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Speaker 2: That's get busy.

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Speaker 1: Decided about our guest today, Keptain Grant Walker speaking a pilot.

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Speaker 1: He joined the Air Force and his seventeen and he's

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Speaker 1: just retired from flying seven three seven seven six seven

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Speaker 1: A three twenty seven four seven seven eight sevens and

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Speaker 1: seven seven sevens. Yeah, sopped up twenty five thousand flying hours.

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Speaker 1: About a month ago, I think I shared a story.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I shouldn't on the podcast. I

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Speaker 1: definitely would have on the Highlights podcast.

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Speaker 3: But I went to the States and flying home, and

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Speaker 3: as we were about to come in to land, the

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Speaker 3: hostess got on the mic and said, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 3: this is a very special day for in New Zealand

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Speaker 3: because Captain Grant Walker, who you just heard speaking to

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Speaker 3: you there, is retiring. This is his last flight, this

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Speaker 3: is his last landing, and he's been flying with us

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Speaker 3: for twenty five years or was it twenty.

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Speaker 4: Five thousand hours? I can't remember, twenty five thousand hours.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's been flying since he was a teenager. Amazing,

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Speaker 1: isn't he. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So in terms of questions, though, can I just can

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Speaker 5: we just brainstorm a couple off?

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Speaker 1: That's all right?

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Speaker 5: Sure, I was thinking maybe I'd like to know if

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Speaker 5: you had fucked up the last one? But have you

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Speaker 5: gone one more?

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Speaker 4: Often?

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Speaker 5: Think that's about people who like retire early before a

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Speaker 5: game in sports matches if they get a duck or

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Speaker 5: something like that, And well, not that kind of bad.

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Speaker 4: But what about just what about go backwards? Matched? What

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Speaker 4: about have you ever crashed a plane? Have you ever.

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Speaker 5: Have you ever died crashing a plane? Well, that's not

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Speaker 5: going to make a lot of sense toiary.

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Speaker 1: Well, you don't know. With some people that think that

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Speaker 1: we all died, and I know two people that both

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Speaker 1: have have suggested me that we all died in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty in this and the Wads, And why the world

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Speaker 1: feels all off kilter at the moment is that we're

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Speaker 1: all living in a simulation that was fired up. So

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Speaker 1: the jab went into our arms. We all died and

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Speaker 1: we became a simulation. Here.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I've died. He flew a fuck a

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Speaker 4: fuck of friendship. I want to ask him about the

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Speaker 4: fuck of friendships.

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Speaker 5: So you see this on the radio show this morning,

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Speaker 5: and I didn't really you know, want to ask exactly

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Speaker 5: what a fuck of friendship is?

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Speaker 4: But what is fun?

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Speaker 3: It's a fuck of friendship. It's like a it was

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Speaker 3: like the ATR before the ATRS. It was like a

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Speaker 4: And I spell on fucking friendship. If you see k.

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Speaker 1: He fly the DoD he fly the bombardiers.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he did fly the bombardiers. I

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Speaker 3: to the bombardiers they came about. I think he was

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Speaker 3: probably in A seven eight seven before that. But I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's flying everything. Yeah, there's nothing, there's nothing that What

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Speaker 3: does he love? Captain Grant Walker speaking, Well, that's a

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Speaker 3: good question. You should ask him that first. Were do

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Speaker 1: Because I was I was once staying at a vineyard

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Speaker 1: with the mother of my children and the woman said

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Speaker 1: of the country and she she was making us breakfast.

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Speaker 4: Okay, have you ever made breakfast?

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Speaker 1: No, I'll be like, do you We'll find out there

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Speaker 1: he is. Now, that's Captain Gruntwalk.

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Speaker 4: Please come on. So should we take a break and

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Speaker 4: come back?

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Speaker 1: We're welcome.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, we'll take a break and come back,

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Speaker 4: Captain Grunt. That all right, and we're back.

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Speaker 3: I want to check your headphones on there. Spent a

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Speaker 1: equipment there. That's because because of a pilot and a professional,

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Well, I guess we sort of do that sort

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is Captain Grant Walker retired in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Captain and I was just saying earlier Grant that I

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Speaker 3: was on a flight coming back from.

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Speaker 4: San Francisco, and as.

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Speaker 3: We as we came into land, you you'd said, you know,

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Speaker 3: the the weather conditions, et cetera, et cetera, and thank

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Speaker 3: everybody for me on the flight. And then the and

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Speaker 3: then the air crew headed the air crew came on

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Speaker 3: and this is Captain Grant Walker's last flight, twenty five

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Speaker 3: thousand flying hours. And there was a round of applause

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Speaker 3: that went down the down the plane. It was a

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Speaker 3: and I had I had been on a flight before

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Speaker 3: with you, because I remembered your name because there was,

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Speaker 3: of course the famous voiceover artist Kraft Walker speaking, and

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Speaker 3: you had great pipes, and I noticed that you had

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Speaker 3: particularly a particularly smooth, souding voice.

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Speaker 6: Okay, well, I appreciate that, Jurrey from an icon of

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Speaker 6: the broadcasting community.

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Speaker 1: Is that a big part of it when you you know,

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Speaker 1: as a pilot your voice over the over the mic,

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Speaker 1: you've got to you've got to make people feel comfortable

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Speaker 1: and secure and safe, but also on them.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess it is, Matte. It's something we don't

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Speaker 6: really I mean, there's not a lot of training for

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Speaker 6: I spent a big part of my career based out

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Speaker 6: thought it was pretty important to try and inspire comments

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Speaker 1: I think I can't give too much information. I've been

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Speaker 1: was saying, we've had a software assume, and we've had

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Speaker 1: and we've also got some sick people on the plane,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, just tell me that we're delayed.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't because I don't understand the software issue. No,

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Speaker 1: but I don't want to hear that there has been one. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a tricky one. Obviously, we do a lot of

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Speaker 6: I mean it's just continual. I always say to people,

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Speaker 6: being a pilots that never leaving school because you're you're

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Speaker 6: always been tested and trained. Like in New Zealand, you know,

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Speaker 6: we're in the simulator every six month months for two

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Speaker 6: So if they simulate an emergency, you know, we go

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Speaker 6: hear the PA to the passengers, the briefing to the

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Speaker 6: don't tell lies is obviously the first thing, But don't

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Speaker 6: ten or fifteen percent of people on an aeroplane shitting themselves,

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Speaker 6: let's be honest about flying, and probably think they're going

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Speaker 6: to die just about every time they get airborne. They

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Speaker 6: don't realize most of us pilots actually cow something if

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Speaker 1: I want to cow it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah right, and we've all got wife and kids and

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Speaker 3: But I've noticed there's definitely a trend grant now amongst

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Speaker 6: A few bumps you go too, Yeah, yeah, a few

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Speaker 6: all the metterolog just to be getting excited from talking

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Speaker 6: sort of go here, right. You know, I can probably

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Speaker 6: somewhere it's been perfectly smooth.

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Speaker 4: The ways so that's.

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Speaker 3: Right, pretty rare of these tingyah and oftentimes as well

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Speaker 3: with that particular flight. You're right, man, is bumpy going

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Speaker 3: middle of the night, and I've noticed there's a different

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess it's totally different type of turbulence you're experiencing,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, the first time is you do it free

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Speaker 6: I don't think I'm cut out your pilot. So that

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Speaker 3: I'm just looking at at the planes that you've flown here.

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Speaker 3: The fuck of friendship?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think I don't know why that that

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Speaker 4: Right of friendship which I've been on. Actually that the

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Speaker 6: To fly, didn't they, Yeah, something similar Hawkidy seven for eight.

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Speaker 4: Right name the friendship was the Foger Friendship kind of

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Speaker 1: It was just beautiful.

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Speaker 6: I mean it wasn't particularly fast in the cruise, but

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Speaker 6: It was great. Oh yeah, not my favorite aeroplane, but it.

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Speaker 6: I enjoyed the seven six.

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Speaker 6: Hey, they're both good, good aeroplanes. They're quite different philosophies,

435
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,400
Speaker 6: and some people struggle moving from one to the other

436
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 6: because it's it's sort of you know, you're flying an aeroplane,

437
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 6: but it's quite different philosophies. Really, Airbus very very clever,

438
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 6: very smart. The A three fifty looks an amazing aeroplane.

439
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 6: I mean I did a number of years on the

440
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 6: seven eight, which is obviously Boeing's sort of latest machinery,

441
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 6: and it's a smart airplane. I believe the A three

442
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 6: fifty is sort of light years ahead. But yeah, I

443
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 6: mean it's a bit like cars. You know, whatever you have,

444
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,880
Speaker 6: you you sort of say one that's that's great. But yeah,

445
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 6: I'm I'm I was happy to fly both. It was

446
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 6: nice to fly, you know, the airbus.

447
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 3: I would have thought that though, of all the planes

448
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,400
Speaker 3: that you'd fly, seven four seven would I mean, they

449
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 3: are a great machine.

450
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 6: Everyone that flew the seven four loved it. It just

451
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 6: did everything so well. I mean it was a pretty

452
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 6: aeroplane too, but it just you know, the cabin crew

453
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 6: loved working on it. It was and it was beautifully

454
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 6: set up for long haul flying, you know, like from

455
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 6: our point of view, selfish point of view as pilots

456
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 6: like rest and whatever. We had two bunks straight and

457
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 6: behind the flight deck and then we went through the

458
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 6: other door into an area with two business class seats

459
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 6: and our own toilet, you know, and it was great,

460
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 6: it was. It was beautifully set up, whereas on the

461
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,360
Speaker 6: Triple seven the seven eight you're fighting for the loo

462
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 6: with a la passengers and what which is it? Yeah,

463
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 6: you know, and then of course I always find it amazing,

464
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 6: you know, you're in an aeroplane with you know, three

465
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:25,239
Speaker 6: hundred and fifty other people, and people sort of they

466
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 6: don't seem to be aware that, you know, that this

467
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 6: is not their home and they have to maybe share

468
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 6: the bathroom other people, and you know you've come out

469
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 6: through you know, you've sort of sitting there, I need

470
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 6: to go to the loom. With all the security protocols

471
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 6: since nine to eleven, you know, it's not just a matter.

472
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 6: In the old days, we just sort of said to

473
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 6: the other I'm just going back to Lee. Yeah, sure,

474
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 6: you know, went back. Now you know we're sitting behind

475
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,199
Speaker 6: a bomb proof, bulletproof door. So the protocol we have

476
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 6: to ring you know, the front galley, get a flight

477
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 6: attend and say, oh, look, you know I need to

478
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 6: go to the loop whatever, and they go again grant.

479
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 6: But then you know, and then then they they had

480
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 6: to you know, they come up. We watch them on

481
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 6: the camera to make sure you know that there's no

482
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 6: one going to burst them behind them, and we unlocked

483
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 6: their triple locked door and they come in and sit

484
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 6: there and then you go out, and then of course,

485
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 6: normally as you step out through the door, someone's normally

486
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 6: just going into the loop, and then it's one of

487
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 6: those people that's decided to go in there before they

488
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 6: jump in their business class bunk and strip off to

489
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 6: the waist and wash themselves down and get their PJS

490
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 6: on and strip off their makeup and you're sitting there like,

491
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 6: oh god.

492
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's two of them going there at once.

493
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, the call with the call button going all the time.

494
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 3: So seven four would be you would be your favorite.

495
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: And also they just they just handle the bumps so nice.

496
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

497
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's so big and so heavy. I

498
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 6: mean in turbulance whatever, they just sort of plowed through.

499
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 6: The beautiful aeroplane to land was you had to work

500
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 6: hard to a crash a seven four on the ground,

501
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 6: and because you had eighteen wheels to sort of absorb

502
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 6: all the impact. So it was a lovely airplane.

503
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, you never flew an eighth eighty.

504
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 6: No, and you said, I've never operated the A three

505
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 6: eighty the I mean we had the seven four, and

506
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 6: about the time the three eighty, I think most airlines

507
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 6: were coming to conclusion that four engine just didn't really

508
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 6: stack up economically as fuel prices were climbing through the roof.

509
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,479
Speaker 6: So I don't I don't think any airlines ever made

510
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 6: a dollar out of there. I mean I've never actually

511
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 6: been on one, which sounds a bit sad, but they

512
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 6: are bag yeah, well they are, but everyone says they're

513
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 6: lovely to fly. I'm very quiet, and I'm sure they are,

514
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 6: but yeah, I've never actually been on one, so I

515
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 6: have to put that on my sort of retirement list

516
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 6: of things to do.

517
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what happens when you're retired and you've flyn

518
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 3: for twenty five thousand hours and then you you know,

519
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 3: I guess I'm what I want to ask, is is

520
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 3: flying a completely different experience for you?

521
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 4: Like, is the zero join it?

522
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 3: Because the whole time you're thinking, you're going through checklists

523
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 3: of things yourself when you're flying as a passenger.

524
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, it well, it was not quite like that. I mean,

525
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 6: you know, twelve or fourteen hours side, you'd be a

526
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 6: mental and physical records like that. It's sort of described

527
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 6: as you know, it's sort of ninety percent boredom and

528
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 6: ten percent terror. Obviously, long haul fly you've got the

529
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 6: real busy bits at the beginning and the busy bits

530
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 6: at the end, and then sort of long periods of

531
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 6: not a lot happening in the middle. But saying that

532
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 6: there's always something to do. We're not sitting there sort

533
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 6: of playing I Spy for ten hours in the middle

534
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 6: of flight. I mean, there's always something to do with

535
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 6: you know, checking whether it's on route holt and it's

536
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:32,959
Speaker 6: monitoring systems moving fuel around. Invariably there's there's you know,

537
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 6: issues with passengers down the back, or there's always something

538
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 6: going on, you know. And then then of course on

539
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 6: long haul flights, there's normally three of us on the

540
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 6: longer haul flights four of us, so you know you're

541
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 6: changing over and going to rest in this hand over briefing,

542
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 6: so there's always sort of something going on. But yeah, look,

543
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 6: it's been a month since I retired. I think what

544
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 6: I'm missing most at the stage is the people that

545
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 6: you know, I've met and flying with and work with

546
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 6: over the years. But bouncing across the Pacific in the

547
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 6: middle of the night, I can't say I'm really missing that.

548
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 1: How many But you talk about the people, how many

549
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: people are in a flight crew that can you know,

550
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: actually fly the plane on an international show.

551
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 6: Okay, well, I mean I can only talk free in

552
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 6: New Zealand obviously, But on a trip with like a

553
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 6: normal long haul trip like going up to San Fran

554
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 6: or Rally, it depends a bit on how many Knights

555
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 6: are staying up there, Like to go to San fran

556
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 6: If we were staying there for one night, so it's

557
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 6: sort of minimum rest. They would have four pilots that

558
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 6: of normally be a captain, a first officer, and two

559
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 6: second officers. And if it was a couple of nights,

560
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 6: they'd probably just be three of us. First officer, captain,

561
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 6: first officer, and second officer. So everyone's trained. I mean,

562
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 6: they're all trained pilots. Not all airlines have second officers,

563
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 6: so they like sort of cheap labor. They've all qualified pilots.

564
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 6: Most of them have come from the link, you know, airlines,

565
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 6: so they experienced people. But the second officers, the rules

566
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 6: for us are they can only sit in an operating

567
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 6: seat above twenty thousand feet. They can't be in the

568
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 6: seat for the takeoff and landing. But saying that, they

569
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 6: trained in the simulator, so they go in the sim

570
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 6: more frequently than the rest of us. I think they

571
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 6: go in every three months and they'll do what they

572
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 6: call handling sims. Well, they'll get to land the simulator

573
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 6: and take off and do all that sort of thing.

574
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 6: So the idea being of something happens to me, you know,

575
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 6: being elderly and on my last legs, you know, pop

576
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 6: my clogs whatever like that, you know, they sort of

577
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 6: wheel me out and they throw the second officer in

578
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 6: the seat, and you know they are quite capable of landing.

579
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 6: There may not be pretty, but that they perfectly acceptable jobs.

580
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: But it's not a situation where you'd use a landing

581
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: for training at all. So you not the second officers, No, no, no.

582
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: But so you said, there's a captain and then there's

583
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: a first officer. Yeah, so sometimes you let the first

584
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: officer land the plane.

585
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 6: Oh no, most of it. I mean, like on a

586
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 6: like a standard sort of duty on the Triple seven

587
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 6: going up to like fan fram we bought during me

588
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 6: back from I mean for a duty like that. When

589
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 6: we fronted up at flight planning in Auckland, I'd normally

590
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 6: say to the first officer do you want to fly

591
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 6: up this triple or fly home? And give them a choice. So, yeah,

592
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 6: it's not like, you know, the captain does it all.

593
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 6: And you know, one day when when the first officer

594
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 6: is ready to you know, get us come onto wel congratulation.

595
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 6: Now you know there's your chance to show us, you know,

596
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 6: whether you whether you've paid any attention over the last

597
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 6: fifteen years. I mean, yeah, we swap it around. I

598
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 6: mean you know, the role of captain's really just to

599
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 6: you know, yes, it's like a management role really, so

600
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, off and on. I mean I know

601
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 6: when I first went to the Triple seven, I mean

602
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 6: I was flying with first officers who had been on

603
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 6: that particular airplane, but you know, seven or eight years,

604
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 6: so they were vastly experienced. You you know, so going

605
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 6: somewhere like, hey mate, you know, I haven't been in

606
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 6: here for a few years whatever, like, you know, tell me,

607
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 6: you give me a few time. I mean, you know,

608
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 6: you rely on them, and then they fly the airplane

609
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 6: very well, often better than we do.

610
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 4: Do you have a death on the flight.

611
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: Over the specific you're flying over it's got halfway to

612
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: New Zealand and someone pops.

613
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 6: Their clogs, Yeah, it's I mean, we were prepared for it.

614
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 6: We do carry kits on board to deal with that.

615
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 6: I mean, it does happen. Most of the in flight

616
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 6: incidents that.

617
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: We have these days.

618
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 6: I think about eighty to ninety percent are in flight

619
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 6: medical emergency. When the airplanes are ulter reliable, the chances

620
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 6: are going something wrong. I mean, we will have little

621
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 6: niggly things happen, but there's so much redundancy built into aeroplanes.

622
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 6: You know, I've got triple hydraulic systems, you know, a

623
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 6: whole lot of electrical system backup systems, So even if

624
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 6: you know some system goes down, it's not really a

625
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 6: major problem. But most of the issues we have these

626
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 6: days are medical issues. But no, I don't know, I

627
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 6: don't really I don't think I've ever ever I mean

628
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 6: I've had, you know, obviously, you know, people that are

629
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 6: get unwell, and I've had a couple of medical diversions.

630
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 4: But anyone had the roof or anything like that, Like.

631
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 6: No, Well, I mean I always you know, you hear

632
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 6: these incidents where where people get really badly injured in turbulence,

633
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 6: and as a pilot, I mean, the only time I

634
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 6: would ever undo my seat belt is to get up

635
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 6: and go to rest or go to the loo. I mean,

636
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 6: I still can't believe that there's people that when the

637
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 6: seat belts I and go off, you know, actually undo

638
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 6: their seat belts. I mean, hey, you know, if I'm

639
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 6: if I'm a passion down the back, you know, I'm

640
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 6: I suppose being a piled on sort of safety conscious.

641
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 6: I mean, I never take my shoes off until I

642
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 6: know up through about ten thousand ft because you know,

643
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 6: i'd sort of know that they have something bad happened

644
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 6: and I had to sort of, you know, leave the

645
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 6: aeroplane and hurrying being in bear feet and your socks.

646
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 6: Not that I'll be sitting in bear feet, but you

647
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 6: know that that wouldn't be it, you know, I mean,

648
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 6: that's not going to be a good lock. So I'll

649
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 6: leave my shoes on whatever. But yeah, I guess I'm

650
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 6: a bit weird like that. Yeah, No, it's yeah, it's yes,

651
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 6: it's strange thing really, yeah, is a medical thing.

652
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: Who makes a decision because we we just had a

653
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: story in the show today and the about a plane

654
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: that was turned around because it was a drunk person

655
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: misbehaving and there it was, I think it was a

656
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: Jetstar flight out of Australia. I'm sure they will go

657
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: who makes that decision? Because you've got of course, they've

658
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: got the flight crew, you've got Stewart's and they're at

659
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: the cold face of it. And then they come through

660
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: and say you've got to call.

661
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 6: Them flight attendants now mate to get told of Well, well,

662
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 6: obviously a security thing. I mean we we you know,

663
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 6: with SAT phones we can talk to head office from

664
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 6: anywhere in the world. So the protocols for us, and

665
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 6: I said, I command you talk for you a new

666
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 6: thing like medical. So if you have a medical on board,

667
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 6: all our capin crew are obviously first aid trains, so

668
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 6: that that's good. And a lot of them been around,

669
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 6: a lot of them are ex nurses and whatever, so

670
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 6: fair amount of experience there. And then of course the

671
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 6: next thing, if they think it's serious, you'll hear them

672
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 6: paging for a doctor, because you know, on a on

673
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 6: an aeroplane like the Triple seven with three hundred plus passengers,

674
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 6: the likelihood of a doctor or a paramedical or something

675
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 6: is pretty high. Whether they're prepared to put the hand

676
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 6: up or not can be the CAVIN crew are told.

677
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: To someone they told friend they're a doctor, when they're not.

678
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I'm a doctor

679
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 6: of philosophy. So anyway, so we'll try and then but

680
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 6: part of the protocol is we're not supposed to divert.

681
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 6: So there's a we have an organization that we contract

682
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 6: to where if we have a medical so we will

683
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 6: neven normally get a call up the front of the

684
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 6: light attends. Look, we've got someone who's collapsed down the

685
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 6: back head whatever. So then they have a form that

686
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 6: they fill in with the passengers, you know, their seat number,

687
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 6: their age, and the initial details. We'll get on the

688
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 6: SAT phone and call up this this outside provider and

689
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 6: just say, hey, look, this is you know, New Zealand

690
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 6: eight whatever. We're takingly along here and we've got this issue.

691
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 6: So we give them that initial information and then the

692
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 6: call taker then you know, sort of does a quick

693
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 6: appraisal and then they will they basically have doctors on calls.

694
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 6: It might be well, our last provider was based in

695
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 6: the US, the new, newer one is based in Australia.

696
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 6: So then you know, a couple of minutes later you'll

697
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 6: have you know, doctor Mattle pop up. There can impair

698
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 6: the game, you know what you got there, and so

699
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 6: you will sort of go yeah, and and with all

700
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 6: this information, they know the aircraft type, they know about

701
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 6: all the medical equipment. Were like, we've got we've got

702
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 6: a pretty good setup of stuff on board and dep

703
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 6: fibrillators and stuff like that, and a whole lot of

704
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 6: you know, medications and things. So they might go yep, okay,

705
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 6: well we're sort of thinking that this could be the case,

706
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 6: and maybe the doctor on board is given there obviously

707
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 6: you know, diagnosis, and then they might say, okay, we

708
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 6: recommend that you give them this, that and the other

709
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 6: and then and then then a lot often so what's

710
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 6: your nearest diversion airfield? So you might say we're going

711
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 6: past Guam or something like heading up the east or something,

712
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 6: or well like heading up to the US maybe you know,

713
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 6: Tahiti or Hawaii or something, and then they might say, okay, well,

714
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 6: our assessment is you need to divert there, so we

715
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 6: don't just go a look, you know, they've keeled over

716
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 6: and not looking well, you know, woulden might a couple

717
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 6: of nights and go there, because company don't really like

718
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 6: that very much. So yeah, we our protocol is that

719
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 6: that that we basically get there, say so before we divert,

720
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 6: because it becomes a major issue. I mean, you know,

721
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 6: not only I mean you're diverting in there, which is

722
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 6: a big deal. One of the side effects that you

723
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 6: can't just sort of kick them out and keep going.

724
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 6: We have duty time limitations, so it could be we've

725
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 6: diverted in there by the time the paramedics have got

726
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 6: them off. It's like, well, now we're running out of

727
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 6: duty time to get to la or San Franz, so

728
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 6: we're now stuck here. So you've got three hundred and

729
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 6: fifty people that thought they were going to San fran

730
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 6: and suddenly they're in Honolulu. And yeah, it's so it's

731
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 6: a big it's a big deal.

732
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: Because because recently, there was that last year or not

733
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: that recently, but there was those flights out to New

734
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: York and if I remember rightly, they got very close.

735
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: There were a few hours out from New York and

736
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: then there was a problem with the gate and everyone's going, well,

737
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: why don't you just land in Chicago, But it doesn't

738
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: work like that. They had to turn around and come

739
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: all the way back.

740
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 6: Yeah. Well yeah, I mean every case is that I

741
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 6: did the second of a flight out of New York

742
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 6: when I was just before I left the seven eight.

743
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 6: I mean, it's a long way. Yeah, there's issues like

744
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 6: that that have to be managed, and of course, you know,

745
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 6: I mean, as the captain, obviously you have an input,

746
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 6: but but something like that, I mean, you know, I

747
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 6: see there was one the other day, I think they

748
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 6: were going to Singapore or something, and had so Mihoe

749
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 6: around about Sydney and then came back and of course

750
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 6: all the keyboard warriors, who what are they going to

751
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 6: get a pict from Sydney, you know? And but but

752
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 6: what would happen in that case? You know what once

753
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 6: you've maybe dealt with the initial sort of issue, you know,

754
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 6: you be on the SAT phone like engineering and so

755
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 6: what we've got this whatever, and they'd be looking at well, okay,

756
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 6: you know, is this easily fixed by you lobbing into Sydney,

757
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 6: say or whatever. And they might contact our provider there

758
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 6: and say, hey, this we think this you have you

759
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 6: got the parts? Well, no we haven't, or yes we

760
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 6: have or whatever, and and for managing passengers and crew

761
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 6: and whatever. So it's it's not just a simple matter.

762
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 6: And so I'll go on land somewhere and call call

763
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 6: up you know, Joe's garrange and comes up there with

764
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 6: you know, lit of screwdriver and fixes it. So it

765
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 6: becomes a major logistical exercise for the company to manage.

766
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a couple of couple of quick things before

767
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 3: we before we wrap up. Firstly, the hardest airport to

768
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 3: land in New Zealand.

769
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 6: Well, obviously I was based in Wellington. I got pretty

770
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 6: good at I suppose I was there for years. Well

771
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 6: Wellington is you know, has a lot of wind there obviously,

772
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 6: and it's quite challenging. Queenstown. It can be very challenging

773
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 6: because it's in the mountain. One of the places I'm

774
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 6: you know, always was on edge was Dunedin because Dunedan

775
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 6: can suck you in because your beautiful sunny day with

776
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 6: five knots of wind on the ground, but there's a

777
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 6: howling westerly going over the top and the aeroplane just

778
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 6: you know, like really good. But yeah, yeah, so right, yeah, yeah,

779
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 6: and it's yeah, we've had some pretty wild rides in there.

780
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,959
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's hard to say, but yeah, I guess

781
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 6: Wellington would be right up. Didn't really I didn't api

782
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 6: on the friendship a million years ago, Yeah, nope, didn't

783
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 6: really to remember it being an old friendship going up

784
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 6: on the leeward side of the sort of terror rus

785
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 6: and Rhins used to get some pretty wild bouncing away

786
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 6: up there.

787
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 3: Part of it I mentioned in New Zealand, we've got

788
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 3: some we've got a lot of wind, yeah, New Zealand.

789
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 4: So when these sort of a place in.

790
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 6: Mountains effect, it does, it does.

791
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we don't have to deal with some of

792
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 3: the things that I always imagine they've deal with. Say

793
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 3: you're flying out of Canada where you've got snow, and

794
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: that's a whole nother word.

795
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's it's something that we obviously, we we

796
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 6: have provisioned for and you know, we deal with it

797
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 6: a bit in various places. I mean, obviously were going

798
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 6: to Vancouver. But yeah, like dealing with snow and ice, Yeah,

799
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 6: it's not it's not an area that we do a

800
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 6: lot of and our procedures are quite cumbersome there. I know,

801
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 6: with training guys into Vancouver and they say, oh, you know,

802
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 6: because like this protocols, when do you think it should

803
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 6: be de icing? And I look, hey, you know, I'm

804
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 6: I'm a pretty simple sort of person, so I like

805
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 6: to keep things simple. My attitude is, look at what

806
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 6: the local operators are doing. If the local operators are

807
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 6: de icing, then yeah, they're the experts. They do this

808
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 6: on a daily basis, so that if the de icing

809
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 6: and whatever, then that's probably a good idea.

810
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 4: To do it.

811
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 3: I've been de iced out of Vancouver before and it's

812
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 3: quite a process. It's quite quite cool.

813
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean, hey, church it's it's not uncommon obviously,

814
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 6: frost and stuff like that to cause I was.

815
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: Flying out of Tamaru once and the pilot got a

816
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: kettle out and was pouring that on thelens.

817
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 6: It's on the wing, I feel about.

818
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: That was water on there to the ice, and there

819
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: was a there was a there wasn't even a what's

820
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: the one smaller than a bombardier that we fly Q three?

821
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: Well three under the bomb bomb like smaller than that, Well,

822
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: we used to we used to do three four. Yeah,

823
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: I remember doing a chart.

824
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 6: We did a lot of charters of the Japanese a

825
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 6: few years ago, and I did a flight into Sapporo

826
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 6: where I mean it's snow and ice for about three

827
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 6: months of the year, and yeah, like that was amazing.

828
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 6: We land in this huge snow drifts, you know, piled

829
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 6: up on both sides of the runway, and yeah, there

830
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 6: was spectacular. And then it was my leg I think

831
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 6: I was first off in those days, and it was

832
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 6: my league flying in there, and it was like getting

833
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 6: it when it was snowing, we think, okay, right, you know,

834
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 6: and then like it said, breaking actually on the runway

835
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 6: was good. It's a breaking action on taxiways nil. I thought,

836
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 6: what the hell? And as I as I came into

837
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 6: the terminal I was thinking about, you know, about half

838
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 6: a kilometer prower. I had this vision of like flying high,

839
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 6: putting my ft on the brakes and go into the

840
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 6: terminal building. But of course it stopped because the whole

841
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 6: aproniary was a wash and de icing for it, and

842
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 6: they had make a huge car wash thing. When the

843
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 6: d iced aeroplane, this huge gantry just went out. The

844
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 6: whole aeroplane did the whole seven six and about two

845
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 6: minutes flat. I mean it was amazing.

846
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: But do you know some of the other pilot do

847
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: you know, are you familiar with Captain Scott Buttery talk

848
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: about it before me great ATR pilot, I mean drives

849
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: it rams it in like a tent pole, especially around Napier.

850
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: But what about I'm pretty sure I was on a

851
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: flight into Fiji in New Zealand flight and the pilot

852
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: was Captain David Bowie. Is there a David Bowie looking

853
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,479
Speaker 1: for New Zealand? Or was a little more aware again

854
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: or I was just asked I might have imagine that

855
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: one there was a pilot with a sense of humor.

856
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 3: Captain Grant walk thank you so much for coming in

857
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: great to chat to you, and congratulations on what was

858
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: a sterling career. Phenomenal flying all of those flying all

859
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: of those planes and flying safely for that period of

860
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 3: time and I mean no incidence.

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Speaker 4: It's it's quite remarkable. So thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Free flights forever for you.

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Speaker 6: No, it doesn't work that well. I mean it's a

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Speaker 6: great News New Zealand, your news on a great egalitarian

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Speaker 6: and things. So you're the same rules supply, no matter

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Speaker 6: what role. So no, I don't know. Someone said that

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Speaker 6: to me. Do you get free flights on? No? No,

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Speaker 6: don't sorry, I mean you get cheaper flights maybe as

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Speaker 6: a retired person employeer. I think you've got to do

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Speaker 6: at least twenty years, which obviously I have, and then

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Speaker 6: you know the retired thing kicks and but you're pretty

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Speaker 6: low priority.

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Speaker 4: So the points, what are you got?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 6: I was when I was commuting out of Wellington, but

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Speaker 6: now that I don't, he's not getting the point for

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Speaker 6: flying the air I always jopen you go to the

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Speaker 6: souping or somewhere in the side. Do you want the

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Speaker 6: airpoints are? Like, I'm in a free flight, what's option be?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 4: Thanks for coming.

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Speaker 6: It's been a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: There was. That's fascinating stuff. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: Great, thank you, Keptain Grant Walker.

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Speaker 4: Great news Islander and we're back. I love turning to

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Speaker 4: Captain Grant Walker speaking what.

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Speaker 1: A great news. Islander is such a secret little world.

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Speaker 1: They run there up in the cockpit and what they're

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Speaker 1: doing and what they tell us and what they're done. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you think of them as superhumans, but they've got

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Speaker 1: I thought one thing he said that was really interesting

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Speaker 1: is he you know, he doesn't want to die, so

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Speaker 1: that I mean, of course the pilot is doing everything

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Speaker 1: they can to make it all work out.

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Speaker 3: And I mean the planes nowadays are so technology is

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Speaker 3: so good. As you said, there's backups of backups of backups.

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Speaker 6: So.

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Speaker 4: There's not a lot of I mean, when was the

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Speaker 4: last time there was a major, major, excellent story.

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Speaker 1: In the New Zealand is so good. Their safety record

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Speaker 1: and you know it's great, But he would have broken

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Speaker 1: some hearts in this time. We don't old Grant water

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