I guess I. 164 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 3: Eat a lot. It's you know, that like meat and 165 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 3: the three ven kind of mentality, which sounds really boring. 166 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 3: I kind of do that, but in a far more 167 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: creative way. So I'm eating I mean, I've never really 168 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 3: done processed foods and stuff much anyway. 169 00:08:58,280 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 2: I really like cooking and making my own. 170 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 3: But I've kind of really gone back to the absolute basics. 171 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: I think you do, especially when you are being a 172 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: bit more conscious of like the produce you get. I 173 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: think you do kind of go back to basics a 174 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: bit more because you don't have all the extra fancy 175 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: bits and bobs and whatever. And it's there's a good 176 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: way to eat and seasonally as well. I mean, I'm 177 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: sure you're a big advocate of eating seasonally. 178 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I think it's good for our bodies too. Yeah, Like, yeah, I. 179 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 3: Remember seeing someone made a fruit platter at an event 180 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 3: and it was like July and there's a pineapplen of strawberry. 181 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: You're like, no, what is this? 182 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 3: Firstly, is this millionaire to like afford it because it's 183 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 3: come home from Yes, efensive, and just like, what is. 184 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 2: The life of this strawberry? 185 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 3: Where has it been hanging out since you know it 186 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 3: grew in summer? 187 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 2: Where did it come from? 188 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: Yes? And we've come to so detached to that because 189 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: we can't have everything of our fingersip And yeah, I 190 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: mean I'm not perfect by any means, cheep as I'll 191 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: buy out of season, but I think it is a 192 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: beautiful kind of rule to sort of like guide ourselves 193 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: when it comes to trying to eat seasonally. Maybe if 194 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: there are more carrots, then you have more carrot dishes, 195 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: or you know, trying to get creative. But you talk about, 196 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:25,119 Speaker 1: you know, your values with whatever it is you're navigating, 197 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: and I think they change all the time. And people 198 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,599 Speaker 1: have probably found themselves evolving along this kind of sustainable 199 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: journey and you'll be really good at something for a 200 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: while and then that slips off and then you're like, Okay, 201 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: well maybe I'll try this. And would you say that 202 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: that is the reality of embracing a life more sustainable 203 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: is it is constantly evolving. 204 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 205 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 3: I mean I think that's what sustainability means is something 206 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 3: that can sustain itself, can continue over and over again. 207 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 3: And we don't know everything now, things that a few 208 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 3: years ago I was like, come on, everyone, this is 209 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 3: so great. 210 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, this isn't so great anymore. Let's 211 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 2: learn and change. 212 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: Because information evolves in changes absolutely. 213 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 3: And it's also like, there is no perfect sustainable lifestyle. 214 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 3: Some people may argue that, but the more I learn, like, 215 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 3: the more I think even when I started probably about 216 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 3: eight years ago, I was really like, Okay, cool, I'm 217 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 3: going to do like this, you know, rubbish like rubbish 218 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 3: been free thing and be really had core on waste 219 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 3: and all this stuff. And now I just there's sustainability 220 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 3: is so much more to me about every facet of life. 221 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 3: Sustainability doesn't mean environmentalism, it doesn't mean green things, it 222 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 3: doesn't mean less pastic. Sustainability is a term that relates 223 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 3: to every facet of our life. So over time I've 224 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 3: become way more passionate about sustainability for our health, for ourselves, 225 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 3: and knowing that over the last eight years, the times 226 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 3: when I have lived a less sustainable lifestyle or you know, 227 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 3: had more in my rubbish bin or made decisions that 228 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 3: didn't align with my values was when I was mentally low, 229 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 3: physically sick, you know, situationally didn't have the resources. 230 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, sometimes I. 231 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 3: See a lot of people say, oh, yeah, it's so 232 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 3: easy to live without ways and do this thing, but 233 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 3: they often in a privileged position of accessibility of resources and. 234 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: All that type of things. So that's why I think, yeah. 235 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 3: And a lot of my messaging, I'm not just saying 236 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 3: these are the eco friendly lifestyle hacks, and I also 237 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 3: go take a nap. 238 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: Yes, because the irony is people who try me all 239 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: in one hundred percent sustainable. That's not stainable. And you 240 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: have to be able to be sustainable, and you have 241 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: to keep the passion alive. And you come to that 242 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: when you're just constantly failing, because people just give up 243 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: and I feel like it's just a battle that they're 244 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: never going to win. 245 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's what I think a lot of people 246 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 3: I talk to it and why people. I mean, I 247 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 3: started out ethically, Kate just you know, it was it 248 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 3: wasn't intentional, and now here it as being my full 249 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 3: time job. But I think people have continued on the 250 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 3: on the journey and continue reading and being part of 251 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 3: my work because they realize that they don't have to 252 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 3: be the sustainable giru to like try to just try, 253 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 3: and so I share. I try to share equally my 254 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 3: quote unquote failures, you know, but I really a failure, 255 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,239 Speaker 3: but my imperfections let's call them, and and non sustainable 256 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 3: habits just as much because then they go. 257 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 2: Oh, she's not doing well. 258 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 3: Maybe I can just try like one thing and that's 259 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 3: going to be the change maker. Like that's going to 260 00:13:53,559 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 3: be what like actually drives this cultural shift of doing 261 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 3: better four people in planet rather than like a whole 262 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 3: bunch of hardcore have been living in tiny house, which 263 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 3: absolutely awesome to you. 264 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we have to be realistic. 265 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, as helping mainstream people who don't like care yet 266 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 3: to kre even just a little bit. 267 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure there was quite a bit of pressure on 268 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: your shoulders when you sort of came forward and you 269 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: almost became this figure of sustainability in New Zealand. You 270 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: made something that previously wasn't mainstream cool And how did 271 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: you should navigate that sense of responsibility on your shoulders? 272 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: Was that when you were like atually have to embrace 273 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: the imperfection because this is just kind of ruin me. 274 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 3: I mean every day I think to myself, like her 275 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: mind to call myself. 276 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: Like that's a pretty yeah? Pretty? I mean, firstly, ethics 277 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: a subjective. 278 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 3: That's why I chose the word because it's you know, 279 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 3: I won't get into that. 280 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: But it is. It is scary because. 281 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 3: First and foremost I'm a person who's just sharing what 282 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 3: I'm learning and hoping that other people will learn from it. 283 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: I am I often you know, I. 284 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 3: Guess I know obviously more than like the average person, 285 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: and I'm just so privileged to have been kind of 286 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 3: in lots of different spaces, from lots of different industries. 287 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 3: But I'm by no means an expert and a lot 288 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: of what I do and share, even I'm often in 289 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 3: the media commenting on things, and they say it's a 290 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 3: strain ability experts, hold on, hold on, I'm still a 291 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 3: person who's learning, growing, evolving, sharing, and I'm just sharing 292 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 3: as I go. So I think I definitely and people 293 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 3: often surprised to hear it because I come across, you know, 294 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 3: quite confident, which I am, but I'm confidently acknowledging my 295 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 3: all the things I don't know, and I experienced imposter 296 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 3: syndrome and kind of the overwhelm of it. But I 297 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 3: go here, If I'm going to let those feelings paralyze 298 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 3: me and stop me from doing this. 299 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: Screw it. That's like screw it. 300 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, benefits from me talking and actually going out 301 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 3: and speaking, but then being younger, okay to like you know, 302 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 3: backtrack or update people on information. That's that's you know, 303 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 3: what it should be like. I just feel like it 304 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 3: would be a disservice for me to keep all of. 305 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 2: This information of course, and learn, you know. 306 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 3: To myself when we must. We need to do it, 307 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 3: you know, for the sake of people on planet. 308 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: And I think that transparency and the humanness is what 309 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: takes away that kind of pretentiousness that could be or 310 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: like I'm better than you. It never feels like that 311 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: from what I have consumed of your content. I love it, 312 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: and I think it's fun, and I think it's a 313 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: really creative way of getting across really important information. So 314 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: get that so down out the way, Kate, You're doing 315 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: an amazing job. I want to know what kind of 316 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: got you on the road in the first place, because 317 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: this was never your plan, was it. Didn't you study 318 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: business at Messy or something like that. 319 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, well I studied business psychology, which some could argue 320 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 3: is actually directly related to what I do now, because 321 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 3: that was me being passionate about people in the workplace 322 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 3: working sustainably, you know, like thriving, loving their job, loving 323 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 3: their work. 324 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 2: And so I did actually come into this space. You know, 325 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 2: a lot of people come to. 326 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 3: It from you know, they don't want pollution in the 327 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 3: oceans because they're a surfer or. 328 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 2: But I came into it from a people point of view. 329 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 3: You know, obviously I love nature's environment, you know, are 330 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 3: we a part of it? But from that social site, 331 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 3: I so that business psychology does play into it. I 332 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 3: didn't intend like I was working in hr kind of 333 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 3: roles and that was I guess I was maybe going 334 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 3: to do my master's to become a industrial psychologist. But yeah, 335 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 3: I just I started sharing in twenty fifteen and learning, 336 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 3: and I just kept communicating and talking. So you know, 337 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 3: when you kind of reflect back and you're, oh, that 338 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 3: was random, but then you look back through your life, 339 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 3: that was it random? And that kind of just to 340 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 3: be here. Yes, I had my business when I was 341 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 3: eight years old. It was called Kate Care and I 342 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 3: watered plants, clicked in mail. Then evolved into like mowing lawns, walking. 343 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 2: Dogs, hats. 344 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, like up to ten houses over the summer at 345 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 3: a time. 346 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: Okay, so you've always just been a really good human from. 347 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: The Yeah, I guess I've always like been much. 348 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: Heard I can do that, I'll. 349 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 3: Start this so Yeah, to be honest, I actually wanted 350 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 3: to be a vet my whole life up until I 351 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 3: was about seventeen, So that was my plan but. 352 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm happy to be here. 353 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: I love it for anyone lest saying who is feeling 354 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: guilty as we're speaking the words of sustainability, eco living 355 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: all of that. What easy bits of advice can you 356 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: say that could inspire them to get back on the 357 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: bandwagon that don't need to be huge overhauls of their life. 358 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 3: I would say, first start by learning and refreshing yourself 359 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 3: in a way that suits you. So if you like podcasts, 360 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 3: then you know, find some good podcasts to learn. And 361 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 3: I say learn and refresh your stuff, because if I 362 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 3: want to tell you to go out and buy a 363 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 3: certain thing or do a certain thing, it's kind of 364 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 3: irrelevant unless you have that like why is freshed? So 365 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 3: you might like podcasts or documentaries, or just you might 366 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 3: like sitting with community, you know, and go to your 367 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 3: local repair cafe. There's so many around the country now, 368 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 3: and just yeah, be with people, strike up conversation when 369 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 3: you're having a coffee with your neighbor or a friend 370 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 3: next ask them, you know, how they approach this topic 371 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 3: and if they think about people on planet and they're 372 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 3: kind of purchasing and habits. 373 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: Just I think starting with that. 374 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 3: Means sustainable of them becomes sustainable. 375 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: Yes, not unrealistic, unattainable thing that that makes us feel 376 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: really shit about ourselves. 377 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we can't. We can't do things like things 378 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 3: aren't going to stick. You know. I could tell you 379 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 3: to compast and send you are good Habit recycling guide 380 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 3: and a list of places to shop in the whole 381 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 3: fashion which all my website, But like, that's irrelevant unless. 382 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 2: Unless you know why you're doing it, And you're not 383 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 2: going to stick to those things unless. 384 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 3: You know why and you're nected in with people and 385 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 3: you're learning in a way that suits you. 386 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: I love that. So finding out the why and however 387 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: it looks for you, whether it's however you. 388 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 2: Like to. 389 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: Ingest content. When it comes to locally shopping locally, I'm 390 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,239 Speaker 1: sure you're massive on that. 391 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 3: I am miss upon shopping locally, but I'm not exclusive 392 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 3: to it. I certainly won't be sticking to just New 393 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 3: Zealand made food after this challenge. 394 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: I do like rice, yeah, yeah, yeah. 395 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 3: And secondly, there's also a huge power in supporting organizations 396 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 3: who employ people overseas. 397 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: You know. 398 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 3: I think of the brand Hollybolly, who equal fashion brand. 399 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: They were still in Weltain as well, but mainly Aline. 400 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 3: And they employ women in rural India who you know 401 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 3: they talked to so is that long, beautiful story, but 402 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 3: they taught these long to so and then the women like, 403 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 3: we want jobs you know in this in this town 404 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 3: where women and nothing weren't allowed jobs like or he. 405 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 2: Completely oppressed. 406 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 3: And then you know there's this fashion label which means 407 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 3: they can make clothes, have employment treated with so much 408 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 3: more respect. It's really changing the whole culture of the city. 409 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 3: So to say we should only buy a New Zealand 410 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 3: made and local is to kind of yeah, stop, great 411 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 3: opportunities for being able to actually support our global community 412 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 3: as well. So I think it's a great it's a 413 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 3: great balance, and it's again it's up toide person. The 414 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 3: person's your individual values. Because for a lot of people, 415 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 3: they only shops you can hand and it's amazing, you know, 416 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 3: but for a lot of people maybe only supporting companies 417 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 3: like Hollibolly recreate clothing others overseas. That may be a 418 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 3: passion because you have that kind of that that global conscience. 419 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 2: So I think it's it's a bit. 420 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: Bit of everything. Just quickly. I'm sure you've written lots 421 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 1: on this, but your favorite ethical Keewi clothing brands in 422 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: New Zealand. As we're heading into Christmas, I just want 423 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: to I'll get into Christmas a little bit more, son, 424 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: But do you have just a couple of faves that 425 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: you want to give a shout out to? 426 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I've already mentioned Holly and yes, we're 427 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 2: great as a tall chip. 428 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 3: Koto is the jeans are so good. It was a 429 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 3: black tank top that still exists in my wardrobe. 430 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. I could guarantee if I bought it at the 431 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 2: mall from the brands. 432 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: I would I would have holes in it. 433 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:47,479 Speaker 3: No, So yeah, Koto is brilliant standard issue. 434 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 2: I'm wearing one of the tops right now. I just 435 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 2: live in this stuff. 436 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: I love your dancing videos within this so good makes 437 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: me want to just like get my husband wearing my clothes. 438 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 3: I know it is handy, tom as similar at heights 439 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 3: and can fit. I can even have fit his shorts 440 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 3: I just discovered the other day. But it's not happy 441 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 3: with me buying his shorts. 442 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: And so with Christmas obviously fast approaching, and there's the 443 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: cost of living crisis, so that is obviously in a 444 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: lot of people's minds, but with the environment in mind 445 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: as well, what do you think is some good alternatives 446 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: for Chrissy presents some fun, creative ways that you can 447 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: show people you love them without just going to stock 448 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: standard shop and dropping fifty or one hundred bucks. 449 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. 450 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 3: I mean personally, I actually just launched the biggest blot 451 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 3: I've ever written in my entire life, which was like, 452 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 3: it's huge. There are a hundred different options on there. 453 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 3: So that's like your classic sustainable Christmas gifts, which it's 454 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 3: still stuff which you know, personally still end up having 455 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 3: to buy some stuff, but it's your sex. It's like 456 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 3: soaps and underwear and towels and candles, but it's all 457 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 3: good ethically made mainly New Zealand brands. 458 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 2: So that's a great thing because it's a low cost point. 459 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 3: You know, like there are small gifts too, so you 460 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 3: know it kind of means a lot more. 461 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: You're still spending a small. 462 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 3: Amount, but it's like a boutique New Zealand maid, so 463 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 3: you know that it adds a bit of more. 464 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: Kudos to the gift. 465 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 3: For me and my funo, we often don't do any 466 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 3: physical gifts and like one year we all donated to 467 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 3: a charity that suited the person. So like, my brother 468 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 3: is a musician, and I think it was my mum 469 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,959 Speaker 3: who got him as like a secret standard situation and 470 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 3: donated to like a music therapy group, you know. So 471 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 3: it's a it's a personalized gift still, but you're, yeah, 472 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 3: you're just donating. Or we donate vouchers for things. So 473 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 3: my sister gave Tim and I a voucher to it 474 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 3: up like a lovely date dinner meal and leave us 475 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 3: to it. And Tim and I gave mom and Dad 476 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 3: two hours of deep cleaning their house. And I really 477 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 3: like that. 478 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: Like really thoughtful girls. 479 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 2: So you can. 480 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 3: I know that it's hard because in some family cultures 481 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 3: there's this expectation of buying something and physically sitting around 482 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 3: and clifting. But I would suggest, you know, especially we 483 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 3: kind of have a bit of time before Christmas to 484 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 3: actually say, hey, should we do things differently this year 485 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 3: or or yeah, just plant that seed, because to be honest, 486 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 3: probably a lot of people will go, oh my gosh, 487 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 3: thank you for saying that. You know, I was stressed. 488 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 3: Let let's all commit to this. So I think it 489 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 3: does involve you know, I'm really grateful that my family 490 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 3: and Tim's family were all on board with the less 491 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 3: gifts and more time and and you need gifts. But 492 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 3: I know it has had to suggest that, you know, 493 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 3: because we were quite set in their ways. But I 494 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 3: found suggesting it in a cold, cold blooded moment, not 495 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 3: saying not sitting down on Christmas this year and going, 496 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I got all that's rabbit like, yeah, 497 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 3: actually being soft and kind about it and planting planting seeds. Yeah, 498 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 3: Like vouchers are great, you know, experiences this. We have 499 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 3: so many opportunities to buy gifts that aren't junk. A 500 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 3: majority of gifts end up, you know, in the rubbish 501 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 3: or in the junk cupboard. 502 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: So it's true you are a big fan of making traditions. 503 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 1: Was it a Christmas tradition? I can't remember. I saw 504 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: it where you and your husband literally had like breakfast naked. 505 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: Was there Christmas? 506 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 2: It was Christmas? And you know what it was. 507 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,719 Speaker 3: We thought about it for ages and we did it 508 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 3: and it was so much fun that we got out 509 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 3: beautiful china. 510 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 2: And they like bread and we had this whole and 511 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 2: it was just a term and it was so much fun. 512 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 3: It was just kind of I think it's nice because 513 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 3: sometimes you can get caught up in all the family 514 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 3: things and you forget, especially when it's just two of you. 515 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 2: That like we're a family unit terms, it's fun. 516 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 3: But now that we're house sitting and over Christmas were 517 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 3: like staying with family. 518 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 2: Vision, we'll restart it mixt you do you. 519 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: Have like a certain special menu when you're not or 520 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: like some kind of food guys. 521 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 2: I mean, anything goes, But it's mainly the part. 522 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 3: It's not just being naked, but it's also having like 523 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 3: lovely you know, really working on making the bread and 524 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 3: getting fresh fruit and you know, a very very gourmet 525 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 3: kind of fancy breakfast to match our fancier times. 526 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 2: I love that. 527 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: I see you do upside down Thursdays as well. Is 528 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: that still going you do that every week? 529 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 3: Yes, though who've been house to have found it's too 530 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 3: just sorient it so we have to be pau but 531 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 3: it's definitely still yeah in our repertoire. 532 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, that was just us. 533 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 3: Not wanting to get stuck in a rut of get in. 534 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 2: The bed and you have the same side of the bed, and. 535 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 3: I think it was Tim's idea and we just where 536 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 3: our feet usually are our heads are and we switched around. 537 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 3: Often it's a good day to like do the sheets 538 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 3: that they do. Yeah, yeah, not sleeping actually your. 539 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: Feet and it gives you a fresh perspective, do you 540 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: find and it gets you out of ruts exactly. 541 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 3: And you honestly, we have to go to bed quite 542 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 3: a bit beforehand because you're honestly looking at the room differently. 543 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 3: You come up with all these different ideas that we 544 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 3: just find ourselves to like it feels like a sleepover, yes, 545 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 3: and even though we've done it over the years and years, 546 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 3: it still feels like that. 547 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll definitely keep it up. 548 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: It's a bit of so do you have any support, 549 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: Like do you ever find you lose your pillow because 550 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: it's not up by the bed. 551 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 3: I've actually never lost my pillow And we started like 552 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 3: this six years on, so I think you kind of 553 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 3: because we're quite tall people, we have to pull the 554 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 3: bed off the wall. 555 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, otherwise outfect don't fit. 556 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 3: And be Eccleston's kind of health the end of the 557 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 3: bed and yeah, I think you kind of it just 558 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 3: becomes like also pilot yeah type people go under a 559 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 3: bit and got a bit of space. Yeah, no problem 560 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 3: with that, But it depends on the fabric of your linen. 561 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 2: Yes, you're the thickness of your pillar. I'm sure there's 562 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 2: a science behind it. 563 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: I just love these cute little things that you infuse 564 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: into your life to obviously bring a bit of joy. 565 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: And I know that you talk about how you try 566 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: to encompass joy filled living. How does that look for 567 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: you on a daily basis, Like, how do you capture 568 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: those moments of joy that could often be overlooked by others? 569 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 2: M I think it starts with really good phone hygiene. 570 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 2: They call it my phone. 571 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 3: I'm charge in another room for a few hours before 572 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 3: I go to bed, and not for the first few 573 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 3: hours of my day. 574 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 2: I think that allows. 575 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 3: You to just be much more human and much more 576 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 3: awake and aware, especially when my work is so digital. 577 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying I'm perfect at that two hour thing, 578 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 2: but it is. 579 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 3: I really find having my phone in my room just. 580 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: It's horrible, isn't it. You just you actually just can't disconnect, 581 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: and you feel the feelings of hundreds of different people 582 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: that you wouldn't usually be impacted by, and all of 583 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: a suddenly they're getting into your space and it's like, hey, 584 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: why am I feeling the secondhand? You don't need to, 585 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: and I'm so guilty of it, and I reckon. I 586 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: got really good for a couple of years, but since 587 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: getting back into work this year so bad. 588 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 2: It's hard I find. I brought a really fancy, beautiful 589 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: alarm clock. That's great. 590 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 3: It's really helped because I spent a lot of money 591 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 3: on this beautiful and it's ever got a power nap time. 592 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 3: So that means I'm yeah, really so yeah that that 593 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 3: phone trick and different things. Just I think if you 594 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 3: don't if you're not aware, the world can just catch 595 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,959 Speaker 3: you up, and you're doing all these important things, you know, 596 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 3: but are they really important and you're not actually opening 597 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 3: space to find those little joys. So yeah, I spent 598 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 3: a lot of time outside. I'm really grateful to live 599 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 3: by the beach, to spend a lot of time in beach. 600 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, in beach. In actually a lot of time in 601 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 2: the beach all the way around. 602 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: Yes, and. 603 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of time with my family, which I 604 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,719 Speaker 3: think when I hear the word joy, that's what I 605 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 3: think of two. So yeah, I want to analyze that 606 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 3: question more in my daily life too, because I wonder 607 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 3: how different. Yeah, yeah, my little routines and habits build 608 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 3: and the opportunity to find joy, because we can all 609 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 3: find it, but it's it's allowing more opportunities for it 610 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 3: and open yourself up to that. So I think also 611 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 3: feeling you know, I try to move every day. 612 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 2: You to do first thing in the morning, so if 613 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 2: you're feeling good and you're aware of your body and aware. 614 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 3: Of yourself, and I do that first thing. And I'm 615 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 3: also a religious napper, so. 616 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: I'm how many times do you get to nap to day? Oh? 617 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 2: I net once a day. 618 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: Do you like a little catnap in the afternoon? Oh 619 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: that sounds so blessful, Like twenty minutes or an hour? 620 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 2: Twenty minutes? An hour much? I can't Yeah, yeah. 621 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 3: Even fifteen sometimes I'm pretty pretty good. 622 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,479 Speaker 1: Do you nestle up into like a little patch of sun? 623 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, depending on the season, if the sun's available. Yeah, 624 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 3: but I have a little weighted an eye mask and 625 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 3: it's all yeah. But you know, I think all these 626 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 3: things we talk about, people go, oh, you're so lucky 627 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 3: to have a nap or oh there's all yeah, there's 628 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 3: all these things, which absolutely I'm lucky but but I don't. 629 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 2: You know, I. 630 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 3: Actually get more way more work done after I have 631 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 3: that nap than I would have if I hadn't, So 632 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 3: I'm not. It's about prioritizing time and actually being aware 633 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 3: of what your body needs how you can foster it, 634 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 3: like a thriving existence and a thriving Yeah, a thriving 635 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 3: space to find that joy to work on things you 636 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 3: want to to have capacity for relationships and create of 637 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,879 Speaker 3: ideas and things like that. So yeah, we really get 638 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 3: built into this like gotta work, gotta do the hours, 639 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 3: and it's not it's not really helping helping anyone. And 640 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 3: I absolutely know like that I am you know, I 641 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 3: whip for myself. I love by the beach, I have 642 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 3: all these great things that set me up for success. 643 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 3: But we do have a lot more control, I think 644 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 3: than then we realize looking after ourselves and opening ourselves 645 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 3: up for more opportunities to feel dor and enjoy and 646 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 3: find it. 647 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're just creating. I think it's so beautiful 648 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: that you're creating a life and a career around your passion. 649 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Like, I think that is such an 650 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: important part of ones you know, purpose and whatnot and 651 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,240 Speaker 1: it's just amazing that you're being able to follow that journey. 652 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you've still got lots of grand 653 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: plans along the way, but that's pretty cool when you 654 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 1: look back on what you've bechanged. 655 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,800 Speaker 3: It's pretty like, to be honest, this year, I nearly 656 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:08,879 Speaker 3: gave it up. 657 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: Really yeah, I think. 658 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:20,720 Speaker 3: It's obviously brilliant and incredible kind of quality of life 659 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 3: and freedom. But you know, when you're when you're working 660 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 3: and dealing in something that is you're absolutely giving yourself 661 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 3: to thousands of other people every day, and that's your. 662 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 2: Job, that's your work. 663 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 3: It really does take a toll and you become you know, 664 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 3: you find yourself. So they go, oh my gosh, all 665 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 3: those people in the world who like go to work 666 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 3: go home, rather than like, oh, I wonder what jobs 667 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 3: are coming in this month. Yes, but obviously the grass 668 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 3: was always green. Now you know this, but it is 669 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 3: it is. 670 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: It is draining and exhausting when you're constantly expected to 671 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: put yourself authentically out there and you're obviously going to 672 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: have bad days and you're going to have moments that 673 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: you don't want to share, but you still have to 674 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 1: show up. And it's I think I think everyone in 675 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: that position would have those moments where they're like, I 676 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: don't know if I can do this anymore. 677 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 3: And I've always had those ups and downs, but I 678 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 3: think when life like it's been in the last few years, 679 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 3: it's it's not yeah, there's been more big, deep lows, 680 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 3: and so I've really experienced yeah, feeling oh, like how 681 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 3: can I do? You know, I'd love to just go 682 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 3: sit at my office job. 683 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: And like be able to switch off at the end 684 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: of the day. You don't have to think about how 685 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,479 Speaker 1: you're going to show up to all of these people. Yeah, 686 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,399 Speaker 1: I absolutely get it, But then you've got to think, 687 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: what are you? You know, you are literally changing lives 688 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: with the information that you are present in the way 689 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: that you're making it so palatable for so many people. 690 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 3: Yes, and you think, like that's what keeps me going 691 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 3: my messages of how I've impact yeah people's worlds, but 692 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,879 Speaker 3: also I think, you know, I do. 693 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 2: The reason that I kind. 694 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 3: Of walked off the end of literally applying for some 695 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 3: of the jobs that I had looked at was even 696 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 3: though part of the job is why I can be 697 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 3: so down sometimes, it's also like I don't have to 698 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 3: get up and be somewhere every day at the same time, 699 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 3: I can go for a swim and I can do 700 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 3: something that I actually really need to look after myself 701 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 3: in that moment. 702 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:45,399 Speaker 2: And so. 703 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, this type of lifestyle also actually lends itself to, yeah, 704 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 3: being more helpful for when you aren't. 705 00:38:55,080 --> 00:39:00,040 Speaker 1: So it's me it's a natural process and it's the 706 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: grass is green and rose turned to glasses mentality that 707 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 1: gets us all. I don't think any of us are 708 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: immune to that. Anyone who looks like they've got the 709 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 1: perfect life, there is always that water or you know, 710 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,839 Speaker 1: life would be better if whether it's financial or there's 711 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,760 Speaker 1: always some area of one's life that they're like, oh, 712 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,240 Speaker 1: this could be bitter if dot dot dot. 713 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 3: Totally absolutely good, like good things aren't easy. 714 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 2: No, it's also like, you know, it's just life, like 715 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,720 Speaker 2: it's you know, yeah, if we were happy all the time. 716 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 3: It wouldn't know what happiness or joy was because it 717 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 3: couldn't hit us on the face at a time of 718 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 3: just you know like yes, yeah. 719 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: So this is my missage she to keep going. That's 720 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: a little write it down down, keep going. Do you 721 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: have any advice that you tell your younger self before 722 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: you got into this lifestyle, maybe like early twenty year. Okay, 723 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: what would you what would you tell her ahead of 724 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: everything you know is coming up? 725 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,760 Speaker 3: I would tell her firstly, not to donate the black 726 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 3: ever jumpsuits that I gave up, because I regret that. 727 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: Do you know where it's gone? Anywhere to located? 728 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 2: A great hop shot? Fine? 729 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 3: But secondly I would I'd tell her something that actually 730 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 3: someone told me when I was like fourteen in a 731 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 3: property manager, to spend more time stopping and smelling the roses. 732 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 3: And I know, like a lot of the things we've 733 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 3: talked about, people may think, oh, o, Kate, it's. 734 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:47,839 Speaker 2: Really good at doing that. 735 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 3: But I think I have these challenges and I have 736 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 3: these strategies because I'm not someone who lives making in 737 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 3: the clouds stopping to smell the roses. Like my husband 738 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 3: is so good that and he inspires me so much 739 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 3: more to do that I can left to my own 740 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 3: advices be quite intense, quite like Taipei and full on 741 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 3: and I started a childcare company in my early twenties. 742 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 3: I started ethically, Kate, it was, it was, it was 743 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 3: a lot, and so even though I absolutely don't regret 744 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:19,399 Speaker 3: any of. 745 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: It, I would just enjoy the right rees that to. 746 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 3: Younger Kate and say no, seriously, just sit more in 747 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 3: the moment and don't always be thinking about the future, 748 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 3: like that's a great skill of mine, but just don't 749 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 3: always like like, I've started learning a lot about meditation 750 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 3: in the last five years, so i'd tell her to 751 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 3: maybe start learn about that a bit earlier. 752 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: I reason ate with the re word you said, that's 753 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: literally why I started this podcast. You know, we know, 754 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 1: we know all the stuff, we know what we meant 755 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,839 Speaker 1: to be doing. You've had these conversations over and over, 756 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: but actually embodying it is another whole thing, and I 757 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: think the more we can remind ourselves of that the better. 758 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 759 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,239 Speaker 1: Well, Kate, thank you so much for coming on. It's 760 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: been so nice to meet you, and all the best 761 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,280 Speaker 1: with what's to come over the next few years. 762 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 2: Thank you so awesome. Love what you do. 763 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: That was made chat with Kate Hall, also known as 764 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: Ethically Kate. I just wanted to kick off the takeaways 765 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: that I got from the episode. I just love the 766 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 1: rituals that she's got with her family, the sort of traditions, 767 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: for example, that upside down Thursday. I know that may 768 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 1: not be Rod's cup of tea. But for me, I 769 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 1: get it like it's just something different that you do 770 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: once a week and it just gives you that perspective shift. 771 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: And even if you are almost falling off the bed, 772 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: I think that's such a cool way of just getting 773 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 1: out of your everyday routine and mixing it up, and 774 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,799 Speaker 1: I can see how that would give you fresh insights 775 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 1: and fresh perspectives. I love that. I also thought a 776 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 1: crucial takeaway from that in terms of sustainability was the 777 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: importance of why. When it comes to your sustainable journey. 778 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,800 Speaker 1: If you don't know your why, there's no point and 779 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,719 Speaker 1: everyone's why, we'll look a little bit different. There'll be 780 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 1: different things that motivate people to do things for the planet. 781 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: But if you just are going loosely for looking after 782 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 1: the planet, that's that's not going to necessarily motivate you. 783 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,240 Speaker 1: You need to find a specific issue that gets you excited, 784 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:40,360 Speaker 1: and sustainability I just love the refresher that sustainability needs 785 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,920 Speaker 1: to be sustainable, something that you can actually keep up 786 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 1: and something that you get excited about. I love the 787 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: term that she uses joy bringer and just finding those 788 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,479 Speaker 1: moments of joy where you can and opening yourself up 789 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: for those opportunities of joy. We just close ourselves off 790 00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 1: and we don't even realize. You know, she lives near 791 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,880 Speaker 1: the beach. That is obviously what keeps us saying she 792 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 1: swims all year round, brilliant. Yes, you may not live 793 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 1: near the beach, but we all, particularly here in New Zealand, 794 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: are so privileged with the gorgeous nature that we have 795 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: so close to us. So it's just about getting outside 796 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: and really connecting, taking your shoes off, getting in touch 797 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 1: with the mother nature. And also I really liked the 798 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 1: phone hygiene chat and being really conscious of having a 799 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: couple of hours off that I am really feeling the 800 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: negative affixing my phone. The last few months, I've just 801 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,880 Speaker 1: felt so overwhelmed by it. And it's because I'm not 802 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,120 Speaker 1: having that discipline. I'll find that I'm in bed scrolling, 803 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,440 Speaker 1: I'm on the couch scrolling market place on Facebook keeps 804 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,200 Speaker 1: pulling me in and I'm like, no, I just need it, 805 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,239 Speaker 1: and then I'm like, no, it's the dopamine hat I 806 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,920 Speaker 1: am actually hooked. So being really strict on there, and 807 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,760 Speaker 1: I think observing how you feel when you pull yourself 808 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: away from those habits is probably a really powerful thing 809 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,400 Speaker 1: to do because you realize how much it's actually missing 810 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 1: with your mental health. So that was some of my 811 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: main takeaways that I got from Kate this week. I'd 812 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,680 Speaker 1: love to know what you got from the chat, and 813 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,359 Speaker 1: I'd also love to know who you'd love to hear 814 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,879 Speaker 1: from on future episodes. You can always get in touch 815 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,399 Speaker 1: with me on Instagram at pj DJ and I'll see 816 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: you next week for another episode.