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Speaker 6: Hello. A week off for the black Cats, just in

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Speaker 6: time for Tim Suley's ragin as Black Cats skipper to

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Speaker 6: come to an abrupt end. Little change to the team

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Speaker 6: hitting for India, the White Ferns get back to winning

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Speaker 6: form and a financial boost for IPL contracted players. They'll

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Speaker 6: be looking forward to that. Channa's must be tough in

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Speaker 6: the Indian Premier League. And Orderson's joining us this morning

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Speaker 6: and he said he'd only a peer if we incorporated

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Speaker 6: the no reverse sweep policy. Well, no reverse weeps here orders,

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Speaker 6: so we're true. We world look.

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Speaker 4: On police to hear it. Brian, It's it's really quite

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Speaker 4: I guess reassuring.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, because there's there's probably too many reverse sweeps out

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Speaker 7: there these days. But maybe I'm being too conservative. Maybe

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Speaker 7: I need to change my way of thinking. But yeah,

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Speaker 7: I'll just I'll just go I'll just go for a

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Speaker 7: clasic clasic cat shot instead.

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Speaker 6: We're traditionalists at heart, really, aren't we. It's a lucrative

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Speaker 6: form of runs, quite clearly, but it's also costly. Tom

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Speaker 6: Blundell three times in the lan contests, and you know

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Speaker 6: it's a matter of judgment when you're played, I guess, isn't.

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Speaker 7: It It is indeed, Yeah, yeah, I mean these guys

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Speaker 7: are practicing it all the time, so whereas I haven't

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Speaker 6: Well, we've been searching high lay for Jeremy Coney. He's

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Speaker 6: on his way. He'll be with us in just a moment.

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Speaker 6: But after two embarrassing losses, after two embarrassing losses in

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Speaker 6: Sri Lanka, Tim Sowley fell on his sword, a decision

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Speaker 6: that came as little surprise.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, obviously a tough one, but like I've done for

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Speaker 8: the last last seventeen years, is the best interest of

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Speaker 8: the team, a team that I keep deeply about, so yeah,

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Speaker 8: moving forward, it's it's the best decision for the team.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Well, we did discussions, was Gary, like we do at

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Speaker 8: every series, and it was by decision to to move

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Speaker 8: aside and it's now Tim's time to I guess, keep

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Speaker 8: moving this team forward and got sixteen menses to look

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Speaker 8: forward to and the anamos side about that as far

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Speaker 8: as I'm concerned, And yeah, I love Test cricket. It's

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Speaker 8: a game I care deeply about and I love playing

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Speaker 8: so so yeah, it'll be nice to be part of

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Speaker 6: He had to do it. Really, the team was not

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Speaker 6: making any progress and the quality of the cricket was

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Speaker 6: not the greatest. From listening to Zealand side, because there's

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Speaker 6: some very good cricketers in that team.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think they'll be disappointed with that tour of

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Speaker 7: I think that if you're looking in the context of

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Speaker 7: I mean, two tests in Gaul I mean, really, they

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Speaker 4: And I think Tim he's made the right call.

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Speaker 7: Mean, whether he could be selected as one of the

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Speaker 4: And given the summer that Matt Henry had, I think,

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Speaker 7: Twenty three wickets at sixteen point nine five, I oh,

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's a it's a bit of a changing

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Speaker 6: Tom Latham's got the job, but who else could could

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Speaker 7: I think Tom Latham's logical choice. You've got at less

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Speaker 7: And the seam I do hope that, you know, not

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Speaker 7: He'syaland Test captain and just I guess, trying to take

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Speaker 6: Yeah, news flash, Orders, Jeremy Coney stood on his stumps

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Speaker 6: We've just been talking about the choice of captain and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, high lads, simer bit late.

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Speaker 9: I think a captain, first of all, must be able

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Speaker 3: He's in all ways.

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Speaker 9: And that's why it was a little bit odd when

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Speaker 9: of didn't sound quite right to me. Look, I didn't

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Speaker 9: Feel the same way. It wasn't anything to do with

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Speaker 7: Side, No, not at all. I thought it was more

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Speaker 9: Know, he might have got some ends wrong for bowlers

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Speaker 3: But every captain's captain's guilty of that.

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Speaker 9: And you know that's a case of discussing with bowlers,

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Speaker 9: And even Tom Lathon himself said he'd have done much

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Speaker 3: One hundred and thirty and one hundred.

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Speaker 9: He could have practiced anywhere he wanted. This is James Anderson,

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Speaker 9: the pressure. I mean, I know we've been through the

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Speaker 9: what's that next one going to be?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 9: The only way you can get out of that as

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Speaker 9: if you're injured. Then we had the players like Santner

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Speaker 9: obviously Will Well, you know he's outside that about Glenn

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Speaker 9: Phillips for Allen, all those people. They will be desperate

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Speaker 9: to make that group and try to get into that

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Speaker 9: IPL now, so extra pressure to on the New Zealand

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Speaker 9: you know contract system.

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Speaker 6: Interesting addition to the Black capstore. Perhaps a return from

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Speaker 6: a different point of view. He was manager in charge

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Speaker 6: of boarding, passes and team organization. Now Mike Sandal is

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Speaker 6: being employed as the team's performance manager. Now. He was

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Speaker 6: part of the administration, logistical and diplomatic Chief executive of

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Speaker 6: New Zeven Cricket got Wennick says that his skills flit

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Speaker 6: comfortably into the role. What did you make of that?

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Speaker 4: All?

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Speaker 6: Is Mike Sandal back after winning the Ranfilly Shield for

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Speaker 6: Taranaki as the chief executive, He's back in the leadership

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Speaker 6: role of the Black A.

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Speaker 7: Well, I've got a lot of time for Mike Sander.

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Speaker 7: I think he's got a bit of the Midas touch

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Speaker 7: there as well. And whether you know that role is

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Speaker 7: just I know it's talking about performance, et cetera. But

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Speaker 7: he does have the ear of a number of those

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Speaker 7: players and as an enormous respect, I suppose the man

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Speaker 7: of Mike Sandal in that team environment is pretty big.

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Speaker 7: And I mean he's gone on head is to say,

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Speaker 7: success with Taranhaki with the NPC, but also the run

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Speaker 7: for the ship for the Shield. I just think that

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Speaker 7: he will offer, I guess a a wise counsel in

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Speaker 7: some regard for some of those players, given when they're

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Speaker 7: on tours so regularly. I'm intrigued he's gone back to it,

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Speaker 7: just to be perfectly frank, I thought that his days

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Speaker 7: would have been done and dusted in that role, so

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Speaker 7: much travel overseas, et cetera, that he might have decided

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Speaker 7: that enough was enough. And that's probably why we went

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Speaker 7: to Tanhaki originally. But he's obviously keen to get back

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Speaker 7: into it and they're gonna they're gonna welcome him with

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Speaker 7: with open arms. But yeah, it's so wider position rather

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Speaker 7: than just the standard manager portfolio.

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Speaker 6: Just before you leave us all us hurrah hurrah that

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Speaker 6: we're having a real happy time because the White fans

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Speaker 6: that all win. They broke a ten game losing streak

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Speaker 6: to beat India and it was a bloody good performance.

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Speaker 6: But I'd have to say, because India is not an

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Speaker 6: easy side.

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Speaker 7: To beat, well, that's right, I know around nz in

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Speaker 7: metowers here dancing in the streets. It's probably the most

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Speaker 7: significant win I think since they beat maybe England in

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Speaker 7: that bronze middle match of the Comnwealth Games. It's a

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Speaker 7: couple of years ago. But you're convincing and all of

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Speaker 7: a sudden, you know, they just look outstanding against what's

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Speaker 7: a pretty formidable Indian side these days. In your Sophie

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Speaker 7: divine stepping up, but you also had others delivering them

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Speaker 7: In the bowling attack can bin well together in rosemany

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Speaker 7: me getting four wickets for starters. I think Eden Cars

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Speaker 7: and a couple as well. You always have the services

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Speaker 7: of immediate cur to stabilize things. But Georgia Plumber doing

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Speaker 7: well opening the betting too, so I thought good on

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Speaker 7: them for making a statement in that opening win and

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Speaker 7: long mate continue from hearing with the Australia coming up

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Speaker 7: will be the true benchmark.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it shocked you into reality journey, didn't it.

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Speaker 3: I even't sent you a text.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I know, and I'd love to have seen all

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Speaker 9: those people dancing at nz ME. But look, yeah, of

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Speaker 9: course it was fantastic for their confidence start of the tournament.

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Speaker 9: Perhaps court rather like New Zealand against Afghanistan the first

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Speaker 9: game in the t twenties, wasn't it really? In the

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Speaker 9: World Cup, India looked just a bit short of a gallop.

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Speaker 9: Did you see the catch as they dropped you know,

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Speaker 9: and some of the things. So New Zealand. New Zealand

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Speaker 9: prospered because of that, and I don't think they'll get

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Speaker 9: that help from Australia. But it throws a lot of

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Speaker 9: jeopardy on India.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't it. Now. I know they've beaten Pakistan.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so it's suddenly become quite an interesting group that

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Speaker 9: Pakistan spinners aren't going to be.

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Speaker 3: Easy for New Zealand.

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Speaker 9: If you've had a look at that, fellas, that'll be

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Speaker 9: interesting against New Zealand. They've got loads of them.

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Speaker 3: Ikbar.

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Speaker 9: There's a couple of left arm orthodoxes, two off break

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Speaker 9: bowlers as a leg break bowler, so they could bowl

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Speaker 9: between fifteen and twenty overs of spin. That won't quite

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Speaker 9: suit the New Zealand as quite so much. But anyway,

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Speaker 9: that's in the future. It's early days.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. The grounds over there, of course, are conducive to

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Speaker 6: spin the longer they play on the decks over there.

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Speaker 6: I'd just like to fish off this morning with one

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Speaker 6: important fact you may or may not have caught up with.

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Speaker 6: In the world of T twenty domestic cricket, the Garden

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Speaker 6: Route Badgers won a six wicket win over the Tuskers

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Speaker 6: in the domestic game and because of that win, they're

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Speaker 6: now preparing for a match with the Limpopo im Parlors.

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Speaker 6: So that's the latest news on Tea twotty Cricket. And

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Speaker 6: I'm sure we needed and there was no special match

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Speaker 6: fee for anybody.

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Speaker 4: Well, I hope not.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm thinking people tuning into the On the Front

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Speaker 7: Foot podcast. They're really getting the in depth drilling down

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Speaker 7: into the.

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Speaker 4: Minutia of the cricket world with the Garden Root Badgers.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I Reckon, Rude climb Past and David Asenboro. They

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Speaker 9: will be the commentators or the umpires for sure, bound

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Speaker 9: to be.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for joining us all as I know you've got

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Speaker 6: plenty of work going on, will be continuing through the

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Speaker 6: Indian series and hopefully you'll be able to join us

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Speaker 6: at some stage to review the one of the test

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Speaker 6: matches that they play in India and hopefully it's good

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Speaker 6: news that we are talking about at that time.

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Speaker 7: No, probably all the base and then yeah, look forward

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Speaker 7: to it. Brian, all right, cheers, O, all right, put them,

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Speaker 7: don't put a bulletin together.

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Speaker 4: I will do up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Check out the Garden Root Badges of what they're up to.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you've got to put that result through.

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Speaker 4: That's brilliant, all right, elders.

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Speaker 6: Cheers, guys, cheers, all right, get yourself ready for the

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Speaker 6: rest of the world Team Preview Championship for the women,

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Speaker 6: and of course the Test cheams coming up will probably

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Speaker 6: have a preview of a mixture a game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be good, look forward to that, all right.

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