WEBVTT - On The Front Foot: Options available for Southee's replacement 0:00:09.133 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said b. 0:00:12.413 --> 0:00:19.613 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 0:00:21.413 --> 0:00:26.053 Take it on the Patrick, It is out, The test 0:00:26.133 --> 0:00:33.373 is over, Smooth Beauty, it is out. 0:00:32.333 --> 0:00:33.013 And here he goes. 0:00:33.133 --> 0:00:35.013 This delivery has a new music, The. 0:00:35.093 --> 0:00:41.173 Gold on the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody, 0:00:41.493 --> 0:00:45.373 powered by News Talk, said B at iHeart Radio. 0:00:47.253 --> 0:00:50.253 Hello. A week off for the black Cats, just in 0:00:50.373 --> 0:00:53.773 time for Tim Suley's ragin as Black Cats skipper to 0:00:53.813 --> 0:00:56.933 come to an abrupt end. Little change to the team 0:00:57.013 --> 0:01:00.573 hitting for India, the White Ferns get back to winning 0:01:00.653 --> 0:01:06.133 form and a financial boost for IPL contracted players. They'll 0:01:06.173 --> 0:01:08.573 be looking forward to that. Channa's must be tough in 0:01:08.613 --> 0:01:12.813 the Indian Premier League. And Orderson's joining us this morning 0:01:12.813 --> 0:01:16.413 and he said he'd only a peer if we incorporated 0:01:16.453 --> 0:01:20.773 the no reverse sweep policy. Well, no reverse weeps here orders, 0:01:21.213 --> 0:01:23.453 so we're true. We world look. 0:01:23.253 --> 0:01:26.133 On police to hear it. Brian, It's it's really quite 0:01:27.173 --> 0:01:28.373 I guess reassuring. 0:01:28.773 --> 0:01:31.613 Yeah, because there's there's probably too many reverse sweeps out 0:01:31.653 --> 0:01:34.253 there these days. But maybe I'm being too conservative. Maybe 0:01:34.293 --> 0:01:37.373 I need to change my way of thinking. But yeah, 0:01:37.373 --> 0:01:38.973 I'll just I'll just go I'll just go for a 0:01:38.973 --> 0:01:40.853 clasic clasic cat shot instead. 0:01:41.413 --> 0:01:46.053 We're traditionalists at heart, really, aren't we. It's a lucrative 0:01:46.133 --> 0:01:50.133 form of runs, quite clearly, but it's also costly. Tom 0:01:50.133 --> 0:01:53.933 Blundell three times in the lan contests, and you know 0:01:54.013 --> 0:01:56.493 it's a matter of judgment when you're played, I guess, isn't. 0:01:56.293 --> 0:01:58.973 It It is indeed, Yeah, yeah, I mean these guys 0:01:58.973 --> 0:02:02.653 are practicing it all the time, so whereas I haven't 0:02:02.653 --> 0:02:04.573 really practiced at all, I have to say maybe I should. 0:02:07.253 --> 0:02:09.453 Well, we've been searching high lay for Jeremy Coney. He's 0:02:09.493 --> 0:02:11.213 on his way. He'll be with us in just a moment. 0:02:11.693 --> 0:02:16.973 But after two embarrassing losses, after two embarrassing losses in 0:02:17.013 --> 0:02:20.693 Sri Lanka, Tim Sowley fell on his sword, a decision 0:02:20.733 --> 0:02:22.093 that came as little surprise. 0:02:22.333 --> 0:02:25.173 Yeah, obviously a tough one, but like I've done for 0:02:25.213 --> 0:02:28.133 the last last seventeen years, is the best interest of 0:02:28.173 --> 0:02:31.453 the team, a team that I keep deeply about, so yeah, 0:02:31.493 --> 0:02:33.893 moving forward, it's it's the best decision for the team. 0:02:34.093 --> 0:02:34.293 Yeah. 0:02:34.293 --> 0:02:36.333 Well, we did discussions, was Gary, like we do at 0:02:36.693 --> 0:02:40.093 every series, and it was by decision to to move 0:02:40.093 --> 0:02:42.853 aside and it's now Tim's time to I guess, keep 0:02:42.893 --> 0:02:46.053 moving this team forward and got sixteen menses to look 0:02:46.053 --> 0:02:48.013 forward to and the anamos side about that as far 0:02:48.053 --> 0:02:50.413 as I'm concerned, And yeah, I love Test cricket. It's 0:02:50.413 --> 0:02:54.493 a game I care deeply about and I love playing 0:02:54.573 --> 0:02:56.453 so so yeah, it'll be nice to be part of 0:02:56.493 --> 0:02:58.293 those sixtiesh metches moving forward orders. 0:02:58.333 --> 0:03:01.013 He had to do it. Really, the team was not 0:03:01.173 --> 0:03:04.613 making any progress and the quality of the cricket was 0:03:05.013 --> 0:03:07.533 not the greatest. From listening to Zealand side, because there's 0:03:07.573 --> 0:03:09.573 some very good cricketers in that team. 0:03:09.613 --> 0:03:11.653 Look, I think they'll be disappointed with that tour of 0:03:11.933 --> 0:03:12.773 Sri Lanka. Brian. 0:03:12.853 --> 0:03:15.493 I think that if you're looking in the context of 0:03:15.733 --> 0:03:19.293 the World Test Championship, those were matches at least one 0:03:19.333 --> 0:03:21.253 of them that would have needed to have been one 0:03:21.293 --> 0:03:23.813 to at least have pushed New Zealand up into that 0:03:24.413 --> 0:03:26.613 top bracket if you like, with of course India and 0:03:26.613 --> 0:03:29.373 Australia out in front of the other nationril Anka, I 0:03:29.413 --> 0:03:33.213 think moving into that third spot. So it's an opportunity miss. 0:03:33.253 --> 0:03:36.653 I mean, two tests in Gaul I mean, really, they 0:03:37.093 --> 0:03:39.373 probably could have used the toss there at one stage 0:03:39.413 --> 0:03:42.613 would have been quite handy, but they've had to play 0:03:42.973 --> 0:03:45.333 to the conditions and have not done so to their 0:03:45.893 --> 0:03:47.813 utmost ability, I suppose. 0:03:47.373 --> 0:03:50.373 And I think Tim he's made the right call. 0:03:50.453 --> 0:03:53.733 Mean, whether he could be selected as one of the 0:03:53.733 --> 0:03:57.293 first names on the sheet in that series is debatable 0:03:57.813 --> 0:03:59.533 with Matt Henry there as well. 0:04:00.013 --> 0:04:02.053 And given the summer that Matt Henry had, I think, 0:04:02.053 --> 0:04:02.373 what with. 0:04:02.413 --> 0:04:05.533 Twenty three wickets at sixteen point nine five, I oh, 0:04:05.573 --> 0:04:09.133 that doesn't necessarily translate to subcontinental cans with you've got 0:04:09.653 --> 0:04:12.373 a bowler of orack standard as well who's really starting 0:04:12.373 --> 0:04:15.093 to come into his pomp. It put pressure onto him, 0:04:15.133 --> 0:04:17.693 but he's he's done, you know, the noble thing really 0:04:17.733 --> 0:04:20.453 and then at least from hearing him talk about it, 0:04:20.613 --> 0:04:23.373 et cetera, and why he's made the call, and now 0:04:23.453 --> 0:04:26.613 really he just comes down to Tom Latham and Gary 0:04:26.653 --> 0:04:29.133 stud as to whether he is selected in the team 0:04:29.373 --> 0:04:31.573 on the sub continent from here on in with the 0:04:31.613 --> 0:04:34.293 three Tests against India and of course onwards for the 0:04:34.333 --> 0:04:36.613 three Tests against England at home. 0:04:36.773 --> 0:04:38.933 So yeah, it's a it's a bit of a changing 0:04:38.933 --> 0:04:39.333 of the guard. 0:04:39.373 --> 0:04:39.533 There. 0:04:39.693 --> 0:04:43.973 Tom Latham's got the job, but who else could could 0:04:43.973 --> 0:04:45.933 have been that? There's there's not too many options there 0:04:45.973 --> 0:04:47.133 really at the moment, is there? 0:04:47.653 --> 0:04:47.813 Oh? 0:04:47.853 --> 0:04:51.773 I think Tom Latham's logical choice. You've got at less 0:04:51.773 --> 0:04:53.893 you go back to the former captain and the former 0:04:53.973 --> 0:04:56.893 came Williamson, which I don't think they're probably going to 0:04:56.893 --> 0:04:59.853 be going to do. Williamson looks like he's comfortable at 0:04:59.893 --> 0:05:02.973 the moment and looking to focus on his batting, et cetera. 0:05:04.333 --> 0:05:05.453 As he moves on. 0:05:05.973 --> 0:05:09.893 What is he thirty four? Now came Williamson. Latham has 0:05:09.933 --> 0:05:11.333 a few years back. I mean, what is he? 0:05:11.333 --> 0:05:11.613 He is? 0:05:12.013 --> 0:05:15.413 What thirty two? So he's got a few years in charge. 0:05:15.413 --> 0:05:18.093 And the seam I do hope that, you know, not 0:05:18.133 --> 0:05:21.733 too conservative, and the Latham Stead combination, I hope that 0:05:21.813 --> 0:05:26.333 they I guess, yeah, look further afield with you know, 0:05:26.373 --> 0:05:29.533 perhaps asking you know, bringing Williamson even into that senior 0:05:29.573 --> 0:05:32.173 group as you know, for his advice is the most successful. 0:05:32.493 --> 0:05:36.773 He'syaland Test captain and just I guess, trying to take 0:05:36.813 --> 0:05:38.973 it to the next level, trying to keep them in 0:05:38.973 --> 0:05:42.333 the Test Championship with these matches against India and England, 0:05:42.333 --> 0:05:44.773 which are fairly formidable task at the moment. 0:05:44.893 --> 0:05:49.333 Yeah, news flash, Orders, Jeremy Coney stood on his stumps 0:05:49.493 --> 0:05:54.253 trying to play a reverse sweep, but he's been allowed 0:05:54.293 --> 0:05:56.733 to return. Very good to have you with us, mate. 0:05:56.773 --> 0:06:00.293 We've just been talking about the choice of captain and 0:06:01.213 --> 0:06:04.373 Orders saw that there was no real option available, and 0:06:04.373 --> 0:06:06.293 I guess you probably agreed to some extent there. 0:06:06.413 --> 0:06:08.093 Yeah, high lads, simer bit late. 0:06:08.973 --> 0:06:11.173 I think a captain, first of all, must be able 0:06:11.173 --> 0:06:13.413 to hold his place in the team by dint of 0:06:13.453 --> 0:06:14.413 his performance. 0:06:14.773 --> 0:06:16.573 He's in all ways. 0:06:16.813 --> 0:06:18.413 And that's why it was a little bit odd when 0:06:18.413 --> 0:06:21.893 the coach and selector kind of said, well, he's captain, 0:06:22.133 --> 0:06:25.613 but he won't be playing all the matches. It kind 0:06:25.613 --> 0:06:28.933 of didn't sound quite right to me. Look, I didn't 0:06:28.973 --> 0:06:31.493 get the feeling he left the captaincy because of his 0:06:31.613 --> 0:06:33.333 captaincy decision making. 0:06:34.013 --> 0:06:34.933 Did you guys. 0:06:34.693 --> 0:06:36.773 Feel the same way. It wasn't anything to do with 0:06:36.853 --> 0:06:38.253 the way he was captaining the. 0:06:38.333 --> 0:06:40.573 Side, No, not at all. I thought it was more 0:06:40.613 --> 0:06:44.653 about the position of the team, Like say, Jimmy, you. 0:06:44.613 --> 0:06:46.773 Know, he might have got some ends wrong for bowlers 0:06:46.773 --> 0:06:48.893 and fielders needed adjustment and so on. 0:06:48.933 --> 0:06:51.253 But every captain's captain's guilty of that. 0:06:51.973 --> 0:06:54.653 And you know that's a case of discussing with bowlers, 0:06:54.693 --> 0:06:56.613 isn't it, either at the time or off the field. 0:06:57.093 --> 0:07:00.213 And even Tom Lathon himself said he'd have done much 0:07:00.253 --> 0:07:04.093 the same in Sri Lanka as Saudi did. So you 0:07:04.093 --> 0:07:07.253 know we're unlikely to see big changes, but you know 0:07:07.413 --> 0:07:10.253 it was Saudi's performance is a bowler on the side 0:07:10.293 --> 0:07:14.493 that has brought his place into question. When he was 0:07:14.533 --> 0:07:18.133 in his prime, he was bowling between. 0:07:17.893 --> 0:07:19.533 One hundred and thirty and one hundred. 0:07:19.253 --> 0:07:23.413 And thirty five, he swung the ball, he got wickets, 0:07:23.813 --> 0:07:27.013 whether it was LB or bold or court keeper caught slip, 0:07:27.373 --> 0:07:29.973 and he got them because he was tall and he 0:07:30.093 --> 0:07:33.613 was accurate, and the batsman couldn't get the bat out 0:07:33.653 --> 0:07:36.533 of the wage because at one hundred and thirty five 0:07:37.013 --> 0:07:41.573 it's quick enough to prevent the batsman sensing the danger 0:07:42.253 --> 0:07:45.413 and getting and pulling the bat and withdrawing it. But 0:07:45.653 --> 0:07:49.093 now while the swing is still there, while the bull's knew, 0:07:49.853 --> 0:07:52.853 it's more from the arm now because he is slower, 0:07:52.893 --> 0:07:54.693 he's one hundred and twenty six to one hundred and 0:07:54.733 --> 0:07:58.333 twenty eight, occasionally one hundred and thirty I noticed at Trilankam, 0:07:58.333 --> 0:08:02.413 but not often. So batsmen see the danger in the 0:08:02.493 --> 0:08:05.693 flight a little bit earlier and they've got time to 0:08:05.773 --> 0:08:09.173 withdraw that bat and so the keeper in the slip 0:08:09.253 --> 0:08:12.533 don't become involved as much. And then as a seemer, 0:08:13.013 --> 0:08:16.293 if he nips it back into the batsman, the batsman 0:08:16.413 --> 0:08:19.813 now you know he gets something on it. You know, 0:08:19.893 --> 0:08:22.493 he gets an inside edge or something like that and 0:08:22.533 --> 0:08:26.573 onto the pad. And so his lbw's have become less 0:08:26.613 --> 0:08:30.333 regular as well. I mean, SOUDI like any good bowlder. 0:08:30.373 --> 0:08:34.373 He's developed using the crease and confusing batsman that way, 0:08:34.413 --> 0:08:37.973 and he's tried the reverse swing. He's not quite the 0:08:38.013 --> 0:08:40.893 pace or the slingy action to really get that going. 0:08:41.413 --> 0:08:43.053 But the main issue is the lack of pace. 0:08:43.493 --> 0:08:45.413 Olders, I don't know what you think about that, but 0:08:45.973 --> 0:08:48.853 losing a weaverit of accuracy because of it. Once you 0:08:48.893 --> 0:08:51.933 lose your pace, you've got to be even more accurate 0:08:52.573 --> 0:08:56.573 and you lose a wee bit of bounce. So he's 0:08:56.653 --> 0:09:00.493 having trouble getting wickets and that's the issue. So and 0:09:00.653 --> 0:09:05.373 please everybody don't compare him to Anderson. I've heard people 0:09:05.453 --> 0:09:09.133 say that by Jimmy Bold until he was fifty five. 0:09:09.933 --> 0:09:17.333 You know, Anderson played no T twenties, no ODIs. He 0:09:17.453 --> 0:09:20.213 was paid enough to play tests only for England, so 0:09:20.253 --> 0:09:23.133 he had plenty of rest. He also had at his 0:09:23.213 --> 0:09:28.533 disposal of phalanx of support from exercise advisors to build 0:09:28.613 --> 0:09:34.813 speed and endurance and physiologists and dietitians, physiotherapists. I don't 0:09:34.853 --> 0:09:39.493 know whatever they are nowadays lie on the couch, Tim, 0:09:39.893 --> 0:09:42.373 But I mean, look, he had access to all the 0:09:42.413 --> 0:09:46.173 top people at Lufborough where the ECB have their coaching people. 0:09:46.613 --> 0:09:49.813 He could have practiced anywhere he wanted. This is James Anderson, 0:09:50.093 --> 0:09:54.453 so full resources and a voracious work ethic. Now Saudi 0:09:54.533 --> 0:09:57.853 had a bit of that, but we don't have the resources. 0:09:58.253 --> 0:10:01.213 We can't do that. I think that's a false kind 0:10:01.293 --> 0:10:04.533 of way of looking at Tim Southy's position. 0:10:04.573 --> 0:10:05.413 As he gets older. 0:10:05.493 --> 0:10:08.493 One of those resources we've got is Matt Henry. He's 0:10:08.493 --> 0:10:10.933 got to play. He should have been playing in Sri Lankash, 0:10:10.973 --> 0:10:11.253 wasn't he. 0:10:11.413 --> 0:10:11.693 Well. 0:10:11.893 --> 0:10:13.893 You could certainly argue that in hindsight, and I think 0:10:13.893 --> 0:10:16.213 that I would reflect on the fact that, just to 0:10:16.213 --> 0:10:18.053 put it in context, mean I think Southi is one 0:10:18.093 --> 0:10:22.733 of our greats but his time as Jeremy is summed up. 0:10:22.733 --> 0:10:27.213 There really is coming towards the end with the test career, 0:10:28.413 --> 0:10:33.373 and I think that Henry still has that zip about 0:10:33.453 --> 0:10:35.573 him if you like him, and we saw it over summer, 0:10:35.613 --> 0:10:37.613 as I say, with those twenty three records at sixteen 0:10:37.653 --> 0:10:40.333 point nine to five and also coming through the ranks, 0:10:40.613 --> 0:10:43.573 you know will I Rourke as well, who looked really 0:10:44.533 --> 0:10:47.853 I thought venomous at times in Sri Lanka. Ben c 0:10:48.093 --> 0:10:50.013 is coming into the reckoning two of his part of that. 0:10:50.413 --> 0:10:53.493 The party again as well, going to India, so that 0:10:53.533 --> 0:10:57.333 they do have resources in that regard. But yeah, I 0:10:57.373 --> 0:11:00.453 think that that will probably be the case from here 0:11:00.533 --> 0:11:05.093 on in Yeah, the comparison with Jimmy Anderson, yet there 0:11:05.133 --> 0:11:06.813 is no comparisons that with the. 0:11:06.733 --> 0:11:08.173 Resources that are available. 0:11:08.893 --> 0:11:12.653 But I think that I've always admired as to nacity 0:11:12.893 --> 0:11:16.173 and just because he did he never was express pace, 0:11:16.493 --> 0:11:18.373 but he just had a bit of guile about him 0:11:18.413 --> 0:11:20.813 and a bit of venom and a real hunger to 0:11:20.813 --> 0:11:23.213 get those wickets over time, and that's why you know 0:11:23.213 --> 0:11:25.933 he's going to be seeking to Sir Richard in the end. 0:11:26.813 --> 0:11:29.293 And worked so well with Bolt coming in from the 0:11:29.293 --> 0:11:33.653 other becoming the other side, you know, coming back in. Yeah, 0:11:33.693 --> 0:11:35.853 so that worked really nicely for both of them. To 0:11:35.893 --> 0:11:38.973 be fair, I know he's been an outstanding bowler. I 0:11:39.013 --> 0:11:45.053 mean three eighty two wickets is a fantastic performance from him. 0:11:45.453 --> 0:11:49.413 No one's questioning that in all these discussions, I don't think, 0:11:49.853 --> 0:11:53.093 and I think that's probably why he had to make 0:11:53.133 --> 0:11:57.293 the decision himself, had not the coach selector, I think, 0:11:57.733 --> 0:12:00.253 to be honest, and he's mad. He's made the call 0:12:00.333 --> 0:12:04.293 himself and he's right, he's right. Yeah, Well, there aren't 0:12:04.333 --> 0:12:07.293 many other center as captain decided and some one day games, 0:12:07.293 --> 0:12:07.813 hasn't he But. 0:12:07.773 --> 0:12:08.813 He's a bit like Soudy. 0:12:09.173 --> 0:12:11.773 He's not quite so certain of his position on the 0:12:11.853 --> 0:12:18.453 side either. So Mitchell, I look, will the IPL lure 0:12:18.533 --> 0:12:19.013 him away? 0:12:19.253 --> 0:12:20.133 Who knows. 0:12:21.493 --> 0:12:21.613 So? 0:12:21.853 --> 0:12:24.333 But he hasn't kept him too much, I don't think so. 0:12:24.373 --> 0:12:28.013 There aren't many other choices. It's an interesting one. 0:12:28.053 --> 0:12:28.373 Really. 0:12:29.133 --> 0:12:31.893 They all seem pretty much the same. I don't like 0:12:31.973 --> 0:12:35.413 to say it that way, but you don't feel that 0:12:35.493 --> 0:12:38.253 we're going to see anything different with Tom Lason later 0:12:38.533 --> 0:12:40.813 as captain. And I think it's a function of the 0:12:40.853 --> 0:12:42.933 majority of the group of players have been together, so 0:12:43.053 --> 0:12:46.533 long together, so many games they've played, and they think 0:12:46.653 --> 0:12:50.613 the same way about the game nowadays. Very different group 0:12:50.733 --> 0:12:55.053 when I was there, all sorts of problems, but you know, 0:12:55.333 --> 0:12:58.213 but different ways of looking at the game as well. 0:12:58.893 --> 0:13:03.253 And while it meant, you know, you had disagreement and 0:13:03.333 --> 0:13:08.453 discord at times, it was very good for receiving different ideas. 0:13:09.253 --> 0:13:13.133 At any point you could talk to somebody quietly and 0:13:13.173 --> 0:13:14.973 they'd give you an idea of how they saw the 0:13:14.973 --> 0:13:18.453 game and what should happen next. I'm not sure Layson 0:13:18.493 --> 0:13:19.893 will get that too much. 0:13:20.453 --> 0:13:23.373 Yeah. Interesting, Well, it's going to be a very little 0:13:23.453 --> 0:13:26.133 room for change for India because there's nobody playing any 0:13:26.173 --> 0:13:27.613 cricket at the moment. But I think one of the 0:13:27.733 --> 0:13:30.213 changes they're going to have to make is they're going 0:13:30.253 --> 0:13:33.653 to have to get their spin bowling options sorted out, 0:13:33.693 --> 0:13:37.173 aren't they, Because quite clearly on a turning track we 0:13:37.173 --> 0:13:39.693 weren't able to turn the ball to the extent that 0:13:39.733 --> 0:13:42.813 the Sri Lankan bowlers were the only one who was 0:13:42.933 --> 0:13:47.533 capable really was Phillips and probably should have had Bracewell 0:13:47.613 --> 0:13:50.053 then there as support. How did you see that orders? 0:13:50.333 --> 0:13:53.053 Yeah, I think you can make that argument and interesting 0:13:53.133 --> 0:13:56.533 to see how they apply that in India, whether they 0:13:56.573 --> 0:14:01.093 think that Santna will bring more their giveness experience in 0:14:01.093 --> 0:14:03.493 India with the ipl that sets over time, and whether 0:14:03.493 --> 0:14:06.293 he knows conditions well. I'm in slightly differcultse with the 0:14:07.173 --> 0:14:10.693 offspin to the He's a left arm orthodox, but I 0:14:10.733 --> 0:14:13.533 think given his experience on the sub continent and the 0:14:13.573 --> 0:14:16.813 wickets that he's taken over many years now, ajs Pttel 0:14:17.373 --> 0:14:18.373 will need to be part of that. 0:14:18.373 --> 0:14:19.293 Mix still too. 0:14:19.333 --> 0:14:21.893 But I'm in favor of continuing down the line of 0:14:21.933 --> 0:14:25.413 the three spinners for sure, if they can just to 0:14:25.773 --> 0:14:29.213 at least give them the best chance of taking those workers. 0:14:29.253 --> 0:14:32.413 If you can combine that, for argument's sake, with Iraq 0:14:32.493 --> 0:14:36.253 and Henry perhaps with the pace element and then just 0:14:37.333 --> 0:14:39.213 throw it to the spinners after that. 0:14:39.493 --> 0:14:41.453 So yeah, I mean Phillips. 0:14:41.773 --> 0:14:45.173 I Like, again, I've spoken about Saudi's tenacity and hunger. 0:14:45.853 --> 0:14:48.133 I'm loving that about Phillips as he develops more. I mean, 0:14:48.173 --> 0:14:49.933 he first came into the New Zealand team as a 0:14:49.933 --> 0:14:54.053 wicket keeper batter, but he's really developed that spin element 0:14:54.133 --> 0:14:57.133 to his game and just apparently just continues to bowl 0:14:57.453 --> 0:15:00.613 whenever he's given the opportunity, whether it's a hotel hallway 0:15:00.853 --> 0:15:02.973 or you know, I've seen him do you lunch breaks 0:15:03.373 --> 0:15:06.613 in New Zealand as well. Just never wants to have 0:15:06.693 --> 0:15:08.613 the ball out of his hand when he's in in 0:15:08.653 --> 0:15:09.093 the field. 0:15:09.253 --> 0:15:11.813 So it's it's going to be one to watch for sure. 0:15:12.333 --> 0:15:12.813 I think the. 0:15:12.853 --> 0:15:16.293 Three three seemas are still an option in India if 0:15:16.333 --> 0:15:19.133 you look at the pictures that have been there against 0:15:19.253 --> 0:15:22.173 say Bangladesh. 0:15:22.533 --> 0:15:23.613 I mean India. 0:15:23.293 --> 0:15:28.093 Themselves played three, didn't they three seemas? So it is 0:15:28.133 --> 0:15:31.333 an option that they could go with that and that 0:15:31.413 --> 0:15:35.173 they could have a slightly different balance. So it's just 0:15:35.213 --> 0:15:38.253 a question of who those three will be. They'll have 0:15:38.293 --> 0:15:41.973 to look at that pretty closely. Yeah, so that is 0:15:42.013 --> 0:15:46.293 an option for them, I think there. But spin spin 0:15:46.453 --> 0:15:49.293 is a bit of an issue, isn't it. But as 0:15:49.293 --> 0:15:52.013 I've said before, when they come back to New Zealand, 0:15:52.013 --> 0:15:54.053 they go missing. They just head to the bush and 0:15:54.093 --> 0:15:57.613 we can't find them, and so we we we play 0:15:57.693 --> 0:16:00.973 four seemas and that is not good. And so we 0:16:01.013 --> 0:16:03.933 suddenly expect them to turn up and come and win 0:16:04.013 --> 0:16:08.253 us a Test against India. You know, it's it's not 0:16:08.493 --> 0:16:10.813 going to be easy. 0:16:10.893 --> 0:16:12.693 So or in the infire. 0:16:13.613 --> 0:16:15.813 I was going to say the infamous case of Asias Pattel, 0:16:15.933 --> 0:16:18.453 get ten wickets and earnings and then don't play on 0:16:18.493 --> 0:16:19.253 your recern home. 0:16:19.813 --> 0:16:22.813 That's right, so Wads, I don't think there's a short 0:16:22.893 --> 0:16:29.053 answer to that question. It's quite a long term one, 0:16:29.093 --> 0:16:33.933 and we have to approach spin bowling slightly differently. You 0:16:34.053 --> 0:16:37.053 mentioned Bracewell. I think he's the one who will turn 0:16:37.133 --> 0:16:40.093 the ball the most. He's more of a style I 0:16:40.133 --> 0:16:43.653 think of Ajas Patel in other words, getting the ball 0:16:43.733 --> 0:16:46.133 up above the batsman's eyes and getting it to drop. 0:16:46.453 --> 0:16:50.493 He does that more than the Santana mode of sort 0:16:50.533 --> 0:16:52.533 of just being as slightly flatter as he was on 0:16:52.573 --> 0:16:57.533 the Second Test, particularly against Sri Lanka. So we need 0:16:57.573 --> 0:17:01.133 to think about that pretty closely though, because obviously their 0:17:01.213 --> 0:17:07.213 key performers in Asia and we need to stick with 0:17:07.293 --> 0:17:09.453 them a bit longer when they come back to New Zealand. 0:17:09.693 --> 0:17:13.693 I think that's a long term view, isn't it. But nevertheless, 0:17:14.173 --> 0:17:17.493 we can't just keep hoping like mad because we're going 0:17:17.493 --> 0:17:20.693 to be going through these six games, seven games in 0:17:20.733 --> 0:17:24.333 Asia in a couple of you know, a couple of 0:17:24.933 --> 0:17:28.733 iterations of this World Test Championship, so we got to 0:17:28.773 --> 0:17:30.613 prepare for those sorts of things. 0:17:31.293 --> 0:17:33.773 All. I'm interested in your take on the fact that 0:17:33.813 --> 0:17:37.693 they came home from Sri Lanka to have a bit 0:17:37.693 --> 0:17:40.893 of a rest. I know that, you know, priv at 0:17:40.893 --> 0:17:43.533 home is always important, but they don't take time off 0:17:43.533 --> 0:17:46.093 to come home. If I've got ipl contracts, they have 0:17:46.173 --> 0:17:49.333 to stay there for the full period of time. But 0:17:49.413 --> 0:17:52.693 it seems strange to me the cost of going there again. 0:17:53.053 --> 0:17:55.573 You know, you're talking two hundred and fifty thousand dollars 0:17:55.653 --> 0:17:57.933 to fly there and back again, which is the cost 0:17:57.933 --> 0:18:00.133 that New Zuland Cricket have to bear when they could 0:18:00.133 --> 0:18:03.493 have stayed for a week or so in the air 0:18:03.653 --> 0:18:07.053 and use that time to play pickup games or to 0:18:07.293 --> 0:18:10.773 you know, to settle into the Indian style. They're playing 0:18:10.813 --> 0:18:13.813 their first match at Bangalore. Be a nice place to 0:18:13.893 --> 0:18:16.413 go for a week to prepare for an Indian series, 0:18:16.413 --> 0:18:16.853 wouldn't it. 0:18:17.173 --> 0:18:19.413 Well, it's a good point you make, especially about you know, 0:18:19.413 --> 0:18:21.773 if you want to stay in contention in this World 0:18:21.853 --> 0:18:23.533 Test Championship, of course is you know, to be. 0:18:23.493 --> 0:18:26.413 A one Test series in India. 0:18:26.453 --> 0:18:29.293 So it's anomalous task already, but just to get a 0:18:29.293 --> 0:18:32.573 warm up match in or something of that nature ahead 0:18:32.613 --> 0:18:37.053 of the three tests series. But I wonder if they've 0:18:37.093 --> 0:18:38.933 done the numbers or maybe it just came down to 0:18:38.933 --> 0:18:42.413 a cost situation with accommodation et cetera as well, or 0:18:42.813 --> 0:18:45.653 whether they I mean they're massive on the family elements 0:18:45.893 --> 0:18:48.573 in the team, whether they thought by bringing them home 0:18:48.613 --> 0:18:52.133 that would be an appropriate break before going back for 0:18:52.173 --> 0:18:55.413 another time. But yeah, it's a good comparisons with the 0:18:55.453 --> 0:19:00.493 IPL That doesn't happen, does it. So it's yeah, I 0:19:00.533 --> 0:19:04.413 guess a complex scenario, probably with the numbers et cetera 0:19:04.453 --> 0:19:07.613 and the fatigue element, or whether they felt they needed 0:19:07.613 --> 0:19:12.453 to break after after Sri Lanka. But yes, they've chosen 0:19:12.493 --> 0:19:15.013 what they have and I just go back now in 0:19:15.133 --> 0:19:16.013 straight back into it. 0:19:17.013 --> 0:19:18.533 Well, I don't know what. 0:19:21.573 --> 0:19:24.293 Well they went to lad to a great annoyed a first, 0:19:24.293 --> 0:19:27.933 didn't they. So they went about I don't know, the 0:19:27.973 --> 0:19:32.613 seventh of September, so they had you know, a few 0:19:32.693 --> 0:19:36.773 days probably ten days there first and then a couple 0:19:36.813 --> 0:19:40.293 of weeks, so it was it was getting on for 0:19:40.373 --> 0:19:42.653 a month away, was it. I don't look, I don't know, 0:19:43.973 --> 0:19:45.613 And if they had stayed it would have been I 0:19:45.613 --> 0:19:48.173 guess another two weeks and then three tests. More so 0:19:48.213 --> 0:19:49.853 that would have been a couple of months at least, 0:19:51.133 --> 0:19:55.413 I would have sort I don't know, certainly, the IPL 0:19:55.533 --> 0:19:57.893 is about to change dramatically, isn't it. As we all know, 0:19:59.293 --> 0:20:02.453 you cannot thou shalt thou shalt not leave. 0:20:03.813 --> 0:20:06.653 No, that's going to be one of them. And I 0:20:06.693 --> 0:20:08.613 just want to get your take on the eye pl 0:20:08.653 --> 0:20:11.733 issue that Jerry was talking about. All is Yeah, they're 0:20:11.773 --> 0:20:15.853 going to be punished if they leave ahead of their contract, 0:20:16.253 --> 0:20:19.413 but they're now going to get a boost and earnings 0:20:19.533 --> 0:20:24.493 a match fee of what is equivalent of about thirteen thousand, 0:20:24.693 --> 0:20:27.933 nine hundred nearly fourteen thousand New Zealand dollars for every 0:20:28.053 --> 0:20:31.613 game you play on top of your contract. I mean, 0:20:32.333 --> 0:20:34.813 everybody's going to go there, aren't they if they can. 0:20:36.053 --> 0:20:40.733 It makes me wish I'd spend more time than nets. 0:20:41.173 --> 0:20:43.693 Yeah, that's amazing, I thought, Jura Bowler. 0:20:45.973 --> 0:20:47.053 I'll do anything for that. 0:20:47.293 --> 0:20:53.133 No, it's incredible dough and I wondered, though I wasn't 0:20:53.213 --> 0:20:55.773 quite clear on that whether that will come out eventually, 0:20:55.813 --> 0:20:58.773 come out of the auction prices, or whether that will 0:20:58.813 --> 0:21:02.013 balance out eventually as a as a quid pro quo 0:21:02.293 --> 0:21:03.453